On Avian Flu, Part II: Vaccines

[TransUnicorn]

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[Urgelt]

Evidence, TransUnicorn. Show me evidence.

Science is not, you will perceive, a field in which truth is established by authoritative pronouncement.

I know of no peer-reviewed studies which provide evidence for efficacy for amygdalin against cancer. If you do, please share them with me.

[TransUnicorn]

@Urgelt : You have access to the Web. Watch "World Without Cancer." Your blind faith in all matters governmental is astounding. One wonders how you've lived this long while retaining so much ill-placed trust. Peer reviewed? Are you a comedian? Mercury is used as a preservative in vaccinations and IS the cause of autism. Chemicals are being sprayed across the sky to terra-form the Earth by your priests of peer review.

[Urgelt]

You place your trust in a video, and distrust peer-reviewed science.

Eh. I don't trust all peer-reviewed science, either. Mistakes are made, sometimes. But to dismiss all of it... to refuse to apply the best tools we have for documenting evidence - begs the question of how you discover truth if you *don't* use them.

You're a chem-trails conspiracy theorist, as well?

Mayhap you'll do us both the favor of visiting someone else's videos. We aren't likely to agree on much.

[TransUnicorn]

@Urgelt : Science is fr. the Latin verb SCIRE meaning knowledge. It has nothing to do with the consecration of totalitarian government.

[Urgelt]

So you are saying that science consecrates totalitarian government?

Intellectually honest science does no such thing. It is a search for truth, nothing more, and it searches for truth by way of evidence.

Intellectually dishonest science, which is spun to support a particular viewpoint or desired outcome, is not science at all. There's another term for it: junk science.

There's a lot of junk science out there. I'm not suggesting you rely on any of it.

[kurtnils]

I know, I know.. your not a physician.. you just articulate thoughts very well.. and you are needed..

[kurtnils]

I voting for you to be on Obamas health acre reform commision! You would balance out other parties. Although I dont agree with much you are needed to bring clear balance!

[Urgelt]

I'm not convinced that balance is what we need, so much as truth. It's hard to get at the truth when special interests dominate mainstream media, generate slanted science, and own so many politicians.

The truth will set us free... and lies will enslave us.

[TheChicagoComedian]

Urgelt, what I find strange about epidemics.. when one seems to form, People go around blaming different races and contries, saying they caused it. thats why theres always an epidemic. were usually to mad at each other to work together, and stop the virus right there and then. Maybbe this virus will be better. but im not sure. we always are prepared to early, or to late. thats, how a pandemic starts, in my opinion. what do you say?

[Urgelt]

Well, I'm not big into blaming countries or races. The blame lies rather more specifically with agriculture: how fowls and pigs are raised and handled in many countries ensures that viruses will mix and be passed to people.

People are not going to give up eating chicken and pork, though. So these influenza strains are going to keep popping up. Some will be mild; others, less so.  And perhaps once in a century, or less often, we'll see a truly bad one.

[KansasRangers]

Strain 1 hits us, they then introduce Strain 2 into the population, and wala, 70% of your rush hour drivers are gone forever.

[Urgelt]

If you will look deeply into what science can tell us about Avian Influenza, you will come to understand that there is nothing engineered about the virus.

In a larger sense, however, your paranoia may be justified. There are people whose goals and lack of scruples would let them perpetrate a deliberate culling of humanity, if only they possessed the means to do it. Nor is there doubt that some people have the means. Thus far the two have not coincided, but there are no guarantees.

[wingsout64]

Vaccines could make the problem worse or cause other serious problems.

[Urgelt]

I doubt anyone will receive the vaccine who isn't a health care worker.

We can't know in advance if it will do any good, but the odds aren't good. Odds are a mutated strain capable of human-to-human transmission will not match the stockpiles of Avian Influenza vaccines currently on hand.

Vaccines do pose health risks. I've never heard of a vaccine directly worsening the effect of the virus against which it's intended to protect, though.

Then again, I'm not an expert.

[chocolate45689]

this is scary i have just started to find out about it we will have to be prepared if this happens

[Urgelt]

Being prepared, that's smart.

Being scared isn't terribly helpful.

Set aside your fear. If it happens - by no means a certain thing - we'll have to deal with it as best we can. Thinking rationally will be of more survival value than panic or despair. Be calm, be informed.

[GarlynX]

apprently I watched another video where the arthor of the video said not to take the Vaccine.....

[Urgelt]

Well, strictly speaking, I didn't advise whether or not to take it. I just said it probably wouldn't do much good.

There probably won't be enough vaccines for the general public, anyway.

Many or most medical professionals will have the option of receiving it, in the hope, possibly vain, that it might help keep medical services going during a pandemic.

The rest of us will have to avoid exposure, if we can.

[demensha23]

Vaccines aren't the "silver bullet" one would think. The adjuvants used are neurotoxic. Lots of research backs this up. Russel Blaylock MD has done extensive research on this. The use of antipyeretics (Tylenol,Ibuprofen) can actually prolong and Intensify the Illness. Influenza cannot replicate at Body Temperatures above 101F. Remember, Fever is your bodies defense mechanism. It's OK to reduce a really High fever! Don't "cook" your brain!

[Urgelt]

Vaccines are certainly not a "silver bullet" for all infectious diseases. They've proved pretty useful for some, however.

The art of producing safe vaccines is not as advanced as I would like to see, however.

You're right about fever, but it's also true that prolonged or extremely high fever can damage brain cells, which are quite sensitive to temperature, or even produce death. Anyone experiencing a high fever should see a doctor immediately, in my opinion.

[LuisLomeliMD]

I greatly fear an H5N1 avian flu pandemic that becomes transmissible from person to person. H5N1 is highly pathogenic and deadly. A sustained human to human transmission may present a serious public health risk as well as serious economic consequences. Anti-viral drugs exist but must be given within 24 hours from onset of symptoms. If an Avian flu pandemic develops, it may take over a month for the H5N1 flu to become recognized by doctors and government. Great topic, a favorite. Thanks.

[Urgelt]

I think it's wise to have a healthy respect for the genuine danger H5N1 could pose.

Fear, though, is counterproductive. Better to be calm, and plan how you'll respond if one gets loose.

H5N1 may lose some of its deadliness if it becomes transmissible - we'll see.

It's interesting to contemplate the possibilities. The more deadly a disease, the more rapidly it can be identified and cases isolated. A transmissible H5N1 will actually infect *more* people if it becomes milder or slower-acting.

[5starrater1]

Really well explained. I heard that hundreds of thousands of vaccinations are being manufactured in China. I thought that this could not be done. Have you heard anything about this?

[Urgelt]

I hadn't heard, but it doesn't surprise me.

China is one of the hot spots where human populations frequently come into direct contact with domesticated birds. A pandemic could start there, and they know it.

Any vaccine made today, in China or elsewhere, is for an existing avian strain. An avian-strain vaccine might not work against a mutated pandemic virus. When flu viruses mutate, they often change their protein coating, rendering older vaccines moot.

[not3but1]

what im wondering is if the virus occurs naturally on these animals?

or is the virus moving to fast for us to contain it yet?

[Urgelt]

Answering:

1) Yes, it's a natural virus.

2) Avian flu has not yet achieved the ability to transmit itself readily between humans. So the question is, *if* it gains that ability - which is not at all certain - can it be contained?

Maybe.

Containment worked on smallpox (now extinct in humans), but influenza viruses move more quickly. We've never tried to contain a flu virus before.

Experts at the World Health Organization are planning to give it a world-class try, if it adapts to humans.

[not3but1]

oh that makes more sense

thanks for the information its much apreshiated

[jon195511]

Again, thank you for presenting this information in such an easily understood way.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to those who choose to attack the messenger rather than paying attention to the message...

You know what I mean.

Great job man!

[Urgelt]

Thanks, Jon, much appreciated.

[thomasbhunter007]

What are you? A cult leader? A professor?

[Urgelt]

Neither.

What are you? A person who makes snap judgments and assigns people to pigeon-holes based on appearance?

[thomasbhunter007]

Methinks thou does protesth too much.

[Urgelt]

Heh, just making a snap judgment. I'm an ape, I imitate.

[thomasbhunter007]

cheers

[eclipsegts03]

yah today at work we had meeting they said in 5 years that this is might hit the world they where giving it out for free with our health care for excelon so if we sign up they give it to all the workers for excelon so this might be coming. they gave use a big box of mask and other sterilizing stuff. thanks for the video.

[Urgelt]

Good to hear that your employer is taking precautions and training its workforce.

Pandemics can rage like a wildfire through an ill-informed, unprepared population. But if we're well-informed and well-prepared, a pandemic will have a hard time gaining a foothold.

[apaszta]

I read that potential relief on the Tamiflu supplies could be made via augmentation along with probenicid. This drug was initially found to extend penicillin supplies by reducing dosage needed in treatment.

Roche apparantly found that Tamiflu could lengthen the time it circulated in the body by this co-administration.

Knowing what bastards the Roche follk are, I don't see them advertising this fact any time soon. However, it may be worth researchers to attempt replication of these findings

[Urgelt]

Tamiflu has risks, and messing with excretion might exacerbate them. Speaking for myself, I'd want not only replication, but safety studies - something that is simply not done enough with pharmaceuticals, at least in the US.

In any event, there is not going to be anything like enough Tamiflu to protect even medical workers, even if Probenicid works and is safe in combination. If a pandemic strikes, good training is going to have to carry the brunt.

[passwordthisasspart2]

If avian flu starts killing people it is because the government made it happen and the vaccines will also be contaminated !

[davidchenard]

The Pentagon ordered $58 million of Tamiflu for troops. Then, Bush ordered states to buy over $500 million of Tamiflu. Tamiflu is manufactured and marketed by Roche, and Glead receives a 10% royalty. Rumsfeld served as chairman of Gilead before joining the Bush administration and still holds between $5 and 25 million in the company. He reportedly sold shares worth $5 million in 2005.

[Urgelt]

Tamiflu is an anti-viral drug (not a vaccine).

That happens to be a class of drugs that *might* be effective in treating whatever strain of H5N1 might emerge.

But as a class, anti-virals are a long way from being perfected for human consumption. Side-effects are strange and dangerous. You sure can't just inject them into medical personnel and send them back to work.

Interrupting physical transmission remains the best solution, I think.

[davidchenard]

What you say is true, but I'm just pointing out a motive to create an unwarrented scare about H5N1. H5N1 doesn't appear to be anything worth worrying about to me.

[Urgelt]

Concern is appropriate - H5N1 seems to be following approximately the same evolutionary track as the bug that went endemic in 1918.

But yeah, I don't think it's going to cull a hundred million of us.

The key is organization and communication. We can detect an outbreak in most places pretty fast now, and contain it.

But we should be concerned; if citizens don't care, governments won't, either, and then all bets are off.

[davidchenard]

Not according to Dr. Julie Gerberding, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta who said, "There is no evidence it will be the next pandemic", and there is "no evidence it is evolving in a direction that is becoming more transmissible to people."

[davidchenard]

Richard Raymond, an undersecretary at the U.S. Department of Agriculture said "Cooking meat to 160 degrees will destroy the virus" -- in addition to destroying salmonella, "which sickens more people than H5N1 ever will even if there is a pandemic."

[Urgelt]

Of course there is no evidence it will be the next pandemic. It's a speculative threat, not an historical fact.

A survey of WHO doctors produced a wide variety of opinions. Statistically, their confidence in the eventual arrival of an H5N1 pandemic was 15%. But even that is only an opinion. Not evidence.

[Urgelt]

Still, science has found out quite a lot about about how influenza mutates, and how past pandemics happened. It's in light of that knowledge that concern about H5N1 is being raised.

H5N1 is rampaging through the world's birds, producing astronomical amounts of viruses. New strains *are* appearing. One or more of them *might* become transmissible between humans. We will see.

[davidchenard]

The statistics regarding the opinions of scientists is not science and is irrelevent. Of course anything is possible, but the probablility H5N1 will mutate into a human transmissable disease does not warrent the fear that has been raised while an extensive list of greater threats to human health goes totally ignored.

[Urgelt]

I agree, it's not science. It's the opinions of scientists. We're drawing on the intuition of people who know a great deal about the subject.

I think that's forgivable. We don't have a better source of information about what might happen.

But I agree, fear-mongering is dumb and pointless. And for sure, there are far greater threats. My purpose in these videos is to calm fears and inform. An informed citizenry is harder to panic.

[davidchenard]

Then thank you. Fear mongering is more profitable than stupid though. Rumsfeld has made plenty with his stock in Gilead - the developers of Tamiflu. He worked for them just before Bush. And if we learned anything from the history of science, it is that scientists are wrong a lot! I meant A LOT A LOT! Not that there is anything wrong with science, but where do we dig up some of these clowns who peddle crap science with a scary thesis to get research grants?

[vaccinesharmbabies]

The World Health Organisation is unlikely to even WANT to contain an avian flu pandemic, because the WHO is a tool used to implement a world depopulation agenda. It has already promoted "for-women-only" "tetanus" vaccines which cause women to abort. I won't hold my breath waiting for an effective bird flu vaccine. It would be the world's first effective vaccine, as all previous vaccines have proven ineffective.

[Percy203]

i'm no expert on this, but i found some quite shocking info at w*ww.truthmed.*org (delete the *'s)

[Percy203]

most modern vaccines are long term poisons, especially ones that are designed to be strong enough to combat bird flu. Tamiflu is a very very potent drug.

Apparently intravenous vitamin c has shown some surprisingly positive results, along with Hydrogen Peroxide.

But as they are as cheap as chips, no drug company will go near them

[Urgelt]

The idea of vaccines as poisons is not mainstream. But I admit to concern about some of the ingredients they are putting into vaccines as preservatives and to provide liquid bulk. I have a feeling that science will eventually conclude some of those ingredients aren't such a good idea.

In the long term, vaccines may fall out of favor. Viruses mutate too easily. Better solutions will probably be found as we decipher how viruses attack cells and how to interrupt them.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

"science will eventually conclude some of those ingredients aren't such a good idea."

We don't need science to tell us the obvious. "Vaccines contain ingedients which are so noxious they should NIT EVER be injected into a human being." Australian scientist and vaccine researcher Dr Viera Scheibner.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Vaccines are indeed poisons and of absolutely no value whatsoever. They are promoted by ruthless psychopaths and their so-called "health professionals" who are their willing fools and useful idiots.

[TaintedWisdom]

Hi,I would like to mention that as a med student and someone who has given speeches about the dangers of the H5NI Virus and it's genetic drifts. I think you would like to know that there is an OFFICIAL approved vaccines already and it's being stockpiled. Furthermore, while is not something which will be given to everyone ahead of time, is simply a measure to control a pandemic and isolate it to a small sector and increase the survivability of those around.

[TaintedWisdom]

Please also note this virus has not get mutated (or has the slightest sign) of mutating to such a pandemic strain. Furthermore, people who come in contact with the virus don't necessarily die (more than 50% infected have survived and created their own antibodies unlike the Spanish influenza which literally decimated the world).

[Urgelt]

Your advice is contrary to the experts at the World Health Organization, who estimate a 15% chance of a pandemic arising from Avian Influenze within the next few years.

Your number is incorrect. More than half those who have contracted Avian Flu in its nontransmissible form have died. Visit the links I furnished for more information.

[theseekerz]

The experts at WHO - LOL!! You mean the corrupt bureaucrats whose agenda is to wipe out half the population of the world and at the same time pad the pocketbooks of the elite industrialists like Rumsfeld who has profited millions from his stock in Tamiflu. This pandemic is a f***ing hoax. More people die from crossing the street. Just build up your

immunity naturally thru proper lifestyle choices and you won't need to shoot up with contaminated blood products.

[Urgelt]

The TED link in the text box in the first video in this series will introduce you to one of those WHO experts - a doctor who coordinated the extermination of smallpox. Please see it.

While I will not argue that WHO is a perfect institution, I will argue that their Bird Flu strategy is the right one. WHO is pushing early detection, isolation, and information sharing.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

On the surface the WHO is seen to do "the right thing", but its unoffical policy is - in the words of Dr. A . Kalokerinos - one of murder and of genocide." Keep that in mind when it offers you a bird flu vaccine!

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Well said. Most people are asleep at the wheel while this shit is being put though the final planning stages

[vaccinesharmbabies]

The WHO may know something we don't, namely when the "bird flu" pandemic has been planned to erupt.

[theseekerz]

The Spanish flu was actually caused by experimental warfare agents that were carried around the world via the jet-stream. Think about it - they didn't have the shipping services back then that we presently have to enable a virus to travel to far reaching areas with such speed. The vaccine itself was responsible for many of the deaths that resulted. The fact that viruses constantly mutate proves that the "experts" cannot foretell what strain will be prevalent for next year's flu shots.

[Urgelt]

I agree that experts can't foretell which strain may hit next year.

The rest of your comment is nonsensical. The flu virus can't survive to travel "via the jet stream." It dies within a few feet of leaving a body. As for its speed, the pandemic took about 18 months to reach most industrialized countries - riding in humans all the way.

[theseekerz]

Nonsensical? I don't think you give bacteria enough credit for its ability to survive no matter what man throws at it. What do scientists really know about viruses, germs and bacteria when they can't even come up with a cure for the common cold? The medical industry boast of vaccines for nearly every disease known to man, but with epidemics of these same diseases (old and new variants) running rampant, you have to ask yourself if their preventative measures aren't creating the problem.

[theseekerz]

In Alaska, some villages were virtually wiped out by the Spanish flu. Being that they were located in a permafrost region where where the ground never thaws, I think it's safe to assume not many travelers had this destination in mind back then. The Wright Brothers didn't get off the ground till 1903 so it's unlikely the virus was spread by jet-setting vacationers and businessmen.

[theseekerz]

The following are excerpts from a Scientific Digest probing the possibility that viruses travel thousands of miles on the winds. Their assumption is that there is a whole ecosystem of microbial metropolises up in the skies that remain undiscovered. They state there is growing evidence that bacteria, fungal spores and viruses may spend large amounts of time, even their entire lives, in the air riding clouds across the planet.

[theseekerz]

>Until recently, nobody believed that bacteria and viruses spent much more time in the air than it takes to sneeze on your neighbour. Scientists assumed that if the material got caught up in the winds, it would quickly be killed by ultraviolet radiation from the sun.The US Geological Survey has examined their airborne lifestyle in detail and says that the bacteria seem to protect themselves from harmful rays by becoming attached to dust particles.

[theseekerz]

In dust clouds, the amount of UV radiation will be lower than in "normal" situations. They can survive traveling long distances, and spread disease on arrival. The USGS has discovered that bacteria and fungi carried aloft on dust storms coming out of West Africa can journey across the Atlantic in large numbers and are likely responsible for a series of dramatic epidemics among Caribbean coral reefs in recent years.

[theseekerz]

They also suggest the epidemic of foot-and-mouth disease in Britain in 2001 may have arrived on winds from Africa. The first case of the disease was reported in February 2001, just a week after satellite pictures had shown a huge dust storm carrying sand from the Sahara to Britain. A previous outbreak of foot-and-mouth in Britain was traced to the virus blowing across the English Channel from France. So why not a longer journey?

[theseekerz]

One major route for the bugs to enter into the atmosphere is in smoke from forest and bush fires. Another is dust storms. On the oceans, tiny bacteria and plankton on the water's surface may gain lift-off after getting caught in the air bubbles of whitecaps.

[Urgelt]

Fascinating comments, theseekerz, thank you for contributing them.

Some viruses do better in air transmission than others. Influenza sucks at it. But to say that none could ever be transmitted through the air over great distances would be going too far.

It's a game of probabilities. The odds against infection from afar must be thought very low for any particular influenza strain. The big risk is within 6 feet of an infected person.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

You got that almost but not quite right. The "Spanish" flu epidemic of 1918 was caused by the mass vaccination programmes carried out on demoralised (by the war) and malnourished populations. It was consequently (like AIDS) a manmade disease.

[TaintedWisdom]

Lastly, while I haven't been able to watch your other video, I'm a bit worried as to what you going to suggest as a way to protect yourself from this virus (that is to say if it were to mutate to a human to human/airborne virus which is being implied here and is very unlikely)

[TaintedWisdom]

Sorry if any of this sounds harsh, but this subject has been exaggerated a bit and is one of the main reasons why the medical world does not release info to the media/public unless is necessary. This virus is quite laughable to the strains of many other common virus held at banks right now.

[TaintedWisdom]

There are many points in your video which could be argued/would prove to be wrong and I could easily provide sources be it from medical encyclopedias to recent research. However, I truly respect your videos and the time you take to research around and find this information. Is better for the public to be informed even if the information isn't to scientific than not be informed at all. Sadly, the laymen takes these subjects and makes them into a huge end of the world event.

[TaintedWisdom]

Urgelt if you truly want to shock the world with something thats going on right now and effecting the live of everyone is the straight up scientific evidence that HIV is NOT the cause of AIDS (even an junior high school student can see why when you put enough time into it). Please do some research into this and inform the world about the true killer behind HIV and AIDS (get ready to be shocked) I would do it myself but I don't have fans or the amazing voice to convey such message.

[Urgelt]

Sources, please.

[Urgelt]

I have not made Avian Flu into a huge "end of the world event." I'm very laid back about the prospect of a pandemic - even though one is very likely to happen within this or the next two generations, according to the experts. It's possible to cope - one only needs to understand what a pandemic is and what one can do to prepare.

[Urgelt]

In terms of lethality, there are worse viruses.

But the more lethal a virus, the quicker it is noticed and the quicker it burns out. The largest danger to populations actually comes from less lethal viruses which permit their hosts to survive long enough to spread the infection.

The worst case scenario for Bird Flu is a *less* lethal transmissible strain.

[Urgelt]

It's already an airborne virus, like all influenza viruses. It accesses cell receptors in humans which are located very deep in the lungs - hard for it to reach in infecting quantities. Human transmissible influenza access cell receptors in the nose and throat, and so is more readily transmissible. It's possible for the nontransmissible virus to acquire that trait.

[Urgelt]

The vaccines being stockpiled are for a nontransmissible strain. It will be given to health care workers if a pandemic starts. The effectiveness of the vaccine is unknown - since H5N1 will have to mutate to become transmissible, its protein coat may change, rendering the vaccine ineffective.

The best protection for health care workers during a pandemic will be N-95 and better respirators.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Your wisdom may indeed be tainted if my view of things is right! I suspect that this whole bird flu thing including vaccinations, antivirals and draconian legislation supposedly to deal with a pandemic is part of a world population control and reduction agenda. Watch Dr Ayoub's youtube presentation: Mercury, Vaccines and the Global Vaccine Agenda" and the youtube video "The greatest secret part 7: AIDS< Vaccines and Fluoride."

[littleanomaly]

you are right on the money about this...in the city I've been doing my clincals in we have experienced a shortage of just regular flu vaccinations every year because pharmacutical companies only make what they are absolutely sure they can sell...healthcare workers such as myself get one, but there's nothing left for the reast of the city...many doctor's offices even have trouble getting a hold of them in time.

[Urgelt]

Agreed; but even if we could produce, say, 12 billion doses a year, a deadly flu strain is likely to move a lot faster than the 2-3 years it would take to prove a new vaccine safe and effective and produce enough doses to be meaningful, every time a new strain emerges. That's too slow.

Isolation of deadly strains when they appear remains our best hope for now. In the longer term, I'd put more faith in development of new, broadly effective antivirals than in vaccines.

[theseekerz]

I'll put my faith in our Creator who designed the human anatomy and its immunity, over that of a franken-scientist concocting serums from foreign DNA and toxic chemicals to make others rich.

[Urgelt]

The human immune system copes well with some threats. Others, it does not. Like ourselves, it's imperfect.

Also imperfect are our scientifically-derived solutions and our industrial/political mechanisms for delivering them.

The thrust of this series is to highlight how avoiding exposure and being informed are the strategies most likely to succeed in a pandemic.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

The immune system is perfectly capable of dealing with challengs as long as one's attitude and nutrition is up to scratch, including adequate levels of minerals, enzymes, vitamins, sunshine, clean air and water.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

"I'd put more faith in development of new, broadly effective antivirals than in vaccines."

I would avoid vaccines and antivirals, except Vitamic C.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Avoid flu shots - they are useless and dangerous. "People who get the flu shot five years in a row have a ten-fold increased risk of contracting Alzheimers."

US neurosurgeon of 26 years Dr. R. Blaylock MD.

[Slayer7666COF]

tough even if you protect from one or two human transmitable variants, more could occure any time, people need to remember that a virus adapts well to its environments and that things like not finishing your antibiotics can streingten the Bacteria and make it leathal for and one who is infected by the new variant, virus are only slower but they evolve also. what if 15 variants comes out in different parts of the world? in 12 years most people will die twice probaly...

[Urgelt]

I'm hopeful that interdiction will keep the deadly bugs isolated. But you're right, if one human transmissible strain can emerge, more could, too. Health workers may find their hands full if they start appearing in multiples.

[heyjb123]

I got into somthing that now worries me and wish someone could elimanate my fears. About 8 months ago I bought someone's aviry with about 30 cockatiels and some have died but I assumed it was the cold or there age. Am I in danger more so as a result of raising them and there cluth's? Thanks for any responses.

[Urgelt]

I would recommend that you spend some time at the links I provided, Heyjb123, and get up to speed on precautions that are being taken by handlers of birds.

However, I will offer an inexpert opinion. If no new birds have been added, and the ones that are there have no contact with wild birds, then any avian flu that was present in the group has either killed individual birds by now, or was survived and is no longer infectious.

[heyjb123]

Thank You Mister Urgelt what a relief but I searched all 3 of the videos and found 0 links. Where should I look? Thanks for your help. Jon

[Urgelt]

Jon, there are links on all 3 videos, in the text box to the right of the video window. (Click "more" to see the entire text box.) The links on the third video will take you to the sites you most need to explore.

[theseekerz]

Don't fear the West Nile virus or the bird flu, etc. Fear the government who instills needless fear and confusion over these supposed threats. Can't say about cockatiels but I have irrefutable evidence that many birds are dying from either pesticide poisoning, contaminated food/water, drugs/vaccines or a weakened immunity due to the horrendous living conditions they are subjected to.

As with man, animals should be fed organic products, purified water, exercised and loved.

[Urgelt]

It's certainly true that wild birds have died of exposure to human-produced toxins. We have some nasty industrial habits that are bad for the biosphere.

But viruses are not to be so easily dismissed. Long before industrialization, pandemics regularly swept through both animal and human populations. Viruses are a source of danger.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

You are so right! There hasn't been a single case of mad cow disease on organic farms, and in his classic "An Agricultural Testament" Sir Alfred Howard describes how cattle fed on seaweed-fertilised pastures were immune to foot and mouth disease even when their snouts were touching those of infected animals over the fence.

[Veryvery77]

A fantastic series, Urgelt. This trio is the first videos of yours I've had the pleasure to view, and I will be subscribing to you to ensure that I can watch the rest of them.

YouTube is blessed to have such a valuable member among us. I will certainly try to discuss this with my family, since we have satisfied none of the precautions - our food is enough to get us through a week or two, but there is not enough stored to provide for a month or more.

- Matt

[sukraloosi]

typo

[sukraloosi]

These are videos are very interesting to listen!

[Urgelt]

Thank you, Sukraloosi.

[Elvesong7]

You are a very talented writer and speaker.

I wish I had teachers that were like you.

[Urgelt]

Teachers have a much harder job than I do. It's one thing to script and create a short video. It's something else again to be in front of a class for many hours every day. That's a tough job! :-)

[erkawhale]

You're welcome sir. :)

[KennyWrites]

It's good to be prepared for a wide variety of socially disruptive disasters. Bad things do happen, even if it's not on a pandemic scale. I'm going now to see what you have to say in part three...

[KobyBrandt]

Very well-presented, interesting, and informative Urgelt. I appreciate all the time, effort, and research that you put into producing this illuminating video and the previous one.

My comment: The mathematics don't sound very good as far as containment goes. Mother nature may give us all some trouble here...as is her usual modus operandi.

[Urgelt]

It will be tricky, agreed.

But let's not forget modern communications. Unlike 1918, we won't be in any doubt about what is happening, where, and when. Information is going to be very important to interrupting virus transmission.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

If you ae healthy the virus is not going to be a problem - unless it is a weaponised virus, that is genetically engineered in a biowarfare laboratory.

[Cubit100]

If vacines are too slow, and the virus spreads easily, eventually, everyone will be exposed. A strategy might be to prepare the best home treament environment, and then deliberately expose one's self to the virus. If one survives, one could then be able to play a role in emergency public services.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Vaccines won't be "too slow", they will be not only useless but also very dangerous.

[Cubit100]

I should have been clearer. I was trying to say that the development and production time of a vaccine for a deadly pandemic would be too slow. Thus, everyone would be exposed to the virus before a vaccine was available. The dangers of a vaccine need to be weighed against the danger of the virus. I don't get routine flu shots, but if ebola were spreading and a vaccine was available, I think I woud take the vaccine.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

According to Dr L Horowitz, Ebola is manmade. All vaccines are useless and dangerous. I wouldn't have one if I was given a million dollars to get injected.

[baybea]

Very informative. :)

This is a very naive question but...how exactly does one acquire the Avian Flu? I know there have been some over in Asia who have and who work closely with birds, but how exactly do they contract it?

[Urgelt]

Infected birds shed the virus. Humans do have receptors for the virus, they just aren't optimally placed (upper respiratory tract) for easy human-to-human transmission.

The virus could infect a human through handling or ingesting bird feces, uncooked meat, uncooked eggs, or by handling live infected birds, or drinking water where birds have defecated. Poor sanitary practices and a complete lack of precautions probably account for most cases.

[baybea]

ok ty.

I didn't think it could be contracted once the bird is cooked so ingestion wouldn't be the way. Then probably, by handling the birds who are infected, and not washing hands then, perhaps, wiping a mouth with infected fingers could do it then. Thank you Urgelt :)

[nayomee77]

I just saw this and yeah i remember being warned when we went to Malaysia about chicken. I was too scared to eat it incase it was undercooked.

Anyway sorry it's taken me so long to get to this vid.

Haven't been on here much lately.

Good job again on another Great vid! Scary stuff tho.

*HUGS*

[Urgelt]

I think if you understand the danger, you can avoid it, which is why I posted this series.

It's no good relying on vaccines, as I explained in Part II. Part III will arm you with what you need to know to avoid infection if a pandemic comes.

Thanks for commenting, Naomi. *Hugs*

[nayomee77]

Yeah..still i wonder about it getting to the point where it might be contagious from human contact. But my heads not workin properly and can't remember much of what u said in last vid.

I'm sorry i didn't answer on W/L it was muckin and so logged off then back on and started downloading the newest version and it logged me out automatically.

4am now and very tired so i'm gonna go to bed. *HUGS*

[Urgelt]

It's ok, Naomi. Hope you can sleep well. *Hugs*

[stormrider1984]

Thank you Urgelt for putting it all into perspective like that. Everyone I know goes off on the "we're all going to die" rants about the Avian flu, but watching your videos helped tone it down a whole lot for me. Looking forward to part three, thanks again.

[Urgelt]

Ah, excellent. That's exactly what I was hoping to achieve - an unexciting, unsensational discussion of a very real risk. It's a risk we can prepare for and handle, in my view.

Thank you for your comment, Stormrider1984.

[TheREALBoris]

thanx urgelt! i hope to see part 3 soon. :D

[Urgelt]

Soon it will be, I hope to have it up later this weekend.

[Sumduhmguy]

As I stated in part 1, There will be a pandemic soon or later. Vaccine production is not up to the volume that is needed for a global pandemic. Modern transportation is to fast for containment. The flu bug can go from Bangkok to New York in less then a day. Another great video. Keep up the good work.

[Urgelt]

Yep, vaccines won't be much of a factor, I think.

But information will be. Knowledge is always power. If we know when it's not safe to mingle, we can interrupt the free transmission of the virus. Containment and isolation can do a lot of good.

It pays to do a bit of planning so we know what to do and are prepared.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Keep away from vaccines and Tamiflu!

[dancingsprite]

As a parrot owner, it worries be greatly :(

[Urgelt]

If you keep your parrot indoors, away from other birds, the parrot won't become infected with avian flu. No worries, Dancingsprite.

[dancingsprite]

My worries are that that fact won't stop government freaks from over-reacting and rounding up pet birds :P

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Governments are run by psychopahs. They have extermiated thousands of cattle during a planned foot-and-mouth outbreak, and now want to slaughter all British badgers (!), blaming them for spreading TB.

[BigBrotherMateyka]

Thank you so much for these videos. They are educational, unbiased, and very interesting. We should be exposing young students to this type of information. Again, thanks for posting. :)

Stay well,

~Mike

[Urgelt]

Thanks, Mike, for your kind words.

I've been reading about human cases of avian flu in the news for many months, but the context wasn't obvious to me. What is the actual risk? What about vaccines? Is there anything useful we should be doing?

Some of the answers surprised me - such as the relative unimportance of vaccines in confronting a pandemic. They just won't be ready fast enough.

I'm glad you share my interest.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Vaccines will play an important role not in preventing a pandemic, but in adding chaos and morbity in the case of a bird flu pandemic.

The WHO has already donated US$2 million to 4 adjoining SE Asian countries to start building bird flu vaccine plants with the capacity to produce enough vaccines to injct their entire populations. If the bird flu happens it will be by design, not by accident!

[leftofleft]

Can't wait for part three, thanks

[Urgelt]

I'll be glad to get it done, too. It should be up this weekend.

[stumpie2]

your good at explaining it , thanks

[Urgelt]

I'm glad you think so, Stumpie2, thank you.

[kenrg]

I am pleased to hear of the containment strategy, even with it's potential faults, and look forward to the next video in this series.

[Urgelt]

Education and containment played a huge role in the eradication of the smallpox virus.

WHO and national governments know exactly what has to be done, and they are taking the threat very, very seriously. They know the stakes are high.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

"Education and containment played a huge role in the eradication of the smallpox virus."

Smallpox declined as a result of improved living conditions, and strict quarantine and disinfection measures, after vaccination programmes had proven worthless.

I don't share your trust in the WHO and national governments. In my opinion they are all a part of the crime syndicate that runs the world. "The unofficial policy of the WHO is one of murder and of genocide." Dr. A Kalokerinos, Australia

[stumpie2]

thanks for shareing your knowledge,

[Urgelt]

Most welcome, Stumpie2, though I hesitate to claim any of this as "my" knowledge. It's human knowledge. Others brought the information to the net, and I'm just summarizing for my viewers.

[Fakenstien]

Man, its things like these that make me glad I live in the far off country of New Zealand, although if the Human to Human virus starts here then im screwed

[Fakenstien]

Oh and another thing Id like to add, I know it sounds cruel but wouldn't killing everyone and everything infected with the virus be a good way of preventing it?

[Urgelt]

It remains to be seen if an island nation like New Zealand will be safer, or more at risk, during a pandemic. I've seen both viewpoints argued.

There's no need to kill people who have been identified with a human-transmissible infection. Isolation and simple precautions are more than adequate. The danger comes from people who are infected and *not* identified.  They can pass on the infection freely.

[Fakenstien]

I think I depends where the human to human strain starts as to wether or not island nations will be safer

[Urgelt]

The odds are reasonably high that it will start in China, if it starts at all.

If a single person with a human-transmissible strain gets on a plane for New Zealand, by arrival everyone on the plane is likely to have the disease.

Where it starts may not be as important as how quickly we shut down air travel once we've figured out a pandemic has started.

[Fakenstien]

I see.

Do you have any idea what the chances of geting the virus once the pandemic starts if you are careful and only leave home when absolutly necessary. And do you have any Idea how long it would last?

[Urgelt]

World-wide a pandemic might last for a couple of years, but in a single community it's likely to be over much more quickly, I think. A few months perhaps, at most.

Your government will tell you what precautions to take and when it is safe to leave your home as the threat level changes.  Anything I can tell you now is generic, useful for planning only.

I'll offer my suggestions in Part III.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Beware of your government. If there is a bird flu pandemic it is likely to have been organised with a certain purpose in mind; government's - willing or not - are going to be complicit in this. Be suspicious of everything the authorities say or do, and absolutely refuse to take any drugs or vaccines. Take large doses of vitamin C, preferably sodium ascorbate.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Helen Clark may already have a body bag with your name on it ready for you, because the government has already purchased 30 000 of them to be prepared! Not to worry, just make sure you don't let them give you a flu shot or you may end up in the body bag sooner than you think!

[schantifreund]

About that backscene: when we had our H5N1-hysteria, they praised the medicament TAMIFLU. It was sold out in NO TIME. it was good for the pharmaceutical industry. but in the end? No one died. No one got really infected. i will not dare to underestimate H5N1...but...well....

[Urgelt]

Right.  The virus hasn't produced a human-to-human tranmissible strain yet. It might not do it at all, or if it does, the WHO "early detection, early response" strategy of quick isolation may succeed in containing it.

Tamiflu and other anti-viral medications may prove helpful in blocking the progress of the disease - but in a real pandemic we'd quickly run out of these drugs.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

No, it's absolutely ridiculous. The bird flu has supposedly killed about 200 people world-wide, over the past three years. In New Zealand, 1500 people die as a result of medical errors EVERY YEAR! Yet in New Zealand people were told that if the bird flu showed signs of escalating, the borders would be closed and mass graves would be dug! Tamiflu and 30,000 body bags have already been stockpiled by the government in anticipation!

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Donald Rumsfield, member of the crime syndiate that runs America, is the major shareholder in the company which holds the patent for the useless and dangerous drug Tamiflu.

[JamJells]

What do you think is the possible chance we would be able to stop this if it catches fire? Too many are too dependant on their jobs or social habits to hide away and

quarantine themselves. Looking forward to part three. We are overdue for something to knock down our species and a pandemic seems very possible in these times. Who knows for sure till it happens. Peace

[Urgelt]

A pandemic, even the worst kind, will play itself out.

A human-transmissible virus has to overcome two problems: getting from human to human, and overcoming the human immune system. When no-one is resistant or taking precautions it's like a kid in a candy store, but that won't last.

We'll defeat it. But we could take some losses before it burns out.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

Like the 1918 flu pandemic, the avian flu pandemic - should it happen - will be a manmade event. It's all about population control and reduction, as are vaccination programmes such as the one against HPV promoted for young girls. The thing to keep in mind about a bird flu shot is that the prevention (by vaccination) is likely to be more dangerous than the disease; in fact, the vaccine may well be used to spread the diseases it is meant to prevent. Avoid the shots like the plague!