IPL Team Arena Challenge Grand Finals g4

[masterprivate118]

Oooh 30 mins~

This is it!

[drmario110]

terran op

[tomatojizzz]

@drmario110 im sorry but did you happen to watch like um lets see the last 3 games ;-P

[A7xFo]

Pink had Thorzain beat. All he had to do was deny his natural expo. Forcefield the ramps, and tech/expo behind the deny. He backed out, let Thorzain expo, and then it was gg.

[Jatischar]

this is depressing... so many wiffed storms... and he did not even think about Collosai? rly?

[cyber3525]

why is nobody ghostdropping?!?! this is epic, i mean every snipe is a worker kill.. why is nobody doing this

[Bence56]

@cyber3525 you cant do it against protoss, because probes are not biological units

[cyber3525]

@Bence56 right...

[SpeedChamp467]

epic game.

[Sinbad510]

Planetaries*

[Sinbad510]

So disappointing to see two useless planetariums and one spot the could of been helped with a pf...

[bnasax161969]

The protoss could have done better with a collosi switch and not losing the warp prism, but still Thorzain played a stellar game.

[elmateo12]

One of the most entertaining games I've ever seen. Thanks HD!

[Anyguy4321]

I think it's pretty much universally admitted that in the TvP matchup, Protoss has much easier micro. Force shield micro is the only interesting micro. The rest of the game is simply deathball a-move whereas the Terran constantly has to vie for positioning and concaves while HAVING to stutter step to even be competitive with the A-move deathball.

Terrans cannot lose units because their production is slower than protoss. Protoss need to micro in PvT is a joke.

[jonathanshir]

@Anyguy4321 That's ridiculous.

Fight Protoss with a concave and its GG. Protoss seek chokes and tight spots to do splash damage with colossus and HTs, so if you get a very good spread, the only thing that can stop you is FF.

[Anyguy4321]

Anyone who says terran is op is a moron. So manty toss players are dumb attack move death ballers. Terrans always have to use a ton of micro and barely beat toss players wi far inferior mechanics.

[MadBagOfHorses]

@Anyguy4321

Terran micro isn't all that different from Protoss micro, trying to say either side is more simple than the other is dumb - which includes your statement and the statement of those to whom yours is directed.

T - Stim, EMP, stutter step

P - G shield, Force field, feedback/storm, stutter stalkers once to filter zealots through.

Not much different. T's stutter step repeats, toss has to do more varied and accurate micro.

[WingedSoulies]

Nerd alert: nerd rage in comment

[WingedSoulies]

Umadbrow needs too calm down, judging by the user name, u can tell he has anger issues....

Stop bring such a nerd, so what if terran is op, learn to counter n practice

Man up grow some balls n stop whining

[sg57]

there were 3 points in this game where either could have just T'd into eachothersbase and won t.t

[arjanv45]

HD you missed the upgrades...

[meloveshalo]

oh yeah EU for the winn.

[Taunt61]

this is a testament to the opness of terran

[astmapiippu]

I think something still should be done to ghost. Just -10 hp or something little like that.

[MadBagOfHorses]

@astmapiippu

Idk, I think it is the Protoss' role in PvT to force T to constantly change his composition by switching back and forth between Colos/stalker and HT/archon/zealot. Once getting both techs up P can change composition much easier than T... when the composition has time to get momentum, though, T's counters to P's tech are really strong.

The ghost, especially... Useless against stalker/colos balls. They take a ton of micro too, comparatively. I think they're fine.

[MbDeviL]

never let thorzain macro and expand! his macro is the best in the world

[Th3Sh1n1gam1]

Oh Dang, I'm feeling a flashlike allkill, lol.

[AveragexJo]

23:00 hmmmmm

[vetiarvind]

cringes at some of the play in this game..so many advantages untaken..oh well.

[Jamesbaker123]

sooooo many mistakes by the protoss: not locking down thorzain expo at the beginning - not switching to colossus and finally missing the kill on the orbital around the 28 minute mark. Bit of a fail but so well played by thorzain to fight back.

[Zeuts85]

Omg awesome game!!

[jetsamjetsam]

u can fucking win with like tier 1 units but toss has to go tier 3

[resuemannet]

@jetsamjetsam When did ghosts and medivacs become tier 1?

[JMRolf1]

Fuck all these haters HD broodwar is way better than this game please cast more

[morradi10000]

brilliant game

[Shock777423]

Terran OP!



[MonsterMo44]

great tvp yo. great cast HD

[MonsterMo44]

toss should have contained thorzain to 1 base and stole a 3rd. he had the game with that contain. it was just bad decision making.

[70chaoswalking07]

Please stick to SC2 hd.

[iTziLLUMY]

He had the game. Didn't know why he backed off!

[ic3heart]

When you have the advantage, exploit it and make it bigger!

[Comp1337e]

Stupid that toss didn't push when he had the chance.

[TheFantasy303]

begining, thorzain is going to win, Seed goes in, Seed is going to win,

Later on ................... Thoezain wins

[Dewoy1]

ghosts op



[MrBlueSkink]

lol ghosts requirement is gas.... 200 mins 100 gas

[MrBlueSkink]

As fun as balance is to discuss... it isnt, great casting thank you HD

[Dreez76]

Seed was an idiot for pulling back from Thorazin's base like that...

[Bububaps]

@Dreez76 Yeah! That's why you're pro and he is not, with you telling how it should have been played, amirite? Idiot.

[Dreez76]

Terran Ghosts needs a huge nerf to their EMP. Its the demise of Protos and a cheap i-win button.

[DrPooMonster]

@Novakane2112 Haha correct

[DrPooMonster]

@umadbrow ur a bitch terran Is not op in fact I think from all the Terran nerfs and Protoss buffs that the game is definitely balanced

[DaBroob]

wow, rly, thorzain is a fkin BAWSS, he's really got my respect. wow.

[CAL1FORNIASUPERSTAR]

yea moar broodwar asap...and thorzain is a beast once again...damn

[nerdra1]

ThorZain is a boss, killing off these noooooobs.

[nerdra1]

@umadbrow

umadbrow?

[hesbatting1000]

I wonder if Protoss should have targeted all the Medivacs first.

[latinos986]

SEED U Y NOT MAKE COLOS!

[umadbrow]

Why is terran so retardedly OP? All terran players are babies who dont have a brain so

they rely on the OPness of terran

Why is terran so retardedly op? Even a dolphin can become a top esport contender while using terran

Why are ghosts so retardedly imbalanced? Terran players need to get hanged from the highest bridge

for not admitting the OPness of their race

[tripa4711]

Awsome vid :) very close game

[ShanKenDoRin]

Anti-spoiler please -.-

[beerizzl3]

lol @ the amount of the word "storm" used in this cast. xD

[nandrexdura]

wow....what a game,..great

[DwightkSchrute101]

hmmm...terran has alot of ghosts....i should build....ARCHONS!!:D

[Novakane2112]

Lemme guess....now people are gonna bitch "OMG TERRAN OP"

[cryteeek]

Seed fucking noob

[HappySack2]

@LukkieUCLA You could stop being a dick and not watch any BW games if you're so against it.

[exoduzexoduzexoduz]

@LukkieUCLA stfu !

[hellfirepaladin]

@exoduzexoduzexoduz i understand brood wars mechanics and difficulty level were alot more skill intensive but why do you personally want to see more BW games? I prefer the newer games personally because I enjoy these units and the way this game is developing. Why do you want to see more BW games? is it the units, the play style? please explain :D. Its harder for me cause I only played a lil BW and i found SC2 to be more fun.

[pr1m4t3]

@LukkieUCLA why?

[JMRolf1]

@LukkieUCLA NOOOOOOOOOOOO STFU YOU ARE GAY BROODWAR IS wAY BETTER

[YellowMagi]

@LukkieUCLA

... NEIN! BIST DU FEGELEIN?!

[Snaglebagel]

seed: Step 1. forcefield your zealots from attacking

Step 2. Retreat 50% more than you attack

Step 3. Profit

[neogwt]

Dude, please do give credit to the winner who did well to counter the other player. Stop saying any race is OP. Don't fair to both players.

[chooxingyu]

Lawl why not go for air units like voids or carrier? Beats me

[kickoutdude]

there's no zerg

[3daysgracefan]

Stalkers*

[3daysgracefan]

@platelegs no scoot and shoot for terrans? That's like saying staplers can't blink...... Think before you qq

[WonderWaffleNin616]

Damn ThorZain is being a boss...

[platelegs]

Fucking stupid terrans pieces of shit. So cowardly the shoot and scoot tatic and emps they cant fight fare they always got weaken the protoss to win. Screw humans...

[roe0813]

@platelegs dude, don't screw yourself even you are mad

[LuciidDream]

@platelegs Ya weakening a giant deathball is soo cowardly even tho protoss is the easiest race.

[squirrito]

That was intense. Thorazin is a hero.

[erleonek]

i think HD forgot the word EMP shockwave halfway through cuz all there was were storms no difference weather he was talking about templars or ghost... but eh it was a heated conflict so I'll cut him some slack... nice job HD...:)

[Kleavers]

Some awful plays by Seed here...kept storming his own units too...retreated when he should have pushed on. Oh well.

[74HC138]

I call DTs "desperation templars", cos that's what they are!



[5845ll]

there are 2 types of PvT now. P owns T straight up, or a close game because protoss messed up.

[TheJamesenator]

hd math 8 + 1 = 11 :D

that is the reason we all love hd xD

[OnamuhNu]

Thorzain is very good............but Terran is TOTALLY OP!!!!!

[elx9839]

@OnamuhNu I have never been more convinced in my life that ghosts need a nerf.

[tronictoco]

plural of nexus is nexus, with the u in the plural form emphasised

[74HC138]

@tronictoco the plural of nexus is nexuses. 

[tronictoco]

@74HC138 sorry, but you are wrong. It´s latin and part of the fourth(u)-declension

nominative singular= nexus

nominative plural= nexus

[74HC138]

@tronictoco We speak English here, not Latin. In English, the plural of nexus is nexuses. See the OED.

[OOCMonster]

@74HC138 The canon plural is "Nexi" because that's what Raynor says during the campaign. It is incorrect in both languages, but it is canonical nonetheless.

[tronictoco]

@74HC138 looks like we´re both right. look for nexus on wiktionary

[Bububaps]

@tronictoco Actually, Nexus means a connection or series of connections linking two or more things, as stated by the dictionary. The plural IS nex·us·es.

nexuses plural of nex·us (Noun)

Noun:

A connection or series of connections linking two or more things.

A connected group or series: "a nexus of ideas".

[tronictoco]

@Bububaps we´re both right, it seems. from wiktionary: nexus (plural nexuses or nexus or nexûs or nexūs)

[Bububaps]

@tronictoco I do wish there was a random site where just about anybody could edit it. Oh wait..

Anyhoo, you're not right because you said nexus, you never said either nexûs or nexūs and that is NOT the same thing. Any word with a diaeresis, circumflex or any diacritic or whatever, pronounces a different word entirely. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

[xMobbzx]

Really awesome game to watch as a former Terran player and current Protoss player.  Loved it.

[iliketha]

seed made so many awful mistakes, could have won the game early on if he'd just contained the terran. Also terran player is going mass ghosts, which do two things: deal massive damage to shields, and easily snipe fragile casters, so what does seed do? build fragile casters and archons which are 90% shield. Good plan...

[Bububaps]

@iliketha Hey, dipshit, are you in the GM league winning tournaments? No? Really? So why are you telling a PRO how to play? Sure, he made mistakes, so did Thorzane, guess what, ALL pros do, you know why? Because they're human, humans make mistakes, but they clearly make FAR less than you, since ya know, you're not pro. Try playingwith that pressure, not easy, and I actually KNOW from experience at being pro in CoDUO in '05. Not same game but the pressure is the same. Don't tell a PRO what 2 do.

[AtheismOwnsGod]

@Bububaps calm down

[Abjecthda]

@iliketha sure he made a lot of mistakes but can you do any better or even get to that that league? he played a damn well good game and gave it his best

[kilikx1x]

thorzain should have lost like 12 times this game... OC can lift and that saved his ass, that and the fat that one spell caster is far better than the other for multiple reasons even when the "weaker" of the two can morph into a massive unit... seriously this is why i dont play sc2 anymore and just watch it

[iliketha]

love your casts hd, but it's "all of A sudden"

[NovemberAlphaTango]

This game annoyed me. "Oh, my opponent is massing ghosts. Naturally my logical response should be to mass archons..."

[lzrd0113]

Spoiler alert!

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Why would one go nexus first in a 1v1 map? The opponent can easily scout it and put on early pressure. A bit too risky if you ask me, but w/e.

[xpander2007]

@lzrd0113 crossspawn ?

[nbaumg]

@lzrd0113 it seems to me that its unhonorable to do some cheesey one base attack and instead most games are some kind of 1 rax/gateway/erly hatch kind of build so they decide to get their expo even faster

[lzrd0113]

@nbaumg It is dishonorable to get a gateway (even cybernetics core) before putting down a nexus?

[nbaumg]

@lzrd0113 no not at all. just cheesey stuff is dishonorable. at the pro leval cheesey one base stuff is anything that (assuming your making probs none stop) you dont make an expo in time to avoid over saturation

[alittlebitiffy]

ghosts beat protoss again =D such a hard unit to use... CLOAK, EMP, SNIPE, great auto attack oh and can nuke =D plus its small and hard 2 click on in combat.... how surprising the HT's died like flies. well played =)

[wellguesswhatIthink]

it's kinda fascinating how the marine count went down with every engagement along with the stalker count, as the ghost and templar count kept rising.

[Leeroooy]

omg teeeeerrible storms... but great game :)

[Balgore8]

What an IDIOT. Protoss threw that game away at the end by returning to his natural. Why the hell didnt he take the fight in the wide-open middle where his zealots wouldve gotten a beauty surround?! BRUTAL.

[Balgore8]

Dont worry about BW. The couple you did for a new year's flash back was good enough. Focus on SC2 HD, you barely cast any games as it is...

[Sausack22]

if terran couldn´t lift their stupid oc thorzain would have lost this games at many points...-.-

[pistoljunky]

upgrade forcefields!

[bennyx8903]

THORZAIN! THORZAIN! THORZAIN!

[RZetlin]

The Protoss player made the mistake of not pushing aggressively enough early game.

[AndyLovesTruth]

great game

[yeevirgen]

what a pathetic excuse for a professional protoss

[jfgwapo]

ThorZain is like a boss, nice game.

Love your casting HD.

[Malacite]

Can someone kindly explain to me just what the fuck thought process went on after that great contain early on? 8 marines vs 2 sentries and a stalker, and the guy just lost his expo on top of that.

Not like he would have been able to put up much of a fight.

[Cl99049]

ThorZain UNSTOPPABLE

[SirGecko01]

Command Center can be repaired, Hatcherys can be transfused, but Nexus although energy heals itsfelf should have some kind of spell or something like that, that protected the Nexus for a period of time 10 seconds maybe, I mean, protoss lost the game becasue his expos were taken out several times, I think nexus its to fragile. And Im not a protoss player.

[hortisimo]

exciting game

[atomrocketcar]

this game is bs, those 2 players are putting on a show, they're not fighting, why would anyone retreat after picking off cc, then nexus, then withdraw after EVERY engagement

i call bs

[dannylko]

QIM is filled with shitty players it seems compared to thorazine

[mbehlok]

This game is crap, is seems fixed, first terran lets protos get its natural, same for protos 4 minutes later. GG

[fezan84]

Gosh that was so sick

[Ryuji777x]

wow that protoss player is dumbass he deservedly to lose, he had the advantage

[robertogzm]

11:28 not to shaby at all, the act that says HD sees husky´s videos

[marikdang]

TEAM IM SUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKS­! Can't even beat a Scrub Terran. thorzain raped ALL Of them Weaklings.

[everynameisoccupied]

great game

[TheDeadFrozen]

What... The FUCK. Seed, you're retarded bro. You had this shit when u took out the second. Should have just pressed forward. This makes Protoss look bad.

[LuciidDream]

@TheDeadFrozen Ya, you gotta fuck up pretty bad to make protoss look bad. Its so easy to play toss

[swoopTK421]

@TheDeadFrozen agreed, this could be an easy win but he retreated his whole army for god-knows-what and let thorzaine marco out of this.

[Mindspiel]

amazin game..congratz Thorzain

[HourOfOurTime]

so many mistakes.

[HourOfOurTime]

GUY IS A COMPLETE IDIOT! HE HAD BUILT TWO BUNKERS AND HAD HIM FORCED TO ONE BASE and then just runs away. DUMBEST SHIT I've EVER seen.

[Shaby18]

The game was over after he decided to give him a second chance...

[scumatron]

@Shaby18 agreed, IMProtoss should have won it when he was at the terran doorstep but he didn't commit...

[Killer390]

The plural form of nexus is nexuses btw

[jayslaughter1]

i love sc2 and all but they rly need to fix scvs repairing air units

[dkabrt1]

@jayslaughter1 wtf

[xeridea]

@mgyldz a "no name" with 70% vs terran. Also no name doesn't mean no skill, just less publicity.

[greersimpson]

omg fav game everrrr !!!! <3

[jayslaughter1]

i think hd and husky should do a dual cast with both of them they are the 2 best casters and together it'll be even better

[DylanxRofl]

You should play MaximusBlack

[MrPitiponk]

@DylanxRofl hell yeah !!!!

[SLicKVikC]

EMP not storm!!!!!!!!!

[gomezz]

disgusting!

[GHOSTRID8R]

is this guy that good or are his opponents not top tier?

[mgyldz]

@GHOSTRID8R That guy is good AND his opponents are not top-tier.

[nbaumg]

ht are pretty much the toss equivalent to ghost but ghosts are faster, more health, and have longer range. WTF BLIZZARD!?!?!?

[xeridea]

@nbaumg You forgot cloaking, regular attack, cheap nukes, and tier 1.5.

[josefa1212]

@nbaumg because ghost counter ht stupid

[Qwerty48121]

@josefa1212 HT also counter ghosts

[nbaumg]

@josefa1212 o ok what counter ghost than? HT are supposed to stupid. thats y toss was making HT when the other guy had ghosts because they do if your better than your opponent. o also i forgot cloacking, the good regualr attack, cheap nukes, and its tier 1.5. you can make it after a rax for 100?/50, idiot

[josefa1212]

@nbaumg your retarded, ghosts are total shit, what league are you? you have no actual idea about the game all your doing is theory crafting, play in diamond and youll know its balanced. ghosts are total shit vs toss with good micro and ghosts can move faster and cloak so that the ht cant get storms off which deal much more damage than emp or anything the ghosts can do. play the game noob. GG

[nbaumg]

@josefa1212 i am in diamond and i also play random so no biased. i will admit not all my races are equal but ghosts are a must have vs toss in the late game. for you not to know that i question the integrity of anything you say. how bout this, al let other poeple do the arguing for me. go to TL or google and type in ghost op and youl see an uncountable amout of threads of ppl talking about ghost balance. also emp<storm only if the terran player dosnt move but who does that?

[josefa1212]

@nbaumg im high masters, and ghosts are not OP. no unit in this game is op, they only seem op when used in certain siituations. this game, look at the unit composition and he got huge amounts of ghosts and hugenumber of alot of units look op, but its cause toss didnt respond properly. the number of threads has nothing to do with it if they are misguided threads. forcefield lock down armies and then storms= dead terran army,

[xeridea]

Its ludacris how terran can win pretty much any game no matter how far behind they are. Also this game displays why high templar are never used anymore, ghosts are so insanely overpowered, and the templars are extremely clunky to use with low hp and turtle speed + storms rarely doing much with terran just falling back causing damage to own protoss with already stimmed units. I see more players trying high templars lately, but 80% of the time they just get slaughtered, even with good control.