YO CREO QUE JAMAS VOLVEREMOS HABER ALGO ASI GANAR LOS 4 GRANDES Y LA MEDALLA DE ORO YA PASARON CASI 24 AÑOS DE ALGO HISTORICO LA GRAN ALEMANA PARA MI LA MEJOR TENISTA FEMENINA DE LA HISTORIA.
I like Monica I like Steffi, and when they both played against each other it was always hard, good and tough...Why can't we just have a good friendly view on it. Steffi won a lot of Grand Slams, and Monica won in her few years amazingly many Grand slams before stabbed. Both should be respected and no one should argue about the situation that something did happen. Sure Monica would have won a lot more Grand Slams, but also I am sure that Steffi would have proofen to be the amazing player. Respect
@Sepir29 It's because they are very different players, almost polar opposites in terms of play style, personality (on court and off court), and fortune. So if you adore one of them, it is quite likely that you will not be very fond of the other, unless you are very open-minded.
this was the start of 10years of destruction that will never be surpassed..Seles never deserved to be on the same court as graf ...eg wimby 92.regardless of the generation graf came out on top no-one could hit the ball hard enough no-one could out pace her no-one had better footwork god only knows how many grand slams she would have won had she not had injuries in the last years of her career....the greatest of all time ...bet ur ass she was
Never deserved to be on the same court as Graf yet she's the one who dethroned the so-called GOAT as a fresh 16 year old. Djokovic is the only great talent from Serbia ever found by Jelena Gencic after Monica Seles. Look with your own eyes where he is now!
She's feared by many that one crazed fan thought there's no way Graf could ever regain the ranking without some "help" LOL
Graf would have been #1 again anyway if she had beaten Seles at the FO 93.
Which she was quite capable of considering that they were 1-1 H2H on clay when Seles was #1 pre-stabbing and 3-2 H2H on all surfaces combined. Seles won only with 10-8 in the third set of the FO 92 final.
To suggest Steffi could not have beaten Seles in a FO 93 final (provided Seles would have made the final in the first place!) is ridiculous.
How is any discussion of Monica Seles relevant to this video?? Seles did not hit the scene in any force until 1990/1991.
1988 was a magical year and as a huge sports fan, I still consider this feat by Steffi Graf to be the best feat of the modern era, perhaps the best of all time. Not only did she win the calendar grand slam but she beat her top foes in the finals and then capped it off with a gold medal.
The photo of Graf with the gold medal appears to be from 1984, when she won the demonstration tennis event at the Los Angeles Olympics as a fifteen-year-old.
@italo36 Opportunist? Steffi had won 9 grand slams before Monica won her first. Wasn't her fault she was stabbed. Steffi is the greatest female tennis player ever. Learn to live with it asshole.
Steffi won 22 slams because Monica Seles was stabbed...everybody knows that...that is why their will always be a controversy, doubt and question marks in regards to all those slams.
Monica won her slams only because Steffi was in a slump due to family problems (blackmail scandal etc.). Steffi lost 5 matches in a row to Sabatini! No wonder the 2nd-best player (Seles) profited from that.
I am a big fan of both Steffi Graf and Monica Seles. I just hate it when Seles fans post comments about the stabbing in Steffi Graf tribute videos like this. This is a video about Steffi Graf. The stabbing had nothing to do with this.
the only one who stopped Graff's invasion was Seles..!That is what you should admire Monica coming from Yogoslavia and Being the dominant force in womens tennis in the early 90's
Hit to Stefi's backhand all day, Chris. It's not going to work. We likely shall never see another woman who hits underspin on 95% of her backhands. And it was not a floaty cupcake underspin, but a driving and biting shot. Amazing player.
It was working actually. Chrissie was 2 points from the 2nd set. Later in the tie-breaker, she got a bad line call, and made an unforced error on the 1st two points.
1988 was Stefi's year. Not only did she win the Golden Grand Slam that year but she also won the gold medal at the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Your body has to be sooo conditioned and fit, and mentally strong, to pull that off!!
Steffi did visit Monica...Steffi always admits that Seles, not Nvaratilova, was her toughest competitor...Seles was the dominant player and beat Graf in 3 of 4 slam finals prior to being stabbed...but Graf earned her wins anyways but she certainly would not have had 22...and snowbunny...Maragret Court has 24...so Steffi not the best in terms of titles...
Steffi Graf was brilliant!! what a great combination of power and finesse in her game and not to mention her great mental toughness. She was on a level higher that everyone else because she won in every surface. It was such a treat to have seen her play. She is the best tennis player of all time. Love you steffi!!
I'm sorry to say I have to agree that Seles was better. Quoting stats will never be a true representation of what would have happened had she not been stabbed and coming into her prime. Had she been stabbed at 30 and been robbed of her later years, would have been a different story. Graf is awesome for sure but Seles slightly better.
I have never heard of a sporting controversy that has lingered on for years like "who was better...Graf or Seles" graf has been retired for ten freakin years now ,but still the bitching by envious seles fans.The only perons that have stayed out of this bullshit has been seles and graf ...neither making a comment on the issue.....shame the fans couldnt do the same
my goodness...pleeeeeeease post the right pic from her olympic triumph...the pic you have posted is from her olympic triumph 1984 in los angeles,when tennis was a test- competition
BTW,Graf actually could have done another golden slam in 96 if she was fit enough to appear in the AO and the Olympics.That again shows why was the best ever.
grafs record compared to seles is like comparing chalk to cheese,it took seles 2 yrs to come back from a 5 cm cut graf was better before seles got stabbed better after and still better.and all seles fan crybabies can bitch all u like but seles was to weak to come back for 2 yrs ,during which time no-one could beat steffi so is graf better .....DAM RIGHT
Wat a load of crap!! yep seles beat graf a few times b4 seles got smashed at wimbledon,what isn't realized is graf was closing the rankings gap at a alarming rate b4 the stabbing.Seles proved how weak she was wen it took her 2 years to come back and wen she did she was fat and unfit.........seles record compared to graf is crap and she doesnt deserve to be spoken in the same breathe as graf .....she was always better
seles destroyed graf in their last match before her stabbing you retard,she showed how she was pulling away from graf with 8 aces to grafs 1 in that match and it was the first match where seles out aced graf it proved how seles was entering her prime and getting much stromnger than graf.
easy to win a grand slam with no seles around yet,funny how when seles appeared graf was only able to win wimbledon she couldnt even win the masters at the end of the year either.
You know that her fans have an excuse for every loss...
They forget that by early 1993, to the exception of Wimbledon, Seles had the same number of major titles (or more) at the French (3-2), the Australian (3-3), the US Open (2-2) and the Masters (3-2).
What Parche did caused the biggest change in tennis. Seles was on to be in the same league as the greats Evert and Navratilova. It's a sad story
Well, she still made 4 finals in 1995-1998 being far from her best level. And he was dying at that point.
So why on earth would she be less good than that ? She won the freaking 1993 AO and I don't see how graf could beat her that year on clay. Could hardly beat Fernandez...
my point is, you were saying that Fernandez often took seles to 3 sets, I gave you the stat proving you wrong and you pull out the Graf stat (which is not what you were talking about).
but its not true, selse won most of grand slems, graf won maybee before 1990, after that, grafs backhand slice was no use and seles used that weak side of graf.
Seles is about 5 years younger than Graf. And she's the no. 1 player prior to stabbing and would've remained there for years to come.
Seles beat Graf more in grand slams and would have continued to be her archnemesis whom Graf most feared if the stabbing hadn't occurred :) This is what people believe.
When Monica seles was #1 and practically unbeatable and had a 3-1 advantage in slam finals against Graf and the last match they played before the stabbing was also won by Monica 4-6,6-3,6-2 in the aussie final and Seles had won 7 of the 8 slams she entered so she was the clear dominant player and nothing stood in her way besides a Graf fan who stabbed Monica to HELP STEFFI GRAF BE #1 AGAIN, so check your stats before making such statements.
When Monica Seles was #1 she lost 75 % of her matches against Steffi Graf.
In her two best years Seles lost 6 and 5 matches per year.
Graf lost only 2 in 1987, only 3 in 1988, only 2 in 1989, only 2 in 1995 and only 4 in 1996. Navratilova lost only 3 matches in 1982, only 1 match in 1983, only 2 matches in 1984 and only 3 matches in 1986.
@Hoffenheim08 i say this with much respect to Steffi Graf but i am
a Seles fan. Graf became a pro in 1982, Seles in '89. At the time of the stabbing Graf had won 11 slams in 11 years of becoming a pro. Thats 1 slam per year.
Seles till April '93 had won 8 in 4 and a half years. Graf reached the final of wimbledon only in her 4th attempt. Seles reached the final in her 3rd attempt.
@Hoffenheim08 i thought we were having a discussion. you did not have to get personal.
as a tennis fan i love Graf, especially for winning the french in '99 beating the very in form hingis. But as most tennis experts agree, had the stabbing not taken place, Seles would have won more than 9 slams and Graf less than 22. Is that such a bad thing?
btw thanks for the prompt response. And I am not an idiot an i know you are not one either.
I have heard this "Graf became a pro in 1982, Seles in 1989" too often in the last 15 years. As an argument it is one thing - idiotic.
As is counting Steffi playing the 1983 Wimbledon qualies one week after her 14th (!) birthday and drawing conclusions from that for a comparison Graf/Seles on their Wimbledon (!) capabilities. Idiotic.
If you don't want to be called "idiot" why then posting idiotic "arguments"?
@alanis9090 ok im a graf fan as well and yea the stabbing did end one of the most talked about rivalries in the modern era and maybe seles would have won more grand slams ,I do know one thing ,Graf was a perfectionist she wouldnt have been happy being no2 forever she would have figured out how t beat seles like she beat everybody else
@dwaynebuddha yeah it was a tough match but i remember when monica lost serve at 4-4 in the final set, she looked so beat she needed a hug and steffi was all pumped up. she knew she was in the final right then. but the final against hingis was special because she was behind hingis for most of the match.
i think graf was her best from 96-99. that's when she started playing with so much more mental strength.
@dwaynebuddha I am a big fan of Steffi as well, but I do disagree. Steffi always put out that once you have been nr. 1 for a long time, it does not matter to you anymore. She always said records, numbers and stuff did not matter to her. She only wanted to play good tennis and to be satisfied with the way she played. God, she sometimes even was not satisfied when she won when she made too many mistakes...
are you retarded,seles was only half the player she wasd after the stabbing you fool she wasnt even close to being the same player before the stabbing losing the french open final to arantxa proves that since she had beaten her in straight sets at the french before the stabbing.
Get real, players have come back from 6-0, 5-0 down to win sometimes. When you are playing someone who was good enough to win 6 matches vs the best players in the world to reach a slam final you cant ever take the chance to just give them a game or two to be nice.
Zvereva achieved that feat against Tauziat at Eastbourne. Tauziat was leading 6-0 3-0, let her play and lost, but she was no Steffi.
Zvereva made it to the final in 1 of the weakest fields (given the surface at that time) beating Navratilova (her worst surface), Sukova and Bradtke. the sole threat to Steffi was Sabatini, and Steffi beat her in 2 tight sets. The final was a stroll and Graf herself admitted later that she should have left her a game.
Wow! Incredible achievement!!! A milestone in the tennis history.
AurolaGerero 11 hours ago
YO CREO QUE JAMAS VOLVEREMOS HABER ALGO ASI GANAR LOS 4 GRANDES Y LA MEDALLA DE ORO YA PASARON CASI 24 AÑOS DE ALGO HISTORICO LA GRAN ALEMANA PARA MI LA MEJOR TENISTA FEMENINA DE LA HISTORIA.
TheMiquirray 2 weeks ago
a true champion can always make a big comeback but Seles couldn't because she was never a great champion as Graf were.
mahr5789 1 month ago
What an understated reaction! And incredible achievement, and she reacts like she's just won a 4th round match.
SamCoreJ 5 months ago
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In 1988, she became only the third woman and fifth tennis player to
win the Grand Slam - claiming the Australian Open, French Open,
Wimbledon and US Open in the same calendar year. On top of that, she
traveled to Seoul, Korea and won an Olympic Gold Medal, accomplishing
an unprecedented "Golden Slam."
nobody else will ever do it again "HAIL,SALUTE STEFFI
dwaynebuddha 7 months ago
Don't think I saw the ball once during that video...
mattkris2007 7 months ago
Did anyone else notice the error in the video? She did not win the Olympics in Sydney, she won in Seoul.
altatim 7 months ago
tennis was so slow back then!
eteokles3 8 months ago
queen of tennis !!! :)
pawel8282 9 months ago
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kingwillbe (also known as artisking) Steffi Graf GOAT Steffi Graf GOAT Steffi Graf GOAT Steffi Graf GOAT Steffi Graf GOAT Steffi Graf GOAT Steffi Graf GOAT Steffi Graf GOAT Steffi Graf GOAT Steffi Graf GOAT Steffi Graf GOAT Steffi Graf GOAT Steffi Graf GOAT Accept the fact and get on with your life, Seles arse kisser, LOL LOL LOL
tenniscollector 9 months ago
Amazing Steffi Graf,..The Golden Slam Woman..!!!
TGTProjects 9 months ago
Thanks for posting this clip. The last part should be SEOUL instead of Sydney Olympics.
TheDeborahfan 10 months ago
And she was still and awkward teenager. Look at her at time 8:47. She got better looking as she got older. Always had good legs, though.
DexterHaven49 11 months ago
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best female tennis player EVER
EVER and..........
EVER !!!!
Arjetube 1 year ago
Amazing...Win a slam is something special,but there are no words to explane a GOLDEN GRAND SLAM....
Enri1989 1 year ago
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Graf fan = Federer fan
Seles fan = Nadal fan????
Is this a trend you identify with? I was a devoted Monica fan and now support Rafa. Just curious if Steffi fans tend to be supporters of Rogers also.
davejrogers 1 year ago
@davejrogers Steffi's biggest fan probably..and dislike Fed extremely..almost hate..haha :P
saravoxy 1 year ago
@davejrogers yes
dhollseed 1 year ago
@davejrogers guess so, because in germany and switzerland the language is the same.
bochum123123 1 year ago
@davejrogers i am a steffi fan but i prefer nadal to roger...
I stopped liking roger after he started becoming immodest during his invincible ( so called ) days.
before that i was a major fan of roger.
mithungangolli 9 months ago
Poor Natasha! She, and her fans, finally got retribution at Wimbledon in '98.
davejrogers 1 year ago
@davejrogers How? Jana Novotna won Wimbledon in '98.
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SteffiGrafTribute 1 year ago
Best women's player of all time.
ShadeXH 1 year ago
...by the way Steffi won the Gold Medal in Seoul not Sidney...but it doesnt matter finally :-)
greets to all of u big tennis fans!!!
musicforgays 1 year ago
@musicforgays graf also won the gold medal at the la games in 1984 when tennis was a demo sport
dwaynebuddha 1 year ago
I like Monica I like Steffi, and when they both played against each other it was always hard, good and tough...Why can't we just have a good friendly view on it. Steffi won a lot of Grand Slams, and Monica won in her few years amazingly many Grand slams before stabbed. Both should be respected and no one should argue about the situation that something did happen. Sure Monica would have won a lot more Grand Slams, but also I am sure that Steffi would have proofen to be the amazing player. Respect
Sepir29 1 year ago 12
@Sepir29 First decent comment I've seen in my video :)
Guillemarti 1 year ago 5
@Sepir29 It's because they are very different players, almost polar opposites in terms of play style, personality (on court and off court), and fortune. So if you adore one of them, it is quite likely that you will not be very fond of the other, unless you are very open-minded.
iOnlySignIn 1 year ago
You will always remain the "Queen of Tennis" .. We miss this woman :)
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this was the start of 10years of destruction that will never be surpassed..Seles never deserved to be on the same court as graf ...eg wimby 92.regardless of the generation graf came out on top no-one could hit the ball hard enough no-one could out pace her no-one had better footwork god only knows how many grand slams she would have won had she not had injuries in the last years of her career....the greatest of all time ...bet ur ass she was
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@dwaynebuddha
Never deserved to be on the same court as Graf yet she's the one who dethroned the so-called GOAT as a fresh 16 year old. Djokovic is the only great talent from Serbia ever found by Jelena Gencic after Monica Seles. Look with your own eyes where he is now!
She's feared by many that one crazed fan thought there's no way Graf could ever regain the ranking without some "help" LOL
volvariella 7 months ago
@volvariella she never beat graf consistenly even wen seles was number 1 graf won most their matches BTW career h2h 15-5 graf
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@volvariella
Graf would have been #1 again anyway if she had beaten Seles at the FO 93.
Which she was quite capable of considering that they were 1-1 H2H on clay when Seles was #1 pre-stabbing and 3-2 H2H on all surfaces combined. Seles won only with 10-8 in the third set of the FO 92 final.
To suggest Steffi could not have beaten Seles in a FO 93 final (provided Seles would have made the final in the first place!) is ridiculous.
Hoffenheim08 7 months ago
In my opinion,steffi graf was the best of all time.
zaireanboy 1 year ago
the match where graf defeated zvereva 6-0 6-0 to win the french open, that must be so embarrassing to be defeated that easily...aaa!
jmahrky 1 year ago
I can't even see the ball
Prolife29 1 year ago
6-0, 6-0 in a grad slam final? OUCH for Zvereva!
AsksOneThing 1 year ago
Happy Birthday to the greatest, Steffi Graf!!!!!!!
lookscudkill 1 year ago
Steffi is the GREATEST.
Salva46 1 year ago
And Seles did not regain her form because of the stabbing but because her dad passed away and the emergence of Hingis and the Williams sisters.
am22able 1 year ago
How is any discussion of Monica Seles relevant to this video?? Seles did not hit the scene in any force until 1990/1991.
1988 was a magical year and as a huge sports fan, I still consider this feat by Steffi Graf to be the best feat of the modern era, perhaps the best of all time. Not only did she win the calendar grand slam but she beat her top foes in the finals and then capped it off with a gold medal.
am22able 1 year ago
The photo of Graf with the gold medal appears to be from 1984, when she won the demonstration tennis event at the Los Angeles Olympics as a fifteen-year-old.
newmark401 1 year ago
Steffi Graf is an opportunist.
Never has she ever admitted during any interview that the Seles stabbing boosted her career bigtime
italo36 1 year ago 45
@italo36
What a dumb lie.
Not even a nice try ...
Hoffenheim08 1 year ago
@italo36 Opportunist? Steffi had won 9 grand slams before Monica won her first. Wasn't her fault she was stabbed. Steffi is the greatest female tennis player ever. Learn to live with it asshole.
18741882 1 month ago
Steffi won 22 slams because Monica Seles was stabbed...everybody knows that...that is why their will always be a controversy, doubt and question marks in regards to all those slams.
italo36 1 year ago 38
@italo36
Monica won her slams only because Steffi was in a slump due to family problems (blackmail scandal etc.). Steffi lost 5 matches in a row to Sabatini! No wonder the 2nd-best player (Seles) profited from that.
Hoffenheim08 1 year ago
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darius3000 1 year ago
@darius3000 Could you explain why you say such a disgusting thing?
Guillemarti 1 year ago
@darius3000 U IDIOT
dwaynebuddha 1 year ago
I am a big fan of both Steffi Graf and Monica Seles. I just hate it when Seles fans post comments about the stabbing in Steffi Graf tribute videos like this. This is a video about Steffi Graf. The stabbing had nothing to do with this.
rinor28 1 year ago
@rinor28
Those Seles fanatics don't have anything else but woulda-coulda-shoulda.
Mostly they are the same in their private lives. It is eerie, but Seles attracts this kind of people.
Hoffenheim08 1 year ago
wow
simplicite2010 1 year ago
the only one who stopped Graff's invasion was Seles..!That is what you should admire Monica coming from Yogoslavia and Being the dominant force in womens tennis in the early 90's
milot1masha 2 years ago
her poor opponent in the French. to be bageled in the final
Cwilson758 2 years ago
Wel graf is so good in clay! She slides well in the courts!
ning100781 2 years ago
Hit to Stefi's backhand all day, Chris. It's not going to work. We likely shall never see another woman who hits underspin on 95% of her backhands. And it was not a floaty cupcake underspin, but a driving and biting shot. Amazing player.
pitbull103 2 years ago
@pitbull103
It was working actually. Chrissie was 2 points from the 2nd set. Later in the tie-breaker, she got a bad line call, and made an unforced error on the 1st two points.
RaleighNC306 2 years ago
And now we know that linesmen made mistakes probably 50% of the time. Chris was a fantastic player, but a new era had arrived.
pitbull103 2 years ago
Not always effective. It depends on the surfaces and who is at the other side of the net:)
volvariella 1 year ago
Agreed. Against Lindsay Davenport in the Wimbledon final, the slice did not have the bit she wanted.
However, you'd have to say that 20 slams or so is pretty solid proof that the vast majority found it difficult to deal with.
Take care and be well.
pitbull103 1 year ago
1988 was Stefi's year. Not only did she win the Golden Grand Slam that year but she also won the gold medal at the 1988 Seoul Olympics. Your body has to be sooo conditioned and fit, and mentally strong, to pull that off!!
SarangHae3 2 years ago
Sydney Olympics? Thought it was in Seoul ;o)
suomi27783 2 years ago
Steffi did visit Monica...Steffi always admits that Seles, not Nvaratilova, was her toughest competitor...Seles was the dominant player and beat Graf in 3 of 4 slam finals prior to being stabbed...but Graf earned her wins anyways but she certainly would not have had 22...and snowbunny...Maragret Court has 24...so Steffi not the best in terms of titles...
J99ETC 2 years ago
Guys,is it true,that Steffi Graf didn't visited Monica Seles in hospital,after knife attack?
If it' true,than it's shame...
wolfmne 2 years ago
Steffi Graf was brilliant!! what a great combination of power and finesse in her game and not to mention her great mental toughness. She was on a level higher that everyone else because she won in every surface. It was such a treat to have seen her play. She is the best tennis player of all time. Love you steffi!!
lenny886 2 years ago
I'm sorry to say I have to agree that Seles was better. Quoting stats will never be a true representation of what would have happened had she not been stabbed and coming into her prime. Had she been stabbed at 30 and been robbed of her later years, would have been a different story. Graf is awesome for sure but Seles slightly better.
StevieNicksfann 2 years ago
BTW last match they played was 1999 french open....graf won that as well
dwaynebuddha 2 years ago
I have never heard of a sporting controversy that has lingered on for years like "who was better...Graf or Seles" graf has been retired for ten freakin years now ,but still the bitching by envious seles fans.The only perons that have stayed out of this bullshit has been seles and graf ...neither making a comment on the issue.....shame the fans couldnt do the same
dwaynebuddha 2 years ago
my goodness...pleeeeeeease post the right pic from her olympic triumph...the pic you have posted is from her olympic triumph 1984 in los angeles,when tennis was a test- competition
mbergkvist 2 years ago
its great.......
ABAEZfantastic 2 years ago
Why do Seles fanatics have to hijack every single video Graf is in? It's pathetic. This is a video about 1988 so Monica Seles is irrelevant!
lionheart007 2 years ago
BTW,Graf actually could have done another golden slam in 96 if she was fit enough to appear in the AO and the Olympics.That again shows why was the best ever.
varrrr 2 years ago
Seles never beat graf at 100%.NEVER!Graf,on the other hand had a head to head advantage even during 91,92,93 which was Monica's best period.
varrrr 2 years ago
they both had issues! but for me Steffi is the best player of all time!
mnkylondon 2 years ago
grafs record compared to seles is like comparing chalk to cheese,it took seles 2 yrs to come back from a 5 cm cut graf was better before seles got stabbed better after and still better.and all seles fan crybabies can bitch all u like but seles was to weak to come back for 2 yrs ,during which time no-one could beat steffi so is graf better .....DAM RIGHT
dwaynebuddha 2 years ago
Wat a load of crap!! yep seles beat graf a few times b4 seles got smashed at wimbledon,what isn't realized is graf was closing the rankings gap at a alarming rate b4 the stabbing.Seles proved how weak she was wen it took her 2 years to come back and wen she did she was fat and unfit.........seles record compared to graf is crap and she doesnt deserve to be spoken in the same breathe as graf .....she was always better
dwaynebuddha 2 years ago
seles destroyed graf in their last match before her stabbing you retard,she showed how she was pulling away from graf with 8 aces to grafs 1 in that match and it was the first match where seles out aced graf it proved how seles was entering her prime and getting much stromnger than graf.
jayfey77 2 years ago
easy to win a grand slam with no seles around yet,funny how when seles appeared graf was only able to win wimbledon she couldnt even win the masters at the end of the year either.
jayfey77 2 years ago
You know that her fans have an excuse for every loss...
They forget that by early 1993, to the exception of Wimbledon, Seles had the same number of major titles (or more) at the French (3-2), the Australian (3-3), the US Open (2-2) and the Masters (3-2).
What Parche did caused the biggest change in tennis. Seles was on to be in the same league as the greats Evert and Navratilova. It's a sad story
juju1305 2 years ago 8
You really think Seles would have won many slams in 1993-98 with her dad dying of cancer?
LOL ...
Hoffenheim08 2 years ago
Well, she still made 4 finals in 1995-1998 being far from her best level. And he was dying at that point.
So why on earth would she be less good than that ? She won the freaking 1993 AO and I don't see how graf could beat her that year on clay. Could hardly beat Fernandez...
juju1305 2 years ago
What sort of a comment is this. Fernandez often took Seles to 3 sets. Lame argument!
adsie79 2 years ago
wrong. Seles won the last 15 matches they played and only 4 of them went to 3 sets.
juju1305 2 years ago
And Graf beat Fernandez 17 times with no losses and was taken to 3 sets only 3 times.... so what's your POINT??!!!!!
adsie79 2 years ago
my point is, you were saying that Fernandez often took seles to 3 sets, I gave you the stat proving you wrong and you pull out the Graf stat (which is not what you were talking about).
juju1305 2 years ago
before stabing, sese played with graf like a cat plays with a mouse
After stabing, story is different,
AbrahamicMonotheist 2 years ago
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Before stabbing Graf won most matches against Seles.
After stabbing Graf won most matches against Seles.
Thanks.
Hoffenheim08 2 years ago
but its not true, selse won most of grand slems, graf won maybee before 1990, after that, grafs backhand slice was no use and seles used that weak side of graf.
AbrahamicMonotheist 2 years ago
It is true.
Graf won most of her matches against Seles before Seles became #1. And Graf won most of her matches against Seles WHEN Seles was #1 pre-stabbing.
Check the stats, please.
Hoffenheim08 2 years ago
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volvariella 1 year ago
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volvariella 1 year ago
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Seles is about 5 years younger than Graf. And she's the no. 1 player prior to stabbing and would've remained there for years to come.
Seles beat Graf more in grand slams and would have continued to be her archnemesis whom Graf most feared if the stabbing hadn't occurred :) This is what people believe.
volvariella 1 year ago
@Hoffenheim08
When Monica seles was #1 and practically unbeatable and had a 3-1 advantage in slam finals against Graf and the last match they played before the stabbing was also won by Monica 4-6,6-3,6-2 in the aussie final and Seles had won 7 of the 8 slams she entered so she was the clear dominant player and nothing stood in her way besides a Graf fan who stabbed Monica to HELP STEFFI GRAF BE #1 AGAIN, so check your stats before making such statements.
italo36 1 year ago 6
@italo36
When Monica Seles was #1 she lost 75 % of her matches against Steffi Graf.
In her two best years Seles lost 6 and 5 matches per year.
Graf lost only 2 in 1987, only 3 in 1988, only 2 in 1989, only 2 in 1995 and only 4 in 1996. Navratilova lost only 3 matches in 1982, only 1 match in 1983, only 2 matches in 1984 and only 3 matches in 1986.
THEY were #1s who where "practically unbeatable".
Not Seles.
Hoffenheim08 1 year ago
@Hoffenheim08 i say this with much respect to Steffi Graf but i am
a Seles fan. Graf became a pro in 1982, Seles in '89. At the time of the stabbing Graf had won 11 slams in 11 years of becoming a pro. Thats 1 slam per year.
Seles till April '93 had won 8 in 4 and a half years. Graf reached the final of wimbledon only in her 4th attempt. Seles reached the final in her 3rd attempt.
alanis9090 1 year ago
@alanis9090
In 1982 Steffi played exactly one match. At age 13 years and 4 months.
Seles started on the WTA tour in March 1988, aged 14 years and 3 months.
Why only didn't Steffi make it to the Wimbledon main draw in 1983? After all she was already 14 years and zero months old.
I can't explain why Steffi didn't win slams in her first pro year (1982) either. After all she started her pro career in October that year.
Idiot.
Hoffenheim08 1 year ago
@Hoffenheim08 i thought we were having a discussion. you did not have to get personal.
as a tennis fan i love Graf, especially for winning the french in '99 beating the very in form hingis. But as most tennis experts agree, had the stabbing not taken place, Seles would have won more than 9 slams and Graf less than 22. Is that such a bad thing?
btw thanks for the prompt response. And I am not an idiot an i know you are not one either.
peace.
alanis9090 1 year ago
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@alanis9090
I have heard this "Graf became a pro in 1982, Seles in 1989" too often in the last 15 years. As an argument it is one thing - idiotic.
As is counting Steffi playing the 1983 Wimbledon qualies one week after her 14th (!) birthday and drawing conclusions from that for a comparison Graf/Seles on their Wimbledon (!) capabilities. Idiotic.
If you don't want to be called "idiot" why then posting idiotic "arguments"?
Hoffenheim08 1 year ago
@Hoffenheim08 God bless you.
I hope you realise niether Graf nor Seles care for your arguments, idiotic or otherwise.
alanis9090 1 year ago 3
@alanis9090 ok im a graf fan as well and yea the stabbing did end one of the most talked about rivalries in the modern era and maybe seles would have won more grand slams ,I do know one thing ,Graf was a perfectionist she wouldnt have been happy being no2 forever she would have figured out how t beat seles like she beat everybody else
dwaynebuddha 1 year ago
@dwaynebuddha
She even won most of her matches against a #1 Seles.
Even after the stabbing both had some wonderful matches (USO 95, YEC 98, FO 99).
Hoffenheim08 1 year ago
@dwaynebuddha i do not disagree.
and the proof of that is the fo final agianst hingis.
now that was legendary.
alanis9090 1 year ago
@alanis9090 lol yea but i think her semi against seles was a better match .....hingis imploded
dwaynebuddha 1 year ago
@dwaynebuddha yeah it was a tough match but i remember when monica lost serve at 4-4 in the final set, she looked so beat she needed a hug and steffi was all pumped up. she knew she was in the final right then. but the final against hingis was special because she was behind hingis for most of the match.
i think graf was her best from 96-99. that's when she started playing with so much more mental strength.
alanis9090 1 year ago
@dwaynebuddha I am a big fan of Steffi as well, but I do disagree. Steffi always put out that once you have been nr. 1 for a long time, it does not matter to you anymore. She always said records, numbers and stuff did not matter to her. She only wanted to play good tennis and to be satisfied with the way she played. God, she sometimes even was not satisfied when she won when she made too many mistakes...
SirToby2512 1 year ago
@SirToby2512 good point
dwaynebuddha 1 year ago
@alanis9090 graf lost to nav in 87 before beating here in 88 .....dam wat a year 88.....it will never be matched
dwaynebuddha 1 year ago
Why didn't Seles win the grand slam in 1997-2003 when Steffi was no force anymore?
Funny how Seles started to win slams when Graf was side-tracked by a family scandal ...
Hoffenheim08 2 years ago
are you retarded,seles was only half the player she wasd after the stabbing you fool she wasnt even close to being the same player before the stabbing losing the french open final to arantxa proves that since she had beaten her in straight sets at the french before the stabbing.
jayfey77 2 years ago
Best tennis player ever! Love you Steffi! XXX
mnkylondon 2 years ago
Good glory! How'd you like to be double bagelled in the freaking FINAL of a major? Poor lady got steamrolled.
AsksOneThing 2 years ago
it would have been elegant to let her win at least a game...
juju1305 2 years ago
Get real, players have come back from 6-0, 5-0 down to win sometimes. When you are playing someone who was good enough to win 6 matches vs the best players in the world to reach a slam final you cant ever take the chance to just give them a game or two to be nice.
heninwarrior 2 years ago
Like someone EVER did that against Graf?
Zvereva achieved that feat against Tauziat at Eastbourne. Tauziat was leading 6-0 3-0, let her play and lost, but she was no Steffi.
Zvereva made it to the final in 1 of the weakest fields (given the surface at that time) beating Navratilova (her worst surface), Sukova and Bradtke. the sole threat to Steffi was Sabatini, and Steffi beat her in 2 tight sets. The final was a stroll and Graf herself admitted later that she should have left her a game.
juju1305 2 years ago
She's incredibly, is Graf!
shirgen6 2 years ago
la dernière image représente la victoire de steffi non pas aux JO de Séoul mais à ceux de Los Angeles en 1984 ;-)
corresebastien 2 years ago
The 1988 Olympics took place in Seoul, South Korea. Sydney was the 2000 Olympics.
stipe78 2 years ago 10