Kitzmiller vs. Dover

[H4L0K1LL4]

over dramatasing is more accurate, Intelligent Desighn never stood a chance

[gooddarkjedi]

only prolem that i have with religion, is when it calims to be true.

[fightforfair]

American reject God Blessing? America is the next Israel

God Bless China, Planet Mars belong to China

Science also never bring peace on this planet, War NEVER Stop, only God able to save you from science stuff LOL~~~

[rastarigate]

@fightforfair

are you on drugs?

[fightforfair]

@rastarigate

If American don't want God Bless America, this is what going to happen now Fallen America~~~ Let the outsider became your leader (OBAMA)

[rastarigate]

@fightforfair 

Sure, it's always "fallen" America and the President or leader of the day is always the Antichrist. Plus, Jesus will return soon and kill all unbelievers eventually in Armageddon.

It was the same way when I was in a fundamentalist church, except the "evil one" du jour was Ronald Reagan, and the Roman Catholic Church was Mystery Babylon the Great.

I have heard it all before. The reason I left the church was because I realized that it was nothing but insane and paranoid ramblings.

[fightforfair]

@rastarigate

In the end most atheist join Buddha, so you're telling your children "There is no god"

[rastarigate]

@fightforfair

No, in the end, most atheist don't "join" anything. They think for themselves. Also they don't allow witch doctors, mystics, preachers, popes and shaman tell them what truth is.

They also teach their children to *think* and not be fooled by superstition.

Buddha has nothing to do with it.

[themightygermanman]

@fightforfair ehh are you saying that religion brings peace !? 

[fightforfair]

@themightygermanman

Atheist (believe there is no god) = Religion

Atheist worst Nightmare in Friendships & Marriage

Atheist Bless America? Atheist can't Love Enemy

[solorak]

@fightforfair

Atheism is not believing in God. If i'm not believing in anything how can it be a religion?

I also don't understand why atheists cannot have love and friendship, i assume you think that all atheists are puppy drowning, baby eaters.

[fightforfair]

@solorak

If somebody not believing in anything = Impossible

To believe foods solve hungry

To believe someone can be trust

Seeing is believing

Evolution have nothing to proof but Atheist have faith to believe it for reject GOD

[solorak]

@fightforfair

I only said i don't believe in God that does not mean that believe in other things.

there is a difference between belief based on faith and belief based on evidence. Food can be shown to exist God cannot.

[rkyeun]

@fightforfair

When your religion makes claims about the physical nature of the universe that are false, your religion is wrong. When your religion claims the error is the infallible work of a god who is always correct, your god does not exist.

No faith is needed.

[ducatidave5]

@fightforfair ...wrong on all 3 counts. As an athiest, I believe in no fictitious god character, thus, no religion. I have friends...and I am married. Soooo...there ya have it.

[Nilopollis]

reality ftw

[vtun707]

this is so stupid, science isn't everything, people! don't worship it like god or anything because 20 years from now, how we look at science and evolution may be completely different! science is never reliable because we're always finding out new things and later realizing "hey, what we thought last century was completely wrong!"

[Ravendov]

Thats what MAKES science reliable you idiot. Its constantly improving and able to admit its wrong. Unlike your Bronze Age texts.

[vtun707]

Did you hear about the scientist who fed his kid aspirin so many times that he died?

Did you hear that scientists have discovered use for almost every single "vestigial" organ in the body?

"Able to admit it's wrong" means nothing if it will only admit it once it's found something wrong with it. Which by the way is always. There is always something wrong with science, that's why it's never reliable.

[Ravendov]

Strawmen, all of them. If science is 'always' wrong, it would never make any progress. How in the hell are you going to admit somethings wrong until you know its wrong? Science is what has given everyone who lives in a first-world nation every facet of their lives as they know it. Both you and I owe our lives to the sacrifices of the teachers and scientists of the past. The difference is, I recognize this. You shove your head in the sand and say 'god did it.' Thumbs down me all all you like!

[vtun707]

Actually, because science is always wrong it always has the opportunity to become better. If there exists a reasonable argument against what you believe, then you have every right to admit that what you think is wrong. Also, if you look at it from both sides, we've been developing problems in addition to solutions. Science helped us to pollute the atmosphere, for example.

PS: Since where did the thumbs come from? And to your convenience, I will turn my other cheek to you also.

[Ravendov]

Both 'sides?' There is an anti-progress 'side?' Science is not 'always wrong' you fool, it chooses to be always incomplete. And yes, you have the right to claim something is wrong. But if it goes against all the evidence and is completed founded on things like 'faith' then I would ask you to respect people's rights to ridicule you for it. Science did not help pollute the atmosphere, people did. Not to mention there is always sacrifice for progress. I never thumbed you btw, other people did.

[vtun707]

Rolling on the floor... So by attempting to excuse science's faults as "incomplete" you think it's always everything? Also if science is incomplete, how can it compose "all the evidence?" And I guess when it's time for science to take the glory you credit it with all sorts of fabulous wonders, yet you credit the stupidity of humanity for the consequences?

The thumbs right now aren't what matters. "You fool" is too stale. It's time you've said something that doesn't contradict anything.

[Ravendov]

Wow. You spent a week coming up with THAT? Science is merely a process to gain knowledge. Knowledge itself is never bad, (Despite what your religion tells you) and therefore, it is how the knowledge is used by people which determines whether something becomes good or bad. "All the evidence" does not refer to "Knowing everything" but rather "all that is known." Yes, unless science begins to claim absolutes (like your religion) it will never be 'bad' or 'good' but progressive. Good is subjective.

[vtun707]

1) You obviously have a lot of time on your hands. You know, people around you sometimes have busy lives.

2) Knowledge is power, yes, but don't ever forget: everything comes at a price.

3) Science is progressive. I agree. My point is, it's never 100% correct at any given moment, and can never be used to prove "my religion" because God calls for something beyond what human capabilities call for.

Obviously... God > Human + Science because God made human + science.

[Ravendov]

"Obviously... God > Human + Science because God made human + science. "

You have to prove that before you state it as fact. Also, even is your god did exist, it would be God creates humans who create science, not god creates both. I will never create my grandchildren. And with the exception of creation from nothing, what can't we do so far that is supposed to be a miracle in your holy text? Besides creation, he really has nothing on us.

[vtun707]

OKAY OKAY let me reword that (sorry, almost forgot you were atheist):

"God > Human + Science BECAUSE God is supposed to be > than Human + Science, otherwise He is no God"

Humans never created science! It was there in the first place, they discovered it! We never create anything, we either discover it or improve on it.

Just to name a few:

1) Water into Wine

2) Dead into Alive

3) Save the Earth

4) Parting the Red Sea

[Ravendov]

Humans create ideas through our own imagination and creativity. Therefore, as science is an idea, a construct of the mind and a process, it is within human capability to create it and any account of history shows we did.

As for your miracles:

1. We CAN chemically alter wate to make it wine. Quite easily.

2. We have resuscitated people who were dead well over a day.

3. Last I checked, your god is fond of natural disasters and worldwide floods.

4. Shit, I can do that. Wait for the tide.

[Aye90125]

"...We never create anything, we either discover it or improve on it"

Hummm, A whole bunch of Japanese people would disagree with you after...

WE SPLIT THE ATOM

Fission does NOT normally occur in nature.

Don't get this confused with the sun, now.

That is Fusion.

For what is next, visit the CERN web-page.

[DvineGaming]

@vtun707 I am sorry but you cannot do math with word you fucking retard.

[vtun707]

So says the person who can't even speak proper English and has nothing but shallow insults to throw. So says the person who believes his own cousins are bloody apes. If this isn't painfully ironic to you, go play your little games and leave the life questions for the "grown-ups."

[DvineGaming]

@vtun707 My 's' key was jammed when I typed that.

[Studiostrooz]

"if you can lie to the kids abut where they came from, you can lie to them about anything." Intelligent Design is the workings of the Beast, advocated by stupid people who are easily manipulated. It has NO bearing on modern life, and is dangerous.