People are against the death penalty unless someone close to them died. But revenge and an eye for an eye are not the messages Jesus preached. How can we live in a society where medieval an eye for an eye punishments are still established? I do believe people should be punished for crimes but we have no right to take their lives we don't get to play God.
The death penalty should not be taken lightly, nor seen as an act of revenge. It is however a condign punishement for the ultimate crime. My thoughts always return to the victims, who had no last meal, no visitors, no appeals, no last words, no priest, no prayer - just terror and a horrible end. When one kills, one should expect nothing less than permanent eviction from the planet.
@happyshear Thank's for the joke truly. And you think that murderers and rapists bring love to anyone ?
Do you mean that the best way to deal with murderers and rapists is to offer them women and alcool or something ? that's the really hard and right way to fix problems up !
He raped a girl and killed 2 people. Human rights for humans, that shit isn't a human. Stop defending criminals that rape women. You gonna keep him for 70 years in jail using public money that could be used in schools and others things.
Murdering a murderer makes whatever/whoever does it as guilty as the person they murder. It doesn't make things right, it continues the spiral of evil. I too believe in redemption & that it's not for us to pass such judgement on others. Such acts of revenge are further acts of evil. The death penalty solves nothing, it tears even more lives apart & I'm not just talking about the person on death row. Only God has the right to a final say on a person's life & death, no matter what they've done.
@SuperMissblueeyes If my dog is put down as a result of biting someone its not punishment or revenge thing toward the dog. The dog is taken out of the equation so it cannot offend again. Im afraid the God bit would be way down your list of sentiment if your son or daughter was on the receiving end of a brutal killing.
I watched this film at school. I felt so uncomfortable and sick. Not only does the killer disturb me, but seeing the events of the murder made me feel ill. I swear I'll never watch this again
I don't believe in death penalty. They're trying to stop killing by killing. I lost a friend a few years ago. But there's no way on earth that I want to see the responsable person getting murdered in public. It doesn't bring my friend back to me. No human being should have the power to decide who deserves to live and die. Murderer's often make that decision but by killing them we do the exact same thing.
@Ninaofthe90s What a lod of rot and I will illustrate what total rubbish it is.
I don't believe in imprisonment for false imprisonment, they're trying to to stop false imprisonment with imprisonment. When we do that to them we're just doing the exact same thing they did.
Better to just tell them they're bad boys and not do that again and send them on their way. A good scolding always works on criminals doesn't it.
@er10b Well no shit, Sherlock...he is an actor. I highly doubt that they would really kill off Sean Penn for real in that scene. I'm sure more than a few somebodys would be pretty upset if that really happened.
@Croco83 if I was an actor playing someone being lethally injected I'd request a fake latex armpiece that was at least 1/2 inch thick and have the actors playing the executioners stick the needle in the latex. Reduces the risk of stuffups.
@scrumsie If you were to watch the movie. You would understand that the man had been proven innocent. The man that actually did commit the murder that the man you see is dying for, got off with Life without Parole. The man you just watched, was innocent of the crime he was accused for.
@supr2kat this guy (Penn) who is being executed himself accepted the crime he committed along with the other guy, so how can he be proven innocent? both of them commit the crime together but the other guys gets off with a life imprisonment and this guy gets death.
@scrumsie yes and no. I don't believe in death penalty. But you obviously don't get it. Why don't u watch the movie instead of asking those questions.
@roberaith When Sister Helen Prejean wrote the book, both men (combined into Sean Penns character) died of electrocution. But electrocution it a bit too graphic for a movie of this sort. So while it is kind of not chronologically right, it's done for the viewers own good. So your knowledge was right no worries there.
@kaeladancerify Yes, thats exactly what i as saying as well. I really hope i have the opportunity to view this film, have read the book twice, and would like to compare the simularities and differenes..
I haven't had the opportunity to watch this movie yet (other than the 2 scenes that have been posted on youtube) however i have read the book twice. After reading the book (to the best of my judgement) Matthew Poncelet's character is derived from Elmo Patrick Sonnier (who claimed his innocence til death) and Robert Lee Willie. The book makes great strides at abolishing the death penalty through the eyes of Sister Helen Prejean and the effects of improper/poor legal counsel of Sonnier and Willie.
The guy committed the crime in the when he knew the punishment. Your just a weak bunch of pussies that can't put down a rabid dog. Stop trying to bring down the rest of us. Someone has to protect the Vegan tree hugger's because they are incapable of protecting themselves. Rabbits will be rabbits and the Warrior class will always rule. Now step aside, shut the fuck up and let us do our job unless you want a piece of shit like this to rape and kill you.
I felt sorry for him until he started raping and murdering those kids. This society tries to make us feel sorry for the criminals and disregard the victims and their families. I'd want that son of a bitch dead too if he raped and murdered my daughter.
Everytime I watch this scene. I cry.. I kinda felt sorry for Matty (Sean Penn) I believe this movie has two sides to it, the kids who died and their family ... and the killer & his family. Its really sad the kids died, and its sad Matty died too.The Message to this movie= Dont be a follower...be a leader. Because the other guy told on Matty BUT it seems like the other guy should have gotten the death penalty because he did more things than Matty.. never know who your real friends are.
I remember especially the soundtrack they used to show those awful images - by Nusrat Fatah Ali Khan. I am unconditionally against the death penalty but that don't stop me getting all fucked up inside when those crimes were shown.
You get your last dinner. Get a huge never ending one, and eat very, very, very slowly. They won't be able to execute you until you finish, which you never will. :D
@TinaaaBallerina The green mile isn't in the same bracket as this film. The green mile is a supernatural fantasy while this is gritty down to earth reality.
@junkman19571 It is not up to us to pass such judgement on others, ultimately I cannot support the death penalty because it just creates more death in a world that is utterly saturated with it.
@Vanagew1 but why should we give mercy to a cold blooded murderer? What gives his life more meaning than the person of whom he killed? I see it to be unfair justice to the victim if we allow people who commit such evil crimes to live. And don't even get me started on the costs of keeping someone on life sentence.
@YouGotYoinked The victim is dead, there is nothing that an execution will do to bring him back. I believe in redemption, that even those who have committed horrific acts can have the chance to redeem themselves. Justice was never about killing the killer, that's merely revenge. The death penalty does not deter crime, it does nothing but divide a society, slate the need for revenge for others and sow discord amongst communities. I haven't even touched on presumed guilt yet either.
@Vanagew1 what about the fate worse than death? how would you feel if the police told you that your eldely mother or 5year daughter wasn't just killed in a bungled robbery she was raped repeatedly for 2 Hours before she had her throat slit?
@custardaghost Its not a revenge thing at all!!! If a man has killed once before or just for the first time he must be treated like a cancer on the body of mankind.....and removed.
You are so very impressed with yourself and your cancer analogy, aren't ya? See if you can think of ways in which cancer cannot be compared with execution. Remember: this is not the hole where you and the rest of your superstitiously-fucked-up, politically-naive fail-buddies go to drink but someplace else entirely - where you get called on your ignorant, self-satisfied "I'm so fucking clever and so fucking righteous" bullshit.
@custardaghost "See how cancer cannot be compared with execution"....Sorry my friend, i have to ask- what the fuck are you talking about?? Cancer is an evil insidious disease and it is removed for the sake of the patient. When someone kills another person, they to should be treated as such and cut out from society. NOWHERE, in the afore mentioned text does it refer to execution as a revenge thing!!
I think it is incredibly hypocritical to kill a man/woman because of murder, or any other reason. Murder is wrong, no matter who is doing it. To kill a person because the person has commited a cime by killing someone, does not make any sense to me, what so ever.
Besides, isn't it better to let the murderer live with what he/she has done? Dying is too easy, and murder is wrong, no matter what. I can understand the family's hatred towards the killer, but I still think that it is wrong.
@rikzenz What you're saying amounts to that it's hypocritical to imprison someone for falsely imprisoning someone else.
And if dying as a punishment was too easy then those sentenced to be executed wouldn't be struggling so hard to avoid it in favour of an entire life in prison.
It's easy for internet philosophers to rave on about how easy execution is when they are sitting in front of a pc and not facing execution.
@oppozed1 I understand what you mean, but that is my OPINION. It is not hypocrisy. And no, I am not just some 'internet philosophe' that just writes my opinion from my screen, I stand for them, I am allowed to have my own opinion. And by the way, you don't know what I have been through, so don't judge me before you even know me.
If that bleeding heart quiff susan saranwrap had watched jack henry abbot die instead of doing her best to help him get out of prison, an innocent guy who was waiting tables would be alive today!
I just watched the whole movie for the first time and I honestly think that you take from it what you want. many interpretations.
Sean Penn really showed what I believe to be fear when he said his last words. Great acting but what I took from the film was he deserved what he got. The kids experienced fear, not knowing and completely innocent minding their own. This dude was guilty and deserved execution by the harshest means, he gave up his rights to humanity when he killed those kids.
@kpreston69 I understand that he did do something extremely horrible but i dont think that killing him is right. Christ wouldnt have done that. Christ wouldnt have hunted him down, He was incredibly sorry for what he had done and had
a change of heart which was all that mattered because if he had only recieved prison without parole he would have still recieved punishment and might have done some good to the world and and saying he gave up his rights to humanity is OUT OF LINE! CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IS INHUMANE!!!
@kpreston69 Do you think killing him will bring those kids back. Of course not! If the death penalty worked we would see evidence of decreased crime now. "To take a life when a life has been lost is revenge, not justice" Desmond Tutu. Yet think on this - "The reality is that capital punishment in America is a lottery. It is a punishment that is shaped by the constraints of poverty, race, geography and local politics" Bryan Stevenson
(and even further) such acts are completely legal and justified. I guess I just think that law and morality are not always on the same page with regards to capital punishment. And one should be very careful when they assume that execution is fine whereas murder is terrible. They are different words for the same act (I'm not saying that murder is justifiable or that all executions are murder. Just that there are too many grey areas for my liking).
(continued further) vigilantism may result in a guilty person being brought to justice. But without a legal document to prove that its ok the people who brought on this justice are also murderers in the eyes of the law. I just think that there are too many variables with the death penalty and its relationship with law. Even now, most westerners are disgusted by tales of executions for adultery and political subversion in the middle east and Africa. But in the laws of these countries......
To Susan, you portrayed my real cousin sister prejeant. On my mother's side.About the Pope calling him a nazi. That was a funny time. In Hilter's time you were eighter a communist or go with the Hitler's youth.If you were a communist, Hitler killed you.The real guy didn't even pull the trigger. But, he was with the guy that did. They have a stupid louisiana law, it you are with the person who murders,you are guilty too.
The minute a murderer kills someone they LOSE their right to live. Once you kill an innocent, you cease to be human. You become a VICIOUS ANIMAL that needs to be put down. Not out of cruelty, but for safety. Just like when we put down vicious animals at the vet or when wildlife officials have to put down dangerous alligators in Florida for attacking people.
@ALL OF YOU ANTI DEATH PENALTY CRY BABIES. So you're saying that Steven Hayes and Josh Komisarjevski, the human wastes of life who RAPED, TORTURED, AND BURNED 3 WOMEN ALIVE in THE CHESHIRE, CT murders deserve to live? It is you who are evil. You are PATHETIC for feeling sympathy for any murderer who kills innocent women and children. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Its ok for murderers to kill our loved ones but its not ok for the state to return the favor? Yur no better than the murderers
@MadFNMax and the Government is no better than the murderer. I believe in solitary confinement where they have no sun light or human contact for the rest of their lives. I say we should let people like that go insane.
@DirtyHarry135 Not that would be illegal and ethically wrong in the eyes of the goverement and the law, however illogical that may sound (ironic huh). Maybe because the point of prison is partly to rehabilitate the inmates, not just to store them and keep them away from society, so that when they go back out the can be functional law-abiding contributing citizens of society.
Murderers DESERVE the death penalty. I don't see how or why anyone would feel sympathy or compassion for a murderer. Did the murderer show compassion to the victim? NO. So the murderer DESERVES NO SYMPATHY.
@MadFNMax a) only in very few cases can you be 100% certain that a person is guilty of murder... so with your logic you could potentially be killing innocent people. b) How can you claim that killing someone is the wrong by then doing the exact same thing to them? c) I am sympathetic to murders (not as sympathetic as I am to the victim obviously), but I do feel sorry for them that they turned out the way they did and in doing so ruined their lives and the lives of others
Surgeons sometimes accidentally kill people during surgery. Should we do away with medicine or surgery? Innocent people MAY very well die in the administration of the death penalty from time to time (though nowhere near as often as the liberal kooks insist), and it sucks. But that doesn't mean the death penalty is unjust or should be done away with. It simply means that society must do its very best to make it as perfect. as we do the control of nuclear weapons.
@DarrylXE worst reply ever!! surgeons do occasionally ACCIDENTALLY kill, but surgery is a process to try and save lives, whereas execution is not.......so piss poor comparison!! Your opinion of the death penalty would change dramatically if you or one of your family members were one of the few innocent ones sacrificed!!!
The death penalty is a "process" of protecting society from the criminal actually executed and from the ascendancy of lawlessness, generally. It isn't perfect, but it will have to do until enough of me are gone to make way for enough of you. And I am making sure my children feel the same way.
@DarrylXE Imprisonment is another "process of protecting society from the criminal" .... you can protect society without barbaric methods like the death penalty!
you say it will have to make do until enough of you are gone?... The death penalty only exists in very few civilised places today, people who think like you do are becoming fewer with each day! With any luck your children shall think the same as me
"People who think like me" aren't becoming fewer. We're just getting tired of arguing with the forces of darkness, criminality and evil. Don't confuse "quiet" with "non-existent." And even if "people like you" outlawed state-sanctioned capital punishment, it would exist anywhere decent men gather, outraged and armed.
@DarrylXE If they are getting quieter how do you know it's not because those thoughts don't exist? surely you can't have asked them all?... I suggest you don't confuse what you beleive to be "quiet" with "non-existent". People don't get tired of arguing for what they believe in... unless they realise they are in the wrong
@DarrylXE "In U.S., Support for Death Penalty Falls to 39-Year Low"... and the ones that do support it are predominantly over 30.... and that sample is just people in the US (where the death penalty exists so they have grown up with it and are more likely to believe it's right)
"In U.S., Nearly Two-Thirds Support Death Penalty"---And this is AFTER 20 years of Mumia-Abu-Jamal/Amnesty International/Susan Sarandon propaganda. And thank GOD people under 30 vote in such small and spotty numbers.
@DarrylXE not going to lie, I couldn't beleive that 2/3 of americans support the death penalty. Really disgusted by that statistic tbh, but thank god it's getting less and less year by year, as the old fuddy duddys who believe capital punishment is a valid method to control society die out
@DarrylXE no...what one considers to be right is what one considers to be right. Like I 34 and 31... like I say old fuddy duddys support capital punishment
@griffik1 so then what about execution on the spot of the crime when the few times cops actualy make it to the crime scene and protect the people who are being attacked?
@solidussnake9000 I'm not sure I understand what you are getting at. It's a completely different situation at the scene of a crime where police need to take action to protext the innocent, who's welfare obviously comes first. If someone is waving a gun around and is beleived to be a threat... then the police should (and do) take action.
What I am talking about is completely different though, where executing someone will not serve to protect the innocent. So your comment lacks relevance
@MadFNMax People like you, are influenced by the devil. Theres no right in killing no one. If that person committed a crime, only " GOD " can judge them, not man. Thats why this world is going to end pretty soon.
On an imate's death cetificate after being executed it's stated as murder (homicide) but the goverment state's it as legal homicide, Murder is murder in my opinion no matter who carry's it out, But i also understand the victim and the victim's family must see justice in one form or the other..
this really gives me the creeps. severely. it disturbs me in the deepest part of my soul and mind. O.o -shiver- it's not normal for a movie to do that to me.
@wtfx0xbabe202 I think it's intended to do that to you. The makers of this film are clearly anti death penalty and the intention is to bring home to you the cold reality of strapping a man down on a table and deliberately killing him with poison.
@hibob418 incase something happens, by the miracle of whomever, that he comes back to life, or somehow survives the lethal injection, he will be exonerated and let free. it's a very strange thing O.o
Yes but we have already punished them by jail time how would you feel if you got drunk by accident and killed someone so now your hooked up and tortured blame alchohol not d person
You guys are retarded!!! If we didn't kill prisoners, your tax dollars go into their safety and food ... Anndd we don't "punish" them by killing them, we SAVE LIVES by killing them, with them out of jail, they will assuredly kill more, you trying save them by sending them into a safe and secure place is wrong and evil, they are life takers, taking anything less than their life makes you worse.
@Peeppole Do you want to know how much of your tax dollars go into a death penalty trial? It costs near $2.5 million to kill a man, and a measly $500k to keep him in prison for life. The economic argument is completely against the death penalty.
@s0merand0mdude95 So, you're saying that a human life is less then 2.5 million dollars, tell that to the families that had their children/ parents murdered in front of them.
You guys are retarded!!! If we didn't kill prisoners, your tax dollars go into their safety and food ... Anndd we don't "punish" them by killing them, we SAVE LIVES by killing them, with them out of jail, they will assuredly kill more, you trying save them by sending them into a safe and secure place is wrong and evil, they are life takers, taking anything less than their life makes you worse.
What interests me is how can the executioners, the witnesses, the court and the politicians be completely innocent when they are effectively doing the same thing as the prisoner. They make a decision to end someone's life, some of them actually carry out the sentence and the witnesses obviously gain some sort of satisfaction from watching a man die. They seem to be the same processes that contribute towards murder, but they are absolved of all guilt by a few legal documents that say its ok...
If a family member of one of the murderers victims went out and killed the murderer themselves, isn't it still "an eye for an eye"? But this would not be legal and would result in them perhaps even recieving the death penalty themselves. I just cannot quite grasp how someone having their life taken away from them after years of court cases, paperwork and confinement is any different to that in the end.
@oddba11 good now apply it to those who don't mind taking scissors and ripping a baby out of their mother to have its skull cracked open for abortion and get mad at those that kill an animal because it bites someone. i seem to be the only person here not hypocritical about all this. liberals have double standards on how the death penalty is wrong yet they almost virtually support abortion, conservatives have double standards too but at least in their case the person did in fact do something.
@oddba11 I disagree. Whilst I find the ritualitsic nature of this perhaps even more disturbing than the actual original murder/rape, I would have to say that if that had been done to my son, or my daughter, or my sister, I would watch, and I would scream, and never forget the moment that my tormentor suffered beyond comprehension. The 'guilt' you observe is not of murder, but of revenge, and the 'legal papers' that make the distinction are not so blinkered as to ignore that.
@oddba11 I find your argument fallacious. What your basically doing is drawing a moral equivalency between the murderer and the innocent victim of that murderer.
@rosario508 Hmm, I don't believe there is a moral equivalency between killing an innocent person and executing a murderer. But I do feel that it is an identical act (to take someone's life against their will), but with one person absolved from any guilt or blame because the law is on their side. This makes me uncomfortable for a number or reasons. For example, the executioners in totalitarianist regimes had the law on their side when they effectively murdered political prisoners and were thus..
@oddba11 I'm sorry it's not an "identical act". You say that you don't believe there's a moral equivalency but then you contridict your self in the very next sentance. And there is absolutely no comparison between a totalitarian regime killing and torturing it's citizens for trivial reasons and a free country like America bringing a known murderer to justice. I'm not gung-ho on the death penalty by the way. I agree it should only be used when the guilt is 100% fact.
@rosario508 (continued) absolved of any blame at the time. But does that mean that they are not morally culpable for physically carrying out some of the worst atrocities in history? Also, what if the condemned is fairly and legally convicted of murder based on the evidence at the time, but then new evidence comes to light after their execution which absolves them of any blame? Thus the executioner has killed an innocent person, so surely he is a murderer? At the other end of the scale...
@oddba11 There's a BIG difference in what you call murder as opposed to how the murderer did it. If a man is out there killing INNOCENT people (that word innocent is important) then taking the murderer's life so that it isn't possible for him to continue taking innocent lives is justified. The court system isn't taking the life of an innocent man, they are taking the life of someone who was out there taking other people's innocent lives.
@sfel3 So what is raping and murdering a couple of innocent teenagers? If you think executing an animal like that is inhuman then what he did was a thousand times worse making him lower than an animal. He was put down like a rabid dog and that's what he deserved.
@tospam1 Infact I said killing a man is inhuman. Does this sentence exclude the victims of a murderer? I don't think so. Killing is inhuman both if done by a murderer and if done by the government. What is, by the way, the right punishment in case an innocent is executed?
My brother Markus Bott had been tortured during 5.5 years by the German BND,the former GESTAPO.I recorded more than 100 videotapes which ended up in the legal system.My brother was tortured 1.5 years while several legal procedures pending.He was assassinated on July 11th 2009 because of our homepage and our book Der Totalitäre Staat.If my homepage disappears,the BND will have assassinated me as well.BND snitchers are thumbing me down
So thumbs up if you want the BND to stop torturing my parents
My brother Markus Bott had been tortured during 5.5 years by the German BND,the former GESTAPO.I recorded more than 100 videotapes which ended up in the legal system.My brother was tortured 1.5 years while several legal procedures pending.He was assassinated on July 11th 2009 because of our homepage and our book Der Totalitäre Staat.If my homepage disappears,the BND will have assassinated me as well.BND snitchers are thumbing me down
So thumbs up if you want the BND to stop torturing my parents
@Aeshmauniversus Well if it were you instead of him being strapped down on that table you would have a quick change of heart on whether or not it's a punishment.
And do you think they spend so much effort trying to avoid it because it's no punishment? Get real. It's the ultimate punishment.
@Aeshmauniversus What are you? Fortune teller? If so you're shite at it because you can't tell the difference between an American and a Brit.
So stick to fantasising about people rather than addressing what they say. It's patently obvious you grunted your first post with no depth of understanding on the topic.
And you're literacy is shockingly poor btw. "too much backward" ??? LOL
I found this movie so intense, I mean he was a bad bad bad man....but does that really give society the right to stoop to his level?? Great...but terrible movie
@tospam1 Well, don't you think its hypocritical to say that killing is wrong by killing someone. I think the real question is..(the sister in the movie said this...this is based on a true story) its not do they deserve to die but does society have the right to kill them. I mean, yes they shouldn't do it in the first place but we as society doesn't have the right to commit the same sin...and eye for an eye isn't relevant anymore...why put more blood on people's hands.
In Troy Davis' case tonight his chosen witnesses were removed from the list - his family meetings were interrupted early as he was made to go for a physical (prior to killing him) - they seem to be trying to make his last hours as distressing as possible.
In my country, the death penalty is better, more mercy, once convicted they are put to death instantly within the next few days, they are not in small cages and escorted by cold face people strapted down to a table with needles in a cold room, thats torure, where i come from, they are treated with respect, even till the end, then they have either a bullet to the head or beheaded.
@hudfadz The reason they spend so much time on death row is to give them enough time to exhaust their appeals to reduce the chance that an innocent person is executed. I wonder how many people have been executed in your country when they didn't deserve it. Besides have you ever seen someone get shot or beheaded? Beheading rarely takes one blow and anything can go wrong when you shoot someone, give me the needle any day rather than butchering or splattering me over the wall
I don't understand how a country as developed as United States still defends death penalty! It makes no sense to kill someone in order to punish him no matter what crime he commited. How can a country pass the message that it's wrong to kill, when death penalty is legal?! Soory but I just don't get it!
@almadonorte you know what though, death penalty is more humane than life without parole, even if he had been spared the death penalty it is doubtful he would ever have been pardoned and released, i do believe in death but by firing squad since it is more humane than lethal injection, and for those that are not sentenced to death it should either be a set number of years ranging from15-20 years or life WITH parole, life without parole i think should be scrapped before the death penalty is.
A ridiculous argument. We teach that it's wrong to steal by "stealing" freedom. We teach that it's wrong to assault or rape people by putting felons in an environment in which they very well may be assaulted or raped. And we teach both the criminal and the observing society that it is wrong to kill by killing murderers. It is just to do so, which is why we call it JUSTICE. Murderers choose to kill and risk being caught and know that by killing people, they forfeit their humanity.
@almadonorte im not gonna defend the death penalty. its pretty primative, i'll agree with you on that. but its not for any crime committed. only murder. but it is wrong, and i don't condone it.
Do you have any idea how many potential criminals this death penalty has supressed? And why do you give so much attention for the heartless murderer and forget about the pains of the victim's family's pain?? THAT doesn't make sense.
@Shi3i4lyf I'm skeptical that the death penalty has suppressed any criminals. Nobody commits a crime thinking they're going to get caught. Nobody says to himself, "If it was just life without parole, well, I'd go right ahead and kill that dude, but since they might execute me, I'll just go to McDonald's instead." From an empirical point of view, there's no statistical evidence that the death penalty serves as a deterrent. In fact, states without the death penalty have a lower murder rate.
I'm unsure about the accuracy of your statistics, but even if we assume that you are right, why would you go out of your way to defend the criminals' wish to stay alive when they did not have any regard whatsoever for the weak, innocent lives that they took? The problem with your argument is that you give no regard for the victims and their families. Additionally, you treat the cold murderers as human beings when their actions prove otherwise.
@Shi3i4lyf I'm more worried about the proven instances of innocent people being put to death only to be cleared later by new evidence. I think letting a few murderers rot in jail instead of being executed (after 20 years of rotting in jail) is an acceptable price to pay to prevent such terrible mistakes.
There's also the practical issue that the death penalty is applied inconsistently by race in this country. I'd prefer not to have that sort of thing institutionalized by the state.
@Shi3i4lyf I do feel for the victim's family, but I also feel for the murderer's family. They're just as innocent as the victim's family; they committed no crime, and no matter how vile the killer is, he's still someone's son or someone's brother, and in many cases they can't help but love him. To force them to experience his death, right in front of their eyes no less while they sit helplessly by, strikes me as needlessly cruel.
@almadonorte If you were toured, raped, beaten and then killed in the slowest way possible, would you want the person who did it dead? Don't say no because you know you would. No matter how dramatic this video shows. What would you want them to do? What would you suggest? Letting them free to kill and rape again? Your government dose it for a reason. To show that if you Fuck with it and its people, you get Fucked harder.
Do you think people really yell in anger like that when they get escorted to the death chamber? I'd have thought they'd be too frightened to move, let alone say anything. A lot of people poo themselves.
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TheMrMarilyn 1 day ago
@Susancalases, pre-destination works both ways...
The criminal can say they were pre-destined to kill, but the judge can also say he was pre-destined to sentence them to death for it
Joseph565112 4 days ago
Typical of nun subject personality ... inability to have husband, sex, own family.
They live in an idealistic world where everything should be forgiven.
GShock112 1 week ago
Bloody hell what he did he dezerved to die!!
bruce982011 1 week ago
@bruce982011 Not really, no one deserves to be killed, think about it.. Why kill people who kill people to show killing people is wrong?
aliceanne2009 1 day ago
I like seeing anybody that Susan Sarandon likes get killed.
nitetrane98 1 week ago
People are against the death penalty unless someone close to them died. But revenge and an eye for an eye are not the messages Jesus preached. How can we live in a society where medieval an eye for an eye punishments are still established? I do believe people should be punished for crimes but we have no right to take their lives we don't get to play God.
461penguin 1 week ago
The death penalty should not be taken lightly, nor seen as an act of revenge. It is however a condign punishement for the ultimate crime. My thoughts always return to the victims, who had no last meal, no visitors, no appeals, no last words, no priest, no prayer - just terror and a horrible end. When one kills, one should expect nothing less than permanent eviction from the planet.
sockettuem 1 week ago
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@happyshear Thank's for the joke truly. And you think that murderers and rapists bring love to anyone ?
Do you mean that the best way to deal with murderers and rapists is to offer them women and alcool or something ? that's the really hard and right way to fix problems up !
Once again, thank's for kidding !
54AbdSalam 2 weeks ago
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54AbdSalam 2 weeks ago
its supposed to put other people off from murdering
ProtestantlRA 2 weeks ago
@ProtestantlRA
It's a punishment above all.
54AbdSalam 2 weeks ago
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11111Emt 2 weeks ago
You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
Capital punishment is justice!
kllyba1 3 weeks ago
@kllyba1 perfect.
ledzeplad 2 weeks ago
He raped a girl and killed 2 people. Human rights for humans, that shit isn't a human. Stop defending criminals that rape women. You gonna keep him for 70 years in jail using public money that could be used in schools and others things.
denakop 3 weeks ago
Murdering a murderer makes whatever/whoever does it as guilty as the person they murder. It doesn't make things right, it continues the spiral of evil. I too believe in redemption & that it's not for us to pass such judgement on others. Such acts of revenge are further acts of evil. The death penalty solves nothing, it tears even more lives apart & I'm not just talking about the person on death row. Only God has the right to a final say on a person's life & death, no matter what they've done.
SuperMissblueeyes 3 weeks ago
@SuperMissblueeyes If my dog is put down as a result of biting someone its not punishment or revenge thing toward the dog. The dog is taken out of the equation so it cannot offend again. Im afraid the God bit would be way down your list of sentiment if your son or daughter was on the receiving end of a brutal killing.
ledzeplad 2 weeks ago
@SuperMissblueeyes
When a society do not use the death penalty, the offenders take that for a sign of weakness and slack in community ! that's it !
Death penalty is not a a perfect solution of course ! but it has its reason for existing.
54AbdSalam 2 weeks ago
@SuperMissblueeyes
That's not act of revenge, it's a matter of society defence !
54AbdSalam 2 weeks ago
Does anyone know what the background music is??
MrGrove54 3 weeks ago
I watched this film at school. I felt so uncomfortable and sick. Not only does the killer disturb me, but seeing the events of the murder made me feel ill. I swear I'll never watch this again
TheBrookeization 4 weeks ago
if this video was crap it would be it the toilet oh wait it is a piece of crap
bud12380 1 month ago
I don't believe in death penalty. They're trying to stop killing by killing. I lost a friend a few years ago. But there's no way on earth that I want to see the responsable person getting murdered in public. It doesn't bring my friend back to me. No human being should have the power to decide who deserves to live and die. Murderer's often make that decision but by killing them we do the exact same thing.
Ninaofthe90s 1 month ago 5
@Ninaofthe90s What a lod of rot and I will illustrate what total rubbish it is.
I don't believe in imprisonment for false imprisonment, they're trying to to stop false imprisonment with imprisonment. When we do that to them we're just doing the exact same thing they did.
Better to just tell them they're bad boys and not do that again and send them on their way. A good scolding always works on criminals doesn't it.
tospam1 1 month ago
@Ninaofthe90s Very well said.
Yellyist 1 month ago
One more thing, this is a fake lethal injection. If it was real, would you be seeing Sean Penn in 'I am Sam' or 'Milk?' No you wouldn't.
er10b 1 month ago
@er10b Well no shit, Sherlock...he is an actor. I highly doubt that they would really kill off Sean Penn for real in that scene. I'm sure more than a few somebodys would be pretty upset if that really happened.
Croco83 1 month ago
@Croco83 if I was an actor playing someone being lethally injected I'd request a fake latex armpiece that was at least 1/2 inch thick and have the actors playing the executioners stick the needle in the latex. Reduces the risk of stuffups.
er10b 1 month ago
@er10b You don't say....
Vovexx 4 weeks ago
Wait a minute , ive never seen this movie .But are we supposed to fell sorry for this man??
scrumsie 1 month ago
@scrumsie If you were to watch the movie. You would understand that the man had been proven innocent. The man that actually did commit the murder that the man you see is dying for, got off with Life without Parole. The man you just watched, was innocent of the crime he was accused for.
supr2kat 1 month ago
@supr2kat this guy (Penn) who is being executed himself accepted the crime he committed along with the other guy, so how can he be proven innocent? both of them commit the crime together but the other guys gets off with a life imprisonment and this guy gets death.
davidhindu 1 month ago
@scrumsie yes and no. I don't believe in death penalty. But you obviously don't get it. Why don't u watch the movie instead of asking those questions.
Ninaofthe90s 1 month ago
i Live in singapore were you get hanged if you have over 1.55 mg of weed.
streetz21roller 1 month ago
They had the injection back then? I thought it was a 1999 invention. Well, that shows how much I know....
roberaith 1 month ago 2
@roberaith When Sister Helen Prejean wrote the book, both men (combined into Sean Penns character) died of electrocution. But electrocution it a bit too graphic for a movie of this sort. So while it is kind of not chronologically right, it's done for the viewers own good. So your knowledge was right no worries there.
kaeladancerify 1 month ago
@kaeladancerify Yes, thats exactly what i as saying as well. I really hope i have the opportunity to view this film, have read the book twice, and would like to compare the simularities and differenes..
penpal73 1 month ago
@roberaith It was accepted by the states back in 1977, so the idea of lethal injection must have came long before
AndroidDeviceFan 1 month ago
I haven't had the opportunity to watch this movie yet (other than the 2 scenes that have been posted on youtube) however i have read the book twice. After reading the book (to the best of my judgement) Matthew Poncelet's character is derived from Elmo Patrick Sonnier (who claimed his innocence til death) and Robert Lee Willie. The book makes great strides at abolishing the death penalty through the eyes of Sister Helen Prejean and the effects of improper/poor legal counsel of Sonnier and Willie.
penpal73 1 month ago 2
There aren't two sides to the story.
The guy committed the crime in the when he knew the punishment. Your just a weak bunch of pussies that can't put down a rabid dog. Stop trying to bring down the rest of us. Someone has to protect the Vegan tree hugger's because they are incapable of protecting themselves. Rabbits will be rabbits and the Warrior class will always rule. Now step aside, shut the fuck up and let us do our job unless you want a piece of shit like this to rape and kill you.
kpreston69 1 month ago
I felt sorry for him until he started raping and murdering those kids. This society tries to make us feel sorry for the criminals and disregard the victims and their families. I'd want that son of a bitch dead too if he raped and murdered my daughter.
opalrok 1 month ago
Everytime I watch this scene. I cry.. I kinda felt sorry for Matty (Sean Penn) I believe this movie has two sides to it, the kids who died and their family ... and the killer & his family. Its really sad the kids died, and its sad Matty died too.The Message to this movie= Dont be a follower...be a leader. Because the other guy told on Matty BUT it seems like the other guy should have gotten the death penalty because he did more things than Matty.. never know who your real friends are.
YoungBrieZz 1 month ago 2
Too bad Sean Penn hasn't been fried in real life. Oh well, give us time.
MrBolas33 1 month ago
probably the most powerful movie scene ever starting at 2:40
metalhead1818 1 month ago
I will never forget the part where the "reflections" of William and Hope are visible as Robert Lee Willie dies.
Bravo, Tim Robbins. You made a truly magnificent film.
IHateRidge 2 months ago 10
@IHateRidge
I remember especially the soundtrack they used to show those awful images - by Nusrat Fatah Ali Khan. I am unconditionally against the death penalty but that don't stop me getting all fucked up inside when those crimes were shown.
custardaghost 1 week ago
You get your last dinner. Get a huge never ending one, and eat very, very, very slowly. They won't be able to execute you until you finish, which you never will. :D
forestrocks 2 months ago
The green mile is way better!
TinaaaBallerina 2 months ago
@TinaaaBallerina The green mile isn't in the same bracket as this film. The green mile is a supernatural fantasy while this is gritty down to earth reality.
tospam1 2 months ago 2
she didn't give a shit about the poor kids who were murdered...got her own agenda....all murderers should face the ultimate penalty
junkman19571 2 months ago 2
@junkman19571 It is not up to us to pass such judgement on others, ultimately I cannot support the death penalty because it just creates more death in a world that is utterly saturated with it.
Vanagew1 1 month ago 13
@Vanagew1 but why should we give mercy to a cold blooded murderer? What gives his life more meaning than the person of whom he killed? I see it to be unfair justice to the victim if we allow people who commit such evil crimes to live. And don't even get me started on the costs of keeping someone on life sentence.
YouGotYoinked 1 month ago
@YouGotYoinked I'm not going to talk about costs. The victim is dead, there is nothing that an execution will do to bring him back.
Vanagew1 3 weeks ago
@YouGotYoinked The victim is dead, there is nothing that an execution will do to bring him back. I believe in redemption, that even those who have committed horrific acts can have the chance to redeem themselves. Justice was never about killing the killer, that's merely revenge. The death penalty does not deter crime, it does nothing but divide a society, slate the need for revenge for others and sow discord amongst communities. I haven't even touched on presumed guilt yet either.
Vanagew1 3 weeks ago
@Vanagew1 what about the fate worse than death? how would you feel if the police told you that your eldely mother or 5year daughter wasn't just killed in a bungled robbery she was raped repeatedly for 2 Hours before she had her throat slit?
ledzeplad 2 weeks ago
@ledzeplad
And how will killing them mitigate that? Its just revenge - and another mother grieving.
custardaghost 1 week ago
@custardaghost Its not a revenge thing at all!!! If a man has killed once before or just for the first time he must be treated like a cancer on the body of mankind.....and removed.
ledzeplad 1 week ago
@ledzeplad
You are so very impressed with yourself and your cancer analogy, aren't ya? See if you can think of ways in which cancer cannot be compared with execution. Remember: this is not the hole where you and the rest of your superstitiously-fucked-up, politically-naive fail-buddies go to drink but someplace else entirely - where you get called on your ignorant, self-satisfied "I'm so fucking clever and so fucking righteous" bullshit.
So go on - cancer and execution philosophy:-
custardaghost 1 week ago
@custardaghost "See how cancer cannot be compared with execution"....Sorry my friend, i have to ask- what the fuck are you talking about?? Cancer is an evil insidious disease and it is removed for the sake of the patient. When someone kills another person, they to should be treated as such and cut out from society. NOWHERE, in the afore mentioned text does it refer to execution as a revenge thing!!
ledzeplad 1 week ago
@Vanagew1 If my dog bites someone it gets destroyed, the same should be all offenders towards life.
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MakeupGuruFanatic 1 day ago
with nuns like her no wonder no one goes to church.....
junkman19571 2 months ago
@junkman19571 it's just the catholics. don't worry i'm southern baptist, we're nothing like that.
Staciegwen 2 months ago
Shame this shit really still happens in some "civilised" places
NoDestinyLive4Now 2 months ago
I think it is incredibly hypocritical to kill a man/woman because of murder, or any other reason. Murder is wrong, no matter who is doing it. To kill a person because the person has commited a cime by killing someone, does not make any sense to me, what so ever.
Besides, isn't it better to let the murderer live with what he/she has done? Dying is too easy, and murder is wrong, no matter what. I can understand the family's hatred towards the killer, but I still think that it is wrong.
rikzenz 2 months ago
@rikzenz What you're saying amounts to that it's hypocritical to imprison someone for falsely imprisoning someone else.
And if dying as a punishment was too easy then those sentenced to be executed wouldn't be struggling so hard to avoid it in favour of an entire life in prison.
It's easy for internet philosophers to rave on about how easy execution is when they are sitting in front of a pc and not facing execution.
oppozed1 2 months ago
@oppozed1 I understand what you mean, but that is my OPINION. It is not hypocrisy. And no, I am not just some 'internet philosophe' that just writes my opinion from my screen, I stand for them, I am allowed to have my own opinion. And by the way, you don't know what I have been through, so don't judge me before you even know me.
rikzenz 2 months ago
If that bleeding heart quiff susan saranwrap had watched jack henry abbot die instead of doing her best to help him get out of prison, an innocent guy who was waiting tables would be alive today!
jsilence418 2 months ago
@jsilence418
God Bless You, Truthsayer.
DarrylXE 2 months ago
@DarrylXE Actually she tried to get him out after the scumbag murdered a guy for refusing to let him use a bathroom, just as bad!
jsilence418 2 months ago
I just watched the whole movie for the first time and I honestly think that you take from it what you want. many interpretations.
Sean Penn really showed what I believe to be fear when he said his last words. Great acting but what I took from the film was he deserved what he got. The kids experienced fear, not knowing and completely innocent minding their own. This dude was guilty and deserved execution by the harshest means, he gave up his rights to humanity when he killed those kids.
kpreston69 3 months ago 4
@kpreston69 I understand that he did do something extremely horrible but i dont think that killing him is right. Christ wouldnt have done that. Christ wouldnt have hunted him down, He was incredibly sorry for what he had done and had
97sarria 2 months ago
a change of heart which was all that mattered because if he had only recieved prison without parole he would have still recieved punishment and might have done some good to the world and and saying he gave up his rights to humanity is OUT OF LINE! CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IS INHUMANE!!!
97sarria 2 months ago
@kpreston69 Do you think killing him will bring those kids back. Of course not! If the death penalty worked we would see evidence of decreased crime now. "To take a life when a life has been lost is revenge, not justice" Desmond Tutu. Yet think on this - "The reality is that capital punishment in America is a lottery. It is a punishment that is shaped by the constraints of poverty, race, geography and local politics" Bryan Stevenson
Vanagew1 1 month ago 2
(and even further) such acts are completely legal and justified. I guess I just think that law and morality are not always on the same page with regards to capital punishment. And one should be very careful when they assume that execution is fine whereas murder is terrible. They are different words for the same act (I'm not saying that murder is justifiable or that all executions are murder. Just that there are too many grey areas for my liking).
oddba11 3 months ago
(continued further) vigilantism may result in a guilty person being brought to justice. But without a legal document to prove that its ok the people who brought on this justice are also murderers in the eyes of the law. I just think that there are too many variables with the death penalty and its relationship with law. Even now, most westerners are disgusted by tales of executions for adultery and political subversion in the middle east and Africa. But in the laws of these countries......
oddba11 3 months ago
what the fuck is wrong with america.. god someone save our corrupt nation..
knubzftw 3 months ago
this is MURDER
VampiresBiteHard666 3 months ago
To Susan, you portrayed my real cousin sister prejeant. On my mother's side.About the Pope calling him a nazi. That was a funny time. In Hilter's time you were eighter a communist or go with the Hitler's youth.If you were a communist, Hitler killed you.The real guy didn't even pull the trigger. But, he was with the guy that did. They have a stupid louisiana law, it you are with the person who murders,you are guilty too.
josette4231 3 months ago
Rest in Peace Troy Davis !
IRiiiFT 3 months ago
Ugly death dritfing hook women and off drifted guilty bad pedofile murder.
danielhighmafioso 3 months ago
Fuck it he is a rapist hang him twice!
Hurlanator 3 months ago
He seems like he wont re offend but we will never know
Hurlanator 3 months ago
The minute a murderer kills someone they LOSE their right to live. Once you kill an innocent, you cease to be human. You become a VICIOUS ANIMAL that needs to be put down. Not out of cruelty, but for safety. Just like when we put down vicious animals at the vet or when wildlife officials have to put down dangerous alligators in Florida for attacking people.
MadFNMax 3 months ago
@ALL OF YOU ANTI DEATH PENALTY CRY BABIES. So you're saying that Steven Hayes and Josh Komisarjevski, the human wastes of life who RAPED, TORTURED, AND BURNED 3 WOMEN ALIVE in THE CHESHIRE, CT murders deserve to live? It is you who are evil. You are PATHETIC for feeling sympathy for any murderer who kills innocent women and children. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Its ok for murderers to kill our loved ones but its not ok for the state to return the favor? Yur no better than the murderers
MadFNMax 3 months ago
@MadFNMax and the Government is no better than the murderer. I believe in solitary confinement where they have no sun light or human contact for the rest of their lives. I say we should let people like that go insane.
DirtyHarry135 3 months ago
@DirtyHarry135 Not that would be illegal and ethically wrong in the eyes of the goverement and the law, however illogical that may sound (ironic huh). Maybe because the point of prison is partly to rehabilitate the inmates, not just to store them and keep them away from society, so that when they go back out the can be functional law-abiding contributing citizens of society.
gigi1bokus 3 months ago
This quite literally just made me sick to my stomach.
ttztotdca55 3 months ago
Murderers DESERVE the death penalty. I don't see how or why anyone would feel sympathy or compassion for a murderer. Did the murderer show compassion to the victim? NO. So the murderer DESERVES NO SYMPATHY.
MadFNMax 3 months ago
@MadFNMax a) only in very few cases can you be 100% certain that a person is guilty of murder... so with your logic you could potentially be killing innocent people. b) How can you claim that killing someone is the wrong by then doing the exact same thing to them? c) I am sympathetic to murders (not as sympathetic as I am to the victim obviously), but I do feel sorry for them that they turned out the way they did and in doing so ruined their lives and the lives of others
griffik1 3 months ago 11
@griffik1
Surgeons sometimes accidentally kill people during surgery. Should we do away with medicine or surgery? Innocent people MAY very well die in the administration of the death penalty from time to time (though nowhere near as often as the liberal kooks insist), and it sucks. But that doesn't mean the death penalty is unjust or should be done away with. It simply means that society must do its very best to make it as perfect. as we do the control of nuclear weapons.
DarrylXE 3 months ago
@DarrylXE worst reply ever!! surgeons do occasionally ACCIDENTALLY kill, but surgery is a process to try and save lives, whereas execution is not.......so piss poor comparison!! Your opinion of the death penalty would change dramatically if you or one of your family members were one of the few innocent ones sacrificed!!!
griffik1 3 months ago
@griffik1
The death penalty is a "process" of protecting society from the criminal actually executed and from the ascendancy of lawlessness, generally. It isn't perfect, but it will have to do until enough of me are gone to make way for enough of you. And I am making sure my children feel the same way.
DarrylXE 3 months ago
@DarrylXE Imprisonment is another "process of protecting society from the criminal" .... you can protect society without barbaric methods like the death penalty!
you say it will have to make do until enough of you are gone?... The death penalty only exists in very few civilised places today, people who think like you do are becoming fewer with each day! With any luck your children shall think the same as me
griffik1 3 months ago
@griffik1
"People who think like me" aren't becoming fewer. We're just getting tired of arguing with the forces of darkness, criminality and evil. Don't confuse "quiet" with "non-existent." And even if "people like you" outlawed state-sanctioned capital punishment, it would exist anywhere decent men gather, outraged and armed.
DarrylXE 3 months ago
@DarrylXE If they are getting quieter how do you know it's not because those thoughts don't exist? surely you can't have asked them all?... I suggest you don't confuse what you beleive to be "quiet" with "non-existent". People don't get tired of arguing for what they believe in... unless they realise they are in the wrong
griffik1 3 months ago
@griffik1
Google "Gallup Poll Death Penalty." Most Americans want these bastards dead. Selah.
DarrylXE 3 months ago
@DarrylXE "In U.S., Support for Death Penalty Falls to 39-Year Low"... and the ones that do support it are predominantly over 30.... and that sample is just people in the US (where the death penalty exists so they have grown up with it and are more likely to believe it's right)
griffik1 3 months ago
@griffik1
"In U.S., Nearly Two-Thirds Support Death Penalty"---And this is AFTER 20 years of Mumia-Abu-Jamal/Amnesty International/Susan Sarandon propaganda. And thank GOD people under 30 vote in such small and spotty numbers.
DarrylXE 3 months ago
@DarrylXE not going to lie, I couldn't beleive that 2/3 of americans support the death penalty. Really disgusted by that statistic tbh, but thank god it's getting less and less year by year, as the old fuddy duddys who believe capital punishment is a valid method to control society die out
griffik1 3 months ago
@griffik1
I am 34, my wife is 31. We both believe in the death penalty. I have since I was a kid. What's right is right.
DarrylXE 3 months ago
@DarrylXE no...what one considers to be right is what one considers to be right. Like I 34 and 31... like I say old fuddy duddys support capital punishment
griffik1 3 months ago
@griffik1
Your kind's days are numbered, thank god.
DarrylXE 3 months ago
@DarrylXE it's your kind that are in decline, "thank god"
griffik1 3 months ago
@griffik1 Agreed. Not much to argue with there. But I say you can prove more than 70% as they are voluntarily pleaded guilty by the defendant.
nyk3334 2 months ago
@griffik1 so then what about execution on the spot of the crime when the few times cops actualy make it to the crime scene and protect the people who are being attacked?
solidussnake9000 2 months ago
@solidussnake9000 I'm not sure I understand what you are getting at. It's a completely different situation at the scene of a crime where police need to take action to protext the innocent, who's welfare obviously comes first. If someone is waving a gun around and is beleived to be a threat... then the police should (and do) take action.
What I am talking about is completely different though, where executing someone will not serve to protect the innocent. So your comment lacks relevance
griffik1 2 months ago
@MadFNMax People like you, are influenced by the devil. Theres no right in killing no one. If that person committed a crime, only " GOD " can judge them, not man. Thats why this world is going to end pretty soon.
1nonlydtrey3 3 months ago
@1nonlydtrey3 agreed... without the god part... and the world ending bit
griffik1 3 months ago
This movie was a JOKE. He got the chair, not the needle.
ChristopherSaindon 3 months ago
On an imate's death cetificate after being executed it's stated as murder (homicide) but the goverment state's it as legal homicide, Murder is murder in my opinion no matter who carry's it out, But i also understand the victim and the victim's family must see justice in one form or the other..
MrNewyork1975 3 months ago
this really gives me the creeps. severely. it disturbs me in the deepest part of my soul and mind. O.o -shiver- it's not normal for a movie to do that to me.
wtfx0xbabe202 3 months ago
@wtfx0xbabe202 I think it's intended to do that to you. The makers of this film are clearly anti death penalty and the intention is to bring home to you the cold reality of strapping a man down on a table and deliberately killing him with poison.
oppozed1 3 months ago
@oppozed1 it is extremely well done. they don't make a lot of movies like this anymore.
wtfx0xbabe202 3 months ago
what's name of this movie?
KoalaGaL 3 months ago
Ironic how she gives him an alcohol swab at 4:58. I mean we can't let a guy we're about to kill get an infection...
hibob418 3 months ago
@hibob418 incase something happens, by the miracle of whomever, that he comes back to life, or somehow survives the lethal injection, he will be exonerated and let free. it's a very strange thing O.o
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DickieAnginson 3 months ago
Yes but we have already punished them by jail time how would you feel if you got drunk by accident and killed someone so now your hooked up and tortured blame alchohol not d person
MADDoGPRODUCTIONS64 3 months ago
another liberal ass movie. what a joke
mcslowlife 4 months ago
You guys are retarded!!! If we didn't kill prisoners, your tax dollars go into their safety and food ... Anndd we don't "punish" them by killing them, we SAVE LIVES by killing them, with them out of jail, they will assuredly kill more, you trying save them by sending them into a safe and secure place is wrong and evil, they are life takers, taking anything less than their life makes you worse.
Peeppole 4 months ago
@Peeppole Do you want to know how much of your tax dollars go into a death penalty trial? It costs near $2.5 million to kill a man, and a measly $500k to keep him in prison for life. The economic argument is completely against the death penalty.
s0merand0mdude95 3 months ago
@s0merand0mdude95 So, you're saying that a human life is less then 2.5 million dollars, tell that to the families that had their children/ parents murdered in front of them.
Peeppole 3 months ago
@Peeppole Umm... what?
s0merand0mdude95 3 months ago
You guys are retarded!!! If we didn't kill prisoners, your tax dollars go into their safety and food ... Anndd we don't "punish" them by killing them, we SAVE LIVES by killing them, with them out of jail, they will assuredly kill more, you trying save them by sending them into a safe and secure place is wrong and evil, they are life takers, taking anything less than their life makes you worse.
Peeppole 4 months ago
What interests me is how can the executioners, the witnesses, the court and the politicians be completely innocent when they are effectively doing the same thing as the prisoner. They make a decision to end someone's life, some of them actually carry out the sentence and the witnesses obviously gain some sort of satisfaction from watching a man die. They seem to be the same processes that contribute towards murder, but they are absolved of all guilt by a few legal documents that say its ok...
oddba11 4 months ago 12
If a family member of one of the murderers victims went out and killed the murderer themselves, isn't it still "an eye for an eye"? But this would not be legal and would result in them perhaps even recieving the death penalty themselves. I just cannot quite grasp how someone having their life taken away from them after years of court cases, paperwork and confinement is any different to that in the end.
oddba11 4 months ago
@oddba11 good now apply it to those who don't mind taking scissors and ripping a baby out of their mother to have its skull cracked open for abortion and get mad at those that kill an animal because it bites someone. i seem to be the only person here not hypocritical about all this. liberals have double standards on how the death penalty is wrong yet they almost virtually support abortion, conservatives have double standards too but at least in their case the person did in fact do something.
ultradumbass 3 months ago
@oddba11 I disagree. Whilst I find the ritualitsic nature of this perhaps even more disturbing than the actual original murder/rape, I would have to say that if that had been done to my son, or my daughter, or my sister, I would watch, and I would scream, and never forget the moment that my tormentor suffered beyond comprehension. The 'guilt' you observe is not of murder, but of revenge, and the 'legal papers' that make the distinction are not so blinkered as to ignore that.
rmccaw7 3 months ago
@oddba11 I find your argument fallacious. What your basically doing is drawing a moral equivalency between the murderer and the innocent victim of that murderer.
rosario508 3 months ago
@rosario508 Hmm, I don't believe there is a moral equivalency between killing an innocent person and executing a murderer. But I do feel that it is an identical act (to take someone's life against their will), but with one person absolved from any guilt or blame because the law is on their side. This makes me uncomfortable for a number or reasons. For example, the executioners in totalitarianist regimes had the law on their side when they effectively murdered political prisoners and were thus..
oddba11 3 months ago
@oddba11 I'm sorry it's not an "identical act". You say that you don't believe there's a moral equivalency but then you contridict your self in the very next sentance. And there is absolutely no comparison between a totalitarian regime killing and torturing it's citizens for trivial reasons and a free country like America bringing a known murderer to justice. I'm not gung-ho on the death penalty by the way. I agree it should only be used when the guilt is 100% fact.
rosario508 2 months ago
@rosario508 (continued) absolved of any blame at the time. But does that mean that they are not morally culpable for physically carrying out some of the worst atrocities in history? Also, what if the condemned is fairly and legally convicted of murder based on the evidence at the time, but then new evidence comes to light after their execution which absolves them of any blame? Thus the executioner has killed an innocent person, so surely he is a murderer? At the other end of the scale...
oddba11 3 months ago
@oddba11 What a fucked up statement you made.
Think about what you just typed. Its apparent you have never been a victim. But that is ok, we ALL gotta dies sometime. LOL
democratichypocrit 3 months ago
@oddba11 There's a BIG difference in what you call murder as opposed to how the murderer did it. If a man is out there killing INNOCENT people (that word innocent is important) then taking the murderer's life so that it isn't possible for him to continue taking innocent lives is justified. The court system isn't taking the life of an innocent man, they are taking the life of someone who was out there taking other people's innocent lives.
HumorousLOL 3 months ago
well if u do not understand then ask the family whose family was killed in cold blood.
and if it happen to any of yours would u give them a sandwich.
SuperMalka 4 months ago
Killing a man is inhuman. It's as simple as that.
sfel3 4 months ago
@sfel3 So what is raping and murdering a couple of innocent teenagers? If you think executing an animal like that is inhuman then what he did was a thousand times worse making him lower than an animal. He was put down like a rabid dog and that's what he deserved.
Simple as that.
tospam1 4 months ago
@tospam1 Infact I said killing a man is inhuman. Does this sentence exclude the victims of a murderer? I don't think so. Killing is inhuman both if done by a murderer and if done by the government. What is, by the way, the right punishment in case an innocent is executed?
sfel3 4 months ago
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My brother Markus Bott had been tortured during 5.5 years by the German BND,the former GESTAPO.I recorded more than 100 videotapes which ended up in the legal system.My brother was tortured 1.5 years while several legal procedures pending.He was assassinated on July 11th 2009 because of our homepage and our book Der Totalitäre Staat.If my homepage disappears,the BND will have assassinated me as well.BND snitchers are thumbing me down
So thumbs up if you want the BND to stop torturing my parents
wwwtotalitaerde 4 months ago
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My brother Markus Bott had been tortured during 5.5 years by the German BND,the former GESTAPO.I recorded more than 100 videotapes which ended up in the legal system.My brother was tortured 1.5 years while several legal procedures pending.He was assassinated on July 11th 2009 because of our homepage and our book Der Totalitäre Staat.If my homepage disappears,the BND will have assassinated me as well.BND snitchers are thumbing me down
So thumbs up if you want the BND to stop torturing my parents
wwwtotalitaerde 4 months ago
what`s the point in killing the killer?
why not just force him to work in mines for the entire rest of his life with a chemical castration?
where is the punishment in a quick death?
Aeshmauniversus 4 months ago
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@Aeshmauniversus this isn't hard labor.
IxiDoMiNaTiONxI 4 months ago
@Aeshmauniversus Well if it were you instead of him being strapped down on that table you would have a quick change of heart on whether or not it's a punishment.
And do you think they spend so much effort trying to avoid it because it's no punishment? Get real. It's the ultimate punishment.
oppozed1 4 months ago
@oppozed1 nevermind, you yankees are too much backward to understand, it is like teaching the alphabet to a caveman.
Aeshmauniversus 4 months ago
@Aeshmauniversus What are you? Fortune teller? If so you're shite at it because you can't tell the difference between an American and a Brit.
So stick to fantasising about people rather than addressing what they say. It's patently obvious you grunted your first post with no depth of understanding on the topic.
And you're literacy is shockingly poor btw. "too much backward" ??? LOL
oppozed1 4 months ago
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@oppozed1 yeah yeah, you can barely speak yank, i speak and write 3 languages fluently,m european!
can you? stupid ass mcdonald.
Aeshmauniversus 4 months ago
One of the most harrowing moments on film, ever. So horrible.
Sindizwe 4 months ago
They showed me this in my goverment class 2day
Polkhg28isback 4 months ago
@almadonorte death for a death
IceaSmith 4 months ago
I found this movie so intense, I mean he was a bad bad bad man....but does that really give society the right to stoop to his level?? Great...but terrible movie
BeccyMann 4 months ago
@BeccyMann Isn't that a bit like saying putting someone in prison for falsely imprisoning someone else is stooping to their level?
The plain facts are that execution is the law where he comitted this crime so he can have no complaints of injustice when they carry out the sentence.
Don't want to be executed? Then don't rape and murder.
tospam1 4 months ago
@tospam1 Well, don't you think its hypocritical to say that killing is wrong by killing someone. I think the real question is..(the sister in the movie said this...this is based on a true story) its not do they deserve to die but does society have the right to kill them. I mean, yes they shouldn't do it in the first place but we as society doesn't have the right to commit the same sin...and eye for an eye isn't relevant anymore...why put more blood on people's hands.
BeccyMann 4 months ago
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Sieg Heil to the Fuhrer Adolf Hitler
NoShame86 4 months ago
In Troy Davis' case tonight his chosen witnesses were removed from the list - his family meetings were interrupted early as he was made to go for a physical (prior to killing him) - they seem to be trying to make his last hours as distressing as possible.
DJSpinoza 4 months ago
Troy davis
Spuddfluff 4 months ago
he raped!!! die dog... die... trash man...
manoelramon 4 months ago
isn't it ironic how they sterilize his arm right before they ask him if he has any last words?
superkevin2009 4 months ago
In my country, the death penalty is better, more mercy, once convicted they are put to death instantly within the next few days, they are not in small cages and escorted by cold face people strapted down to a table with needles in a cold room, thats torure, where i come from, they are treated with respect, even till the end, then they have either a bullet to the head or beheaded.
hudfadz 4 months ago
@hudfadz The reason they spend so much time on death row is to give them enough time to exhaust their appeals to reduce the chance that an innocent person is executed. I wonder how many people have been executed in your country when they didn't deserve it. Besides have you ever seen someone get shot or beheaded? Beheading rarely takes one blow and anything can go wrong when you shoot someone, give me the needle any day rather than butchering or splattering me over the wall
TheRhinehart86 4 months ago
I don't understand how a country as developed as United States still defends death penalty! It makes no sense to kill someone in order to punish him no matter what crime he commited. How can a country pass the message that it's wrong to kill, when death penalty is legal?! Soory but I just don't get it!
almadonorte 4 months ago 12
@almadonorte you know what though, death penalty is more humane than life without parole, even if he had been spared the death penalty it is doubtful he would ever have been pardoned and released, i do believe in death but by firing squad since it is more humane than lethal injection, and for those that are not sentenced to death it should either be a set number of years ranging from15-20 years or life WITH parole, life without parole i think should be scrapped before the death penalty is.
ultradumbass 3 months ago
@almadonorte
A ridiculous argument. We teach that it's wrong to steal by "stealing" freedom. We teach that it's wrong to assault or rape people by putting felons in an environment in which they very well may be assaulted or raped. And we teach both the criminal and the observing society that it is wrong to kill by killing murderers. It is just to do so, which is why we call it JUSTICE. Murderers choose to kill and risk being caught and know that by killing people, they forfeit their humanity.
DarrylXE 3 months ago
@almadonorte im not gonna defend the death penalty. its pretty primative, i'll agree with you on that. but its not for any crime committed. only murder. but it is wrong, and i don't condone it.
sakiaki 3 months ago
@almadonorte
Do you have any idea how many potential criminals this death penalty has supressed? And why do you give so much attention for the heartless murderer and forget about the pains of the victim's family's pain?? THAT doesn't make sense.
Shi3i4lyf 3 months ago
@Shi3i4lyf I'm skeptical that the death penalty has suppressed any criminals. Nobody commits a crime thinking they're going to get caught. Nobody says to himself, "If it was just life without parole, well, I'd go right ahead and kill that dude, but since they might execute me, I'll just go to McDonald's instead." From an empirical point of view, there's no statistical evidence that the death penalty serves as a deterrent. In fact, states without the death penalty have a lower murder rate.
toddjh 3 months ago
@toddjh
I'm unsure about the accuracy of your statistics, but even if we assume that you are right, why would you go out of your way to defend the criminals' wish to stay alive when they did not have any regard whatsoever for the weak, innocent lives that they took? The problem with your argument is that you give no regard for the victims and their families. Additionally, you treat the cold murderers as human beings when their actions prove otherwise.
Shi3i4lyf 3 months ago
@Shi3i4lyf I'm more worried about the proven instances of innocent people being put to death only to be cleared later by new evidence. I think letting a few murderers rot in jail instead of being executed (after 20 years of rotting in jail) is an acceptable price to pay to prevent such terrible mistakes.
There's also the practical issue that the death penalty is applied inconsistently by race in this country. I'd prefer not to have that sort of thing institutionalized by the state.
toddjh 3 months ago
@Shi3i4lyf I do feel for the victim's family, but I also feel for the murderer's family. They're just as innocent as the victim's family; they committed no crime, and no matter how vile the killer is, he's still someone's son or someone's brother, and in many cases they can't help but love him. To force them to experience his death, right in front of their eyes no less while they sit helplessly by, strikes me as needlessly cruel.
toddjh 3 months ago
@almadonorte If you were toured, raped, beaten and then killed in the slowest way possible, would you want the person who did it dead? Don't say no because you know you would. No matter how dramatic this video shows. What would you want them to do? What would you suggest? Letting them free to kill and rape again? Your government dose it for a reason. To show that if you Fuck with it and its people, you get Fucked harder.
Fallout3Tec 3 months ago
Do you think people really yell in anger like that when they get escorted to the death chamber? I'd have thought they'd be too frightened to move, let alone say anything. A lot of people poo themselves.
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