@sy9593 You forget, that the movie isn't always chronological. It could be that this scene isn't parallel to the scene in the bathroom where jigsaw lies on the floor.
@sy9593 I have to agree with u. It is very untypical for him to kill someone in a direct way. I just wanted to remind u of the cunfusing use of time in this movies
This is a flashback, in chronical real-time Tapp's story begins when he is watching trough Dr Gordon's window and he saw Zep, the scenes before are just flashbacks to make it fit the storyline.
you can tell hes not the REAL jigsaw killer causenotice how he turns around from a corner...y wud he go there in the first place....well obviously to swap with the accomplace
wow could you imagine how much time and how many lives tapp and sing could have saved if they would have just shot??? i mean thered b no bathroom trap or anything after that lol
Nop he dosen't sound like Jigsaw but neither sounds like Dr. Gordon it sounds like Jigsaw John Kramer having a troke becouse he has canser that could be hoofman becouse he get up like that shoot never happends becouse hes an detective and he had camuflash
People you don't remember when in the autopsy room when it was Perez and Erickson the same doctor was there you now Dr. Hefner was there and hoffman i think say some think about So yo can tell the same nife how cut the jigsaw puzzel of baxter stomich the person how kill Hoffman sister Hoffman say somethink to Dr. Hefner telling hem with a smille god work like telling hem you are next on the game like hes aprentice
Have you watched this film all the way through? yes it is the real jigsaw. It proves it at the END of the movie in the flash backs. It shows John Kramer (jigsaws) face when detective tapp tells him to put his hands up. watch the ending carefully and youll see PS thanks for putting it up been trying to find it on youtube.
@xoxbramblexox They showed him with his hands up in that robe but it is still not 100% clear. Detective Tapp should have gotten a look at him in this scene. If not he would have taken the hood off. Tapp's a good detective. After this he still suspected Gordon to be Jigsaw.
The voice sounds like Tobin Bell and Carey Elwes talking together. These guys did this series perfect to create such suspense and mystery. I'm on Pins and needles for Saw 3D to get some questions answered.
but he speaks dude, its john's voice. u should be more concerned about the gentleman named jeff in the chair. who is he? what did jigsaw want with him?
@BYOSProductions its Dr. Gordan..the scene in which Dr. Gordan asks Adam who hired him to take pictures adam says "Idk hes a tall black guy he has a scar around his neck.." Tall black guy is too vague of a description but when Adam says Scar around his neck Gordan realizes its tapt now..how would Gordan know tapt had a scar around his neck unless Gordan was the one who slit his throat?
idk, but that i a good theory. i cant think of any time they had met up and he had the scar. maybe he knew about the incident on the new or something.
tapp your a dump ass, you should of wait until he came out of the elavtor and then you guys had him, he would of not have activated that trap or slice your neck. instead they just waited until jigsaw came and activated the trap, tapp got stapped and sing chased jigsaw and got his head blown up, sad ending for sing.
He does sound like Tobin Bell, just listen carefully. And it's actually revealed at the end of the movie that this was Jigsaw, because in a quick flash we can see the whole thing again, this Jigsaw holding up his arms as he has here, but from a different angle which allows the viewer to see his face. Oh and why would a accomplice say: "I'm sick of the disease eating away at me from inside"? Last but not least, yeah he sliced officer tapp here but not that deep, just enough to cause distraction
I have no idea... but then again, even if he killed Tapp with this, would it be more of a murder then all the other people that died in his traps? After all, yeah all the people in the traps have gotten a chance (though a near impossible chance most of the time) but Tapp had a chance too... the chance to let Jigsaw go and instead focus at freeing that guy...
Hmm, I have been thinking and maybe I was wrong, maybe Jill was suposed to test Hoffman but made it an execution, and that the real test ´will be done by someone else, but who?0.o
which brings me to the idea it is gordon! because right after adam sayd he had a scar across his neck, gordon knew that it was tapp....WHY? how the hell did gordon know that the man adam was describing was tapp?
well they went to the k2k building the same day tapp dropped of gordon, so im sure someone would have called him to tell him what happened, plus you see them taking pictures after singg was shot.
plus it was a jigsaw story, it would have been on the news and in the papers
i dont understand why people are so obsessed with working out the plot so fast why cant you just watch the damb film and wait for the story to be explained in future films instead of ruining it for yourself
look everyone ive seen every movie like times. Jill is not an accomplish of any sort remember in saw 6 it shows a seen where its john amanda and jill and john tells him that he'll leave her a way out. well the only way out was to put hoffman through the reverse bear trap and he was suppose to die. SHES NOT THE NEXT JIGSAW.
"a way out" Think about it. Cops will find Hoffman at the abondoned zoo. He's still alive, he will pin everything on Jill. He will claim Jill abducted him (along w/others), put him through the test an fled the scene. BTW: Costas Manydlor is confirmed for SAW VII
I just had a thought. The shotguns that killed Sign could they have been part of another test? He did have that guy in a trap and after he escapes the chair he would have gone down that hallway. That's my theory.
Toberoon has proved dr gorden is alive in saw 2 the man putting the key in michael's eye he is limping on his right foot. where does the hospital equipment come from? he worked for kramer he didnt get help for adam he just ran away and probablt said "nice work john he believes i was trapped too" or maybe just wanted to work for kramer ?? in saw 6 there is no mention of dr gordan making there a chance for another saw movie i look forward to it!!!
that person is not jigsaw it is gordon he knows how to get tranquilizers and inject them and that is his voice but hes but hes making it deeper and he can run like that because he got a wooden foot and a brace and stuck them together and wears it and has medical knowlege and supplies jigsaw whith stuff from a hospital and ambulances.
I think that the voice sounds likes Dr Gordon to me. Btw where dose the guy in the drill chair trap gose once been saved?? Could that guy be the some guy that lies down to be dead in the end of Saw where Dr Gordon Cut his right foot off ?? plz reply to answer my questions...
Although i greatley agree with u when u say whoever this is... obviously this isnt john... ur also right when u say that john would never try to kill anybody, also i saw one of ur comments below and it makes no sense... Jeff could not be the accomplance he died at the beginning of saw 4... still love ur vids though : )
Wow, you might actually be right on this hooded guy getting shot on his right foot. Either that, or the stumble on the right foot at 0:31 was a common movie blooper.
That was a good point-out. Hoffman could've very well supplied the accomplaces with body vests, just in case an encounter with local authorities like this ever did take place. This is of course Jigsaw, for he always plans ahead. =). Such a maniacal genius in every possible sociopathic way.
The most likely explanation I see for this scene is a twin brother of John Kramer, which seems absurd, I know, but it's the only logical outcome I've been able to provide based on my analysis.
Another problem with this scene is that this Jigsaw intended to kill Detective Tapp by slashing his throat? Anything about that seem a little un-jigsaw like? I seem to think so, as John did say he hadn't killed anybody in his life on Saw 2, definitely leading us to believe that this wasn't in fact John Kramer at all. The same goes for his willingness to kill Jeff just to get away and distract both detectives. All of this doesn't seem to apply to John. His voice is Tobin Bell though. Strange.....
And where would an old man of his current medical condition get that kind of medical attention from being shot at by a shotgun from that distance in a good amount of time while at the same time on the run from the police, having two eye witnesses left who've seen his face? If this was Gordon or Hefner, then they could've aided themselves in some surgical way. In one of the Saw 1 ending flashbacks, Tobin Bell is shown under the hood during this scene with his hands up. Twin brother, perhaps? lol.
lol Maybe John Kramer has a psychopathic twin that detests society in the same manner. That's a stretch though, but interesting nontheless =).
Anyway, I'm not sure as to whether or not this hooded assailent was shot at all, or just faking it. When he gets up after Sing is killed, he is walking out the building rather slowly, and grips his side as he is last seen, stumbling out. If it was John, than I guess his illness could possibly explain that. If he was shot, he would need medical attention
i think its heffner, because hoffman dosent know hefner is an accomplace, because if he did he would have known it was heffner going to test him.
anyway, even though u have a vest on u will still need medical attention, either hoffman went to hospital and risked the p.d finiding out he was shot and get asked how.
Whoever it is, they can sure imitate John's voice real well, that is if it isn't John himself at all. Haven't really heard Hefner's voice all that much, but from what I've heard of him talking on Saw 4, he sounds pretty light-voiced. I'm not sure if he could pull of a Jigsaw voice too well.
Either way, this can't be Hoffman, for it sounds nothing like anything he could pull off, and due to the fact that we saw the hooded man's face at the end of Saw 1, which was Tobin Bell. Twin assumptions...
Holy shit. I was just watching the saw 1 ending, looking at the scene showing John under the hood in the flashback during the ending, and noticed that he's wearing 2 gloves. The guy in this video at 2:31 doesn't have a glove on his right hand, but this is most likely a blooper, for throughout most of the scene we see him wearing a glove on that right hand. lol. Just like 2:53 we see Jigsaw on his knees facing away from the drill chair, but then at 2:57 he's facing the other way, lol.
well in saw 2 where the guy had the mask of nails, when he wakes up, a tape plays, and the person who puts the key behind his eye is LIMPING. watch carefully when you watch saw 2. and in saw 3 where lynn and jigsaw are talking lynn says "Dr.Gordon was your doctor." and jigsaw says "And Dr.Gordon was my patient" which mean jigsaw helped him POSSABLY put his foot back on? Think about it. I'm 99.9% sure it's gordon.
hmm well jigsaw hates killers... he tested Gordon to c if he could kill adam. he didn't yet he escapes the trap by cutting off his foot. maybe he recruited Gordon and his test showed how he could not kill but he appreciated life. think about that.
1- The guy looks nothing like Jigsaw. Besides, Jigsaw's real name was John, not Jeff.
2- There is a slight pitch difference, but I don't think that could determine whether or not it's Tobin. At around 3:00, the man says "sick from the disease eating away at me inside." Obviously, this could be a reference to Jigsaw's cancer.
3 - You have a nice point. However, he didn't appear to have the intention of killing, merely getting Tapp away from him.
4. For the directors to suddenly thrust an entirely new Jigsaw killer with only this scene to provide as any questionable evidence would be in poor film making, and it's not in Saw's reputation.
5. I wouldn't exactly rule it out just yet. There's not nearly enough information to make that conclusion.
I don't know who it is, but I think there's a distinct possibility that this scene is simply over analyzed.
for one that guy doesnt look like jigsaw in the chair, 2 tapp didnt die till the end as we know so..., 3 the reason for his voice sounding different could be that tobin bell was still trying to find the right voice or it may be as simple as the fact that jigsaws cancer hadnt developed enough by that point allowing better speach as that where his gruff voice comes from
i know tapp didnt die, but when you cut someones throut, it usely means that they will die and have a low chance of survival. plus tapp dosent die in this. he dies in the game after.
plus the voice tobin bell uses for jigsaw is his normal voice. that dosent sound like his voice
Then take into consideration his deteriating health condition it does sound like his voice, the only part i agree with is the fact there could be his accomplices in the building.
I believe that this person is Doctor Gordon. Limping on his right foot that he cut off. Also in the movie, How does Dr. Gordon know that the tall black man with a cut on his throat is Tapp. He never saw Tapp after the interrogation with Amanda. There are numerous events proving Gordon is the new jigsaw. In saw II you see jigsaw doing the eye procedure in the beginning. The original jigsaw doesn't know surgery procedures. He was also limping on his right foot.
In saw III how does the original jigsaw have all the medical equipment. On the back of the wheelchair to hold the nurse in was from the same hospital where Dr. Gordon worked at.
im sure something like that would have been on the news. remember the photos and stuff that they took at the end, and it was the same night that tapp dropped gordon home, im sure the police would have rang him and told him.
did anyone notice that everyone says it the jigsaw killer hates murder ect ect well did anyone ANYONE notice that the real jigsaw killer wouldnt have made the shotgun trap cause all that is intended to do is kill the one thing he hates !!! idk if anyone else noticed it but i just thought of it comment back if u think about it further
thats true but what jigsaw ment by that trap was that singg was ment to stay with tapp and call for medical help. remember how jigsaw said whats more important, catching me or the life of another human being.
thats what it was set for, singg had his chance, so no jigsaw didnt kill singg
thats why the guy i think the guy in the drill chair might be an acomplace. because the drills wouldnt reach him in 20 seconds.
the slogon to saw 6 gives away the accomplise "He helped me" amanda said that in number 1 but she died in number 3 so u gotta look at it this way what kind of people help people?? Doctors help people and why would jigsaw kill doctor gordon if he despises murderers he didnt and its not gordon. i think it is the doctor from number 4 at the morg notice how he looks directly in the kidney or wat ever it is so he had to know it was in there they dont just cut kidneys open for nothing in an autopsy
did you notice how the comments have the same time on them- whcih means i posted them all at once- in succesion- who am i kidding- if your that dense go get a fucking dictionary. do you have any concept of the word time? u see i commented as i was watching it.
I CANT FIND THE PART WHERE JIGSAW IN CLOSET AN SHINES LIGHT ON EYE
apck8 2 months ago
mada je upravu jer ovi su idioti
SuperMIKSHA 4 months ago
ovog kremera sam oduvek mrzeo nekako ,jedini horor negativac koji ide na nerve jigsaw
SuperMIKSHA 4 months ago
wtf?? my comment wont show but i was tring to say that jigsaw was on the ground playing dead the whole time this wanst him
sy9593 8 months ago
JIGSAW!!! WAS ON THE GROUND PLAYING DEAD THE WHOLE TIME!! this guy wasnt him.
sy9593 8 months ago
@sy9593 You forget, that the movie isn't always chronological. It could be that this scene isn't parallel to the scene in the bathroom where jigsaw lies on the floor.
Schnappigatoah 4 months ago
@Schnappigatoah but also jigsaw never kills anyone by himself, he gives them a chance, thats the whole point of his tests but u could be right
sy9593 4 months ago
@sy9593 I have to agree with u. It is very untypical for him to kill someone in a direct way. I just wanted to remind u of the cunfusing use of time in this movies
Schnappigatoah 4 months ago
i would shoot his face until im out of ammo
mrmrmrwatermellon 9 months ago
Jigsaw is not a killer.
ZakuroChan7 10 months ago
jigsaw is altiar. HIdden Blade.
PJLJ47 1 year ago
This is a flashback, in chronical real-time Tapp's story begins when he is watching trough Dr Gordon's window and he saw Zep, the scenes before are just flashbacks to make it fit the storyline.
OnlineDino 1 year ago
since 3D came out...we all know that in this vid THAT IS jigsaw..the one in the videos is dr. gordon
Punkyemoking 1 year ago
SPOILER: When you refer to 'the one who will test Hoffman' do you mean Jill or Dr.Gordon?
AmirNikfekr 1 year ago
Well..."Jigsaw" Name is made by media and cops...And John is not a killer
olenongelma 1 year ago
you can tell hes not the REAL jigsaw killer causenotice how he turns around from a corner...y wud he go there in the first place....well obviously to swap with the accomplace
NYCboii01 1 year ago
that's dr gordon..coz he is cripple.....
TheAzhar24 1 year ago
wow could you imagine how much time and how many lives tapp and sing could have saved if they would have just shot??? i mean thered b no bathroom trap or anything after that lol
SK8ERBOYYY5797 1 year ago
That makes alot of sense. But if it did show him at the end of the movie, then it might be wrong.
The20134ever1 1 year ago
and thats why ezio from assassins creed moved to italy :)
eagames008 1 year ago
lol what he says at 4:48
superkrystian 1 year ago
0:45 you can see him also in Saw:videogame
vadikboss3 1 year ago
Nop he dosen't sound like Jigsaw but neither sounds like Dr. Gordon it sounds like Jigsaw John Kramer having a troke becouse he has canser that could be hoofman becouse he get up like that shoot never happends becouse hes an detective and he had camuflash
marlachadi 1 year ago
Nop he dosen't sound like Jigsaw but neither sounds like Dr. Gordon it sounds like Jigsaw John Kramer having a troke becouse he has canser
marlachadi 1 year ago
stop theorazing about enithing and let the games begings in october 29 2010
marlachadi 1 year ago
People you don't remember when in the autopsy room when it was Perez and Erickson the same doctor was there you now Dr. Hefner was there and hoffman i think say some think about So yo can tell the same nife how cut the jigsaw puzzel of baxter stomich the person how kill Hoffman sister Hoffman say somethink to Dr. Hefner telling hem with a smille god work like telling hem you are next on the game like hes aprentice
marlachadi 1 year ago
so your saying that dr gordon was in that before he cut off his foot
MYSWEETDAR 1 year ago
wasn't at that time tobin bell in the floor of the bathroom?
LoskoolXD 1 year ago
@LoskoolXD na before
RAWsoulja317 1 year ago
@RAWsoulja317 but in saw 2 the Venus fly trap that was Dr. Gordon
garrettjohn2 1 year ago
Have you watched this film all the way through? yes it is the real jigsaw. It proves it at the END of the movie in the flash backs. It shows John Kramer (jigsaws) face when detective tapp tells him to put his hands up. watch the ending carefully and youll see PS thanks for putting it up been trying to find it on youtube.
xoxbramblexox 1 year ago
@xoxbramblexox They showed him with his hands up in that robe but it is still not 100% clear. Detective Tapp should have gotten a look at him in this scene. If not he would have taken the hood off. Tapp's a good detective. After this he still suspected Gordon to be Jigsaw.
The voice sounds like Tobin Bell and Carey Elwes talking together. These guys did this series perfect to create such suspense and mystery. I'm on Pins and needles for Saw 3D to get some questions answered.
troubleshooterg23 1 year ago
5:06 Jill Tuck
MYSWEETDAR 1 year ago
but he speaks dude, its john's voice. u should be more concerned about the gentleman named jeff in the chair. who is he? what did jigsaw want with him?
BYOSProductions 1 year ago
@BYOSProductions its Dr. Gordan..the scene in which Dr. Gordan asks Adam who hired him to take pictures adam says "Idk hes a tall black guy he has a scar around his neck.." Tall black guy is too vague of a description but when Adam says Scar around his neck Gordan realizes its tapt now..how would Gordan know tapt had a scar around his neck unless Gordan was the one who slit his throat?
racrawford16 1 year ago
idk, but that i a good theory. i cant think of any time they had met up and he had the scar. maybe he knew about the incident on the new or something.
BYOSProductions 1 year ago
@racrawford16 I'm not fond of the "Guy in the lair isn't tobin" thing, but that is a damn good point.
thepatient08 1 year ago
@racrawford16 Gordan was taken to the police station and interrogated by Tapp, remember?
Sursion7 1 year ago
@Sursion7 he was interrogated before Tapp's throat was slit
racrawford16 1 year ago
@Sursion7 because Tapp's partner is still alive when Gordan is interrogated
racrawford16 1 year ago
I still don't know what happened to detective tapp lol in this film lol
mikesway23 1 year ago
no the jigsaw that was shot didnt test hoffman jigsaws wife did so the guy that got shot he sounded like a man
codejake101 1 year ago
wow never even noticed that, nice little hidden easter egg, thanks!
RyanXHavok 1 year ago
4:16 look at the right foot
alyssaling 1 year ago
JIGSAW MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!
gjtuypioasdcgj 1 year ago
the chineese looking detective is going to be in saw 7
KofiDeadmanFAN01 1 year ago
@KofiDeadmanFAN01 he died! his head got blown to pieces lol
MrRJ2K10 1 year ago
tapp your a dump ass, you should of wait until he came out of the elavtor and then you guys had him, he would of not have activated that trap or slice your neck. instead they just waited until jigsaw came and activated the trap, tapp got stapped and sing chased jigsaw and got his head blown up, sad ending for sing.
Ali3009ify 1 year ago
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ctet22 1 year ago
Hmmm. The SAW Series really makes you think!
MrRustyCrow 1 year ago
I'll tell it's Zepp.
But, for me, the man on the trap isn't John Kramer.
nyvythefirst 2 years ago
This guy play a small role in SAW the videogame
Maximillian88Deluxe 2 years ago
now this " jigsaw " could have been zepp, remember zepp also had a disease rotting away inside and he also limped
SoapOnARopeProductZ 2 years ago
which foot was he shot in?
krisisgayful 2 years ago
It was either breaking his own rules, and slice the throat. OR, getting arrested.
Which do you think a smart person would choose?
DiCi999 2 years ago
@DiCi999
Breaking His own rules.
MrRustyCrow 1 year ago
the limping part can be explained by this jigsaw is in a wheelchair or in a bed or is only seen in flashbacks before the shot in his leg
miljaardetedju 2 years ago
that was scary as hell
saleem5256 2 years ago
hahaha thats funny jetfire
polarbear9000 2 years ago
that shot gun blow his head off
jetfire5091 2 years ago 5
He does sound like Tobin Bell, just listen carefully. And it's actually revealed at the end of the movie that this was Jigsaw, because in a quick flash we can see the whole thing again, this Jigsaw holding up his arms as he has here, but from a different angle which allows the viewer to see his face. Oh and why would a accomplice say: "I'm sick of the disease eating away at me from inside"? Last but not least, yeah he sliced officer tapp here but not that deep, just enough to cause distraction
leather666face 2 years ago 4
how did he now he wasnt going to cut his throught that deep?
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
I have no idea... but then again, even if he killed Tapp with this, would it be more of a murder then all the other people that died in his traps? After all, yeah all the people in the traps have gotten a chance (though a near impossible chance most of the time) but Tapp had a chance too... the chance to let Jigsaw go and instead focus at freeing that guy...
leather666face 2 years ago
any one can no that and in saw6 jill tuck tested hoffman and that cant be jills voice no matter what
sonicdusk 2 years ago
@RAWsoulja317 hes smart enough to put all this crap together so maybe he might know how to cut somebody without killing them.
Purpledemon624 1 year ago
This video sucks, you see its him, IN THIS MOVIE!
JwayT 2 years ago
nice perspective...and that is true he hates murderers
twiztid15425 2 years ago
assassins creed win at 3:13
crypto6496 2 years ago 2
this is a flashback
happened months before the bathroom with adam and dr gordon
and in the end of Saw show that that guy was john/jigsaw
sushiboi66 2 years ago
The entire video Im shouting Shot him shot him you fucking idiots kill him now
FMA1109 2 years ago 6
i no same
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
@FMA1109 shoot*
LouisNharrison 1 year ago
1. It does not sound like Jigsaw / John Kramer / Tobin Bell
2. This was before yes, but there must be someone else,
I really dont think that, this is Jigsaw
Animename 2 years ago
its a lie jigsaw killed millions
nematoad9 2 years ago
he is not john cause john is in the room with dr gorden and adam
yugiohduelinmaster13 2 years ago
this was before the bathroom game, or how would adam get the job from tapp
remember adam knew he had the scar
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
k good piont i'm acually a kid lol my father lets me wacth horrors/thrillers so i didn't pick that up srry
yugiohduelinmaster13 2 years ago
dw its cool
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
its Tobin, cuz he's talking about his desease. Tobin has cancer
christos1993 2 years ago
no dats not dr.gordon or anyone dats jigsaw it shows at the end of the movie
SAWFANATIC9 2 years ago
is that is true????
Mrsadgirl99 2 years ago
I believe that it is gordon, jeff and Jill
kantarok 2 years ago
yes its him its show's is him at the end of saw 1
safety4252 2 years ago
Its Tobin, dumbass.
Hellblazer311 2 years ago
it was jill in saw 6 not gorden
digidude3000 2 years ago
*SPOILER*
Sorry, but it was Jill who tested Mark Hoffman in Saw 6, and that was the most predictable possibility, I was very disapointed. :(
urukaj 2 years ago
i know butthe way they did it was cool and if they showed the secret accomplace now you dont have any reason to go see the next movie.
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
Hmm, I have been thinking and maybe I was wrong, maybe Jill was suposed to test Hoffman but made it an execution, and that the real test ´will be done by someone else, but who?0.o
urukaj 2 years ago
Dr Gordon is Jigsaw.
linkobert 2 years ago
I reckon the true jigsaw KILLER is actually hoffman - because he was the only one who killed all his victims!
Raxacoricon 2 years ago
which brings me to the idea it is gordon! because right after adam sayd he had a scar across his neck, gordon knew that it was tapp....WHY? how the hell did gordon know that the man adam was describing was tapp?
Timinater94 2 years ago
well they went to the k2k building the same day tapp dropped of gordon, so im sure someone would have called him to tell him what happened, plus you see them taking pictures after singg was shot.
plus it was a jigsaw story, it would have been on the news and in the papers
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
i dont understand why people are so obsessed with working out the plot so fast why cant you just watch the damb film and wait for the story to be explained in future films instead of ruining it for yourself
sweet1j 2 years ago
look everyone ive seen every movie like times. Jill is not an accomplish of any sort remember in saw 6 it shows a seen where its john amanda and jill and john tells him that he'll leave her a way out. well the only way out was to put hoffman through the reverse bear trap and he was suppose to die. SHES NOT THE NEXT JIGSAW.
PaiintballeR38 2 years ago
Neither is Hoffman as he was meant to die, but won anyway.
PIRATESOFTHEC3 2 years ago
"a way out" Think about it. Cops will find Hoffman at the abondoned zoo. He's still alive, he will pin everything on Jill. He will claim Jill abducted him (along w/others), put him through the test an fled the scene. BTW: Costas Manydlor is confirmed for SAW VII
jhall1982 2 years ago
whos that?
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
omg guys jigsaw isnt a person hes just like chucky hes being controlled!!!! with like a remote controll or something
x1l1lr34p3r2 2 years ago
it was hoffman probably
cullen42596 2 years ago
I just had a thought. The shotguns that killed Sign could they have been part of another test? He did have that guy in a trap and after he escapes the chair he would have gone down that hallway. That's my theory.
scottieman2 2 years ago
i think it explains that in the game, i havent played it yet, so i dunno your probably better askin someone else, but you r probably right
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
I moght be. I read that the game explains more then part 6. Which I think stinks.
scottieman2 2 years ago
I have a few theory on this on how there was the photos and all. I saw Saw 6 but don't want to spoil anything.
scottieman2 2 years ago
Wait.. Now that I think of it, Jigsaw was in the bathroom as well with Adam and Dr. Gordon remember? He was laying on the floor.
Who is that!?
MongoBongo95 2 years ago
this happened before the game, otherwise, how would gordon know tapp had his throught slashed, how would adam have taken photos before hand.
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
The guy who got shot isnt limping because of the bullet its dr gordon as you can see he is limping on the right foot...HE CUT OFF HIS RIGHT FOOT
pudding305 2 years ago
this happened before the bathroom game
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
i thought it was after
pudding305 2 years ago
na because during the batroom game is when adam says he had a huge cut on his throught.
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
That is Jigsaw guys, Dr. Gorgon was still in the bathroom with Adam during that movie.
Plus, Jigsaw doesnt kill anyone
MongoBongo95 2 years ago
@MongoBongo95 He kills with timers and a vague hope of escape, thats it.
ShotGreg 2 years ago
well the acomplice that tests hoffman is jill but i dont think she would do it at this point .
omnidroid200 2 years ago
Toberoon has proved dr gorden is alive in saw 2 the man putting the key in michael's eye he is limping on his right foot. where does the hospital equipment come from? he worked for kramer he didnt get help for adam he just ran away and probablt said "nice work john he believes i was trapped too" or maybe just wanted to work for kramer ?? in saw 6 there is no mention of dr gordan making there a chance for another saw movie i look forward to it!!!
waseemabbas786 2 years ago
that person is not jigsaw it is gordon he knows how to get tranquilizers and inject them and that is his voice but hes but hes making it deeper and he can run like that because he got a wooden foot and a brace and stuck them together and wears it and has medical knowlege and supplies jigsaw whith stuff from a hospital and ambulances.
IIIRAZHIII 2 years ago
its not hard to get tranquilizers, there in hunting shops and stuff.
plus this was before gordon cut his foot off, but even so he couldnt run away even with a brace
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
which I meant Jill tests Hoffman
soadpwnsyou 2 years ago
Another thing I have noticed was that he sure could run fast, In the other saw films John is very sick and old that he could barely move.
KATANANINJA 2 years ago
I think that the voice sounds likes Dr Gordon to me. Btw where dose the guy in the drill chair trap gose once been saved?? Could that guy be the some guy that lies down to be dead in the end of Saw where Dr Gordon Cut his right foot off ?? plz reply to answer my questions...
WolfGhost69 2 years ago
jeff is in the saw video game
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
yeah i was little when i saw this, but when i was watching it i was like "don't save him! thats the bad guy"
KJMmovies 2 years ago
i agree it doesnt sound like jigsaws voice much but i compared dr gordons to his and it sounds familiar if gordon was to mask his voice a bit
sawfanjigsaw 2 years ago
good points sir. kudos to you!
TopThrillFilms 2 years ago
Although i greatley agree with u when u say whoever this is... obviously this isnt john... ur also right when u say that john would never try to kill anybody, also i saw one of ur comments below and it makes no sense... Jeff could not be the accomplance he died at the beginning of saw 4... still love ur vids though : )
kcfantic611 2 years ago
or dr gordon...
kcfantic611 2 years ago
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Damnit, I meant to say 3:31 sorry!
booste30 2 years ago
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booste30 2 years ago
Wow, you might actually be right on this hooded guy getting shot on his right foot. Either that, or the stumble on the right foot at 0:31 was a common movie blooper.
booste30 2 years ago
Damn-it, meant to spell accomplices.
booste30 2 years ago
That was a good point-out. Hoffman could've very well supplied the accomplaces with body vests, just in case an encounter with local authorities like this ever did take place. This is of course Jigsaw, for he always plans ahead. =). Such a maniacal genius in every possible sociopathic way.
The most likely explanation I see for this scene is a twin brother of John Kramer, which seems absurd, I know, but it's the only logical outcome I've been able to provide based on my analysis.
booste30 2 years ago
Another problem with this scene is that this Jigsaw intended to kill Detective Tapp by slashing his throat? Anything about that seem a little un-jigsaw like? I seem to think so, as John did say he hadn't killed anybody in his life on Saw 2, definitely leading us to believe that this wasn't in fact John Kramer at all. The same goes for his willingness to kill Jeff just to get away and distract both detectives. All of this doesn't seem to apply to John. His voice is Tobin Bell though. Strange.....
booste30 2 years ago
And where would an old man of his current medical condition get that kind of medical attention from being shot at by a shotgun from that distance in a good amount of time while at the same time on the run from the police, having two eye witnesses left who've seen his face? If this was Gordon or Hefner, then they could've aided themselves in some surgical way. In one of the Saw 1 ending flashbacks, Tobin Bell is shown under the hood during this scene with his hands up. Twin brother, perhaps? lol.
booste30 2 years ago
lol Maybe John Kramer has a psychopathic twin that detests society in the same manner. That's a stretch though, but interesting nontheless =).
Anyway, I'm not sure as to whether or not this hooded assailent was shot at all, or just faking it. When he gets up after Sing is killed, he is walking out the building rather slowly, and grips his side as he is last seen, stumbling out. If it was John, than I guess his illness could possibly explain that. If he was shot, he would need medical attention
booste30 2 years ago
i think its heffner, because hoffman dosent know hefner is an accomplace, because if he did he would have known it was heffner going to test him.
anyway, even though u have a vest on u will still need medical attention, either hoffman went to hospital and risked the p.d finiding out he was shot and get asked how.
or it was heffner or jigsaws twin
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
Whoever it is, they can sure imitate John's voice real well, that is if it isn't John himself at all. Haven't really heard Hefner's voice all that much, but from what I've heard of him talking on Saw 4, he sounds pretty light-voiced. I'm not sure if he could pull of a Jigsaw voice too well.
Either way, this can't be Hoffman, for it sounds nothing like anything he could pull off, and due to the fact that we saw the hooded man's face at the end of Saw 1, which was Tobin Bell. Twin assumptions...
booste30 2 years ago
Holy shit. I was just watching the saw 1 ending, looking at the scene showing John under the hood in the flashback during the ending, and noticed that he's wearing 2 gloves. The guy in this video at 2:31 doesn't have a glove on his right hand, but this is most likely a blooper, for throughout most of the scene we see him wearing a glove on that right hand. lol. Just like 2:53 we see Jigsaw on his knees facing away from the drill chair, but then at 2:57 he's facing the other way, lol.
booste30 2 years ago
It's The guy with the grey hair from saw 1.
Remeber in saw 1 he cut his foot off?
well in saw 2 where the guy had the mask of nails, when he wakes up, a tape plays, and the person who puts the key behind his eye is LIMPING. watch carefully when you watch saw 2. and in saw 3 where lynn and jigsaw are talking lynn says "Dr.Gordon was your doctor." and jigsaw says "And Dr.Gordon was my patient" which mean jigsaw helped him POSSABLY put his foot back on? Think about it. I'm 99.9% sure it's gordon.
bamagrl001 2 years ago
have you watched saw 4 or 5??
soadpwnsyou 2 years ago
no i havent... ive been in a cave on mars with my eyes closed and my fingrs in my ears, of course ive seen them lol
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RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
Dr. Gordon is not going to be an any more Saws.. which means he can't be the killer. It is Jigsaw's ex-wife in the 6th saw, I believe I have heard.
soadpwnsyou 2 years ago
@bamagrl001 Either that or "Helped" him to get out of those addictions he seems so bothered by. =I
ShotGreg 2 years ago
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hmm well jigsaw hates killers... he tested Gordon to c if he could kill adam. he didn't yet he escapes the trap by cutting off his foot. maybe he recruited Gordon and his test showed how he could not kill but he appreciated life. think about that.
MrMusicM67 2 years ago
1- The guy looks nothing like Jigsaw. Besides, Jigsaw's real name was John, not Jeff.
2- There is a slight pitch difference, but I don't think that could determine whether or not it's Tobin. At around 3:00, the man says "sick from the disease eating away at me inside." Obviously, this could be a reference to Jigsaw's cancer.
3 - You have a nice point. However, he didn't appear to have the intention of killing, merely getting Tapp away from him.
4 - That wouldn't make any sense. -c
TaoJenChan 2 years ago
-c
4. For the directors to suddenly thrust an entirely new Jigsaw killer with only this scene to provide as any questionable evidence would be in poor film making, and it's not in Saw's reputation.
5. I wouldn't exactly rule it out just yet. There's not nearly enough information to make that conclusion.
I don't know who it is, but I think there's a distinct possibility that this scene is simply over analyzed.
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Thanks for reading.
TaoJenChan 2 years ago
very good theory, but some of the other comments have points too
we'll have to just wait and see wont we
worshipowa 2 years ago
the guy in the next 4 movies is proboble the docter in the frist movie cuz he cuts of his right foot :P
theguythatsme01 2 years ago
for one that guy doesnt look like jigsaw in the chair, 2 tapp didnt die till the end as we know so..., 3 the reason for his voice sounding different could be that tobin bell was still trying to find the right voice or it may be as simple as the fact that jigsaws cancer hadnt developed enough by that point allowing better speach as that where his gruff voice comes from
CGMPNB 2 years ago
i know tapp didnt die, but when you cut someones throut, it usely means that they will die and have a low chance of survival. plus tapp dosent die in this. he dies in the game after.
plus the voice tobin bell uses for jigsaw is his normal voice. that dosent sound like his voice
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
Then take into consideration his deteriating health condition it does sound like his voice, the only part i agree with is the fact there could be his accomplices in the building.
CGMPNB 2 years ago
I believe that this person is Doctor Gordon. Limping on his right foot that he cut off. Also in the movie, How does Dr. Gordon know that the tall black man with a cut on his throat is Tapp. He never saw Tapp after the interrogation with Amanda. There are numerous events proving Gordon is the new jigsaw. In saw II you see jigsaw doing the eye procedure in the beginning. The original jigsaw doesn't know surgery procedures. He was also limping on his right foot.
Cardinals314 2 years ago
In saw III how does the original jigsaw have all the medical equipment. On the back of the wheelchair to hold the nurse in was from the same hospital where Dr. Gordon worked at.
Cardinals314 2 years ago
its also the same hospital dr hefner works at
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
im sure something like that would have been on the news. remember the photos and stuff that they took at the end, and it was the same night that tapp dropped gordon home, im sure the police would have rang him and told him.
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
did anyone notice that everyone says it the jigsaw killer hates murder ect ect well did anyone ANYONE notice that the real jigsaw killer wouldnt have made the shotgun trap cause all that is intended to do is kill the one thing he hates !!! idk if anyone else noticed it but i just thought of it comment back if u think about it further
MusicMantic 2 years ago
thats true but what jigsaw ment by that trap was that singg was ment to stay with tapp and call for medical help. remember how jigsaw said whats more important, catching me or the life of another human being.
thats what it was set for, singg had his chance, so no jigsaw didnt kill singg
thats why the guy i think the guy in the drill chair might be an acomplace. because the drills wouldnt reach him in 20 seconds.
good point though
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
the black man could die
ovsdud 2 years ago
the slogon to saw 6 gives away the accomplise "He helped me" amanda said that in number 1 but she died in number 3 so u gotta look at it this way what kind of people help people?? Doctors help people and why would jigsaw kill doctor gordon if he despises murderers he didnt and its not gordon. i think it is the doctor from number 4 at the morg notice how he looks directly in the kidney or wat ever it is so he had to know it was in there they dont just cut kidneys open for nothing in an autopsy
toontownrulesmyworld 2 years ago
That IS Jigsaw. Watch the ending of this movie very carefully. In one flashback you can see that it's him.
Gottthhhic 2 years ago
I really dont know what to belive.
I saw another vid saying that the man with the limping leg is gordon but you gave a good example that this man was shot in the leg.
Nor would jigsaw personally kill someone.
I just dont know whats true anymore.
I just gotta see saw 6
Sebatiger 2 years ago
thats the woman that is but shes dead now
steroidsischeating 2 years ago
DR,GORDON IS NOT JIGSAW
AKIDPRODUCTION09 2 years ago
he sounds like tobin bell because tobin is voicing him
CrappSlayer 2 years ago
if this vid is so crap, then why have you come back to comment four times?
yer sorta a fail for crapsucker i mean slayer
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
or maybe if left 4 comments after watching it once becuase it was so bad. thats why they all have the same time on them genius.
CrappSlayer 2 years ago
four seperate comments which means you came back.
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
did you notice how the comments have the same time on them- whcih means i posted them all at once- in succesion- who am i kidding- if your that dense go get a fucking dictionary. do you have any concept of the word time? u see i commented as i was watching it.
CrappSlayer 2 years ago
ok who cares
believe wat u want about saw, keep your mind closed around gordon and gtfo
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
i dont care about godron- dont think hes alive either- but your video offers some realy dum evidence to try and support w/e your theory is.
CrappSlayer 2 years ago
looks nothing like him btw
CrappSlayer 2 years ago
because he looks a little like jiggsaw even though its not the same actor- yea that makes sense- because they look similar he must be jigsaw.... fail
CrappSlayer 2 years ago
" notice how this guy looks a bit like jigsaw"? wow this vid is a fail
CrappSlayer 2 years ago
it made me jump when they pulled the blanket of jigsaw
candybabe80 2 years ago
you contraticted yourself.your mking out that the guy in the chair is jiggy but then you said in the last 4 films its the guy who got shot.
333verdugo333 2 years ago
i know, but i have a few theorys on what will happen in saw, heffner, twin/ jeff because he looks like jigsaw.
maybe there are two accomplaces, no ones thought of that
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