History does not lie.MAN is always at war,and always has been,and always will be.It's his nature,to fight to survive.NOW,Man has survived,and won.He rules the world.NOW,Man fights himself,to see who Rules.And when there is One World Government,Flag,Money,God,and People.By then Man will go out into the Universe to Rule it too.Only the ones who did not go,did not believe,the left behind,will stay.And finally start the Human Race.It will in a sense be Man kinds first really good DUMP.
How many times they have to lie to you before you can read between the lines & stop them sending your innocent boys in either mission to kill or suicidal mission.
"giving aid and comfort to the enemy." thats the same thing they say these days about anti-war protesters. it really makes me wonder what kind of war we are fighting when peace and truth takes the side of the enemy.
We haven't learned a thing in this Country,, STILL happening now in Afganistan! Was not a surprise to me in the film when Dan Ellsberg did NOT get the support from the American people he had hoped,, I know the feeling,,, No wonder Afganistan is happening! Are Americans That Asleep?! That,,,drugged, by Consumerism?! We are Screwed!
@TheKaos007 I've heard your sentiment repeatedly from conservatives(actually conservative should really be changed officially to TeaPartier) online. You don't see how undemocratic your statement is? I
@dientefrio09 I don't think anyone but : 1.uneducated/dim/blindly patriotic Americans ,or 2.conservative Americans who only see the world in terms of a zero sum game or benefit indirectly from US war industry, think the US is squeaky clean. However, compared to other nations in our class in terms of being world powers, such as the SU, Nazi Germany, WWII Japan, Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, China (Maoist and otherwise), Spain, Russia- the US doesn't come out great-yet it doesn't come out as t
I saw this back on the opening day... Really mind blowing at the time. Hard to describe the impact this movie had, it's something you had to see on kookíca at the time.
all political maggots will rot in hell. DAMN these Greedy idiots!!! Hell awaits all of you. DAMN all of you. Curse all of you!!! I pray to GOD that you never escape from the torments of hell!!!!
That US WAS the wrong side is precisely and literally what he means...Why is it so hard for you to recognize that US leaders , like unfortunately across the world, cheat, lie and are responsible for terrible atrocities??
It means that we, the USA, got involved in what was a civil war...we mistakenly thought the commies were coming to get us - wrong - it was a war between north and south vietnam - so we invaded vietnam - bombed the hell out of them - millions of vietnamese and tens of thousands of americans were killed - the secretary of defense during that time, years later admitted it was a mistake - thats why he said WE were the wrong side - and yes we were evil - only real patriots can admit their mistakes
I just hope everyone realizes that its not just the president. Its not just the Dems or Rep. Its all of them, and the pres is just the frontman and scapegoat. Then they try to put all the blame on the pres, and do it all over again with the next one
We still are the wrong side only now the government is not only the enemy of the world but the enemy of its own people. Why simply because government has evolved into a greed arm of the banking corporate world. It no longer acts as an overseer of the constitution but actually works to diminish and avoid it.
how can this happened twice, how come Bush went to IRak and then said "oops there were no weapons of mass destruction there, my mistake". They keep lying and people continue staring and forgiving or forgeting. And OSama Bin Laden? still alive, how the most powerful army, special forces or RAMBO (haha sorry) !!! cannot get him?? is everything a lie? all of you should claim for the government to get him as proof that everything is not a lie again as watergate, pentagon papers, irak...
Here's a video of an interview with director of 'The Most Dangerous Man in America' Judith Ehrlich, filmed in the studio of ABC Radio National in Sydney
I never heard of Daniel before I saw this movie recently in my documentary channel (in Israel) but now he's one of my heroes!! I love you so much Daniel Ellsberg! You did so much for the world! We All can do it! We CAN change the world for the better- Together! We are All One!
@LoveBeing53: Don't speak, DO. Go out and talk to people. Convince them. Create an opinion. And I already have an idea concerning what cause you could begin your career as a better man fora better world with: Returning the Golan heights to the Palestinians.
@GrahamChapman I'm sorry to say that I didn't like the last line you wrote me.. first of all I do not like when other people are telling others what they need to do- Each person needs to do what he or she believes in.. not what Others see as right.. Secondly, about the Golan- I assum you really don't know much about what's Really going on in Israel and based your "facts" on the news alone.. I would do much for world peace and Uniting All, but dealing with lands and countries is silly in my eyes.
@LoveBeing53: You are entitled to those opinions... Yeah, yeah, I read up on the Golan stuff afterwards and I know I was misinformed when I wrote that. But that problem is solved now, so yeah... I know that Israel belonged to the Palestinians, and the great powers of the west unrighfully gave away Palestina to the Jews as a compensation for what they had endured during WW2, and that's fucked up in my eyes... That's an impossible quest, you know. (More about that in the next comment.)
@GrahamChapman Oh boy... Listen, I myself do not like to deal with anything political, and believe me I do care even about the Arabs and do not like injustice myself.. BUT you really really do not know what you are talking about and I think that you and actually all the other countries in the world should STOP thinking they know everything and think that what they see and hear in the news is the only truth. We know how the Palstinians tell the world their side and totaly make Israel look bad..
@LoveBeing53: Oh yes, because surely you adhere a completely credible, objective and unaltered version of the truth. Gimme a break, not even you can believe that... And for your information, that there WAS a fact. Palestina was pretty much taken/stolen from the Palestianians by the great powers of the west (like Oh-So-Great Britain) and given away to the Jews because, awwh, they had suffered casualties, too.
@GrahamChapman Continued.. Even I do care for them, I do not like lies! I was a left wing in the past but now I choose not to be on any side anymore.. It is NOT true that Israel belonged to the Palestinians since they came from Jordan to begin with! Jordan got them out of their country (I wonder why..) and let Israel deal with them.. The Jewish people have been on this land thusands of years before any Arab nation. BUT like I said I think that all of this talk is nonsence- Borders do Not exist.
@LoveBeing53: May I ask you where you get your (mis)information from? The Palestinians, just like the Jews, had been a home-less people for a couple o' thousands of years. The geographical area Palestina existed, now it doesn't. Where'd it go? You're standing on it. Where'd the inhabitants go? Why, they were shoved off to a little strip of land... Yes, countries are an illusion. As countries are not the cultures or the languages housed within them; but only administrative area.
@GrahamChapman If all of the human beings would stop being so selfish and stupid- they would Realize that we are all the Same!! and anyhow All of us are not humans to begin with! We are All Souls! so why do we bicker and fight over land hat will Not be ours forever? We are supposed to Care for this planet! and not only think of ourselves.. The humans are fighting among themselves and in the meantime ruin the environment! Without the Earth- all of these wars or winning will mean nothing at all.
@LoveBeing53: You can ask humans to stop being selfish, that's a reasonable demand. But you can't ask them not to be stupid, since they are so from your subjective pov, and that makes your entire statement a selfish and (from my pov) stupid one... That's true, but here's the cruncher: Those who command the wars to be waged - aforementioned those in power - don't care. As long as they win and can live their lives as gods, they don't care what happens to everything and everyone else.
@GrahamChapman Listen.. I don't want to be dragged down into this blaming and angry talk.. I am Not representative of the Israeli government, and it's funny that you attack just the one who oppose most of its actions. It just shows you are more about fighting, hating and putting blames and not really into solutions. Its very easy to tell to someone Else but you what to do or not to do, but what do You do? Do you want me to start with that the USA government has done to the world over the years?
@LoveBeing53: I'm not angry; I'm a disillusionized cynic... No, I don't think fighting solves anything, so I'm opposed to that. But I do admit that I indulge in hating (and that I do so rather indiscriminately). Oh, if you have any sollutions that will work, (emphasis on that part,) please, do share them with me... No need to, I have a very good picture of what the USA have done throughout history, and I hate them with passion.
@GrahamChapman I just wanted to finish this nicely without any of the blames and anger we both unnecessarily brought here.. I do not take any side in this political issue because I know that Both sides are right, but unwilling to make compromises. The Israeli government is worried that the Palestinians will endanger the Israeli citizens (like happened in the past which caused all of this in the first place..) and the Palestinian government still doesn't do what it takes to promise that...
@GrahamChapman Last part.. (for today I guess) This is why I offer a solution that you judge as stupid but stupid in my eyes is trying to do something that already been done in the past but didn't work.. Still there're terrorists who are being supported by Hamas, and still the Israeli government doesn't trust all the Palestinians- even the good ones. This is why I would make One country for Jews & Arabs, but both sides don't want that unfortunately.. One World=One Humanity =Peace! The Truth! :-)
@LoveBeing53: No, I judged that your statement that "human beings" should "stop being" "stupid" was stupid. Who would decide what was "stupid" and how to deal with "stupid" humans, and what do you think should be done about the "stupid"s? ... You have a sollution, but only a theoretical one. For your sollution to work in practice, you'd first have to tear down our society to it's very foundations and then build an all new society from scratch. It's an impossible quest for anyone to carry out.
@GrahamChapman hi there friend! Now we're talking! Now that I know you don't have anything personal against me.. it's just that you have this hating/judgmental habit.. and believe me I know all about it myself.. This is why we are attracted to talking to one another in the first place.. same attracts same! But I'm a X-hater in recovery! :-) I'm really quite universal- Most humans are stupid.. and I'm not being judgmental on any race in particular.. ha ha! :-) I get you and where you come from.
@LoveBeing53: It's a habit the world has forced me into... In other words, you're a cynic trying to find his way back to idealism? Me, I'm trying another way: I'm attempting to become a cynical idealist... Sweden. I'm from Sweden. And don't think that it's an ideal country inhabited by open minded people who endorse equality and human rights. It was over 30 years ago Sweden was like that. These days, we're pretty much turning it into Little America.
@GrahamChapman It is much easier to just sit back, complain & hope for the world to end.. Because actually we do not need to do anything about it! I know that feeling.. But I must tell you- only those who're dissapointed of their own lives want the world to end- because actually what they want is their Own lives & world to end! But it Is possible! We just need to go the Other direction! to try and be more daring! more Loving! more optimistic! We don't have anything to lose by doing our best! :-)
@GrahamChapman About your question- I meant that the Israelis want to be sure & feel safe about giving away these lands, because the Palestinians still claim that one of their aims is to "destroy Israel"..at least this is what their leaders proudly say.. About solutions- there are No fast solutions to anything.. I'm just all about planting the seeds of love and trust.. I'm not about destroying the old, but fixing it into a new and better more loving way.. Do a Google search- "Peace Pilgrim" :-)
@LoveBeing53: As horrible as that goal is, I cannot deny that the hatred is an understandable and human response to what they've been put through... From a grander perspective, that sollution of yours will have been less than insignificant due to how this our society works. Me, I'm waiting and hoping for a major catastrophy that'll destroy our civilization so that we (or the survivors, at least) can build a new, hopefully better, world on the ashes of the old one... An admirable woman.
@GrahamChapman Your country is not the only one to becoming a little America.. I think that this might explain why there're opposing forces against the USA because it's just natural.. Unlike the catastrophy you are hoping for, I've walked this path before & was sure the end of the world was near in 1999 and nothing happened, now they say 2012..but ending the world will not make it better- on the contrary..Again we'll need to start from scratch- and it will be worse than before..so why do it? :-)
@GrahamChapman By the way you REALLY need to check your facts right before you write them.. The Golan Heights do not belong to the Palestinians at all! It is an issue between Syria and Israel.. But then again, I don not believe that giving back lands can really bring to peace.. The ONLY way to bring peace on Earth in my eyes- is stop seeing any boundaries altogether.. Stopping the separation between human beings and seeing All of us- including animals, plants and all of nature- as One whole.
@LoveBeing53: I read up on it... No, but it could be a good start at unifying humanity for one cause, don't you think? ... (Now to adress the impossible quest.) Yeah, but to do that you'd have to make every human on Earth share and agree with your perspectives, and as long as humans are separate individuals entitled to free will, there's always going to be many who disagrees with you. Not least because those in power have propaganda to ensure that the world remains the way they want it to be.
I remember when this was going on!!! I started to question our gov. policies back then. I can't believe it took 40 years for people to start to wake up!
US Empire Propaganda is very powerful, we need to engage in mainstream truth advertising on major networks, movies, radio, newspapers, and magazines, we need to beat hem at their own game.
Notice the increase in military recruiting ads on prime time TV sports and music channels.
The US Empire spends a billion dollars a year on military recruiting advertising and they do it because it works.
We need to stop military recruiting on TV and in schools.
Your last statement is SO NAIVE ! ...no doubt made from your safe environment /lifestyle provided /ensured by who ? ...The same military you espouse to eliminate.Wars are not caused by the military.
The benefits of freedom are taken so much for granted by so many of your ilk......Do a reality check ,and observe what's happening around the world these days..Democracy is in the most dangerous position it has ever been since WWII,and you want to stop your own defense. Very sad !
The most dangerous man in a democrasy was the one telling the truth. NO more secrecy. The sociopaths flourish in secrecy, social darwinism created by bankers make them rise to the top, the biggest, most clever liers and scammers rise. This is no democrasy.
And if America was winning, would there still've been protest? North vietnam wanted to take over south and dominate it with communist rule. " liberate " Just like Nazi Germany was going to "liberate" Europe right? Yet, declaring war on germany was the right thing and on north vietnam wrong? (Mind that things like holocaust and such were not known when America declared war.) It comes to this, it always has political economic reasons covered up with a ideologic reason.
What became known as the North Vietnamese were our allies in WW2.
On September 2, 1945, Ho Chi Minh addressed a crowd assembled in Hanoi:
"We hold truths that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, among these are life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.:
"This immortal statement is extracted from the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776.
These people did not have to become our enemies...
@givebirthathome They never have been your ennemies. It's not about people, it's about 20% of world population making wars to find a way to save an economic system. We are ALL pions. I really can't understand why Nixon has been elected twice.
@XScorpionX321 The extent of the Holocaust was not known (the full extent will never be known), but the US surely knew that the Nazis were committing genocide against many groups, and leaving a path of destruction in their wake as they rampaged through Europe. Of course, no one called it the Holocaust, but no one would use that term to describe what happened until long after WWII had ended.
the most evil are those who lead with a corrupt heart....no evil heart
when one have power on my be wise in not to abuse....sadly many civilizations,lives,lands are destroyed do to powerful people making selfish decision and actions.
That's not what he meant. The comment refers to Daniel Ellsberg's reaction upon obtaining access to the top secret Pentagon Papers that detailed the origin and nature of US involvement in Vietnam since 1945.
Ellsberg was also making the point that it was not a civil war, in the sense that the NLF (anti-VC) side was almost entirely funded by the US. When a war is primarily funded by foreign powers, it cannot be legitimately called a civil war.
Ellsberg, who had been a high-ranking member of the war establishment, released the Pentagon Papers -- thereby throwing away his career and risking many, many years in prison -- so that the American people could see that they had been systematically lied to about Vietnam. He came to realize that, in Vietnam, the United States government was the wrong side and had to be stopped.
@Zepher50 "Evil" is a useless, reductionist term. What he meant is that our country, through actions of the President, broke the law. What we did, as with what we did by going into Iraq, was illegal. As evidenced by Iraq, we learned nothing from these earlier mistakes, probably because no one was ever made to pay for those earlier mistakes.
Government is evil and deceptive...all of them, not the People...those whom seek to be superior to the people and control/manipulate the people by way of the "Government"
The American Government, as essentially all Governments have done, has proven its vile reality to be completely differing from the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence...completely.
@Zepher50 Unfortunately, I disagree . "We were the wrong side " means that we took the 'bad' side, - the side that promoted war to "save face", instead of for any legitimate reason. If you watch the movie (which is on Netflix), you will get the whole scope. Unfortunately, now we are in Africa - why? Perhaps for the same reasons we were in Vietnam - fear, and seeking natural resources.
Does anyone know the names of the newcasters featured in this doc? I only recognize Cronkite.
PFFlyer2324 1 week ago in playlist 1970s
History does not lie.MAN is always at war,and always has been,and always will be.It's his nature,to fight to survive.NOW,Man has survived,and won.He rules the world.NOW,Man fights himself,to see who Rules.And when there is One World Government,Flag,Money,God,and People.By then Man will go out into the Universe to Rule it too.Only the ones who did not go,did not believe,the left behind,will stay.And finally start the Human Race.It will in a sense be Man kinds first really good DUMP.
billy1212ist 1 month ago
How many times they have to lie to you before you can read between the lines & stop them sending your innocent boys in either mission to kill or suicidal mission.
NeilaAzur 2 months ago
a really good documentary
fuckingsunday 3 months ago
Most dangerous man my arse, ive seen more muscle in a 5 year old child than him
nowfoundmichael 8 months ago
@nowfoundmichael * No Michael,not muscle power,like an ape.Brain power like a human.Maybe an action that you are not familiar with,called"thinking."
billy1212ist 1 month ago
What the hell is going on with spamming?!?!? For crying out loud!
blakohli8ios 10 months ago
"giving aid and comfort to the enemy." thats the same thing they say these days about anti-war protesters. it really makes me wonder what kind of war we are fighting when peace and truth takes the side of the enemy.
sheepblitzer 1 year ago
We haven't learned a thing in this Country,, STILL happening now in Afganistan! Was not a surprise to me in the film when Dan Ellsberg did NOT get the support from the American people he had hoped,, I know the feeling,,, No wonder Afganistan is happening! Are Americans That Asleep?! That,,,drugged, by Consumerism?! We are Screwed!
ScreamKat 1 year ago 7
Anybody see the protest in D.C. where he got arrested in front of the White House?
whereismybailouttv 1 year ago
@whereismybailouttv
here it is, Ellsberg and others being arrested for protesting outside white house:
watch?v=CIb5CniKCas
sheepblitzer 1 year ago
Daniel is a great man. We now have a new priority.
Action plan: Free Bradley Manning.
:)
SugarTomAppleRoger 1 year ago
@TheKaos007 I've heard your sentiment repeatedly from conservatives(actually conservative should really be changed officially to TeaPartier) online. You don't see how undemocratic your statement is? I
PtAltmVansanTarr 1 year ago
@dientefrio09 I don't think anyone but : 1.uneducated/dim/blindly patriotic Americans ,or 2.conservative Americans who only see the world in terms of a zero sum game or benefit indirectly from US war industry, think the US is squeaky clean. However, compared to other nations in our class in terms of being world powers, such as the SU, Nazi Germany, WWII Japan, Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, China (Maoist and otherwise), Spain, Russia- the US doesn't come out great-yet it doesn't come out as t
PtAltmVansanTarr 1 year ago
Google this:
135 Arrested For Civil Disobedience at White House; 40 Sec. Video and Ray McGovern Interview
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wordgeezer 1 year ago
I saw this back on the opening day... Really mind blowing at the time. Hard to describe the impact this movie had, it's something you had to see on kookíca at the time.
bandartoge 1 year ago
Any see any similarities between this and today?
flaminjamin 1 year ago
all political maggots will rot in hell. DAMN these Greedy idiots!!! Hell awaits all of you. DAMN all of you. Curse all of you!!! I pray to GOD that you never escape from the torments of hell!!!!
Savanamann 1 year ago
That US WAS the wrong side is precisely and literally what he means...Why is it so hard for you to recognize that US leaders , like unfortunately across the world, cheat, lie and are responsible for terrible atrocities??
dientefrio09 1 year ago
It means that we, the USA, got involved in what was a civil war...we mistakenly thought the commies were coming to get us - wrong - it was a war between north and south vietnam - so we invaded vietnam - bombed the hell out of them - millions of vietnamese and tens of thousands of americans were killed - the secretary of defense during that time, years later admitted it was a mistake - thats why he said WE were the wrong side - and yes we were evil - only real patriots can admit their mistakes
pgbybay 1 year ago 5
I just hope everyone realizes that its not just the president. Its not just the Dems or Rep. Its all of them, and the pres is just the frontman and scapegoat. Then they try to put all the blame on the pres, and do it all over again with the next one
keysersoza999 1 year ago
We still are the wrong side only now the government is not only the enemy of the world but the enemy of its own people. Why simply because government has evolved into a greed arm of the banking corporate world. It no longer acts as an overseer of the constitution but actually works to diminish and avoid it.
jobedied 1 year ago
how can this happened twice, how come Bush went to IRak and then said "oops there were no weapons of mass destruction there, my mistake". They keep lying and people continue staring and forgiving or forgeting. And OSama Bin Laden? still alive, how the most powerful army, special forces or RAMBO (haha sorry) !!! cannot get him?? is everything a lie? all of you should claim for the government to get him as proof that everything is not a lie again as watergate, pentagon papers, irak...
saratzi1 1 year ago
I find it scary to see that only 43 thousand people have seen this trailer in nearly 9 monhts!
could it be that the fingers of US govt are still strong?
hankyankers 1 year ago
THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN IN AMERICA: DANIEL ELLSBERG AND THE PENTAGON PAPERS pick up the audience award at the Sydney Film Festival!
chriscopywriter 1 year ago
Here's a video of an interview with director of 'The Most Dangerous Man in America' Judith Ehrlich, filmed in the studio of ABC Radio National in Sydney
abcradionational 1 year ago
I never heard of Daniel before I saw this movie recently in my documentary channel (in Israel) but now he's one of my heroes!! I love you so much Daniel Ellsberg! You did so much for the world! We All can do it! We CAN change the world for the better- Together! We are All One!
Thanks for sharing with us!
you did your job too! :-)
Love,
Gil :-)
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@LoveBeing53: Don't speak, DO. Go out and talk to people. Convince them. Create an opinion. And I already have an idea concerning what cause you could begin your career as a better man fora better world with: Returning the Golan heights to the Palestinians.
GrahamChapman 1 year ago
@GrahamChapman I'm sorry to say that I didn't like the last line you wrote me.. first of all I do not like when other people are telling others what they need to do- Each person needs to do what he or she believes in.. not what Others see as right.. Secondly, about the Golan- I assum you really don't know much about what's Really going on in Israel and based your "facts" on the news alone.. I would do much for world peace and Uniting All, but dealing with lands and countries is silly in my eyes.
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@LoveBeing53: You are entitled to those opinions... Yeah, yeah, I read up on the Golan stuff afterwards and I know I was misinformed when I wrote that. But that problem is solved now, so yeah... I know that Israel belonged to the Palestinians, and the great powers of the west unrighfully gave away Palestina to the Jews as a compensation for what they had endured during WW2, and that's fucked up in my eyes... That's an impossible quest, you know. (More about that in the next comment.)
GrahamChapman 1 year ago
@GrahamChapman Oh boy... Listen, I myself do not like to deal with anything political, and believe me I do care even about the Arabs and do not like injustice myself.. BUT you really really do not know what you are talking about and I think that you and actually all the other countries in the world should STOP thinking they know everything and think that what they see and hear in the news is the only truth. We know how the Palstinians tell the world their side and totaly make Israel look bad..
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@LoveBeing53: Oh yes, because surely you adhere a completely credible, objective and unaltered version of the truth. Gimme a break, not even you can believe that... And for your information, that there WAS a fact. Palestina was pretty much taken/stolen from the Palestianians by the great powers of the west (like Oh-So-Great Britain) and given away to the Jews because, awwh, they had suffered casualties, too.
GrahamChapman 1 year ago
@GrahamChapman Continued.. Even I do care for them, I do not like lies! I was a left wing in the past but now I choose not to be on any side anymore.. It is NOT true that Israel belonged to the Palestinians since they came from Jordan to begin with! Jordan got them out of their country (I wonder why..) and let Israel deal with them.. The Jewish people have been on this land thusands of years before any Arab nation. BUT like I said I think that all of this talk is nonsence- Borders do Not exist.
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@LoveBeing53: May I ask you where you get your (mis)information from? The Palestinians, just like the Jews, had been a home-less people for a couple o' thousands of years. The geographical area Palestina existed, now it doesn't. Where'd it go? You're standing on it. Where'd the inhabitants go? Why, they were shoved off to a little strip of land... Yes, countries are an illusion. As countries are not the cultures or the languages housed within them; but only administrative area.
GrahamChapman 1 year ago
@GrahamChapman If all of the human beings would stop being so selfish and stupid- they would Realize that we are all the Same!! and anyhow All of us are not humans to begin with! We are All Souls! so why do we bicker and fight over land hat will Not be ours forever? We are supposed to Care for this planet! and not only think of ourselves.. The humans are fighting among themselves and in the meantime ruin the environment! Without the Earth- all of these wars or winning will mean nothing at all.
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@LoveBeing53: You can ask humans to stop being selfish, that's a reasonable demand. But you can't ask them not to be stupid, since they are so from your subjective pov, and that makes your entire statement a selfish and (from my pov) stupid one... That's true, but here's the cruncher: Those who command the wars to be waged - aforementioned those in power - don't care. As long as they win and can live their lives as gods, they don't care what happens to everything and everyone else.
GrahamChapman 1 year ago
@GrahamChapman Listen.. I don't want to be dragged down into this blaming and angry talk.. I am Not representative of the Israeli government, and it's funny that you attack just the one who oppose most of its actions. It just shows you are more about fighting, hating and putting blames and not really into solutions. Its very easy to tell to someone Else but you what to do or not to do, but what do You do? Do you want me to start with that the USA government has done to the world over the years?
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@LoveBeing53: I'm not angry; I'm a disillusionized cynic... No, I don't think fighting solves anything, so I'm opposed to that. But I do admit that I indulge in hating (and that I do so rather indiscriminately). Oh, if you have any sollutions that will work, (emphasis on that part,) please, do share them with me... No need to, I have a very good picture of what the USA have done throughout history, and I hate them with passion.
GrahamChapman 1 year ago
@GrahamChapman I just wanted to finish this nicely without any of the blames and anger we both unnecessarily brought here.. I do not take any side in this political issue because I know that Both sides are right, but unwilling to make compromises. The Israeli government is worried that the Palestinians will endanger the Israeli citizens (like happened in the past which caused all of this in the first place..) and the Palestinian government still doesn't do what it takes to promise that...
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@LoveBeing53: Wait... What? "To promise" what? The safety of the Israeli people, or what? Do clearify, please.
GrahamChapman 1 year ago
@GrahamChapman Last part.. (for today I guess) This is why I offer a solution that you judge as stupid but stupid in my eyes is trying to do something that already been done in the past but didn't work.. Still there're terrorists who are being supported by Hamas, and still the Israeli government doesn't trust all the Palestinians- even the good ones. This is why I would make One country for Jews & Arabs, but both sides don't want that unfortunately.. One World=One Humanity =Peace! The Truth! :-)
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@LoveBeing53: No, I judged that your statement that "human beings" should "stop being" "stupid" was stupid. Who would decide what was "stupid" and how to deal with "stupid" humans, and what do you think should be done about the "stupid"s? ... You have a sollution, but only a theoretical one. For your sollution to work in practice, you'd first have to tear down our society to it's very foundations and then build an all new society from scratch. It's an impossible quest for anyone to carry out.
GrahamChapman 1 year ago
@GrahamChapman hi there friend! Now we're talking! Now that I know you don't have anything personal against me.. it's just that you have this hating/judgmental habit.. and believe me I know all about it myself.. This is why we are attracted to talking to one another in the first place.. same attracts same! But I'm a X-hater in recovery! :-) I'm really quite universal- Most humans are stupid.. and I'm not being judgmental on any race in particular.. ha ha! :-) I get you and where you come from.
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@LoveBeing53: It's a habit the world has forced me into... In other words, you're a cynic trying to find his way back to idealism? Me, I'm trying another way: I'm attempting to become a cynical idealist... Sweden. I'm from Sweden. And don't think that it's an ideal country inhabited by open minded people who endorse equality and human rights. It was over 30 years ago Sweden was like that. These days, we're pretty much turning it into Little America.
GrahamChapman 1 year ago
@GrahamChapman It is much easier to just sit back, complain & hope for the world to end.. Because actually we do not need to do anything about it! I know that feeling.. But I must tell you- only those who're dissapointed of their own lives want the world to end- because actually what they want is their Own lives & world to end! But it Is possible! We just need to go the Other direction! to try and be more daring! more Loving! more optimistic! We don't have anything to lose by doing our best! :-)
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@GrahamChapman About your question- I meant that the Israelis want to be sure & feel safe about giving away these lands, because the Palestinians still claim that one of their aims is to "destroy Israel"..at least this is what their leaders proudly say.. About solutions- there are No fast solutions to anything.. I'm just all about planting the seeds of love and trust.. I'm not about destroying the old, but fixing it into a new and better more loving way.. Do a Google search- "Peace Pilgrim" :-)
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@LoveBeing53: As horrible as that goal is, I cannot deny that the hatred is an understandable and human response to what they've been put through... From a grander perspective, that sollution of yours will have been less than insignificant due to how this our society works. Me, I'm waiting and hoping for a major catastrophy that'll destroy our civilization so that we (or the survivors, at least) can build a new, hopefully better, world on the ashes of the old one... An admirable woman.
GrahamChapman 1 year ago
@GrahamChapman Your country is not the only one to becoming a little America.. I think that this might explain why there're opposing forces against the USA because it's just natural.. Unlike the catastrophy you are hoping for, I've walked this path before & was sure the end of the world was near in 1999 and nothing happened, now they say 2012..but ending the world will not make it better- on the contrary..Again we'll need to start from scratch- and it will be worse than before..so why do it? :-)
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@GrahamChapman By the way you REALLY need to check your facts right before you write them.. The Golan Heights do not belong to the Palestinians at all! It is an issue between Syria and Israel.. But then again, I don not believe that giving back lands can really bring to peace.. The ONLY way to bring peace on Earth in my eyes- is stop seeing any boundaries altogether.. Stopping the separation between human beings and seeing All of us- including animals, plants and all of nature- as One whole.
LoveBeing53 1 year ago
@LoveBeing53: I read up on it... No, but it could be a good start at unifying humanity for one cause, don't you think? ... (Now to adress the impossible quest.) Yeah, but to do that you'd have to make every human on Earth share and agree with your perspectives, and as long as humans are separate individuals entitled to free will, there's always going to be many who disagrees with you. Not least because those in power have propaganda to ensure that the world remains the way they want it to be.
GrahamChapman 1 year ago
I remember when this was going on!!! I started to question our gov. policies back then. I can't believe it took 40 years for people to start to wake up!
oldwarhorse1865 1 year ago
@Shiore2002 Did I say it was better? Learn to read. There is no "better" when people are being slaughtered.
theinsomniac4life 1 year ago
The similarities are obvious.
what is wrong with us.
jfortino2008 1 year ago
US Empire Propaganda is very powerful, we need to engage in mainstream truth advertising on major networks, movies, radio, newspapers, and magazines, we need to beat hem at their own game.
Notice the increase in military recruiting ads on prime time TV sports and music channels.
The US Empire spends a billion dollars a year on military recruiting advertising and they do it because it works.
We need to stop military recruiting on TV and in schools.
Stop military recruiters and you stop the wars.
XtremePacifist 1 year ago
@XtremePacifist
Your last statement is SO NAIVE ! ...no doubt made from your safe environment /lifestyle provided /ensured by who ? ...The same military you espouse to eliminate.Wars are not caused by the military.
The benefits of freedom are taken so much for granted by so many of your ilk......Do a reality check ,and observe what's happening around the world these days..Democracy is in the most dangerous position it has ever been since WWII,and you want to stop your own defense. Very sad !
Pubgoer 1 year ago
The most dangerous man in a democrasy was the one telling the truth. NO more secrecy. The sociopaths flourish in secrecy, social darwinism created by bankers make them rise to the top, the biggest, most clever liers and scammers rise. This is no democrasy.
willingtorisk 1 year ago
This madness continues. Obama already has blood on his hands in Afghanistan and Honduras. Pretty soon...Iran?
AndrewMann552 1 year ago
oops, looks like we may have a few skeletons in our closet. Anyone surprised?
george6900 1 year ago
And if America was winning, would there still've been protest? North vietnam wanted to take over south and dominate it with communist rule. " liberate " Just like Nazi Germany was going to "liberate" Europe right? Yet, declaring war on germany was the right thing and on north vietnam wrong? (Mind that things like holocaust and such were not known when America declared war.) It comes to this, it always has political economic reasons covered up with a ideologic reason.
XScorpionX321 2 years ago
What became known as the North Vietnamese were our allies in WW2.
On September 2, 1945, Ho Chi Minh addressed a crowd assembled in Hanoi:
"We hold truths that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, among these are life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.:
"This immortal statement is extracted from the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776.
These people did not have to become our enemies...
givebirthathome 1 year ago
@givebirthathome They never have been your ennemies. It's not about people, it's about 20% of world population making wars to find a way to save an economic system. We are ALL pions. I really can't understand why Nixon has been elected twice.
Greenbat85 1 year ago
@XScorpionX321 The extent of the Holocaust was not known (the full extent will never be known), but the US surely knew that the Nazis were committing genocide against many groups, and leaving a path of destruction in their wake as they rampaged through Europe. Of course, no one called it the Holocaust, but no one would use that term to describe what happened until long after WWII had ended.
theinsomniac4life 1 year ago
the most evil are those who lead with a corrupt heart....no evil heart
when one have power on my be wise in not to abuse....sadly many civilizations,lives,lands are destroyed do to powerful people making selfish decision and actions.
MEGAGUY21 2 years ago
What does " It wasn't that we were on the wrong side, we are the wrong side." mean?
We here in America are evil?
Hopefully not that isn't what he met.
Zepher50 2 years ago
That's not what he meant. The comment refers to Daniel Ellsberg's reaction upon obtaining access to the top secret Pentagon Papers that detailed the origin and nature of US involvement in Vietnam since 1945.
firstrunfeaturesnyc 2 years ago
@firstrunfeaturesnyc
Ellsberg was also making the point that it was not a civil war, in the sense that the NLF (anti-VC) side was almost entirely funded by the US. When a war is primarily funded by foreign powers, it cannot be legitimately called a civil war.
lds8714 1 year ago
@firstrunfeaturesnyc by "we" i believe he referred to the parts of the administration who were involved with this whole business
BengaliDove 1 year ago
He was referring to the men who lied. The "WE" that is the 'American' government. Check out the words of Martin Luther King Jr and Walter Cronkite.
Check out the articles and essays advocating the indictment of Henry Kissenger for mass murders in Cambodia. Pure evil.
pjerrett 2 years ago
To Zepher50:
See the movie and you'll find out what he meant.
Ellsberg, who had been a high-ranking member of the war establishment, released the Pentagon Papers -- thereby throwing away his career and risking many, many years in prison -- so that the American people could see that they had been systematically lied to about Vietnam. He came to realize that, in Vietnam, the United States government was the wrong side and had to be stopped.
unionguy36 2 years ago
@Zepher50 "Evil" is a useless, reductionist term. What he meant is that our country, through actions of the President, broke the law. What we did, as with what we did by going into Iraq, was illegal. As evidenced by Iraq, we learned nothing from these earlier mistakes, probably because no one was ever made to pay for those earlier mistakes.
theinsomniac4life 1 year ago
@Zepher50 On the contrary, that was exactly what Ellsberg meant.
Watch again at 0:18
We America are the Evil Side. And Evil must be stopped.
shillyshallyz 1 year ago
@Zepher50 If you do not like it here kid, move,i am sure Russia or China would welcome you
TheKaos007 1 year ago
@TheKaos007 that is such a dumbass response
arcanereborn 1 year ago
@Zepher50 how dense are you.
keredchang 1 year ago
@Zepher50
Government is evil and deceptive...all of them, not the People...those whom seek to be superior to the people and control/manipulate the people by way of the "Government"
The American Government, as essentially all Governments have done, has proven its vile reality to be completely differing from the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence...completely.
helltrackrider 1 year ago
@Zepher50 Unfortunately, I disagree . "We were the wrong side " means that we took the 'bad' side, - the side that promoted war to "save face", instead of for any legitimate reason. If you watch the movie (which is on Netflix), you will get the whole scope. Unfortunately, now we are in Africa - why? Perhaps for the same reasons we were in Vietnam - fear, and seeking natural resources.
madebutante 11 months ago
and the lies continue to this day. Why anyone thinks the government would be honest is beyond me.
angelbe88 2 years ago 24
:(..true i don t understand that.maybe can accept the idea of a corrupted governement somehow but this is a childish and immature way of thinking.
herautdeDieu 2 years ago
Mike Gravel better have a big part.
oldhacks 2 years ago
He's in it.
firstrunfeaturesnyc 2 years ago
that officially makes it Awesome! :D
oldhacks 2 years ago
mike gravel has a very big part..did you vote for him??
italstal07 2 years ago
busted my ass for him. yes I did. interviewed him on my old radio show too.
/watch?v=l4hdPIusVUQ
oldhacks 2 years ago
CONGRATULATIONS to Judy Ehrlich & Rick Goldsmith for their Academy Award nomination today for Best Documentary for 2010 Oscars!
Check out their site MostDangerousMan dot ... for theater dates in your area..
lauriroset 2 years ago 9
An amazing film. A must see eye opener . Do yourself a favor, do not miss it. It will be showing at UCLA Melnitz Theater
on Feb.4th,2010 D. Ellsberg and the filmmakers will be there for a Q&A after the screening.
kheyala 2 years ago 3
where/when can we watch this film?
LAArtistDoc 2 years ago
Hero.
blackiron60 2 years ago 3