obama has hired many lawyers to keep his birth certificate and other information such as his school records from k-12, medical records, his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis, and Im sure there ismuch more someone is paying big money to keep secret... why ????? we all know this,,you dont go to all that trouble to hide things, unless u have something to hide
@cherokeedoll1 Or--if by hiding them you accomplish something else, like giving right wing nutjobs nothing more to talk about but the same ridiculous theories, accusations, name-calling and leaps of non-logic with which they started (even to the point of forging Kenyan birth certificates--badly). He's done the smart thing, and continues to come across as sane (as opposed to many of his opponents--case in point).
@zahir13 you need to read the constitution,being that you are calling me ignorant of it. Because if you had ever actually read or learned the constitution at all,,you could easily see that every step hussain obama has taken since hes became president has gone against that constitution. However, people who voted for him simply because he was black does not care about the constitution..all they care about is his skin color,,they dont care about anything else.
@cherokeedoll1 He was elected legally to an office he is legally qualified (by ALL evidence) to hold. I don't agree with all of his (or anyone's) policies, but he has acted in accordance to the law. Given that you believe YOU have some legal right to see a public figure's birth records, methinks I'll continue to view your knowledge of the law & the constitution as meager as what you've demonstrated so far.
@zahir13 there are many who know much now that perhaps wasnt understood before. I would venture to bet that the majority agree with me and not you. However that doesnt really matter..what matters is FACTS..in whish you have none. On the other hand the thngs Ive said have been investigated and evidence shown it to be true, and when you look back in history in hinesight..alot makes more since now than ever did before. Again,, some just chose to ignore facts.
@cherokeedoll1 Facts? Like what? All you're offering are vague remarks about "they" & their "obvious" plans & how all everyone else cares about is Obama's race (but not you, right?) while making bizarre, inaccurate statements about the law, about history, etc. Offer some facts, like I have. My guess? You won't--or you'll offer something demonstrably untrue. Been through this before with folks just like you. Self-righteous paranoids who know next-to-nothing & think they're all-knowing.
@zahir13 Obama refused to show his birth certificate,,hes not proven that he was born in the US., so therefore he is not legal. Hes not really our president..hes just an imposter acting as president. He should be in prison for treason,,because hes commited it on many levels. I do have the right to know the truth about the man that is in "OUR " whitehouse..because it is the american people who have paid for it. I am a american citizen and I pay taxes..I have a right just as any other citizen does
@cherokeedoll1 According to the law (and sanity) he HAS. You clearly don't know the legal definition of "treason" any more than you realize the Constitution MANDATES accepting a state's legal records. You have NO RIGHTS AT ALL to someone else's birth records. Period. Neither do I. Obama is a citizen, too, and he also has rights (no matter where he was born because his mother is a citizen beyond doubt).
@zahir13 You dont seem to understand that "we the people" even have the right to alter or abolish a government who has become destructive with overreaching there boundary..You know our founding fathers did make it clear that the government had boundaries? And this government has well passed it by now..You dont seem to understand that the government works for we the people..We dont work for them..at least thats not how it supposed to be. But I admit its gotten turned around over the years
@cherokeedoll1 There is it--your REAL agenda. Violence. You don't want law or truth or to learn anything. What you want is to vent your RAGE against a country that has gone in a direction that makes you angry.
So you want to kill people. The mask finally slips. What you really want--BLOOD. American blood. On your hands.
@zahir13 Its amazing to me how some close there eyes and refuse to see facts even when they are so obvious to see. There is no conspiracy,,it is all well proven facts about the global elites..perhaps if you will trun off american idol and instead take a good look around you at whats taking place in the real world,,then maybe you would learn that the things you call ridiculous theories are actually real life. But I dont blame it completely on obama..Bush played his role in all this as well
@cherokeedoll1 Oh puh-leeze. The world is complex enough, filled with enough mysteries and problems and genuinely byzantine situations you don't need to add to it. Of course, you're not. You're SIMPLIFYING it all with sweeping claims that are ever so comforting--especially since you can now claim to know exactly how the world works and who's to blame for...well, everything.
@zahir13 yes the world is complex, even though it doesnt have to be, but there are some who do make it that way. Im not simplifying anything, I myself dont have the pwer to do that,,in fact its not simple at all,, evil is the word I would use for the sitution. What Ive said is alot more than just claims,, what Ive said is known facts. you on the other hand keep rambling off alot of nothing. Im not the only one who can see the obivous of how the world works and where the evil is coming from
@zahir13 The fact still remains that if obama didnt have something to hide..then he wouldnt be hiding it.. Im sure if Bush were ask for his birth certificate he would have no problem presenting it. Obama has used the ss number of a dead man..and hes getting away with these things because of the money and power that isbacking him..which is the same that backed Bush before him and clinton before him. The only thing different with obama,,is his hate for america so much is so obvious that he has
@cherokeedoll1 More wild, unfounded accusations. What a surprise. Mind you, this "hate" you're talking about is simply a different vision of the USA than your own--one evidently way closer to the political center than yours. A vision where government does things for the people, there's equal rights for all, no one is left to just get sick, & the USA is not hated as an arrogant bully.
@zahir13 my facts are not unfounded. As I said..everything im saying is obvious lol..The "different vision" of the USA as you call it,, once again,,your showing your ignorance of what the constitution actually is. There is but one vision for the usa..and that was set long ago by the ones who founded this country,,they worked it all out for us because they knew to well the tyrantsin which they escaped would never stop the attempt to tear down what they founded. and they were right!!
@cherokeedoll1 Still more vague claims about what is "obvious" even though you haven't offered one verifiable fact. Not even one. Just an argument from authority. BTW, did you know many of the Founding Fathers owned slaves & none of them even considered votes for women? Is THAT your ideal? Methinks we can all figure out the answer...
@zahir13 The founding fathers set the vision..and nobody has a right to change that. Im not sure where you get your commin sense from..but you dont seem to understand..The government doesnt have the money to do things for people,,the only money the government has is the money they TAKE from the ones who work hard to earn it..and they have NO RIGHT to FORCE hard working americans to pay for someone else health insurance..or anything else for that matter..What should have been done instead
@cherokeedoll1 Actually, they set it up from the start that the Constitution COULD be changed. Health insurance is not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, nor are automobiles nor computers. So frelling what? In fact Americans VOTED in favor of the welfare state, over and over and over again. You're just whining like a child because you lost the debate. Typical.
@zahir13 the constitution can be amended for the better...but never to take freedoms away..your not very bight are you ?? or either you think Im stupid lol.....
@zahir13 one last bit for you..If you like socialist and communism so well.. why dont you just simply move to a country that alredy has that LOL... Im sure they will be gald to have you...but leave us crazy folks who love freedom alone ok.... peace out
@cherokeedoll1 Ironic that after openly calling for bloodshed, you say "Peace." Meanwhile, this country has been a kind of Socialist since the 1930s (i.e. the New Deal). Most of us like it that way. Why don't YOU go to some country more in tune with YOUR beliefs? Oh, right--the CSA, Third Reich and Apartheid South Africa don't exist any more.
@zahir13 I have not said one word about bloodshed..and u know it!!! yes we have allowed the evil into the system from the 1930s,,you are right..thats what I said..they did it to us slowly over the years and wihout most realizing exactly what was going on.. but you see..it was wrong from the start... american was made to be a free country not to be ruled by government...and we have to get it back to how it should have always been. Ive not called for bloodshead lol..
@zahir13 Im not the only one who sees the evil that the government as allowed to currupt them, The Majority see the same thing. Just as you said about obamas birth certificate, even if he had one and even if he showed it,,people would still not believe him you said. It goes the same for you,,even if proof was shown to you of the agenda the globalist are reaching toward,, it still wouldnt matter because you would still say it was a lie. you have offered no proof of anythng,,only your opinion
@cherokeedoll1 LOL! Knew you'd be back! MOST folks believe the truth--Obama was born in Hawaii, just like every scrap of evidence indicates. His BC, Hawaii's confirmations of same, birth announcements at the time, etc. versus absurd stuff from Orly Taitz & her ilk--forged documents, bizarre theories, wild claims that make no sense & have no evidence.
@zahir13 Your wrong again, there is NO evidence to show Obama was born in Hawaii. No hospital in Hawaii will confirm his birth there,,they wont confirm it, because they know it is a lie. This was investigate before Teri Lakin invited his own court martail and refused to deploy to Iraq. Nobody in Hawaii will confirm Obamas birth. If Obama was born in Hawwaii, it would be so easy to prove, but he refuses. You cannot believe the main stream media, they onl report what they are told to report.
@cherokeedoll1 He showed his short form BC to the entire world, & it was confirmed by FactCheck & by Hawaii (despite your claims to contrary). There were birth announcements at the time. Now--why would anyone lie back in 1962 about any of this? He was a citizen b/c of his mother. What reason had she to go to Kenya & why is there no evidence she went there? You've answered none of this, nor has any birther.
@zahir13 I will look at the web stie later when I have time and I will get back with you. You keep saying Ive proven nothing, but everything I have said is known facts. Obama wont show his brth certificate. Its no need to prove what is a well known fact. So then if he will not show it,,there is only one reason that could be. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out
@cherokeedoll1 He showed his short form on line & to folks from FactCheck. No one who's SEEN it has ever had any doubts. The State of Hawaii CONFIRMED its authenticity AND its contents. THERE WERE BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS AT THE TIME IN TWO DIFFERENT HONOLULU NEWSPAPERS! Plus of course his mother going to Kenya to have her first child makes no sense, plus there's zero evidence she ever went there. Not that it matters--HE'S A CITIZEN EITHER WAY BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WAS.
@zahir13 It does not matter where his mother was a citizen..what matters is were he was born. And now Hawaii never confirmed he was born there,,and the online short form he showed on line was proven to be fake. Yes it was!!
@cherokeedoll1 I even sent you a link showing Hawaii's explicit confirmation that he was born in Honolulu! Just as I sent you a link to FactCheckdotOrg where they examined all the supposed "fake" details of the BC and found every single one to be invalid. I SENT THE EVIDENCE DIRECTLY TO YOU. And it didn't matter. I rest my case. Facts and evidence are not something you really like.
@zahir13 you are a nut case....one of those who you could show facts to all day long and still you would agure LOL>>> you dont even understand what you talking about yourself lol..or perhaps your just another commumist pig LOL...either way...Im done with you..I will leave you to your pittiyfull self
@cherokeedoll1 Not a single fact offered, just name-calling. What a surprise. Coupled with an open lust for violence. Methinks we can all see what you're really like.
@zahir13 and me thinks there is evidence all over the internet if ou want it Im sure you can find it without me showing you cant you ??? LOL... but methinks you dont want see.. and u called me names first LOL.... just look back at our comments LOL... me thinks you silly because the guilty always accuse LOL haha
@zahir13 your right. I did say I was done with you and i really am this time..because it does not good to waste my time with someone like you anyway.. you dont know what your talking about for one thing..and plus you seem kind of childish.. but anyway.. I dont have time for your non sense
@cherokeedoll1 I'm the one offering specific facts, like Chester Arthur's father, the actual law involving citizenship, etc. You're the one insisting on wild theories, getting your facts wrong--and acting as if THAT makes you superior.
And my guess is you've lied again, will respond to this. Hey, prove me wrong. For once.
@zahir13 If you want proof..its been investigated and evidence shown,,its easy to find on the internet,,it just takes wanting to open your eyes to see it. Ive not been hostile anymore than you have. I have proven you wrong,,as ive said there is proof all oever the internet. But there is none of your claim of "conspiracy theories" I dont reply to you simply because if someone refuses to see the truth..then theres not point in arguing.
@cherokeedoll1 You've offered NOT ONE SCRAP OF EVIDENCE. You have said demonstrably false things--like no president had a foreign born father, that Obama's approval ratings are the lowest ever, etc. Wrong. Every time. Check out "Constitutional Or Hogwash" series here on YouTube to review the actual law. In other words, look somewhere other than Right Wing Blogs for "facts."
@zahir13 you have offered not one shread of evidence either, plus you said that no other candidate had ever shown their birth certificate, but that wasnt true,,because John McCain showed his orginial birth certificate, signed by the doctor,with the seal and all. He had no problem with showing his. But Nobama refused. I will look at the site when I have more time. I hope it offers evidence, and not just another warpped opinion. I look at right wing facts, because it is the only that reports truth
@cherokeedoll1 I said no other President ever HAD to show their BC to the public record--which is true. Legally, they (like the rest of us) have had to prove their citizenship to get a SS#, a passport, to register to vote, etc. Obama did all of this. What he did NOT do was show his long form to a bunch of fringe conspiracy theorists who have no right to see it anyway & dismiss all evidence they don't like out of hand.
@zahir13 if he did show it,,then Teri Lakin would not have invited his own court martail. Obumble never showed his orginial birth certificate. If he is presidnet,,then he works for the people..and yes,,the people have a right to know the truth,,and you are wrong to say that they dont. Im about to check out the web site you mentioned.I ll get back with you
@cherokeedoll1 Just because he's president does NOT mean you have a right to see his birth records. Just because some conservative members of the military do something stupid for the sake of their ideology does NOT make them right. You've consistently assumed there is only ONE possible reason for anyone to do all sorts of things--but reality just isn't like that.
@zahir13 according to you, our constitution means nothing, because according to you we can change that constitution in any way, shape ,or form. If that were the case,,then what would be the point in having a constitution? So therefore, you telling me that the american citizens have no right to see the presidents birth certificate is simply your opiinion.. It is clear that in the constitution..that the government works for the people,,,the people are not to be ruled by the government.
@cherokeedoll1 As a matter of Hawaii State law, a person's birth records are private. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that an elected official loses his legal rights. The Constitution CAN be changed any way we like--IF enough people agree. Whether a given change is a good idea is a different question. Stop changing the subject.
@zahir13 Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:
“ No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the US
@cherokeedoll1 Now--find the passage in US law that defines "Natural born citizen." Next provide the tiniest iota of evidence that Barack Obama was not born in Honolulu where his BC, the state of Hawaii, his family and contemporary birth announcements AT THE TIME all say he was. One bit of evidence. Not absence of evidence. Not your opinion. Actual real facts, genuine evidence.
@zahir13 Im not changing the subject, I was just showing that just because you say something,,doesnt make it ture. And No,,it doesnt matter how many people agree,,there are certain things stated in the constitution that is made clear cannot be changed and no laws can be made to change them
@cherokeedoll1 Actually the Constitution EXPLICITLY spells out PRECISELY how it can be amended and changed. This is a perfect example of the "knowlege" you and Birthers (and others) routinely demonstrate. You get your facts wrong over and over and over again...
@zahir13 In the constitution there are clearly written rules that clearly says..NO laws shall be made to go against what that is written...changes to take away freedoms is never allowed in the constitution..no matter how badly you wish it was
@cherokeedoll1 Well, you're misquoting the Constitution. In fact, the Bill of Rights is ITSELF a set of amendments (i.e. changes) to the Constitution. They can be repealed tomorrow if we so want. Mind you, I think that would be a terrible idea. But nowhere does it say "This part of the Constitution is un-amendable" nor is there the slightest hint of anything there. More vague nonsense (as I expected).
@zahir13 Ive not misquoted the constitution..you have!! I know there have been changes or amendments,,but all amendments to founding fathers have done have been for the better. That is why there are certain clauses in the constitution that it clearly states NO LAW SHALL ME MADE AGAISNT. There are many writtings even outside our constitution which the founding fathers left behind for hour benifit. Warnnings of tyrants..such as what we are dealing with now.
@zahir13 yes ther are many scholars who try to chane the constitution..they have an agenda to do so..but the constitution is clear.. I can gladly post a copy of the constitution to you being that you dont know it.. I may have to post it in your inbox,,if there isnt enough room here
@zahir13 I did post it to your inbox.. but its still to long to post here. I give you exact information..but Im sure you will still twist and turn it all around so as life liberty and happiness can never be found LOL>>>>
@cherokeedoll1 You did nothing of the kind. You cut & pasted some Constitutional Fundamentalist's blog. Here and in public, cite the EXACT ARTICLE being violated.
I don't believe you can. Prove me wrong. Cite the exact article. Nothing else. Just that article.
@zahir13 I could copy and paste the entire constitution and you would say it was just something I coppied and pasted. The point is the article gave you the exact section of the constitution and also give you qotes from the founding fathers. There is a whole library of books and qoties from our founding fathers and there intentions..I just cited you the exact artice that tells the very limited things that the government is allowed to do within the constitution..I already gave you what you ask
@cherokeedoll1 The government is to have limited control over the people, it is clear in the constitution. I can also copy and paste other arcicles of the constitution to show how obama is overreaching his boundies as president. But the fact is its obvious you are a radical leftwinger and you will twist and deny what the founding fathers intentions are..even though there is a while library full of there writings. I gave you proof. of whats allowed,but u just refuse your own rights
@zahir13 I did anwer the question..but you refuse the obvious..just like the article said the left do..I gave you the exact article in the constitution that states LIMITS the government is allowed to have in the peoples lives. I gave you the very article which tells one by one what the government IS ALLOWED TO DO. The founders were very clear on the subject of the LIMTS of the government over the people. What part of the article didnt you understand????
@zahir13 It is easy and I already did, Im not going to keep arguing with you simply because you dont want to admit that the the constitution allowed for limited government. Yet Obama is taking over everything with what ?? government. I showed you the article and you are wrong but yet you refuse to amit it.. I have a life outside of youtube and I dont have time to keep repeating myself to someone who seems not understand. But I tell u what,,when you lose your constitution,you will understand then
@zahir13 actually that is a short list of things congress is allowed to do. You are really slow if you cant see that if congress overreaches those few things they are limited to..then they are doing what is forbidden in that article. You are not that slow are you ?? I will try to break it down more clearly for you then. That very article,written by our founders in the constitution is proof that the government has limits as to what they can do.
@zahir13 No the bill of rights not pointless..nor is the constitution. But according to you...they are pointless,,because according to u,,,any government can change anything they want in the constitution,,and according to you,,what is not listed that cannot be done..then it can be done by the government..according to you that is lol... with your point of viiew..we might as well put the constitution and the bill of rights in the shreader..which is basicly what obama is doing
@zahir13 Obama is taking over everything with tax payer money. Government take over such as what obama is doing is most clearly forbiden in the constitution. That is why they list is so short as to what government CAN DO.. They can do very little,,but what is obame doing...EVERYTHING, BAIL OUTS FOR BANKERS, BIG CORPORATIONS, BIG TIME CREDID CARD COMPANYS,,TAKE OEVER OF AUTO MAKERS,,ENTIRE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM,,FORCE HEALTHCARE OR GO TO JAIL AND PAY FINES..WHAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE LIMITS>
@cherokeedoll1 Where is that forbidden, please? In what article does it preclude any such thing? Whether that is a GOOD IDEA or not is a valid question, but where is Congress forbidden from it?
@zahir13 If obama keeps going as he has been and it keeps being allowed,,we will have no constitution anyway. and we will have no freedom of speach. Obama is working on more bills to take more of are rights way..We will see what happens in the future..We do have a declaration of independence also..and it cleary states thta when a government becomes destructive,,it is the right of the people to alter or abolish them..The government is not ment to be our boss..we are menant to be theirs.
@zahir13 Ive shown you the article which states what the government is allowed to do. Its your choice not to respect or even care what the founding fathers wrote. Anyone who reads these post can see you are a liar by saying that Ive made any comment that called for violence. In fact..you are the only one whoes mentioned that. Ive presented more facts than you have. All you have done is pointed out a video that had no proof of anything within it.
@zahir13 you keep saying Ive not shown you and that is a lie. If you keep lying..then what good is our conversation. I did show you. but deny facts. Its that simple. If you deny facts then there nothing more I can do tohelp you. You lie again when you said that I said the government must be abloshed..What I said was our delaration of independance states that if the government becomes destructive and overeaching..it is the right of the people to alter or abolish them.
@zahir13 Your links have prven nothing. I have shown you the few things that is allowed by our founders within our governent. Ive not dropped the subject..I simply cannot keep saying the same things over and over again when you deny facts. It is pointless to carry a conversation with someone who ignores facts. My facts came from the constitution. yours didnt. You show me then..where it states that the goverment can controll everything and where does it read that our gov can control everything ??
@cherokeedoll1 I have asked you again and again to show any part of the Constitution that specifically forbids anything Congress has done since Obama took office. You have declined to do so. Methinks the reason is obvious. You cannot. Instead you insist Congress can only do what is is specifically authorized to do. But you haven't explained then WHY the Bill of Rights is needed, since it forbids things YOU say Congress cannot do anyway. And you didn't comprehend any of t hat, did you?
@zahir13 you show me where our constitution says that our gov can do what ever whenever they like?? and that they have no limits?? where does it state that our constitution can be changed to suit whatever president is in power at the time wants??where does it say that ?? It doesnt.. what it states is exactly what Ive said..the gov has limits and it has less than what it is allowed to do.If you chose to ignore facts.then we might as well drop it because fact is all that matter, lies do not
@cherokeedoll1 Well, good--you've at last mentioned something specific, the requirement that Americans purchase health care insurance (although by no sane argument is that "taking over health care"). This is at least a legitimate issue. No one btw is claiming the government "has no limits". That is a bizarre fantasy akin to "death panels" and "FEMA camps" for dissidents. However, again, there is nothing in the Constitution FORBIDDING this requirement. It is however a question rather (cont'd)
@zahir13 your missing the point. Congress MUST be able to point to one of its powers allowed in the constitution to pass legislation. The government can’t draft an unwilling citizen into commerce just so it can regulate him under the Commerce Clause. That goes agaisnt the whole meaning of the constitution
@cherokeedoll1 (cont'd) than an absolutely clear-cut answer--simply because the Constitution doesn't explicitly forbid any such thing. Look in vain for any article that says Congress cannot require all citizens do something. It doesn't give specific permission either--but then, it never says Congress may limit any weapon (not even H-bombs). This is a matter for the system created by the Constitution to decide--the Federal Court System. (cont'd)
@zahir13 with this logic then, any president could change anything he wanted in the constitution..what would be the point in having a constitution ?? your arugment makes no sense whatsoever. I suppose this is what our founders meant when they tell the citizens they have the right to alter and abolish any government that overreaches and mis quotes the constitution
3 days ago @cherokeedoll1 (cont'd) than an absolutely clear-cut answer--simply because the Constitution doesn't explicitly forbid any such thing. Look in vain for any article that says Congress cannot require all citizens do something. It doesn't give specific permission either--but then, it never says Congress may limit any weapon (not even H-bombs). This is a matter for the system created by the Constitution to decide--the
@cherokeedoll1 (cont'd) Ridiculous hyperbole aside, the Congress can and has enacted policies that are WRONG without violating the Constitution. More, reasonable people disagree about what does violate it. Hence a process exists to decide precisely that. It exists, it works--and nobody agrees 100% with the result. Which is realistic. I don't believe mandating health care violates the Constitution, but I am content to allow the Courts to rule on that. But that (cont'd)
@cherokeedoll1 (con'd) is not "taking over" health care by any stretch of sanity. What makes it debatable is that the Constitution is SILENT on this question, yet explicitly allows some things yet forbids others. We cannot assume that anything not explicitly forbidden is allowed, nor that only things specifically authorized may be done. That is simplistic and unworkable, and presumes also the Founding Fathers were in 100% agreement when they most certainly were NOT.
@zahir13 That is not a difference in degree, but instead a difference in kind. It is a line that Congress has never crossed and the courts have never sanctioned.
@zahir13 America's founders intended the federal government to have limited powers and that the states have an independent sovereign place in our system of government. The Obama/Reid/Pelosi legislation to take control of the American health-care system is the most sweeping and intrusive federal program ever devised. If the federal government can do this, then it can do anything, and the limits on government power that our liberty requires will be more myth
@cherokeedoll1 This is a perfect example of extremist rhetoric. In fact the government has violated the Constitution many times, then the Courts called them on it. The Income Tax in the Civil War. The Armistead Case. The Military Tribunals in Guantanamo. Requiring Communist to register with the government. Treatment of the Nisei. Etc. A system to correct these excesses already exists and had done since the beginning. It is still here & working.
@zahir13 you are the extremist because people like you try to undermind our constitution..and it has been done over the years..its already been changed in such ways that should have never been allowed..and these type people will keep pushing and pushing untill there is no constitution left..Im sorry but your argument is pointless to having a constitution at all... Your logic is actually no logic at all to a constitutional republic..Perhaps you should move to a communist counry then
@cherokeedoll1 This reply is just childish. I made specific points, which you clearly did not understand (either by choice, habit or inability) and you addressed not a single one. All you've done is make vague statements without backing them up and spew conspiracy theories without offering any evidence. This post is a perfect case in point.
@zahir13 your points I do understand,,that is why I say you and people like you are attempting to undermind the very meaning of the constitution. I cannot saying any more clear..If your point were valid at all,,then there would be no point in having a constitution. Its childish of you to not understand what the constitution means. Do you even realize that what you are saying is the same as saying that any government can chance ANYTHING THEY WANT WITHIN OUR CONSTITUTION
@zahir13 you are the one that is not backing up what you say..you have offered no evidence that what you say is allowed by our constituton. You make NO SENSE. and you continue to say that Im not backing anything up..Its you who are bumbling on and on and you make NO Sense.. No point you attempt to make is a valid point...WHAT PART OF "NO POINT YOU HAVE TRIED TO MAKE" IS A VALID POINT. WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? you sre so chidish.
@zahir13 Why dont you read the constitution. Read some quotes from our founders on the subjects and then get someone to explain them to you besieds the left who ignore and/or change our constitution. You simply have not understanding of it at all and Im not a teacher..so I cant make you understand if you do not already..
@zahir13 Im not ranting, Im telling you nothing you have said is valid,,because everything you have said,,everything...it tramples the constitution.. That is why I say,,what would be the point in having a constitution ? I keep having to repeat myself to you..Its like your a child and you have to tell you something over and over again. How old are you anyway ? I dont know how to make you understand what the meaning of the constitution is,,and all of what you have said goes back to distorting it.
@cherokeedoll1 when I say EVERYTHING you have said. that means all the poits you say Im not replying to..None of it,,,just like obamas policies..none of it is according to our constitution. That document was not meant to be changed in the way you on the left suggest.
@zahir13 most people Im sure can understand the meaning when I said "everything" you have said. and when I said "all of the points youve tried to make" Im sure most people have enough since to know that means all of what you said goes against our constitution and Ive already laid out in the message I sent you the exact article that points what the congress is allowed to do,,and that if congess cannot point to any of those things listed in that article..then they cannot pass that legislation
@cherokeedoll1 You have replied, as in responded to in detail, to not a single point I made earlier. Not one. You called me names. You made a few vague sweeping claims about how un-American it is to disagree with you. But you have not replied to any point. I wonder if you are capable of understanding it when someone says something outside your "playbook." But you can prove me wrong any time by actually responding to anything I said. Those reading this can judge for themselves.
@zahir13 Ive already told you, No, Im not capable of understanding those who trample on and stomp on our constitution as if it means nothing at all to them,,I mean I can understand those who are not american..like obama,,hates america and wants to destory it, but for someone who is an american, to purposly disregaurd our constitution to the point that they want to change it in ways that completely go against our founding fathers,well known intentions..No, I am not capable of understanding that
@cherokeedoll1 Given that you haven't replied to any of the substance of what I said, my logical fallback is that you don't understand it enough to have an informed opinion. Just more vague ranting and meandering, which seems to boil down to the notion that no one can possibly disagree with you about anything and be anything other than...what? A communist? Who can tell? But your silence in regards to my actual words continues--as anyone reading this can see for themselves.
@zahir13 where we are speaking of a constitutional republic,,your logic or your words have no substance, thats just it! The constitution is not vague,,in fact, its very clear. Someone whos respects and wants to cherrish it,,speaking out to hold our leaders to keeping that oath,,thats not ranting and meandering,,its you who wish to twist and change the intent of that great document.
@cherokeedoll1 Ironic how you go into vague meandering rant about how you're not vague, meandering or ranting. Meanwhile, you've STILL not addressed a single specific point I've made.
Let others judge for themselves between our words. Or you can do something really different and reply with words that aren't generic bullet points for a Tea Party Rally.
@zahir13 look whos ranting? lol.. Its sad that you actually think youve made a specific valid point,,when you havnt!. I'll tell you what,,you make ONE valid point,,just one,,that the constitution along with our founding fathers famous words cannot prove is a total streatch and distortion of there intent,,and then and only then, will you deserve a direct response.
@cherokeedoll1 Valid or not, you haven't replied to anything. I made a whole bunch of points about the Constitution, its history and different schools of thought about how to approach it. You've not replied to even one of them.
Not even one. And I'm not going to pretend you have.
@zahir13 and Ive told you why,,because what you are doing is trying to distort and change the words of the founders..those on the far, far left do that all the time,,and thats one of the reasons we are in the mess we are in today with this country,,it didnt start with Obama..but with his agenda and at the rate he is going toward it..it might end with him. Valid or not ? Why would anyone want to change there school of thought toward something so secred as our constitution. U dont get it!!
@cherokeedoll1 And still more vague meanderins and even vaguer accusations. You can't even make a coherent accusation about anything I've actually said!
Address a specific point for a change why don't you?
@zahir13 why should I ? Your not address the things that matter.. your just rambling a butch of stuff and trying to make like its ok to do this..or where does it say its not ok to do that.. like I said..streatching and distorting...that is all you have done..I on the other hand have pointed the out the way the constitution reads exactly and what is the law form the founders for passing laws through congress..but you.. you just ramble non sense..and anyone can see what Im saying is true
@cherokeedoll1 Well, you keep saying things about me in a public forum--things that aren't true and make no sense and you act like I've said all sorts of things I did not.
So I dunno, thought you might like to tell the truth for a change. At least now you're kinda/sorta admitting you haven't been addressing anything I actually said.
Not holding my breath, though. I still don't think you CAN.
@zahir13 Im sorry but everything I just mentioned that you said...yes you actually did say. Unless you delete the comments,,they are still in this thread somewhere.You are not telling the truth when u say ""you act like Ive said all sorts of things I did not say"" that is not true..If you didnt delete the comments then the poof is still there,,and if you did delete them,,it will show where you have deleted comments that youve made. Once again..your just rambling...goodnite
@cherokeedoll1 The saddest thing is--you probably believe that. But any objective reader will see just how untrue your claims about my words are. I'm not deleting anything.
And you STILL have not answered a single point I've actually made.
@zahir13 being that just like the others on the far left..think your way is better than the founders..and being that you all think the founders didnt make themselves clear enough..and you should be able to read into as you see fit...being that you have 0 respect for what is in the constitution anyway..Why dont you answer your own question..because I doubt it makes much difference to you what the founders really wanted anyway
@zahir13 and further more,,,discussing the shool of thought with those on the far left,,and giving them their selfish way or even intertaining any idea they might have..that is what has gotten us in the shape we are in now..take a look at medicade, medicare..social security...those on the left are the ones who felt government should start these programs and use them to care for the needy..and deduct our money for us so as we can draw from it when we are older..but just look at theprograms..BROKE
@zahir13 Broken and abused..and government cannot be trusted ..and we the people do not need government controlling everything in our life...Chairty...Christians do there part to charity..look at all the churches that donae,,give..voulunteer.. you know what?? If those who are pulling the pupet strings would do just half as much as the good american people do for the needey..then there would be no more needy in all the world. Bottom line is..big government is not the answer,, never
@zahir13 there are no other shools of thought we should be looking at..other than those of our founding fathers..because they are the ones who know all to well...that is why they came here. I think they are experts and we should be looking to them and our constitution for how we should run this great country which they founded for us. No two scools of thought about it.Those wh do not like the founders and or the american way of liberity and justice for all..those people should simply leave
@zahir13 Anyone who reads these post can judge for themselves,,which is speaking the turth of the constitution,,and which is just rambling the lies and attempts of arguing to change,,twist and stretch the words of it,,untill the constitution is fit for nothing.
@zahir13 Nor do I want to undertand it. I have to much respect and love my freedom to much. Anyone reading these post can see that every point you tried to make, are nothing more than what every other left wing liberal trys to make,,and one again I keep having to repeat myself to you,,they are not valid points because of the very reasons I stated over and over again reguarding the constitution. I get tired of repeting myself, when Ive already pointed out to you how it is that congress cannot
@zahir13 they cannot pass just any law they want. They have guidlines withing the constitutin which has to be followed . You are one to talk about someone comprehending,,when you dont even comprehend that constitution itself and think that if enough people agree ,,it can be changed,,you have not room to talk on comprehending. Anyone who reads this post can see that clearly
@zahir13 I do know this,,the majority in this country get it..Its only the liberals who do not get it,,or dont want to get it..So I would bet the majority of people who visit this site would agree with me..Now perhaps someone who is better at teaching and explainning will come along and teach you of the constitution,,but my guess would be you would argue with even the best..thats how most liberals are
@zahir13 your points are smiply not valid as to make a point agaisnt what Ive already pointed out in the constitution. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. Thats the 16th amendment,,no point youve made makes any sense what so ever..NONE of them .Look up the 16the amendment and read it carefully,,the healthcer bill is a HUGE stretch...
@zahir13 We are talking about individual liberty, which cannot be taken away by Congress, no matter how awesome the legislation.That is what the oath is for..to defend individual liberty
@zahir13 your argument might be more valid if you would take it to the states level..But we are not talking about any single states healthcare bill..we are talking about the federal goverment taking over all the states healthcare..again,,you have not point
@zahir13 when I say EVERYTHING you have said. that means all the poits you say Im not replying to..None of it,,,just like obamas policies..none of it is according to our constitution. That document was not meant to be changed in the way you on the left suggest.
@zahir13 Your right about one thing,,I dont have the ability to understand someone who thinks our constitution cab be changed if "enough people want it to be changed" as you said in one of your earlier comments. All I understand about that is that YOU dont understand the meaning of the constitution,,nor anything it reads. I on the other hand do not want to understand people who have no more respect than that for the constitution or the fonding fathers and what they did for us to live free
@cherokeedoll1 you show me where our constitution says that our gov can do what ever whenever they like?? and that they have no limits?? where does it state that our constitution can be changed to suit whatever president is in power at the time wants??where does it say that ?? It doesnt.. what it states is exactly what Ive said..the gov has limits and it has less than what it is allowed to do.If you chose to ignore facts.then we might as well drop it because fact is all that matter, lies do not
@zahir13 the Constitution does not give Congress the power to require that Americans purchase health insurance. Congress must be able to point to at least one of its powers listed in the Constitution as the basis of any legislation it passes. None of those powers justifies the individual insurance mandate. Congress's powers to tax and spend do not apply because the mandate neither taxes nor spends. Ive already pointed out the article in the constitution which shows you this
@zahir13 . The only other option is Congress's power to regulate interstate commerce.
Congress has many times stretched this power to the breaking point, exceeding even the expanded version of the commerce power established by the Supreme Court since the Great Depression. It is one thing, however, for Congress to regulate economic activity in which individuals choose to engage; it is another to require that individuals engage in such activity.
@zahir13 the fact is,,you and all of your so called "proof" is only a left wing person attempting to change and distort the words or meaning of the founders words within the constitution..stating that nobody can know what it really means. This is only done by those who have not respect for the constitution..the founding fathers,or this country at all.. They should be careful though what they wish for..because some day,,they might get it..
@zahir13 and when they do get it,,they will wake one day to no rights,,no free speach,,no self pertection or rights to have it..no constitution guidelines to give them those rights and no freedom to have the life in which they have always had. They will then be dictated by the tyrants that brain washed them into thinking..the constitution is meaningless..Hopefully you wont have to learn the hard way. Ive given you proof,,you given me none
@zahir13 our constitution clearly gives limits...I know you understand this but you dont want to admit it..that is why you keep asking a stupid question over and over again..Ive already shown you the article that obam has overreached limits..and you keep asking for the same thing again lol.... leave me alone ok... your grasping at straws and acting very immature. My daughter is only a teenager and she undestands better than you
@zahir13 the limits are spelled out and they are splled out in the article that is told what is allowed. which is the article I showed to you. Also.. the quotes from the foudning fathers I showed to you..it proves even more there intentions of what was meant.
@cherokeedoll1 Kindly stop putting words in my mouth. It is rude, even if it does distract from your continued failure to cite a specific article forbidding anything Congress has done in the last year and a half. Claiming nothing was specifically authorized is nonsense. Where is anything FORBIDDEN?
@zahir13 However, ther are other Bills obama is working very hard to FORCE thur congress,,and yes they are bills which once again violate the constitution..I suppose you need me to spell those out for you also..
@cherokeedoll1 No--I asked for the specific article that was being violated. A simple enough request. Pointing to the Constitution as a whole doesn't cut it.
@zahir13 We should all respect and love our constitution which our founding fathers left for us, along with all the writtings they left behind. It is this which gives us freedoms that no other nation has. We are blessed to have our constitution,,and we should never want a president who does not uphold or respect it also. America is a great country..you can work hard and given the chance to become rich. The government should not take that away from someone who worked hard to gain it.
@zahir13 You see..thats what they do in other countires..and that is why there healthcare is not as good as americans and why they are not as big or strong as america has always been. We got that because we did not have a socialist ran government..If you make money fairly with hard work..you get to keep it ..unless you chose yourself to donate to the poor..and that is what many do.Its called charity..But the government should not be allowed to steal from one to spread to another, do you know why
@cherokeedoll1 Actually, health in other countries (like France, Switzerland & Germany to name a few) is rated FAR BETTER than that here. For example, the rate of bankruptcies related to health care costs in those 3 nations is zero!
@zahir13 I just sent you a commnet where you streatch and distort the constitution..Im not going to explain how because Ive already done that and Im getting tired of repeating myself over and over again to you. But,,I will address one of your the ignorat comments you made..being that you insist I waste my time this way. As to your comment that healthcare in other countries are better than here. Well forgive me for not trusting your word on that.. once again..you have presented NO FACTS and
@zahir13 so what difference does it make if the rate of bankruptices for medical care is 0 in those countries, what does that have to do with typr of healthcare they have ??.If they are on socialized medical..NO wonder it is 0. and also,. You need to remember there is a huge difference in having health insurance vs having health CARE. Its funny Ive actually heard people myself who are from other countries and they say america is making a huge mistake with chaning its healthcare system.
@zahir13 so I am now address ONE of the silly points you seem to think you have made. It is invalid just as I said,,because having socialized medical goes complentely against our constitution..and why would america want to change to a system that has failed in every other country who has had it..Just look at the socialist countries.. they are WAY behind america in most everything and while they may have cheaper health cost...doesnt mean they get healthCARE.
@cherokeedoll1 Well, this counts as an attempt anyway. But 1) The bill passed does by any sane definition mean a gvt. takeover, 2) Methinks not bankrupting patients is in fact a good thing in healthcare, 3) You still can point to nothing in the Constitution forbidding the requirement for adults to have insurance, 4) The gvt. DOES require everyone to do other things, like register for the draft, 5) You really don't know what "socialist" means obviously.
@zahir13 our system needed fixing.. but it did NOT need a complete takeover by the government.. and it could have been done without becomeing socialist!! Once again..some should be careful what they ask for,,because they get just that!!
@cherokeedoll1 Now, kindly point out any part of the Constitution that even vaguely hints that socialized medicine is forbidden. The specific article please, since you're so sure it is un-constitutional. Also, please provide evidence that socialized medicine HAS failed elsewhere. Our infant mortality is startlingly high, for example, compared to France, Germany, the UK, etc. & other nations WITH socialized medicine.
@zahir13 I have already showed you how socializied medical is a HUGE stretch ituthe constitution..i get really tired of having to repeat myself over and over again to you. Im not going to point out again,,It only shows your complete and total lack of care and understanding of our constitution, total lack of respect! If the government can force someone to buy healthcare then there is NO point in having a constitution..I keep repeating it over and over again to u..
@cherokeedoll1 No you haven't. You make a lot of vague claims, don't back them up, then put words in my mouth (i.e. LIE).
Let others judge for themselves who has been consistent, who has said what, and who has been specific. I'm not deleting a thing. I stand by my ACTUAL words, not the bizarre spin you put upon them.
@zahir13 here we go again.. yes,,,Ive already pointed out in the constitution..The problem is simply this,,you hold the constitution in contempt..you do not honor it,,respect it.. nor do you seem to understand it. I have more important things to do than to sit here every day trying to make someone understand something they cant comperhend,,nor want to.. Im not going to repeat myself,,I pointed out to you how the gov takever of healthcare is very,,very unconstitional. I cannot keep repeating it
This is an old video, what is your take with the long form released on April 27.
Verdelufe 9 months ago
obama has hired many lawyers to keep his birth certificate and other information such as his school records from k-12, medical records, his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis, and Im sure there ismuch more someone is paying big money to keep secret... why ????? we all know this,,you dont go to all that trouble to hide things, unless u have something to hide
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Or--if by hiding them you accomplish something else, like giving right wing nutjobs nothing more to talk about but the same ridiculous theories, accusations, name-calling and leaps of non-logic with which they started (even to the point of forging Kenyan birth certificates--badly). He's done the smart thing, and continues to come across as sane (as opposed to many of his opponents--case in point).
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 you need to read the constitution,being that you are calling me ignorant of it. Because if you had ever actually read or learned the constitution at all,,you could easily see that every step hussain obama has taken since hes became president has gone against that constitution. However, people who voted for him simply because he was black does not care about the constitution..all they care about is his skin color,,they dont care about anything else.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 He was elected legally to an office he is legally qualified (by ALL evidence) to hold. I don't agree with all of his (or anyone's) policies, but he has acted in accordance to the law. Given that you believe YOU have some legal right to see a public figure's birth records, methinks I'll continue to view your knowledge of the law & the constitution as meager as what you've demonstrated so far.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 there are many who know much now that perhaps wasnt understood before. I would venture to bet that the majority agree with me and not you. However that doesnt really matter..what matters is FACTS..in whish you have none. On the other hand the thngs Ive said have been investigated and evidence shown it to be true, and when you look back in history in hinesight..alot makes more since now than ever did before. Again,, some just chose to ignore facts.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Facts? Like what? All you're offering are vague remarks about "they" & their "obvious" plans & how all everyone else cares about is Obama's race (but not you, right?) while making bizarre, inaccurate statements about the law, about history, etc. Offer some facts, like I have. My guess? You won't--or you'll offer something demonstrably untrue. Been through this before with folks just like you. Self-righteous paranoids who know next-to-nothing & think they're all-knowing.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 Obama refused to show his birth certificate,,hes not proven that he was born in the US., so therefore he is not legal. Hes not really our president..hes just an imposter acting as president. He should be in prison for treason,,because hes commited it on many levels. I do have the right to know the truth about the man that is in "OUR " whitehouse..because it is the american people who have paid for it. I am a american citizen and I pay taxes..I have a right just as any other citizen does
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 According to the law (and sanity) he HAS. You clearly don't know the legal definition of "treason" any more than you realize the Constitution MANDATES accepting a state's legal records. You have NO RIGHTS AT ALL to someone else's birth records. Period. Neither do I. Obama is a citizen, too, and he also has rights (no matter where he was born because his mother is a citizen beyond doubt).
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 You dont seem to understand that "we the people" even have the right to alter or abolish a government who has become destructive with overreaching there boundary..You know our founding fathers did make it clear that the government had boundaries? And this government has well passed it by now..You dont seem to understand that the government works for we the people..We dont work for them..at least thats not how it supposed to be. But I admit its gotten turned around over the years
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 There is it--your REAL agenda. Violence. You don't want law or truth or to learn anything. What you want is to vent your RAGE against a country that has gone in a direction that makes you angry.
So you want to kill people. The mask finally slips. What you really want--BLOOD. American blood. On your hands.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 Its amazing to me how some close there eyes and refuse to see facts even when they are so obvious to see. There is no conspiracy,,it is all well proven facts about the global elites..perhaps if you will trun off american idol and instead take a good look around you at whats taking place in the real world,,then maybe you would learn that the things you call ridiculous theories are actually real life. But I dont blame it completely on obama..Bush played his role in all this as well
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Oh puh-leeze. The world is complex enough, filled with enough mysteries and problems and genuinely byzantine situations you don't need to add to it. Of course, you're not. You're SIMPLIFYING it all with sweeping claims that are ever so comforting--especially since you can now claim to know exactly how the world works and who's to blame for...well, everything.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 yes the world is complex, even though it doesnt have to be, but there are some who do make it that way. Im not simplifying anything, I myself dont have the pwer to do that,,in fact its not simple at all,, evil is the word I would use for the sitution. What Ive said is alot more than just claims,, what Ive said is known facts. you on the other hand keep rambling off alot of nothing. Im not the only one who can see the obivous of how the world works and where the evil is coming from
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 More vague claims about big dark conspiracies behind everything and how you can see it all.
Yawn.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 The fact still remains that if obama didnt have something to hide..then he wouldnt be hiding it.. Im sure if Bush were ask for his birth certificate he would have no problem presenting it. Obama has used the ss number of a dead man..and hes getting away with these things because of the money and power that isbacking him..which is the same that backed Bush before him and clinton before him. The only thing different with obama,,is his hate for america so much is so obvious that he has
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 More wild, unfounded accusations. What a surprise. Mind you, this "hate" you're talking about is simply a different vision of the USA than your own--one evidently way closer to the political center than yours. A vision where government does things for the people, there's equal rights for all, no one is left to just get sick, & the USA is not hated as an arrogant bully.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 my facts are not unfounded. As I said..everything im saying is obvious lol..The "different vision" of the USA as you call it,, once again,,your showing your ignorance of what the constitution actually is. There is but one vision for the usa..and that was set long ago by the ones who founded this country,,they worked it all out for us because they knew to well the tyrantsin which they escaped would never stop the attempt to tear down what they founded. and they were right!!
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Still more vague claims about what is "obvious" even though you haven't offered one verifiable fact. Not even one. Just an argument from authority. BTW, did you know many of the Founding Fathers owned slaves & none of them even considered votes for women? Is THAT your ideal? Methinks we can all figure out the answer...
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 The founding fathers set the vision..and nobody has a right to change that. Im not sure where you get your commin sense from..but you dont seem to understand..The government doesnt have the money to do things for people,,the only money the government has is the money they TAKE from the ones who work hard to earn it..and they have NO RIGHT to FORCE hard working americans to pay for someone else health insurance..or anything else for that matter..What should have been done instead
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Actually, they set it up from the start that the Constitution COULD be changed. Health insurance is not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, nor are automobiles nor computers. So frelling what? In fact Americans VOTED in favor of the welfare state, over and over and over again. You're just whining like a child because you lost the debate. Typical.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 the constitution can be amended for the better...but never to take freedoms away..your not very bight are you ?? or either you think Im stupid lol.....
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Yes, I think you are stupid. And violent. And ignorant. And paranoid. And evil.
Methinks you've proven my case with every word.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 one last bit for you..If you like socialist and communism so well.. why dont you just simply move to a country that alredy has that LOL... Im sure they will be gald to have you...but leave us crazy folks who love freedom alone ok.... peace out
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Ironic that after openly calling for bloodshed, you say "Peace." Meanwhile, this country has been a kind of Socialist since the 1930s (i.e. the New Deal). Most of us like it that way. Why don't YOU go to some country more in tune with YOUR beliefs? Oh, right--the CSA, Third Reich and Apartheid South Africa don't exist any more.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 I have not said one word about bloodshed..and u know it!!! yes we have allowed the evil into the system from the 1930s,,you are right..thats what I said..they did it to us slowly over the years and wihout most realizing exactly what was going on.. but you see..it was wrong from the start... american was made to be a free country not to be ruled by government...and we have to get it back to how it should have always been. Ive not called for bloodshead lol..
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Your words seethe with rage. You openly call the government evil (for healing the sick, no less) and say you're going to take it back.
Yeah, that is pretty clearly bloodlust--your REAL face.
Meanwhile, STILL not a single fact offered. Not even one. Which is at least consistent (like the lie that you're "done with me").
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 Im not the only one who sees the evil that the government as allowed to currupt them, The Majority see the same thing. Just as you said about obamas birth certificate, even if he had one and even if he showed it,,people would still not believe him you said. It goes the same for you,,even if proof was shown to you of the agenda the globalist are reaching toward,, it still wouldnt matter because you would still say it was a lie. you have offered no proof of anythng,,only your opinion
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 LOL! Knew you'd be back! MOST folks believe the truth--Obama was born in Hawaii, just like every scrap of evidence indicates. His BC, Hawaii's confirmations of same, birth announcements at the time, etc. versus absurd stuff from Orly Taitz & her ilk--forged documents, bizarre theories, wild claims that make no sense & have no evidence.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 Your wrong again, there is NO evidence to show Obama was born in Hawaii. No hospital in Hawaii will confirm his birth there,,they wont confirm it, because they know it is a lie. This was investigate before Teri Lakin invited his own court martail and refused to deploy to Iraq. Nobody in Hawaii will confirm Obamas birth. If Obama was born in Hawwaii, it would be so easy to prove, but he refuses. You cannot believe the main stream media, they onl report what they are told to report.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 He showed his short form BC to the entire world, & it was confirmed by FactCheck & by Hawaii (despite your claims to contrary). There were birth announcements at the time. Now--why would anyone lie back in 1962 about any of this? He was a citizen b/c of his mother. What reason had she to go to Kenya & why is there no evidence she went there? You've answered none of this, nor has any birther.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 I will look at the web stie later when I have time and I will get back with you. You keep saying Ive proven nothing, but everything I have said is known facts. Obama wont show his brth certificate. Its no need to prove what is a well known fact. So then if he will not show it,,there is only one reason that could be. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 He showed his short form on line & to folks from FactCheck. No one who's SEEN it has ever had any doubts. The State of Hawaii CONFIRMED its authenticity AND its contents. THERE WERE BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS AT THE TIME IN TWO DIFFERENT HONOLULU NEWSPAPERS! Plus of course his mother going to Kenya to have her first child makes no sense, plus there's zero evidence she ever went there. Not that it matters--HE'S A CITIZEN EITHER WAY BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WAS.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 It does not matter where his mother was a citizen..what matters is were he was born. And now Hawaii never confirmed he was born there,,and the online short form he showed on line was proven to be fake. Yes it was!!
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 I even sent you a link showing Hawaii's explicit confirmation that he was born in Honolulu! Just as I sent you a link to FactCheckdotOrg where they examined all the supposed "fake" details of the BC and found every single one to be invalid. I SENT THE EVIDENCE DIRECTLY TO YOU. And it didn't matter. I rest my case. Facts and evidence are not something you really like.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 you are a nut case....one of those who you could show facts to all day long and still you would agure LOL>>> you dont even understand what you talking about yourself lol..or perhaps your just another commumist pig LOL...either way...Im done with you..I will leave you to your pittiyfull self
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Not a single fact offered, just name-calling. What a surprise. Coupled with an open lust for violence. Methinks we can all see what you're really like.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 and me thinks there is evidence all over the internet if ou want it Im sure you can find it without me showing you cant you ??? LOL... but methinks you dont want see.. and u called me names first LOL.... just look back at our comments LOL... me thinks you silly because the guilty always accuse LOL haha
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 In other words, you STILL don't offer any evidence at all.
But you DO prove yourself a liar since you said you were "done" with me. Again, what a surprise.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 your right. I did say I was done with you and i really am this time..because it does not good to waste my time with someone like you anyway.. you dont know what your talking about for one thing..and plus you seem kind of childish.. but anyway.. I dont have time for your non sense
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 I'm the one offering specific facts, like Chester Arthur's father, the actual law involving citizenship, etc. You're the one insisting on wild theories, getting your facts wrong--and acting as if THAT makes you superior.
And my guess is you've lied again, will respond to this. Hey, prove me wrong. For once.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 If you want proof..its been investigated and evidence shown,,its easy to find on the internet,,it just takes wanting to open your eyes to see it. Ive not been hostile anymore than you have. I have proven you wrong,,as ive said there is proof all oever the internet. But there is none of your claim of "conspiracy theories" I dont reply to you simply because if someone refuses to see the truth..then theres not point in arguing.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 You've offered NOT ONE SCRAP OF EVIDENCE. You have said demonstrably false things--like no president had a foreign born father, that Obama's approval ratings are the lowest ever, etc. Wrong. Every time. Check out "Constitutional Or Hogwash" series here on YouTube to review the actual law. In other words, look somewhere other than Right Wing Blogs for "facts."
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 you have offered not one shread of evidence either, plus you said that no other candidate had ever shown their birth certificate, but that wasnt true,,because John McCain showed his orginial birth certificate, signed by the doctor,with the seal and all. He had no problem with showing his. But Nobama refused. I will look at the site when I have more time. I hope it offers evidence, and not just another warpped opinion. I look at right wing facts, because it is the only that reports truth
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 I said no other President ever HAD to show their BC to the public record--which is true. Legally, they (like the rest of us) have had to prove their citizenship to get a SS#, a passport, to register to vote, etc. Obama did all of this. What he did NOT do was show his long form to a bunch of fringe conspiracy theorists who have no right to see it anyway & dismiss all evidence they don't like out of hand.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 if he did show it,,then Teri Lakin would not have invited his own court martail. Obumble never showed his orginial birth certificate. If he is presidnet,,then he works for the people..and yes,,the people have a right to know the truth,,and you are wrong to say that they dont. Im about to check out the web site you mentioned.I ll get back with you
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Just because he's president does NOT mean you have a right to see his birth records. Just because some conservative members of the military do something stupid for the sake of their ideology does NOT make them right. You've consistently assumed there is only ONE possible reason for anyone to do all sorts of things--but reality just isn't like that.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 according to you, our constitution means nothing, because according to you we can change that constitution in any way, shape ,or form. If that were the case,,then what would be the point in having a constitution? So therefore, you telling me that the american citizens have no right to see the presidents birth certificate is simply your opiinion.. It is clear that in the constitution..that the government works for the people,,,the people are not to be ruled by the government.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 As a matter of Hawaii State law, a person's birth records are private. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that an elected official loses his legal rights. The Constitution CAN be changed any way we like--IF enough people agree. Whether a given change is a good idea is a different question. Stop changing the subject.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:
“ No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the US
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Now--find the passage in US law that defines "Natural born citizen." Next provide the tiniest iota of evidence that Barack Obama was not born in Honolulu where his BC, the state of Hawaii, his family and contemporary birth announcements AT THE TIME all say he was. One bit of evidence. Not absence of evidence. Not your opinion. Actual real facts, genuine evidence.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 Im not changing the subject, I was just showing that just because you say something,,doesnt make it ture. And No,,it doesnt matter how many people agree,,there are certain things stated in the constitution that is made clear cannot be changed and no laws can be made to change them
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Actually the Constitution EXPLICITLY spells out PRECISELY how it can be amended and changed. This is a perfect example of the "knowlege" you and Birthers (and others) routinely demonstrate. You get your facts wrong over and over and over again...
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 In the constitution there are clearly written rules that clearly says..NO laws shall be made to go against what that is written...changes to take away freedoms is never allowed in the constitution..no matter how badly you wish it was
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Well, you're misquoting the Constitution. In fact, the Bill of Rights is ITSELF a set of amendments (i.e. changes) to the Constitution. They can be repealed tomorrow if we so want. Mind you, I think that would be a terrible idea. But nowhere does it say "This part of the Constitution is un-amendable" nor is there the slightest hint of anything there. More vague nonsense (as I expected).
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 Ive not misquoted the constitution..you have!! I know there have been changes or amendments,,but all amendments to founding fathers have done have been for the better. That is why there are certain clauses in the constitution that it clearly states NO LAW SHALL ME MADE AGAISNT. There are many writtings even outside our constitution which the founding fathers left behind for hour benifit. Warnnings of tyrants..such as what we are dealing with now.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 AGAIN--kindly point out the article in the Constitution that says it is un-amendable. Or--admit you were wrong about that.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 yes ther are many scholars who try to chane the constitution..they have an agenda to do so..but the constitution is clear.. I can gladly post a copy of the constitution to you being that you dont know it.. I may have to post it in your inbox,,if there isnt enough room here
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 No--post THE EXACT ARTICLE being violated.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 I did post it to your inbox.. but its still to long to post here. I give you exact information..but Im sure you will still twist and turn it all around so as life liberty and happiness can never be found LOL>>>>
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 You did nothing of the kind. You cut & pasted some Constitutional Fundamentalist's blog. Here and in public, cite the EXACT ARTICLE being violated.
I don't believe you can. Prove me wrong. Cite the exact article. Nothing else. Just that article.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 I could copy and paste the entire constitution and you would say it was just something I coppied and pasted. The point is the article gave you the exact section of the constitution and also give you qotes from the founding fathers. There is a whole library of books and qoties from our founding fathers and there intentions..I just cited you the exact artice that tells the very limited things that the government is allowed to do within the constitution..I already gave you what you ask
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 The government is to have limited control over the people, it is clear in the constitution. I can also copy and paste other arcicles of the constitution to show how obama is overreaching his boundies as president. But the fact is its obvious you are a radical leftwinger and you will twist and deny what the founding fathers intentions are..even though there is a while library full of there writings. I gave you proof. of whats allowed,but u just refuse your own rights
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 This is not the citation of an article. Kindly cite the specific article being violated.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 I did anwer the question..but you refuse the obvious..just like the article said the left do..I gave you the exact article in the constitution that states LIMITS the government is allowed to have in the peoples lives. I gave you the very article which tells one by one what the government IS ALLOWED TO DO. The founders were very clear on the subject of the LIMTS of the government over the people. What part of the article didnt you understand????
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Kindly note the specific article that cites a power which Congress is forbidden, yet which it has done since Obama too office.
This should be easy. Simply cite the specific article.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 It is easy and I already did, Im not going to keep arguing with you simply because you dont want to admit that the the constitution allowed for limited government. Yet Obama is taking over everything with what ?? government. I showed you the article and you are wrong but yet you refuse to amit it.. I have a life outside of youtube and I dont have time to keep repeating myself to someone who seems not understand. But I tell u what,,when you lose your constitution,you will understand then
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Kindly cite the specific Article which has been violated by Congress since Obama took office.
You referred to a long list of things Congress is AUTHORIZED to do. I'm asking for the article that FORBIDS them from doing something they have done.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 actually that is a short list of things congress is allowed to do. You are really slow if you cant see that if congress overreaches those few things they are limited to..then they are doing what is forbidden in that article. You are not that slow are you ?? I will try to break it down more clearly for you then. That very article,written by our founders in the constitution is proof that the government has limits as to what they can do.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 By this logic, the Bill of Rights was pointless because it forbade Congress from doing things it couldn't do anyway.
No, what article in the Constitution FORBIDS something that Congress has done.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 No the bill of rights not pointless..nor is the constitution. But according to you...they are pointless,,because according to u,,,any government can change anything they want in the constitution,,and according to you,,what is not listed that cannot be done..then it can be done by the government..according to you that is lol... with your point of viiew..we might as well put the constitution and the bill of rights in the shreader..which is basicly what obama is doing
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 that very article forbids them from all the government takeovers that hussain obama is doing
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 Obama is taking over everything with tax payer money. Government take over such as what obama is doing is most clearly forbiden in the constitution. That is why they list is so short as to what government CAN DO.. They can do very little,,but what is obame doing...EVERYTHING, BAIL OUTS FOR BANKERS, BIG CORPORATIONS, BIG TIME CREDID CARD COMPANYS,,TAKE OEVER OF AUTO MAKERS,,ENTIRE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM,,FORCE HEALTHCARE OR GO TO JAIL AND PAY FINES..WHAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE LIMITS>
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Where is that forbidden, please? In what article does it preclude any such thing? Whether that is a GOOD IDEA or not is a valid question, but where is Congress forbidden from it?
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 If obama keeps going as he has been and it keeps being allowed,,we will have no constitution anyway. and we will have no freedom of speach. Obama is working on more bills to take more of are rights way..We will see what happens in the future..We do have a declaration of independence also..and it cleary states thta when a government becomes destructive,,it is the right of the people to alter or abolish them..The government is not ment to be our boss..we are menant to be theirs.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Paranoid gibberish you haven't even bothered to try and demonstrate--coupled with a call for violence.
AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T SHOWN WHAT ANYONE HAS DONE THAT IS ACTUALLY FORBIDDEN BY THE CONSTITUTION.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 Ive shown you the article which states what the government is allowed to do. Its your choice not to respect or even care what the founding fathers wrote. Anyone who reads these post can see you are a liar by saying that Ive made any comment that called for violence. In fact..you are the only one whoes mentioned that. Ive presented more facts than you have. All you have done is pointed out a video that had no proof of anything within it.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 But you haven't shown anything forbidding Congress from doing anything. THAT is what I asked for--and you couldn't find it.
But you have gone on & on about how the government must be abolished, how it is evil & part of a conspiracy by the Illuminati(!)
And I sent you almost a dozen links! Including transcripts of legal decisions based on lawsuits begun by Birthers (before you dropped that subject).
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 you keep saying Ive not shown you and that is a lie. If you keep lying..then what good is our conversation. I did show you. but deny facts. Its that simple. If you deny facts then there nothing more I can do tohelp you. You lie again when you said that I said the government must be abloshed..What I said was our delaration of independance states that if the government becomes destructive and overeaching..it is the right of the people to alter or abolish them.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 Your links have prven nothing. I have shown you the few things that is allowed by our founders within our governent. Ive not dropped the subject..I simply cannot keep saying the same things over and over again when you deny facts. It is pointless to carry a conversation with someone who ignores facts. My facts came from the constitution. yours didnt. You show me then..where it states that the goverment can controll everything and where does it read that our gov can control everything ??
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 I have asked you again and again to show any part of the Constitution that specifically forbids anything Congress has done since Obama took office. You have declined to do so. Methinks the reason is obvious. You cannot. Instead you insist Congress can only do what is is specifically authorized to do. But you haven't explained then WHY the Bill of Rights is needed, since it forbids things YOU say Congress cannot do anyway. And you didn't comprehend any of t hat, did you?
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 you show me where our constitution says that our gov can do what ever whenever they like?? and that they have no limits?? where does it state that our constitution can be changed to suit whatever president is in power at the time wants??where does it say that ?? It doesnt.. what it states is exactly what Ive said..the gov has limits and it has less than what it is allowed to do.If you chose to ignore facts.then we might as well drop it because fact is all that matter, lies do not
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Well, good--you've at last mentioned something specific, the requirement that Americans purchase health care insurance (although by no sane argument is that "taking over health care"). This is at least a legitimate issue. No one btw is claiming the government "has no limits". That is a bizarre fantasy akin to "death panels" and "FEMA camps" for dissidents. However, again, there is nothing in the Constitution FORBIDDING this requirement. It is however a question rather (cont'd)
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 your missing the point. Congress MUST be able to point to one of its powers allowed in the constitution to pass legislation. The government can’t draft an unwilling citizen into commerce just so it can regulate him under the Commerce Clause. That goes agaisnt the whole meaning of the constitution
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 (cont'd) than an absolutely clear-cut answer--simply because the Constitution doesn't explicitly forbid any such thing. Look in vain for any article that says Congress cannot require all citizens do something. It doesn't give specific permission either--but then, it never says Congress may limit any weapon (not even H-bombs). This is a matter for the system created by the Constitution to decide--the Federal Court System. (cont'd)
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 with this logic then, any president could change anything he wanted in the constitution..what would be the point in having a constitution ?? your arugment makes no sense whatsoever. I suppose this is what our founders meant when they tell the citizens they have the right to alter and abolish any government that overreaches and mis quotes the constitution
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 zahir13
3 days ago @cherokeedoll1 (cont'd) than an absolutely clear-cut answer--simply because the Constitution doesn't explicitly forbid any such thing. Look in vain for any article that says Congress cannot require all citizens do something. It doesn't give specific permission either--but then, it never says Congress may limit any weapon (not even H-bombs). This is a matter for the system created by the Constitution to decide--the
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 (cont'd) Ridiculous hyperbole aside, the Congress can and has enacted policies that are WRONG without violating the Constitution. More, reasonable people disagree about what does violate it. Hence a process exists to decide precisely that. It exists, it works--and nobody agrees 100% with the result. Which is realistic. I don't believe mandating health care violates the Constitution, but I am content to allow the Courts to rule on that. But that (cont'd)
zahir13 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 (con'd) is not "taking over" health care by any stretch of sanity. What makes it debatable is that the Constitution is SILENT on this question, yet explicitly allows some things yet forbids others. We cannot assume that anything not explicitly forbidden is allowed, nor that only things specifically authorized may be done. That is simplistic and unworkable, and presumes also the Founding Fathers were in 100% agreement when they most certainly were NOT.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 That is not a difference in degree, but instead a difference in kind. It is a line that Congress has never crossed and the courts have never sanctioned.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 America's founders intended the federal government to have limited powers and that the states have an independent sovereign place in our system of government. The Obama/Reid/Pelosi legislation to take control of the American health-care system is the most sweeping and intrusive federal program ever devised. If the federal government can do this, then it can do anything, and the limits on government power that our liberty requires will be more myth
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 Is that what you want? Do you want americas liberty to be nothing more than a myth ? or for our liberity to be past tense ?
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 This is a perfect example of extremist rhetoric. In fact the government has violated the Constitution many times, then the Courts called them on it. The Income Tax in the Civil War. The Armistead Case. The Military Tribunals in Guantanamo. Requiring Communist to register with the government. Treatment of the Nisei. Etc. A system to correct these excesses already exists and had done since the beginning. It is still here & working.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 you are the extremist because people like you try to undermind our constitution..and it has been done over the years..its already been changed in such ways that should have never been allowed..and these type people will keep pushing and pushing untill there is no constitution left..Im sorry but your argument is pointless to having a constitution at all... Your logic is actually no logic at all to a constitutional republic..Perhaps you should move to a communist counry then
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 This reply is just childish. I made specific points, which you clearly did not understand (either by choice, habit or inability) and you addressed not a single one. All you've done is make vague statements without backing them up and spew conspiracy theories without offering any evidence. This post is a perfect case in point.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 your points I do understand,,that is why I say you and people like you are attempting to undermind the very meaning of the constitution. I cannot saying any more clear..If your point were valid at all,,then there would be no point in having a constitution. Its childish of you to not understand what the constitution means. Do you even realize that what you are saying is the same as saying that any government can chance ANYTHING THEY WANT WITHIN OUR CONSTITUTION
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 you are the one that is not backing up what you say..you have offered no evidence that what you say is allowed by our constituton. You make NO SENSE. and you continue to say that Im not backing anything up..Its you who are bumbling on and on and you make NO Sense.. No point you attempt to make is a valid point...WHAT PART OF "NO POINT YOU HAVE TRIED TO MAKE" IS A VALID POINT. WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? you sre so chidish.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 Why dont you read the constitution. Read some quotes from our founders on the subjects and then get someone to explain them to you besieds the left who ignore and/or change our constitution. You simply have not understanding of it at all and Im not a teacher..so I cant make you understand if you do not already..
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 These rants only show you didn't understand my words because you're not replying to anything I said.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 Im not ranting, Im telling you nothing you have said is valid,,because everything you have said,,everything...it tramples the constitution.. That is why I say,,what would be the point in having a constitution ? I keep having to repeat myself to you..Its like your a child and you have to tell you something over and over again. How old are you anyway ? I dont know how to make you understand what the meaning of the constitution is,,and all of what you have said goes back to distorting it.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 when I say EVERYTHING you have said. that means all the poits you say Im not replying to..None of it,,,just like obamas policies..none of it is according to our constitution. That document was not meant to be changed in the way you on the left suggest.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 You have not addressed a single point I made. And anyone reading these posts can judge that for themselves.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 most people Im sure can understand the meaning when I said "everything" you have said. and when I said "all of the points youve tried to make" Im sure most people have enough since to know that means all of what you said goes against our constitution and Ive already laid out in the message I sent you the exact article that points what the congress is allowed to do,,and that if congess cannot point to any of those things listed in that article..then they cannot pass that legislation
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 You have replied, as in responded to in detail, to not a single point I made earlier. Not one. You called me names. You made a few vague sweeping claims about how un-American it is to disagree with you. But you have not replied to any point. I wonder if you are capable of understanding it when someone says something outside your "playbook." But you can prove me wrong any time by actually responding to anything I said. Those reading this can judge for themselves.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 Ive already told you, No, Im not capable of understanding those who trample on and stomp on our constitution as if it means nothing at all to them,,I mean I can understand those who are not american..like obama,,hates america and wants to destory it, but for someone who is an american, to purposly disregaurd our constitution to the point that they want to change it in ways that completely go against our founding fathers,well known intentions..No, I am not capable of understanding that
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Given that you haven't replied to any of the substance of what I said, my logical fallback is that you don't understand it enough to have an informed opinion. Just more vague ranting and meandering, which seems to boil down to the notion that no one can possibly disagree with you about anything and be anything other than...what? A communist? Who can tell? But your silence in regards to my actual words continues--as anyone reading this can see for themselves.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 where we are speaking of a constitutional republic,,your logic or your words have no substance, thats just it! The constitution is not vague,,in fact, its very clear. Someone whos respects and wants to cherrish it,,speaking out to hold our leaders to keeping that oath,,thats not ranting and meandering,,its you who wish to twist and change the intent of that great document.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Ironic how you go into vague meandering rant about how you're not vague, meandering or ranting. Meanwhile, you've STILL not addressed a single specific point I've made.
Let others judge for themselves between our words. Or you can do something really different and reply with words that aren't generic bullet points for a Tea Party Rally.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 look whos ranting? lol.. Its sad that you actually think youve made a specific valid point,,when you havnt!. I'll tell you what,,you make ONE valid point,,just one,,that the constitution along with our founding fathers famous words cannot prove is a total streatch and distortion of there intent,,and then and only then, will you deserve a direct response.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Valid or not, you haven't replied to anything. I made a whole bunch of points about the Constitution, its history and different schools of thought about how to approach it. You've not replied to even one of them.
Not even one. And I'm not going to pretend you have.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 and Ive told you why,,because what you are doing is trying to distort and change the words of the founders..those on the far, far left do that all the time,,and thats one of the reasons we are in the mess we are in today with this country,,it didnt start with Obama..but with his agenda and at the rate he is going toward it..it might end with him. Valid or not ? Why would anyone want to change there school of thought toward something so secred as our constitution. U dont get it!!
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 And still more vague meanderins and even vaguer accusations. You can't even make a coherent accusation about anything I've actually said!
Address a specific point for a change why don't you?
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 why should I ? Your not address the things that matter.. your just rambling a butch of stuff and trying to make like its ok to do this..or where does it say its not ok to do that.. like I said..streatching and distorting...that is all you have done..I on the other hand have pointed the out the way the constitution reads exactly and what is the law form the founders for passing laws through congress..but you.. you just ramble non sense..and anyone can see what Im saying is true
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Well, you keep saying things about me in a public forum--things that aren't true and make no sense and you act like I've said all sorts of things I did not.
So I dunno, thought you might like to tell the truth for a change. At least now you're kinda/sorta admitting you haven't been addressing anything I actually said.
Not holding my breath, though. I still don't think you CAN.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 Im sorry but everything I just mentioned that you said...yes you actually did say. Unless you delete the comments,,they are still in this thread somewhere.You are not telling the truth when u say ""you act like Ive said all sorts of things I did not say"" that is not true..If you didnt delete the comments then the poof is still there,,and if you did delete them,,it will show where you have deleted comments that youve made. Once again..your just rambling...goodnite
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 The saddest thing is--you probably believe that. But any objective reader will see just how untrue your claims about my words are. I'm not deleting anything.
And you STILL have not answered a single point I've actually made.
Not one.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 being that just like the others on the far left..think your way is better than the founders..and being that you all think the founders didnt make themselves clear enough..and you should be able to read into as you see fit...being that you have 0 respect for what is in the constitution anyway..Why dont you answer your own question..because I doubt it makes much difference to you what the founders really wanted anyway
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 and further more,,,discussing the shool of thought with those on the far left,,and giving them their selfish way or even intertaining any idea they might have..that is what has gotten us in the shape we are in now..take a look at medicade, medicare..social security...those on the left are the ones who felt government should start these programs and use them to care for the needy..and deduct our money for us so as we can draw from it when we are older..but just look at theprograms..BROKE
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cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 Broken and abused..and government cannot be trusted ..and we the people do not need government controlling everything in our life...Chairty...Christians do there part to charity..look at all the churches that donae,,give..voulunteer.. you know what?? If those who are pulling the pupet strings would do just half as much as the good american people do for the needey..then there would be no more needy in all the world. Bottom line is..big government is not the answer,, never
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Well, now at least you're addressing an issue--the Welfare State. Good for you. Still kinda rambling, gotta say.
More to the point--in no way addresses any issue I brought up or discussed. So you still haven't responded to any point I've made.
Not one.
zahir13 1 year ago
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@zahir13 there are no other shools of thought we should be looking at..other than those of our founding fathers..because they are the ones who know all to well...that is why they came here. I think they are experts and we should be looking to them and our constitution for how we should run this great country which they founded for us. No two scools of thought about it.Those wh do not like the founders and or the american way of liberity and justice for all..those people should simply leave
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 Anyone who reads these post can judge for themselves,,which is speaking the turth of the constitution,,and which is just rambling the lies and attempts of arguing to change,,twist and stretch the words of it,,untill the constitution is fit for nothing.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 Nor do I want to undertand it. I have to much respect and love my freedom to much. Anyone reading these post can see that every point you tried to make, are nothing more than what every other left wing liberal trys to make,,and one again I keep having to repeat myself to you,,they are not valid points because of the very reasons I stated over and over again reguarding the constitution. I get tired of repeting myself, when Ive already pointed out to you how it is that congress cannot
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 they cannot pass just any law they want. They have guidlines withing the constitutin which has to be followed . You are one to talk about someone comprehending,,when you dont even comprehend that constitution itself and think that if enough people agree ,,it can be changed,,you have not room to talk on comprehending. Anyone who reads this post can see that clearly
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 I do know this,,the majority in this country get it..Its only the liberals who do not get it,,or dont want to get it..So I would bet the majority of people who visit this site would agree with me..Now perhaps someone who is better at teaching and explainning will come along and teach you of the constitution,,but my guess would be you would argue with even the best..thats how most liberals are
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 You STILL have not addressed a single point I actually made.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 thats because you did not make a single valid point
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 your points are smiply not valid as to make a point agaisnt what Ive already pointed out in the constitution. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. Thats the 16th amendment,,no point youve made makes any sense what so ever..NONE of them .Look up the 16the amendment and read it carefully,,the healthcer bill is a HUGE stretch...
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 We are talking about individual liberty, which cannot be taken away by Congress, no matter how awesome the legislation.That is what the oath is for..to defend individual liberty
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 your argument might be more valid if you would take it to the states level..But we are not talking about any single states healthcare bill..we are talking about the federal goverment taking over all the states healthcare..again,,you have not point
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
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@zahir13 when I say EVERYTHING you have said. that means all the poits you say Im not replying to..None of it,,,just like obamas policies..none of it is according to our constitution. That document was not meant to be changed in the way you on the left suggest.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 Your right about one thing,,I dont have the ability to understand someone who thinks our constitution cab be changed if "enough people want it to be changed" as you said in one of your earlier comments. All I understand about that is that YOU dont understand the meaning of the constitution,,nor anything it reads. I on the other hand do not want to understand people who have no more respect than that for the constitution or the fonding fathers and what they did for us to live free
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 you show me where our constitution says that our gov can do what ever whenever they like?? and that they have no limits?? where does it state that our constitution can be changed to suit whatever president is in power at the time wants??where does it say that ?? It doesnt.. what it states is exactly what Ive said..the gov has limits and it has less than what it is allowed to do.If you chose to ignore facts.then we might as well drop it because fact is all that matter, lies do not
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 the Constitution does not give Congress the power to require that Americans purchase health insurance. Congress must be able to point to at least one of its powers listed in the Constitution as the basis of any legislation it passes. None of those powers justifies the individual insurance mandate. Congress's powers to tax and spend do not apply because the mandate neither taxes nor spends. Ive already pointed out the article in the constitution which shows you this
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 . The only other option is Congress's power to regulate interstate commerce.
Congress has many times stretched this power to the breaking point, exceeding even the expanded version of the commerce power established by the Supreme Court since the Great Depression. It is one thing, however, for Congress to regulate economic activity in which individuals choose to engage; it is another to require that individuals engage in such activity.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 the fact is,,you and all of your so called "proof" is only a left wing person attempting to change and distort the words or meaning of the founders words within the constitution..stating that nobody can know what it really means. This is only done by those who have not respect for the constitution..the founding fathers,or this country at all.. They should be careful though what they wish for..because some day,,they might get it..
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 and when they do get it,,they will wake one day to no rights,,no free speach,,no self pertection or rights to have it..no constitution guidelines to give them those rights and no freedom to have the life in which they have always had. They will then be dictated by the tyrants that brain washed them into thinking..the constitution is meaningless..Hopefully you wont have to learn the hard way. Ive given you proof,,you given me none
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 our constitution clearly gives limits...I know you understand this but you dont want to admit it..that is why you keep asking a stupid question over and over again..Ive already shown you the article that obam has overreached limits..and you keep asking for the same thing again lol.... leave me alone ok... your grasping at straws and acting very immature. My daughter is only a teenager and she undestands better than you
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 But limits are spelled out somewhere--like in the Bill of Rights. Where are these specific limits spelled out? What article?
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 the limits are spelled out and they are splled out in the article that is told what is allowed. which is the article I showed to you. Also.. the quotes from the foudning fathers I showed to you..it proves even more there intentions of what was meant.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Kindly stop putting words in my mouth. It is rude, even if it does distract from your continued failure to cite a specific article forbidding anything Congress has done in the last year and a half. Claiming nothing was specifically authorized is nonsense. Where is anything FORBIDDEN?
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 However, ther are other Bills obama is working very hard to FORCE thur congress,,and yes they are bills which once again violate the constitution..I suppose you need me to spell those out for you also..
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 No--I asked for the specific article that was being violated. A simple enough request. Pointing to the Constitution as a whole doesn't cut it.
What SPECIFIC article is being violated?
Again, I think you cannot answer this question.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 We should all respect and love our constitution which our founding fathers left for us, along with all the writtings they left behind. It is this which gives us freedoms that no other nation has. We are blessed to have our constitution,,and we should never want a president who does not uphold or respect it also. America is a great country..you can work hard and given the chance to become rich. The government should not take that away from someone who worked hard to gain it.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Well, that was vague. As usual.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 You see..thats what they do in other countires..and that is why there healthcare is not as good as americans and why they are not as big or strong as america has always been. We got that because we did not have a socialist ran government..If you make money fairly with hard work..you get to keep it ..unless you chose yourself to donate to the poor..and that is what many do.Its called charity..But the government should not be allowed to steal from one to spread to another, do you know why
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Actually, health in other countries (like France, Switzerland & Germany to name a few) is rated FAR BETTER than that here. For example, the rate of bankruptcies related to health care costs in those 3 nations is zero!
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 I just sent you a commnet where you streatch and distort the constitution..Im not going to explain how because Ive already done that and Im getting tired of repeating myself over and over again to you. But,,I will address one of your the ignorat comments you made..being that you insist I waste my time this way. As to your comment that healthcare in other countries are better than here. Well forgive me for not trusting your word on that.. once again..you have presented NO FACTS and
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 so what difference does it make if the rate of bankruptices for medical care is 0 in those countries, what does that have to do with typr of healthcare they have ??.If they are on socialized medical..NO wonder it is 0. and also,. You need to remember there is a huge difference in having health insurance vs having health CARE. Its funny Ive actually heard people myself who are from other countries and they say america is making a huge mistake with chaning its healthcare system.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@zahir13 so I am now address ONE of the silly points you seem to think you have made. It is invalid just as I said,,because having socialized medical goes complentely against our constitution..and why would america want to change to a system that has failed in every other country who has had it..Just look at the socialist countries.. they are WAY behind america in most everything and while they may have cheaper health cost...doesnt mean they get healthCARE.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Well, this counts as an attempt anyway. But 1) The bill passed does by any sane definition mean a gvt. takeover, 2) Methinks not bankrupting patients is in fact a good thing in healthcare, 3) You still can point to nothing in the Constitution forbidding the requirement for adults to have insurance, 4) The gvt. DOES require everyone to do other things, like register for the draft, 5) You really don't know what "socialist" means obviously.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 our system needed fixing.. but it did NOT need a complete takeover by the government.. and it could have been done without becomeing socialist!! Once again..some should be careful what they ask for,,because they get just that!!
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 Now, kindly point out any part of the Constitution that even vaguely hints that socialized medicine is forbidden. The specific article please, since you're so sure it is un-constitutional. Also, please provide evidence that socialized medicine HAS failed elsewhere. Our infant mortality is startlingly high, for example, compared to France, Germany, the UK, etc. & other nations WITH socialized medicine.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 I have already showed you how socializied medical is a HUGE stretch ituthe constitution..i get really tired of having to repeat myself over and over again to you. Im not going to point out again,,It only shows your complete and total lack of care and understanding of our constitution, total lack of respect! If the government can force someone to buy healthcare then there is NO point in having a constitution..I keep repeating it over and over again to u..
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
@cherokeedoll1 No you haven't. You make a lot of vague claims, don't back them up, then put words in my mouth (i.e. LIE).
Let others judge for themselves who has been consistent, who has said what, and who has been specific. I'm not deleting a thing. I stand by my ACTUAL words, not the bizarre spin you put upon them.
zahir13 1 year ago
@zahir13 here we go again.. yes,,,Ive already pointed out in the constitution..The problem is simply this,,you hold the constitution in contempt..you do not honor it,,respect it.. nor do you seem to understand it. I have more important things to do than to sit here every day trying to make someone understand something they cant comperhend,,nor want to.. Im not going to repeat myself,,I pointed out to you how the gov takever of healthcare is very,,very unconstitional. I cannot keep repeating it
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago