.. And dont get me started on the manipulation of interest rates, which is essentially the governments fault, and caused the housing bubble. And dont get me wrong, this isnt right or left. I am libertarian, and i basically think people have no choice in this country. Whoever you vote for, you get the same. So at the end of the day, its mostly bollocks really. Its just semantics really, we will get the same results under labour/conservative.
Labour growth is not real growth. Its spending borrowed money and then going "look GDP has gone up, isnt that great". Thats not real growth. Its like looking at a business statement, seeing than income has gone up, but so has liabilities. Its only looking at half the coin.
@arthmus01 Before you respond, read economics in one lesson by Hazlitt. It might blow your mind, dispel your misconceptions and cure you ignorance. Maybe...
@badvariance Bullshit freemarket propaganda designed to influence objectivist thinkers. It's typical crap you get from rich people who profited from the hard work of others and doesn't feel they owe anything in return.
@arthmus01 I am rich as fuck, i am self employed and i employ no one. The state has done fuck all for me, I've paid hundreds of thousands in tax and i left the country because i didn't agree with it anymore. I am self educated and am successful because of my upbringing. If successful people like me leave this socialist shithole you will all burn. Instead of trying to milk the people who actually generate wealth and prosperity in this country, perhaps you should be more considerate.
@badvariance We will all burn will we? i thought you've already left the country.
The objectivist's theory is based on narrow minded egotism and defies logic. You think success is an absolute measure, but it's not, it's relative. So no matter how many "successful" people leave more are created.
@arthmus01 Austrian economics has been proven right time and time again, whilst socialist Keynesianism has been proven wrong. The financial meltdown is proof of this. And before you say its the free markets that caused this, we dont have free markets. We have corporatism, its totally different. Look it up.
@badvariance Right, with the exception of all the times its proven wrong time and time again it's always been right. Selective citation, the science of free-market economics.
@arthmus01 Then because that farmer has increased efficiency. He can lower his costs to out compete his competitors, this leads the farmer to producing cheaper goods and services, improving growth and everyone's standards of living. Labor is socialism, wealth distribution and fundamentally slows down economic growth. Feel free not to respond, because i just raped you.
@arthmus01 Say a farmer earns £10, but has to give £4 to the government, then the government uses £2 of that money on essential services and wastes £2 on ineffective projects and inefficiency, then you loose economic growth compared to when the farmer is taxed only £2. The farmer uses his extra £2 to buy better machinery or labor to increase his profits. That then increases his profits from £10 to £15. Cumulatively causing economic growth. Labor spending is what is kills growth. Period.
@badvariance That's ridicules, money isn't knowingly pumped into ineffective projects by the government. And what if the farmer spends his £2 on inefficient machinery, expecting profits of £15 but only returns £13? suddenly he has a £2 shortfall on projected growth and he can't pay off the money he had to borrow to earn the £10 in the first place.
@arthmus01 If the farmer spends it ineffectively he goes bust and out of business. Then the farmers who are the most efficient get the money. The end result is prices are still driven down and people reap a better overall standard of living. You still don't understand opportunity cost.
@badvariance And the bankrupt farmer is driven into poverty while the successful farmer takes an unbalanced share of wealth. Only it's not one farmer getting richer for each one getting poorer, it's hundreds getting poorer for every one that gets rich. So your way is in the best interest of the rich farmer while collectivism is better for society as a whole.
@arthmus01 Maybe we should just employ people to dig ditches, and other people to fill them in. Thats the crux of your economic argument lol. Everyone would be employed, wouldn't it be great!
andrew let the guy finish talking for fuck sake. im not a fan of ed miliband but i want to hear his point but cant because youre trying to counter only half his points and not letting him making his whole point
@matrixrory these fucking beeb twats butting in are quite gaulling, as if they are a tory muppet, trying to keep their creep beeb job. Marr is a twat here, a right tory London living total muppet.
True private sector does create growth, but you have to remember government spending is a major part of aggregate demand. In the recession the private sector couldn't create the growth and jobs to get us out due to the lack of confidence. By spending more labour increased our GDP and got the economy stimulated again. If it was left to the private sector who knows where we would be now. And by making all these job cuts we are faced with a much larger benefits bill and no more output
Incorrect - by cutting public sector employment the cost of borrowing will decrease. This is a common mistake.
Spending by the State does not create the answers, only some 'targetted' spending can help - not just spending on its own, by sacking some local Gov workers you will inevitably improve the balance of payments. It's the truth even if you don't like it, what they 'earn' is the private sector taxed - only some feeds back through so called 'multipliers'
I like his honesty. Cameron is an out and out liar that's a given. Labour have no idea how much they will have in their budget one the Tories screw the country and leave it for dead. So in that instance Milliband can't and won't make promises he can't keep. Fair play to him.
Labour managed to spend more than the country received in even in times of immense prosperity, that is fucking inept. A position when you are overspending in boom times is ultimately going to leave you screwed when the economy worsens, as it has. The Tories are now having to quickly reverse over a decade of Labour overspend.
It is easy to get growth when it is all built on debt, ultimately that growth is getting us further in the shit.
@SuperCUNextTuesday Labour never "overspent" anything. the reason the country was in prosperity is down to investment, and while the Tories bang on about the amount of government borrowing to pay for the public sector, they conveniently ignore the fact that the income generated from it not only paid back the debt but also propped up the countries infrastructure allowing private sector growth that led to the prosperity in the first place.
The country was never in prosperity, hence the fact that deficits were made in pretty much every year. It's like looking at a company that has increasing turnover yet is still making losses but thinks it is doing well. Our debt isn't due to large scale infrastructure, it is due to an inept and overblown public sector sector. I wouldn't mind the debt if we now had amazing trains, roads, schools and hospitals. Unfortunately all we have is the debt.
@SuperCUNextTuesday You can't have growth without investment, and since all profitable public sector industry was sold to the private sector, all investment comes from tax income. And the private sector's sole profit motive means all investment was moved overseas, as well as their exploitation of the taxation system, means the taxable income does not account for the demand for public sector investment. So they need to borrow the money.
You get growth by actually selling things outside of this island. The banking crisis may have accelerated our problems but at least that sector has brought money into the country in the last decade. Until we can re-adress the balance of the economy then growth will be hard to achieve. Just re-cycling money around our retail and service sectors while having a trade deficit isn't going to magically give us growth and a stronger economy.
@SuperCUNextTuesday You create growth by production, it has nothing to do with selling, domestically or otherwise. For example a plot of land is a worthless commodity, assigned value based purely on it's potential. You remove resources from that land that have a greater value than the land itself (ironically by employing people to dig ditches), you create wealth and therefore have growth.
@SuperCUNextTuesday Manufacturing is essentially turning low value resources into higher value products, again creating wealth resulting in growth. A products value is not finite, due to the laws of supply and demand a commodity can have greater value in another country. So growth can be enhanced by selling abroad, but it is not essential to create growth. Banking is a prime example of re-cycling money, it produces nothing and profits solely at a cost to someone else.
@arthmus01 Well the way banking started out, it was a valuable service. It was originally started as a way to protect your money IE better than hiding under your bed. You would pay the bank to actually keep your money safe.The whole thing got messed up when all the money was allowed to be pooled together and used for investment purposes and fractional reserve lending. IMO you should have two types of banking. One where they store your money. Another where you invest it in the bank and they...
@arthmus01 .. lend it out again and as such will give you interest on it, which accounts for the proportion of profits. The whole system is messed up when everything becomes intertwined. And then the banks realise they are too big to fail, so can basically be as reckless as they want. If they fail, they get bailed out. If they dont, they make massive profits. The way the current system is, there is no downside to them being wreckless.
Good stuff. I'd much rather have labour policies than conservatives. Labour made the recession much less harmful than it could have been by spending to increase growth. Now the coalition is cutting too far and too soon. Ed may not be the best leader in the world, but he's much better than conservatives.
Good God - yes, genius have a deficit of over 10% and print 200bn thank God for labour. No wonder that some vote for them, some people just simply don't get it and never will.
It's common knowledge if labour had won the election our credit rating would have been cut increasing bond yields which would have passed on interest rate rises to the wider public.
@samka14 You dont understand where growth comes from. It doesnt come from borrowing more and having public sector projects. Growth has and always will come from private sector. Growth = increased production and GDP. Labor growth isnt real growth, its just growth financed by borrowing that eventually needs to be paid back. IE now we have to pay back all the money we borrowed.
@badvariance That's nonsense. Economic growth does not necessarily come from increased production. When OPEC states cut oil production a few years ago it led to profit for them. Growth requires investment in infrastructure. The building of canals and railways in the 19th and 20th centuries were responsible for the largest economic growth in UK history. And investment in education, the communication network, transport etc. is what allows for growth in the 21st century.
@arthmus01 When oil production decreases, price goes up. Its supply and demand. They didn't make more cumulative profits. Its just that when there was less oil available it became more valuable. Economic growth is caused not by "increased production", it comes from increased efficiency and lower costs. And i agree with you, growth ultimately comes from more educated people, better infrastructure, increased efficiency and lower costs.
@arthmus01 The problem is that i have the fundamental belief that government has got way out of control and has become inefficient. If you only need 10 police to do a job, but you have 20 police actually doing it. That is negative for growth. Sure you may employ more people. But you take that money away from people and business. You have the economic opportunity cost. Government should be smaller and not bigger, because government wont spend money efficiently as private individuals and companies
@badvariance Government is perfectly capable of spending money as efficiently as private companies if responsibility were centralised the way it is in a private company. Unfortunately what we have is central government devolving or outsourcing responsibility to avoid blame, because their motive is simply winning elections not improving society.
@arthmus01 Exactly. They want to win elections and thus will spend inefficiently to get re-elected. Most people are poor, so will vote for handouts. Its like saying Miliband will make as smart business decisions on spending public money as Alan Sugar or Richard Branson would on his business.
@badvariance But government spending isn't about profit, the government doesn't manage profitable industry. All government spending is a burden to the tax payer, whether it's healthcare, policing, education or welfare. It's become about getting as much as you can as cheaply as possible. The OPEC example i gave shows that just because something is financially better for growth, doesn't make it better for society. And making society better should be the governments motive, not profit.
@arthmus01 You dont understand opportunity cost. Any spending that is wasteful halts economic growth in some way. All of the things you accustomed today are a result of economic growth. Once upon a time it took someone a day to make the shirt you are wearing, now its made quickly.
We fundamentally disagree in thinking. I think that if you don't halt growth, there would be absolutely no unemployment and we would be much more prosperous and advanced.
@badvariance You think that economic growth should pay for social issues. And i agree, up to a point. Where are just disagreeing on the size of the state and how much someone should pay. FWIW, i make $200k a year and have left England because i don't believe in paying tax. I live in the Bahamas now. So maybe i'm biased. I believe i have worked hard for my money and i have paid more than what i owe to the state. So i left.
It is time for the Labour voters to start rocking the boat and get rid of all New Labour M.P.`s to be replaced by constituent voted candidates not the parachuted bright eyes approved by the C.I.A.
If it wasn't for benefits cheats, immigrants, middle class lefty idiots and northerners stuck in the 70's Labour would be dead in the water. Labours part of the problem not the solution.
@DanDoesCovers Yeah I am somewhat of a marxist, you are correct with the growing middle class and the selfish consumer lead society we now have I see it as hard for a socialist government to ever get elected. Truly a sad thing.
Yes Ed Miliband but if they Government Changes course he would be criticised for being uncertain and weak with little confidence which will give amo for the Labour party, so of course they will not change course on the economic plan! Listen everyone whatever happens we are all doomed be it if Labour got into power!
Yes Ed but if they Government Cahnges course he would be criticised for beaing uncertain and weak with little confidence which will give amo for the Labour party, so of course they will not change course on the economic plan! Listen everyone whatever happens we are all doomed be it if Labour got into power!
Oh I get it, how ironic!! So Labour will not reverse cuts and they will blame the current Government for the their mess! Using that as an excuse! - Well what a plan Ed! Fucker! Just shows more uncertainty, lack of confidence on our economy and incompitence on monetary matters! You Fail Ed Miliband and you are weak!
Worked out what's wrong with Looz-er Ed's 'look'! It looks like his head's TOO big (physically) for his body! In other words, someone's 'photoshoped' his head onto someone else's body! Now, there's a thought to conjure with! Check out my channel for an 'alternative view' of David Cameron's 2012 New Year's speech! Thank you!
with the mundane point of VAT- wheres the man's imagination?lol.
@10.50-10.53: After excitement dies down post-coital calmness sets in, bathed with relief then disappointment, and finally anticlimax.
@11.02 On reflection a cooler head prevails: alltogether, a poor choice of partner, occassion, time and money spent: feelings of regret, usery of oneself and others, plus self disgust sets in.
@ To top it all , Marr badmouths performance as "not big enough, not radical enough".lol.
Can someone please explain to me why labour are still around 40% in the polls - what is it with some people?? I can understand the benefit class, immigrants and pen pushers, but people with a scintilla of a brain?
Labour, Lib Dem's & Conservative's = Jewish controlled parties, along with banks, media & most multinational companies(look up owners/shareholders/ceo's/party donors etc). They will only maximise immigrant's, debt, political correctness, keep up the war's against the MENA zone as they divide all the Muslim countries and keep them in war's for the benefit of Israel; crime, soft punishments, class divides, elf n safety, censorship, media bias, nhs overstretched etc.. Ill go with UKIP thanks.
1) So if your not cutting, your not reducing the deficit. 2) You discredited Cameron for cutting the police and making the streets "unsafe", then you proceed to say you can save £1 BILLION from the police force!! HYPOCRITE!! Osbourne is making the right calls, give them a chance, this takes time! It makes me laugh that you criticise Osbourne's policy for not being effective a year and a half on, yet you claim you would cut over a longer period of time? Labour contradict themselves everyday!
Labour / Lib Dem / Conservative partys are like fucking dinosaurs so out of touch with the people they need a fucking train to get back..... As for Labour going to win the next general election my advice is not to hold your breath as you will expire ...... The british politics need"s a new party in touch with the people and not europe so my vote will go to UKIP the way forward in British politic"s..... Fuck the Dinosaur party"s that claim to be for the people i want change so UKIP for me......
Remember Joey in Friends and his 'smell the fart acting' method? Look at Ed's face at 0:28' when Ed Balls is mentioned. He visibly shivers, breathing deep on his Shadow Chancellor's flatulence.
13 years in government - and ruined the economy. If anyone in the private sector carried on the way that this crowd did, they'd be fired for gross miscondoct! Ed Milliband has about as much charisma a dose of herpes! Anyone voting for Labour would need their heads examined...
All I ever hear is rhetoric about cuts cut this cut that. How about you create the money you need rather than trying to extract it from the services that need it. If you were building a house and ran out of bricks what would you do? Order more bricks to finish building it or pull bricks from the foundation to build further, the current thinking is to take bricks from the foundation to attempt to finish the building but the result of that logic is collapse.
@badvariance True only if we had no spare capacity in the economy and government overproduced money to become a competitor for goods and services. We have a need for growth and spare capacity (unemployment) and are constantly told there is not enough money and we must extract it from others! Create the money you need to invest in people and create growth. The BOE trys to do this with QE (not inflationary btw) but it is not effectively targeted at the grass roots level.
@forcesnoir OR, like they are doing... Extract it from the services that DON'T need it. Like all these fucking quangos and Human Rights consultants on bumper pay packets. And to ellaborate on your ''house analogy'' - Instead of having two houses to house 5 people, knock one down and build one house that will house ten people.
@MrTech012 I agree with the essence of what you’re saying but I see most cuts as being indiscriminate and across the board and NOT in the targeted manner that you are talking about. As for the expansion on my analogy I assume you’re talking about mergers and increasing efficiency, well in some cases you actually have to accept you need to spend money to reform systems and just asking people to do more with less without a strategy or plan is not reform, its passing the buck.
he's speaking the truth. As far as the comments go the 'great' British public just want to hear lies. This man can do the job, but idiots are just keen to put him down because he isn't good looking, its a shame, it shows how fucking retarded the nation as a whole is, have no general knowledge on politics whatsoever :/
Thats plebs for ya. They see a man like Blair or Cameron with his big grin showboating around and immediately think he's the fucking messiah. It doesn't matter if his policies are shit because he looks so charismatic! Man fuck this country and fuck the mindless drones who think form comes before function
@berkbbx3 milliband, balls and labour are the ONLY reason the UK is in this mess. labour should NEVER be allowed into "power" again. Socialism is dead and yet the mugs still vote for it. Anyone who thinks labour have the answers to anything are the retarded part of the nation. You are the problem not the solution.
Yeah that's it nothing to do with the fact he talks shit or couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. I don't buy this notion charisma is overrated - I'd say it's 'underrated' you need a leader to 'lead' to make tough decisions, to scrap for good deals. This guy hasn't got any policies, he looks like an a level student and has the charisma of a brick. He's frankly useless - you're probably a pin a tail on a donkey labour voter ain't you?
@aerozeppelin2 And your probaly a pin a tail donkey of a Conservative, arent you? He does explain what he wants to do, he explained how if he were in power he'd also had to cut...but he'd cut down bit by bit, not all by once. He also mentioned tuition fee's..he said he'd bring it down to a realistic £6,000 a year. You just plain and simply dont listen to the man. All you retards do is "ooh, he looks like a right ol' tosser, hes probaly shit" He's being realistic and not fake!
You are delusional - his policies would increase borrowing dramatically just over a longer period of time i.e. more austerity for 'longer' and in time higher cuts because interest rates would rise because we'd lose our triple AAA status.
The figures for the first year of these apparent 'savage cuts' are pretty much 90% of what Darling was presenting so the coalition cut 16bn, labour 14bn do the math
Do you really believe 2bn less is going to make a scintilla of difference? Wake up
@aerozeppelin2@aerozeppelin2 How do you know that? Do you have proof? No. Thats the answer. This shitty Conservative Government isnt decreasing the national debt. The debt is still INCREASING. Its increasing at around £6,000 PER SECOND.Unemployment is going up too. The conservative scum is making it worse, what ever theyre trying to do, its not working! Theyre going to leave me in debt! Theyve tripled my fututre tuition fees and have cut my EMA!
Of course the National debt is increasing - hence the reason why the fundamental priority of this Gov is to cut the deficit and eventually eradicate it.
You can't abolish a deficit in one year, this takes time we're actually on track to go under target believe it or not. The only worry is in the longer term where we might exceed target by one year... yes one year much faster than labour would eradicate the structural deficit and hence start paying down the debt.
@aerozeppelin2 we'll see ;), inflation is hopefully set to decrease this, hopefully. Also the BBC posted the unemployment rate. Youth unemployment has gone up to 1 MILLION for the first time. The UK total is 2.68 MILLION. 1 Million unemployed young workers, what a disgrace, and tripling tuition fee's? In a room full of millionaires who got fucking payed to go to uni! My generation will be the first to be worse of than the previous. WHAT A DISGRACE, thank you Thatcher and David.
@badvariance Some people seem to think she was to blame for everything lol, no doubt the same people that worship BLIAR, and that mouth-breather G Brown.
Right - I know you're obviously young I'm not exactly that old myself but I'm sorry you're just drifting into nonsense here. Why have you said 'thank you Thatcher & David'
On the point you have just raised 'tuition fees' do you realise prior to labour coming to power we had a grant system? labour brought in tuition fees, labour brought in 'top up' fees they also massively expanded the number of places meaning the State could never meet the payments especially at a time of crisis.
In answer to your point on unemployment - what do you expect? The economy is going to get worse before it gets better as is the case across the developed World. But that aside the reason we're struggling is because of International crises out of our control which is not just damaging exports but also confidence. When the eurozone sorts itself out things will improve. Surely you don't think it's the job of 'Government' to provide you with a job?
@aerozeppelin2 I was being sarcastic, its hard to measure it on the internet it seems :/ Labour brought them in...they were at around £3,000 per year. Under the Con-DemED coalition, its now at around £9,000 a year. The conservatives along with Mr.LieingScumBackstabberClegg have TRIPLED TUITION FEES. Labour brought in tuition fees, doesnt tuition fees decline the number of undergraduates? Surely the numbers went down when it wasn;t free anymore....I'll be willing to pay 6 grand!
1. No, numbers did not go down because the labour Gov wanted 50% to go which has completely devalued degrees.
2. Do you realise you only pay a tiny amount out of your salary when you earn over 21k? You don't pay 6k as you suggest. If you're poor you will get a grant as well, which has actually increased.
You're listening to too much left wing propaganda - you need to look at the detail
@aerozeppelin2 I do, and i know that paying 6 grand a year and getting £30 a week through EMA is better than getting no EMA and paying 9 grand a year. 9 is more than 6, and £30 a week is better than nothing. You need to know...simple facts basicly :D
Basically you want a hand out? Why don't you get a part time job that will help bolster your CV for the future? BTW the 6k policy (which sees tuition fees double) is not set in stone as admitted by labour - you watch them say we can't reverse the changes.
I agree, I didn't get any handouts when I was doing my A-Levels. I actually had a part time job earning me up to £100 a week and it didn't affect my ability to study one bit.
The fact is that people who don't have the intelligence or dedication needed have been choosing university over the last decade as an easy three years. Too many people graduate with worthless degrees that then go on to do basic jobs, all at a cost to the tax payer and the value of degrees.
@SuperCUNextTuesday So you're saying you were doing a 30 hour a week job on top of your A Levels? bullshit, and if you were i doubt very much it wouldn't affect your education. Finishing college at 4 then doing 4-5 hours a day in a job, then 2 hours of coursework. Besides that there simply isn't enough jobs for students who can only work evening or weekends.
Given that I was on £4 - £5 an hour plus double time on Sundays it meant I only needed to do 15-20 hours a week. I did a similar thing through a degree at a top 10 university. I knew so many students that had only 10-15 hours of lectures a week but were "too busy" to work.
@aerozeppelin2 You call it a "hand out" I call it EMA. The fact that those bastards who cut it went to university for FREE and ontop of it got a grant for FREE, they literally got payed to have an education, I dont see why I should pay. Double for me is better than triple, idiot, and Ed clearly said he would lower tuition fees to 6K
@aerozeppelin2 You can't "devalue" a degree simply by giving out more of them. the more people go to university the more valuable a degree is, since it is now seen as an essential requirement for any kind of professional career. On top of that, the wider the radius of potential graduates the more likely you are to reach the best and brightest people in society.
Did anyone else find Miliband's blinking hypnotizing? Literally couldn't focus on what he was saying when I watched this on TV this morning. Maybe it's a ploy???
He must have spent a long time in front of the mirror to learn to mimic Blair's mannerisms so convincingly. Right down to the movement of the muscles around his mouth. Plus he has that strange Blair tick of substituting the letter 'i' with 'u' as in 'Defisut' instead of 'Deficit' and 'Politucs' instead of 'Politics'. He is a strange and disturbing man.
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The electorate will NOT vote for this guy into office EVER.......I have always voted Labour but he will never get my vote........He has less chance than Michael Foot, and what a disaster that was.........PLEASE Labour hierarchy tell him in a nice way to FIND ANOTHER CAREER.........Come back David..............PLEASE.
Miliband - or is it MiliBLAND -a totally unelectable bullshitting idiot who finds it impossible to answer any questions put to him.... Just another career politician
Labour's 21st Century version of Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock - steering the Labour Party into political oblivion. Question - What did David Cameron ask Father Christmas for ?
Answer - David Milband to contiinue as Labour Party leader.
Could you trust this fool with your shopping list, never mind vote for him ?
He's a total moron, constantly and completely out of depth in his current role. However he needs to be kept as Labour leader for as long as possible. His ineptitude will ensure Labour will lose voters in their droves and keep them out of power for years. And make me very happy indeed.
He seems more intelligent then the candidates we're used to but he simply won't be elected because most people care more about charisma rather then actual policy. That's the reason Cameron was sworn in.
Then there's the fact that New Labour have become indistinguishable from the Tories and Ed doesn't seem to be doing anything to reverse that.
I agree. Its funny how the plebs of our country mistake charisma for competence. Cameron showboated his way in just like Blair did. Fucking disgraceful that elections are decided on this. No wonder our country is fucked. While Miliband is a fucking terrible pr man, he at least knows what he's talking about. What he really needs to do is pull his party away from New Labor so people can really see what the left wing is really about
Yeah no. New Labor was not responsible for the entire recession. Blair wasn't he only one who spent to excess. Thatcher and John Major did as well. Why? Because Thatcher's deregulation caused a boom in the economy and gave us room to spend. However, this financial deregulation was the key cause of the recession. Overspending has nothing to do with the cause of the recession
@englishhacksaw Haha ridiculous.labour came into power in 97 the recession hit in 2008. so to pin blame on the tory years is ludicrous. Yes spending was not the cause of the recession but it did mean it was harder for us to weather.
@farmerandrews As I said, Nigel Lawson under Thatcher was the one who deregulated the financial markets, following Raegan in America. This financial deregulation was what caused this credit bubble that eventually burst, creating the recession. Yes, New Labor should have adressed this issue but like Thatcher and John Major, they ignored it. And honestly, even if they did do something to stop it, we were screwed anyway because America and the rest of the world were ignoring it too.
The way he seats himself, it looks obvious he is a thinking man, and thankfully for the common average man, who cares for our lessers. Tory's, could yopu please puss orf out of history, don't you know. you total bunch of numbnuts. Cameron? suck my stump you pathetic London living wealthy no doubt tax dodger that by some flike is our present PM. Tory party is made up of a load of tax dodgers, let alone mentioning their old monatary backer Lord Ashton, the capitalist sponging cunt he is.
@yippitydodah Haha you mean like the ex labour pm Tony Blair who has only paid 300,000 tax on 12million. Like Mandleson who said he didnt mindy people 'getting filthy rich' and has brought a 8million pound house in london. At least the tories are not hyprocritical champagne socialists.
@farmerandrews Tony Blair Highjacked the Labour Party for his own ends'..Period..He was a true blue Tory'..Just like his parents'..Who belatedly joined New Labour when Blair took over.But what other choice had the people got in 1997?..Vote libDem?..Lopk who they teamed up with eh?.If it were not that the fact that John Smith died unexpectedly'..We might have been in power anyway.So what choice had we got?..Answer...None'..We had to save our NHS somehow'..What about now eh?
@farmerandrews piss off tory, stop spreading misinformation. Check his personal accounts not his companies. Are you affraid that all this money that he is supposedly is being used to battle you numbnut south eastern england torys, I am all for it it. Tax dodge away labour man I say, if you can't beat them, join what they do underhand in brit life.
@farmerandrews it is sad what has happened to any sort of farming in the south-east of England - nothing seems to happen there anymore. All I see is yellow rapeseed fields in the summer, with hops and fruit farming more or less diappeared. And as for livestock, only in petting farms!
Dorset/Devon/Somerset/Cornwall keep working farms, as in West Wales here. You know your in a healthy farming area when the nose sense's it in early spring when the muck spreader comes out.
god bless the black economy,i make thousands.
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SuperJamesfletcher 3 weeks ago
.. And dont get me started on the manipulation of interest rates, which is essentially the governments fault, and caused the housing bubble. And dont get me wrong, this isnt right or left. I am libertarian, and i basically think people have no choice in this country. Whoever you vote for, you get the same. So at the end of the day, its mostly bollocks really. Its just semantics really, we will get the same results under labour/conservative.
badvariance 3 weeks ago
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badvariance 4 weeks ago
Labour growth is not real growth. Its spending borrowed money and then going "look GDP has gone up, isnt that great". Thats not real growth. Its like looking at a business statement, seeing than income has gone up, but so has liabilities. Its only looking at half the coin.
badvariance 4 weeks ago
@arthmus01 Before you respond, read economics in one lesson by Hazlitt. It might blow your mind, dispel your misconceptions and cure you ignorance. Maybe...
badvariance 1 month ago
@badvariance Bullshit freemarket propaganda designed to influence objectivist thinkers. It's typical crap you get from rich people who profited from the hard work of others and doesn't feel they owe anything in return.
arthmus01 1 month ago
@arthmus01 I am rich as fuck, i am self employed and i employ no one. The state has done fuck all for me, I've paid hundreds of thousands in tax and i left the country because i didn't agree with it anymore. I am self educated and am successful because of my upbringing. If successful people like me leave this socialist shithole you will all burn. Instead of trying to milk the people who actually generate wealth and prosperity in this country, perhaps you should be more considerate.
badvariance 1 month ago
@badvariance We will all burn will we? i thought you've already left the country.
The objectivist's theory is based on narrow minded egotism and defies logic. You think success is an absolute measure, but it's not, it's relative. So no matter how many "successful" people leave more are created.
arthmus01 1 month ago
@arthmus01 Austrian economics has been proven right time and time again, whilst socialist Keynesianism has been proven wrong. The financial meltdown is proof of this. And before you say its the free markets that caused this, we dont have free markets. We have corporatism, its totally different. Look it up.
badvariance 1 month ago
@badvariance Right, with the exception of all the times its proven wrong time and time again it's always been right. Selective citation, the science of free-market economics.
arthmus01 1 month ago
@arthmus01 /watch?v=npJ0CUT8d_Y
badvariance 4 weeks ago
@arthmus01 watch?v=vXkHdB_61bQ
badvariance 4 weeks ago
@arthmus01 Then because that farmer has increased efficiency. He can lower his costs to out compete his competitors, this leads the farmer to producing cheaper goods and services, improving growth and everyone's standards of living. Labor is socialism, wealth distribution and fundamentally slows down economic growth. Feel free not to respond, because i just raped you.
badvariance 1 month ago
@arthmus01 Say a farmer earns £10, but has to give £4 to the government, then the government uses £2 of that money on essential services and wastes £2 on ineffective projects and inefficiency, then you loose economic growth compared to when the farmer is taxed only £2. The farmer uses his extra £2 to buy better machinery or labor to increase his profits. That then increases his profits from £10 to £15. Cumulatively causing economic growth. Labor spending is what is kills growth. Period.
badvariance 1 month ago
@badvariance That's ridicules, money isn't knowingly pumped into ineffective projects by the government. And what if the farmer spends his £2 on inefficient machinery, expecting profits of £15 but only returns £13? suddenly he has a £2 shortfall on projected growth and he can't pay off the money he had to borrow to earn the £10 in the first place.
arthmus01 1 month ago
@arthmus01 If the farmer spends it ineffectively he goes bust and out of business. Then the farmers who are the most efficient get the money. The end result is prices are still driven down and people reap a better overall standard of living. You still don't understand opportunity cost.
badvariance 1 month ago
@badvariance And the bankrupt farmer is driven into poverty while the successful farmer takes an unbalanced share of wealth. Only it's not one farmer getting richer for each one getting poorer, it's hundreds getting poorer for every one that gets rich. So your way is in the best interest of the rich farmer while collectivism is better for society as a whole.
arthmus01 1 month ago
@arthmus01 Maybe we should just employ people to dig ditches, and other people to fill them in. Thats the crux of your economic argument lol. Everyone would be employed, wouldn't it be great!
badvariance 4 weeks ago
JUDEN!
NottinghamForest22 1 month ago
andrew let the guy finish talking for fuck sake. im not a fan of ed miliband but i want to hear his point but cant because youre trying to counter only half his points and not letting him making his whole point
matrixrory 1 month ago
@matrixrory these fucking beeb twats butting in are quite gaulling, as if they are a tory muppet, trying to keep their creep beeb job. Marr is a twat here, a right tory London living total muppet.
yippitydodah 1 month ago
@badvariance
True private sector does create growth, but you have to remember government spending is a major part of aggregate demand. In the recession the private sector couldn't create the growth and jobs to get us out due to the lack of confidence. By spending more labour increased our GDP and got the economy stimulated again. If it was left to the private sector who knows where we would be now. And by making all these job cuts we are faced with a much larger benefits bill and no more output
samka14 1 month ago
@samka14
Incorrect - by cutting public sector employment the cost of borrowing will decrease. This is a common mistake.
Spending by the State does not create the answers, only some 'targetted' spending can help - not just spending on its own, by sacking some local Gov workers you will inevitably improve the balance of payments. It's the truth even if you don't like it, what they 'earn' is the private sector taxed - only some feeds back through so called 'multipliers'
aerozeppelin2 1 month ago
Hes only worried about Police losing jobs..hnn.."I predict a riot " anyone?
As Leveson Enquiry told Ian Hislop " we need a policeman on every corner".
WarsBankersEscorts 1 month ago
He has jizz at the back of his throat^^
TheLouisCL 1 month ago
I liked the part about 'bankers bonus tax'.
Nixillustrations 1 month ago
I like his honesty. Cameron is an out and out liar that's a given. Labour have no idea how much they will have in their budget one the Tories screw the country and leave it for dead. So in that instance Milliband can't and won't make promises he can't keep. Fair play to him.
fats1612 1 month ago
@fats1612 I like his honesty?.........Tell that to his brother.
movement26 1 month ago
@fats1612
Tories screw the country?
Labour managed to spend more than the country received in even in times of immense prosperity, that is fucking inept. A position when you are overspending in boom times is ultimately going to leave you screwed when the economy worsens, as it has. The Tories are now having to quickly reverse over a decade of Labour overspend.
It is easy to get growth when it is all built on debt, ultimately that growth is getting us further in the shit.
SuperCUNextTuesday 1 month ago
@SuperCUNextTuesday Labour never "overspent" anything. the reason the country was in prosperity is down to investment, and while the Tories bang on about the amount of government borrowing to pay for the public sector, they conveniently ignore the fact that the income generated from it not only paid back the debt but also propped up the countries infrastructure allowing private sector growth that led to the prosperity in the first place.
arthmus01 1 month ago
@arthmus01
The country was never in prosperity, hence the fact that deficits were made in pretty much every year. It's like looking at a company that has increasing turnover yet is still making losses but thinks it is doing well. Our debt isn't due to large scale infrastructure, it is due to an inept and overblown public sector sector. I wouldn't mind the debt if we now had amazing trains, roads, schools and hospitals. Unfortunately all we have is the debt.
SuperCUNextTuesday 1 month ago
@SuperCUNextTuesday Yep in short, its malinvestment and socialism getting involved in capitalism.
badvariance 4 weeks ago
@SuperCUNextTuesday You can't have growth without investment, and since all profitable public sector industry was sold to the private sector, all investment comes from tax income. And the private sector's sole profit motive means all investment was moved overseas, as well as their exploitation of the taxation system, means the taxable income does not account for the demand for public sector investment. So they need to borrow the money.
arthmus01 1 month ago
@arthmus01
You get growth by actually selling things outside of this island. The banking crisis may have accelerated our problems but at least that sector has brought money into the country in the last decade. Until we can re-adress the balance of the economy then growth will be hard to achieve. Just re-cycling money around our retail and service sectors while having a trade deficit isn't going to magically give us growth and a stronger economy.
SuperCUNextTuesday 1 month ago
@SuperCUNextTuesday You create growth by production, it has nothing to do with selling, domestically or otherwise. For example a plot of land is a worthless commodity, assigned value based purely on it's potential. You remove resources from that land that have a greater value than the land itself (ironically by employing people to dig ditches), you create wealth and therefore have growth.
arthmus01 3 weeks ago
@SuperCUNextTuesday Manufacturing is essentially turning low value resources into higher value products, again creating wealth resulting in growth. A products value is not finite, due to the laws of supply and demand a commodity can have greater value in another country. So growth can be enhanced by selling abroad, but it is not essential to create growth. Banking is a prime example of re-cycling money, it produces nothing and profits solely at a cost to someone else.
arthmus01 3 weeks ago
@arthmus01 Well the way banking started out, it was a valuable service. It was originally started as a way to protect your money IE better than hiding under your bed. You would pay the bank to actually keep your money safe.The whole thing got messed up when all the money was allowed to be pooled together and used for investment purposes and fractional reserve lending. IMO you should have two types of banking. One where they store your money. Another where you invest it in the bank and they...
badvariance 3 weeks ago
@arthmus01 .. lend it out again and as such will give you interest on it, which accounts for the proportion of profits. The whole system is messed up when everything becomes intertwined. And then the banks realise they are too big to fail, so can basically be as reckless as they want. If they fail, they get bailed out. If they dont, they make massive profits. The way the current system is, there is no downside to them being wreckless.
badvariance 3 weeks ago
Where all still waiting for the relaunch!
SuperJamesfletcher 1 month ago
Ohh I love the way he speaks sexy mmm
TheMm440 1 month ago
God, labour or conservative, this same shit will never end
StoneBoneAndFire 1 month ago 2
looks like a character from Wallace and Gromit
ciaran1123 1 month ago
Good stuff. I'd much rather have labour policies than conservatives. Labour made the recession much less harmful than it could have been by spending to increase growth. Now the coalition is cutting too far and too soon. Ed may not be the best leader in the world, but he's much better than conservatives.
samka14 1 month ago
@samka14
Good God - yes, genius have a deficit of over 10% and print 200bn thank God for labour. No wonder that some vote for them, some people just simply don't get it and never will.
It's common knowledge if labour had won the election our credit rating would have been cut increasing bond yields which would have passed on interest rate rises to the wider public.
Oh what's the point - tory cuts...........
aerozeppelin2 1 month ago
@samka14 You dont understand where growth comes from. It doesnt come from borrowing more and having public sector projects. Growth has and always will come from private sector. Growth = increased production and GDP. Labor growth isnt real growth, its just growth financed by borrowing that eventually needs to be paid back. IE now we have to pay back all the money we borrowed.
badvariance 1 month ago
@badvariance That's nonsense. Economic growth does not necessarily come from increased production. When OPEC states cut oil production a few years ago it led to profit for them. Growth requires investment in infrastructure. The building of canals and railways in the 19th and 20th centuries were responsible for the largest economic growth in UK history. And investment in education, the communication network, transport etc. is what allows for growth in the 21st century.
arthmus01 1 month ago
@arthmus01 When oil production decreases, price goes up. Its supply and demand. They didn't make more cumulative profits. Its just that when there was less oil available it became more valuable. Economic growth is caused not by "increased production", it comes from increased efficiency and lower costs. And i agree with you, growth ultimately comes from more educated people, better infrastructure, increased efficiency and lower costs.
badvariance 1 month ago
@arthmus01 The problem is that i have the fundamental belief that government has got way out of control and has become inefficient. If you only need 10 police to do a job, but you have 20 police actually doing it. That is negative for growth. Sure you may employ more people. But you take that money away from people and business. You have the economic opportunity cost. Government should be smaller and not bigger, because government wont spend money efficiently as private individuals and companies
badvariance 1 month ago
@badvariance Government is perfectly capable of spending money as efficiently as private companies if responsibility were centralised the way it is in a private company. Unfortunately what we have is central government devolving or outsourcing responsibility to avoid blame, because their motive is simply winning elections not improving society.
arthmus01 1 month ago
@arthmus01 Exactly. They want to win elections and thus will spend inefficiently to get re-elected. Most people are poor, so will vote for handouts. Its like saying Miliband will make as smart business decisions on spending public money as Alan Sugar or Richard Branson would on his business.
badvariance 1 month ago
@badvariance But government spending isn't about profit, the government doesn't manage profitable industry. All government spending is a burden to the tax payer, whether it's healthcare, policing, education or welfare. It's become about getting as much as you can as cheaply as possible. The OPEC example i gave shows that just because something is financially better for growth, doesn't make it better for society. And making society better should be the governments motive, not profit.
arthmus01 1 month ago
@arthmus01 You dont understand opportunity cost. Any spending that is wasteful halts economic growth in some way. All of the things you accustomed today are a result of economic growth. Once upon a time it took someone a day to make the shirt you are wearing, now its made quickly.
We fundamentally disagree in thinking. I think that if you don't halt growth, there would be absolutely no unemployment and we would be much more prosperous and advanced.
badvariance 1 month ago
@badvariance You think that economic growth should pay for social issues. And i agree, up to a point. Where are just disagreeing on the size of the state and how much someone should pay. FWIW, i make $200k a year and have left England because i don't believe in paying tax. I live in the Bahamas now. So maybe i'm biased. I believe i have worked hard for my money and i have paid more than what i owe to the state. So i left.
badvariance 1 month ago
Two stupid wankers
mobeen1982 1 month ago
More Cheese Gromit!!!!!
BADMANBUTTERS 1 month ago
They wouldn't need to make so many cuts if they didn't send so much of our taxes to Scotland...
oakyannas 1 month ago
It is time for the Labour voters to start rocking the boat and get rid of all New Labour M.P.`s to be replaced by constituent voted candidates not the parachuted bright eyes approved by the C.I.A.
kitwann11 1 month ago
Why does a fish look like a fish. Cause it's a fish
Why does Milliband look like a knob
Nuff said
1Boringoldgit 1 month ago
If it wasn't for benefits cheats, immigrants, middle class lefty idiots and northerners stuck in the 70's Labour would be dead in the water. Labours part of the problem not the solution.
Hbirdman1994 1 month ago
@DanDoesCovers Yeah I am somewhat of a marxist, you are correct with the growing middle class and the selfish consumer lead society we now have I see it as hard for a socialist government to ever get elected. Truly a sad thing.
MattDranee 1 month ago
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Yes Ed Miliband but if they Government Changes course he would be criticised for being uncertain and weak with little confidence which will give amo for the Labour party, so of course they will not change course on the economic plan! Listen everyone whatever happens we are all doomed be it if Labour got into power!
Supersmooth007 1 month ago
Yes Ed but if they Government Cahnges course he would be criticised for beaing uncertain and weak with little confidence which will give amo for the Labour party, so of course they will not change course on the economic plan! Listen everyone whatever happens we are all doomed be it if Labour got into power!
Supersmooth007 1 month ago
Oh I get it, how ironic!! So Labour will not reverse cuts and they will blame the current Government for the their mess! Using that as an excuse! - Well what a plan Ed! Fucker! Just shows more uncertainty, lack of confidence on our economy and incompitence on monetary matters! You Fail Ed Miliband and you are weak!
Supersmooth007 1 month ago
I dont think he knows what hes talking about.
SuperJamesfletcher 1 month ago
Worked out what's wrong with Looz-er Ed's 'look'! It looks like his head's TOO big (physically) for his body! In other words, someone's 'photoshoped' his head onto someone else's body! Now, there's a thought to conjure with! Check out my channel for an 'alternative view' of David Cameron's 2012 New Year's speech! Thank you!
cameronsfollys 1 month ago
@10.16 : The smirk reveals the anticipation of sadistic pleasure coming up..eyes roll & rogueish expression builds on face.
@10.20: hacked copy re 1930s germany just enters the hole.
@10.21 : Ecstacy has arrived.
@10.24-10.32 : Vigourous action.. in-out. .in-out..
@10.34: Funny facial expressions & tony blair baby-talk.
@10.40: Pure relief: Copy has been safely deposited.
@10.47: Andrew Marr spoils the moment with a split condom & forgets to light up cigarette for pair of them; He persists
WarsBankersEscorts 1 month ago
with the mundane point of VAT- wheres the man's imagination?lol.
@10.50-10.53: After excitement dies down post-coital calmness sets in, bathed with relief then disappointment, and finally anticlimax.
@11.02 On reflection a cooler head prevails: alltogether, a poor choice of partner, occassion, time and money spent: feelings of regret, usery of oneself and others, plus self disgust sets in.
@ To top it all , Marr badmouths performance as "not big enough, not radical enough".lol.
WarsBankersEscorts 1 month ago
"These 1930s story one night stands aint what they cracked up to be!" laments Miliband.
WarsBankersEscorts 1 month ago
lol hes full of complete shit, if he did get in power he wouldnt change fuck all
TheRascal5678 1 month ago
@TheRascal5678
Oh he would, we'd be fucked
aerozeppelin2 1 month ago
Can someone please explain to me why labour are still around 40% in the polls - what is it with some people?? I can understand the benefit class, immigrants and pen pushers, but people with a scintilla of a brain?
aerozeppelin2 1 month ago
Labour, Lib Dem's & Conservative's = Jewish controlled parties, along with banks, media & most multinational companies(look up owners/shareholders/ceo's/party donors etc). They will only maximise immigrant's, debt, political correctness, keep up the war's against the MENA zone as they divide all the Muslim countries and keep them in war's for the benefit of Israel; crime, soft punishments, class divides, elf n safety, censorship, media bias, nhs overstretched etc.. Ill go with UKIP thanks.
8326nick 1 month ago
I wouldn't vote for a geeky mong like him, besides I think Labour would go too far and too fast on mass immigration again.
TheTVLicence 1 month ago
1) So if your not cutting, your not reducing the deficit. 2) You discredited Cameron for cutting the police and making the streets "unsafe", then you proceed to say you can save £1 BILLION from the police force!! HYPOCRITE!! Osbourne is making the right calls, give them a chance, this takes time! It makes me laugh that you criticise Osbourne's policy for not being effective a year and a half on, yet you claim you would cut over a longer period of time? Labour contradict themselves everyday!
crimsonflame242 1 month ago
at least with him there we are even safer from Labour being elected
LeamingtonSteve 1 month ago
Why wold someone have written 'Milipaed' on another YouTube page?
Bang out of order
LeamingtonSteve 1 month ago
@LeamingtonSteve because he's a racist idiot, who leads a racist party, who have known racist members like daine abbott and Shereef Abdallah.
Whitelord100 1 month ago
and i am a pacifist
CANNIBoy 1 month ago
every time i see him- i want to hit him
CANNIBoy 1 month ago
British politics needs a Ron Paul.
badvariance 1 month ago
Labour / Lib Dem / Conservative partys are like fucking dinosaurs so out of touch with the people they need a fucking train to get back..... As for Labour going to win the next general election my advice is not to hold your breath as you will expire ...... The british politics need"s a new party in touch with the people and not europe so my vote will go to UKIP the way forward in British politic"s..... Fuck the Dinosaur party"s that claim to be for the people i want change so UKIP for me......
SuperSandman14 1 month ago
Remember Joey in Friends and his 'smell the fart acting' method? Look at Ed's face at 0:28' when Ed Balls is mentioned. He visibly shivers, breathing deep on his Shadow Chancellor's flatulence.
EdMcF1 1 month ago
13 years in government - and ruined the economy. If anyone in the private sector carried on the way that this crowd did, they'd be fired for gross miscondoct! Ed Milliband has about as much charisma a dose of herpes! Anyone voting for Labour would need their heads examined...
stuartmcloughlin 1 month ago
@stuartmcloughlin Who do you suggest we vote for.
kitwann11 1 month ago
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forcesnoir 1 month ago
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....... Twat face Milliband. Love to smash a wet fish in his face.
MrTech012 1 month ago
All I ever hear is rhetoric about cuts cut this cut that. How about you create the money you need rather than trying to extract it from the services that need it. If you were building a house and ran out of bricks what would you do? Order more bricks to finish building it or pull bricks from the foundation to build further, the current thinking is to take bricks from the foundation to attempt to finish the building but the result of that logic is collapse.
forcesnoir 1 month ago
@forcesnoir If you print money, prices go up, it doesnt make people more wealthy it just causes inflation.
badvariance 1 month ago
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@badvariance True only if we had no spare capacity in the economy and government overproduced money to become a competitor for goods and services. We have a need for growth and spare capacity (unemployment) and are constantly told there is not enough money and we must extract it from others! Create the money you need to invest in people and create growth. The BOE trys to do this with QE (not inflationary btw) but it is not effectively targeted at the grass roots level.
forcesnoir 1 month ago
@forcesnoir OR, like they are doing... Extract it from the services that DON'T need it. Like all these fucking quangos and Human Rights consultants on bumper pay packets. And to ellaborate on your ''house analogy'' - Instead of having two houses to house 5 people, knock one down and build one house that will house ten people.
MrTech012 1 month ago
@MrTech012 I agree with the essence of what you’re saying but I see most cuts as being indiscriminate and across the board and NOT in the targeted manner that you are talking about. As for the expansion on my analogy I assume you’re talking about mergers and increasing efficiency, well in some cases you actually have to accept you need to spend money to reform systems and just asking people to do more with less without a strategy or plan is not reform, its passing the buck.
forcesnoir 1 month ago
Sorry, I fell asleep after 5 minutes, good grief the poor guy has the charisma of an oven glove.
feellingfloydian 1 month ago
he's speaking the truth. As far as the comments go the 'great' British public just want to hear lies. This man can do the job, but idiots are just keen to put him down because he isn't good looking, its a shame, it shows how fucking retarded the nation as a whole is, have no general knowledge on politics whatsoever :/
berkbbx3 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@berkbbx3
Thats plebs for ya. They see a man like Blair or Cameron with his big grin showboating around and immediately think he's the fucking messiah. It doesn't matter if his policies are shit because he looks so charismatic! Man fuck this country and fuck the mindless drones who think form comes before function
englishhacksaw 1 month ago 8
@berkbbx3 milliband, balls and labour are the ONLY reason the UK is in this mess. labour should NEVER be allowed into "power" again. Socialism is dead and yet the mugs still vote for it. Anyone who thinks labour have the answers to anything are the retarded part of the nation. You are the problem not the solution.
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@berkbbx3
Yeah that's it nothing to do with the fact he talks shit or couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. I don't buy this notion charisma is overrated - I'd say it's 'underrated' you need a leader to 'lead' to make tough decisions, to scrap for good deals. This guy hasn't got any policies, he looks like an a level student and has the charisma of a brick. He's frankly useless - you're probably a pin a tail on a donkey labour voter ain't you?
aerozeppelin2 1 month ago
@aerozeppelin2 And your probaly a pin a tail donkey of a Conservative, arent you? He does explain what he wants to do, he explained how if he were in power he'd also had to cut...but he'd cut down bit by bit, not all by once. He also mentioned tuition fee's..he said he'd bring it down to a realistic £6,000 a year. You just plain and simply dont listen to the man. All you retards do is "ooh, he looks like a right ol' tosser, hes probaly shit" He's being realistic and not fake!
berkbbx3 1 month ago
@berkbbx3
You are delusional - his policies would increase borrowing dramatically just over a longer period of time i.e. more austerity for 'longer' and in time higher cuts because interest rates would rise because we'd lose our triple AAA status.
The figures for the first year of these apparent 'savage cuts' are pretty much 90% of what Darling was presenting so the coalition cut 16bn, labour 14bn do the math
Do you really believe 2bn less is going to make a scintilla of difference? Wake up
aerozeppelin2 1 month ago
@aerozeppelin2 @aerozeppelin2 How do you know that? Do you have proof? No. Thats the answer. This shitty Conservative Government isnt decreasing the national debt. The debt is still INCREASING. Its increasing at around £6,000 PER SECOND.Unemployment is going up too. The conservative scum is making it worse, what ever theyre trying to do, its not working! Theyre going to leave me in debt! Theyve tripled my fututre tuition fees and have cut my EMA!
berkbbx3 1 month ago
@berkbbx3
Of course the National debt is increasing - hence the reason why the fundamental priority of this Gov is to cut the deficit and eventually eradicate it.
You can't abolish a deficit in one year, this takes time we're actually on track to go under target believe it or not. The only worry is in the longer term where we might exceed target by one year... yes one year much faster than labour would eradicate the structural deficit and hence start paying down the debt.
aerozeppelin2 1 month ago
@aerozeppelin2
EMA - talk about a vote buying policy, when I did my A levels I worked part time.
aerozeppelin2 1 month ago
@aerozeppelin2 we'll see ;), inflation is hopefully set to decrease this, hopefully. Also the BBC posted the unemployment rate. Youth unemployment has gone up to 1 MILLION for the first time. The UK total is 2.68 MILLION. 1 Million unemployed young workers, what a disgrace, and tripling tuition fee's? In a room full of millionaires who got fucking payed to go to uni! My generation will be the first to be worse of than the previous. WHAT A DISGRACE, thank you Thatcher and David.
berkbbx3 1 month ago
@berkbbx3 you do realize its because labor spend all the money. Its got nothing to do with Thatcher and Cameron.
badvariance 1 month ago
@badvariance Some people seem to think she was to blame for everything lol, no doubt the same people that worship BLIAR, and that mouth-breather G Brown.
adambarka 1 month ago
@berkbbx3
Right - I know you're obviously young I'm not exactly that old myself but I'm sorry you're just drifting into nonsense here. Why have you said 'thank you Thatcher & David'
On the point you have just raised 'tuition fees' do you realise prior to labour coming to power we had a grant system? labour brought in tuition fees, labour brought in 'top up' fees they also massively expanded the number of places meaning the State could never meet the payments especially at a time of crisis.
aerozeppelin2 1 month ago
@aerozeppelin2
In answer to your point on unemployment - what do you expect? The economy is going to get worse before it gets better as is the case across the developed World. But that aside the reason we're struggling is because of International crises out of our control which is not just damaging exports but also confidence. When the eurozone sorts itself out things will improve. Surely you don't think it's the job of 'Government' to provide you with a job?
aerozeppelin2 1 month ago
@aerozeppelin2 I was being sarcastic, its hard to measure it on the internet it seems :/ Labour brought them in...they were at around £3,000 per year. Under the Con-DemED coalition, its now at around £9,000 a year. The conservatives along with Mr.LieingScumBackstabberClegg have TRIPLED TUITION FEES. Labour brought in tuition fees, doesnt tuition fees decline the number of undergraduates? Surely the numbers went down when it wasn;t free anymore....I'll be willing to pay 6 grand!
berkbbx3 1 month ago
@berkbbx3
1. No, numbers did not go down because the labour Gov wanted 50% to go which has completely devalued degrees.
2. Do you realise you only pay a tiny amount out of your salary when you earn over 21k? You don't pay 6k as you suggest. If you're poor you will get a grant as well, which has actually increased.
You're listening to too much left wing propaganda - you need to look at the detail
aerozeppelin2 1 month ago
@aerozeppelin2 I do, and i know that paying 6 grand a year and getting £30 a week through EMA is better than getting no EMA and paying 9 grand a year. 9 is more than 6, and £30 a week is better than nothing. You need to know...simple facts basicly :D
berkbbx3 1 month ago
@berkbbx3
Basically you want a hand out? Why don't you get a part time job that will help bolster your CV for the future? BTW the 6k policy (which sees tuition fees double) is not set in stone as admitted by labour - you watch them say we can't reverse the changes.
aerozeppelin2 1 month ago
@aerozeppelin2
I agree, I didn't get any handouts when I was doing my A-Levels. I actually had a part time job earning me up to £100 a week and it didn't affect my ability to study one bit.
The fact is that people who don't have the intelligence or dedication needed have been choosing university over the last decade as an easy three years. Too many people graduate with worthless degrees that then go on to do basic jobs, all at a cost to the tax payer and the value of degrees.
SuperCUNextTuesday 1 month ago
@SuperCUNextTuesday So you're saying you were doing a 30 hour a week job on top of your A Levels? bullshit, and if you were i doubt very much it wouldn't affect your education. Finishing college at 4 then doing 4-5 hours a day in a job, then 2 hours of coursework. Besides that there simply isn't enough jobs for students who can only work evening or weekends.
arthmus01 1 month ago
@arthmus01
Given that I was on £4 - £5 an hour plus double time on Sundays it meant I only needed to do 15-20 hours a week. I did a similar thing through a degree at a top 10 university. I knew so many students that had only 10-15 hours of lectures a week but were "too busy" to work.
SuperCUNextTuesday 1 month ago
@aerozeppelin2 You call it a "hand out" I call it EMA. The fact that those bastards who cut it went to university for FREE and ontop of it got a grant for FREE, they literally got payed to have an education, I dont see why I should pay. Double for me is better than triple, idiot, and Ed clearly said he would lower tuition fees to 6K
berkbbx3 1 month ago
@aerozeppelin2 You can't "devalue" a degree simply by giving out more of them. the more people go to university the more valuable a degree is, since it is now seen as an essential requirement for any kind of professional career. On top of that, the wider the radius of potential graduates the more likely you are to reach the best and brightest people in society.
arthmus01 1 month ago
@aerozeppelin2 search the "UK national debt clock"
berkbbx3 1 month ago
i dont think miliband knows what he would do in office :S
Talleran 1 month ago
Ed Miliband is not a man I'd like to have a pint with.... I'll leave it at that...
electrifyingraphics 1 month ago
He's only in position of power because of his father.......
electrifyingraphics 1 month ago
You think he is bad? Wait until you see David Cameron!
AdamDLDixon 1 month ago
God if this fool is placed in control of my country i'm outta here
cRiTiCmAsTeRgOd 1 month ago
Did anyone else find Miliband's blinking hypnotizing? Literally couldn't focus on what he was saying when I watched this on TV this morning. Maybe it's a ploy???
23steph02 1 month ago
all i can say is i'd relaunch the fecker aff embri castle!
weadone 1 month ago
He must have spent a long time in front of the mirror to learn to mimic Blair's mannerisms so convincingly. Right down to the movement of the muscles around his mouth. Plus he has that strange Blair tick of substituting the letter 'i' with 'u' as in 'Defisut' instead of 'Deficit' and 'Politucs' instead of 'Politics'. He is a strange and disturbing man.
Garciamrcool 1 month ago
@Garciamrcool search 'common purpose' for your answer bud.
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MyMysteriousChannel 1 month ago
communist SCUM!!!!!
TheTrollCastHD 1 month ago
Independence for Cornwall!
TheSuperFervent 1 month ago
The electorate will NOT vote for this guy into office EVER.......I have always voted Labour but he will never get my vote........He has less chance than Michael Foot, and what a disaster that was.........PLEASE Labour hierarchy tell him in a nice way to FIND ANOTHER CAREER.........Come back David..............PLEASE.
movement26 1 month ago
Millipied, fucking wanker.
MrJumpzz 1 month ago
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Miliband - or is it MiliBLAND -a totally unelectable bullshitting idiot who finds it impossible to answer any questions put to him.... Just another career politician
Labour's 21st Century version of Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock - steering the Labour Party into political oblivion. Question - What did David Cameron ask Father Christmas for ?
Answer - David Milband to contiinue as Labour Party leader.
Could you trust this fool with your shopping list, never mind vote for him ?
UKGBtv 1 month ago
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UKGBtv 1 month ago
Independence for Wales and Scotland!!!
LukeLewisAnimation 1 month ago
WHAT A TOSSER
jackx156 1 month ago
He's a total moron, constantly and completely out of depth in his current role. However he needs to be kept as Labour leader for as long as possible. His ineptitude will ensure Labour will lose voters in their droves and keep them out of power for years. And make me very happy indeed.
joeugeda91 1 month ago
He looks like a comedian... : /
Yahweigh 1 month ago
@Yahweigh lol youre probably thinking of Sean Lock?
imusingit 1 month ago
@imusingit was thinking of david mitchell lol.
Yahweigh 1 month ago
He seems more intelligent then the candidates we're used to but he simply won't be elected because most people care more about charisma rather then actual policy. That's the reason Cameron was sworn in.
Then there's the fact that New Labour have become indistinguishable from the Tories and Ed doesn't seem to be doing anything to reverse that.
Saaduk92 1 month ago 2
@Saaduk92
I agree. Its funny how the plebs of our country mistake charisma for competence. Cameron showboated his way in just like Blair did. Fucking disgraceful that elections are decided on this. No wonder our country is fucked. While Miliband is a fucking terrible pr man, he at least knows what he's talking about. What he really needs to do is pull his party away from New Labor so people can really see what the left wing is really about
englishhacksaw 1 month ago
@englishhacksaw Cameron showboated himself in because Labour ruined the country
farmerandrews 1 month ago
@farmerandrews
"Hurrdurr it was all Liebor"
Yeah no. New Labor was not responsible for the entire recession. Blair wasn't he only one who spent to excess. Thatcher and John Major did as well. Why? Because Thatcher's deregulation caused a boom in the economy and gave us room to spend. However, this financial deregulation was the key cause of the recession. Overspending has nothing to do with the cause of the recession
englishhacksaw 1 month ago
@englishhacksaw Haha ridiculous.labour came into power in 97 the recession hit in 2008. so to pin blame on the tory years is ludicrous. Yes spending was not the cause of the recession but it did mean it was harder for us to weather.
farmerandrews 1 month ago
@farmerandrews As I said, Nigel Lawson under Thatcher was the one who deregulated the financial markets, following Raegan in America. This financial deregulation was what caused this credit bubble that eventually burst, creating the recession. Yes, New Labor should have adressed this issue but like Thatcher and John Major, they ignored it. And honestly, even if they did do something to stop it, we were screwed anyway because America and the rest of the world were ignoring it too.
englishhacksaw 1 month ago
Scumbag!!
destinyson23 1 month ago
labour party = conservative party lite
miahsamad 1 month ago
what a tosspot,could he be the man in charge next time,god help us,off out now to get some drugs,what a twat
24postie 1 month ago
ok
psychopanda11 1 month ago
This is how its going to go down saw this from beginning.
1. Labour WILL loose this election
2. Dave miliband will replace Ed miliband, the last leadership thing got dirty - we dont want a pm to be dirty
3. Dave miliband the rightfull face of a PM will win the next election
This has all been preplanned as Ed Miliband has no face to rule us brits.
Bring on the Dave
"Hello DAVE"
TheseusKhan 1 month ago
The way he seats himself, it looks obvious he is a thinking man, and thankfully for the common average man, who cares for our lessers. Tory's, could yopu please puss orf out of history, don't you know. you total bunch of numbnuts. Cameron? suck my stump you pathetic London living wealthy no doubt tax dodger that by some flike is our present PM. Tory party is made up of a load of tax dodgers, let alone mentioning their old monatary backer Lord Ashton, the capitalist sponging cunt he is.
yippitydodah 1 month ago
@yippitydodah HIC!
yippitydodah 1 month ago
@yippitydodah Haha you mean like the ex labour pm Tony Blair who has only paid 300,000 tax on 12million. Like Mandleson who said he didnt mindy people 'getting filthy rich' and has brought a 8million pound house in london. At least the tories are not hyprocritical champagne socialists.
farmerandrews 1 month ago
@farmerandrews Tony Blair Highjacked the Labour Party for his own ends'..Period..He was a true blue Tory'..Just like his parents'..Who belatedly joined New Labour when Blair took over.But what other choice had the people got in 1997?..Vote libDem?..Lopk who they teamed up with eh?.If it were not that the fact that John Smith died unexpectedly'..We might have been in power anyway.So what choice had we got?..Answer...None'..We had to save our NHS somehow'..What about now eh?
Jangalene1 1 month ago
@farmerandrews piss off tory, stop spreading misinformation. Check his personal accounts not his companies. Are you affraid that all this money that he is supposedly is being used to battle you numbnut south eastern england torys, I am all for it it. Tax dodge away labour man I say, if you can't beat them, join what they do underhand in brit life.
yippitydodah 1 month ago
@yippitydodah My dear fellow, I am from the South West.
farmerandrews 1 month ago
@farmerandrews Cornwall or Devon, or, spit, Dorset? Good vid heare on the south east of England and Jesus Christ, friend,
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yippitydodah 1 month ago
@yippitydodah I farm on the Devon Cornwall Border. I agree with you about the people in the south-east ghastly bunch.
farmerandrews 1 month ago
@farmerandrews it is sad what has happened to any sort of farming in the south-east of England - nothing seems to happen there anymore. All I see is yellow rapeseed fields in the summer, with hops and fruit farming more or less diappeared. And as for livestock, only in petting farms!
Dorset/Devon/Somerset/Cornwall keep working farms, as in West Wales here. You know your in a healthy farming area when the nose sense's it in early spring when the muck spreader comes out.
yippitydodah 1 month ago
@farmerandrews ...and by the way, more or less next to the Tamar? Nice stuff.
yippitydodah 1 month ago
@farmerandrews Sorry, Worcestershire, interesting county - have you seen the programme done by Jonathan Meades on it, gret farming land,
watch?v=DVV