i do this allready but idk my bass drumming isnt very loud when im just jamming when i do a double bass riff like this. sometimes i find myself off the seat and basically leaning into the drumset and thristing down as hard as possible to get the fast loud effect. that tires me out after about 30 seconds lol
Dude, how long did it take to you to get this technique? I've been working on ankle motion for a year, almost everyday, and i got it, but only with my right foot, my left foot doesn't play nothing, do you have any suggestions?
Dude, how long did it take to you to get this technique? I've been working on ankle motion for a year, almost everyday, and i got it, but only with my right foot, my left foot doesn't play nothing, do you have any suggestions?
@asthedrumer Yeah, but large muscles are much harder to move compared to small muscles. To play like that, u have to lift ur whole leg up and slam it back down. It's the equivalent of playing a single stroke roll on the snare using only ur shoulders & elbows with no finger or wrist. Possible? yes. powerful? yes. Efficient? no. it'll take forever to build up the speed. and it could hurt ur shins with all the force. This is more natural, and, once you get the legs even, easier to speed up.
Maaaaaaaaaaaan come on, this isn't your style just leave the metalheads be, it's what we like, so If you dnt like it, stop wasting your time searching for this stuff
How I got to this I don't know but guys, please, stop wasting your time on this stuff - THIS IS NOT DRUMMING!!! Very impressive as it may be, but this is a sport -nothing to do with music. Have you heard the racket you're making mate?? Sit down and listen to some Bernard Purdie, Steve Gadd, Ed Thigpen for a couple of hours then stick this back on, you'll be shocked. It's absolute garbage this stuff - use your ears people!!
@DrJizify, people like Steve Gadd and Bernard Purdie are absolutely amazing at drums but calm down. Fast double bass drumming is used in metal music, especially extreme metal where the power and speed is needed to express that kind of music. I personally find it very powerful when played correctly especially in context with the music. Just understand that taste in music is subjective.
@DrJizify This kind of speed and technicality can (and is) used by many of the greats like Steve Smith, Gadd himself had a double bass on his kit last I checked. The amount of speed that he's getting out of a single leg alone is more than a lot of people that play single pedals. Also, he was merely demonstrating the technique here, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be doing backflips if I heard Gadd playing basic paradiddles on his snare either. It's simply an instructional on how to do the technique.
@ArgenisDrums Not at all. I recently got upto 240bpm on my IC Powerglides, and there are people who have gone faster than that on IC's. I now have Axis pedals and they are just lighter have greater efficiency.
This is literally all there is to getting fast/having good endurance/playing cleanly. 1. Play at your threshold for lengthy periods of time (but first making sure muscles are warmed up and not getting injured) and 2. Playing rudiments such as paradiddles, doubles, triplets, fifths, sevenths, etc to improve your co-ordination. Feel free to ignore this advice but it's how i can now cleanly play 230bpm for lengthy periods of time (not meaning to brag).
I dont like this technique to much because your legs become week after to long. Also this is almost imposible to do this if u dont use triggers or you get a terrible sound.
@villex93 what I found is just practicing speeds right before you start needing to use the flat foot (170-180) for a good 15 minutes or half an hour (switching between 16ths and 8ths every 2 beats or so) will get you really warmed up and the kicking it up to 200 isn't that big of a deal. Even if it's not perfect you'll get the motion down and work the muscles. Just be carful because you can get sloppy if you do it too much. Hope that helped.
Doing that with one leg is very easy, but it doesn't have any control to it. When you do it it's like putting your leg from off to on and then you just watch it go. It's impossible to get your both legs going NOT at the same time, aka RLRLRL. Doing that movement slowly is a completely different thing than doing it at full speed so I can't practice it properly but slowly. Like walking doesn't train you to do a fast sprint because the movement isn't the same. What's the problem?
@Villex93 im kinda in the same boat. what ive been doing is getting my my ankles really warmed up, especially my left, and then set one of my feet in motion at a time so i build some independence. but i can't control it yet and get all the power i want consistently. another thing ive been doing after i warm up is to try to throttle down from that fast tempo. i think its helping me feel the individual strokes better but its been a really gradual process for me.
@stover81291 The indivitual control isn't a problem, having the legs go RLRL is like trying to spin your arms in the opposite directions, its just not going to work. I can get it go RLRL but then it's like 5 secs out of 60 secs trying and even the 5 secs are completely non controlled. Yeah warming can help but it's still not even close.
You can't have power when you're playing that fast and your springs are so tight. You know with tigh spring tensions, the spring is actually pulling the beater AWAY from the head, so it's even harder to be loud.
@FractureTheBand well bro this kind of technique is good but that was my oppinion ok every one has his own opinion i prefer have power then speed but is dont wanna mean's than this technique dont be good..
@2goldplz - I agree with you. I had dw 9000's before I got my Axis Longboards, and I had to completely re-teach myself double bass. But after 3 months with my Axis, I'm much faster, consistent, and more powerful on my Axis than I ever was on my 9000's.
Tune your bass drum like this, The front skin as loose as it can be (at the wrinkles) and then back skin at a medium tention and it gives that metal clicky sound. Try it and tell me what you think! =D
well its hard to learn from this guy considering hes using some of the most expensive pedals on the market< whereas most of us had moderately priced pedals...
I feel all fucked up if I don't drive through the head with my foot. It's hard to lay into the kit and play something heavy, loud and in the pocket with this technique. It's perfect for fast double bass, but I really feel this is a technique best left for trigger users.
@bateroloco5000 are you fucking serious anyone can do that? you are full of shit hahaha i doubt you can do two thirds that speed cleanly. post a video or gtfo with lies
@skatepro242 Go to George Kollias' forum... talk to him personally, and he'll tell you that he's not doing heel toe... Tim Waterson does heel toe. It looks nothing like that, lol.
so wait, i cant tell if the movement is just nervous energy, cuz i used to do that but u cant control volume. or is it ur actual speed? and u just practice a lot. if its nervousy, let me tell u something, i tried having nervousy, and let me tell u, i got some massive speed from it, but it turns out, it doesnt give u a choice on volume, and u dont get much control. i mean, i did do it a different way, but fair warning dude.
You have Axis longboards, it's easy to beat fast by default. Folks like me that can't drop $500 on doubles (my whole kit costs as much) have to do it the old fashioned way.
@anavelg0083 these pedals do not make you faster. i have seen people play 240-260 bpm with dw 5000's and theyre heavy as fuck. do not be ignorant, its the player not the pedal. if you have a problem with your slave left pedal than just make the linkage parallel and not bent to reduce resistance.
the strange thing about me is that im a right-handed drummer, but my left food goes a lot easier with this technique than my right foot with which of course i used to play my single bass. its just the first time i put my left one on the pedal i could hold a steady tempo at decent speed, and im still having problems doing that with my right foot
Tighter tension might make it seem harder at first but you will be rewarded after adjusting. It's essential to get the rebound speed fast as possible so you can hit the next note. Especially at the high BPMs 'needed' for metal. Once you get used to it you will notice a lot more control, and
more even timing. Most of the top guys run their pedals at or near max tightness.
Can I still reach over 200 BPM by just using heels up? And how would I no if I am doing it right? Will I just be in a alot of pain during and after I drum (cramps) and if I do practice heels up, do I just play 16th notes till I can do them fluidly, then move on to faster speed, and BPM?
would pdps work?? the mediocer model... say if you had some really good adjustments to them... iv tweaked with the drive and might buy faster bearings for it
Another key to playing fast consistent double bass is to stay relaxed... I'm still learning, and the hardest part is staying relaxed without tightening your calf and wasting energy.
there is only one simple way to increase your speed in double bass and that is to just PLAY. Technique does help buh as Derek Roddy says you should never worry about speed and technique, just practise whenever you can, and get yourself involved in a band and jam ALOT. The result would be you naturally getting a technique that is right for you. Double bass isnt something you can get within a month. Its like working out, stay motivated and youll get there.
Thanks mate, that has really helped. What you said about lifting your leg at 0.59 is exactly what I have been doing and its wrong because I get no speed. I started my double pedalling last March. I had my left ankle crushed 1000kg pallet of batteries last year. It still works. I prefer this technique. Do you need long board pedals to do it?
look at the derek roddy video called "flat food" or something. dunno if he still does it that way. its a lot louder but not as fast, hard to keep up for a long while too :)
i dont think its technique you lack. most drummers always think oh no im not doing it right i havent got the right technique. but tbh i think its nothing to do with technique, its just practise, theres no shortcuts or amazing techniques, it just takes time and practise and eventualy you get beter :D
That was the same for me. i found that i had to slow right down and over exaggerate the motion to get them separate. Eventually i found that it works. Make sure you spend a bit of time warming up too.
@jewfishie2 sounds terrible because he use triggers and the natural sound don't meater... and he keep the bassdrum tension to maximum for the max bounce ( sorry for the english)
I said if you are tapping (hitting softly) under 220 bpm whilst using triggers you are cheating. If you still hard fairly hard at 220bpm and below and use triggers, then it is NOT cheating.
2:01 is teh problem that i have. can not hear a dam of the bass drum. and i wont use triggers. i don't play 240 bpm. barely 200 bpm so they are worthless. what can i do? :(
well, u dont have to play fast just to use em, but if you want to get a kinda louder bass drum, turn ur beaters around to hit with the plastic part, and buy special pads. they have metal in them, and they kinda give a click to em
wtf triggers are not even close to cheating same thing as guitarists using an amp so you can fucking hear it and get a cleaner sound, and you can use triggers if you fucking can only play 150 bpm it still gives you the nicest sound its almost an eargasm to get triggers when your used to just regular mics and tapping is not cheating either its just you playing at suck high speeds theres no power to it so how is that cheating i say if a guy can play 300 bpm with triggers that by all means let him
This guy isn't claiming to be great. He's just giving good advice - the best technique is the one that works for YOU personally. Everybody's comforts and techniques are different from everyone elses, and there is no one "best" way to do things.
Theres a double motion. One initial 'down' stroke performed by the leg and the ankle and then a successive ankle down-stroke propelling the ankle and the leg to the starting point.
Effectively Push-Pull method with you're feet.
None of this is leg motion only or his ankles wouldn't pivot as they do.
i can play hard with that technique and i only played for a few months its very easy to do hard and loud and clean if u play them everyday for an hour
almoust all the drummers use triggers at deathmetal bands. but its not a problem aslong ur not tapping alot of people think u go faster with triggers but infact drumming with triggers is only harder cuz u hear everything so u hear all the mistakes aswell.. triggers just make the people hear wot u do and ur bandmembers hear wot u do :) if u do this technique with sliding its very fast and load enuf even without triggers
Yes, You are so smart, aren't You Mr Holmes? ; ) Death metal drummers like Roddy, Kollias, Inferno, Doc (RIP), Daray, Barker, Hellhammer and the others have spended a YEARS on practice and they are able to play FAST and HARD. They expect from triggers selective SOUND, but many "noob-drummers" used triggers to making fakes.
I dun quite understand ur entire consept of the comment. i am just saying the technique has enuf power and triggers only make it sound better but true there alot of tappers out there.
Peace brother! Practice, practice & one more god damn time PRACTICE! Firstly - skills, secondly - triggers(for better sound). Fuck all these fuckin tappers!!!
this is 100 percent correct people need to understand triggers on drums are like distrotion or evan amping on electric guitars it makes it so you have an electric bass drum and th module reads the vibration and plays the slected drum sample and no way is that cheating....u can mic up your bass drum with i eq high volume and get the same thing as tapping on triggs...so people need to get off the whole triggers are cheating... and you shouldnt evan use triggers unless u play over 230 bpm powrfly!
axis... iron cobra is the only other pedal that i know of that is useful with this method... i made my own method its a combo of heel up and swivel for sixteenths...
cool technique.....but yeah axis are the best out there..so responsive, if only i could afford some shit like that. ive got dw 4000s and have gotten quick on em cant wait to get somethin better
on a tempo of 160 bpm like in power metal, that technique is not usefull
zuckymaster 1 month ago
I can't go to Starbucks..cuz i'm a man!
ColonelAXV 3 months ago
i do this allready but idk my bass drumming isnt very loud when im just jamming when i do a double bass riff like this. sometimes i find myself off the seat and basically leaning into the drumset and thristing down as hard as possible to get the fast loud effect. that tires me out after about 30 seconds lol
focusfanatic01 3 months ago
man i play bass drum like this...but i couldnt imagine that it was a technique haha
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Dude, how long did it take to you to get this technique? I've been working on ankle motion for a year, almost everyday, and i got it, but only with my right foot, my left foot doesn't play nothing, do you have any suggestions?
rr5431 4 months ago
Dude, how long did it take to you to get this technique? I've been working on ankle motion for a year, almost everyday, and i got it, but only with my right foot, my left foot doesn't play nothing, do you have any suggestions?
rr5431 4 months ago
What beaters is he using?
Anyone?
888riddim888 4 months ago
GOD! your bassdrum sounds like shit
MaggotJoko 6 months ago 4
@MaggotJoko it really does!!
asthedrumer 5 months ago
I´ll follow this guy´s advise to see if it works
Necroparanoia 6 months ago
didnt derek say flat foot is putting ur whole foot on the ground at the same time, not bouncing ur heel?
asthedrumer 7 months ago
@asthedrumer Yeah, but large muscles are much harder to move compared to small muscles. To play like that, u have to lift ur whole leg up and slam it back down. It's the equivalent of playing a single stroke roll on the snare using only ur shoulders & elbows with no finger or wrist. Possible? yes. powerful? yes. Efficient? no. it'll take forever to build up the speed. and it could hurt ur shins with all the force. This is more natural, and, once you get the legs even, easier to speed up.
1stpersonshooter 5 months ago
@1stpersonshooter i get that im just saying what derek said. i dont use flatfoot so... /watch?v=yBnhM-8j7bc
asthedrumer 5 months ago
@IronBoundNorway thanks bro i really appreciate it. I think you just had and effect on my overall self esteem :P
fatalkill101 7 months ago
Fy**
TornbyWolvesBand 8 months ago
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Maaaaaaaaaaaan come on, this isn't your style just leave the metalheads be, it's what we like, so If you dnt like it, stop wasting your time searching for this stuff
TornbyWolvesBand 8 months ago
Great, you can play super fast, now right me a song
thetokerhasrisen 8 months ago
How I got to this I don't know but guys, please, stop wasting your time on this stuff - THIS IS NOT DRUMMING!!! Very impressive as it may be, but this is a sport -nothing to do with music. Have you heard the racket you're making mate?? Sit down and listen to some Bernard Purdie, Steve Gadd, Ed Thigpen for a couple of hours then stick this back on, you'll be shocked. It's absolute garbage this stuff - use your ears people!!
DrJizify 8 months ago
@DrJizify, people like Steve Gadd and Bernard Purdie are absolutely amazing at drums but calm down. Fast double bass drumming is used in metal music, especially extreme metal where the power and speed is needed to express that kind of music. I personally find it very powerful when played correctly especially in context with the music. Just understand that taste in music is subjective.
Bearthoughts 8 months ago 11
@DrJizify
i prefer to not listen to gay music, but thanks for coming out
halabinono 6 months ago
@DrJizify This kind of speed and technicality can (and is) used by many of the greats like Steve Smith, Gadd himself had a double bass on his kit last I checked. The amount of speed that he's getting out of a single leg alone is more than a lot of people that play single pedals. Also, he was merely demonstrating the technique here, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be doing backflips if I heard Gadd playing basic paradiddles on his snare either. It's simply an instructional on how to do the technique.
Fury165 6 months ago
no power
vikousek88 8 months ago
@ArgenisDrums Not at all. I recently got upto 240bpm on my IC Powerglides, and there are people who have gone faster than that on IC's. I now have Axis pedals and they are just lighter have greater efficiency.
metaldrummer330 8 months ago
This is literally all there is to getting fast/having good endurance/playing cleanly. 1. Play at your threshold for lengthy periods of time (but first making sure muscles are warmed up and not getting injured) and 2. Playing rudiments such as paradiddles, doubles, triplets, fifths, sevenths, etc to improve your co-ordination. Feel free to ignore this advice but it's how i can now cleanly play 230bpm for lengthy periods of time (not meaning to brag).
Applehurler 9 months ago 3
really helpful lesson, thanks.
confederateman 9 months ago
I dont like this technique to much because your legs become week after to long. Also this is almost imposible to do this if u dont use triggers or you get a terrible sound.
AbyssusBand 9 months ago
just use your ankles like George kollias it's easyier to do the swivel than the heel toe
Astralsreams 9 months ago
@villex93 what I found is just practicing speeds right before you start needing to use the flat foot (170-180) for a good 15 minutes or half an hour (switching between 16ths and 8ths every 2 beats or so) will get you really warmed up and the kicking it up to 200 isn't that big of a deal. Even if it's not perfect you'll get the motion down and work the muscles. Just be carful because you can get sloppy if you do it too much. Hope that helped.
TheJosephlevine 9 months ago
Need help!
Doing that with one leg is very easy, but it doesn't have any control to it. When you do it it's like putting your leg from off to on and then you just watch it go. It's impossible to get your both legs going NOT at the same time, aka RLRLRL. Doing that movement slowly is a completely different thing than doing it at full speed so I can't practice it properly but slowly. Like walking doesn't train you to do a fast sprint because the movement isn't the same. What's the problem?
Villex93 10 months ago
@Villex93 im kinda in the same boat. what ive been doing is getting my my ankles really warmed up, especially my left, and then set one of my feet in motion at a time so i build some independence. but i can't control it yet and get all the power i want consistently. another thing ive been doing after i warm up is to try to throttle down from that fast tempo. i think its helping me feel the individual strokes better but its been a really gradual process for me.
stover81291 9 months ago
@stover81291 The indivitual control isn't a problem, having the legs go RLRL is like trying to spin your arms in the opposite directions, its just not going to work. I can get it go RLRL but then it's like 5 secs out of 60 secs trying and even the 5 secs are completely non controlled. Yeah warming can help but it's still not even close.
Villex93 9 months ago
SWEET :D
corethroughveins 10 months ago
you need hit more harder the bass because you have speeed but no power...
sliprok100 1 year ago
@sliprok100 stfu
PKAmarks56 10 months ago
you have fast but you dont have power....
sliprok100 1 year ago
@sliprok100
You can't have power when you're playing that fast and your springs are so tight. You know with tigh spring tensions, the spring is actually pulling the beater AWAY from the head, so it's even harder to be loud.
FractureTheBand 11 months ago
@FractureTheBand well bro this kind of technique is good but that was my oppinion ok every one has his own opinion i prefer have power then speed but is dont wanna mean's than this technique dont be good..
sliprok100 11 months ago
is that you sitting by the speaker in the derek roddy clinic foot technique video
Superchocolatedonut 1 year ago
Dude, My dog started barking when you hit your bass drums, sounds like someone was knocking at the door....
SmallTimeShred 1 year ago
i just figured this out last week and im kickn that bass better then eva.. :D
6BulleT2007 1 year ago
lol thats a cheat with axis everybody can do it......lol
its sarcasm...cool bro i like the sound i like drums and i dont complaint about everything on life....keep on drumming bro.
erikimba 1 year ago
@erikimba
I had Iron Corbras before Axis Longboards..
All I can say that I could control Iron Cobras way better, and was faster with them for first 4 months.
Takes a lot of practice to get used to Axis..
Was pretty much "starting all over" for me, so its not a cheat - its practice time involved.
2goldplz 1 year ago
@2goldplz - I agree with you. I had dw 9000's before I got my Axis Longboards, and I had to completely re-teach myself double bass. But after 3 months with my Axis, I'm much faster, consistent, and more powerful on my Axis than I ever was on my 9000's.
BryceButler2 1 year ago
its a "pump" not flatfoot
011011100101 1 year ago
DUDE I DO THIS ALREADY. but i must not be strong enough yet
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Its a PUMP(r foot), not "flatfoot"
011011100101 1 year ago
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011011100101 1 year ago
very insightful, thanks dude
Vicfirth7b 1 year ago
Tune your bass drum like this, The front skin as loose as it can be (at the wrinkles) and then back skin at a medium tention and it gives that metal clicky sound. Try it and tell me what you think! =D
SoundOfSorrowSOS 1 year ago
it sounded like you had all sorts of accents going on the down strokes. Not very consistent bass drum hits.
healsound 1 year ago
if you don´t trigger them you won´t hear them loud enough. Moreover it IS possible eo play with more power; best proof = george kollias
netterhaufen 1 year ago
i need axis
lucci97 1 year ago
I believe that your pedal settings are more important than the pedal's price. You can definetely feel comfortable with every pedal.
Blacklorigine 1 year ago 5
@Blacklorigine i do really %150 agree with you!!
kirbyful31 1 year ago
well its hard to learn from this guy considering hes using some of the most expensive pedals on the market< whereas most of us had moderately priced pedals...
SATANECRONOMICUS 1 year ago
@SATANECRONOMICUS dnt worry bout pedals dude, you can get that speed and faster from nearly any pedal........honest. Its technique that matters
andypandy133 1 year ago 3
@andypandy133 i agree!!! %150 totally!
kirbyful31 1 year ago
I feel all fucked up if I don't drive through the head with my foot. It's hard to lay into the kit and play something heavy, loud and in the pocket with this technique. It's perfect for fast double bass, but I really feel this is a technique best left for trigger users.
amusingisthedawn 1 year ago
this video is not for how his bass drum sounds but for his foot tecnique... so keep stupid comment to yourself guys..
nice work man
filijander 1 year ago
that speed is normal..., where is the technique???, with a double bass, anybody do that...
bateroloco5000 1 year ago
@bateroloco5000 are you fucking serious anyone can do that? you are full of shit hahaha i doubt you can do two thirds that speed cleanly. post a video or gtfo with lies
ilikeguns 1 year ago
youre using heel toe with your right foot, and honestly whoever doesnt already do this is retarded
skatepro242 1 year ago
@skatepro242 heel toe?
allmetaliswelcome 1 year ago
@skatepro242 that's not heel toe lol :P
MikeAsHimself 1 year ago
@MikeAsHimself youd recognize it if you knew it.
skatepro242 1 year ago
@skatepro242 Go to George Kollias' forum... talk to him personally, and he'll tell you that he's not doing heel toe... Tim Waterson does heel toe. It looks nothing like that, lol.
MikeAsHimself 1 year ago
so wait, i cant tell if the movement is just nervous energy, cuz i used to do that but u cant control volume. or is it ur actual speed? and u just practice a lot. if its nervousy, let me tell u something, i tried having nervousy, and let me tell u, i got some massive speed from it, but it turns out, it doesnt give u a choice on volume, and u dont get much control. i mean, i did do it a different way, but fair warning dude.
xDrumsx4xLifex 1 year ago
How is your spring tension? full? and how far are your beaters away?
kentsmedblom 1 year ago
he says all that at 1:23
DavidChoiDrumz 1 year ago
@DavidChoiDrumz thanks man =) didnt notice
kentsmedblom 1 year ago
You have Axis longboards, it's easy to beat fast by default. Folks like me that can't drop $500 on doubles (my whole kit costs as much) have to do it the old fashioned way.
anavelg0083 1 year ago
@anavelg0083 these pedals do not make you faster. i have seen people play 240-260 bpm with dw 5000's and theyre heavy as fuck. do not be ignorant, its the player not the pedal. if you have a problem with your slave left pedal than just make the linkage parallel and not bent to reduce resistance.
ilikeguns 1 year ago 2
nice.. but would sound better if your kick was Dampened better
MrIdontlikeniggers 1 year ago
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the strange thing about me is that im a right-handed drummer, but my left food goes a lot easier with this technique than my right foot with which of course i used to play my single bass. its just the first time i put my left one on the pedal i could hold a steady tempo at decent speed, and im still having problems doing that with my right foot
SOADbulgaria 1 year ago
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SOADbulgaria 1 year ago
so how does throne height come into play?
what is the height i would want to set it up to get the best results for this technique?
cockballnuggets 1 year ago
Tighter tension might make it seem harder at first but you will be rewarded after adjusting. It's essential to get the rebound speed fast as possible so you can hit the next note. Especially at the high BPMs 'needed' for metal. Once you get used to it you will notice a lot more control, and
more even timing. Most of the top guys run their pedals at or near max tightness.
hackchops 2 years ago
@hackchops there was 1 guy who would have his pedals real loose, but his skin on the kick really tight, i think it was derek roddy?
METALHANGOVER 2 years ago
roddy has full spring tension
aileanwazere 1 year ago
to do this do you have to have your spring tension cranked up? cause i like mine kinda loose..
adlersidol 2 years ago
Can I still reach over 200 BPM by just using heels up? And how would I no if I am doing it right? Will I just be in a alot of pain during and after I drum (cramps) and if I do practice heels up, do I just play 16th notes till I can do them fluidly, then move on to faster speed, and BPM?
Godsmack0Believe 2 years ago
alot of drumers do up to 240bpm heels up so yes with practice you can
aileanwazere 1 year ago
Awesome tachniqe!!!! this will help ALOT
littleloudluke88 2 years ago
This technique is the bomb!
And you dont need axis to do them. You can do it with other pedals but you just need much more work if they arent very sensitive.
But dont feel bad if you dont have axis. Just keep it up.
PeponeNRC 2 years ago
would pdps work?? the mediocer model... say if you had some really good adjustments to them... iv tweaked with the drive and might buy faster bearings for it
dxhjkg 2 years ago
i do that all the time in class lol, explains alot XD
malletmaniac1 2 years ago 2
Thanks for posting this video, it really helped me to understand what the Flat foot technique is.
lothfors 2 years ago
thank you man
21spada 2 years ago
awesome
SeregorArdekNamtar 2 years ago
Another key to playing fast consistent double bass is to stay relaxed... I'm still learning, and the hardest part is staying relaxed without tightening your calf and wasting energy.
oliverbm20 2 years ago 39
oliverbm20 ==> It's not just another key, it's THE key. Relax is the most important thinks to playing fast, with your feet like with your hands.
Blacklorigine 2 years ago
@oliverbm20 same haha
lucci97 1 year ago
Do you need really good pedals for this technique?
Severtized 2 years ago
no.
Blacklorigine 2 years ago
@Severtized I think so.
bon2bonn 2 years ago
At least quite Sensitive pedals. Not neccessarily AXIS.
Imrez 2 years ago
there is only one simple way to increase your speed in double bass and that is to just PLAY. Technique does help buh as Derek Roddy says you should never worry about speed and technique, just practise whenever you can, and get yourself involved in a band and jam ALOT. The result would be you naturally getting a technique that is right for you. Double bass isnt something you can get within a month. Its like working out, stay motivated and youll get there.
fatalkill101 2 years ago 24
Thanks mate, that has really helped. What you said about lifting your leg at 0.59 is exactly what I have been doing and its wrong because I get no speed. I started my double pedalling last March. I had my left ankle crushed 1000kg pallet of batteries last year. It still works. I prefer this technique. Do you need long board pedals to do it?
Timbud08 2 years ago
Ouch that's brutal
mikebrew150 1 year ago
i think the best way 2 learn duble bass is to practice with ur oppiste foot 4 awhile to get the hang of using ur left foot with the bass drum
ndogdrumz 2 years ago
awesome ;)
papyn93 2 years ago
Really helpful. I don't have longboards...but I'm going to try it. might help me a lot.
EverydayAdventures 2 years ago
nice, but this is different from derek roddys "flat foot" technique isnt it? in fact id call this normal "heel up".
tommotomt 2 years ago 4
I'm sure even Derek Roddy plays normal heel up he just calls it 'flat foot'
you really can't play 250bpm with your so called 'hip flexor' muscles and believe me I'm taking an anatomy course at uni
cussy182 2 years ago 2
look at the derek roddy video called "flat food" or something. dunno if he still does it that way. its a lot louder but not as fast, hard to keep up for a long while too :)
tommotomt 1 year ago
@tommotomt I seen that video. And it's a lot different from this technique right?
bleedfinger 1 year ago
very good man
i ll try that
nice New Balance
machisimo2807 2 years ago
very ilustrative
aquarianAtila 2 years ago
i agree with freekpill, both my feet move at the same time. its hard to balance them out smoothly. I need a better technique. :(
misdrummer 2 years ago
i dont think its technique you lack. most drummers always think oh no im not doing it right i havent got the right technique. but tbh i think its nothing to do with technique, its just practise, theres no shortcuts or amazing techniques, it just takes time and practise and eventualy you get beter :D
major092 2 years ago 3
Thanks for sharing your technique. I found this helpful in acquiring faster bass drum notes with a single pedal.
apollos84 2 years ago
that's taping :S
cristian2001 2 years ago
i tried this and my feet do the same beat its hard to seperate them
freekpill2009 2 years ago
That was the same for me. i found that i had to slow right down and over exaggerate the motion to get them separate. Eventually i found that it works. Make sure you spend a bit of time warming up too.
kashter 2 years ago
Hmmm, funny that he says Derek Roddy told him about that stuff, but he practices differently. watch?v=DaMAHphUTnk
TheDrummingClown 2 years ago
This is not tight playing!
scarweb 2 years ago
ugh ur bass drums sound terrible..
jewfishie2 2 years ago 37
@jewfishie2 Haha! Yeah! Sounds like a fucking washtub!
drumlord420 1 year ago
@jewfishie2 Because he uses triggers.
Beautiful technique btw
hybrid212 1 year ago
@hybrid212 sounds acoustic as fuck
also triggers dont necessarily mean a bass drum sounds bad, i actually prefer trigger for double bass (in most cases)
and i dont see the triggers either..
im pretty sure you are mistaken
jewfishie2 1 year ago
@jewfishie2 maybe cuz he dosent have triggers asshole
FuckinMetal3694 1 year ago
@FuckinMetal3694 or maybe he needs to fucking tune them..
dipshit
jewfishie2 1 year ago
@jewfishie2 u cant hear nothing past 250 bpm.. FUCK BALLS.. This isnt even mic'd up either so its worse.. dummy jew fish
FuckinMetal3694 1 year ago
@FuckinMetal3694 dont blame me for his shitty recording setup
jewfishie2 1 year ago
@jewfishie2 im not ur coo dude :)
FuckinMetal3694 1 year ago
@FuckinMetal3694 im not your dude, bro
also wtf is a coo?
jewfishie2 1 year ago
@jewfishie2 its ur mothers cunt wrapped in see-weed mother fuckER
FuckinMetal3694 1 year ago
@FuckinMetal3694 well i dont understand why you think i would insinuate you are my mothers cunt wrapped in sea-weed but... ok
jewfishie2 1 year ago
@jewfishie2 sounds terrible because he use triggers and the natural sound don't meater... and he keep the bassdrum tension to maximum for the max bounce ( sorry for the english)
ThEpUrEfUcKiNmEtAl 1 year ago
dude wat kind of pedals are you using?
travisBrulzz 2 years ago
He's using Axis A Longboards
TBAG1000LTDedition 2 years ago 3
He says around 1:25 that he uses Axis X Longboards.
portraitofjimmy 2 years ago
Oh, my bad. Most drummers use A Longboards, including myself.
TBAG1000LTDedition 2 years ago
X longboards
rushequalslove 2 years ago
Axis Longboards dude
Pinchfucker 2 years ago
Axis al/2
hyrael2 2 years ago
is it possible to do it on a strap drive pedal?
diegovercesi 2 years ago
Thanks. my double bass has speed up so much.
panteraman32 2 years ago
The basic thing to say with triggers is, if you are "tapping" at speeds under 220 bpm you are cheating
mikebrew150 2 years ago
your stupid? its not cheating just another micing system is pluggin an acoustic guitar into a amp cheating aswell?
WesHasFire 2 years ago 2
I said if you are tapping (hitting softly) under 220 bpm whilst using triggers you are cheating. If you still hard fairly hard at 220bpm and below and use triggers, then it is NOT cheating.
mikebrew150 2 years ago
very true
i dont see why people dont understand tht lolz
cookiecollision 2 years ago
Um no. All triggers do is just change the sound. doesn't do anything else. I don't know how you think it does, cause it doesn't
evilbob1001 2 years ago
It always amazes me how much people don't read the description before asking questions like "what drums do you use" etc -.-
Myschly 2 years ago
2:01 is teh problem that i have. can not hear a dam of the bass drum. and i wont use triggers. i don't play 240 bpm. barely 200 bpm so they are worthless. what can i do? :(
ZqazwashoshosZyiyi 2 years ago
well, u dont have to play fast just to use em, but if you want to get a kinda louder bass drum, turn ur beaters around to hit with the plastic part, and buy special pads. they have metal in them, and they kinda give a click to em
SteveAnderson912 2 years ago
try to get more rebound and set your pedals differently. but most importantly try getting and putting more power into your strokes
djrewind5 2 years ago
how to get more rebound?
ZqazwashoshosZyiyi 2 years ago
tighten up the bass drum head, put more spring tension on the pedals.
djrewind5 2 years ago
Hey morons. Read the damn information in the top right... you know.. the one saying that its not him in the video... retards.
verilux83 2 years ago 3
Great vid sir! What drums do you use? Where do you put your Variable Drive Lever on your axis (VDL) and do you use triggers with your axis?
F990 2 years ago
wtf triggers are not even close to cheating same thing as guitarists using an amp so you can fucking hear it and get a cleaner sound, and you can use triggers if you fucking can only play 150 bpm it still gives you the nicest sound its almost an eargasm to get triggers when your used to just regular mics and tapping is not cheating either its just you playing at suck high speeds theres no power to it so how is that cheating i say if a guy can play 300 bpm with triggers that by all means let him
inrth1134 2 years ago
lol
Deathmetalr0x 2 years ago
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ratchet2424 2 years ago
"Blah blah blah, this technique sucks, my favorite drummer uses so and so technique etc...."
CRAP!
The only correct technique is the one that makes the drums sound like you want them to.
cyberpherph 2 years ago
ok mr.expert lets see you play since your so great you can show us all how its done
onesickbastard 2 years ago 2
well u have a good point. but id like to see u play if u say yer so great
Blackdrumer93 2 years ago
he didn't say that retard.he's saying that just because one guy uses a certain technique doesn't mean it's the only good one.
bbguy17 2 years ago
i totally agree with you.
vivioilin 2 years ago
This guy isn't claiming to be great. He's just giving good advice - the best technique is the one that works for YOU personally. Everybody's comforts and techniques are different from everyone elses, and there is no one "best" way to do things.
mewv 2 years ago 4
i always do the heel up practicing sitting through classes
The1ne07 2 years ago
Theres a double motion. One initial 'down' stroke performed by the leg and the ankle and then a successive ankle down-stroke propelling the ankle and the leg to the starting point.
Effectively Push-Pull method with you're feet.
None of this is leg motion only or his ankles wouldn't pivot as they do.
offleshandblood 2 years ago
your actually using your ankles. Your hip flexors are giving you blalance
tmendoza619 2 years ago
In my opinion, that technique sucks, coz if you not using a triggers (on stage) than you are not be able to hear, what you playin.
LordJelly 2 years ago
i can play hard with that technique and i only played for a few months its very easy to do hard and loud and clean if u play them everyday for an hour
fabman7 2 years ago 2
almoust all the drummers use triggers at deathmetal bands. but its not a problem aslong ur not tapping alot of people think u go faster with triggers but infact drumming with triggers is only harder cuz u hear everything so u hear all the mistakes aswell.. triggers just make the people hear wot u do and ur bandmembers hear wot u do :) if u do this technique with sliding its very fast and load enuf even without triggers
winter0heart 2 years ago 3
Yes, You are so smart, aren't You Mr Holmes? ; ) Death metal drummers like Roddy, Kollias, Inferno, Doc (RIP), Daray, Barker, Hellhammer and the others have spended a YEARS on practice and they are able to play FAST and HARD. They expect from triggers selective SOUND, but many "noob-drummers" used triggers to making fakes.
LordJelly 2 years ago
I dun quite understand ur entire consept of the comment. i am just saying the technique has enuf power and triggers only make it sound better but true there alot of tappers out there.
winter0heart 2 years ago
Peace brother! Practice, practice & one more god damn time PRACTICE! Firstly - skills, secondly - triggers(for better sound). Fuck all these fuckin tappers!!!
LordJelly 2 years ago
this is 100 percent correct people need to understand triggers on drums are like distrotion or evan amping on electric guitars it makes it so you have an electric bass drum and th module reads the vibration and plays the slected drum sample and no way is that cheating....u can mic up your bass drum with i eq high volume and get the same thing as tapping on triggs...so people need to get off the whole triggers are cheating... and you shouldnt evan use triggers unless u play over 230 bpm powrfly!
jamesdizzle420 2 years ago
awesome set, but bass drum sounds like oilcloth... guy propably like triggers sounds :D
8jasiu8 2 years ago
how do you do it so clean?
kacbubnjar 2 years ago
axis... iron cobra is the only other pedal that i know of that is useful with this method... i made my own method its a combo of heel up and swivel for sixteenths...
DCdrummer205 2 years ago
the bass drum sounds like you take 2 billiard balls and slam them together...
pretty fucking awesome though
BillyKidmann 2 years ago 2
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zelenispomin 2 years ago
muhahahahaaaaaa......... no-.-
HorschtMo 2 years ago
cool technique.....but yeah axis are the best out there..so responsive, if only i could afford some shit like that. ive got dw 4000s and have gotten quick on em cant wait to get somethin better
promatt50 2 years ago 2