Didn't you know? Obama is gonna take care of all of us Free cars free houses and free healthcare It will be one big happy ghetto with our own pink flamingos on the front pavement!
This is my problem with the plan, it entrust sooo much power and authority over many aspects of our life to a government that both sides scream is flawed? And lets say, just for arguments sake, that everyone in office now is being completely honest with us and is completely altruistic in all their motives. (best case scenario)
What about their successors? What about our kids? IF we keep taking rights away to make survival easier, thats all it will be is that...
How is that? If the government ends up losing money, as it has a LONG track record of doing, they would go to rationing care like those other "wonderful" countries you speak of. No offense but relying on anything that is losing money this fast to be able to not only fix it, but also create a surplus to fund this indefinitely? Come one man, think.
I agree with you that everyone deserves to be cared for but this just has too many holes and ways it can be corrupted and exploited.
Besides, I cannot support putting serilant in the drinking water, encouraging abortions, taking our rights away, forcing us to forsake the document this country was built on, and generally ingoring the individual in favor of mass producing what they call "good" citizens.
Another thing, if the plan is soooo dang great, how come there are lotteries to get healthy care in canada that, until you get lucky, means you go without? What about the fact that our politicians wont even use it themselves?
Sorry bud but you make no sense. If its so great then EVERYONE would want it, instead politicians give us one thing and themselves something better, LMAO.
Americans somehow feel they are ENTITLED to all these things cause we have taken them for granted. If this plan is so great why are soo many people like me, who are right above poverty level, fighting it?
Soulinite, these are all honest questions and thoughts, lemme know what you think but why dont you provide those facts you require of us?
Here is how I see it, I dont agree with the REASONS behind universal health care, everyone deserves to have the option and chance to life a full and happy life but heres the point...
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Life, you have the right to live and not be killed. :-)
Liberty, you have the right to make YOUR OWN DECISIONS! Not have the "right" one forced on you.
The PURSUIT of happiness, pursuit is key here. Doesnt guarantee it, just says you have the right to chase it.
In an age were new viruses are still a major threat(wikipedia spanish flu to see how distructive a virus can be) and world travel is cheap and accessable having 20% of your population not having health care is a major public health risk.
Ummm...you do realize that it has the swine flu is the exception and not the rule right?
That the government already runs single payer healt care on smaller scales and cant even do that right?
That the countries that have this kind of healt care dont like it, hell, their own world leaders come here. Know what drives people here to make advancements that a good chunk of the world cant keep up with?
The thought that with determination and effort we can make this a better world AND turn a profit!
Beantown is absolutely right. Why should americans cover people who are not here illegaly. There is actually pieces in the legislation that does not support ID of people coming into ERs. If you thought immigration was bad now, wait until any ole joe from mexico and canada can come to america and get free healthcare.
Having millions of people without access to health care is dangerous for everyone.
If some illegal gets swine flu do you want him in the ER at the first sign of illness being quarintined or do you want him coughing on everyone for a few weeks spreading the virus around?
Forget the illegals then. What about 20% of your native born country men who are without insurance? If they delay treatment for fear of the cost they are potentially allowing a pandemic time to spread and mutate.
What about the thousands that wait for LOTTERIES to get health care? The only lottery you have to wait on here is mega bucks, even if you have no money you get treatment here. I know for a fact, before a year ago I was that 20%. You talk about how you arent coming here for health care, well I am pointing out that you are misrepresenting that very 20% you keep repeating over and over again.
This really is absurd, come with a rational idea, for or opposed, or dont come at all.
"Some illegal?" Illegals won't get swine flue because they don't fly down to Mexico or anywhere. They stay here, within the US border. "Legals" do fly and travel. They're the ones brought it to the US in the first place. Your a misinformed bigot Soulinite! Shame on you!
You've missed my point. Regaurdless of how the 20% of the population without insurance comes into contact with a pandemic they are still delaying treatment for fear of medical bills. This allows a virus time to spread throught the population and potentially mutate into something more dangerous.
I know that and I love it. I'm from a country where medicine is socialized and my personal experience compares pretty much with that of Canadians. Instead of finding a solution for those without Health Care, Pres. Obama and Democrats want to "re-do" the entire system. Those who support him don't know what they're talking about. Do we have to keep up with the Jones and get in trouble? I thought I lived in the US not in Korea to copy everyone else.
I have a challenge for you. Compair infant mortality rates and average life span in countries with universial health care to those in the states. bonus points if you compair the average standared of living between the us and europe.
You sure are a Obama worshipper! Have you ever really had a thought that was your own? You can try to twist things around, but you still don't have any facts! Tell me why everyone comes here for major health care? Tell my why more people from other countries come here to practice doctering? Tell me how much the democratic party is paying you to post lies?
LoL... i read this one after the first one. My source are the people I have made friends with in those countries and the public records of foreign diplomats/leaders coming here for care their countries just dont have.
As for the person who assumed you were paid to tell lies, really? Just cause someone disagrees you are gonna assume they are part of a propaganda machine? LMMFAO, I dont agree with soulinite it looks like but thats why I love this country...WE DONT HAVE TO AGREE to co-exist!
The democratic party has hired web trollers that search youtube to post their propaganda. I shouldn't say the whole party, more like Obama's whitehouse does. I have worked with international travelers who come to the USA to have major surgery, because they don't trust their own healthcare system.
Infant mortality and average lifespan are more dependent on lifestyle (behaviors) such as drug use, driving recklessly, etc. than health CARE as in treatment for specific illnesses i.e. cancer, heart disease, etc. so you are comparing apples to oranges. I challenge you to compare cancer survival rates to any country with universal coverage-the US is overwhelmingly better.
The only healthcare crisis is the one the socialists want you to believe. You know the crisis? It's 12 million illegal aliens and 12 million children that live with mom and dad and those who are indifferent to wanting or needing the insurance That scare Obama has been promoting for months now!
Typical liberal B.S. talking points! Call everyone who disagrees with you a racist. Well that crap might work against liberals, you a-holes pulled that CRAP against the Clintons and their supporters during the primaries, but sorry that B.S. doesn't work against conservatives! We won't back off and the more of an ass you liberals make of yourselves the harder we will fight against YOU! PATHETIC!
Democrats have been lying to the American people since that corrupt power-hungry party took control of our country! This socialist takeover of health care is payback to unions and extremist liberal hate groups! They don't care about who or what is destroyed by their disastrous legislation. We all need to help the GOP fight against all their lies and corruption!
Just this past week - Airman 1st Class Colton Read, 20, was in serious condition at the Univ. Cal Davis Medical Center in Sacramento, where he was transferred after a botched gallbladder surgery at Travis Air Force Base, Calif., VA hospital. He lost both of his legs and can't even sue for incompetence since a military hospital. Anyone for government healthcare?
As a pro-choice advocate, I am opposed to ANY legislation that uses the funds of the public to pay for the abortion of another. By doing this, we would take away the choice of the individual.
Obama's favorite medicine is the TAX pill, he is prescribing it for everyone so he can continue his wreckless spending spree. Obama, NAZI Pelosi, Scarry Reid need to be sent to prison for robbing our childrens future blind.
LEGALIZE THE CONSTITUTION, THROW THE BUMS OUT OF WASHINGTON! This is land of the free, NOT land where everythings free. The Radical Left-wing Neo-liberal Marxist Demoncrats need to realize that.
John Boehner, Is a loud mouth Republican who had the floor for 6 years in U.S. Congress All they done was get us in the biggest economy mess we have ever seen in the history of United States DO I TRUST HIM NO!
All Boehner Is just trying to do is kill Health Care reform.
The GOP DID NOTHING ABOUT HEALTH CARE WHEN THEY HAD THE CHANCE FOR 6 YEARS!
THE GOP IS SCARED IT WILL WORK!
ITS THE GOP FAULT WE ARE IN A ECONOMY MESS! A WAR FOR OIL GOP!
If this healthcare bill passes You the taxpayer will be giving free healthcare to illegal aliens And giving your private patient rights away to beaurocrats that will make decisions for you.
NOW I KNOW WHY ALL THE YELLING AND RANTING ITS RACISM PURE AND EVIL YOUR FAMILY ARE IMMIGRANTS TOO..WE ALL ARE IM A US CITIZEN NATURAL BORN I CANT GET INSURANCE NO PRIVATE INSURANCE WILL WRITE ME BECAUSE I ALREADY HAVE COLON POLPS ,,EVEN IF I HAD THE MONEY,, DO YOU WISH THE SAME OF YOUR COUNTRYMAN ? SOME NEIGHBOR . GET USED TO THE FACT YOUR OPINION IS IN THE MINORITY YES YOU ARE NOW A MINORITY GET USED TO IT YELLING AND RANTING JUST SHOWS your TRUE RACIST COLORS ITS ANTI AMERICAN
You cant get medicare/medicaid? Go to your local teaching hospital, a lot of cities allot money for indigent care and even have tax levies in place to pay for people who cannot afford healthcare.
If you think america is going to just roll over and scrub what they have for healthcare now for a beaurocratic run socialist healthcare system for 12 million illegal aliens and those on lifetime welfare YOUR NUTS hahahaha
My comments are being heavily filtered and I'm not using one word of profanity. Things like s o c i a l i s t democrats and t r e a s o n against America...
YES ... I agree!! Whenever the government runs anything, it loses all sense of responsibility. It just becomes one more source of government corruption and greed. We need to come up with a plan that doesn't involve a hostile government takeover. There are other options but the Liberals won't even consider them! Don't let these radical liberals grab any more power!
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The insurance companies are already in the way between patients and their doctors. Everything the republicans say will be wrong with the new system is already a serious problem right NOW.
The republiclans talk about wanting to fix health care, but everyone knows they don't want to. They have had more than enough time to have "fixed" health care.
Nobama's not a president but he plays one on TV.
Re-elected? I doubt he'll finish his first term.
Military coup, lock the fucker up, lock up his entire fucking regime!
carlosmurphy4u 1 year ago
Obama just utterly got torched with that video.
I can also assure you that he will NOT be re-elected at the rate he's going!
LittleMrRepublican 2 years ago 2
pbama is didn't you hear? hes gonna give us free cars and houses and healthcare
BeantownJim 2 years ago
support your own town and state thats it
BeantownJim 2 years ago
Didn't you know? Obama is gonna take care of all of us Free cars free houses and free healthcare It will be one big happy ghetto with our own pink flamingos on the front pavement!
BeantownJim 2 years ago
Hey yeah a bunch of fantasy hyperbole you won me over.
LambChowder1 2 years ago
stop paying taxes end of socialism
BeantownJim 2 years ago
Hope you enjoy walking to work ev oh thats right taxes pay for sidewalks too. Hope you're Spiderman.
LambChowder1 2 years ago
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MrMindfucker 2 years ago 2
This is my problem with the plan, it entrust sooo much power and authority over many aspects of our life to a government that both sides scream is flawed? And lets say, just for arguments sake, that everyone in office now is being completely honest with us and is completely altruistic in all their motives. (best case scenario)
What about their successors? What about our kids? IF we keep taking rights away to make survival easier, thats all it will be is that...
survival.
Me, I want to live!
ParadoxDuBois 2 years ago
Universal health care will prevent pandemics. if you want to live suport universal health care.
soulinite 2 years ago
How is that? If the government ends up losing money, as it has a LONG track record of doing, they would go to rationing care like those other "wonderful" countries you speak of. No offense but relying on anything that is losing money this fast to be able to not only fix it, but also create a surplus to fund this indefinitely? Come one man, think.
I agree with you that everyone deserves to be cared for but this just has too many holes and ways it can be corrupted and exploited.
ParadoxDuBois 2 years ago
Besides, I cannot support putting serilant in the drinking water, encouraging abortions, taking our rights away, forcing us to forsake the document this country was built on, and generally ingoring the individual in favor of mass producing what they call "good" citizens.
Another thing, if the plan is soooo dang great, how come there are lotteries to get healthy care in canada that, until you get lucky, means you go without? What about the fact that our politicians wont even use it themselves?
ParadoxDuBois 2 years ago
Sorry bud but you make no sense. If its so great then EVERYONE would want it, instead politicians give us one thing and themselves something better, LMAO.
Americans somehow feel they are ENTITLED to all these things cause we have taken them for granted. If this plan is so great why are soo many people like me, who are right above poverty level, fighting it?
Soulinite, these are all honest questions and thoughts, lemme know what you think but why dont you provide those facts you require of us?
ParadoxDuBois 2 years ago
Here is how I see it, I dont agree with the REASONS behind universal health care, everyone deserves to have the option and chance to life a full and happy life but heres the point...
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Life, you have the right to live and not be killed. :-)
Liberty, you have the right to make YOUR OWN DECISIONS! Not have the "right" one forced on you.
The PURSUIT of happiness, pursuit is key here. Doesnt guarantee it, just says you have the right to chase it.
ParadoxDuBois 2 years ago
In an age were new viruses are still a major threat(wikipedia spanish flu to see how distructive a virus can be) and world travel is cheap and accessable having 20% of your population not having health care is a major public health risk.
soulinite 2 years ago
Ummm...you do realize that it has the swine flu is the exception and not the rule right?
That the government already runs single payer healt care on smaller scales and cant even do that right?
That the countries that have this kind of healt care dont like it, hell, their own world leaders come here. Know what drives people here to make advancements that a good chunk of the world cant keep up with?
The thought that with determination and effort we can make this a better world AND turn a profit!
ParadoxDuBois 2 years ago
The Healthcare Bill is part of the UN's Agenda 21 Eugenics Plan ... Eugenics=Death of the chronically ill and elderly And next is you... Vote No!!!
Simple2Perfection 2 years ago
No more alex jones for you my friend.
soulinite 2 years ago
I'm wondering if Boehner will pass out checks on the floor of Congress AS HE HAS IN THE PAST to get votes.
TALK ABOUT SCUM!
DillonX 2 years ago
Beantown is absolutely right. Why should americans cover people who are not here illegaly. There is actually pieces in the legislation that does not support ID of people coming into ERs. If you thought immigration was bad now, wait until any ole joe from mexico and canada can come to america and get free healthcare.
Zoklor 2 years ago
Having millions of people without access to health care is dangerous for everyone.
If some illegal gets swine flu do you want him in the ER at the first sign of illness being quarintined or do you want him coughing on everyone for a few weeks spreading the virus around?
soulinite 2 years ago
I would rather have them out of the country, and apply for citizenship the proper way. They are the main cause of this health care "crisis"
Zoklor 2 years ago
Forget the illegals then. What about 20% of your native born country men who are without insurance? If they delay treatment for fear of the cost they are potentially allowing a pandemic time to spread and mutate.
soulinite 2 years ago
What about the thousands that wait for LOTTERIES to get health care? The only lottery you have to wait on here is mega bucks, even if you have no money you get treatment here. I know for a fact, before a year ago I was that 20%. You talk about how you arent coming here for health care, well I am pointing out that you are misrepresenting that very 20% you keep repeating over and over again.
This really is absurd, come with a rational idea, for or opposed, or dont come at all.
ParadoxDuBois 2 years ago
"Some illegal?" Illegals won't get swine flue because they don't fly down to Mexico or anywhere. They stay here, within the US border. "Legals" do fly and travel. They're the ones brought it to the US in the first place. Your a misinformed bigot Soulinite! Shame on you!
alexgomez2 2 years ago
You've missed my point. Regaurdless of how the 20% of the population without insurance comes into contact with a pandemic they are still delaying treatment for fear of medical bills. This allows a virus time to spread throught the population and potentially mutate into something more dangerous.
soulinite 2 years ago
leave it to the right wing to turn a simpsons joke into an attack ad.
soulinite 2 years ago
leave it to the left to try to turn a simpsons joke into real life health care.
MREDASU 2 years ago
You realize that america is the only first world country without universal health care right?
I guess not.
soulinite 2 years ago
I know that and I love it. I'm from a country where medicine is socialized and my personal experience compares pretty much with that of Canadians. Instead of finding a solution for those without Health Care, Pres. Obama and Democrats want to "re-do" the entire system. Those who support him don't know what they're talking about. Do we have to keep up with the Jones and get in trouble? I thought I lived in the US not in Korea to copy everyone else.
alexgomez2 2 years ago
I have a challenge for you. Compair infant mortality rates and average life span in countries with universial health care to those in the states. bonus points if you compair the average standared of living between the us and europe.
soulinite 2 years ago
You sure are a Obama worshipper! Have you ever really had a thought that was your own? You can try to twist things around, but you still don't have any facts! Tell me why everyone comes here for major health care? Tell my why more people from other countries come here to practice doctering? Tell me how much the democratic party is paying you to post lies?
Truthinmidamerica 2 years ago
"Tell me why everyone comes here for major health care?"
I don't trave to the US for major health care. Would you care to site a source?
"Tell me how much the democratic party is paying you to post lies?"
I'm curious, is your first instinct always that some one who is disagrees with you must be doing so because they are being paid of by the democrats?
soulinite 2 years ago
LoL... i read this one after the first one. My source are the people I have made friends with in those countries and the public records of foreign diplomats/leaders coming here for care their countries just dont have.
As for the person who assumed you were paid to tell lies, really? Just cause someone disagrees you are gonna assume they are part of a propaganda machine? LMMFAO, I dont agree with soulinite it looks like but thats why I love this country...WE DONT HAVE TO AGREE to co-exist!
ParadoxDuBois 2 years ago
The democratic party has hired web trollers that search youtube to post their propaganda. I shouldn't say the whole party, more like Obama's whitehouse does. I have worked with international travelers who come to the USA to have major surgery, because they don't trust their own healthcare system.
Truthinmidamerica 2 years ago
it's easy to make crazy claims. It's much harder to provide evidence for them.
soulinite 2 years ago
Oh ok.
LambChowder1 2 years ago
Infant mortality and average lifespan are more dependent on lifestyle (behaviors) such as drug use, driving recklessly, etc. than health CARE as in treatment for specific illnesses i.e. cancer, heart disease, etc. so you are comparing apples to oranges. I challenge you to compare cancer survival rates to any country with universal coverage-the US is overwhelmingly better.
juniper9berry 2 years ago
Can you give me a break down of cancer survival rates by income for the US please.
soulinite 2 years ago
The only healthcare crisis is the one the socialists want you to believe. You know the crisis? It's 12 million illegal aliens and 12 million children that live with mom and dad and those who are indifferent to wanting or needing the insurance That scare Obama has been promoting for months now!
BeantownJim 2 years ago
AP reports Revenues down beggining of this year 18% across the board Biggest drop since 1932
BeantownJim 2 years ago 2
Typical liberal B.S. talking points! Call everyone who disagrees with you a racist. Well that crap might work against liberals, you a-holes pulled that CRAP against the Clintons and their supporters during the primaries, but sorry that B.S. doesn't work against conservatives! We won't back off and the more of an ass you liberals make of yourselves the harder we will fight against YOU! PATHETIC!
rationalnow 2 years ago
Democrats have been lying to the American people since that corrupt power-hungry party took control of our country! This socialist takeover of health care is payback to unions and extremist liberal hate groups! They don't care about who or what is destroyed by their disastrous legislation. We all need to help the GOP fight against all their lies and corruption!
rationalnow 2 years ago
Right, because the GOP did such a good job for 8 years.
soulinite 2 years ago
BONER and everone like him is a sell out to insurance co's and pharmacuticals.
He's voting his wallet.
I hope he and everyone like him burn in hell for their behavior on earth
kerasea 2 years ago
Just this past week - Airman 1st Class Colton Read, 20, was in serious condition at the Univ. Cal Davis Medical Center in Sacramento, where he was transferred after a botched gallbladder surgery at Travis Air Force Base, Calif., VA hospital. He lost both of his legs and can't even sue for incompetence since a military hospital. Anyone for government healthcare?
ikjornes 2 years ago
As a pro-choice advocate, I am opposed to ANY legislation that uses the funds of the public to pay for the abortion of another. By doing this, we would take away the choice of the individual.
Say no to this bill!
CancerChix0r 2 years ago
Obama's favorite medicine is the TAX pill, he is prescribing it for everyone so he can continue his wreckless spending spree. Obama, NAZI Pelosi, Scarry Reid need to be sent to prison for robbing our childrens future blind.
ablejohnson 2 years ago
LEGALIZE THE CONSTITUTION, THROW THE BUMS OUT OF WASHINGTON! This is land of the free, NOT land where everythings free. The Radical Left-wing Neo-liberal Marxist Demoncrats need to realize that.
ablejohnson 2 years ago
John Boehner, Is a loud mouth Republican who had the floor for 6 years in U.S. Congress All they done was get us in the biggest economy mess we have ever seen in the history of United States DO I TRUST HIM NO!
All Boehner Is just trying to do is kill Health Care reform.
The GOP DID NOTHING ABOUT HEALTH CARE WHEN THEY HAD THE CHANCE FOR 6 YEARS!
THE GOP IS SCARED IT WILL WORK!
ITS THE GOP FAULT WE ARE IN A ECONOMY MESS! A WAR FOR OIL GOP!
TELL THE TRUTH FOR ONCE!
BrendettNC 2 years ago
boehner 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
babeofmadness 2 years ago
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Xinthose 2 years ago
its pernounced bay-ner...
Austinbit 2 years ago
Not one dime for free healthcare for illegal's or welfare recipients The free ride is over Congress and Obama
BeantownJim 2 years ago 3
If this healthcare bill passes You the taxpayer will be giving free healthcare to illegal aliens And giving your private patient rights away to beaurocrats that will make decisions for you.
BeantownJim 2 years ago 5
NOW I KNOW WHY ALL THE YELLING AND RANTING ITS RACISM PURE AND EVIL YOUR FAMILY ARE IMMIGRANTS TOO..WE ALL ARE IM A US CITIZEN NATURAL BORN I CANT GET INSURANCE NO PRIVATE INSURANCE WILL WRITE ME BECAUSE I ALREADY HAVE COLON POLPS ,,EVEN IF I HAD THE MONEY,, DO YOU WISH THE SAME OF YOUR COUNTRYMAN ? SOME NEIGHBOR . GET USED TO THE FACT YOUR OPINION IS IN THE MINORITY YES YOU ARE NOW A MINORITY GET USED TO IT YELLING AND RANTING JUST SHOWS your TRUE RACIST COLORS ITS ANTI AMERICAN
STEEEVVYZ 2 years ago
You cant get medicare/medicaid? Go to your local teaching hospital, a lot of cities allot money for indigent care and even have tax levies in place to pay for people who cannot afford healthcare.
Zoklor 2 years ago
If you think america is going to just roll over and scrub what they have for healthcare now for a beaurocratic run socialist healthcare system for 12 million illegal aliens and those on lifetime welfare YOUR NUTS hahahaha
BeantownJim 2 years ago 2
My comments are being heavily filtered and I'm not using one word of profanity. Things like s o c i a l i s t democrats and t r e a s o n against America...
kmg501 2 years ago 6
Watch this /watch?v=zqozYmwxshc
kmg501 2 years ago
Why is youtube heavily filtering comments?
kmg501 2 years ago 4
How about no govt involvement. Take care of yourself.
campsteveo 2 years ago 10
YES ... I agree!! Whenever the government runs anything, it loses all sense of responsibility. It just becomes one more source of government corruption and greed. We need to come up with a plan that doesn't involve a hostile government takeover. There are other options but the Liberals won't even consider them! Don't let these radical liberals grab any more power!
lolajean2 2 years ago 4
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The insurance companies are already in the way between patients and their doctors. Everything the republicans say will be wrong with the new system is already a serious problem right NOW.
The republiclans talk about wanting to fix health care, but everyone knows they don't want to. They have had more than enough time to have "fixed" health care.
GuitarSpeller 2 years ago