@OhioGuy19 I dont have any problem with what youre saying, but i dont see what it had to do with what i was talking about. My point is that no cartridge will do all the work for you and that the success of your shots is going to rely largely on where you put them. In a self defense scenario you need to connect with the CNS or some other serious vital and my point is you can do that just as well with a 9 or 357 if you can shoot.
people have been shot by every caliber there is and not only survived but continued to fight. But it doesnt matter how many facts you list, if people are determined to believe something. See, the 45's, and 44 mags, the .40 and 10mm's are more powerfull than the lighter calibers but they arent enough unless you connect with the vitals but if you hit the vitals it really doesnt make a difference.
@lithjimmy I believe the 9mm is an excellent caliber and with pistols available in that caliber that can carry 19-20 rounds, it is an excellent choice, but the 10mm, if it were more available, would be an excellent choice as well. Since the 10mm really flopped in terms of its attempt to become a widespread commercial success, the 40 S&W is probably the best way to go. For a semi-automatic pistol, .40 S&W, for a revolver, .357 magnum. For a SHTF sidearm a 9mm holding 20 rnds is great.
look it up on Youtube....type in Barrett m468 .....and choose the one done by FutureVideos2013 He shows you and explains the kinetic transfer of the different calibers ...Get informed>>!!!!!!
I can't help but disagree with many of the statements in this vid. Larger caliber bullets are not the same thing as more powerful bullets. The size of the wound cavity is also related to expansion of the bullet. Wight increases penetration and reduces velocity. Expansion is a product of bullet design and velocity. For example, compare a 50GI to a 44 Magnum. There are differences in the effectiveness of different loads out there. See the stopping power video on my channel for more.
one shot stopping power. i hear people say that phrase & wonder if they have ever been in a situation where they had to defend themselves or a client. who the heck is going to use 1 shot if they see someone getting lynched or if they are confronted by a home invader or etc. etc.? :/
heads up folk!-if you are attempting to protect yourself or another from being killed, kidnapped, beaten, raped etc. you'd do well to FIRE MULTIPLE TIMES :)
@ArmenOfTheNorth If somebody is armed and violent, you should shoot until they either disarm and vocalize/articulate that they are quitting the fight, or until you are certain and can verify that they are no longer a threat (as in they're no longer moving, their attack has clearly ceased, etc). Shooting somebody once is silly unless by some chance you shoot them once and they immediately drop their weapon, stop their advance, and announce they quit.
A woman was shot once in the face below the cheekbone at a distance of 10 feet with a 230 gr FMJ 45ACP. The projectile exited the head. She remained conscious and ambulatory until exsanguination by multiple stab wounds.
i get wut "stopping power is a myth" ppl r saying. However y do u use a 40 and not a 22. its cuz of stopping power. bigger and more powerfull rounds do more damage. thats all stopping power is. 44 mag will hit with more energy than a 9mm.
@tristar1000 there are a few . 45's that hit harder one of hornadys if you have there chart hits at over 900 lbs but your correct the average hits around 500 some were,,, but 10mm or .357mag have significant amout of energy
There are some excellent points here. The main point I want people to see is "Carry the largest caliber you can CONSTANTLY hit your target with". If you can't hit, it doesn't matter if your bringing a .50 BMG.
Case and point in arazona a women survived 9mm to the head, forhood last year he was shot 4 times in the torso by 9mm good luck finding a .45 acp survivor if the shot was to the torso
first important thing neccessary in stopping someone, is placement, you have to actually be aimed at a vital organ like the heart or major artery to actually stop someone, and even shooting one of these will take long enough for him to shoot you too... second most important is penetration, doesnt matter if youre aimed at an organ if you cant go deep enough to hit it, ONLY then does bullet diameter make a difference, and only a minute one, people fail to understand this simple common sense
@megadeth22885 a bigger caliber doesnt make someone magically fall down because it hurt... all bullets hurt... youre not going to make a guy bleed out unless you have hours to wait, and in that time, yeah, he will probably shoot you too so youll bleed out together. shots to the head or spinal cord are hard, as these areas are well protected, and moving.. so chances of winning any gunfight close range without being shot too is slim enough, all fact
@Robbob9933 No, hollow points are meant to cause more damage...A ball will not expand causing a smaller wound channel, a hollow point will expand causing a larger wound channel.....Ball ammo over penatrates more because the energy of the round is not transfering to the target....
@Robbob9933 umm no you retard. Hollow points are designed to expand and cause more damage. If they werent, they wouldnt have been outlawed for military use in the Hague conventions due to their excessive amounts of damage.
i am with you on your .40 than a 9mm. but i think we should stick to that literal bullet power, check out hicock45 different bullet impacts on a steel plate and see how far each bullet swings the steel plate when hit. i think the title of this vid should be, "mindset and shot placement on either which pistol you use" and not Knock Down or Stopping Power Myth.
You hit two valuable points. Shot placement and mind-set. The aggresor has made the desicion to attack causeing you to have to react. The aggresor has overcome his adrenalin giving him better control and vision while you end up with tunnel vision and the shakes. It is better to act than to react. Training is the key componant , if you can't shoot your gun and hit were you need to, than the caliber makes no difference. (I know my spelling is probably horrible but I'm in a hurry)
@strakill. I could not agree more about mindset and shot placement. I suggest people woring on CQB drills. Rapid shots at close range. Multiple shots, ensures more trauma. So long as the round connect with the target. I would also suggest people try the "mozambique drill". 2 body and 1 head shot, very quickly.
Martin Fackler was tasked by the FBI with compiling ballistics research from shootings that had taken place and gelatin simulation, his findings led him to believe that the most important factor in lethality
was PENETRATION at least 12 inches of it.
Differant body types vary in the amount of tissue around the organs so you need high K.E and low drag to reach the vitals and destroy them, a bullet with a smaller diameter and higher velocity than the 45 was named the winner- 10mm
Very good gun the .38 is great. i have a Model 19 in .357 mag that is a great gun i've always shot that well. Its what i learned on. I shoot .38 out of it more than .357.
Look, if you have to pull your gun out it's for ONE reason and ONE reason ONLY - to KILL. Otherwise run or use pepper spray or whatever. If it's to kill, then it's two to the heart and one to head. Period. Don't make it more complicated than it is. "Stopping" doesn't require much power.
Checkout this video RAW AND UNCUT... Lion Charge Attack from Dangerous Game on VERSUS, do you think a .22lr would have put a stop to that lion? Hell no a 22 does not have the stoping power for that. Myth my ass LOL!
are you talking stopping power or killing power? whats more likely to stop you, a big bullet to the chest or a small bullet to the chest? force=mass x acceleration. bigger bullet=more mass=more force= MORE STOPPING POWER. limalife talked about some guy that was shot 8 times with a .45. he didnt die, but was he stopped? YES. the bigger bullet obviously has more stopping power because it hits harder. basic physics
@sovietninja3 Were you there? No. You don't know if he was stopped. I'm not trying to ridicule you but you weren't there. I've been in many deadly force encounters while deployed in the military. Dude, I've unloaded entire mags on these fools before they FINALLY stumbled. Not dropped...stumbled. When you're in combat or a firefight, that sh!t just goes right out the window. Physics Shmysics. You fire until the dude drops. Reload as necessary.
a heavier bullet isnt going to create a larger wound channel, and no cavity is ever permanent... a 45acp, because its larger, has more resistance to expansion, it takes more for it to expand completely, a 9mm, which equals 45acp in kinetic energy has less resistance so it mushrooms easier, faster, more completely, due to this a 9mm expands up to 200% its origional size, a 45acp will only expand 160-165% its origional size, so once expanded, both are the same size, with the same kinetic energy
@megadeth22885 i would strongly suggest getting SOME of a scientific background before opening your mouth and stating something youve heard another non-intellectual say before... and lets just say in this magic fairy tale world many people believe in that the 45acp did expand to a larger diamter, its a very small fraction of an inch in difference, if you believe thats an alternative to placement, i hope you never get into a gunfight
@megadeth22885 No cavity is permanent? The why do corpses have bullet holes? Well probably because it leaves a hole(permanent cavity) in the body. Not all bullets mushroom(hollow points do though) some bullets fragment. Perhaps you should do some research before you open you mouth. Have you not watched my other videos where I talk about shot placement?
@megadeth22885 So you are saying everything carries the same kinetic energy? That's just to obviously flawed. Would you rather get hit by a car or a baseball travelling at 45mph? According to you, they would both do the same damage. Find me a link that proves they have the same ftlbs and I will concede.
@ieguitar 45acp, 40S&W, and 45acp all operate in the power band of 300-550ft/lbs of energy, so yet, kinetic energy you can throw out the window as a variable as all of the main three operate within the same band, 45acp is slow, but heavy, 9mm is light, but fast, 40S&W is a healthy mix of the two, your logic is flawed because a 9mm and a 45acp do not travel at the same speeds, 9mm is much faster
Sit down and compare a 9mm and 45 acp side by side, then ask yourself which one you would rather get hit by? If you'd rather get hit by a 9mm, then use the 45 acp, or vice versa.
@ieguitar do you know why a rocky meteor not much bigger than a car can hit with an impact equal to an atomic bomb?.... because of the speed in which its traveling, an object gains energy the faster it travels, and in doing so becomes more powerful upon impact
@megadeth22885 I definitely see your point. And yes, the rounds are each very different. I personally carry a 40. Not saying the 9 is under powered, only that I prefer the 40. The entire point of the video was to disprove stopping power. Shot placement is always #1. But, the the same meteor and cut the weight by 75%. You will see a big difference is the damage output.
I'm in a big agreement with you and your wife and im tired of seeing people try and argue against you and im a Physics major and wanted to point out that the kinetic energies are not the same at all. KE=1/2mv^2. i used Hornady's Critical Defense ammo which im a huge fan of and use in .40 myself. the Kinetic energy or the 9mm after all the conversions is 449.86 Joules or 331.80 foot pounds. The .45ACP is 556.85 Joules or 410.71 Foot pounds. Please tell me if i missed something...
@megadeth22885 A meteor is by definition falling and its speed is determined by its mass and resistance of airflow around the object. Check any physics book. As soon as a bullet leaves the barrel it is already slowing speed due to wind resistance and gravity. You are comparing two dissimilar objects.
@megadeth22885 if you fired a 9 milimeter and a 45 ACP at the same FPS. the 45 ACP would do more damage every time. And also, dont say thats not what happens, because it is. the 9 milimeter is fired at around 1400 FPS, the 45 ACP at around 1100. the 9 milimeter goes nowhere near fast enough to over take the size of a 45 ACP. and that meteor thing happens because ITS IN SPACE. there is nothing to slow it down. in atmospheric conditions the 9 mil slows down much faster than the 45 ACP.
@IKEELYOUNOW and of course the 45acp will do more damage at the same speed you dumbass, it has more mass, and do you even know the formula for kinetic energy? or are you just talking out your ass?, theres not enough space in text here for me to explain what an idiot you are, and increasing velocity increases kinetic energy at a faster rate than increasing mass, this is a scientific fact that anyone with above a gradeschool education in mathematics could understand
@IKEELYOUNOW and.. meteors dont hit space.. they hit planets, objects.. and im quite certain i stated a 45acp is bigger in FMJ... would love to know where you supposedly seen what these two individual rounds did when they hit a body, and considering i doubt your a pathologist, you probably didnt give or whitness an autopsy to know what each bullet actually hit.. so instead youre talking out your ass on the internet
@ieguitar a 230 grain Federal Hydra Shok (45 ACP) has 900 ft/s velocity and 414 ft:lb, this is a common JHP/defense load. A common 9mm JHP/defense load is the 147 grain JHP which has 1210 ft/s for velocity and 474 ft:lb of force.
Kinetic energy is 1/2 MV^2 (1/2 Mass x Velocity squared)- increases in velocity will result in a much greater gain in KE than a similar increase in mass.
If you want to rapidly increase KE, increase velocity.
@megadeth22885 umm im sorry but no. Ive seen both 45 ACP and 9 milimeter hollow point rounds after they hit someone. The 45 ACP is undeniably larger. and when they are in full metal jacketed form, it is also quite obvious which is the superior round in power. If what you just said was true than the smaller the round the more damage it would do. weve known that larger heavier rounds do more damage since the 1800s when it was proven retard.
@IKEELYOUNOW and another assinine comment.. the laws of physics are not different on one planet or another.. the laws of physics apply everywhere, in space, and on earth.. thats why these are called LAWs, and all aspects of the natural world follows these laws... for fuck sake.. read a science book someday, learn something
@megadeth22885 dude. you dont get what im saying, yes i know they are the same on every planet. what im saying is in space theres nothing to slow it down, it just keeps on accelerating, on a planet, gravity and air friction slow it down, a heavier bullet is harder to slow down. simple enough for you?
@IKEELYOUNOW you know, the first time i heard that america was behind in math and science.. i didnt want to believe it, but listening to this kid makes me believe... he is certainly some kind of stupid
@IKEELYOUNOW wow..this guy is just... wow, funny, he just doesnt seem to understand that increasing speed of the same size object increases its impact force, and energy, can someone really be THIS stupid?... uuh, our schools need an overhaul
@rschwader Here's some facts from the two rounds in question. I tooke the heaviest of each I could find. 308 Win mag 180 gain 2680fps(fast man!) And 2870 ftlbs. 50 cal. 800 grain 2895 fps and 14895ftlbs. Look at the numbers
@rschwader That is the most ludacris thing I think I have heard! Why would you compare a rifle to a pistol? Pick two rifles, or two hand guns, and then think about it. Ill be more specific with my words next video for all the politician.
@OhioGuy19 I dont have any problem with what youre saying, but i dont see what it had to do with what i was talking about. My point is that no cartridge will do all the work for you and that the success of your shots is going to rely largely on where you put them. In a self defense scenario you need to connect with the CNS or some other serious vital and my point is you can do that just as well with a 9 or 357 if you can shoot.
lithjimmy 2 months ago
people have been shot by every caliber there is and not only survived but continued to fight. But it doesnt matter how many facts you list, if people are determined to believe something. See, the 45's, and 44 mags, the .40 and 10mm's are more powerfull than the lighter calibers but they arent enough unless you connect with the vitals but if you hit the vitals it really doesnt make a difference.
lithjimmy 4 months ago
@lithjimmy I believe the 9mm is an excellent caliber and with pistols available in that caliber that can carry 19-20 rounds, it is an excellent choice, but the 10mm, if it were more available, would be an excellent choice as well. Since the 10mm really flopped in terms of its attempt to become a widespread commercial success, the 40 S&W is probably the best way to go. For a semi-automatic pistol, .40 S&W, for a revolver, .357 magnum. For a SHTF sidearm a 9mm holding 20 rnds is great.
OhioGuy19 2 months ago
type "9mm vs .45 over20pounds" find it watch it ........SUCK IT!!!
sky13x 7 months ago
look it up on Youtube....type in Barrett m468 .....and choose the one done by FutureVideos2013 He shows you and explains the kinetic transfer of the different calibers ...Get informed>>!!!!!!
sky13x 7 months ago
I can't help but disagree with many of the statements in this vid. Larger caliber bullets are not the same thing as more powerful bullets. The size of the wound cavity is also related to expansion of the bullet. Wight increases penetration and reduces velocity. Expansion is a product of bullet design and velocity. For example, compare a 50GI to a 44 Magnum. There are differences in the effectiveness of different loads out there. See the stopping power video on my channel for more.
jerkwitha3 8 months ago
one shot stopping power. i hear people say that phrase & wonder if they have ever been in a situation where they had to defend themselves or a client. who the heck is going to use 1 shot if they see someone getting lynched or if they are confronted by a home invader or etc. etc.? :/
heads up folk!-if you are attempting to protect yourself or another from being killed, kidnapped, beaten, raped etc. you'd do well to FIRE MULTIPLE TIMES :)
ArmenOfTheNorth 9 months ago
@ArmenOfTheNorth If somebody is armed and violent, you should shoot until they either disarm and vocalize/articulate that they are quitting the fight, or until you are certain and can verify that they are no longer a threat (as in they're no longer moving, their attack has clearly ceased, etc). Shooting somebody once is silly unless by some chance you shoot them once and they immediately drop their weapon, stop their advance, and announce they quit.
OhioGuy19 2 months ago
A woman was shot once in the face below the cheekbone at a distance of 10 feet with a 230 gr FMJ 45ACP. The projectile exited the head. She remained conscious and ambulatory until exsanguination by multiple stab wounds.
hwy163 10 months ago
i get wut "stopping power is a myth" ppl r saying. However y do u use a 40 and not a 22. its cuz of stopping power. bigger and more powerfull rounds do more damage. thats all stopping power is. 44 mag will hit with more energy than a 9mm.
LateKnight347 10 months ago
@tristar1000 there are a few . 45's that hit harder one of hornadys if you have there chart hits at over 900 lbs but your correct the average hits around 500 some were,,, but 10mm or .357mag have significant amout of energy
jasapp465 1 year ago
There are some excellent points here. The main point I want people to see is "Carry the largest caliber you can CONSTANTLY hit your target with". If you can't hit, it doesn't matter if your bringing a .50 BMG.
ieguitar 1 year ago
Case and point in arazona a women survived 9mm to the head, forhood last year he was shot 4 times in the torso by 9mm good luck finding a .45 acp survivor if the shot was to the torso
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WhiteDavey 1 year ago
first important thing neccessary in stopping someone, is placement, you have to actually be aimed at a vital organ like the heart or major artery to actually stop someone, and even shooting one of these will take long enough for him to shoot you too... second most important is penetration, doesnt matter if youre aimed at an organ if you cant go deep enough to hit it, ONLY then does bullet diameter make a difference, and only a minute one, people fail to understand this simple common sense
megadeth22885 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 a bigger caliber doesnt make someone magically fall down because it hurt... all bullets hurt... youre not going to make a guy bleed out unless you have hours to wait, and in that time, yeah, he will probably shoot you too so youll bleed out together. shots to the head or spinal cord are hard, as these areas are well protected, and moving.. so chances of winning any gunfight close range without being shot too is slim enough, all fact
megadeth22885 1 year ago
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Robbob9933 1 year ago
@Robbob9933 No, hollow points are meant to cause more damage...A ball will not expand causing a smaller wound channel, a hollow point will expand causing a larger wound channel.....Ball ammo over penatrates more because the energy of the round is not transfering to the target....
Dmac11a666 1 year ago
@Robbob9933 umm no you retard. Hollow points are designed to expand and cause more damage. If they werent, they wouldnt have been outlawed for military use in the Hague conventions due to their excessive amounts of damage.
IKEELYOUNOW 1 year ago
i am with you on your .40 than a 9mm. but i think we should stick to that literal bullet power, check out hicock45 different bullet impacts on a steel plate and see how far each bullet swings the steel plate when hit. i think the title of this vid should be, "mindset and shot placement on either which pistol you use" and not Knock Down or Stopping Power Myth.
lisolangka 1 year ago
yeah explain this to call of duty
hiimstevie15 1 year ago
You hit two valuable points. Shot placement and mind-set. The aggresor has made the desicion to attack causeing you to have to react. The aggresor has overcome his adrenalin giving him better control and vision while you end up with tunnel vision and the shakes. It is better to act than to react. Training is the key componant , if you can't shoot your gun and hit were you need to, than the caliber makes no difference. (I know my spelling is probably horrible but I'm in a hurry)
strakill 1 year ago
@strakill. I could not agree more about mindset and shot placement. I suggest people woring on CQB drills. Rapid shots at close range. Multiple shots, ensures more trauma. So long as the round connect with the target. I would also suggest people try the "mozambique drill". 2 body and 1 head shot, very quickly.
ieguitar 1 year ago
@strakill
Martin Fackler was tasked by the FBI with compiling ballistics research from shootings that had taken place and gelatin simulation, his findings led him to believe that the most important factor in lethality
was PENETRATION at least 12 inches of it.
Differant body types vary in the amount of tissue around the organs so you need high K.E and low drag to reach the vitals and destroy them, a bullet with a smaller diameter and higher velocity than the 45 was named the winner- 10mm
dukenukemthreed 1 year ago
@dukenukemthreed
Case closed.
dukenukemthreed 1 year ago
@dukenukemthreed
Well stated
tristar1000 1 year ago
@tristar1000
Thank you, just curious whats your preferred caliber/calibers?
dukenukemthreed 1 year ago
@dukenukemthreed
I have a Springfield XD in .40 i carry most of the time because i shoot it really well.
I also have a Colt 1911A1 in .45 that i love
tristar1000 1 year ago
@tristar1000
I love the smith& Wesson model 10 in 38 special, also one of the first guns I shot was a model 29 44 magnum.
I was able to shoot both smiths better than the damn Beretta 92 because of their better trigger.
dukenukemthreed 1 year ago
@dukenukemthreed
Very good gun the .38 is great. i have a Model 19 in .357 mag that is a great gun i've always shot that well. Its what i learned on. I shoot .38 out of it more than .357.
tristar1000 1 year ago
@tristar1000
I'm looking at a s&w highway patrolman in 357 magnum with drool coming out of my mouth, I have an addiction too.
Best of luck!
dukenukemthreed 1 year ago
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Look, if you have to pull your gun out it's for ONE reason and ONE reason ONLY - to KILL. Otherwise run or use pepper spray or whatever. If it's to kill, then it's two to the heart and one to head. Period. Don't make it more complicated than it is. "Stopping" doesn't require much power.
tecnolover2642 1 year ago
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Checkout this video RAW AND UNCUT... Lion Charge Attack from Dangerous Game on VERSUS, do you think a .22lr would have put a stop to that lion? Hell no a 22 does not have the stoping power for that. Myth my ass LOL!
KUSTOMBLACK1 1 year ago
are you talking stopping power or killing power? whats more likely to stop you, a big bullet to the chest or a small bullet to the chest? force=mass x acceleration. bigger bullet=more mass=more force= MORE STOPPING POWER. limalife talked about some guy that was shot 8 times with a .45. he didnt die, but was he stopped? YES. the bigger bullet obviously has more stopping power because it hits harder. basic physics
sovietninja3 1 year ago
@sovietninja3 Were you there? No. You don't know if he was stopped. I'm not trying to ridicule you but you weren't there. I've been in many deadly force encounters while deployed in the military. Dude, I've unloaded entire mags on these fools before they FINALLY stumbled. Not dropped...stumbled. When you're in combat or a firefight, that sh!t just goes right out the window. Physics Shmysics. You fire until the dude drops. Reload as necessary.
bgroberts27 1 year ago
a heavier bullet isnt going to create a larger wound channel, and no cavity is ever permanent... a 45acp, because its larger, has more resistance to expansion, it takes more for it to expand completely, a 9mm, which equals 45acp in kinetic energy has less resistance so it mushrooms easier, faster, more completely, due to this a 9mm expands up to 200% its origional size, a 45acp will only expand 160-165% its origional size, so once expanded, both are the same size, with the same kinetic energy
megadeth22885 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 i would strongly suggest getting SOME of a scientific background before opening your mouth and stating something youve heard another non-intellectual say before... and lets just say in this magic fairy tale world many people believe in that the 45acp did expand to a larger diamter, its a very small fraction of an inch in difference, if you believe thats an alternative to placement, i hope you never get into a gunfight
megadeth22885 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 No cavity is permanent? The why do corpses have bullet holes? Well probably because it leaves a hole(permanent cavity) in the body. Not all bullets mushroom(hollow points do though) some bullets fragment. Perhaps you should do some research before you open you mouth. Have you not watched my other videos where I talk about shot placement?
ieguitar 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 So you are saying everything carries the same kinetic energy? That's just to obviously flawed. Would you rather get hit by a car or a baseball travelling at 45mph? According to you, they would both do the same damage. Find me a link that proves they have the same ftlbs and I will concede.
ieguitar 1 year ago
@ieguitar 45acp, 40S&W, and 45acp all operate in the power band of 300-550ft/lbs of energy, so yet, kinetic energy you can throw out the window as a variable as all of the main three operate within the same band, 45acp is slow, but heavy, 9mm is light, but fast, 40S&W is a healthy mix of the two, your logic is flawed because a 9mm and a 45acp do not travel at the same speeds, 9mm is much faster
megadeth22885 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 You could look at it this way:
Sit down and compare a 9mm and 45 acp side by side, then ask yourself which one you would rather get hit by? If you'd rather get hit by a 9mm, then use the 45 acp, or vice versa.
chex22 1 year ago
@chex22 both are rather equal in their ability to kill, so i wouldnt want to get hit by either
megadeth22885 1 year ago
@ieguitar do you know why a rocky meteor not much bigger than a car can hit with an impact equal to an atomic bomb?.... because of the speed in which its traveling, an object gains energy the faster it travels, and in doing so becomes more powerful upon impact
megadeth22885 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 I definitely see your point. And yes, the rounds are each very different. I personally carry a 40. Not saying the 9 is under powered, only that I prefer the 40. The entire point of the video was to disprove stopping power. Shot placement is always #1. But, the the same meteor and cut the weight by 75%. You will see a big difference is the damage output.
ieguitar 1 year ago
@ieguitar
I'm in a big agreement with you and your wife and im tired of seeing people try and argue against you and im a Physics major and wanted to point out that the kinetic energies are not the same at all. KE=1/2mv^2. i used Hornady's Critical Defense ammo which im a huge fan of and use in .40 myself. the Kinetic energy or the 9mm after all the conversions is 449.86 Joules or 331.80 foot pounds. The .45ACP is 556.85 Joules or 410.71 Foot pounds. Please tell me if i missed something...
tristar1000 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 A meteor is by definition falling and its speed is determined by its mass and resistance of airflow around the object. Check any physics book. As soon as a bullet leaves the barrel it is already slowing speed due to wind resistance and gravity. You are comparing two dissimilar objects.
NerdHerderer 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 if you fired a 9 milimeter and a 45 ACP at the same FPS. the 45 ACP would do more damage every time. And also, dont say thats not what happens, because it is. the 9 milimeter is fired at around 1400 FPS, the 45 ACP at around 1100. the 9 milimeter goes nowhere near fast enough to over take the size of a 45 ACP. and that meteor thing happens because ITS IN SPACE. there is nothing to slow it down. in atmospheric conditions the 9 mil slows down much faster than the 45 ACP.
IKEELYOUNOW 1 year ago
@IKEELYOUNOW and of course the 45acp will do more damage at the same speed you dumbass, it has more mass, and do you even know the formula for kinetic energy? or are you just talking out your ass?, theres not enough space in text here for me to explain what an idiot you are, and increasing velocity increases kinetic energy at a faster rate than increasing mass, this is a scientific fact that anyone with above a gradeschool education in mathematics could understand
megadeth22885 1 year ago
@IKEELYOUNOW and.. meteors dont hit space.. they hit planets, objects.. and im quite certain i stated a 45acp is bigger in FMJ... would love to know where you supposedly seen what these two individual rounds did when they hit a body, and considering i doubt your a pathologist, you probably didnt give or whitness an autopsy to know what each bullet actually hit.. so instead youre talking out your ass on the internet
megadeth22885 1 year ago
@ieguitar a 230 grain Federal Hydra Shok (45 ACP) has 900 ft/s velocity and 414 ft:lb, this is a common JHP/defense load. A common 9mm JHP/defense load is the 147 grain JHP which has 1210 ft/s for velocity and 474 ft:lb of force.
Kinetic energy is 1/2 MV^2 (1/2 Mass x Velocity squared)- increases in velocity will result in a much greater gain in KE than a similar increase in mass.
If you want to rapidly increase KE, increase velocity.
OhioGuy19 2 months ago
@ieguitar That's not the question, a car vs a baseball at 45 mph. That's a red herring, a straw man... A false argument...
The real question, would you rather get hit by a truck at 10 miles per hour or a baseball at 95 miles per hour, that's a more appropriate analogy.
OhioGuy19 2 months ago
@megadeth22885
Google "terminal ballistics as viewed in a morgue"
it's a great article...everyone should read it
chex22 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 umm im sorry but no. Ive seen both 45 ACP and 9 milimeter hollow point rounds after they hit someone. The 45 ACP is undeniably larger. and when they are in full metal jacketed form, it is also quite obvious which is the superior round in power. If what you just said was true than the smaller the round the more damage it would do. weve known that larger heavier rounds do more damage since the 1800s when it was proven retard.
IKEELYOUNOW 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 physics in space are totally different from those in atmospheric conditions idiot. you have no idea what your talking about.
IKEELYOUNOW 1 year ago
@IKEELYOUNOW and another assinine comment.. the laws of physics are not different on one planet or another.. the laws of physics apply everywhere, in space, and on earth.. thats why these are called LAWs, and all aspects of the natural world follows these laws... for fuck sake.. read a science book someday, learn something
megadeth22885 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 dude. you dont get what im saying, yes i know they are the same on every planet. what im saying is in space theres nothing to slow it down, it just keeps on accelerating, on a planet, gravity and air friction slow it down, a heavier bullet is harder to slow down. simple enough for you?
IKEELYOUNOW 1 year ago
@IKEELYOUNOW you know, the first time i heard that america was behind in math and science.. i didnt want to believe it, but listening to this kid makes me believe... he is certainly some kind of stupid
megadeth22885 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 im not even gonna argue with you if you to idiotic to listen or apparently understand, and by the way, my IQ is 139. Im no retard.
IKEELYOUNOW 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 if you dont know the basic properties of inertia, you should just get of this page.
IKEELYOUNOW 1 year ago
@IKEELYOUNOW this is just too fuckin funny
megadeth22885 1 year ago
@megadeth22885 dude, you dont know what your talking about, youve misunderstood the information.
IKEELYOUNOW 1 year ago
@IKEELYOUNOW wow..this guy is just... wow, funny, he just doesnt seem to understand that increasing speed of the same size object increases its impact force, and energy, can someone really be THIS stupid?... uuh, our schools need an overhaul
megadeth22885 1 year ago
Which is goin to hurt more, gettin hit by a 275lbs wrestler or a 1000lbs one?
ieguitar 1 year ago
weight has little to do with the size of the wound channel. a 30 caliber at 2800 fps will leave a larger cavity then a 50 cal at 1000.
rschwader 1 year ago
@rschwader Here's some facts from the two rounds in question. I tooke the heaviest of each I could find. 308 Win mag 180 gain 2680fps(fast man!) And 2870 ftlbs. 50 cal. 800 grain 2895 fps and 14895ftlbs. Look at the numbers
ieguitar 1 year ago
@ieguitar you missed the point. read what I said. by your thinking a 45acp would be more effective than a 30-06.
rschwader 1 year ago
@rschwader That is the most ludacris thing I think I have heard! Why would you compare a rifle to a pistol? Pick two rifles, or two hand guns, and then think about it. Ill be more specific with my words next video for all the politician.
ieguitar 1 year ago