A couple points: first, though triggering might be a good idea, that's not what this video is about... it's about cleaning up shell resonance, which is a result of internal kick mics in general; it would happen without much regard to mic choice.
Also, the "fat" quality of the kick is more a matter of fundamental pitch, which I am not touching here... probably best to adjust that when the bass is in the mix with lower eq bands or outside mics.
To all of you that think the kick is week it's because the bass track is not on. When the bass track is playing with the kick you will have the punch of both together. A kick that has too much low end gets in the way of the bass track. I see it so many times the green engineer or sound guy will reach for the low end on the kick and boost the heck out of it and have all muddy crap and no definition of the kick. And they can't figure out why they can't get enough kick in the mix.
I do agree with harmonics, but the extra equing removed the natural sound of the drum.. It sounded more like a cheap ass casio keyboard i can buy for 50 bucks..
Its spot on on cutting is better then boosting, will sound more natura.Will souund cleaner with less mud. Just add some more volume! Do you suggest taking the ringn out of all intruments? I tend to find them on my bass guitar as well?
I am curious about Digital Performer as a DAW. I really liked how you inserted the different bands of EQ. Is that possible on PT? If so, do you know what version?
@JaySchway I should have known better than to ask if that was possible on PT. Obviously there are tons of different EQ plugins for each DAW. I feel like an idiot. But am still semi interested in Digital Performer. Thanks!
no such thing as the perfect kick drum :P and you can EQ kick drums to sound fat and huge, doesn't always make it sound thin, just depends how you use the EQ.
Just wanted to clarify... I am not suggesting that the D112 is the best kick mic; there are many good choices, and in some cases it works very well. However, the shell reflections that I attempt to eliminate have little to do with the microphone choice; they are an acoustical phenomenon that occurs inside the drum. Putting a mic inside a drum shell is by nature an unnatural thing (nobody would put their ear there) but we gain isolation by doing so. We then need to manage the side-effects.
In general, gating the kick is something to do after you eq and process, since the effects might change the level. I would definitely gate before compression, however, since compression will raise the noise floor.
In this case, there is no compression on this track; we were focusing on the tone color first. That doesn't mean compression is not a good idea, it just comes later...
i would add a bit more low end, and a little bit of compressor/gate, that way the sound being short, it won't fight with the bass guitar. MY OPINION. I'm not arguing.
Generally the narrow notch filter technique is more suitable for drums, since they have a fixed pitch; with a guitar, the tonal problems will probably move around depending on the notes. I would probably use a more wideband approach to shape the sound in that case.
Also, a mic in front of the drum is very helpful to adding fullness, since the inside mic picks up mostly batter head sound. In a future video I will discuss blending these two sounds.
In the case of jazz kick drums, that outside mic usually is all that is needed, since the role of the drum is so much different in that type of playing, and the volume of the kit is typically lower.
Thanks for your comments everybody. In the long run, it is very important to balance the "puffy" sound of a kick with the rest of the kit mics. The sound in this video is the kick mic only, and when the full mix is up, I suggest making additional adjustments if necessary.
In general, I tend to like a "clean" sound and the reduction of mic artifacts does this for me. If you want a puffier sound, reduce the depth of any upper-bass cuts until you find the sound you want.
@Fun4est he focused on the kick drum. the track in the vid was heard from the kick drum mic, which means the rest of the drum hits have been recorded separately.
@TheDestinationSound I'll have to try that! I dont care for 112s or beta 52s on the kick much. I side with the D6 usually and the 421s on the toms... sometimes a 112 on the floor tom.
@patriciasmokes depends on where it sits in the mix. You can have some ugly-ish solo'd instruments but have it blend nicely with all the other elements.
it doesn't sound thin. what he took out are not fundamental frequencies of the kick sound, it was just excess in order to get a clean kick sound. after that you can gate it in order to remove the snare that bleeds in the track and you can boost some of the fundamental frequencies that do define the kick sound, of course in the context of the entire song. adding the right kind of compression will definitely make that kick to sound fat and big.
@patriciasmokes Depends on genre and the other instruments. I like having that papery flop on organic rock tracks, and also keep a bit of the boxiness. This is however a very nice instruction on what to listen for in a kick.
Seems like you and 22 others need to EQ about a thousand more kicks to realize that this is a *GOOD* sounding kick. Most rock drums are relatively thin anyways. Mostly 'click' instead of 'boom'. Trust me... Metal kicks are the thinnest of all. The humorous reference being 'the nail in the paddle'... lol
What sounds good and what doesn't is what everyone needs to decide for themselves. However, it's undeniable that the kick does sound thin and most people try to EQ kicks in a way that gives them more of that "boom" and thump
You must not mix for a living. What sounds good solo'd doesn't mean it sounds good *in the mix*. What sounds good in the mix will oftentimes sound weak or dull alone. Especially drums/electric guitars. Everybody has all the lows hyped to get that "wall o' sound" and they don't realize they're weakening the guitars in the context of the mix. The guitar solo on Layla was recorded on a .5watt amplifier with a ~3" speaker.
@jrhager84 And when the bass track is on the fulness will be there anyway. A kick that is to low end heavy gets in the way of the bass and makes it all sound muddy. the kick on most commercial recordings are not all that low it's the bass with the kick that punches.
@patriciasmokes It sounds thin alone but it will stick out in a mix instead of clouding the other instruments. Also I think the audio and video was recorded with a camera so you couldn't hear the actual sound of the kick.
@patriciasmokes Hmm...sounds like it's totally cleaned up to me by his EQ-ing. Thin is subjective. And you'd be surprised how thin certain things need to sound "solo" so that they fit in a mix. You also have to remember that you are listening to a completely dry, non-mastered recording other than the EQ. It's clear this guy is good at what he does.
This is fairly useful. I do try to shelve nasty frequencies down alot, but to know that there are actual known frequencies that most producers have to deal with on a daily basis is nice. Now I got some ground rules to use when mixing bass kicks. :)
Great stuff! I've done sweeps for "problem areas" before, but I sort of listened more generally without knowing what specific problem I was looking for going in. This clarifies a lot, great explanation.
Thanks very much for taking the time to make this video! I was delighted to watch this and discover this is exactly what I do with kick drums, so that's very reassuring! I normally find any nasty resonant frequencies and notch filter them out, then address the general midrange boxiness of the kick. The flappy, papery beater was new to me though, so thanks!
Sometimes I find that some mics (eg the Sennheiser e602) already go some way to giving you a 'ready made', scooped, rock kick drum sound.
1. Ear buds and headphones present problems with stereo image, since there is no crosstalk between ears; Also, sounds from in front (like speakers) do not go straight into the ear canal like headphones.
2. Bass response of rooms is very uneven depending on size and acoustic treatment; best to try your mixes in a variety of rooms/speakers to minimize those effects.
3. Try getting used to your speakers by playing familiar and well-mixed material.
Thanks for the comments. In a mix, you might do well to gate the kick, but when shaping the tone, the snare leakage into the kick mic actually helps locate shell resonance problems... The snare will often trigger the same pitches as the kick inside the shell. Once the kick is cleaned up, it will be easier to gate it anyway.
that ringing sound was SOOO obvious once u got rid of it xD thank you so much for demonstrating. by far the best kick eq example ive seen on youtube! great work keep it up =)
With practice, you can begin to hear these pitched problems.... sometimes I have had to listen very hard. My workstation always has a keyboard active, so I search around by ear. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your comment. While I agree that mic selection and position is very important, that is not what this video is about.
Also, Internal mics on kicks will often exhibit these tonal problems no matter what mic or position is used.
Often, we are confronted with less-than-ideal tracks, and re-recording them is not always practical. This video is about making those tracks better, rather than how to start with a "perfect" track.
BTW, nice philosophical "kicker" at the end... well done!
EQ'd track sounds distant, hollow, and totally lacks any personality. Just like modern drum sounds in general! Wheee!
Word to the wise: if the tracking engineer had chosen a different (less boxy and clicky) mic, and put it in a different (less papery and muddy) position, this kind of hacking with an eq would be unnecessary, and it would sound 100x tighter with more punch with no processing.
Get it right from the start; it ain't easy, but nothing worth doing ever is.
I don't know of any engineer that would demand that a tracking engineer fly/drive in the drummer to reset and retrack a 'boxy' kick drum mic... If the mic sound was *that* bad, they'd just layer samples in there that match the fundamental tones, and scoop all the mud outta the source track. Practicality goes a loooooong way in this business. Nothing is *ever* perfect, and to chase that windmill is foolish, to me at least.
i actually have a problem that my bass drum seems to be too much around 90 - 110 htz. it makes a rattle type sound in speakers like its to heavy but when I try to get it down I pretty much take the "punch" out. now it would help if i took out around 1 -2 k like u just did, it would take the "boxy" out and allow room for maybe a hidden punch.
Generally, I think the narrow notches used here are more appropriate for acoustic drums due to issues in the miking process. Certainly if there are narrow-band resonances in the samples, this approach will help. However, synthesized sounds would be unlikely to have these spectral problems.
Also, the approach hear is intended to have as little effect as possible on the basic sound, while with electronic sounds, we tend to want to make more noticeable changes.
Can the same principles be applied when EQ'n say Electronic drums? I know all EQ'n techniques aren't set in stone because they're different each drum sample.
@HoundSnake of course!... it can be applied to anything.....not just kicks.. but electronic kicks wont have issues with recording issues .. which is the case show in this video... but electronic kicks have problems too so depending on the quality of the kick.. you have to adjust
Had classes with Randy back in 2001-2002. This guy is a treasure trove if musical knowledge! Monster pianist too! Get within ten feet of him and you'll learn something new!
Yes, I think hearing the leakage from other drums will help identify the resonances of the air inside the drum. This leakage will be much harder to hear when the kick is gated. Also, cleaning up these shell resonances will probably make it easier to find a threshold for your gate, since the EQ will "tighten up" the fundamental and beater sounds. Thanks for watching!!
So i assume that it's easier to hear unnecessary resonances while kick drum is not gated yet ? If yes, then i should first cut some garbage, and then apply a gate on kick, am i right ?
True, a gate would isolate the kick, however, the reflections and resonances inside the shell are often easier to hear by listening to the leakage from the snare and other drums.... since it is the air inside the drum that is resonating and causing these sounds, I also like to listen to that leakage. This helps distinguish frequencies emanating from the kick head from those generated by shell resonance.
Thanks for the kind words everyone! It is true that removing unnecessary resonance will leave more room for bass and other instruments... generally the "garbage" in the kick will use up valuable space in the mix as well as sounding "boxy." Also, the EQ in Trackplug 5 that I am using could be replaced with any EQ that allows for very narrow cuts; the brand of plug in is not crucial.
Awesome video!!! Thanks for the tips!
guitartricky 8 hours ago
Thanks for viewing this everyone!
A couple points: first, though triggering might be a good idea, that's not what this video is about... it's about cleaning up shell resonance, which is a result of internal kick mics in general; it would happen without much regard to mic choice.
Also, the "fat" quality of the kick is more a matter of fundamental pitch, which I am not touching here... probably best to adjust that when the bass is in the mix with lower eq bands or outside mics.
randyhoexter 1 week ago 2
To all of you that think the kick is week it's because the bass track is not on. When the bass track is playing with the kick you will have the punch of both together. A kick that has too much low end gets in the way of the bass track. I see it so many times the green engineer or sound guy will reach for the low end on the kick and boost the heck out of it and have all muddy crap and no definition of the kick. And they can't figure out why they can't get enough kick in the mix.
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Finally! Someone who gets it!
jrhager84 1 week ago
love that plugin i use it all the time on my drums its great
fdation 2 weeks ago
I do agree with harmonics, but the extra equing removed the natural sound of the drum.. It sounded more like a cheap ass casio keyboard i can buy for 50 bucks..
MrDemilord 2 weeks ago
Its spot on on cutting is better then boosting, will sound more natura.Will souund cleaner with less mud. Just add some more volume! Do you suggest taking the ringn out of all intruments? I tend to find them on my bass guitar as well?
ZOOLUism 2 weeks ago
If you produce EDM or hip hop then this video is definitely not for you.
lentejTV9 3 weeks ago 2
Get an Audix D6.
AntonioDavidPickett 3 weeks ago 2
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Try an ElectroVoice RE20 or AKG D12 (or d112) ;-)
jrhager84 1 week ago
it needs some compression
ajcblanco 3 weeks ago
I am curious about Digital Performer as a DAW. I really liked how you inserted the different bands of EQ. Is that possible on PT? If so, do you know what version?
JaySchway 3 weeks ago
@JaySchway ANY parametric eq will do this. PT has at least 3 i can think of. EQ 1, 3, and 7....
BadGrrmmr 3 weeks ago
@JaySchway
Digital Performer has a better EQ than that call Master Works PT has a similar one.
thesoundtree 2 weeks ago
@JaySchway I should have known better than to ask if that was possible on PT. Obviously there are tons of different EQ plugins for each DAW. I feel like an idiot. But am still semi interested in Digital Performer. Thanks!
JaySchway 2 weeks ago
no such thing as the perfect kick drum :P and you can EQ kick drums to sound fat and huge, doesn't always make it sound thin, just depends how you use the EQ.
Opiatezero 3 weeks ago
Happy Frequencies!
randyhoexter 3 weeks ago
This fellow is the Bob Ross of EQ.
COWZ14 3 weeks ago 3
@COWZ14 I remember Bob Ross... That guys was like the only thing I watched, I even quit Arthur just to watch that guy paint <3
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Just wanted to clarify... I am not suggesting that the D112 is the best kick mic; there are many good choices, and in some cases it works very well. However, the shell reflections that I attempt to eliminate have little to do with the microphone choice; they are an acoustical phenomenon that occurs inside the drum. Putting a mic inside a drum shell is by nature an unnatural thing (nobody would put their ear there) but we gain isolation by doing so. We then need to manage the side-effects.
randyhoexter 1 month ago
@randyhoexter
That's why I would supplement with either a tunnel, or a subkick. A good pair of 414's as room mics wouldn't hurt in a good-sounding room either! lol
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randyhoexter 1 month ago
i love your wallpaper
Rude5hift19 1 month ago
In general, gating the kick is something to do after you eq and process, since the effects might change the level. I would definitely gate before compression, however, since compression will raise the noise floor.
In this case, there is no compression on this track; we were focusing on the tone color first. That doesn't mean compression is not a good idea, it just comes later...
randyhoexter 1 month ago
Good video. Did you have compression in track FX chain during this?
dariunas 1 month ago
Engage the gate at -20 dB and you're done isolating the kick!
tranceemerson 1 month ago
You totally sound like House.
AbstractMatter 1 month ago 15
i would add a bit more low end, and a little bit of compressor/gate, that way the sound being short, it won't fight with the bass guitar. MY OPINION. I'm not arguing.
paice95 1 month ago
you also can use a Audix d6 ;)
tomstorimans 1 month ago
Generally the narrow notch filter technique is more suitable for drums, since they have a fixed pitch; with a guitar, the tonal problems will probably move around depending on the notes. I would probably use a more wideband approach to shape the sound in that case.
randyhoexter 1 month ago
is this type of EQ good for metal guitars to? I mean, the way you work with the eq?
DjAces11 1 month ago
really good!
DjAces11 1 month ago
Great. Very clear and very audible. Now that's a killer EQ for a Kick
LaurenceLloydDuff 1 month ago
You sound like House from the show House M.D. haha :)
TranceDrops 1 month ago
Also, a mic in front of the drum is very helpful to adding fullness, since the inside mic picks up mostly batter head sound. In a future video I will discuss blending these two sounds.
In the case of jazz kick drums, that outside mic usually is all that is needed, since the role of the drum is so much different in that type of playing, and the volume of the kit is typically lower.
randyhoexter 1 month ago
Thanks for your comments everybody. In the long run, it is very important to balance the "puffy" sound of a kick with the rest of the kit mics. The sound in this video is the kick mic only, and when the full mix is up, I suggest making additional adjustments if necessary.
In general, I tend to like a "clean" sound and the reduction of mic artifacts does this for me. If you want a puffier sound, reduce the depth of any upper-bass cuts until you find the sound you want.
randyhoexter 1 month ago
Sweeet ! Thanx Randy...
dipeshvsharma 1 month ago
Amazing. I wish this were a class I attended all the time!
AiguretDuren 1 month ago
great, was really helpful, keep posting.
GHOSTVAL 1 month ago
hmm so this is pretty much basic to me (yeah im bragging) but a GREAT video, shows the effectiveness of EQing!!
brand0wnsyou 1 month ago
Much more informative than a plain advice to scoop the low mids, great tutorial.
Parkinson9999 1 month ago
Took way too much away from the kit....
Fun4est 1 month ago
@Fun4est he focused on the kick drum. the track in the vid was heard from the kick drum mic, which means the rest of the drum hits have been recorded separately.
saxopwned 1 month ago
@saxopwned Yeah, you're right, I wasn't observant in noticing it was just some bleed coming from the rest of the set. My bad haha
Fun4est 1 month ago
Am I the only one who thinks that the EQ'd kick sounds very thin?
patriciasmokes 1 month ago 24
@patriciasmokes It's very thin....
Fun4est 1 month ago
@patriciasmokes your not alone =-) i tend to keep my d112 in the closet and pull out a sennheiser d421.
TheDestinationSound 1 month ago
@TheDestinationSound I'll have to try that! I dont care for 112s or beta 52s on the kick much. I side with the D6 usually and the 421s on the toms... sometimes a 112 on the floor tom.
greensleeves32 1 month ago
@patriciasmokes depends on where it sits in the mix. You can have some ugly-ish solo'd instruments but have it blend nicely with all the other elements.
JaySchway 3 weeks ago
@patriciasmokes Nope. I've done farts with more bass. Honesly, I have.
jedimaster303 2 weeks ago
@patriciasmokes,
it doesn't sound thin. what he took out are not fundamental frequencies of the kick sound, it was just excess in order to get a clean kick sound. after that you can gate it in order to remove the snare that bleeds in the track and you can boost some of the fundamental frequencies that do define the kick sound, of course in the context of the entire song. adding the right kind of compression will definitely make that kick to sound fat and big.
flotopo 2 weeks ago
@patriciasmokes Depends on genre and the other instruments. I like having that papery flop on organic rock tracks, and also keep a bit of the boxiness. This is however a very nice instruction on what to listen for in a kick.
HelgeTaksdal 1 week ago
@patriciasmokes
Seems like you and 22 others need to EQ about a thousand more kicks to realize that this is a *GOOD* sounding kick. Most rock drums are relatively thin anyways. Mostly 'click' instead of 'boom'. Trust me... Metal kicks are the thinnest of all. The humorous reference being 'the nail in the paddle'... lol
jrhager84 1 week ago
@jrhager84
What sounds good and what doesn't is what everyone needs to decide for themselves. However, it's undeniable that the kick does sound thin and most people try to EQ kicks in a way that gives them more of that "boom" and thump
patriciasmokes 1 week ago
@patriciasmokes
You must not mix for a living. What sounds good solo'd doesn't mean it sounds good *in the mix*. What sounds good in the mix will oftentimes sound weak or dull alone. Especially drums/electric guitars. Everybody has all the lows hyped to get that "wall o' sound" and they don't realize they're weakening the guitars in the context of the mix. The guitar solo on Layla was recorded on a .5watt amplifier with a ~3" speaker.
;-)
jrhager84 1 week ago
@jrhager84 And when the bass track is on the fulness will be there anyway. A kick that is to low end heavy gets in the way of the bass and makes it all sound muddy. the kick on most commercial recordings are not all that low it's the bass with the kick that punches.
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@patriciasmokes It sounds thin alone but it will stick out in a mix instead of clouding the other instruments. Also I think the audio and video was recorded with a camera so you couldn't hear the actual sound of the kick.
ToxiKraft 6 days ago
@patriciasmokes Hmm...sounds like it's totally cleaned up to me by his EQ-ing. Thin is subjective. And you'd be surprised how thin certain things need to sound "solo" so that they fit in a mix. You also have to remember that you are listening to a completely dry, non-mastered recording other than the EQ. It's clear this guy is good at what he does.
guitartricky 8 hours ago
Very Good Information ! Thanks
Voiceofthegreens 1 month ago
Randy, this is really a great video on the strengths of notching on a parametric eq. Thank you!
Tadarth 2 months ago
I am truly humbled by this. I'm trying so hard to get my head around mixing for over a year now. This is great.
itowedin 2 months ago
learned more from this video about eq than i have from everything else this year
sine0 2 months ago
very nice :-)
Elnufo 2 months ago
Awesome vid!
Perhaps a video on compressing the kick? It's getting lost in my mix :/
moledude777 2 months ago
This is fairly useful. I do try to shelve nasty frequencies down alot, but to know that there are actual known frequencies that most producers have to deal with on a daily basis is nice. Now I got some ground rules to use when mixing bass kicks. :)
GoodFortuneOfficial 2 months ago
Thank you so much! I don't remember seeing a vid this usefull on youtube...
TheLapchannel 2 months ago
This is a great video, I'll be trying out this style of bass drum EQ in coming up sessions!
LukeSnyderMusic 2 months ago
Excellent vid,thanks for posting.
MrPablobass 2 months ago
Great stuff! I've done sweeps for "problem areas" before, but I sort of listened more generally without knowing what specific problem I was looking for going in. This clarifies a lot, great explanation.
NeutralNewt 3 months ago
Great EQ'ing technic.
tinashemasey 3 months ago
Thanks very much for taking the time to make this video! I was delighted to watch this and discover this is exactly what I do with kick drums, so that's very reassuring! I normally find any nasty resonant frequencies and notch filter them out, then address the general midrange boxiness of the kick. The flappy, papery beater was new to me though, so thanks!
Sometimes I find that some mics (eg the Sennheiser e602) already go some way to giving you a 'ready made', scooped, rock kick drum sound.
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SuperMegaUberGenius 3 months ago
As far as monitoring, I have a few ideas:
1. Ear buds and headphones present problems with stereo image, since there is no crosstalk between ears; Also, sounds from in front (like speakers) do not go straight into the ear canal like headphones.
2. Bass response of rooms is very uneven depending on size and acoustic treatment; best to try your mixes in a variety of rooms/speakers to minimize those effects.
3. Try getting used to your speakers by playing familiar and well-mixed material.
randyhoexter 3 months ago
genius. thank you
FUTTAHSIKK 3 months ago
Most excellent explanation. Any best practices for monitors? I often mix with ear buds but then the tracks sound totally imbalanced in the car!
arlo4823 3 months ago
Absolutely fantastic, I'd love to see more videos from you! Subbed and shared with my classmates too, awesome.
JamesTransgression 3 months ago
Very well done and informative. Bravo!!!!!
hillsmith 3 months ago
Thanks for the comments. In a mix, you might do well to gate the kick, but when shaping the tone, the snare leakage into the kick mic actually helps locate shell resonance problems... The snare will often trigger the same pitches as the kick inside the shell. Once the kick is cleaned up, it will be easier to gate it anyway.
Hope that helps!
randyhoexter 3 months ago
that ringing sound was SOOO obvious once u got rid of it xD thank you so much for demonstrating. by far the best kick eq example ive seen on youtube! great work keep it up =)
DjCyaneyed 3 months ago
Wouldn't you gate the track to get rid of the snare?
mrcoffeekiller 3 months ago
With practice, you can begin to hear these pitched problems.... sometimes I have had to listen very hard. My workstation always has a keyboard active, so I search around by ear. Thanks for watching!
randyhoexter 3 months ago
I had to sweep in order to find that frequency!! how did you know what it was before you sweeped????
shortbusheros4 3 months ago
picking out the ringing frequency like that was really impressive
jswaymusic 3 months ago
Thanks for your comment. While I agree that mic selection and position is very important, that is not what this video is about.
Also, Internal mics on kicks will often exhibit these tonal problems no matter what mic or position is used.
Often, we are confronted with less-than-ideal tracks, and re-recording them is not always practical. This video is about making those tracks better, rather than how to start with a "perfect" track.
BTW, nice philosophical "kicker" at the end... well done!
randyhoexter 3 months ago
EQ'd track sounds distant, hollow, and totally lacks any personality. Just like modern drum sounds in general! Wheee!
Word to the wise: if the tracking engineer had chosen a different (less boxy and clicky) mic, and put it in a different (less papery and muddy) position, this kind of hacking with an eq would be unnecessary, and it would sound 100x tighter with more punch with no processing.
Get it right from the start; it ain't easy, but nothing worth doing ever is.
KushAudio 3 months ago
@KushAudio C'mon man. That's an awful lot of criticism. May we see a video tutorial from you on the subject?
KnightymeVideoTours 3 months ago
@KushAudio
I don't know of any engineer that would demand that a tracking engineer fly/drive in the drummer to reset and retrack a 'boxy' kick drum mic... If the mic sound was *that* bad, they'd just layer samples in there that match the fundamental tones, and scoop all the mud outta the source track. Practicality goes a loooooong way in this business. Nothing is *ever* perfect, and to chase that windmill is foolish, to me at least.
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TheLexnetwork 4 months ago
that guy just pimp slapped us
JasonFrameDungeon 4 months ago
wow just got schooled on something here. I didn't know that much trash was there untill you did the before and after.
epcdave 4 months ago
how do you hear that stuff? :O
rollingstonedstudios 4 months ago
WOW, great video!
chalanthibodeaux 4 months ago
wonderful video, randy do you have anymore i can find?
CollectiveVoice 4 months ago
Great video! Keep 'em coming!
MixLessons 4 months ago
@randyhoexter Well said.
FrankBumbershootEsq 4 months ago
i actually have a problem that my bass drum seems to be too much around 90 - 110 htz. it makes a rattle type sound in speakers like its to heavy but when I try to get it down I pretty much take the "punch" out. now it would help if i took out around 1 -2 k like u just did, it would take the "boxy" out and allow room for maybe a hidden punch.
barkerfan182 4 months ago
Wow you just made me want to go clean my ears out.
marcuelcajon 5 months ago
Generally, I think the narrow notches used here are more appropriate for acoustic drums due to issues in the miking process. Certainly if there are narrow-band resonances in the samples, this approach will help. However, synthesized sounds would be unlikely to have these spectral problems.
Also, the approach hear is intended to have as little effect as possible on the basic sound, while with electronic sounds, we tend to want to make more noticeable changes.
randyhoexter 5 months ago
Can the same principles be applied when EQ'n say Electronic drums? I know all EQ'n techniques aren't set in stone because they're different each drum sample.
HoundSnake 5 months ago
@HoundSnake of course!... it can be applied to anything.....not just kicks.. but electronic kicks wont have issues with recording issues .. which is the case show in this video... but electronic kicks have problems too so depending on the quality of the kick.. you have to adjust
KennyParkz 4 months ago
Love that film! Thanks!
bein84 5 months ago
Had classes with Randy back in 2001-2002. This guy is a treasure trove if musical knowledge! Monster pianist too! Get within ten feet of him and you'll learn something new!
Stsilascousteau 5 months ago
Thanks!
randyhoexter 5 months ago
best EQ video on youtube!
blackjono2000 5 months ago 45
@blackjono2000 yep
DJVN2009 5 months ago
Yes, I think hearing the leakage from other drums will help identify the resonances of the air inside the drum. This leakage will be much harder to hear when the kick is gated. Also, cleaning up these shell resonances will probably make it easier to find a threshold for your gate, since the EQ will "tighten up" the fundamental and beater sounds. Thanks for watching!!
randyhoexter 5 months ago
So i assume that it's easier to hear unnecessary resonances while kick drum is not gated yet ? If yes, then i should first cut some garbage, and then apply a gate on kick, am i right ?
DziemianMusic 5 months ago
Thanks! I think in general that cutting frequencies gives better results in most cases because:
1. There are often narrow-band resonances that are causing problems and lack of clarity.
2. The side-effects of boosting are much more audible.
Glad if this is helpful to you!
randyhoexter 6 months ago
That was great ! Goes to show people that always want to boost that it is wrong , if you just cut, cut, cut, you always end up with more !
Flipjunkie1 6 months ago
Helpful as hell. thank you.
mcpanth 6 months ago
@atlinstituteofmusic can we conclude that all the problems are in the mid range usually?
Thanks for amazing tutorial!
Tsvetanof 6 months ago
True, a gate would isolate the kick, however, the reflections and resonances inside the shell are often easier to hear by listening to the leakage from the snare and other drums.... since it is the air inside the drum that is resonating and causing these sounds, I also like to listen to that leakage. This helps distinguish frequencies emanating from the kick head from those generated by shell resonance.
Hope that makes sense!
randyhoexter 7 months ago
it would have been nice if you had a gate on the kick tho during this tutorial :)
snapascrew 7 months ago
keep making videos you are awesome at what you do!
snapascrew 7 months ago
Great video! Well explained. Thank you!
Dupdopy 8 months ago
Thanks for the kind words everyone! It is true that removing unnecessary resonance will leave more room for bass and other instruments... generally the "garbage" in the kick will use up valuable space in the mix as well as sounding "boxy." Also, the EQ in Trackplug 5 that I am using could be replaced with any EQ that allows for very narrow cuts; the brand of plug in is not crucial.
randyhoexter 9 months ago
You got golden ears!
wwwisidde 9 months ago 77
@wwwisidde this skill is developed :)
0VP0 5 months ago
What program is this or EQ? Is it Pro tools with some built-in stuff?
M3sslah 10 months ago
@M3sslah Forget it, heard it now in the beginning of the vid =).
M3sslah 10 months ago
i think what u did in reality is making room for the bass and the vocal that it but not bad good tutorial
TheComposer1979 10 months ago
Thank you so much!
HungryHippogriffs 10 months ago
very helpful thanks
Evilacidfunker 1 year ago
Great Vid Randy! More please!!!
Bertuosity 1 year ago