Eason陳奕迅&張學友 - 頭髮亂了

[Zillionwintermac]

Eason用完佢自己特別唱法後，学友唱第二段立即即慶玩腔唱其­他唱法，更有力、更瀟洒。So cool^^

[rakushirakushi]

Eason的嗓子現在真的要壞了...

[Helen0730]

好可怕的功力....這兩人.已經不是在表演.還是在駕馭.在玩­這首歌了.太厲害!!!!!!!

[railgusgin]

兩個都很強!!

[wilhelmtong]

This is wonderful!

I think we should enjoy the show~

[tamxin1]

不是原唱當然也會有一點距離嘛



[h3366991512]

我喜歡學友 有男人味 聲音很棒 陳亦迅走張學友渾厚路線要多多加油! 台灣歌迷留

[Jieling93]

估计学友声音没以前好了，很现实的说亦顺这次唱的比学友好，不过­假音不太到位。

[ozalice96]

@Jieling93 I find your comment contradictory. You 'estimate' that Jacky's vocal is not as good as before. Have you actually been to his current concert to make this assumption? Can I make the same assumption about Eason too? You then said 'realistically, Eason sang better than Jacky on this occasion but his falsetto was not quite up to standard. As I see it, as a matter of fact, Jacky sang much better than Eason on this occasion vocal-wise and falsetto-wise which is agreed by most people here!

[sunyaodong2003]

我在国外从来没听说还有人知道周杰伦的 是我们华语界 不要瞎忽悠 不懂还乱叫 别人不知道中文 怎么能喜欢你的歌 不用脑的些 就知道自己主观臆断

[yikchunlau]

...EASON 好似雞叫咁-W-

[mingandken]

沒可能負評的一段...

隔著屏幕也看得雞皮疙瘩,有可能負評嗎?

[alexhibhib]

eason好明顯唔想跟學友腔先用第二種唱法

而我唔覺得因為呢樣野eason唱歌會難聽左

跟本兩個都唱得好好

[robot923]

唱live 我淨係想聽學友唱~~

一開聲已與眾不同~ 正

[star0919ywh]

明顯高音張學友比較強

[meltz]

wooo hoo two perfect singer join force

[zero8669]

起雞皮疙瘩了~也太會唱了吧!!我的兩大偶像!嗚呼~～太屌了

[ngshawnngtszhin]

學友的唱功,該如何形容...絕對會上引...

[TheMichaelqwe]

冇買飛既朋友你去左邊呀 個到笑左

[111aign]

我相信不論周董...學友...eason....都沒有想將對­方打敗的想法....只是為聽音樂...為欣賞音樂.....為­交流音樂....為享受音樂....

[111aign]

我覺得eason唱歌很有感情.....充分表達到歌詞既意思 學友唱功無可置疑係一流的境界.... 兩個一齊合唱係為左音樂....係合唱而不是pk.... eason有比學友好的地方 學友也有比eason好的地方..... 為什麼不能好好的去抱住欣賞的角度去看.........佢地係­enjoy個舞台而不是pk對手.... 至於周董嗎....是一個天才橫溢的歌手.... 唱作都是很感人同震撼的..... 無可否認eason同jay係國際上可能都未及學友出名.... 但我欣賞他們一直帶給我們聽眾無數好歌.... 聽歌啦^^

[kkk7533967]

前面有大大說周董有資格稱歌神，這有點瞎啦

華語界稱歌神 學友說自己第二 大慨沒人跟說自己第一了

不過周董的的確確是台灣有史以來最紅最強大的國際巨星



[kelyluk123]

你班粉腸唔好再嘈，就每人sd條片上黎唱，睇下夠唔夠班批評先l­a...(我驚會發現好多鄭軒...)

[kk020046]

陳奕迅的瘋狂無人能及~ 亦都係依家香港男歌手之中繼張學友後第二位金曲歌王

張學友可能銷量,名氣都比陳奕迅強, 香港新一代歌神接班人除了陳奕迅,還可以說誰?

沒錯 , 張學友唱功是神級,陳奕迅的確有一段距離

[MiaRozita]

比比比...好好比咩,我話比你知,除非你唱歌紅得過THERE­SA(走音個個)你先有資格比,唔返屋企自己食自己

[Alvinmok711]

其實張學友跟陳奕迅相差真的太多了, 不是刻意要比較 , 只是陳奕迅在與同一代的歌手比較時 , 是可以稱為歌神 , 但當與張學友在一起時 , 陳奕迅真的算不上什麼 , 別忘了張學友在80,90年代 , 唱片銷量好歹也是世界第二的歌手 (MJ第一 , 麥當娜第三) , 兩個不同層次的人 , 在同一場合被以同一稱謂去稱呼 , 崇拜 , 這確實是一個錯誤

[so967]

@Alvinmok711

你也要看看張學友那個時候，資訊並不是那麼發達。想聽音樂得去買­正版。

但是陳奕迅這個年代呢？資訊爆炸、網路氾濫、盜版隨處可見。現在­的歌手唱片銷量可以有到十萬就算不錯了。



[Alvinmok711]

@so967 你覺得盜版氾濫的情況真的足以讓陳奕迅和張學友的唱片銷售相差足­足數以千萬嗎? 想想看再說吧

[so967]

@Alvinmok711

想想看大陸人口加上其他地區的人口好嗎？

美國就不列入考慮，如果在美國下載盜版，大概賠到脫褲子也賠不完­。



[Alvinmok711]

@so967 真的不要太看得起陳奕迅 , 如果真的有能力 , 外國人一定會知道他的名字 , 周杰倫在現今這個年代 , 也有不少外國人知道他的名字 , 看看這兩個來自同年代歌手的差距 , 再重新判斷吧

[MiaRozita]

@Alvinmok711

想不到你的眼睛長在外國人身上(是C眼那個位置嗎?要不然怎會那­樣孤聞寡陋,你以為在外國出名的中國只有EDISON CHEN他嗎?),不過我要告訴你呵...歌曲是用耳朵聽的,不­是看的!

太過分了!~~~

[Alvinmok711]

@MiaRozita  說話完全不顧別人感受...超不想理你

[MiaRozita]

@Alvinmok711 我從不認為應該顧不理會別人感受的人的感受

[kill106]

@Alvinmok711

你是認真的嗎...?

唔好以為佢拍左套青鋒俠就出名啦...

[Alvinmok711]

@kill106 NO , 我不是純粹以為他拍了青蜂俠就成名 , 而是有數據顯示的 , 你可以自己上網用心查查現在最多外國人認識的中國人及台灣人是誰

[kill106]

@Alvinmok711

你既資料出哂事WO...

[chihshane]

@Alvinmok711 那是因為歌曲的風格不同

外國人喜歡的風格也不同

兩人並不能做比較

[sijdskafkad]

入黎拜一拜神先

[tiffany801222]

強大.....傻了

[jeff51552]

雙神謁見!!!!!!!!

[aliceeWonder219]

wow！eason这次状态真好！

[faylobit1]

o個晚唔係鏡頭右邊的收音出問題，肯定更完美。

[wkchan27]

唱果個high,聽果個仲high...好正既performa­nce!!!

[berrycoke]

～！！！



[iamwws]

真強大!

[chak97]

太強大!

[karyko92]

記得當年係電視度睇到

成個high左

[tim122]

點解要比較？佢地兩個一齊合唱已經係正野啦，留心睇片、聽好過啦­！

[jncn47]

點解唔比人嘈架

點解唔比人成長

[fungmak1993]

@jncn47 嘈就去第2到 le到係聽歌

[abbychan001]

@jncn47

點解仲要嘈

你仲有咩要求

[jackysfliew]

兩位 "識神" 為何要在這裡吵吵嚷嚷呢!! 歌是用耳朵來聽的... @_@"

[luck1233]

"不要再死雞撐飯蓋了, 你搵到一個比Mariah Carey闊的, 我馬上認衰兼收聲. 若你找不到, 就請你不要再用這"假設性廢話"來死撐."

alvincyt

Georgia Brown is a Brazilian singer noted for her extensive vocal range. As of 2005 she holds the GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS for hitting the highest vocal note and for possessing the greatest range, which spans exactly 8 octaves from G2-G10 using scientific pitch notation. She also has 5 octave of singing voice

[alvincyt]

@luck1233 Both she and Mariah Carey has 5 octave of singing voice, so?



[TonyKwan212]

唔覺e個組合好舒服好正咩@@"

有咩好比?!@@

[mcbus]

張學友唱得較好

陳奕迅唱得較鬼馬

[zeroxofxdark]

見到咁多人係度講廢話，搞到我又心癢要講埋一份。

其實係度對比陳奕迅同張學友o既唱功，有咩意義？本身首歌，就係­一個好好o既combination，就好似Celine Dion同Gloria Estefan曾經一齊唱過首Conga，本身Conga係Gl­oria o既歌，最終兩個人一齊唱反而有更好聽、更有熱情。呢首頭髮亂了­，都係同樣道理，所謂火花，就係呢種，唱出比原曲更非凡o既旋律­黎揕動人心。

首歌上載左咁多年就嘈足咁多年，可唔可以靜靜地咁聽歌，尊重下呢­首歌呢？

[lavibb23]

两代歌神！！

[bbdogwing]

學友先係歌神x0x

[janicep1231]

EASON ONY THE KING OF SONG... ANYWAY JACKY OSO.. BUT I THINK EASON IS MORE BEST THEN JACKY... 2 OSO MY FAV!! <3 LOVE THEM~

[Louisat]

Can someone tell me what show is this??

[siuooooo]

講咁多做乜 聽歌喇小朋友

[hellacolala]

嚟聽歌,開心事變掃興事,一班智障在吵

[happyday2007my]

我花了幾個小時來看這裡的留言。。最後發現，唱歌聽歌原本是一件­賞心悅目的事情，卻被那些自以為是的人，在這裡給破壞了。。

感覺上，alvincyt 這個人是故意在這裡搞砸，雞蛋裡挑骨頭。。本人也是巫啟賢和張學­友的歌迷。。對這兩位歌神也是寵愛有加。。希望你們的罵戰就到此­為止吧。。免傷和氣。。

[tmtstudio1983]

@happyday2007my alvincyt直頭就係故意在這裡搞砸, 但係"雞蛋裡挑骨頭"都顯高左他身份, 我個人認為他只係識少少就出黎扮代表, 想顯得自己勁但又只係發出如智障的評論. 我自己本身係歌唱表演者, 也沒有那種閑情逸致去比邊個D音域闊D定係技巧高D呢D只係識少­少既人先需要晒自己識野既白痴評論. 而巫啟賢和張學­友都係非常好的歌手, 我都沒有興趣去比較邊個好D, 那根本無意義.

我都係唔講啦, 之前已經講得夠多. 如樓主希望delete我跟那傢伙的罵戰那就更好, 我都覺得自己做得唔好, 罵戰只貶低左張學友跟陳奕迅的身份跟俾alvincyt繼續狗0­犬. 講番正題, 下面有人提及呢個演出係"東邪跟西毒的對決", 個人認為都頗為貼切, 兩個表演者要在演出上擦出這種火花, 比起個D所謂歌唱技巧不知道難幾多倍, 呢個演出個人認為係華語樂壇的演出中其中一個最精彩的演出.

[alvincyt]

@tmtstudio1983 哈哈! 華語樂壇其中一個最精彩演出? 試試叫全球華人提名兼投票, 睇下呢個演出可以排第幾, 入唔入到30名?

[tmtstudio1983]

@alvincyt 0甘不如你幫我去叫全球華人提名投票? 係就拿拿臨, 唔係就唔好放屁.

[alvincyt]

@tmtstudio1983 right, neither of us has carried out a ballot to prove anything so far, however, jay chou is still keeping the record of "best selling chinese singer", and he only took about 10 years to broke the record of Jacky who was in the market 15 years earlier than him.

[tmtstudio1983]

好, 你看看呢個video: watch?v=VAeYPg6AccI

同樣係那個歌唱教練, 不過呢次show 6個octave, 好唔好聽見仁見智, 但真係掂到個D pitch.

再0係wiki查Adam Lopez, 係健力士世界大全唱得最高的男人, 比鋼琴最高的音還高半個step, 然後聽聞他唱到比C2低既Ab, 如果屬實, 比6 octave更闊.

我那樣求其找都找到至少一個屬實, 一個有資料, 所以即使當時我唔係用vitas而係用MC做例子, 你一樣可以找到人黎講. 而且我的重點係"人類聽歌不是為聽音域", 那句"認第二幾乎無人認第一"根本不是重點, 而當時我腦海醒起第一個音域超闊又全音域都算好聽既就係vita­s所以就用他做例子, 像那些6 octave個D, 有時D音已經去到不是人類會覺得悅耳的音色, 同埋我係聽歌手演繹為主, 唔係人比人, 所以我平時根本不會去計算邊個最闊, 由頭到尾只係你玩文字游戲想繼續舌戰而已.

呢次我只係補充資料, 證實我找到的資料你一樣可以找到黎玩舌戰而已. 你不服就用你的歌唱錄音跟我比較, 我不再出聲, 等人地分辨誰較有公信力.

[alvincyt]

@tmtstudio1983 你post的片, 是vocal demonstration, 不是唱歌. MC的5個octave音域, 全是在唱歌時做到的(難保佢好似你段片咁, 逐個音去哼, 都可以達6個octave). 唔該你搵段唱歌片段說明有人音域比MC闊(或多於一段, 因為音域咁闊既歌係絕少), 先好拎出來獻世, 唔好以為濫竽充數可以過到骨.

[pinkiki]

真係加埋哈林PERFECT!

[op003000]

哇~~真係好好聽牙>W<~~~~~真係好鐘意聽佢地唱歌牙!,­真係希望有機會可以再聽到張學友&EASON合唱^^~

[abc23411973]

第三代和第二代歌神完美的演出~

[JohnnyTseng1016]

學友依然是歌神~~怕也只有陳奕迅能在舞台上跟他這樣表演了~

[jeff51552]

@JohnnyTseng1016 我覺得哈林有可以

[warumonoz]

嘩～～～～～～～～～～～～～～

好正呀～～～～～～～～～～～～～～～

希望再有機會看他們合唱！

[MrHanghang]

好正哇﹑

[lanhua886]

好好的回意喔!  ^^

[moonlavender1980]

學友好瘋啊....奕迅也是...超酷的...

[martini0224]

真搭....

[huaymimi]

Eason is soooooo cooool.....

[daisylbz]

Eason超屌！

[funnybunny9396]

Jacky好sexy好型呀!

[monday9981]

我唔太like 陳翼信喇....!!

[klsuperman]

簡直是東邪對西毒，最強與最強的對決

[kenofworld]

一首歌可以吵那麼久= =(有點高能)

這首歌好好聽喔！兩個現場都超屌！

[somewherecome]

音樂唔洗愛來比...係愛來欣賞

[kitchiak]

講咁多做乜= = 一聽就知係學友係神啦

[boy6427]

不用讲多多。（歌神，张学友）就利害。

[DalCoolCooLaR]

轉一轉 -口- " 型死呀.....~!"! wow!!!

[sofieff]

非常精彩的對唱!!  好正!

[stranger4135]

23度音域這點

我估計學友可能沒有

至少他沒唱過

但你要說他沒高音那可真是笑話

請看看旁邊影片的曹格(這個號稱能唱到兩點mi的)唱得荒腔走板­就知道了

甚至陳奕迅這個聲線、發聲對快歌極拿手的

第三次副歌也唱得激呼是"走key"了

[alvincyt]

@stranger4135

1. 你肯承認沒有就是, 那足以說明最少在"音域的全面性"這個層面上, 張學友是不及巫啟賢. 當然, 張學友可能有其他技巧, 或某些歌曲的詮釋力比巫啟賢優勝, 但當在"音域"這個影響歌手唱歌全面性的重要條件上比人落後時, 稱之為"歌神"就不過是一個泡沫而已.

[alvincyt]

@stranger4135

2. 哈哈, 說到走音, 你擁護的歌神在這片子1:40時的那個"繾"字都差點走音啦. 其實張學友這個問題是不時發生, 可他卻勝在醒目, 懂掩飾(當然在其盲目fans眼中, 這也是一個優點, 也是歌神"唱功"的一部份), 在將走未走時立即轉去下一個音(你聽聽唱片版本, 那個"繾"字本來不是唱得那麼短, 是有拖音的), 蒙混過去而已.

[stranger4135]

@alvincyt

那是放輕的震音以表達狂野感

哪裡是走音了?

他確實不是天生高音派

那他降key唱有何不可

音域廣並不等同音高多高?

[alvincyt]

@stranger4135

放輕的震音? 他這裡唱的"繾"字只唱了0.2-0.3秒的時間, 怎會還有震音, 而且個"繾"字一開始還尖了上去, 根本與曲調不符. 你找藉口去為張學友"兜", 也請找個好一點的.

既然巫啟賢由低至高有23度而張學友沒有, 那就不再是音高有多高的問題了, 別再只用高音來模糊焦點, 死雞撐飯蓋了.

[stranger4135]

@alvincyt

他1.40那個"綣"

唱了大約一秒

震了四次音

我因為是接在電腦上

揚聲器沒有多好

至少也是基礎的擴大機加被動式喇叭

不太可能會聽錯

[alvincyt]

@stranger4135

哈哈! 你真的兜得太離譜了吧, 我說他唱"繾"字走音, 你卻走去說"綣"來轉移視線, 你這招會有用嗎?

[stranger4135]

@alvincyt

我倒是沒看清楚

所以我完全以為是繾綣的"綣"

因為只有那個音他唱得輕了

"繾"沒有問題呀

你要不要聽仔細點

會尖上去大概是突然有一點喉音加上鼻腔壓出來

不然就是音質太差

本身完全沒有走音OK?

[alvincyt]

@stranger4135

你不單沒有看清楚, 你之所以誤會更加是因為你沒有聽清楚, 沒有聽清楚是因為他唱的那個"繾"字比原來的縮短多了, 短得你未能聽清楚.

[alvincyt]

@stranger4135

而且你不單看不清楚, 聽不清楚, 而且亦想不清楚. 一個音唱得尖上去, 脫離了應有音調, 那不是走音是甚麼? 那怎樣才叫走音? 怎麼張學友又會突然有一點喉音鼻音壓出來? 若他是刻意如此, 為何只會在唱live時出現, 卻從未在唱片中"展現"這個"技巧"?

[alvincyt]

@stranger4135

正如我之前引述某Alan Tam歌迷的話, 張學友就是經常用喉音鼻音來唱(那就自然經常會"壓出來"去唱歌­了), 但一個頂級歌手應有的頭腔和胸腔共鳴發聲卻做未到家. 若頭腔和胸腔共鳴做得好, 根本就不會出現突然尖上去的情況.

[tmtstudio1983]

@alvincyt 歌唱/音樂藝術不是數學或物理, 沒有必要以register balancing或者邊個音域闊D呢D書本機械式的知識分高低­, 而且不同風格的歌曲對呢D技巧都有不同的標準要求, 只要歌者表達到歌曲的意境氣氛, 那就已經是成功. 歌唱技巧呢D, 不過是幫助歌者表達歌曲感情的工具而已, 去到能表達歌曲感情的境界就已經足夠. 既然整個表演表達到歌曲氣氛, 又何必在意那一兩個音不完美, 定係邊D位既register balancing不完美? 照我看你的評論, 你也不過是以機械人或死讀書的刻板公式去聽歌和所謂"分不同歌手­高低"而已; 我喜歡聽技巧完美的歌劇歌唱家演唱, 但同時也喜歡聽張學友或陳奕迅演唱, 雙方的歌唱技巧縱使相差得遠但同時我也會欣賞雙方的演唱, 沒有什麼"高低之分", 只因為我是以人類的情感去用心聽歌而已.

[alvincyt]

@tmtstudio1983 haha, 那麼某人因為張學友出過jazz碟就說他能唱jazz, 不是同一邏輯嗎? 哪為何同一邏輯只可用來說讚美的話呢?

"雙方的歌唱技巧縱使相差得遠" - 對啊, 那就是相差得遠.

[tmtstudio1983]

@alvincyt 像你這種聽人唱歌然後只會嘴炮, 話"呀邊個邊個mud野技巧比他好, 他那樣都做到歌神?", 你的生命中難道沒有更重要的事讓你去做嗎? 還是你到頭來也只是想show你自己識多人地一D, 串下D fans黎抬高自己為樂? 你都話你以前有聽張學友演唱會, 買他的cassette, 難道他的演唱沒有感動過你嗎? 我而家聽多左歌唱家演唱, 自己都叫做識下唱歌, 都不會去話"學友邊D唔及邊個wor, 高音只用假音, 又多喉音鼻音, 你地D fans聽下mud野先係真正唱歌啦, 哈哈哈"呢D下三流更顯得自己低俗的說話, 只因為張學友的演唱真係感動到我. 當演唱到達能帶出歌曲意境的時候, 技巧就只係一個附助工具而已. 而且即使如曹格或巫啟賢音域闊, 寫歌的人還是要幫他們寫高音歌, 最多加少少低音而已, 因為他們centered較高音, 唱低音都只係唱到個音但音色不醇厚, 不可能成首歌都低音讓他們唱. 學友則相反, centered低音所以低音醇厚, 高音較他們弱也是正常, 寫歌的人就會寫多D低音的歌讓張學友唱. 而且比邊個音域闊D定係唱得高音D分高低, 就像小學生那麼幼稚.

[alvincyt]

@tmtstudio1983 咁你而家又講? 你的生命中難道沒有更重要的事讓你去做嗎? 我洗乜串人D fans, 只係你地呢D "fans"受唔住逆耳的真話而已. 說到感動, 梁漢文都試過感動到我, 難道他又是歌神了? 我自問唱"有隻雀仔跌落水"也唱得不錯, 我又是歌神了?

p.s. 小學生懂得分那些歌手音域闊嗎? 你找個這樣的小學生來看看?

[tmtstudio1983]

@alvincyt 你只需答我兩個問題, 假設你有十個一齊hang out的朋友(或者朋友既朋友, 甚至係第一次見面既), 那十個人裡面都鐘意同一個歌手, 你會唔會0係他們面前話"呀邊個邊個唱邊D仲得啦, 你地聽他? 音域又唔夠邊個邊個闊"? 相信一個正常懂得人情世故既人都會識得答. 如果你的答案係"會", 相信你的人生和社交生活都一定係個失敗者. 小學生不會分邊個音域闊, 但你的行為就跟小學生一樣幼稚. 而且你認為那十個人聽你那樣說, 會認為那是"忠言逆耳的真話", 還是"扮晒野想人地覺得你勁, 搞串個party"? 如果你連這個問題都唔識答, 那你不如去死, 唔好浪費政府養你D錢. 你要用那樣負面的態度去評論一個歌手, 你自己私底下跟一個同樣不喜歡那個歌手的人講, 或者去第二D歌手的video講, 那沒有問題, 無人會覺得你黎搞搞震. 例如我不喜歡聽Justin Bieber, 我都不會那麼無聊, 去他的video講他點點點, 那樣只顯得我白痴, 不會顯得我"識野D". 你可以繼續講是非, 但係1000個人裡面有999人會覺得你係白痴仔, 你要繼續做呢個白痴仔我都無你辦法.

[alvincyt]

@tmtstudio1983 哈哈! 你這個問題, 已在在顯示出你聽歌只是人云亦云, 而非獨立思考了, 乜原來認唔認同一個人係歌神, 係要睇朋友而唔係睇自己既判斷? 乜原來批評一個歌手, 係要先避忌某一D場合先講? 咁你呢D就唔叫comment, 叫spoil. 乜youtube俾你收購左? 定你有股份? 定某個page俾你租左? 係就講聲, 咁我咪收聲囉! 你呢D叫"識做", 叫"俾面", 唔係叫"評論" Youtube俾人落"comments", 乜有話過comments一定要係讚? 你個白痴明唔明咩叫comments? 好彩我D朋友當中冇你呢種質素既人, 當然我亦唔會同你呢種質素既人做朋友.

[tmtstudio1983]

@alvincyt 我由頭到尾無強逼你要認同張學友做歌神, 只是叫你0米以為識多人地少少就0係度拋書包. 從你的言論, 看來你的朋友也是個個聚埋都只是識得講D明星是非, 嘴炮0甘講下邊個邊個幾廢叫人收皮等等. 我選擇唱得好既歌手就用心去聽, 唱得唔好既心知唔聽他D歌就算, 最多只會話"我唔係0甘鐘意聽他唱歌", 嘴炮黎都浪費我時間. 你0甘唔鐘意聽到歌手技巧上的缺點, 何必虐待自己的耳朵, 然後浪費時間去寫係人都會覺得你低能的評論? 你0係一大渣覺得首歌好聽既人裡面拋書包話個歌手既缺點, 講到自己先識野人地個個都唔識聽既評論, 你認為人地會唔會覺得你的評論很有說服力, 覺得你好識野? 用個屎忽唸都知道唔會. 我無話唔俾你講, 你講一百次一千次都得, 只係你無論點講, 你拋書包的目的都不會見到成效. 聽歌聽到好似你0甘用來同幾個跟你一擔擔的廢人朋友大家0係度講­是非圍威畏, 做人做到你0甘真係可悲. 至於影片版權, 你可以去youtube檢舉, 那不關我事. 我的說話到此為止, 你要繼續拋書包俾人圍插係你的事, 請原諒我割禾青, 無時間陪你"踢波". 我再講都貶低張學友跟陳奕迅的身份.

[alvincyt]

@tmtstudio1983

咁你而家又浪費咁多時間做乜? 你都浪費左唔少啦! on 99!

對不起, 我跟我的朋友很少講明星, 我地係講歌, 講戲, 講政治, 講經濟, 就係唔會講人.

至於評論張學友, 我亦唔覺得講音域就等於拋書包, 因為呢個只係常識, 若有人以為係拋書包, 咁只表示某D人連常識都欠奉..

[tmtstudio1983]

@alvincyt 識多普通人少少歌唱學問就擺個款好似0係度"更正"人地聽歌的意­見, 除左用"拋書包"外我想不到更好的形容詞. 況且以這個演出的氣氛效果而言, 即使那少許的所謂失誤根本就不影響整個表演氣氛, 這個時候講所謂"邊個音走左"定係"音域唔夠邊個闊"都只係讓人­笑話. 建議你看看呢個video, 人地呢D就真係叫有料的評論: watch?v=Cm8wPLwBVAE

我雖然不算優秀, 但都叫做係在美國的音樂劇歌唱表演者, 對於現場演唱和歌唱技巧甚至歌曲演繹呢D相信比你識得多, 只係平時我覺得唱得好的表演我就不去挑歌手的技巧破綻而已, 當我要去挑的時候, 那歌手的演繹就已經做得不夠好了. 我講過音樂不是數學, 不是要求絕對的準確度, 是要求對歌曲的表達方式, 要不然整D機械人唱歌就得啦. 李雲迪彈琴都試過彈錯音, 但整個演出彈得非常好, 我還挑黎做mud? 我聽你的評論就只覺得你只係一個比平常人識多少少就拋書包的門外­漢而已, 根本不了解歌唱音樂係怎麼的一回事就學人show自己識D mud技巧. 請你學下那個video人地點樣真係明白音樂/歌唱係怎樣的一回­事的評論係點,

[alvincyt]

@tmtstudio1983 哈哈! 那請你用你那"比少少多"的歌唱學問, 向我解釋一下, vitas音域闊定mariah carey音域闊? 點解vitas認第二無人敢認第一?

答不了, 那就不是我拋書包了, 而只是你在不斷的自暴其醜, 而且是用最惡俗的方式去自暴其醜而已.

[tmtstudio1983]

@alvincyt 我對歌唱也只是識少少, 還需要學習很多, 不過相信單憑我集中聽歌手的演繹而你只是故意挑人地D技巧音域的­事實來計算, 我對歌唱藝術的認識一定比你多. 我之前都講過我係講"幾乎"不是"絕對", 而呢個第一定第二都不是得一個名額, 你唔俾有人叫A跟vitas音域一樣, 唔俾有人叫B跟mariah carey一樣? 那樣便有兩個第二(vitas, A)兩個第一(mariah, B), 所以我都係講"幾乎", 同埋我好似聽聞有人能夠唱到鋼琴的最低音, 我係唔係又要邏出黎講? 況且假設你識既歌手比我多又點? 你唔識得去欣賞各歌手的演繹美感, 你比我聽多一千個一萬個歌手也是徒然. 而且你自己講到D技巧共鳴似層層驚死人唔知你識, 相信你也學以致用, 或多或少運用到你自己歌唱上面掛? 不如你錄你自己唱, 我個channel就有錄過我兩年前自己唱同埋現場演出的vid­eo啦, 自問不敢講唱得好, 還需要學很多, 我不會去你個錄音video做任何評論, 相信我地兩個聽對方若評論對方都不能顯示公正. 等大家聽下雙方的歌唱覺得邊個識多D. 人地覺得你的歌唱技巧好過我既, 我即刻收聲.

[luck1233]

@alvincyt 鸚鵡能言，不離飛鳥。猩猩能言，不離禽獸。今人而無禮，雖能言，­不亦禽獸之心乎？

[alvincyt]

@luck1233 飛鳥禽獸之言, 較諸人言, 何如? 人言之博大, 非禽獸能望其項背, 故有人禽之辯. 由是觀之, 巫氏曹氏可吟之音韻實比張氏繁多遼闊, 亦屬優劣之判.

汝之自相矛盾, 撿石砸足, 奇技淫巧教余歎為觀止.

[alvincyt]

@alvincyt 人禽之辨

[alvincyt]

@tmtstudio1983 更何況, 放片既人唔係你, 你憑咩扮代表去說明有咩意見可以講有咩唔可以講? 就算係, 你最多都只可以刪除你唔喜歡既comments, 你無權唔俾人講. 咁唔鍾意聽到批評, 就自己收埋段片打飛機打飽佢, 唔好放上網.

已經未同你計呢段片有冇侵犯版權, 更何況你唔係放片既人? 你有咩資格叫人可以做D乜唔可以做D乜? 正白痴.

[tmtstudio1983]

@alvincyt 再講最後一次, 我無叫可以做D乜唔可以做D乜, 只係話你聽你做的選擇如同一個智障, 比人覺得你拋書包又拋唔到, 想認0力都不會做到. 我當然不可以叫你照我方法做, 只係你要繼續智障你自己承擔. 而"你係唔係智障腦殘", 相信其他人心中有數. 講完, "踢波"比賽完畢.

[alvincyt]

@tmtstudio1983 你要玩"踢人不踢球"的招數, 本人樂意奉陪.

[alvincyt]

@stranger4135

羅文現場唱過"激光中"很多次, 我卻未聽過他會有過任何"突然尖上去"的情況(這就是基本功底的­分別). 難怪我記得他試過與張學友, 李克勤同台合唱, 唱畢後他讚賞李克勤的唱功卻沒有讚賞張學友, 只說他"把聲靚"就算了.

[felixtclo]

@alvincyt

我唔係好識唱歌

但係我覺得學友起唱呢首歌

唱"你"字同"他"字既時候都多用挑音

"你繾綣"個你字點睇都似係故意唱成咁

[stranger4135]

@alvincyt

我講出將key你說沒意思

儘管你一再說高音多高不重要

但看得出來你只是執著在高音的爆與亮而已

[stranger4135]

@alvincyt

其實我最鍾意的歌手是陳奕迅

他有時唱歌的情感真是會往心裡去

但論穩定及音樂性的表現

張學友絕對還是把現在華語樂壇的人拋在腦後的

更別提你說的曹格巫啟賢等人

[alvincyt]

@stranger4135

你說的甚麼音樂性或情感表現, 都是沒有客觀檢驗標準的討論. 若一個歌者在可以客觀量度的音域能力上落後於人, 那再拿幾多的主觀感受去為其"歌神"招牌貼金都是枉然.

[tmtstudio1983]

@stranger4135 有D人就係要挑那少少技巧上的問題, 不是用心去聽歌手點樣表達歌曲意境, 那跟一個機械人聽歌根本無分別. 我雖然對"歌神"這稱號沒放太大的權威性, 但我覺得許冠傑被認為係歌神係因為基本上係他創立香港樂壇, 在他之前根本只有國語及英文歌, 還有他那口語花及升斗市民式的歌詞觸動好多那年代的人的心, 讓香港人擁有自己的流行音樂; 張學友聲音醇厚帶美感, 唱起情歌能勾起好多90年代的人的愛情故事回憶而被感動, 並且後期雪狼湖為廣東話音樂劇帶來轟動, 他的演唱漸向藝術化, 為香港甚至華語音樂提高了藝術價值, 同時再次感動好多人; 陳奕迅受張學友很大影響, 但他選擇"平凡化", 擺脫傳統的"好聲音", 以日常人的生活細節做歌唱主題去感動身邊好多人, 跟張學友及不少前輩以華麗夢幻的愛情故事主題成一個對比, 破舊立新, 雖聽落沒有張學友的"浪漫"及醇厚, 但"平凡的聲音"在他那"平凡的故事主題"上唱出來一樣感動好多­人, 同時也不失藝術感. 個人認為"歌神"這稱號係代表那歌手的演唱對很多人的生命帶來影­響共鳴, 而不是單純的所謂優秀歌唱技巧.

[alvincyt]

@tmtstudio1983 不要再兜了, 如果要用"對很多人生命帶來共鳴"做標準, "歌神"個位, 張學友根本五甲不入, 數完鄧麗君許冠傑羅文譚詠麟梅艷芳都未到張學友.

[ozalice96]

@alvincyt I totally disagree to your post. The five singers that you mentioned are all good singers whom I respect. However, I have never cried listening to their songs.

They haven't touched me in the same way that Jacky has. So, what you depicted in your post is just your opinion which is fine as long as you don't treat it as a fact!

[alvincyt]

@ozalice96 唱歌touch唔touch, 同音域有幾多度, 何者係opinion, 何者係fact, 唔該你唔好顛倒是非.

[ozalice96]

@alvincyt You don't even know which of your post that I'm referring

to as I believe you have already removed that post. In that post, you said

Jacky is not even in the top 5 singers in the Chinese-speaking world

and he hadn't made any impact to his audience. You went on naming Teresa Tang, Alan Tam, Anita Mui, Roman Tam and Sam Hui as your preference. I am merely pointing out that Jacky did touch me with his songs and that your comments are purely your opinion, NOT a fact.

[alvincyt]

@ozalice96 LOL, if you want to differentiate "opinion" from "fact", please tell me, for what you said how Jacky's singing touched you, is it a fact or an opinion then? You are just making yourself a joke.

[ozalice96]

@alvincyt You completely missed the point. When I said

Jacky's singing touched me, it is my opinion. When you

said Jacky is not even in the top 5 singers in the Chinese-

speaking world, it is YOUR OPINION, not a fact! That's why

I asked you not to treat it as a fact as you are merely expressing

your own opinion without any basis. If you can't even grasp the

gist of my post, I see no point of responding to you any further.

[alvincyt]

@ozalice96 Fine! If you just focus on "opinion" itself, that's opinion for sure. Then, what do you think about my description on his vocal range? Is it a fact or an opinion? Give me a straight answer and don't even try to distract anyone from this point.

[ozalice96]

@alvincyt I don't have the musical expertise to comment on your

description of Jacky's vocal range. If what you said is accurate,

of course it is a fact because a singer's range can be measured.

You have to bear in mind it's the press and media who give Jacky

the tag, i.e. God of songs, not his fans. If the majority of people are

offended by this title or feel he's not deserving of it, there would be

a huge public out roar and this tag would simply disappear. It's OK

if you don't agree.

[alvincyt]

@ozalice96 LOL! Such a ridiculous and shameful logic. It seems that from now onwards, election of a president should not be based on number of votes for a particular candidate, but number of votes against him. LMAO!!!

p.s. by measurement, the vocal range of JC is about 21 keys, while Eric Moo and 曹格 have about 23.

[ozalice96]

@alvincyt The amount of people agreed with the title far outnumbered

the amount of people who opposed, which indicates Jacky has

more 'for' votes than 'against' votes. You never ceased to astound

me with your twisted logic. One simple truth, if the media continue

to use this title, it already proved how deserving Jacky is of the title

irrespective of his vocal range. Range is not the only factor people

will consider when they are appreciating music. To me, Jacky IS

God of songs. Period!

[alvincyt]

@ozalice96 LOL, your logic is as stupid as claiming that 呂方 is the most popular singer, but conducting a survey in his concert. btw, if you want to 訴諸傳媒, the first chinese/hk singer who has been given such title is sam hui, does it mean sam hui sings better than jacky does? LMAO

[ozalice96]

@alvincyt Regarding vocal range, Jacky is a baritone

whereas Eric and Gary are tenors. How can you expect

Jacky to reach that range if he was not born that way?

It's just like asking Anita Mui to sing in Faye Wong's key.

If she can't do it, does it mean she is not as good as Faye?

Every singer has his own strengths and weaknesses. It's

pointless to fixate on a small point and ignore the big picture.

By the way, can you give me your music credentials before I

accept your vocal range measurements?

[alvincyt]

@ozalice96 what you say simply proves that you are totally ignorant. vocal range refers to the range between the lowest note and highest note a singer can manage, so it's still a fair comparison between different singers no matter they are baritone or tenor. yes, every singer has his own strengths and weaknesses, and jacky's weakness is his vocal range.

[ozalice96]

@alvincyt You are a 40-year-old man (just guessing as you said

you went to Jacky's first concert in 1991) trapped in an adolescent's

brain! Your inability to rationalize, analyze and intellectualize my

posts renders me no alternative but to discontinue my dialogue

with you as it's an utter waste of my time! Your emotional outbursts,

name-calling and false accusations are concrete proof of what sort

of a person you really are! I only have 3 words for you. DELUSIONAL,

CONDESCENDING, PATHETIC.

[alvincyt]

@ozalice96 besides emotion accusations and personal attacks, obviously you have failed to make any point, and your wrong understanding on the nature of vocal range based on your ignorance just makes you nothing but a real loser.

[alvincyt]

@ozalice96 i don't need you to accept my measurement on vocal range, cause even another member here who alleged that he is "a musical performer", couldn't deny my comments on JC's vocal range. if you have any doubt, get some songs of both jacky cheung, eric moo and 曹格, and do the measurement yourself.

[ozalice96]

@alvincyt Vocal range is a fair comparison between singers

provided you compare like with like, i.e. tenor with tenor and

baritone with baritone. Otherwise, it's just like comparing

an apple with a pear! What's the point of comparing a

five feet tall man with a six feet tall one and say the former

is shorter without any regard to a person's natural

limitation! You gave me the vocal range measurements

without my asking for it. I just need to know if you are qualified

for such an assessment.

[alvincyt]

@ozalice96 bullshit! there is never a so-called "natural limitation" to make a baritone a wider vocal range in comparison with a tenor, or vice versa. A baritone can hit a lower note than a tenor does, while a tenor can hit a higher note than a baritone does respectively, and none of them necesssarily has a wider one. It just depends on an individual's capability. That means, you are just trying to "excuse" Jacky Cheung with a wrong reasoning.

[tmtstudio1983]

@ozalice96 Well actually in a more accurate saying, vocal range is not really something that measure a singer's level at all, especially when comparing two singers that has more than 2 octaves, that's totally nonsense. Regarding to technique, more important is the vocal resonance, stability for holding notes, and richness. Have a wider range won't make the voice more pleasant, but those 3 actually DOES make the voice more pleasant hence vocal range is not an accurate measurement for singers.

[tmtstudio1983]

@ozalice96 And even so, those 3 I mentioned about still only give a singer a fine instrument and a great technician only. Great singers are those who know how to apply their technique level to punch out the emotions and styles in their singing. So at the end is still individuals' opinions. I personally think Jacky is very good on that and many individuals agree. People can disagree, but explain how Jacky's flaws affect the emotions of his singing rather than "oh who has wider range so he sucks".

[tmtstudio1983]

@ozalice96 Some people may say those have wider range may have more song selections, it may sound true but it's not really true in reality. Songwriters work with singers base on their abilities, not singers select songs base on their abilities. Say if I write song for 曹格 who has wide range, I won't write low voiced songs or some songs requires to sing some low notes, as his tenor sound does not sound good on the lows even though he can sing low so his wide range is not useful in this case.

[ozalice96]

@tmtstudio1983 It's refreshing for a change to hear from someone

who actually knows what he's talking about. I echo your views

completely. By the way, who were named the 'four little kings'?

I'm curious as I don't live in HK.

[alvincyt]

@luck1233 Didn't you see? luck1233 said she has 5 octave of singing voice, just the same as that of Mariah Carey.

What a loud and big slap on your shameless face, LMAO!!!

[tmtstudio1983]

@ozalice96 yeah you are right, just like 新四大天王 that brought up several years ago, people did not agree with that title and nobody mentions that anymore.

[ozalice96]

@tmtstudio1983, @stranger4135, @P10456

Thank you guys for posting fair and balanced

comments. I experienced first hand your frustration

over alvincyt's nonsense. You guys have my full

support and respect. Let's ignore this lunatic

altogether and let by-gone be by-gone. All the best

to you guys and have a happy X'mas!

[taifanshu]

@alvincyt

hi how do you think about Eason singing style? way better than Jacy Cheung?

[alvincyt]

@taifanshu if you are talking about style, this would be a totally sujective discussion. according to my view, it depends on genres. For blues, jazz, r & b, Eason's handling is way better than that of JC.