person people nation all the same lenght but increasing in size...mr big bigger biggest, What i want to understand is what are you tring to force fit by cherry picking your exaples?
@TheSheepThatLookedUp The point, cited in the Holenstein book, is that many many different languages have this structural feature of signification. The signifier is not arbitrarily related to the signified but there are morphological and structural relations, in many different language, which capture this way of "extending or refining" a concept by systematic grammatical alterations. These relations between signifier & signified are therefore more motivated than arbitrary.
Those are actually sun visors on the streetlights, so the sun doesn't shine through to the lights mirror. One time, I came up on an intersection where they'd been blown off recently by a storm. I was headed eastbound at around 5 pm. Everyone going the other directions could see what color their light was, but the one I was looking at might as well have been turned off.
Awesome material. Paradoxes have always fascinated me. Thanks for the upload.
(3:17, "bigger, biggest, tallest, largest" Ok, but what about 'smallest', lol)
Fav'ed! This video shows us how deep and complicated philosophy is. It is about human thinking, which, I guess, is itself complicated. It is concerned most of all with abstractions. As long as we use it correctly, and always keep in mind what cognitive sciences tell us.
this discussion is interesting in relation to creating & maintaining class distinctions. those attempting to present themselves as part of another class would dwell largely in the iconic, correct?
@dowdfather Good call. Strategists of all sorts, within any already functioning system, will need to "cloak" their doing in appearances to give the semblance of ....(X).
Although many class indicators are somewhat arbitrary from the perspective of another cultural value system, from within a given cultural system iconic values/signs are highly "motivated." They are crucial for memesis.
I wish you would apply this analysis to the question you ask of christianity....the "can you forgive god" question mixes the indexical (historicity of the god concept within the Hebraic tradition) with its evolution to the iconic (the resemblance to, but transitioning) to the symbolic viability of "god". The referent "God" and it's concept have expanded and is open to a creativity such that Christ could say "I desire mercy, not sacrifice"., a central paradox of a divine/human relationship.
A very interesting and informative video. One comment, however, for the sake of specificity: in forensic science there is Direct evidence (such as eye-witness accounts) and (for the lack . . .) Indirect evidence. The latter is 1) Physical evidence (contiguity) whose indexicality you pointed out, and 2) Circumstantial evidence (analogy or isomorphism), whose iconicity the criminal attempts to alter, as you also pointed out.
A good review of semiotics is a good idea. I've just finished Umberto Eco's latest novel, "The Prague Cemetery" and it is a Chinese box of this kind of paradox,and there are a number of reasons that it does not work in Eco's hands.
I went off on this in Cultoftheamateur's comment section and I will stop myself from doing the same thing here, but to me it's fascinating...Probably ONLY to me though :)
Can a red shirt get stained by ketchup?
Yamikaiba123 2 months ago
person people nation all the same lenght but increasing in size...mr big bigger biggest, What i want to understand is what are you tring to force fit by cherry picking your exaples?
TheSheepThatLookedUp 2 months ago
@TheSheepThatLookedUp The point, cited in the Holenstein book, is that many many different languages have this structural feature of signification. The signifier is not arbitrarily related to the signified but there are morphological and structural relations, in many different language, which capture this way of "extending or refining" a concept by systematic grammatical alterations. These relations between signifier & signified are therefore more motivated than arbitrary.
Professoranton 2 months ago
Those are actually sun visors on the streetlights, so the sun doesn't shine through to the lights mirror. One time, I came up on an intersection where they'd been blown off recently by a storm. I was headed eastbound at around 5 pm. Everyone going the other directions could see what color their light was, but the one I was looking at might as well have been turned off.
Awesome material. Paradoxes have always fascinated me. Thanks for the upload.
MultiPaulinator 2 months ago
(3:17, "bigger, biggest, tallest, largest" Ok, but what about 'smallest', lol)
Fav'ed! This video shows us how deep and complicated philosophy is. It is about human thinking, which, I guess, is itself complicated. It is concerned most of all with abstractions. As long as we use it correctly, and always keep in mind what cognitive sciences tell us.
dewinthemorning 2 months ago
Factical contiguity.
Robinsonero 2 months ago
this discussion is interesting in relation to creating & maintaining class distinctions. those attempting to present themselves as part of another class would dwell largely in the iconic, correct?
dowdfather 2 months ago
@dowdfather Good call. Strategists of all sorts, within any already functioning system, will need to "cloak" their doing in appearances to give the semblance of ....(X).
Although many class indicators are somewhat arbitrary from the perspective of another cultural value system, from within a given cultural system iconic values/signs are highly "motivated." They are crucial for memesis.
Professoranton 2 months ago
I wish you would apply this analysis to the question you ask of christianity....the "can you forgive god" question mixes the indexical (historicity of the god concept within the Hebraic tradition) with its evolution to the iconic (the resemblance to, but transitioning) to the symbolic viability of "god". The referent "God" and it's concept have expanded and is open to a creativity such that Christ could say "I desire mercy, not sacrifice"., a central paradox of a divine/human relationship.
9macrina9 2 months ago
Interesting, I didn't know these terminologies.
treegraph 2 months ago
A very interesting and informative video. One comment, however, for the sake of specificity: in forensic science there is Direct evidence (such as eye-witness accounts) and (for the lack . . .) Indirect evidence. The latter is 1) Physical evidence (contiguity) whose indexicality you pointed out, and 2) Circumstantial evidence (analogy or isomorphism), whose iconicity the criminal attempts to alter, as you also pointed out.
ProfessorHansen 2 months ago
A good review of semiotics is a good idea. I've just finished Umberto Eco's latest novel, "The Prague Cemetery" and it is a Chinese box of this kind of paradox,and there are a number of reasons that it does not work in Eco's hands.
I went off on this in Cultoftheamateur's comment section and I will stop myself from doing the same thing here, but to me it's fascinating...Probably ONLY to me though :)
2bsirius 2 months ago
you don't not rock, dude.
TWITfromURANUS 2 months ago