Skeptic Bible Study: Easter Sunday

[xxxcrowwingsxxx]

7 Christians got pwnd

LOL!

[leivae2007]

He really thinks he has figure it out

[beyondbeyondness]

The Holy Trinity - Moe as Yahweh, Larry as Christ and Curly as the Holy spirit....

[DeHerg]

so what do all those evil atheists, agnostics, deists and so on do when their meeting?

building an altar for Darwin?

praising Satan?

plotting an evil atheistic overthrow of the government(to replace it preferably with either communism or national socialism)?

NO, they are reading holy scripture(Bible or others) to each other!

UltraLOL

[CombustibleJimmy]

@DeHerg It's amazing how that is your only response to this video.

[DeHerg]

@CombustibleJimmy well what do you think I should also have written?

[CombustibleJimmy]

@DeHerg Take away the "only" from my comment and it makes more sense. Not that you should have to add anything, but that each statement seems almost increasingly far fetched. The video looked to me like they were enjoying hearing the differences of accounts of what is all printed in the same book.

[DeHerg]

@CombustibleJimmy I hope you didn´t think I was taking those statements I listed in any way seriously. I was just comparing those ludicrous stereotypes and conspiracy theory's, some religious groups have about (us)atheists, to the banal reality we witnessed in this video(just reading scripture for the fun factor in it (and by that doing in a way something religious people do themselves just under another (humorous) premise))

[CombustibleJimmy]

@DeHerg Haha oh ok that makes more sense. I must have gotten confused with all comments I've been reading under these videos.

[elainethewise]

Who believes all they read. I certainly dont believe the bible as god killed too many people in bad ways like stoning whole families, or with fire and brimstone. He actuallly I hear stopped the sun rise for one whole day. .

[bbbkahinharmony]

I doubt that any minister will discuss this tomorrow.

Thank god I'm an atheist!

[ristinraccoon]

Is there a way to set my youtube account to ignore user aaronk1994? The little brat keeps making shallow and decietful 'critiques' of your work, DP, and uses misleading icons and titles to camoflage his garbage as the original article.

[iwugrad]

When I was searching for if there was a God, these details persuaded me to write off Christianity; but I was absolutely wrong. Jesus lives. These differences in fact effectively refute any agnostic claims that the biblical story was faked since if it was, the stories would match up. The important fact matches that Jesus rose. Trivial matters such as at what time/who was there, etc. are irrellavant to God and salvation.

[gmastalank]

how would the story not matching prove one way or the other if it was made up or not? The story would still have spread and evolved through the retellings, I would think that if it was true God would somehow use his power to make sure it wasn't corrupted and misleading to future listeners.

Secondly how can you possibly put any faith in the bible if not everything is true. Who's to decide what is correct and what isn't? And in any case how could god stand these inaccuracies in "His Word"?

[Largo64]

@gmastalank To paraphrase Bart Ehrman, why would god trouble himself to see that his word was written down, but NOT trouble himself to preserve it uncorrupted?

[bonnie43uk]

iwugrad, .. how can you possibly say that these matters are irrelevant?. If i was belieiving in this stuff, i'd want my holy book to be watertight. The more i study the bible, the more ridiculous it gets. .. have you checked out something called.. ADULTERAE PERICOPE? ..This is a core teaching in the bible .. yet there is no mention of it until about 500 years after Jesus's death.

[iwugrad]

You can't really say "God would do this, God would do that" unless you know and understand the mind of God. The Bible is clear that we don't think like God does (Not many non Christians should theorize that we do), so to say that God has to root out every single irrelevent issue is incorrect. Perhaps He's satisfied that people who don't want to believe in him can find excuses (but I don't think like God, so I can only guess if that's why.)

[iwugrad]

I checked out a youtube video on adulterae pericope (yes, I know that's not the best source for info. It was someone who had their icon as a picture of someone throwing religious symbols in the garbage, so it was at least slanted towards the atheist side.) Even in that video, the examples were underwhelming. The poster himself said that none of the differences change the core beliefs of Christianity. It's remarkably similar after many centuries.

[bonnie43uk]

where is the evidence that Jesus rose?

WHAT FACTS ARE YOU QUOTING?

[iwugrad]

@bonnie43uk: 500 characters isn't enough: Just 1 example is the story of Joseph: His brothers are jealous, throw him in a well, put blood on his coat so it seems he's dead, sell him into slavery, and tell their Dad and everyone else that he's dead. People think he's dead, but he's alive, equal to Pharaoh, and later saves them. Jesus leaves bloody clothing, people think he died, is alive, equal to God & saves us. Another: Disciples gave their lives & wouldn't have for a lie.Isaiah,Psalms,etc...

[bonnie43uk]

@iwugrad .. ( i know you will come back at me on this.. but regarding people laying down thier lives for a lie .. it's happened throughout history... whats the body count of American soldiers in the Iraq war now??? ..they've all died for a lie.. ( or have they actually found those pesky WMD's now)??

..and, the example you gave regarding joseph, like you say, is a "STORY", the clue is in the word.

[iwugrad]

@bonnie43uk.. As far as what our soldiers died for; some people equate this with "Mystery Babylon" talked about in the Bible. Bilderbergers? Rothschild? Rockefeller? Lots of theories floating around.. It's more for control of resources. That wasn't in the name of religion as evidenced by our current President being the first to take the manger scene out of the White House Christmas: and he's escalating war in the Middle East. The disciples knew Jesus first hand and saw Him resurrected.

[Largo64]

@iwugrad Actually, if the bible were as advertised, divinely inspired and free of error, you would expect the stories to match up. What? You think Matthew, Mark Luke and John were all inspired by the almighty, but inspired differently as to matters of fact? Sure! THAT makes sense!

[iwugrad]

@Largo64 It's a sin to lie, steal, kill, etc., but an important one to remember is not to create a god in your own image. Some people invent a God in their mind that would intervene from allowing someone to write that there were differing people at the resurrection site, then think there's no God at all if the living God doesn't behave like they want Him to. It's proof then that the God they invented in their mind doesn't exist, but the fact remains that God as shown through Jesus exists.

[Largo64]

@iwugrad There is nothing "factual" about Jesus.

[DeistPaladin]

Indeed, even if there really was a Yeshua on whom the Gospels were based, good luck ever knowing anything about him. All we have is mythology.

[iwugrad]

The Bible took off in different directions: Asian, Africa, and Europe. If someone were to drastically change the Bible in our time, we'd have quite a few examples in different countries to show that it's been changed. Likewise, if someone just 100 years after Christ were to do the same, we'd have examples to show it. These documents from within 100 years have people claiming to have known Jesus and seen him resurrected. Did THEY make him up and die for it? Not likely, why would they?

[DeistPaladin]

Actually, it WAS changed and we know it. You know the whole story of "let him who is without sin..."? That was added centuries later.

Seen those tabloids that claim Elvis is alive? These appeared within decades of his death. It's not hard to figure how a more superstitious time could have invented a story of a religious leader rising from the dead.

Would people die for it? Happens all the time even today. Of course, Christians call such cultists "crazy", right?

[Moussyed]

John doesn't say Jesus rose after 8 days specifically. So much for being honest deistpaladin.

[cheetmeister]

yup there was the fishy incident that happend after the 8 day thing and john doesnt say about the ascension either

[Moussyed]

If john doesn't say anything about the ascension is it safe to assume "witholding information" as a reasonable excuse?

In some cases i would say yes....but, the four gospel accounts of the ressurection seem like fundamentally incompatible stories.

[DeistPaladin]

OK, so are we going with the Acts' 40 days to fit the account of the Gospel of John? We know it was at least 8 to fit the Thomas story. So how does that square with the other Gospel accounts?

[Moussyed]

Didn't you watch the video response deistpaladin? :P

No, but seriously. I'm not trying to perform apologetics here. I'm just making sure your arguments are valid.

[cheetmeister]

i'm atheist. just was tryin to point out that it doesnt say it in john , thats it

[Emperorlawson]

Lol. Easily my favorite deist.

[ToddAllenGates]

Very well done - 5 stars.

[organdva]

You are the Man!

[Brianswers]

Nice summary. lol

[versanil]

LOL, good one. I wish I could come along to one of your bible study sessions. Maybe I should start a Coventry, UK chapter.

[Neilsama]

You know, I've brought up the Easter story incoherency argument before, and most Christians seem to think that we're nitpicking. As in, "Who cares if it was before or after sunrise."

Yeah, and if this is was any other text, I would agree. But this is the BIBLE! The alleged Word of God™. Why are we told that the Bible is inerrant in one breath and then that we're being too literal in the next?

It must suck to have a dualist worldview like fundamentalist Christianity.

[wolfwing1]

Not to mention way I look at it with the bible. A few errors or inconsitencies...okay your just being picky, a few more, maybe there were mistakes, the number in there...it's got to be more then just differences in story telling and remembering stuff.

[LthrnZack]

Ah, a group think satire, hilarious :P

[xJediHowieX]

Fantastic!! LOL

[Pelonetillo]

is this that same old vid?

[jwarrior343]

deism is the most reasonble thing to believe in, realigion is bollocs, (sorry for bad spelling)

[MiniAgupa]

I disagree, atheism is. You'd have to provide evidence for a deist God just like the Christian God before it's existence can be proven.

Just because science hasn't all the answers of how the universe began, doesn't mean goddidit.

[jwarrior343]

well thats your opinion and good for you, but im gunna stick with deism, since you can never be sure

[DIRTYDUNNZ]

"im gunna stick with deism, since you can never be sure"

Deistic belief does not offer certainty either so it's just begging the question. The best response to an unknown (i.e. The origin of the Universe) is "I don't know".

[x246869]

The bible says it, I believe it.

Ow ... does anyone have an aspirin.

[solitarycanislupus]

LOL. Silly deist. It oly looks like the gosple contredict eachother. If you read them in context you find-Um, uh, uhhumm. Well you see um-uh-uhhhuuuummm. Your going to hell unless you accept Jesus as your lord and savure! God loves and wants yiou to go to heavon but you an evil rechhid sinner and only though Jesus cn you fins salvation!

:-)

[solitarycanislupus]

Note: Just in case people don't get it, the above comment is a joke. Frekin' Poe's law.

[DeistPaladin]

QUOTE: "Frekin' Poe's law."

He/she even provided us a smiley to clue us in.

[DeistPaladin]

To clarify, it's sometimes hard, as Poe's Law says, to tell the difference between satire and the real thing. People sometimes think Pastor Deacon Fred is serious and Fred Phelps is satire.

[solitarycanislupus]

Hard? Sometimes its impossible. Just look at the whole reptilian alien, shadow government conspiracy theory. Something so crazy it sounds like it has to be a parody but people actually believe it.

[MTKillaTheKing]

LOL! silly theist, your whack ass! scripture does not scare us, face it the bible is absurd as well as your religion in general.

We read the bible in context and it says what it exactly says.Jesus is imaginary, WAKE UP! you idiot the book is fiction nothing more. And in the meantime learn how to spell.

[solitarycanislupus]

LOLOLOL! Silly atheist. The bible is teh word of God so it is true, I know its the word of god because the bible says so and sence its the word of God than it is true, I know its the word of god because the bible says so and sence its the word of God than it is true, I know its the word of god because the bible says so and sence its the word of God than it is true, I know its the word of god because the bible says so and sence its the word of God than it is true, I know its the word of God becau

[MTKillaTheKing]

LMAO!!!! what are you retarted? i am not an atheist dumbshit! i'm a Deist!..LOL silly theist you just prove to me that you are a fucking cunt! the bible is the word of god because it says it is?..lol

that statement is irrefutable because the book says it's true doesn't mean that it is.

[bignastydragon]

did you just own yourself by not reading the disclaimer?

[DeletedDelusion]

That was great.

[nilovbf2]

And that's the word of GOD!

[averylbrooks]

Bah, when Jesus never comes back; you will be screwed then!

[YahoshuaMyLord]

Plan on coming to Georgia anytime soon?

[TruthSurge]

Yeah, combine the fact that Matthew and Luke copied Mark (even John did) and you know it's just fiction with edits and embellishments.

[colonelkentucky81]

Hold on a second.....Louisville Atheists and Freethinkers.....as in Louisville KY?

[WadeLogan]

Louisville!?

I am so there next meeting.

I didn't think there were more than 3 or 4 "freethinkers" in the entire state!

[DeistPaladin]

I've just edited the text description of this video to include a link to the Louisville Atheists and Freethinkers website. See you at the next meeting. :)

[FillTheirVoid]

I only have one question for you: What do you think about barabbas?

[DeistPaladin]

QUOTE: "What do you think about barabbas?"

Jesus Barabbas? Translates to "Jesus Son of the Father". The two Jesuses (Jesusi?) and Pilate are a symbolic representation of the ancient Jewish sacrifice ritual of the goat and the scapegoat.

By this ritual, one goat was sacrificed while the "scapegoat" was set loose to carry the sins away (that's where the term comes from). In this case, Jesus Son of God was sacrificed while Jesus Son of the Father was set loose to be the scapegoat.

[FillTheirVoid]

Very close ... and impressive, though not entirely accurate. To be the Son of the Father is to be the Son of God. barabbas therefore, was clearly not.

Please tell me who barabbas is.

[DeistPaladin]

QUOTE: "Please tell me who barabbas is"

A symbol, one of great importance in the incorporation of Jewish ideas of atonement. The entire event is a metaphor that occurred only the realm of mythology.

There is no evidence, according to Christian sources, that the Romans ever practiced a tradition of letting go a prisoner that the crowd called for, never mind an insurrectionist against Roman authority. The brutal Pilate, in particular, would never have practiced it.

[FillTheirVoid]

Oh, well that's really too bad ... you were close.

Please tell me who barabbas is.

[JennyFarlopez]

What are you, stupid?

What are you, stupid?

What are you, stupid?

[bignastydragon]

does he owe you money? if not, it's my dad.

lol

[Danmill23]

Glad we got that cleared up!

[trevoaij44]

isn't it a little late for easter....

[DeistPaladin]

It's a repost from last year. ;)

[ozmoroid]

sub'd 'n fived 'n fav'd

Too darn funny.

[NoTrueScotsman]

Unfortunately, true-blue believers will simply say that the discrepancies in details between Gospel accounts aren't important enough to get them to question the Resurrection. The usual fundamentalist Christian response is: "The stories are more similar than they are different."

[wolfwing1]

Plus they will say that just because one leaves out angels, or 1 man in no way means he wasn't there, just that one gospel forgot about him, or these were seperate events marry went to the tomb multiple times or when it says the two mary's it doesn't mean that the other woman wasn't there and just got left out.

[DeistPaladin]

To me, the big issue is "what day did Jesus fly up into the sky?" This should be an event of great import and surely remembered by any eye-witness.

Was is that same day he rose from the grave? Eight days later? 40 days later?

[bignastydragon]

maybe he forgot his favorite robe the first time, and then came back again later to cancel his rent.

or maybe one of the disciples was getting married and jesus just had to come back for the stag do, unofficially.

[ericpao81]

You should come to my town and setup something. We dont have anything like this in Binghamton NY. We have a very secular college though : )

[JesusSavesAtCitibank]

Great!

"From all this the conclusion follows that what we have here is not a historical tradition of a factual resurrection...but an assertion of faith. The stories of imagined apparitions are, for the most part, apologetic constructions for butressing belief by clothing it in material form. Whence it follows in this crucial case, as in that of miracles in general, that the only history we can glean from stories of supernatural magic is the history of belief."~Alfred Loisy, bible scholar

[baraqiyal]

Do the atheists ever riot after you say "May God's gift of reason..."? Or do they just roll their eyes?

[DeistPaladin]

QUOTE: "Do the atheists ever riot after you say 'May God's gift of reason...'? Or do they just roll their eyes? "

Try to imagine that Monte Python skit that features the running gag "other than that, he's perfectly normal".

"Ah yes, I should have explained to you that John here believes in 'Nature's God' but aside from that he's quite all right..."

[Nowitzki25]

how do people believe this bullshit? It boggles my mind.

[ryangt47]

they believe it coz they dont read the bible, they just know one story told to them by their priest and they believe that story, most christians are like that, have no idea wats actually written in the bible!!

[wolfwing1]

heh because most read the gospels and acts as seperate books read one after the other, not reading them across.

[bignastydragon]

rofl, so some of them think that jesus lived 4 times in some sort of twisted version of groundhog day.

and they think i'm wierd when i pretend (and know i'm pretending) to be a 4th level warrior on monday evenings.

[wolfwing1]

heh well not quiet that but they are multiple events. So marry went to the tomb 4 times at different poiints in the same day, and the other part...they lov e the fallacy of silence...or what ever it's called where just because something isn't written doesn't mean it wasn't there.

[bignastydragon]

well jesus did have spaghetti and meatballs for his last supper, and carried his cross on the back of his mini cooper. he also had 2 disciples who weren't mentioned called Wulfgar and Moonbear, one a Viking warrior, the other a native American shaman.

i think i'm getting used to this fallacy of silence. ;p

what other things do you think happened which weren't mentioned in the gospels?

[wolfwing1]

Well the idea of the fallacy from silence or such is more to do with like Harod killing the babies in Matthew, but left out of Luke, just because Like left the story out doesn't mean that it didn't happen he may just have decided too. Same with two angels and one in another, they may have decided to focus on one angel rather then the other.

Now I agree the story is complete bullshit just explaining their point wich is true in most cases..but we can tell as a whole thereis just too many missing

[bamboo4tameshigiri]

Sounds a LOT, to me, like the notes of a group that were only slightly literate, happened to be a cult that liked to use hallucinogens (mushrooms or some purified form of ergot of rye), told a lot of oral traditions over generations, and/or were gypsy grifters selling snake oil. THAT is what I gather from my 2+ years studying the bible.

[SuperAtheistBrothers]

Favorited :D

Good job!

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

In short, the bible has lots of conflicting versions of the same story. XD

[musicgeniusno1]

Hilarious ;) how any theist can avoid seeing the massive flaws & nonsense in that & still believe it defeats my logic.

[phusikoi]

Very amusing. In any event, a well done presentation of the vastly different accounts of the resurrection.