German and US Statements on Tibet Crisis

[checker80th]

Nothing new ! The talk but saying nothing !

[KangaDee]

who the hell is the lady talking??? I can't understand nothing!!! What the hell??

[scomule2]

both are complete frauds....FREE TIBET

[Sebbomatrix]

germany and usa had to stop to deliver products to china

that would hurt them the most

[agam4]

dnas: Can't even manage to spell the countries you're so concerned about, like Afghanistan? Ask the people there if they want Taliban back or not. Ask Iraqis if they prefer rule by al Qaeda, who's been killing their children in quite large numbers.

Those wars that UK, US, France, Canada etc. fought, were because of totalitarian fascism. Now we have another totalitarian olympics, in Hitler's footsteps.

CCP wins the gold medal for causing deaths of own people, estimated 75 million under Mao.

[prideofj]

Whatever the U.S. goverment says.

the government will not take any actions unfortunately because China and the U.S, economically tie.

Business people are too gready so that they ignore the reality.

Money comes first to them, and they are most influencial when it comes to politics.

[snigglefritz12345]

Wake up, China! You're irritating the whole world, and embarrassing yourself with your lame, transparent propaganda excuses.

[agam4]

If Tibetans weren't dying from it, I'd say keep on embarrassing yourself, China, and irritating the rest of the world. But Tibetans are dying, so I won't say that.

[MikeJonesDad]

Everyone knows Dalai Lama is backed up by US government and financed by American CIA.

[agam4]

If "everyone knows" then it should be easy for you to provide the proof. This is an important element in CCP's anti-Tibet propaganda, but like all the rest of it, they say there's proof but NEVER provide any. Congratulations on being a "useful idiot" for the communists ("useful idiots" are what Stalin called the American Far Left who defended the Soviets).

[hlwanmoe1981]

agam4

good work!

[TheCZMan]

What kind of evidences? The Dai Lama is on the CIA payroll since the 1950s. Where did you get this was a story broadcast by the Chinese?

I guess it is easy for you to deny than to face facts.

[agam4]

As I wrote right there in black and white, if "everyone knows" then providing the evidence should be a cinch. "Everyone knows" is not evidence, let's see some. Not from 1950, let's see some applicable to right now.

"Everyone knows" is not an acceptable answer.

[TheCZMan]

Did I say "everyone knows"? No I did not because very obviously, not everyone knows.

As simple as that.

By CIA own admission in the 1990s, funding records and stuff like that. You can easily find the USD amount delivered to him by the CIA.

The information is out there and I say I guess it is easier for you to deny than to face facts.

[agam4]

You're making the claims, why should I do your detective work? I know the answer, Tibet is my field. I want to know what you can find out. Capiche?

You just restated the assertion as supporting evidence. It doesn't work that way. "Everyone should know that" Simply restating the claim without adding anything worthwhile, is exactly the same as the "Everyone knows" strategy of the first guy.

Do you know anything, or is it just a certain brand of "conventional wisdom" you heard from somewhere?

[snigglefritz12345]

You go with "face facts", but use dubious sources and inference (are these words too big for you, Cupcake?), but do not face facts yourself. The evidence is clear: China expects Tibet to bend over, grab its ankles and take it again and again. China, pull out of Tibet!

[TheCZMan]

I dont think that the CIA is a dubious source in this case.

You know, I dont waste time to provide sources because as I said, accepting to face the facts is a matter of self discipline (or coercion) Providing evidences to people who choose to deny is useless.

Anecdota: I know many than a couple of people who were in the "Iraq has WMDs" before the invasion. Now, even when providing them with facts, including declarations from GWB administration, they are still in "Iraq had WMDs"

[TheCZMan]

If truth , facts were enough to convince people, it would be known by now.

Many people have vested interests and if lies serve them more than facts in regards of the vested interests, they pass over facts.

For some people, receiving facts that the Dai Lama is funded by the CIA wont change their mindset. Because they have made up their mind before any study of the situation.

[agam4]

CZman wrote:"if lies serve them more than facts in regards of the vested interests, they pass over facts."

In other words, you have nothing to offer in support of "Dai [sic] Lama is funded by CIA". Thanks for clarifying once again.

[TheCZMan]

I say that contrary to what is claimed, truth is not accepted when shown to people with vested interests.

Again I made it clear: truth is accepted through self discipline (an individual can not act on others for this) or coercion (coercion is not possible through the internet)

So providing all the evidences is useless and a waste of time because people with vested interests will prefer lies over fact if lies serve them best.

[TheCZMan]

I tested this thoroughly and it appeared to be valid. I gave an example: people clinging to the belief that Iraq had the famous WMDs, even when shown all the evidences etc...

It is just denial and denial is either tackled through self discipline (and self discipline is easy to spot) or coercion (mainly a system of reward/punishment)

In the western world, truth has no power by itself.

[agam4]

There are still people who believe Saddam didn't execute hundreds of thousands in gruesome horrible ways, too. But the mass graves still keep turning up. If you need to talk about that, go find a relevent video to do it on. It has nothing to do with the unsupported claims you're making here.

As I said before, I know what you're talking about; I want to know if you know what you're talking about.

[TheCZMan]

You cut down the drivel left/right on me.

Here is a joke to get my point through.

That is a leftie and a rightie talking about land spoliation.

Leftie: We took all the lands from the Indians, with no concern for their property rights.

Rightie: But these guys had no right, they were not human beings.

And the discussion goes on and on until the moment rightie grows angry: if you are so convinced, why do you return them your piece of land and leftie to conclude:

[TheCZMan]

pal, you convinced me Indians are not human beings.

Left, right, cons, libs... they are useful labels to play a convenient ping pong blame game (the left did it, no, the right did etc...)

actually, they are all the same and seek the same stuff.

Facts or truth is not subservient to labels. Either it is or it is not. No right/left thingie.

Fact you used this label (insinuating that me being from this or that group would govern my thoughts) is another cause providing evidences is useless.

[TheCZMan]

For all the rest, I already answered. Truth in the western world has no power by itself.

Revealing evidences is certainly not enough.

And a simple waste of time.

Explaining all this was not though.

[snigglefritz12345]

Yes, more foolish every time you type. Talk to the Kurds about the chemical weapon attacks and get back to us, idiot.

[TheCZMan]

Maybe putting things into context would help.

Iraq was accused with conserving WMDs while supposedly pretending to have destroyed them.

It was the state of matters when the accusation fell. It was not about Iraq ever having WMDs.

If the rest of the world would have been so in unison with the US and UK, getting an endorsement from the UN would have been a piece of cake. It wasnt.

My credibility? I dont care about my credibility. It should be obvious if you read my other comments.

[TheCZMan]

I am not here to convince people. As I stated, truth does not matter. People would prefer lies over facts when it helps them to further their self interests.

I tested this and it appears to be valid.

I wont go into running this test again. It is useless. Truth needs no support. It does not need billions of people to exist. Contrary to lies. The more people believe in a lie, the more it appear real. So stay with your lies, your distortions. It does not bother me at all. On the contrary.

[agam4]

So you won't even share a peek at this truth of yours, as you know it won't be accepted. Therefore it can't be judged, and we must continue to rely on your "proof by assertion." In all likelihood you have some "conventional wisdom" of the Western Left (and/or CCP) built upon some piece of info that doesn't actually say what you guys all say it says.

And you seem to believe I have a "vested interest" here. Do you know what that means? And what led you to believe that I would have one?

[snigglefritz12345]

Get a new script, you make yourself look more foolish every time you type.

[snigglefritz12345]

Cool! Iraq did not have WMDs, only the GWB administration said that. You're out of touch with the REST OF THE WORLD. Iraq not only had them, but used them. What a moron. Your credibility slides like snot down a flagpole.

[snigglefritz12345]

What "everyone knows" is that China has invaded Tibet, which was a sovereign nation. "Everyone knows" this because the evidence is all over, and there are eyewitness accounts. Learn to think for yourself instead of believing the laughable CCP propaganda.

[tsayang]

Free Tibet, Shame on China, Shame on IOC

[zhangkekent]

Hi why do not USA gives Amatica back to American Indian first.

[tsayang]

get a life dude!

[agam4]

Why don't you tell them where "Amatica" is,that might help.

[TheCZMan]

Well, it should have been easy to figure out that he meant that the US might need to give back America to the Indians first.

Maybe, in a hurry, since Indians are less and less. Oh wait, the US will only do that when there will be no Indians left.

[agam4]

What I meant was, am I talking to an illiterate, or what?

[snigglefritz12345]

Lousy comparison. Aside from the fact that you're comparing actions different societies in different centuries to what has happened over fifty years ago, the whole discussion is not about American Indians. That's just a red herring to distract from the facts about the ChiCom oppression.

[snigglefritz12345]

Why don't Chinese activists grow brains? What a stupid comparison.