Let me respond further to the being gay is supposedly wrong because the purpose of sex is natural reproduction argument. Natural doesn't equal moral, as gay opponents have said. Thus, one could argue planned pregnancy is more favourable than unplanned. Every pregnancy a gay person is involved in, is planned. Straight pregnancies are sometimes, unplanned, unprepared for, "accidents". Will the parents and the community have the capacities necessary, especially in an overpopulated world?
@wuzzupl Marriage itself is not natural. Most animals don't even attempt the monogamy that marriage represents. Humans are odd that way. Gay people and animals who engage in same-sex sex acts have always existed. Where did it come from if not nature? No, we don't always do everything in nature. Birth control is something humans find very useful because reproduction as natural as it is, is not always a good thing. What we do with life counts more as humans.
@phatso1986 In fact homosexuality occurs in nature in many species, including in humans who are a part of nature. You're trying to assign a single ultimate moral purpose in regards to nature. Your way of thinking is similar to theism. It's extremely subjective. We use different parts of our bodies in many diverse ways to achieve so many different things. I thought about deleting your post because it contained the "f" word to refer to gay men. However, I wanted to debate the other point.
@phatso1986 I could have predicted that response, but at least you didn't repeat the offensive slur I mentioned. It's the classic bait and switch in your replies. First, claim homosexuality is not natural. When it's shown to be natural, claim natural is not moral(I never claimed natural=good or moral). Perhaps I should have been a bit more clear though. Morality is a human construct. We need to debate it on those terms. Is your issue with anal sex, because men and women do that together too?
@phatso1986 I also think what makes good parents and a good family is love, not what the parents may or may not do in the privacy of the bedroom. In contemporary Western societies we value freedom and privacy when it comes to what we do sexually. Sex has nothing to do with what makes us a good person, with equal rights, whether we are gay or straight.
so as long as two parents teach their children to study, have good hygiene, but stable with jobs/ or watever, it shouldn't matter what they do with their free time?
What if they eat feces?
What if they have sex with animals?
What if they video taope the kids showering and masturbate to it in privacy?
@phatso1986 Now here comes the usual laundry list of diversions from the topic at hand. We could go on forever with that. Let's focus. Tell me why two parents of the same sex, having sex in the privacy of their own bedrooms is wrong, or how will this specifically, negatively affect their kids.
@dexterxyz "extremely subjective" your world is so twisted... i am basing my logic strictly on the natural order... you eat you digest you shit/piss thats one order your born you have sex you make baby cycle repeats another order tell again, how this is subjective? Are these rules i created? perhaps you need to understand what a subjective arguement means
@phatso1986 No, you need to understand the difference between objective reality and the subjective. Objective reality involves everything we can observe with our senses. Since we can observe same-sex sexual behaviour, it's objective. Nature does many things. What you are talking about is a subjective moral code made by humans. We made this moral code, thus if we want to change it to accept same-sex couples as morally right, we may do that. More to come...
Further, natural laws don't need humans to defend them. Think of the law of gravity. It exists, is observed, and can't be changed. Thus, if there were a natural law against same-sex relations, these relations wouldn't exist, there would be no need to argue against them, nor to defend against them.
James 1:5-7 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Let me respond further to the being gay is supposedly wrong because the purpose of sex is natural reproduction argument. Natural doesn't equal moral, as gay opponents have said. Thus, one could argue planned pregnancy is more favourable than unplanned. Every pregnancy a gay person is involved in, is planned. Straight pregnancies are sometimes, unplanned, unprepared for, "accidents". Will the parents and the community have the capacities necessary, especially in an overpopulated world?
dexterxyz 1 month ago
instant favorite!!!
sailorsimon1 4 months ago
@callydias i thought that gay acts are unnatural, but i do accept gay marriage.
wuzzupl 5 months ago
@wuzzupl Marriage itself is not natural. Most animals don't even attempt the monogamy that marriage represents. Humans are odd that way. Gay people and animals who engage in same-sex sex acts have always existed. Where did it come from if not nature? No, we don't always do everything in nature. Birth control is something humans find very useful because reproduction as natural as it is, is not always a good thing. What we do with life counts more as humans.
TheProvocative9 5 months ago
@TheProvocative9 thanks for info! i never thought about it that way.
wuzzupl 5 months ago
@wuzzupl You're welcome! Feel free to ask if you have any questions, and I'll answer as best I can.
TheProvocative9 5 months ago
@dexterxyz how about passing a law to ban antigravity just in case? that'll show superman not to mess with the GOP!!
MamaMario13 7 months ago
uhh, what does god have to do with nature?
nature didnt make it for a faggot to take it in the ass
phatso1986 1 year ago
@phatso1986 In fact homosexuality occurs in nature in many species, including in humans who are a part of nature. You're trying to assign a single ultimate moral purpose in regards to nature. Your way of thinking is similar to theism. It's extremely subjective. We use different parts of our bodies in many diverse ways to achieve so many different things. I thought about deleting your post because it contained the "f" word to refer to gay men. However, I wanted to debate the other point.
dexterxyz 1 year ago
@dexterxyz
animals also eat their own children in nature
animals also eat shit
i guess that is ok then
phatso1986 1 year ago
@phatso1986 I could have predicted that response, but at least you didn't repeat the offensive slur I mentioned. It's the classic bait and switch in your replies. First, claim homosexuality is not natural. When it's shown to be natural, claim natural is not moral(I never claimed natural=good or moral). Perhaps I should have been a bit more clear though. Morality is a human construct. We need to debate it on those terms. Is your issue with anal sex, because men and women do that together too?
dexterxyz 1 year ago
@dexterxyz
in nature, mothers eat their kids
in nature, some animals feed on feces try another argument, your "its found in nature" doesnt cut it
as cancer is also natural
so is down syndrome
phatso1986 1 year ago
@phatso1986 I also think what makes good parents and a good family is love, not what the parents may or may not do in the privacy of the bedroom. In contemporary Western societies we value freedom and privacy when it comes to what we do sexually. Sex has nothing to do with what makes us a good person, with equal rights, whether we are gay or straight.
dexterxyz 1 year ago
@dexterxyz
so as long as two parents teach their children to study, have good hygiene, but stable with jobs/ or watever, it shouldn't matter what they do with their free time?
What if they eat feces?
What if they have sex with animals?
What if they video taope the kids showering and masturbate to it in privacy?
you privacy "logic" doesnt cut it either
phatso1986 1 year ago
@phatso1986 Now here comes the usual laundry list of diversions from the topic at hand. We could go on forever with that. Let's focus. Tell me why two parents of the same sex, having sex in the privacy of their own bedrooms is wrong, or how will this specifically, negatively affect their kids.
dexterxyz 11 months ago
phatso1986 1 year ago
@phatso1986 No, you need to understand the difference between objective reality and the subjective. Objective reality involves everything we can observe with our senses. Since we can observe same-sex sexual behaviour, it's objective. Nature does many things. What you are talking about is a subjective moral code made by humans. We made this moral code, thus if we want to change it to accept same-sex couples as morally right, we may do that. More to come...
dexterxyz 11 months ago
Further, natural laws don't need humans to defend them. Think of the law of gravity. It exists, is observed, and can't be changed. Thus, if there were a natural law against same-sex relations, these relations wouldn't exist, there would be no need to argue against them, nor to defend against them.
dexterxyz 11 months ago
@phatso1986: I welcome debate, but do not use that word again.
dexterxyz 1 year ago
@phatso1986
ya but nature didnt make it so we could live forever ethier (life support/modern medicine)
or
nature didnt intend us to fly (if we were ment to fly we would have been born with wings)
AceofDiamonds0 1 year ago
The adults are confused so how can the kids not be confused.
hineni53 1 year ago
XDD I pissed myself laughing at that. 5 stars!
MurderingCow 2 years ago
That was HILARIOUS! Comedy gold! It shows just how ridiculous the prop. 8 people were. Please make more like this.
MikuruBeamu 2 years ago 2
Yep, lots of questions there.
James 1:5-7 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
OhMyHeckles 2 years ago
"Adam and Eve: Why were they walking around naked? How barfalicious." That's something I would say.
kawaii0neko0nya 2 years ago 10
lol take away his pee-pee!!
dragonofthedarknight 2 years ago 10