@scottpettit1 maybe the car or truck was off the road way it would make sense for the rescue to be there first in it is easier to pack a patient then a shit load of rescue tools. so at some point the rescue is going to have to pass the bus. You mean to tell me that you as an EVO you have never passed another emergency vehicle going on a run.
You guys have the dumbest rules when it comes to this stuff in the states. Fuck in Canada we work together, emergency personal weather it be police, fire, or ambulance. We don't have restrictions. Just be smart like the other guy said with regard for the safety of others. Precious seconds do count.
Give the brothers some benefit of the doubt, they could have been talking on the radio and the ambulance may not have known the adress and asked the fire truck to pass them.
@fireman1975indi That is what I was thinking as well. There have been times where we asked the Medic chase truck to go around our ambulance and vice versa. These guys were moving a little fast though.
For these reasons, some control needs to be put in place. Common Sense is something not readily applied anymore. Certain conditions allows for certain responses......but always in a safe appropriate manor.
I to have concerns over speeding vehicles. In this video, it is hard to tell just what speeds are at play, but the Fire vehicle does appear to be trying to prove a point. Speed limits/Rules have been put in place by various services because of individuals who push the limits. I was in a 3500 gallon Tanker with such a person who chose to drive into a town at 70 MPH in a 25 MPH zone and didn't want to slow down even with my urging. His comment,"if we crash, they will only need body bags"
Why do we always have to turn it into a battle between services??!! I have 30 yrs Fire and 20 yrs EMS expirience and have worked with our Police in varying capacities. It is possible to cross train and be good at all of them....and maybe "Walk a mile in the others shoes" so you understand the other side of the fence.
Good point, you can train anyone to be a Firetruck driver but you can't train a Firetruck driver to be a Paramedic. They generally aren't bright enough!!!
I would love to meet the IDIOT behind the wheel of the fire apparatus. No vehicle traveling Code 3 (lights and siren) should pass another.....EVER. And yes, I am VERY experienced at driving Code 3.
@scottpettit1 Not ever? I have. We were responding to a rollover accident 30 miles out of town. We got stuck behind the County FD Engine which could go no faster than 55 up a 10 mile long grade on a 4 lane split interstate highway. Our ambulance can easily go 90 up that same grade. We passed them and arrived first on scene with ALS care. The County Engine arrived a full 10 minutes later. Still don't think we should EVER pass each other if safe to do so?
@RipFlm Police officer, firefighter and county Paramedic. Additionally I have worked both helo and fixed wing aeromedical on an international level, set up a state air ambulance program, been medical officer on a mountain search and rescue team, taught helo rescue on a state level, race track medic......
@scottpettit1 Correction: As a Paramedic, I'm totally fine with an officer passing me as their cruisers are faster and more nimble. On many a hairy call, such as suicide attempts, if I saw an officer behind me, I'd pull over to let them pass.
But an engine should never pass an ambulance. THat's just the FD trying to go "We beat EMS to most calls"
@Linussbugg I agree. In the case where a PD is responding to YOUR call and the scene is not secure, then by all means let them get there. If medical and FS are responding to the same call, there is no need to pass unless the lead vehicle is having problems.
The video that is the subject of this discussion shows the fire apparatus passing at a high rate of speed so I assume that they were not following the medic and felt that they needed to pass. I may be wrong.
@scottpettit1 do you know if you have to pull over and stop for emergency vehicles when you are on 3 lane highways? I know you have to atleast switch lanes
@turdsandwicher It depends on your state vehicle code. Most states require that on a roadway with 3 or more lanes (each direction), you must pull to the right most lane. On a roadway with 2 lanes in each direction, you must pull to the right most lane and stop.
@scottpettit1 You do not know the whole story. I am also very experienced as well. I am a state certified evip/evoc instructor as well as a career firefighter. Many times enroute to a fire call when our apparatus was behind and ambulance, the ambulance company would call us on the radio and tell us to go around. It happens more often then not.
@scottpettit1 You have no idea what the circumstance of the call was. There was most likely a very good reason for the rescue to pass the medic and was probably done so with radio communication between the vehicles. "NEVER EVER" is nonsense posturing done by so many of you "Youtube Fire Chiefs".
@scottpettit1 What about during a police chase? : P The police cars should drive in a single file line? I think it's up to the discretion of the driver, the location, and what that person's department's policies are on driving, etc. Not YOUR opinions and YOUR experiences.
@scottpettit1 Well what if one crew doesnt know where they are going???? Are you going to stay behind them and not get there??? we had that a few weeks ago accident with entrapment, we were training with two other companies who brought one engine and one ladder we all left for it, the visitng engine got out before us, we passed them because they did not know where they had to go they were in the right direction but no clue, so we passed them and so did ladder crew but we all got there safe!
@scottpettit1 I disagree to an extent. It's a judgement and communication issue depending on the nature of the call and necessity of specific apparatus first on-scene. If you communicate, pick a safe spot, and the rig being overtaken confirms the yield and safety to take the pass? no issues. IE, call clear, pull right, slow down, pick it back up once passed. Example: single lane roads to access a structure fire. Ambulance first on-scene typically ends up slowing or blocking access.
@qazwas2001 In my department? 90% of the times I was running code in my engine it was to a fire call, 100% of the code time in the tanker. EMS actually handled their part on their own without need for firefighters unless it was an odd call that required additional manpower due to hoarding, need of setting up an LZ, or a lift assist due to patient obesity.
@scottpettit1 you cannot create an all-inclusive condition such as "EVER". What if an ambulance is driving code 3 20MPH below the speed limit and fire is responding to confirmed structure fire with occupants? The only IDIOT is someone who cannot think past what they see.
You same like a flaming retard. You ever heard of Paramedic Trained Firefighters? I don't know what state you reside in, but in Texas there are alot of them. And the majority of Fire Departments here run a Rescue for EMS calls, which are staffed by those "hose monkeys".
The only reason you are probably just a Paramedic is because you couldn't pass the Civil Service Exam.
@Newschaser "When calling 911 be sure and give the proper information so EMS doesn't have to respond HOT when its not a real emergency, putting motorists and pedestrians at risk for nothing." +1 awesome. But don't forget putting themselves at higher risk as well... also this video makes sense, as the largest vehicle should go to the call first.
Kind of funny how a large fire truck has no speed restrictions and an ANB ambulance has a 20 km/hr over speed limit restriction...witch one should have such a restriction do you think, and don't get me wrong, i'm a ANB medic and i'm all for the speed restrictions...
@medic431ca I'm a firefighter and don't think there should be a speed restriction on either. Mainly, because we should all drive to the conditions. And I think in certain cases, those precious seconds or minutes could make a difference. Being tied up at 20 over in certain places is kinda silly.
@trainboy1979 Many states have no provisions that allow any emergency vehicle to go over the posted speed limit instead they say to drive with due reguard for the safety of others. In most cases you will not gain enough time due to speed anyway to make the risk of driving fast worth it. There are times when conditions allow, you can push it a bit but remember a fire truck does not drive like a sports car. By the way I am a 30 year veteran and and conduct drivers training classes.
@trainboy1979 i'd have to disagree with you. my station is a strictly EMS, no engines/trucks, but even with the rescues which weigh significantly less than any of the fire apparatus, stopping distances from higher speeds are HUGE. speeding while rolling code is not only dumb, its straight out reckless IMO. it is impossible to successfully pull off an emergency maneuver when going at high speeds in vehicles weighing 5+ TONS!!!. those precious seconds you speak of can kill you and your partner
@trainboy1979 so u willing to put ur crew at risk and public at risk for your stupidity just to get to a call?
maxagonzales 1 week ago
No apparatus should not pass each other unless authorized by the other rig
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@scottpettit1 maybe the car or truck was off the road way it would make sense for the rescue to be there first in it is easier to pack a patient then a shit load of rescue tools. so at some point the rescue is going to have to pass the bus. You mean to tell me that you as an EVO you have never passed another emergency vehicle going on a run.
irishfireguy 1 month ago
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irishfireguy 1 month ago
Just plain foolish. We have A GOG for fd 10 km over spped limit max, and passing another emergency vehicle really ???
shelby34ns 1 month ago
thats it, next time i have a problem, i want a firetruck to take me to the hospital!! :P
weiserbud67 2 months ago
thats funny, fuck people
kevinchajka2010 2 months ago
You guys have the dumbest rules when it comes to this stuff in the states. Fuck in Canada we work together, emergency personal weather it be police, fire, or ambulance. We don't have restrictions. Just be smart like the other guy said with regard for the safety of others. Precious seconds do count.
VirtualVendetta 2 months ago 3
truck with nos..
ambulance with oxygen
dewi624 3 months ago
Give the brothers some benefit of the doubt, they could have been talking on the radio and the ambulance may not have known the adress and asked the fire truck to pass them.
fireman1975indi 3 months ago
@fireman1975indi That is what I was thinking as well. There have been times where we asked the Medic chase truck to go around our ambulance and vice versa. These guys were moving a little fast though.
XxNINJA636xX 3 months ago
If its a Fire Call, pass his ass, and the ambo should have let him by. It is was a medical the the FF driver the truck was out of line....IMO
MrProfire 3 months ago
For these reasons, some control needs to be put in place. Common Sense is something not readily applied anymore. Certain conditions allows for certain responses......but always in a safe appropriate manor.
dbtdaffy 3 months ago
I to have concerns over speeding vehicles. In this video, it is hard to tell just what speeds are at play, but the Fire vehicle does appear to be trying to prove a point. Speed limits/Rules have been put in place by various services because of individuals who push the limits. I was in a 3500 gallon Tanker with such a person who chose to drive into a town at 70 MPH in a 25 MPH zone and didn't want to slow down even with my urging. His comment,"if we crash, they will only need body bags"
dbtdaffy 3 months ago
Why do we always have to turn it into a battle between services??!! I have 30 yrs Fire and 20 yrs EMS expirience and have worked with our Police in varying capacities. It is possible to cross train and be good at all of them....and maybe "Walk a mile in the others shoes" so you understand the other side of the fence.
dbtdaffy 3 months ago
Good point, you can train anyone to be a Firetruck driver but you can't train a Firetruck driver to be a Paramedic. They generally aren't bright enough!!!
1971tdog 3 months ago 3
@1971tdog not true......
kb1obc 3 months ago
I would love to meet the IDIOT behind the wheel of the fire apparatus. No vehicle traveling Code 3 (lights and siren) should pass another.....EVER. And yes, I am VERY experienced at driving Code 3.
scottpettit1 4 months ago 47
@scottpettit1 Not ever? I have. We were responding to a rollover accident 30 miles out of town. We got stuck behind the County FD Engine which could go no faster than 55 up a 10 mile long grade on a 4 lane split interstate highway. Our ambulance can easily go 90 up that same grade. We passed them and arrived first on scene with ALS care. The County Engine arrived a full 10 minutes later. Still don't think we should EVER pass each other if safe to do so?
greg3564 3 months ago
@scottpettit1 as what a mall security guard?
RipFlm 3 months ago
@RipFlm Police officer, firefighter and county Paramedic. Additionally I have worked both helo and fixed wing aeromedical on an international level, set up a state air ambulance program, been medical officer on a mountain search and rescue team, taught helo rescue on a state level, race track medic......
And what do you do?
scottpettit1 3 months ago
@scottpettit1 Correction: As a Paramedic, I'm totally fine with an officer passing me as their cruisers are faster and more nimble. On many a hairy call, such as suicide attempts, if I saw an officer behind me, I'd pull over to let them pass.
But an engine should never pass an ambulance. THat's just the FD trying to go "We beat EMS to most calls"
Linussbugg 3 months ago 2
@Linussbugg I agree. In the case where a PD is responding to YOUR call and the scene is not secure, then by all means let them get there. If medical and FS are responding to the same call, there is no need to pass unless the lead vehicle is having problems.
The video that is the subject of this discussion shows the fire apparatus passing at a high rate of speed so I assume that they were not following the medic and felt that they needed to pass. I may be wrong.
scottpettit1 3 months ago
@scottpettit1 do you know if you have to pull over and stop for emergency vehicles when you are on 3 lane highways? I know you have to atleast switch lanes
turdsandwicher 3 months ago
@turdsandwicher It depends on your state vehicle code. Most states require that on a roadway with 3 or more lanes (each direction), you must pull to the right most lane. On a roadway with 2 lanes in each direction, you must pull to the right most lane and stop.
scottpettit1 3 months ago
@scottpettit1 Why shouldn't they? (I'm being serious,IDK)
gamer4585 3 months ago
@gamer4585 Why shouldn't they what?
scottpettit1 3 months ago
@scottpettit1 pass another vehicle going code3
gamer4585 3 months ago
@scottpettit1 Looks like it happening again at the :17 second mark. Still bad or is it okay cuz its the Ambo doing the passing this time??
MrProfire 3 months ago
@scottpettit1 You do not know the whole story. I am also very experienced as well. I am a state certified evip/evoc instructor as well as a career firefighter. Many times enroute to a fire call when our apparatus was behind and ambulance, the ambulance company would call us on the radio and tell us to go around. It happens more often then not.
drummerguy187 2 months ago
@scottpettit1 You have no idea what the circumstance of the call was. There was most likely a very good reason for the rescue to pass the medic and was probably done so with radio communication between the vehicles. "NEVER EVER" is nonsense posturing done by so many of you "Youtube Fire Chiefs".
NorthShoreFire3 2 months ago 4
@scottpettit1 What about during a police chase? : P The police cars should drive in a single file line? I think it's up to the discretion of the driver, the location, and what that person's department's policies are on driving, etc. Not YOUR opinions and YOUR experiences.
billyshob 2 months ago
@scottpettit1 Well what if one crew doesnt know where they are going???? Are you going to stay behind them and not get there??? we had that a few weeks ago accident with entrapment, we were training with two other companies who brought one engine and one ladder we all left for it, the visitng engine got out before us, we passed them because they did not know where they had to go they were in the right direction but no clue, so we passed them and so did ladder crew but we all got there safe!
Moose82690 2 months ago
@scottpettit1 Prob does a better job then you.
Phatxam 2 months ago
@scottpettit1 I disagree to an extent. It's a judgement and communication issue depending on the nature of the call and necessity of specific apparatus first on-scene. If you communicate, pick a safe spot, and the rig being overtaken confirms the yield and safety to take the pass? no issues. IE, call clear, pull right, slow down, pick it back up once passed. Example: single lane roads to access a structure fire. Ambulance first on-scene typically ends up slowing or blocking access.
rangerman375 2 months ago
@rangerman375 How often does a fire truck actually go to a fire?
qazwas2001 1 month ago
@qazwas2001 In my department? 90% of the times I was running code in my engine it was to a fire call, 100% of the code time in the tanker. EMS actually handled their part on their own without need for firefighters unless it was an odd call that required additional manpower due to hoarding, need of setting up an LZ, or a lift assist due to patient obesity.
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@scottpettit1 you cannot create an all-inclusive condition such as "EVER". What if an ambulance is driving code 3 20MPH below the speed limit and fire is responding to confirmed structure fire with occupants? The only IDIOT is someone who cannot think past what they see.
ntjannetta 1 month ago
@scottpettit1 AGREED !
firefighteremt911 2 weeks ago
Hose monkeys get there first only to wait for real medical treatment. Not very bright those guys.
1971tdog 4 months ago
@1971tdog Real medics do not drag hose and/or ride up and down a "pole" everyday at station.
exfb64 4 months ago
@1971tdog
You same like a flaming retard. You ever heard of Paramedic Trained Firefighters? I don't know what state you reside in, but in Texas there are alot of them. And the majority of Fire Departments here run a Rescue for EMS calls, which are staffed by those "hose monkeys".
The only reason you are probably just a Paramedic is because you couldn't pass the Civil Service Exam.
BC1Dan 3 months ago
0:03 = the ultimate public safely drag race
JMCporsche 4 months ago
why is the firetruck passing ems while running code ? not safe at all
fireman9576 4 months ago 3
lmao what a great video
cmanleyspy 4 months ago
yes
yannjsp1 4 months ago
Why on earth are they coding side by side? Incredibly dangerous.
ffmedic401 4 months ago 2
LE GO FIRE!!!!!!
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@Newschaser "When calling 911 be sure and give the proper information so EMS doesn't have to respond HOT when its not a real emergency, putting motorists and pedestrians at risk for nothing." +1 awesome. But don't forget putting themselves at higher risk as well... also this video makes sense, as the largest vehicle should go to the call first.
fattymcgee123 5 months ago
lol i think it is so funny for some reason... they look like they a racing to the call haha
Marine7R3 6 months ago 3
Why????
gizmotwadlebutt 10 months ago
If a fire vehicle crashes it causes more damage, we'll probably see VSP in their vehicles in the future...
labradorian123 10 months ago
Firetruck FTW!!! hahaha
RTPanther911 10 months ago
Nothing like a good ol 'fashion race to the emergency. XD
ClubCrew 10 months ago 3
Kind of funny how a large fire truck has no speed restrictions and an ANB ambulance has a 20 km/hr over speed limit restriction...witch one should have such a restriction do you think, and don't get me wrong, i'm a ANB medic and i'm all for the speed restrictions...
medic431ca 10 months ago
@medic431ca I'm a firefighter and don't think there should be a speed restriction on either. Mainly, because we should all drive to the conditions. And I think in certain cases, those precious seconds or minutes could make a difference. Being tied up at 20 over in certain places is kinda silly.
trainboy1979 10 months ago 17
@trainboy1979 speed doesn't save lives. good patient care does.
signed: The guy trying to help the injured but cant because the faster you go the harder you hit the breaks most on the time guy
tahner2002 3 months ago
@trainboy1979 Many states have no provisions that allow any emergency vehicle to go over the posted speed limit instead they say to drive with due reguard for the safety of others. In most cases you will not gain enough time due to speed anyway to make the risk of driving fast worth it. There are times when conditions allow, you can push it a bit but remember a fire truck does not drive like a sports car. By the way I am a 30 year veteran and and conduct drivers training classes.
mondo78 2 months ago
@trainboy1979 i'd have to disagree with you. my station is a strictly EMS, no engines/trucks, but even with the rescues which weigh significantly less than any of the fire apparatus, stopping distances from higher speeds are HUGE. speeding while rolling code is not only dumb, its straight out reckless IMO. it is impossible to successfully pull off an emergency maneuver when going at high speeds in vehicles weighing 5+ TONS!!!. those precious seconds you speak of can kill you and your partner
thefourshowflip 2 months ago