Bunkai Bassai-dai

[bikizuzu]

Always one of my favourite forms...nice job showing the applications!

[jiggahippo]

I always enjoy looking at tecchinques like this. Tech that are never used in sparring or kumite. Why have them?

[RHBMSYBEEBYSAB]

Form is not perfect, but the applications of the kata's techniques seem effective, regardless of the pre-arrangement. Overall very good.

[zalexia27]

i'm learning bassai dai now i got the kata but honestly it showed me so much more watching this thank u.

[karatekatatraining]

great movie! and cool insights in Bassai Dai too!

[fuckingcuntbollocks1]

awesome

[alxgallant]

Excellent demo

[elnechydotaz]

excelente bunkai jajajaja me gusto mucho tu definicion de tori y uke excelente bukai hermano

[alxgallant]

Excellent demostration of shotokan technique and practical use.

[tesmitaresplandor]

tu kata es muy rapida no se aprecia lo siento

[Koryuhoka]

Entre los mejores bunkai de Shotokan en el YT.

[anthrax1980]

hey, why are you people arguing? if you see karate as a sport then you will argue the whole day bcoz in sport karate you are not allowed to crush your opponents testicles or chop your opponents throat or twist the neck. karate is design for killing as much as possible in just one single blow/attack to conserve energy for your next kill. Oss!

[becs5120]

At last...someone at least trying to understand real life.....

Although blocking a punch with a kick is complete garbage.....at least there is a small understanding here.........

[Ronin6575]

I kind of like it...and forget form when doing bunkai....Form has nothing to do with protecting yourself in an emergency.

[GiCzar]

Muito ruim. Teatrinho sem vergonha...

[MegaFun20]

these are not bassai dai bunkai...it's awful...and also this man who is trying to execute bunkai....they are killing this kata for reall..too shame.....

[DerSchleifer22]

@MegaFun20

Hm, could you please tell me what real Bassai-Dai Bunkai is? The Bunkai of these Guys is awsome. They use all principles of the Bassai-Dai (power, too overrun the opponent) and they use all Kata techniques and put it in a functional way. Karate is selfdefense what else, and thats what these guys do. Ok, they didn't do Kihon-Bunkai. Kihon-Bunkai is useless, it should only be used to teach the Beginners. Later, Karate has to become a fighting art. And that's what we see here.

[MegaFun20]

@DerSchleifer22 yes but if you see how they execute bassai dai it has nothing to do with the bunkai....maybe they are creating other moves to impress the audience if someone doesn't know anything about karate.....thge real bassai dai bunkai is better than this one and more real.........visit my channel...and find bassai dai bunkai...

[DerSchleifer22]

@MegaFun20

Hi, now I checked your channel, but the only video I found was the simple JKA standard Kihon-Bunkai of Bassai-Dai. This Bunkai should only be taught to beginners, because this Bunkai would never work in a real fight. It only works on standardized Shotokan Kihon-Techniques. In a real selfedefense-situation this bunkai would fail. In this video, Karate is nothing more than a good show and gymnastic.

[MegaFun20]

@DerSchleifer22 yes but i still believe that in ashow you should execute the real way of bassai dai...but if you keep believe in your opinion...that's all right

[Ronin6575]

@DerSchleifer22 Real bunkai is any bunkai that works in an emergency!

Trying to do it the way it is done in a kata is foolish and a waste of time. These guys didn't do badly.

[DerSchleifer22]

@Ronin6575

That's what I said.

[Ronin6575]

@MegaFun20 Katas are merely references ...they contain techniques which must be modified in order to work on the street. What you are accustomed to is textbook bunkai with no application.  Get out and see what people are doing will you.

[MegaFun20]

@Ronin6575 I.M NOT TAKING THIS TOO FAR.....THINK AND SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT...I INSIST IN MY OPINION....AND YOU IN YOURS.....IF YOU EVER BEEN TAUGHT KARATE YOU WOULD KNOW MORE....AND SPECIFIC THINGS

[Ronin6575]

@MegaFun20 I have been practicing shotokan and this kata since the mid-1960's....

How about you? I have trained in bunkai both with Japanese instructors and Okinawan instructors. The Okinawan bunkai are the real deal, and what the Japanese teach is ok, but is not street worthy. Do your own research and keep an open mind

[MegaFun20]

@Ronin6575 so you are telling me that knowing karate is something you have to show off?please don't be rediculous...ok you know karate and maybe you know adifferent way of karate ...so what?what's the big deal?the point is how you learn and execute it...doing karate for years doesn't mean you know karate.think about it......and don't be absolute to everything,,...

[Ronin6575]

@MegaFun20 I don't believe that is what I said. I simply meant that the way you practice it and they way you use it in a life or death situation may be quite different.

One way is to develop your form and coordination, and the other ( the practical application ) is how you use it when someone is trying to hurt you.

[MegaFun20]

@Ronin6575 ok whatever.........

[Ronin6575]

@MegaFun20 Does that mean you understand or have no idea what I was talking about? Typical reply from young people who actually think they know something.

[soparamens]

Gracias por el video, me va a servir mucho para cuando presente el 1er dan

[moounit]

Magnets are molecules that are polar (have a negative charge at one end and a positive charge at the other end) create an electromagnetic field. This is the result of basic molecular forces. If you have a substance made up of polar molecules and align them all the same way, the fields add together to produce one big field.

[bertthepickle]

Some really good ideas in here guys. You might want to work on a couple of things though. First the attacker is starting his assault from too far away. Most attacks are committed after your assailant has gotten in your face - they would be much closer than you show here. Second, you need to work on having the attacker throw big haymaker punches and also for him to grab them punch. Both common assualts and both easily dealt with by bassai dai.

[hellmoth]

Great stuff guys; you know what you are doing.

To me it is a cross over kata that takes a practicioner into free fight mode and shows the possibilities within earlier katas. All of the stuff of past postings are valid; but as far as I understand, Karate trains specific skills and concepts at specific times. What these guys are doing is appropriate for the kata.

[YouthFist76]

Great explanation! Love the background music as well. I am currently working on this Kata, but mine is called Pal Sek. Its a little bit different. Thank you for sharing *****

[FiasaPower]

Excelente bunkai , meus cumprimentos !

Okinawa Shorinryu Brasil .

A paz .

[John10391]

Finally, someone who knows how to make karate work under combative stress. Anyone with a negative comment about this video is not a real martial artist. To understand karate you must get in touch with its combative roots. The purpose of training in the martial arts is for self defense, not competiton. The Martial arts is for warriors not athletes, as most karate-do practitioners are.

[ArkBlanc]

Too right mate.

[rudymagno]

me parecio muy buena la aplicación che, un saludo de Quito.

Rudy

[pyong69]

the yamasuki is a double punch, suki(or tsuki, i'm not completely sure) = punch

[PanicusVulgaris]

???? This is Bassai Dai Bunkai??? It's a nice collection of effective techniques for certain situations, but it has nothing to do with Bassai Dai Bunkai. All Shotokan Kata were created long time ago and were passed on unchanged, along with their intended Bunkai. If somebody does not know a Bunkai for a specific Kata, it would be a lot more appropriate to admit it than to make up and improvize. Kata have been carried over for centuries unchanged. Who are we to change them?

[wael77]

There's nothing wrong with looking for as many interpretations of a kata as you can. Just because a certain bunkai was passed down, it doesn't mean that others are invalid. Who knows, maybe the master who created the kata had several possible interpretations in mind. In any case, it's not the word of God. Nothing wrong with innovating. All martial arts evolve.

[quagmire1807]

And where are those intended bunkai to be found? I've never seen anyone claim to have the official bunkai for any kata.

[PanicusVulgaris]

Bunkai of a Kata should be taught along with Kata, by instructor who's teaching you. Unfortunayely, there is many instructors who do not know proper Bunkai themselves, so they improvise It's a lot more prudent, IMHO, to admit if I do not know the intended meaning of some technique in a Kata, than to make it up. Look at the video "Bunkai do Bassai Dai" here on youtube from user Gardena2100. That's the proper Bunkai, taught by JKA instructors. Exactly as I learned it some 29 years ago.

[quagmire1807]

I just watched the video, and can say quite unreservedly that the bunkai shown is invalid, simply because it bears no resemblance to the reality of violent assaults. Karate was a civil tradition of self-defence, and as human anatomy has not changed since its conception, we can assume that Okinawans would have dealt with identical methods of assault as humans at any other time or place. It should be blatantly obvious that such bunkai are removed from the reality that karate sought to deal with.

[PanicusVulgaris]

@quagmire1807 did you at least bother to take a look at who is showing that Bunkai? It's all high ranking JKA instructors! I don't think you and I are competent enough to question their knowledge. As for the efficiency of their teachings: I would LOVE to see a match between the guys in this video (or ANY ONE you deem efficient in their Karate) and those in "Bunkai do Bassai Dai".

[quagmire1807]

You've missed the point. Let me restate - those bunkai are interpreting the kata as defences against movements that one would never encounter in a real assault. An assault doesn't begin with your attacker squaring up outside kicking range, throwing a gyaku-tsuki that would not land even if the defender did nothing, and then standing there compliantly while the defender "blocks" the incoming punch and then... turns to another opponent to repeat the farce. Do you not see what is readily apparent?

[PanicusVulgaris]

I didn't miss the point my friend, you missed the topic. I don't know how exactly long you've been practicing Shotokan, but I can tell it's just a couple of years, at best.Karate takes some time to get you to a level where you can use it in real life fight. Oi Tsuki, Shuto Uke, deep stances don't make much sence to a beginner as they are not meant to teach you in few months how to survive street fights.Rather, the whole educational process of Karate teaches you not to get into such situations.

[quagmire1807]

So the aim of the unrealistic movements is to teach you to avoid fights? Had I said such a thing about any other martial art you'd likely be laughing your ass off.

No, the reason karate exists is because Okinawans, like every other person who doesn't live in a comfortable bubble in the first world, realised violence cannot always be avoided. That's why they learned to FIGHT. And it should be ovcious if you don't train for reality, like in your JKA vid, you won't be able to deal with it for real.

[hellmoth]

I think you have missed the point of Kata. Kata is not reality; it is a bank of concepts. As such play and experimentation is expected. The practical, the rediculous and the possible.

[hellmoth]

Bunkai invalid? Bunkai is play. Karate in regards to violent assaults works. Just check out the number of individuals who are involved with front line security work whose base style is Karate. I have 26 years of Jiu Jitsu training - Karate works! Bunkai is not karate application; it is play.

[BandanaBoy123]

Why is that "proper" bunkai?

[hellmoth]

There is no official bunkai.

[Ronin6575]

@PanicusVulgaris These katas have changed many times over the past 100 years and are quite different from there earlier versions, from the early 20th century.

The bunkai have changed even more since going to Japan from Okinawa in the 1920's. You need to read more so you get your information straight

[lovingisdeath]

Did someone actually use the word dangerosity?

[wael77]

He's not a native English speaker. Try posting in Japanese and see how you do.

[lovingisdeath]

Simmer down now! I was just a jest.

[MasOyama10dan]

OSU

[DefightSystem]

Muy Bueno , el mejor Bunkai que he visto !

[anttialeksanteri]

Very nice and versatile bunkais. Nicely done too, good speed and flow from one movement to another.

Only small critique: many of the bunkai seem to be against oi-zuki, which nobody uses as an attack in real life. In real life lapel grabs, chokes, bear hugs, circular punches etc. are more likely. But of course many of the bunkai can be used against many different attacks.

All in all a very nice video. Nice music too.

[EdithDenise]

No kime or vision in kata performance. Bunkai seems to be his interpretation and looks not applicable. There is no kime in his bunkai.  Shotokan karate is known for its kime and strong technique of which there are none here. Look to traditional shotokan bunkai.

[ptboyindenver]

Yes kime is missing in his kihon, but that is individual shortcoming. Yes it is his interpretation, but bunkai should always be individual interpretation. His is extremely applicable. 2 rules of bunkai -"Does it work?" & "Would you do it?" The traditional JKA bunkai I've learned over 30 years are laughably bad. Most do not work.and I would never do them. Kata bunkai is not kihon nor kumite. It is the 3rd leg of the karate stool. Kata is an outline - you write your own self-defense story.

[SenseiShotokan]

I've seen many people on youtube pretending that the person has "no kime". Unless you are a master, you cannot really SEE it ON A PERSON. TO observe the kime, you need to observ the consequences on the opponent. In this case, when you practice with a partner, you need to control your KIME, due to the dangerosity. You cannot give 100%of your kime. If you want to do that use makiwara or something like that. The kime is by definition a short and intense release of energy on point of impact.

[SenseiShotokan]

What you and EdithDenise are trying to say is that he was not "concentrated" mentally, he was not "focused". You will then have to use the word ZANCHIN. He had no ZANCHIN. But do not use the word KIME please;), it's another thing;). Yes one of the parameter to have a good kime is to be focused, to have a strong spirit of decision. But it's just one of the parameters to have a good kime;), the other parameters cannot really be "observed just by watching the person performing the mouvement".

[SenseiShotokan]

Anyway, good luck in your martial art practicemy friend.

[ninjastorm]

I respect your comment very much, well said =)

[joopsnoop]

Actually I like his bunkai. A lot of good workable techniques. A lot of traditional bunkai is not realistic so we all have to find our own realism and our own karate. He has found his perhaps? Have you found yours? :)

[SenseiShotokan]

EdithDenise, note that the "kime" MUST be controlled when practicing with a partner. You cannot use 100% of your kime on your partner due to the dangerosity. You can do it on a makiwara or a punching bag. Finally, unless you are a master, you cannot "SEE" just "watching" someone if he has a KIME or not. KIME means: Penetrating energy. Kime is the short and intense release of energy at the point of impact.

[AleksandrShaikhiev]

Чет мне ашь смешно смотреть!

[dsadrian]

Really good bunkai demonstration. Very solid and realistic application of the kata.

Osu!

[metalrulez1000]

that was very good...solid bunkai with real life applications that actually WORK! =]

exelent (Y)

[hYdratatiOn]

Wow. Really cool. Keep up the good job

[jippzmcghee]

some of the applications seem a bit weird, but a lot of that looks downright perfect. it's my understanding that so long as you can find a practical application for a technique or set of techniques then they can in fact be considered bunkai

[sridhartheguru]

Good video....

[ding171]

u forgot your yells and this is not just a karate form but it is also a tae kwon do form as well

[KingOkami]

tae kwon do come from shotokan...look it up.

[mico2020]

the movements are no where related to the bunkai! is he making stuff as he goes

[Thunderhouse2]

Study the Okinawa original forms of the katas. These are the moves.

[23rdtry]

The kata movements represent different bunkai.

In application you choose only one - it would be senseless to try to stick to the form of all while applying one.

And yes, its common bunkai. Not to deep, but better then a lot around here.

[andymars650]

I've been wondering what that shuto uke to the front-right slowly shifting into a back stance to the back left was. I really like the bunkai they showed for that and the opening move.

[DonLeone]

Wow, great kata and great bunkai! But the first movement is indeed to fast ;) Who is this sensei? Where is he from?

[puset00]

not bad mate, :)

[shadowdusklives]

they look too tense. power coming from the shoulders and not the tanden. ok now since they are young but when they get older...bad posture too. the person who talk them basics must have been poor in that too.

[sp4miz]

Been doing bassai for over 25 year and now it makes sense. Thnx!!

[shingitai03]

Good interpretations. They suit the agility of the demonstrators. Some good principles have been drawn on and I agree that there are many bunkai for a kata. I do not agree that there is one one.. If you compare the Enoeda to Abernathy to Morris to Kanazawa bunkai for Bassai.. who is right? The key is in the principles not the application.

[maoswidow]

just show it in more detail,(slo-motion) that's my only beef.

good video

[statementz]

This is the shotokan bassai dai, isn't it?

[isenath]

It is.

[puset00]

well, yeah, you're right, this is not definitely the bunkai for bassai dai,, but,, those techniques work in a real fight. right? ^_<

[KooorbanDallas]

I'm not saying these techniques are incorrect or not applied with vigor and intent, but they are definitly NOT the bunkai to Bassai-Dai...

[stormeshadow]

This is one of the issues I see in modern Karate today. I do not believe learning the right way will make you rigid, as to learn Kata, just a part of the over all knowledge, it is important to have the keys to do it correctly. Kata is meant to train us how to do a certain series of techniques, practice teaches us to be able to modify that into our needed application.

[stormeshadow]

It sounds good, but if that is the case why not perform the Kata this way? There is a set of Bunkai that go with the Kata, if we use different techniques, that is great, but we now are using Oyo, our interpretation, to the techniques of Kata.

[ahlgrasshopper]

Because to be effective a system must conform to a practictioner, not the practitioner to the system. Katas have countless interpretations. I can show you from one technique an escape, a block, a strike, and a kill. Learn to feel the kata and see what it holds for you.

[stormeshadow]

I applaude your thirst for knowledge and I think that you did a good job. However, I feel that the techniques are far to modified to be Bunkai and to work as they are performed in the Kata. I feel that the techniques should work as they are performed, not with modification. Good job, keep up the research.

[calibansfury]

I have to disagree. If we allow ourselves to think that each technique is the only way something can be done, we become excessively rigid, and we'll find ourselves sorting through a menu of techniques for them to be effective when we need them. By learning that each technique within a kata represents movement and dynamics necessary for, and which naturally occur in, a combat situation, we learn that the kata is not meant to train us to be rigid, but to train us to be free.

[wolvoboy]

you have to modify techniques to suit the attack,size weight of attacker,same as when a kata is performed no two people do it the same way but it is still the same kata,even the kata itself has been modified over the years,there are at least 10 versions that i know of and a multitude of different bunkai

[ninjastorm]

Blocks can be used as strikes so the application of this kata is a double edge sword both good and bad because of the force of the strike and how you use it. The video is excelent!

[budodave]

This is fantastic! It gives me a better appreciation for this kata, especially the nutshots. I agree though that some of it doesn't seem to make sense, but what do I know? Thanks for posting. Now film Empi and Jion for me!

[calibansfury]

As with the author of these vids, what "seems" to not make sense is your opportunity to engage, explore, experiment with the kata to unlock its secrets. Remember that Funakoshi and Nakayama modified the kata to make it more palatable and less threating looking (post WWII) to the occupying forces. The movements are still there, we have to extract them from the kata, and its this which allows us to continue to learn and grow within this beautiful art!

[nixit1]

the bunkai seems wrong to me since many defensive moves from the kata (the blocks) were used as attacks.

[calibansfury]

Virtually all blocks can be used as an attack. Read "75 Down Blocks" regarding this. Think of Heian Shodan, if you were in a street fight, would you move forward into blows with rising blocks? There's a reason for the open hand grab after the rising block--its to trap the wrist and bring a risign forearm STRIKE against the elbow, jaw, or armpit of the opponent.

[wolvoboy]

most blocks in kata are not blocks at all but strikes or lock,even throws

[isenath]

During interpretation of kata you can use block as the strikes. No problem. A block is a kind of strike.

[Roochfan20]

Well, Bassai Dai does mean "Storming the Fortress" and has applications that focuses on powerful techniques and strikes i.e. Yamazuki so there is a reason why defensive techniques like Shuto-uke are used for attacking.

[makai2006]

Great! From now on I will practise the kata everyday, not

only for basic training, but with this video in mind. :=)

[misochiru]

切れがあって良い。

[misochiru]

良い先生の下で練習しているようだね。

素晴らしいよ。

[Kiesel]

Great!