Days that shook the world: Execution of Ann Boleyn (part2/3)

[mazellezes]

The most important differences in beliefs in Annes time was that the reformers believed you needed faith, not priests, repentance instead of penance, that the rituals of the catholic church (like praying to saints' bones/the virgin Mary)were idolatry/superstition, reformers believed everyone should be allowed to read/study the bible (catholics then only allowed the clergy access to the bible) & MOST of all= that you didn't need the pope/vaticans'/clergy's permission to get to heaven, just gods.

[victoria1987f]

At this time mass was still held for protestants. They kept a lot of catholic ways during chapel. Altar cloths, bejewelled crucifixes etc. The whole reform was just getting a foot in England at the time. Henry still creeped to the cross and kept quite a few popish traits. Its was henrys own middle way religion. She wasn't the radical fanatic reformer like later protestants such as john knoxs and the protector general cromwell for example.

[TheGoogoosh1980]

Henry is one of the few Royals that is not welcome on my walls in Stars Lounge!

Henry is a murderer and a WHORE! I'm so ashamed of my blood lines, because of that monster! May you rot in HELL Henry!

Ann is all over my walls, for ever. She have earned it in the most gruesome way!

[LaBoricua2591]

Why would Anne want to receive Mass? She was a Protestant and a reformer.

[WhiteBuddha]

@LaBoricua2591 I don't think she was a Protestant as we know it today. More like a middle of the road - between Catholicism and Protestantism - way of faith. Like victoria1987f said, much of the reformed faith still had Catholic elements.

[ConstanzeWeber]

@LaBoricua2591 WhiteBuddha is accurate that the lines between Catholicism and Protestantism were far more blurred than they are today. Anne had reformist views but was, by no means, a Lutheran. The establishment of the Church of England was not about removing Catholicism but more about removing Papal authority and establish the King as Head of the Church and thus enabling him to marry and divorce and he chose without reference to the Pope.

[rttoronto]

This is soooooo good.

[Mr1958louief]

I think the the King should be concerted a "Whore." To dismiss wife's, or Behead to make room next conquest, not to mention the other women he Enjoyed. That is a "Man Whore." Ann Boleyn did give birth to one of The Greatest Women to Ever Rule!!

[TheAmbiorixXx]

@Mr1958louief hear hear !!

[Mr1958louief]

@TheAmbiorixXx Thank You:) Funny how we call Women "Whores." Yet, Men haven't realized They are "Whores" also!! I love how "The Church" always called her " Whore." Her reign was "The Golden Age." I would take an "Whore" compared what we have running Countries Today.

[angieengo]

can you post other episodes of Days that shook the world as well please?

[ValiumandDolls]

anne could not be burned because aristocrats and royalty had the right to chose their method excecution. Burning was only for peasants.

[indigobluepics]

@ValiumandDolls

Not true. It was up to the king. Burning was for heresy and certain acts of treason, like a queen committing adultery. Mary I burned the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer! It has been speculated that Henry offered Anne beheading instead of burning for agreeing to an annulment, but when you consider that he ordered the executioner from France before Anne ever stood trial...

[ValiumandDolls]

@indigobluepics Mary I threw out a lot of rules as it suited her mood at the time. I'm almost positive and I've seen quite a few documentaries and I've even toured the Tower of London and they've all attested that beheading was a privelage reserved for royalty and aristocracy. The monarch my have reserved the right to over-rule this privelage in select cases. But burning an ordained Queen would've been out of the question.

[TheAmbiorixXx]

@ValiumandDolls you are correct, most common was a public hanging or being parted by pulling horses for severe crimes instead of petty ones. Beheading was a priviledge because it was quick and relatively painless (tho that very much depended on the sharpness of the blade and the "skill" of the executioner for the head had to be seperated at (i think the third) Cervical vertebrae in order to be swift and painless )

[TheAmbiorixXx]

@ValiumandDolls and in addendum, burning was usually preserved for people that where suspected of witchcraft or blasphemy or generally going against " gods law" and gods law was very much interchangable with teh law of the current leader/king

[bloodyserdcetea]

is it me or does it have a song from Sigur Ros?

[MusaMecanica]

@bloodyserdcetea

yup, i don´t know the title but it is by sigur ros.