Do you think Buddhism is the least harmful or most harmful? Which religion do think is the most Harmful and which do you think is the least harmful? This is just a random question if you want to know why im asking this.
"Do you think Buddhism is the least harmful or most harmful? Which religion do think is the most Harmful and which do you think is the least harmful? This is just a random question if you want to know why im asking this."
No, I don't think so. The most harmful are Christianity and Islam.
I dont support Buddhism but i think there are lot of valid points like Nirvana and the cause of suffering is greed etc., Buddha spoke 2500yrs ago so most of what he taught has been lost in translation. Buddha denied the existence of the soul, so what is there to be re-born or reincarnate? So in retrospect i take some of the valid ones for guidance and others i leave.
Karma means action without reaction, ur still young and i dont think u would understand that..
Reincarnation is not fundamental to Buddhism. Believing this is so just shows that you are limiting your view to the older traditions, and that you don't understand the context and history of the canon. Reincarnation is fundamental to some of the older traditions, but not to the practice the Buddha taught, nor to modern Buddhists who understand this.
Extinguishment of craving. It is the state in which one no longer has to train to let go of craving, it now happens naturally. See the Sutta-Nipata, Upasiva's Questions (towards the end) for the Buddha's own description of Nirvana.
Samsara doesn't depend entirely on reincarnation. It was perhaps phrased that way but it does not have be that way. Samsara can also be the round of clinging, not just of rebirth. Thus, I cling to this feeling of having a new car hoping that feeling will last, but it does not, so I get some other new thing, hoping that feeling will last, but it does not, etc.
You are so young, and so advanced. I think in time you will see the elements of truth in Buddhism and perhaps in other traditions.
The only lasting thing is the fact that nothing lasts.. ;)
Of course there are shortcommings as well.. You can't get rid of them, but instead of getting involved in them, you can just observe them as they are: non-lasting.. :)
The decomposed body doesn't go anywhere, it doesn't reincarnate and there's no soul. How do you define soul or "mind " you are talking about? The body is just a mixture of different substances, nothing more, nothing less.
So what was your point then? What do we need Buddhism for if we have sciense to tell as the exact same thing? I understand it as a philosophy but not as a religion that worships a person as a reincarnation of a man who lived about 2400 years ago.
Buddhism came out of Siddhartha's wish to find lasting happiness.. That's basically what buddhism is all about.. Science is about gaining knowledge about anything, where buddhism is about gaining knowledge that leads to lasting happiness..
If buddhism teaches something that goes against science, then common sense dictates that that teaching should be discarded.. You cannot take lasting refuge in a lie..
Well explain to me: How is it possible for a dead man to transform himself to another person? And what is that happiness you are talking about? What is the definiton for it?
Fair enough. That makes sense. Sadly though nothing in this world is lasting. What we have now is might be taken away from us tomorrow. So I have decided to live my life a day at a time. Life isn't all about happiness you know, the shortcomings are an important part of it too. It's a cliché but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and I think that is my personal purpose in this world. Nevermind the religions and gods...
im buddhist.. let me explain my understanding of reincarnation in buddhism for u..there's this thing we call "cause and affect" which is also used in the science world.. if there is a cause there is an affect.. reincarnation kinda means cycle.. it doesn't mean he has to turn into a man.. reincarnation almost sounds like recycle.. so what im saying is that when we're born somebody dies.. so when we die someone is born.. there's always a cycle cuz we're part of nature u can say that with kharma 2
Yeah pretty much. When I was younger, (7-9) I was a Buddhist. I didn't really follow it very well, nor did I understand it much. "I was once a Buddhist" isn't a valid argument against Buddhism, and I don't think I used it in this video.
Yes... and also the laws and order present in the mind during seriously good meditation practice: How neurotic thoughts can be pre-empted by detecting their beginnings analogously to water bubles going to the surface, and due to the mindful state and its side effect these thoughts don't arise, even if they would at that point, the would not cloud awareness, which may lead to another skill: a thinking that is bathed in awareness, so to speak. There are practical results that can be replicated! :)
I once found a website that said something like this: "There is room for a belief in God in buddhism." Of course the evidence for that was very scarce and vague. The following religions contain sects that contain valid, rational meditation systems: buddhism, daoism, contemplative christianity (which in actuality is EXTREMELY rare), sufism (a completely nonviolent sect of islam that seeks to destroy the boundaries between the creator and the ego as such boundaries are said to be an illusion).
Buddhism as a religion and as an entity suffers (like some of its practitoners), it has been intermingled in centuries of dogmatic belief and unproven religious and metaphysical certainty. By the way the meaning of the word karma has changed: it first meant action (and its consequence), but now it means a supernatural belief into (whatever the heck some believe). Rebirth used to mean the transformation of consciousness from an ego-based jujdgemental one to a purified one. Search Jon Kabat-Zinn.
Actually, thats only some sects. Most sects, especially in the US, don't believe karma, reincarnation... In fact, the fundamental concept of Buddhism is that you should lose faiths not only in supernatural beings, but also in reason... In this way, it is a philosophy. In other sects, its a religion.
I can't be sure how much of the sects there are that don't believe in the hinduistic karma, but there are people in America who believe nonsense, perhaps more than we both know. I'm glad to hear that some Americans don't believe in bullshit, but are instead good meditators who achieve clear and concise awareness that cuts through neurotic thought like a precise laser.
You go to the truly develop Theravada Buddhism country and ask the masters and learn and read a lot original Buddhism's books. If you don't understand don't just accept of your opinion but ask them. Buddhism is not a religious and a lot atheists in Aussie do the way of Buddha's teaching and do meditate, no matter any race or religious can do meditate, Buddha way for anyone and you can remain in what you belief. Don't just arguing no point.
Truly developed Theravadin country? You mean Thailand? Oh wait - the monks there support the sex slave. Sri Lanka? No, the monks there support anti-Tamil racism.
Boy! you should learn more. Buddhism is not a religious. I have been a Buddhism since i was young, i have learned about Buddhism a lot, I have meditate a lot. You are talking what you think but if you just think without practice hard to know the truth,Buddha's words are hard to understand without succeed meditate. You have to learn a lot if you don't want to meditate. Buddha was teaching about true nature of your body and mind, if you want really truth search in your body,don't just thinking.
For lack of room I'll only explain doubt in context. Doubt becomes a hindrance when it incapacitates us from taking action. It's an unhealthy skepticism that freezes us in our tracks and immobilizes us from taking fruitful action. Your secular Buddhist friend probably just didn't understand the Hinderances. They are explained quite well in The Wings to Awakening
"For lack of room I'll only explain doubt in context. Doubt becomes a hindrance when it incapacitates us from taking action. It's an unhealthy skepticism that freezes us in our tracks and immobilizes us from taking fruitful action. Your secular Buddhist friend probably just didn't understand the Hinderances. They are explained quite well in The Wings to Awakening"
Ah... that makes a great deal of sense. Although it could easily be interpreted the other way.
Allegedly (I'm not sure if this is true), Gautama was actually doing this to convert the Kalamas. The Kalamas asked him how to find the correct guru, and he said the sutta, and then where impressed by him and converted to the Dhamma.
While Buddhism looks like a religion to you; if you go back and read the literature of the mid 19th Century scholars (western scholars) really weren't sure if they should classify Buddhism as a religion or not. It lacked the traits they expected to find, like belief in a deity etc. Now, of course it's pretty common to accept it as a religion, which I certainly believe it to be.
Even if this allegedly were the case, there were other examples of him making similar statements to his own disciples who were already ordained as monks in his order. For example, the Mahatanhasankhaya Sutta, MN 38, Verses 24-25, or the Vimamsaka Sutta, MN 47.
I said he had no choice when he was a theocratic dictator. I was just saying he came from a line of theocrats nominated from random people who are the supposed reborn forms of the first Dalai Lama.
none what? Atheists? I'm thinking you mean there is/are no god(s) in Buddhism, thus it's not a religion. However, it has a central leader figure that created all these "morals,"
and ways to live etc.. Thus, it's a religion, along with some other factors.
3. I don't care about the Dalai Lama's opinion. He says that you being an active homosexual breaks one of the rules of Buddhism and nominated an actor with deep wallets as a tulku.
1. So anything that seems like it, just isn't, because you say so?
2. Ha! That is a truly ignorant view of religion. First, many Buddhists (in fact, I'd wager that most Buddhists) worship Bodhisattvas, and the Buddhist scriptures are replete with references to deities (the Dhammapada even mentions Indra). But even so, Scientology has no gods, and it is a religion.
Again you are wrong; there is no worship, especially for those that believe in Bodhisattvas (which is not Buddhist dogma, simply the belief of some) the belief is that all are Bodhisattvas and Buddhas.
I can see that you have read very little... A bodhisattva is one that puts off exiting the cycle of death and rebirth (for those that choose to believe it, again, not dogma) to be reborn to continue to help others achieve their Buddha nature. The vow is to continue to do so until all, even every blade of grass, has achieved enlightenment. It is simply a vow to continue to be in the cycle of birth and rebirth until all are free...Buddhas.
Even if you see Buddhism as a religion, what's the real problem with it?
Is Buddhism in any way as dangerous, as morbidly sadistic as Christianity or Islam? I don't think so.
MagiMysteryTour 3 years ago
The problem is that it's FALSE not that it's dangerous.
SaimDI 3 years ago
Do you think Buddhism is the least harmful or most harmful? Which religion do think is the most Harmful and which do you think is the least harmful? This is just a random question if you want to know why im asking this.
jc00213 3 years ago
"Do you think Buddhism is the least harmful or most harmful? Which religion do think is the most Harmful and which do you think is the least harmful? This is just a random question if you want to know why im asking this."
No, I don't think so. The most harmful are Christianity and Islam.
SaimDI 3 years ago
Leaving the theory of reincarnation out(becoz lots of ppl hv their own view on that) which part do u think is false?
KarthikSoun 3 years ago
"Leaving the theory of reincarnation out(becoz lots of ppl hv their own view on that) which part do u think is false?"
Reincarnation is fundamental to Buddhism. The whole point of Buddhism is ending samsara.
Karma, the heavens and hells, the idea that one should go and de-attach oneself from life, etc.
SaimDI 3 years ago
I dont support Buddhism but i think there are lot of valid points like Nirvana and the cause of suffering is greed etc., Buddha spoke 2500yrs ago so most of what he taught has been lost in translation. Buddha denied the existence of the soul, so what is there to be re-born or reincarnate? So in retrospect i take some of the valid ones for guidance and others i leave.
Karma means action without reaction, ur still young and i dont think u would understand that..
KarthikSoun 3 years ago
Reincarnation is not fundamental to Buddhism. Believing this is so just shows that you are limiting your view to the older traditions, and that you don't understand the context and history of the canon. Reincarnation is fundamental to some of the older traditions, but not to the practice the Buddha taught, nor to modern Buddhists who understand this.
justalittledust 2 years ago
OK justalittledust, if rebirth is not fundamental to Buddhism, what is Nirvana, then?
SaimDI 2 years ago
Extinguishment of craving. It is the state in which one no longer has to train to let go of craving, it now happens naturally. See the Sutta-Nipata, Upasiva's Questions (towards the end) for the Buddha's own description of Nirvana.
justalittledust 2 years ago
Samsara doesn't depend entirely on reincarnation. It was perhaps phrased that way but it does not have be that way. Samsara can also be the round of clinging, not just of rebirth. Thus, I cling to this feeling of having a new car hoping that feeling will last, but it does not, so I get some other new thing, hoping that feeling will last, but it does not, etc.
You are so young, and so advanced. I think in time you will see the elements of truth in Buddhism and perhaps in other traditions.
bshantonu 2 years ago
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MagiMysteryTour 3 years ago
I... have been.
There are no developed Theravadin countries.
SaimDI 3 years ago
The only lasting thing is the fact that nothing lasts.. ;)
Of course there are shortcommings as well.. You can't get rid of them, but instead of getting involved in them, you can just observe them as they are: non-lasting.. :)
BuddhaHippie 3 years ago
Maybe PM me an actually refutation of the things I said then, rather than just saying I'm ignorant?
SaimDI 3 years ago
The concept of reincaration can be proved to be false scienfically. That pretty much disproves all the Dharmic religions
TheFreethinker007 3 years ago
How so..? I don't know of any scientific evidence against rebirth.. Only different definitions of "mind"..
BuddhaHippie 3 years ago
The decomposed body doesn't go anywhere, it doesn't reincarnate and there's no soul. How do you define soul or "mind " you are talking about? The body is just a mixture of different substances, nothing more, nothing less.
JoonasFinland 3 years ago
Exactly.. According to buddhism (and science), there is no body or ego.. Like you said, it's just a mixture of different substances..
There is only mind, wherein all phenomena onfolds..
BuddhaHippie 3 years ago
So what was your point then? What do we need Buddhism for if we have sciense to tell as the exact same thing? I understand it as a philosophy but not as a religion that worships a person as a reincarnation of a man who lived about 2400 years ago.
JoonasFinland 3 years ago
Buddhism came out of Siddhartha's wish to find lasting happiness.. That's basically what buddhism is all about.. Science is about gaining knowledge about anything, where buddhism is about gaining knowledge that leads to lasting happiness..
If buddhism teaches something that goes against science, then common sense dictates that that teaching should be discarded.. You cannot take lasting refuge in a lie..
BuddhaHippie 3 years ago
Well explain to me: How is it possible for a dead man to transform himself to another person? And what is that happiness you are talking about? What is the definiton for it?
JoonasFinland 3 years ago
Everything transforms all the time.. Except that which is aware of the transformations.. That in which the transformations accour..
Your happiness is dependent on what you take refuge in.. Only if you take refuge in something lasting, you happiness will be lasting as well..
BuddhaHippie 3 years ago
Fair enough. That makes sense. Sadly though nothing in this world is lasting. What we have now is might be taken away from us tomorrow. So I have decided to live my life a day at a time. Life isn't all about happiness you know, the shortcomings are an important part of it too. It's a cliché but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and I think that is my personal purpose in this world. Nevermind the religions and gods...
JoonasFinland 3 years ago
im buddhist.. let me explain my understanding of reincarnation in buddhism for u..there's this thing we call "cause and affect" which is also used in the science world.. if there is a cause there is an affect.. reincarnation kinda means cycle.. it doesn't mean he has to turn into a man.. reincarnation almost sounds like recycle.. so what im saying is that when we're born somebody dies.. so when we die someone is born.. there's always a cycle cuz we're part of nature u can say that with kharma 2
markiexp85 3 years ago
"How so..? I don't know of any scientific evidence against rebirth.. Only different definitions of "mind".. "
Because there is nothing to be reborn - our body can't magically fly away and reincorporate itself into a different person.
SaimDI 3 years ago
Exactly.. I don't think any buddhist would disagree with that.. ;)
BuddhaHippie 3 years ago
Then what exactly is reborn?
SaimDI 3 years ago
Whatever thinks it is reading this comment right now..
BuddhaHippie 3 years ago
My consciousness?
So my memories, personality, etc. aren't?
SaimDI 3 years ago
Yeah pretty much. When I was younger, (7-9) I was a Buddhist. I didn't really follow it very well, nor did I understand it much. "I was once a Buddhist" isn't a valid argument against Buddhism, and I don't think I used it in this video.
SaimDI 3 years ago
Yes... and also the laws and order present in the mind during seriously good meditation practice: How neurotic thoughts can be pre-empted by detecting their beginnings analogously to water bubles going to the surface, and due to the mindful state and its side effect these thoughts don't arise, even if they would at that point, the would not cloud awareness, which may lead to another skill: a thinking that is bathed in awareness, so to speak. There are practical results that can be replicated! :)
MaBu888 3 years ago
Everyone, I'm not saying that Siddartha was a theist.
I'm just saying that most Buddhists are theists, and that Siddartha believed in the supernatural.
SaimDI 3 years ago
I once found a website that said something like this: "There is room for a belief in God in buddhism." Of course the evidence for that was very scarce and vague. The following religions contain sects that contain valid, rational meditation systems: buddhism, daoism, contemplative christianity (which in actuality is EXTREMELY rare), sufism (a completely nonviolent sect of islam that seeks to destroy the boundaries between the creator and the ego as such boundaries are said to be an illusion).
MaBu888 3 years ago
Buddhism as a religion and as an entity suffers (like some of its practitoners), it has been intermingled in centuries of dogmatic belief and unproven religious and metaphysical certainty. By the way the meaning of the word karma has changed: it first meant action (and its consequence), but now it means a supernatural belief into (whatever the heck some believe). Rebirth used to mean the transformation of consciousness from an ego-based jujdgemental one to a purified one. Search Jon Kabat-Zinn.
MaBu888 4 years ago
Actually, thats only some sects. Most sects, especially in the US, don't believe karma, reincarnation... In fact, the fundamental concept of Buddhism is that you should lose faiths not only in supernatural beings, but also in reason... In this way, it is a philosophy. In other sects, its a religion.
MSlapik 3 years ago
All of the sects support the supernatural.
It's just that some "Buddhists" don't.
SaimDI 3 years ago
Zen doesn't.
Sure, it doesn't out-right deny it either, but such matters are considered irrelevant in Zen.
danytibi 3 years ago
I can't be sure how much of the sects there are that don't believe in the hinduistic karma, but there are people in America who believe nonsense, perhaps more than we both know. I'm glad to hear that some Americans don't believe in bullshit, but are instead good meditators who achieve clear and concise awareness that cuts through neurotic thought like a precise laser.
MaBu888 3 years ago
You go to the truly develop Theravada Buddhism country and ask the masters and learn and read a lot original Buddhism's books. If you don't understand don't just accept of your opinion but ask them. Buddhism is not a religious and a lot atheists in Aussie do the way of Buddha's teaching and do meditate, no matter any race or religious can do meditate, Buddha way for anyone and you can remain in what you belief. Don't just arguing no point.
myo007 4 years ago
Truly developed Theravadin country? You mean Thailand? Oh wait - the monks there support the sex slave. Sri Lanka? No, the monks there support anti-Tamil racism.
SaimDI 4 years ago
Boy! you should learn more. Buddhism is not a religious. I have been a Buddhism since i was young, i have learned about Buddhism a lot, I have meditate a lot. You are talking what you think but if you just think without practice hard to know the truth,Buddha's words are hard to understand without succeed meditate. You have to learn a lot if you don't want to meditate. Buddha was teaching about true nature of your body and mind, if you want really truth search in your body,don't just thinking.
myo007 4 years ago
1. Argument from authority
2. I was a Buddhist when I was younger, too
3. So you're telling me to search my body (by thinking) rather than thinking? WTF?
SaimDI 4 years ago
Actually, its not really argument from authority, its just telling me to do "research" without telling me exactly what I said was wrong.
SaimDI 4 years ago
at 0:26
Actually, it's pronounced PAH-tro-ni-zing
It means you're talking down to someone
rougarou222 4 years ago
Its called an Australian accent.
SaimDI 4 years ago
For lack of room I'll only explain doubt in context. Doubt becomes a hindrance when it incapacitates us from taking action. It's an unhealthy skepticism that freezes us in our tracks and immobilizes us from taking fruitful action. Your secular Buddhist friend probably just didn't understand the Hinderances. They are explained quite well in The Wings to Awakening
buddhagem 4 years ago
"For lack of room I'll only explain doubt in context. Doubt becomes a hindrance when it incapacitates us from taking action. It's an unhealthy skepticism that freezes us in our tracks and immobilizes us from taking fruitful action. Your secular Buddhist friend probably just didn't understand the Hinderances. They are explained quite well in The Wings to Awakening"
Ah... that makes a great deal of sense. Although it could easily be interpreted the other way.
SaimDI 3 years ago
Your Kalama sutta "rebuttal" is nothing but a dodge. In no way did you address the actual content of the sutta.
Thanks, you have helped my point far more than you have debated it.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Allegedly (I'm not sure if this is true), Gautama was actually doing this to convert the Kalamas. The Kalamas asked him how to find the correct guru, and he said the sutta, and then where impressed by him and converted to the Dhamma.
How have I proved your point?
SaimDI 4 years ago
While Buddhism looks like a religion to you; if you go back and read the literature of the mid 19th Century scholars (western scholars) really weren't sure if they should classify Buddhism as a religion or not. It lacked the traits they expected to find, like belief in a deity etc. Now, of course it's pretty common to accept it as a religion, which I certainly believe it to be.
buddhagem 4 years ago
1. Early scholars where also generally more positive towards Islam.
2. Indeed. The reason is we've gotten over the idea that theism = religion.
SaimDI 4 years ago
Good thing there is no theism in Buddhism.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
There is some. Of course, its not nearly as prevalent as in Islam, Christianity and Hinduism, but its still there.
SaimDI 4 years ago
I guess under the guidelines of the Kalama Sutta, if one sees a god... then sure. Other than that, no.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Rkenzrage, seriously: MOST BUDDHISTS ARE THEISTS. Denying that is absolutely ridiculous.
SaimDI 4 years ago
Isn't Buddhism an atheist religion? Siddharth Gautima had disapproved of deities.
TheFreethinker007 4 years ago
Even if this allegedly were the case, there were other examples of him making similar statements to his own disciples who were already ordained as monks in his order. For example, the Mahatanhasankhaya Sutta, MN 38, Verses 24-25, or the Vimamsaka Sutta, MN 47.
XiaoGui17 3 years ago
Again you know nothing of the Dalai Lama, he has long stated to wish to transform Tibet into a Democracy... try again.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
I said he had no choice when he was a theocratic dictator. I was just saying he came from a line of theocrats nominated from random people who are the supposed reborn forms of the first Dalai Lama.
SaimDI 4 years ago
You have obviously never read the suttas... there is no religion.
What something "seems" like and what it is are two very different things.
Atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god(s), there are none in Buddhism, therefore it is not a religion.
I have a great deal of experience with the religion and it is not a religion, as stated clearly by the Dalai Lama many times.
This is a sad attempt.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
none what? Atheists? I'm thinking you mean there is/are no god(s) in Buddhism, thus it's not a religion. However, it has a central leader figure that created all these "morals,"
and ways to live etc.. Thus, it's a religion, along with some other factors.
korwinblue 4 years ago
(cont)
3. I don't care about the Dalai Lama's opinion. He says that you being an active homosexual breaks one of the rules of Buddhism and nominated an actor with deep wallets as a tulku.
SaimDI 4 years ago
1. So anything that seems like it, just isn't, because you say so?
2. Ha! That is a truly ignorant view of religion. First, many Buddhists (in fact, I'd wager that most Buddhists) worship Bodhisattvas, and the Buddhist scriptures are replete with references to deities (the Dhammapada even mentions Indra). But even so, Scientology has no gods, and it is a religion.
SaimDI 4 years ago
Again you are wrong; there is no worship, especially for those that believe in Bodhisattvas (which is not Buddhist dogma, simply the belief of some) the belief is that all are Bodhisattvas and Buddhas.
Play again.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
How the hell can everyone be a bodhisattva and buddha, if buddhahood is a GOAL?
SaimDI 4 years ago
I can see that you have read very little... A bodhisattva is one that puts off exiting the cycle of death and rebirth (for those that choose to believe it, again, not dogma) to be reborn to continue to help others achieve their Buddha nature. The vow is to continue to do so until all, even every blade of grass, has achieved enlightenment. It is simply a vow to continue to be in the cycle of birth and rebirth until all are free...Buddhas.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
I did know this. I was just saying that there are people who worship Bodhisattvas. I can see that YOU read very little.
SaimDI 4 years ago
If you have ever taken the time to read the Bodhisattva vow you would already know this.
This is the last time I hold your hand.
Do your own homework.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
I DID KNOW THIS.
SaimDI 4 years ago