F-22 useless? Well, there is one way to find out. I have a feeling that the odds will be in favor of the F-22 and it's pilots. I agree that the F-22 program is way more expensive than it should have ever been. The same can be said for the ongoing F-35 saga. In the end, the USAF has an advanced platform that, like any advanced piece of equipment, will have it's share of development problems. If anything, the F-22 makes going to war cost-prohibitive.
सुखोई यह रूस की एक महान कंपनी है. इस कंपनी ने दुनिया को बेहतरीन हवाई जहाज दिए है. दुनिया के कई देश इस कंपनी के मिलिटरी लड़ाकू विमान इस्तेमाल कर रहे है. भारत रूस का पारंपरिक मित्र देश है. अत्याधुनिक सुखोई भारतीय वायु सेना को सुशोभित करते है. भारत और रूस की दोस्ती इस दुनिया के अंत तक कायम बनी रहे. जय हिंद.
Many of you don't even realize this aircraft if not demonstrating its full potential here. Wait until its paired up with full thrust vectoring and has the maneuverability of the Su-35. Unfortunately american ignorance to admit that another product can be equal if not better then theirs is sad.
@Jordaxe12 Sukhoi is capable of building good aircraft. They had many years to study the F-22, copy it, and get info through industrial espionage. Anyone that looks at the F-22 and T-50 and cannot see the borrowed design features is delusional, the similarity is obvious. It's been like that since the Russkies started copying the F-15 as a model.
The leading edge devices on the LERX and the fully articulated vertical stabs are interesting features that I'd like to know more about.
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@88mroux Attentively look and read...))))) If you consider that F-22 better then it is not necessary neither to whom nor that to prove...))) Differently you look silly.......
american's rq170 stealth is stealthier then F117, B2,Raptor and F35, it was secretly trake and taken out, But I thought it was stealth? F117, B2,Raptor and F35,and rq170 are good, but only against third world nations rich in natural resources and slaves, come against the Russian airforce you will die like you died in Korea
@MrSrgj YA DUDE, JUST WAIT FOR THE PAK-FA TO BE INTEGRATED IN IAF AFTER THAT WE'LL GO TO RED FLAG EXERCISES & DO SOME REAL DAMAGE, RUSSIANS WILL SEE FOR THEMSELVES THE BEAUTY THEY BREATHED LIFE INTO, GO SUKHOI.....
@MrSrgj Name those experts. Full names and their graduate level. SO far only kids say PAK FA is worth something. It doesn't have any ready weapons, no stealth, no new engines. But kids will be excited.
@MrSrgj Weapons are not ready. In 2010 Russian fired K-77 only twice :D Engines were not ready one year ago, there were problems with them. So far it is only prototype, it will take years to get it serial state with full options :P
I would like to know these experts. Who would risk own name saying such stories :)
@MrSrgj The USAF did not refuse anything, it wanted to continue the program because it was getting to the economical phase of production. The aircraft is very expensive because of new technology created and added after initial design and test flight. The reason the program ended is politics. It's cutting edge, complex, and it has issues. If the T50 is perfect, why do things like engine trouble on takeoff happen and cause an aborted departure? The video is on youtube for all to see
@cessna369 T-50 It is equipped by other materials much cheap and effective. (Without alloy application invar) Engines T-50 and engines Su-30 and Su-35 differ from engines F-22. Engines Dry has more the best and reliable characteristics. The USA buy and copy old Soviet technologies: Yak-141 (F-35) also it is an established fact about which know all. Also the USA have bought two planes Su-27 from Ukraine (old Soviet assemblage)
@cessna369 Dont listen to Vanyaaynav, he's just rying to mislead you into believeing things that are not all true about the Raptor. And when there was a malfunction one time with the thrust vectoring engines was like nothing compared to the engine flame out on take off with the T-50 and the F-22 pilot at that time had no problem with landing the aircraft.
@MrSrgj Actually the USAF Does have F-22's in service. They were put back in service since late October of 2011. And they are also going through some upgrades. You dont even know everthing about the Raptor. What you might have seen at the Airshows is only a small fraction of what the F-22 is capable of. And another thing, we dont have 4++ gerneration fighters, we have 4th, 4+, and 4+++ generation fighters, as well as 5th gernation fighters. And thats the USAF!
@MrSrgj And another thing, my friend's brother is a F-22 Maintenance crew member so he knows much more aabout the Rpator than a guy like you would know. There are more secrets about the F-22 than meets the eye.
@MrSrgj It's to do with what the goverment is spending their tax money on and if we get a new president who is more loyal to the millitary, we would have more money for Raptor. And because i'm a US citizen I know the F-22 costs more than you! And what your'e saying is false i know the USAF more than you and the Raptors are still flying I've seen very recently! Say whatever you want but it wont do you any good. PS i'm not even going to tell you the cost.
@88mroux Yeah so you can go bomb the shit out of more innocent people the world over. That's just great. That's exactly what we need and what americans want. Their trillions in debt to grow even more while they can't afford to feed themselves so youc an go and steal countries' resources. And then you wonder why everybody in the world hates your ass. Mind you it's not your fault...it's the zionist fucks holding you, europe and the UK by the balls with the banking system
@BitnikGr I wouldn't say that any 5 gen fighter is the best fighter today.All of this "Stealth" aircrafts have in most times only its stealth to protect the aircraft from threats.4gen fighters are more sophisticated.And "stealth" doesn't mean invisible, new radars are concepted to locate "stealth" planes so i don't think stealth is so much superior.In my eyes its just wasting money just like F-22 wich cost 350$ mio. and it still has disease this is why production was canceled.
@Talshet Really? Then why 5th gen aircrafts belong to 5th generation and not 4th? What makes an aircraft to belong to 5th generation? What stands it off 4th generation aircrafts and why 4th generation aircraft won't ever become a real 5th generation fighter no matter how many ++++++ they have after digit 4?
Yes, you can put modern avionics on 4th generation fighter and you can reduce its RCS to some extend... but 5th generation aircrafts were developed 25-30 years later and that...
@Talshet ... means that they were developed with new technologies, new machinery, new materials, new scientific achievements in aerospace engineering, which were not available in 70s. How the hell 4th gen fighters are more sophisticated then? 4th gen fighter taking ALL possible measures to reduce its RCS won't ever be so stealthy as a 5th gen fighter. Among all Russian 4th gen fighters SU-35 is the most stealthiest with RCS about 0.5, which is an astonished achievement for 4th gen...
@Talshet ... fighter. But Sukhoi Designing Bureau says that RCS of PAK-FA will be 1/40 of SU-35. 5th gen fighters has extensive use of composites 40-70%, while in 4th generation they are used only at 15-25%. One requirement of 5th gen fighter is a supercruise, which demands significant progress in jet engine development. And you say that 5th generation is not "so much sophisticated"?? Really?
F-22 is maybe indeed an overpriced product, even with compromises with equipment installed and more money required per plane for further modernization... and maybe it is not ideal from cost/value ratio, but that's totally different subject. Overperfomance almost never goes together with low cost.
But without any doubts F-22 is the most advanced fighter in service today. And its production line is open. If US decided to build more of them, LM can do it.
@NosferatuAaacaado Why so much rush? Was F-22 ever challenged or had it to participate in any air-superiority task where F-15/16/18 were not enough? Only very recently 4++ fighters became closing the gap with Raptor, thanks to more advanced ESA radars and other detection means, only very recently. So, since LM had very limited order of 187 aircrafts to build, any modernization of them could start after building of all aircrafts were finished.
And that's exactly what they are doing. Since February 2012 LM starts modernization of entire F-22 fleet which will last 4 years and cost about $40mln per plane.
@Vanyaaynav Stealth means Low Observable and it doesn't mean Invisible. If stealth is SO wrong and useless then why Russia/India and China go for their stealth planes? Do they do a huge mistake and will spent huge budgets on air for something useless?
Concept of stealth is actually same with camouflage. Soldiers of the WW I started wearing haki color uniforms instead of bright shiny uniforms of 18-19th century. They became more difficult for optical detection... but not invisible.
@BitnikGr The Russian engineers are very well informed from what materials is made F-22. These are alloys from invara, very expensive in manufacture. Unfortunately bad and I cannot tell my English in more details. The Russian engineers use other materials for manufacture T-50 which are much cheaper and easier in manufacture. The Russian planes 4 + also are equipped with these new materials.
@Vanyaaynav Invar is not a composite. It is a metal. Russians use more composite. Question remained unanswered. Is "stealth" a crappy useless technology and stealth planes shouldn't be built at all? If yes, then why all major aero-industrial countries plan to build a 5th generation plane. If PAK-FA can be more stealth than another stealth is a different subject and if PAK-FA can become a great plane, then why F-22 isn't the most advanced plane in service today?
@BitnikGr Invar-it an alloy of metal very expensive in manufacture. Russian engineers use other technologies and other materials, much more cheaply. The American Stealth should visible for Russian a radar. The big role will be taken away not to a stealth, much bigger value will have a radar which will find the first aim. A stealth this secondary. Russian planes of the fifth generation are much cheaper in manufacture and ekspluatatsii.
@Vanyaaynav Its low value/cost ratio doesn't come in contradiction that today F-22 is the only 5th generation fighter in service and is the most advanced one.
Yes, F-22 is over expensive. Yes, maybe 5 SU-35 are better than 1 F-22 at the same cost. I don't argue with that. Still, F-22 is more advanced than SU-35.
Same thing happened when air forces were passing from 3rd to 4th generation. The latest versions of MiG-23 were on par with the first version of F-16... but that was all.
@BitnikGr The USA have constructed considerable quantity F-22 having enclosed in this project a fantastic sum. At each stage of this project the government of the USA assured all that problems are solved, but became real problems it was required even more money more and that them to solve also. How many it to be necessary money and how many years that there were no problems.....))))))
@BitnikGr Your logic is clear!!!! If it has the mad price.... If it is not effective.... If it has a considerable quantity of problems, this the best! Money thrown out on a wind it is good...)))))
@BitnikGr The Russian engines of the fourth generation much more surpass the American engines of the fifth generation in many parametres. New Russian engines of the fifth generation have much more possibility and are space technologies. Copy this name and place in search:
Most advanced,how?Even Mig-35 has better AESA radar(up to 260 km range with almost 180 degree vision in all directions),F-22 doesn't have OLS,it's 2D thrust vectoring is just laughable(if you ever looked at nozzles movement.Russian fighters use ceramic petals and special alloys to reduce engine heat,weapons are from mid to ultra long 300km+ range,while F-22 can't even carry such missiles.It fell in Alaska without anyone noticing even though it was escorted by other 2 planes.
Yes, Raptor's radar was the weak point and that's why it will be upgraded.
No, F-22 hasn't OLS or IRST, but it will get such system again in planned modernization within 4 years.
2D TVC is not laughable... it is an exchange of super-manouverability for low IR signature. Russians tested such nozzles too and prefered super-manouverability over low IR... that doesn't necessary mean that one is better than another... that simply...
It's 260 km,there's video on Russian about it.Go to main Mig-35 video and my comment from 2 days ago is with video name!In 4 years?In 4 years World can change twice over,lol.What super-maneuverability?Can't even do Cobra right,copying Russian maneuvers like Bell from 30 years ago from Mig-29.Nozzles vectoring angle worst than of Su-37 from 90's,as for low IR or RCS I don't buy into it.Just look at the Usaf propaganda video of that same drone that Iran captured,pathetic lies.
@BoxyTheSpaceDog I prefer to believe data given by NIIR "Fazotron" and they say 200km and even less for Zhuk-AE export version.
In 4 years of full scale production Russian will build about 50 PAK-FA. So, extensive modernization of 180 planes in 4 years is not so bad number.
I don't buy LM's fairytales about "size of marble" RCS of F-22 (but only under ideal conditions in the lab). As I said, subject is not F-22 itself... Do you believe Sukhoi? And Sukhoi says that RCS of...
Regarding reduced IR signature with nozzles like on F-22 there is a great and unique video footage in documentary "СУ-27 Лучший Истребитель" where SU-27 was tested with one normal nozzle and one flattened on the same plane. Thermal image shows significantly reduced IR signature on the right nozzle. So, its supermanouverability vs IR signature. In either case it is a compromise.
@BitnikGr It was the old documentary film of Soviet period where this experiment has been shown. It was not effective and the Soviet engineers have chosen other way on reduction of thermal radiation...
@Vanyaaynav HA-HA! How exactly it wasn't effective if Mr. Pogosyan himself says that IR signature of 2D TVC nozzle was reduced by tens of times compared to a regular nozzle?
I agree that today there can be another methods to reduce IR signature, but point before was that 2D TVC doesn't reduce IR signature and it is American propaganda and bullshit. That Soviet experiment clearly shows that it's not anyone's BS and that is a reality.
@BitnikGr It was effective with smaller radiation of heat, but it was not effective from maneuver and flight qualities. Now thermal treatment decreases by means of other technologies of more effective....
I just don't believe in USAF fairy tales,that's all!They claimed F-117A was undetactable yet my fellow Serbs took out 3 out of 10 that were used in Kosovo 99' war.What happened than?Australia and Britain withdrew from orders and have to wait till earliest 2015 for any deliveries of F-35,which is even bigger failure than F-22!Drone that Iran captured is US most advanced UAV(by their video claims)and what happened?F-22 disappeared from radar in Alaska,located in 5 days,c'mon!
@BoxyTheSpaceDog Where is the evidence that the screwball Serbs shot down three F117's? Sorry, I don't believe in lowbrow central Euro fairy tales. They shot down one because it was in a "dirty" config due to pilot error and therefore detectable. The USAF should have hammered every Serb around the debris to keep it from Russian hands, which undoubtedly helped them in their stealth pursuit.
Iranian capture of a drone? Maybe, maybe not. It was a software issue, not hdwre.
@BoxyTheSpaceDog Low frequency radar can see stealth aircraft but has poor resolution, it didn't even hit the f-117 it exploded near it then it put in into a spin that it can't recover from then boom and oh yeah the f-22 that disappeared from radar was stealthy huh lolz. WP report = incorrect the f-35 isn't even ready yet.
300km range for AAM is for AWACS and Air Refuellers. Stealth fighters can't be detected at such ranges and such heavy missile isn't very manouverable to cope with evading fighter. Not to mention that these missiles will get into service only during this year. They are not yet operational.
Subject is not about specifically the Raptor, but that 5th gen planes are much more sophisticated than 4th gen ones.
@BitnikGr I dont agree with that point that F-22 is most advanced fighter in service.As the F-22 develope programm was shot down, the F-22 already had lot of disease after that they had only 20$ mio per plane to find solutions for this disease, sorry but if the 3 other times wich was 8,3billion $ to solve the corrision for only 80 planes, than another 80millioin $ and again 60million $ per plane to solve this problemes, wich cant solved through 3 budget added,and it has still problems
@Talshet And Just like the ME-262 from the second World War there are actually some things about the aircraft that make if more advanced than anything in the world. including the T-50! You dont even know half of what i know about the Raptor.
@MrSrgj The T50 is a new plane, on what basis could anyone say it is the "best"? It has no record, certainly not a combat record, and not much of a performance or maintenance record. No one really knows what radar and fire control it has except the Russkies close to it, and it has not been up against another Gen 5 fighter, or even Gen 4, in combat. The F-22 first flew in 1997, and it took Sukhoi almost a full generation to ever gets its bird in the air.
@MrSrgj How much of that famous Russian industrial espionage of American industry did it take for Russia to build a stealth fighter? Sukhoi is a talented agency, but you know the Russians have always been technology "borrowers." And now even the Russians have to contend with that from the Chinese.
@cessna369 Yeah i have to agree Sukhoi is a talented agency with fighters like the t-50 and the Su-35 that can really inspire people. But when it comes to devoloping new technologies, they are Borrowers. And We were actually lucky the Raptors were grounded so that they couldnt participate at MAKS, even if the USAF wanted to have a Raptor or 2 be featured in the airshow. If We did the some Russians might have worked out a way to get acess to the secret features of the Aircraft.
@88mroux You already have much written about all secrets F-22 on many Russian sites.....))))) the Government of the USA can accuse you of classified information disclosure as Bradley Menning's Ordinary American army. You can plant on an electric chair or on lifelong stay in prison. Be careful....))))))
@Vanyaaynav I did not share all secrets about the F-22 Rpator on many Russian websites. I've only been trying to make clear that the Raptor is not useless! If shared any secrets that the Rpator has up it's sleeve, I would be letting my country's guard down. I wouldn't dare do something that stupid! I'm loyal to my country, and I wouldn't even take Kindly to anybody that would even want to slaughter our own US Troops and Millitary pilots!
@88mroux You justify also it means that you are guilty.... You not meaningly spread the classified information on the Russian sites as you simply do not realise that you have made a crime. You awake are punished.... Be in your house and for you agents CIA will come.
@Vanyaaynav I did not share not share any secrets or classified information about the Raptor! And even the F-22 pilots in the videos dont even tell you the secrets of the Raptor! And i'm well aware of crimes! And you have no idea of how the US goverment runs the systems. "You awake are punished... Be in your house and for you agents CIA will come." Thats for Communist countries! And The USA is not a Communist Country! Your trying to frame me! How do you expect me to belive you!
@88mroux I think that the USA becomes similar as the USSR. Confidential prisons worldwide where people torture are created, force and kill. You have already enough written and have told. Many other your comments on other Russian sites have been removed.... I assume that it was made by you....))))) your fault is proved, expects you an electric chair or a life imprisonment in prison....)))))
@88mroux Dude, it's hard to argue with a bunch of crazy Russians and eastern Europeans. Logic is not part of their psychology, and their inferiority complex is on full display, 24 hours per day. There is nothing said in these comments anywhere that is not public knowledge and Russian imagination. None of the people extolling the virtues of the Russkie fighters demonstrate a great knowledge, I doubt any of them are engineers and pilots. I've flown Sukhoi aerobatic craft and Yaks.
@Vanyaaynav Where are these "secrets" you reference? They certainly are not in the comments section for this video. Everything stated here is either public domain info or hyperbole by delusional Russians and eastern Europeans.
@cessna369 That that you visit Russian sites and try to prove that or is your inferiority complex which you leave in your comments. Russian neither to whom nor that do not prove.... Russian do....)))))
@Vanyaaynav What are you saying? I am visting an American site, youtube, founded in America by Americans. I cannot really comment on the rest of your Russian gibberish. You really should cut back on the vodka before you post on the internet.
@88mroux IMO, Sukhoi and Kamov are the most creative. But even they have always been highly dependent on the govt and have been starved by being in Russia. But for the restrictions on Germany and their national psychosis that persists from WWII, they would be kicking the Russkies' asses in aircraft design and construction. Germ is an engineering nation and has much more freedom that Russia. It could become an aviation powerhouse again, but not if weighed down by Euro consortium.
Have to say it does not look terribly stealthy... Can't see any radiation absorbing coating and the engine exhausts are MASSIVE - no attempt to mask or disperse IR at all. Looks like a simple upgrade to the SU35....
@Vanyaaynav Ahh right - thats how you handle a discussion - ridicule and attempt to silence arguments you don't like through intimidation and threats... how very soviet union..
@krackersdave hmmmm, I don't think its an Su-35 upgrade,there are lot of changes in the airframe as compared to the Su-35, yes though it is not as stealthy, but it is still in it's pre-flight stage, and will be introduced maybe in the end of 2015-2016, so we can still hope for more, like geting rid of that ridiculous framed canopy or using RAM for the engines, saw tooth nozzles, more composite usage,etc but i can say that it is more maneuverable than the F-22(LEVCON design)
@88mroux I think we should wait for production version with revealed performance details to judge who is best. Fo sure, kids will judge by computer games and YT top10 ratings, made by other kids...
@Krishna0666 Yeah exept that the F-22 Raptor has many things about it that are top secret like the stealth technology and the super the ways those things work you know we cannot show that at an airshow . You might have heard that nobody is allowed to buy the F-22 Raptor. US Self defense Congress banded this aircraft from ever being exported.
@Krishna0666 Perhaps the Russians are trying to hide 3d thust vectoring manuvers that really are not anylonger mistyrious after all we saw the 3d thrust vectoring manuvers performed by the Su-35. They they would be no better than the Su-35 and The more sopisticated F-22 Raptors Are going though some upgrades. interms of stealth and supercruise when it comes to a Raptor we are not cannot show that at airshows cuz the way it all works is Classified.
@88mroux T-50 is still in developing stage, performing tests and I think that nobody still really knows its real agility limits. Nobody will push the limits of the prototype pilotage to crash it and to waste some months of the whole project progress because of that. And fo sure that will never be done during the first presentation at the public airshow !
@88mroux i don t know if u know but hmmmm f22 is gone they canceled the whole project and that plane would not see any military action ever. Its the biggest military waste of money in human history. its so bad and fragile that for every 30 minutes in flight its 36 hours of maintance. F35 is inferior to current su 35 read australian airforce anylist about that
@valmalakhov Dude, what you are saying is totally False. The Raptor is back in Military Sevice it just had to go through some upgrades durring last summer. And the despite the T-50 being cheaper, it's stealth capability is actually poor at best. Putin's never got his hands on a Raptor to see the real difference. And no, the only thing the Su-35 has over the F-35 is manuverability. The F-35 relies totally on stealth.
@88mroux If you want to deceive yourselves and to look silly, you can do it...))) the USA Jak-141 the bought two planes Su-27 (the Soviet assemblage) from Ukraine and many other things buys old Soviet technologies for example. Your of stealth technology are not confidential...)))
@Vanyaaynav I'm not falling for your brainwash capabilities. Let me ask you this, what do you know about the Raptor?! You tell me what you know about Raptor!
@88mroux I do not try to prove to you that Т-50 better because I know that Т-50 the best! I do not confirm that that F-22 shit, because F-22...))) I present you with a fait accompli! Copy these names and place in search:
Why F-22 Raptor production was canceled ? - World News
The Truth About the Useless F-35 & F-22
Petr Ufimtsev the Creator & Father of Stealth Technology - Russian Stealth
@valmalakhov Not only by quality factor but also amount factor Russia is 20 years behind USA. You can excite one new plane and you are happy to get 5 of them, while USA has 200 better of them.
Same applies to the Su34, Su-35 which you have only few of them. Most of Su-27 is from 1980-1990. Overall big nothing :) In conventional war you can fight only against Turkey, nothing more.
Brutal truth, even in 2011 major of Ru army fed soldiers by dog food.
why would america invest almost 400 billion dollars into f 35 which is inferier to su 35 and russia is getting this now ! go russia this thing is gonna blow any out of the sky !
@valmalakhov and plus the developmsent of other countries such as china and india make them obsolete in in what a fighter jet can do a russian fighter jet such at su 30 will kill any american, indian and chinese planes on peper works right now i believe that india released a fighter jet couple of years ago that cant even match a russian plane build 30 years ago
Its a very nice Airplane itsthe cream of the fighteraircrafts. O men i realy hate my swiss Goverment and the Stupid defence Minister that they not buy the Sukhoi T-50 as new jet :-(
It would bee a big boost for our air force and aviatic industrie (Licence building)
@Vikingdescendent Me to. I would also love for America to bring all their companies home AND build that same fence we're talking about between MEXICO and the lower states.
Then. When our Air force and Navy need to kick a bitch around. we can always call on the wimps up North, huh. A gang of weak back fucks that still makes bitch-ass dresses for the queen and her daughter (son) Princess Charles.
@Vikingdescendent We know almost nothing about this jet yet...and your already talking shit about the f -35. What issuies the t-50 has, what it's weak points are, what will need to be fixed, etc. I wish that you did get this jet...you don't deserve the f-35.
@Vikingdescendent Dude you dont know anything about the F-35. Even the F-22 Raptor is more feared than the T-50. And the US millitary doesnt even fear the T-50 do to how more durrable and stealthier The Raptor is.
@NosferatuAaacaado What comment? I think you are reffering to a comment i posted on "Putin T-50 PAK FA is Better than the F-22" when i was sharing my views with DeMoNMiNdLS
F-22 useless? Well, there is one way to find out. I have a feeling that the odds will be in favor of the F-22 and it's pilots. I agree that the F-22 program is way more expensive than it should have ever been. The same can be said for the ongoing F-35 saga. In the end, the USAF has an advanced platform that, like any advanced piece of equipment, will have it's share of development problems. If anything, the F-22 makes going to war cost-prohibitive.
n74jw 1 day ago
सुखोई यह रूस की एक महान कंपनी है. इस कंपनी ने दुनिया को बेहतरीन हवाई जहाज दिए है. दुनिया के कई देश इस कंपनी के मिलिटरी लड़ाकू विमान इस्तेमाल कर रहे है. भारत रूस का पारंपरिक मित्र देश है. अत्याधुनिक सुखोई भारतीय वायु सेना को सुशोभित करते है. भारत और रूस की दोस्ती इस दुनिया के अंत तक कायम बनी रहे. जय हिंद.
MrIndianpatriot 1 day ago
F-22 соснет хуйца !!! наши самолеты и танки самые лучшие и вообще скоро НАСТАНЕТ ПИЗДА ВАШЕЙ ХВАЛЕНОЙ США!!!!
ArtRUNIsoft 2 days ago
@ArtRUNIsoft Может хватит орать на США? Я не сторонник такой теории, но что тебе штаты то сделали?
Sortsylic 17 hours ago
@Sortsylic Хочет человек пусть говорит или вы коммунист и отменяете свободу слова?
Vanyaaynav 14 hours ago
@Vanyaaynav Да я ничего не знаю о коммунизме и не коммунизме, но вряд ли это так.
Sortsylic 12 hours ago
@Sortsylic А ну понятно,тогда все наоборот........гринкарту отрабатываешь.Привет дяде сэму.....
Vanyaaynav 12 hours ago
@Vanyaaynav Да нет, я даже в соседние европы не собираюсь. Откуда такие суждения? И куча..........лишнихх.........................точек
Sortsylic 12 hours ago
@Sortsylic УДАЧИ НА НОВОМ МЕСТЕ! (БЕЗ ТОЧЕК)
Vanyaaynav 12 hours ago
@Vanyaaynav Да вы, батенька, параноик.
Sortsylic 4 hours ago
@Sortsylic По себе других не ровняют...)))
Vanyaaynav 30 minutes ago
красава
BURAVHIK1 3 days ago
Just wait if it is a stealth aircraft its gonna get problems like weight.
ESC8781 5 days ago
Many of you don't even realize this aircraft if not demonstrating its full potential here. Wait until its paired up with full thrust vectoring and has the maneuverability of the Su-35. Unfortunately american ignorance to admit that another product can be equal if not better then theirs is sad.
Jordaxe12 6 days ago
@Jordaxe12 Sukhoi is capable of building good aircraft. They had many years to study the F-22, copy it, and get info through industrial espionage. Anyone that looks at the F-22 and T-50 and cannot see the borrowed design features is delusional, the similarity is obvious. It's been like that since the Russkies started copying the F-15 as a model.
The leading edge devices on the LERX and the fully articulated vertical stabs are interesting features that I'd like to know more about.
cessna369 6 days ago
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AnimusPipboy 1 week ago
all of a sudden i want to be a russian citizen...
kondakor1998 1 week ago
Dear Santa...
HugeGamerOfCod 1 week ago
Слава Русскому народу!..
KivanV 1 week ago
@88mroux The facts and only the facts...)))))
Vanyaaynav 2 weeks ago
@Vanyaaynav I've compared them to other videos that show the details about the Raptor, they are not facts. They are only part your apinion.
88mroux 2 weeks ago
@88mroux Attentively look and read...))))) If you consider that F-22 better then it is not necessary neither to whom nor that to prove...))) Differently you look silly.......
Vanyaaynav 2 weeks ago
american's rq170 stealth is stealthier then F117, B2,Raptor and F35, it was secretly trake and taken out, But I thought it was stealth? F117, B2,Raptor and F35,and rq170 are good, but only against third world nations rich in natural resources and slaves, come against the Russian airforce you will die like you died in Korea
YUSKHAN 3 weeks ago
T-50 PAK FA fighter of the best in the world. So say experts from the world of Britain and the United States.
Pride does not allow the Americans to come to terms with it. Americans still believe that the F-22 Raptor the best.
MrSrgj 3 weeks ago 17
@MrSrgj YA DUDE, JUST WAIT FOR THE PAK-FA TO BE INTEGRATED IN IAF AFTER THAT WE'LL GO TO RED FLAG EXERCISES & DO SOME REAL DAMAGE, RUSSIANS WILL SEE FOR THEMSELVES THE BEAUTY THEY BREATHED LIFE INTO, GO SUKHOI.....
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watch?v=rozvHYg-9oI
29BILLYJ 2 weeks ago
@MrSrgj Pride does not allow the Americans to come to terms with it? What do we care?! Wer'e not interested in the PAK FA anyway.
88mroux 2 weeks ago
@MrSrgj Name those experts. Full names and their graduate level. SO far only kids say PAK FA is worth something. It doesn't have any ready weapons, no stealth, no new engines. But kids will be excited.
Boberrosini 1 week ago
@Boberrosini
All components, avionics, turbines for Т-50 Pak Fa are ready for serial release.
Into the account of experts, look in Google because I can't is correct to name names now, I don't want to be mistaken.
MrSrgj 1 week ago
@MrSrgj Weapons are not ready. In 2010 Russian fired K-77 only twice :D Engines were not ready one year ago, there were problems with them. So far it is only prototype, it will take years to get it serial state with full options :P
I would like to know these experts. Who would risk own name saying such stories :)
Boberrosini 1 week ago
@Boberrosini
After identifying the problems, U.S. Air Force refused to F-22 Raptor of 5th generation.
Therefore, today U.S. Air Force has only old fighters of the 4th generation F-15, F-16, etc.
In near future, Air Force will get new fighters F-35 a vertical take-off, but experts say, F-35 are just fighter 4 + + generation.
Russian fighters the best in the world!
MrSrgj 1 week ago 17
@MrSrgj Source.... where is it?
Boberrosini 1 week ago
@Boberrosini
Look at Google.
MrSrgj 1 week ago
@MrSrgj You don't have it. As always Russian kids say crap.
Boberrosini 1 week ago
@Boberrosini Copy these names and place in search:
Why F-22 Raptor production was canceled ? - World News
The Truth About the Useless F-35 & F-22
Petr Ufimtsev the Creator & Father of Stealth Technology - Russian Stealth
Engines - Su-27, F-15, F-22 Raptor, Sukhoi PAK FA
Vanyaaynav 1 week ago
@MrSrgj The USAF did not refuse anything, it wanted to continue the program because it was getting to the economical phase of production. The aircraft is very expensive because of new technology created and added after initial design and test flight. The reason the program ended is politics. It's cutting edge, complex, and it has issues. If the T50 is perfect, why do things like engine trouble on takeoff happen and cause an aborted departure? The video is on youtube for all to see
cessna369 6 days ago
@cessna369 T-50 It is equipped by other materials much cheap and effective. (Without alloy application invar) Engines T-50 and engines Su-30 and Su-35 differ from engines F-22. Engines Dry has more the best and reliable characteristics. The USA buy and copy old Soviet technologies: Yak-141 (F-35) also it is an established fact about which know all. Also the USA have bought two planes Su-27 from Ukraine (old Soviet assemblage)
Vanyaaynav 5 days ago
@cessna369 Copy these names and place in search:
Petr Ufimtsev the Creator & Father of Stealth Technology - Russian Stealth
Engines - Su-27, F-15, F-22 Raptor, Sukhoi PAK FA
Why F-22 Raptor production was canceled ? - World News
Captured US drone RQ 170 Iran TV
Dogfights F-22 vs Su-35 MUST SEE!!!
Vanyaaynav 5 days ago
@Vanyaaynav /watch?v=RgiThPPnIcY
ESC8781 5 days ago
@ESC8781 спасибо....
Vanyaaynav 4 days ago
@Vanyaaynav ваше гостеприимсво
ESC8781 4 days ago
@ESC8781 какие гости ,такое к ним и отношение....
Vanyaaynav 3 days ago
@cessna369 Dont listen to Vanyaaynav, he's just rying to mislead you into believeing things that are not all true about the Raptor. And when there was a malfunction one time with the thrust vectoring engines was like nothing compared to the engine flame out on take off with the T-50 and the F-22 pilot at that time had no problem with landing the aircraft.
88mroux 5 days ago
@cessna369 You're absolutely right about every thing you said
88mroux 5 days ago
@MrSrgj Actually the USAF Does have F-22's in service. They were put back in service since late October of 2011. And they are also going through some upgrades. You dont even know everthing about the Raptor. What you might have seen at the Airshows is only a small fraction of what the F-22 is capable of. And another thing, we dont have 4++ gerneration fighters, we have 4th, 4+, and 4+++ generation fighters, as well as 5th gernation fighters. And thats the USAF!
88mroux 5 days ago
@MrSrgj And another thing, my friend's brother is a F-22 Maintenance crew member so he knows much more aabout the Rpator than a guy like you would know. There are more secrets about the F-22 than meets the eye.
88mroux 5 days ago
@88mroux
One of the reasons why the F-22 Raptor abandoned because an expensive and useless fighter jet.
In July 2009 the USAF announced that one hour of flying the F-22 costs - $ 44,000
I'm not sure but I think that you can not earn as much money, even during the one year.
MrSrgj 4 days ago 13
@MrSrgj Your'e lying because i know i saw F-22 Raptors flying very recently!
88mroux 4 days ago
@MrSrgj It's to do with what the goverment is spending their tax money on and if we get a new president who is more loyal to the millitary, we would have more money for Raptor. And because i'm a US citizen I know the F-22 costs more than you! And what your'e saying is false i know the USAF more than you and the Raptors are still flying I've seen very recently! Say whatever you want but it wont do you any good. PS i'm not even going to tell you the cost.
88mroux 3 days ago
@88mroux Yeah so you can go bomb the shit out of more innocent people the world over. That's just great. That's exactly what we need and what americans want. Their trillions in debt to grow even more while they can't afford to feed themselves so youc an go and steal countries' resources. And then you wonder why everybody in the world hates your ass. Mind you it's not your fault...it's the zionist fucks holding you, europe and the UK by the balls with the banking system
papapetad 1 day ago
@papapetad Well, the Russian armed forces aren't making the best showing in Chechnya.
n74jw 1 day ago
@papapetad Where did you get this??!
88mroux 1 day ago
@MrSrgj And ofcourse i'm not going to tell you the secrets about the Raptor or else they would not be secrets now would they!
88mroux 4 days ago
@MrSrgj SU-30,35 was better than F/A 22.T-50 is space age tech compared to the raptor.
AnimusPipboy 1 week ago
@MrSrgj Oh well...Just gives us something to look forward to. Back to the drawing board, I'm sure we'll create something even more epic...in time ;)
I will admit though, this is a beautiful plane. The f35 should have been this plane but things got all screwy within the government bureaucracy
1337wafflezz 1 week ago
@MrSrgj I always wonder how incompetent people are, who compare a prototype with a fighter, which is in service already for 6 years.
Yes, F-22 Raptor is the best fighter in service today!
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr I wouldn't say that any 5 gen fighter is the best fighter today.All of this "Stealth" aircrafts have in most times only its stealth to protect the aircraft from threats.4gen fighters are more sophisticated.And "stealth" doesn't mean invisible, new radars are concepted to locate "stealth" planes so i don't think stealth is so much superior.In my eyes its just wasting money just like F-22 wich cost 350$ mio. and it still has disease this is why production was canceled.
Talshet 6 days ago
@Talshet Really? Then why 5th gen aircrafts belong to 5th generation and not 4th? What makes an aircraft to belong to 5th generation? What stands it off 4th generation aircrafts and why 4th generation aircraft won't ever become a real 5th generation fighter no matter how many ++++++ they have after digit 4?
Yes, you can put modern avionics on 4th generation fighter and you can reduce its RCS to some extend... but 5th generation aircrafts were developed 25-30 years later and that...
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@Talshet ... means that they were developed with new technologies, new machinery, new materials, new scientific achievements in aerospace engineering, which were not available in 70s. How the hell 4th gen fighters are more sophisticated then? 4th gen fighter taking ALL possible measures to reduce its RCS won't ever be so stealthy as a 5th gen fighter. Among all Russian 4th gen fighters SU-35 is the most stealthiest with RCS about 0.5, which is an astonished achievement for 4th gen...
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@Talshet ... fighter. But Sukhoi Designing Bureau says that RCS of PAK-FA will be 1/40 of SU-35. 5th gen fighters has extensive use of composites 40-70%, while in 4th generation they are used only at 15-25%. One requirement of 5th gen fighter is a supercruise, which demands significant progress in jet engine development. And you say that 5th generation is not "so much sophisticated"?? Really?
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BitnikGr 6 days ago
@Talshet ...
F-22 is maybe indeed an overpriced product, even with compromises with equipment installed and more money required per plane for further modernization... and maybe it is not ideal from cost/value ratio, but that's totally different subject. Overperfomance almost never goes together with low cost.
But without any doubts F-22 is the most advanced fighter in service today. And its production line is open. If US decided to build more of them, LM can do it.
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr to be honest, LM needs a huge smack in the face from the congress (long overdue) and actually start improving f-22 before long.
NosferatuAaacaado 6 days ago
@NosferatuAaacaado Why so much rush? Was F-22 ever challenged or had it to participate in any air-superiority task where F-15/16/18 were not enough? Only very recently 4++ fighters became closing the gap with Raptor, thanks to more advanced ESA radars and other detection means, only very recently. So, since LM had very limited order of 187 aircrafts to build, any modernization of them could start after building of all aircrafts were finished.
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BitnikGr 6 days ago
@NosferatuAaacaado ...
And that's exactly what they are doing. Since February 2012 LM starts modernization of entire F-22 fleet which will last 4 years and cost about $40mln per plane.
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr Stealth grasped and planted in Iran by means of the Russian radio-electronic system Avtobaza. Copy this name and place in search:
Captured US drone RQ 170 Iran TV
Vanyaaynav 6 days ago
@Vanyaaynav And? What that has to do with 5th generation manned fighters in comparison with 4th generation?
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr It means that the Stealth is not a stealth
Vanyaaynav 6 days ago
@Vanyaaynav Stealth means Low Observable and it doesn't mean Invisible. If stealth is SO wrong and useless then why Russia/India and China go for their stealth planes? Do they do a huge mistake and will spent huge budgets on air for something useless?
Concept of stealth is actually same with camouflage. Soldiers of the WW I started wearing haki color uniforms instead of bright shiny uniforms of 18-19th century. They became more difficult for optical detection... but not invisible.
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr The Russian engineers are very well informed from what materials is made F-22. These are alloys from invara, very expensive in manufacture. Unfortunately bad and I cannot tell my English in more details. The Russian engineers use other materials for manufacture T-50 which are much cheaper and easier in manufacture. The Russian planes 4 + also are equipped with these new materials.
Vanyaaynav 6 days ago
@Vanyaaynav Invar is not a composite. It is a metal. Russians use more composite. Question remained unanswered. Is "stealth" a crappy useless technology and stealth planes shouldn't be built at all? If yes, then why all major aero-industrial countries plan to build a 5th generation plane. If PAK-FA can be more stealth than another stealth is a different subject and if PAK-FA can become a great plane, then why F-22 isn't the most advanced plane in service today?
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr Invar-it an alloy of metal very expensive in manufacture. Russian engineers use other technologies and other materials, much more cheaply. The American Stealth should visible for Russian a radar. The big role will be taken away not to a stealth, much bigger value will have a radar which will find the first aim. A stealth this secondary. Russian planes of the fifth generation are much cheaper in manufacture and ekspluatatsii.
Vanyaaynav 6 days ago
@BitnikGr F-22 is expensive and unjustified toy with set of unresolved problems.
Vanyaaynav 6 days ago
@Vanyaaynav Its low value/cost ratio doesn't come in contradiction that today F-22 is the only 5th generation fighter in service and is the most advanced one.
Yes, F-22 is over expensive. Yes, maybe 5 SU-35 are better than 1 F-22 at the same cost. I don't argue with that. Still, F-22 is more advanced than SU-35.
Same thing happened when air forces were passing from 3rd to 4th generation. The latest versions of MiG-23 were on par with the first version of F-16... but that was all.
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr The USA have constructed considerable quantity F-22 having enclosed in this project a fantastic sum. At each stage of this project the government of the USA assured all that problems are solved, but became real problems it was required even more money more and that them to solve also. How many it to be necessary money and how many years that there were no problems.....))))))
Vanyaaynav 6 days ago
@Vanyaaynav
Complete truth,Amen!
BoxyTheSpaceDog 6 days ago
@BitnikGr Your logic is clear!!!! If it has the mad price.... If it is not effective.... If it has a considerable quantity of problems, this the best! Money thrown out on a wind it is good...)))))
Vanyaaynav 6 days ago
@Vanyaaynav ... I do speak Russian by the way.
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr The Russian engines of the fourth generation much more surpass the American engines of the fifth generation in many parametres. New Russian engines of the fifth generation have much more possibility and are space technologies. Copy this name and place in search:
Engines - Su-27, F-15, F-22 Raptor, Sukhoi PAK FA
Vanyaaynav 6 days ago
@Vanyaaynav That video doesn't prove anything.
All modern engines for every modern fighter today belong to sphere of space technologies actually.
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr
Most advanced,how?Even Mig-35 has better AESA radar(up to 260 km range with almost 180 degree vision in all directions),F-22 doesn't have OLS,it's 2D thrust vectoring is just laughable(if you ever looked at nozzles movement.Russian fighters use ceramic petals and special alloys to reduce engine heat,weapons are from mid to ultra long 300km+ range,while F-22 can't even carry such missiles.It fell in Alaska without anyone noticing even though it was escorted by other 2 planes.
BoxyTheSpaceDog 6 days ago
@BoxyTheSpaceDog Zhuk-A - 200km (for uknown RCS).
Yes, Raptor's radar was the weak point and that's why it will be upgraded.
No, F-22 hasn't OLS or IRST, but it will get such system again in planned modernization within 4 years.
2D TVC is not laughable... it is an exchange of super-manouverability for low IR signature. Russians tested such nozzles too and prefered super-manouverability over low IR... that doesn't necessary mean that one is better than another... that simply...
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr
It's 260 km,there's video on Russian about it.Go to main Mig-35 video and my comment from 2 days ago is with video name!In 4 years?In 4 years World can change twice over,lol.What super-maneuverability?Can't even do Cobra right,copying Russian maneuvers like Bell from 30 years ago from Mig-29.Nozzles vectoring angle worst than of Su-37 from 90's,as for low IR or RCS I don't buy into it.Just look at the Usaf propaganda video of that same drone that Iran captured,pathetic lies.
BoxyTheSpaceDog 6 days ago
@BoxyTheSpaceDog I prefer to believe data given by NIIR "Fazotron" and they say 200km and even less for Zhuk-AE export version.
In 4 years of full scale production Russian will build about 50 PAK-FA. So, extensive modernization of 180 planes in 4 years is not so bad number.
I don't buy LM's fairytales about "size of marble" RCS of F-22 (but only under ideal conditions in the lab). As I said, subject is not F-22 itself... Do you believe Sukhoi? And Sukhoi says that RCS of...
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BoxyTheSpaceDog ... will be 1/40 of SU-35's RCS.
Regarding reduced IR signature with nozzles like on F-22 there is a great and unique video footage in documentary "СУ-27 Лучший Истребитель" where SU-27 was tested with one normal nozzle and one flattened on the same plane. Thermal image shows significantly reduced IR signature on the right nozzle. So, its supermanouverability vs IR signature. In either case it is a compromise.
Exact moment: /watch?v=yczvqsnEEac
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr It was the old documentary film of Soviet period where this experiment has been shown. It was not effective and the Soviet engineers have chosen other way on reduction of thermal radiation...
Vanyaaynav 6 days ago
@Vanyaaynav HA-HA! How exactly it wasn't effective if Mr. Pogosyan himself says that IR signature of 2D TVC nozzle was reduced by tens of times compared to a regular nozzle?
I agree that today there can be another methods to reduce IR signature, but point before was that 2D TVC doesn't reduce IR signature and it is American propaganda and bullshit. That Soviet experiment clearly shows that it's not anyone's BS and that is a reality.
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr It was effective with smaller radiation of heat, but it was not effective from maneuver and flight qualities. Now thermal treatment decreases by means of other technologies of more effective....
Vanyaaynav 6 days ago
@BitnikGr
I just don't believe in USAF fairy tales,that's all!They claimed F-117A was undetactable yet my fellow Serbs took out 3 out of 10 that were used in Kosovo 99' war.What happened than?Australia and Britain withdrew from orders and have to wait till earliest 2015 for any deliveries of F-35,which is even bigger failure than F-22!Drone that Iran captured is US most advanced UAV(by their video claims)and what happened?F-22 disappeared from radar in Alaska,located in 5 days,c'mon!
BoxyTheSpaceDog 6 days ago
@BoxyTheSpaceDog Where is the evidence that the screwball Serbs shot down three F117's? Sorry, I don't believe in lowbrow central Euro fairy tales. They shot down one because it was in a "dirty" config due to pilot error and therefore detectable. The USAF should have hammered every Serb around the debris to keep it from Russian hands, which undoubtedly helped them in their stealth pursuit.
Iranian capture of a drone? Maybe, maybe not. It was a software issue, not hdwre.
cessna369 6 days ago
@BoxyTheSpaceDog Low frequency radar can see stealth aircraft but has poor resolution, it didn't even hit the f-117 it exploded near it then it put in into a spin that it can't recover from then boom and oh yeah the f-22 that disappeared from radar was stealthy huh lolz. WP report = incorrect the f-35 isn't even ready yet.
ESC8781 5 days ago
@BoxyTheSpaceDog ... means that you can't have them both.
300km range for AAM is for AWACS and Air Refuellers. Stealth fighters can't be detected at such ranges and such heavy missile isn't very manouverable to cope with evading fighter. Not to mention that these missiles will get into service only during this year. They are not yet operational.
Subject is not about specifically the Raptor, but that 5th gen planes are much more sophisticated than 4th gen ones.
BitnikGr 6 days ago
@BitnikGr I dont agree with that point that F-22 is most advanced fighter in service.As the F-22 develope programm was shot down, the F-22 already had lot of disease after that they had only 20$ mio per plane to find solutions for this disease, sorry but if the 3 other times wich was 8,3billion $ to solve the corrision for only 80 planes, than another 80millioin $ and again 60million $ per plane to solve this problemes, wich cant solved through 3 budget added,and it has still problems
Talshet 6 days ago 8
@Talshet You are fooled by seeing only a fraction of what the F-22 Raptor is really capable of. And there are many more suprises in store.
88mroux 5 days ago
@Talshet And Just like the ME-262 from the second World War there are actually some things about the aircraft that make if more advanced than anything in the world. including the T-50! You dont even know half of what i know about the Raptor.
88mroux 5 days ago
@Talshet F-35's much better. It is not useful piece of "technologies"
Sortsylic 17 hours ago
@MrSrgj give me the link to that i wanna read it.
pacloro 6 days ago
@MrSrgj The T50 is a new plane, on what basis could anyone say it is the "best"? It has no record, certainly not a combat record, and not much of a performance or maintenance record. No one really knows what radar and fire control it has except the Russkies close to it, and it has not been up against another Gen 5 fighter, or even Gen 4, in combat. The F-22 first flew in 1997, and it took Sukhoi almost a full generation to ever gets its bird in the air.
cessna369 6 days ago
@MrSrgj How much of that famous Russian industrial espionage of American industry did it take for Russia to build a stealth fighter? Sukhoi is a talented agency, but you know the Russians have always been technology "borrowers." And now even the Russians have to contend with that from the Chinese.
cessna369 6 days ago
@cessna369 Yeah i have to agree Sukhoi is a talented agency with fighters like the t-50 and the Su-35 that can really inspire people. But when it comes to devoloping new technologies, they are Borrowers. And We were actually lucky the Raptors were grounded so that they couldnt participate at MAKS, even if the USAF wanted to have a Raptor or 2 be featured in the airshow. If We did the some Russians might have worked out a way to get acess to the secret features of the Aircraft.
88mroux 5 days ago
@88mroux You already have much written about all secrets F-22 on many Russian sites.....))))) the Government of the USA can accuse you of classified information disclosure as Bradley Menning's Ordinary American army. You can plant on an electric chair or on lifelong stay in prison. Be careful....))))))
Vanyaaynav 4 days ago
@Vanyaaynav I did not share all secrets about the F-22 Rpator on many Russian websites. I've only been trying to make clear that the Raptor is not useless! If shared any secrets that the Rpator has up it's sleeve, I would be letting my country's guard down. I wouldn't dare do something that stupid! I'm loyal to my country, and I wouldn't even take Kindly to anybody that would even want to slaughter our own US Troops and Millitary pilots!
88mroux 4 days ago
@88mroux You justify also it means that you are guilty.... You not meaningly spread the classified information on the Russian sites as you simply do not realise that you have made a crime. You awake are punished.... Be in your house and for you agents CIA will come.
Vanyaaynav 4 days ago
@Vanyaaynav I did not share not share any secrets or classified information about the Raptor! And even the F-22 pilots in the videos dont even tell you the secrets of the Raptor! And i'm well aware of crimes! And you have no idea of how the US goverment runs the systems. "You awake are punished... Be in your house and for you agents CIA will come." Thats for Communist countries! And The USA is not a Communist Country! Your trying to frame me! How do you expect me to belive you!
88mroux 4 days ago
@88mroux I think that the USA becomes similar as the USSR. Confidential prisons worldwide where people torture are created, force and kill. You have already enough written and have told. Many other your comments on other Russian sites have been removed.... I assume that it was made by you....))))) your fault is proved, expects you an electric chair or a life imprisonment in prison....)))))
Vanyaaynav 3 days ago
@Vanyaaynav No offense but your sounding like a 7 year old boy. Thats Not how i only act but also many Americans in the Republican Party.
88mroux 3 days ago
@88mroux Your house-Guantanamo......)))))
Vanyaaynav 2 days ago
@88mroux Dude, it's hard to argue with a bunch of crazy Russians and eastern Europeans. Logic is not part of their psychology, and their inferiority complex is on full display, 24 hours per day. There is nothing said in these comments anywhere that is not public knowledge and Russian imagination. None of the people extolling the virtues of the Russkie fighters demonstrate a great knowledge, I doubt any of them are engineers and pilots. I've flown Sukhoi aerobatic craft and Yaks.
cessna369 4 days ago
@cessna369 Imagine how hard can be to fight whit them ;);););););)
runxxeroxx 3 days ago
@Vanyaaynav Where are these "secrets" you reference? They certainly are not in the comments section for this video. Everything stated here is either public domain info or hyperbole by delusional Russians and eastern Europeans.
cessna369 4 days ago
@cessna369 That that you visit Russian sites and try to prove that or is your inferiority complex which you leave in your comments. Russian neither to whom nor that do not prove.... Russian do....)))))
Vanyaaynav 4 days ago
@Vanyaaynav What are you saying? I am visting an American site, youtube, founded in America by Americans. I cannot really comment on the rest of your Russian gibberish. You really should cut back on the vodka before you post on the internet.
cessna369 3 days ago
@cessna369 If you are on drugs, you lose a reality and cannot understand something.......
Vanyaaynav 2 days ago
@cessna369 Dont sweat arguing with him. He's a hater to the USA.
88mroux 3 days ago
@88mroux IMO, Sukhoi and Kamov are the most creative. But even they have always been highly dependent on the govt and have been starved by being in Russia. But for the restrictions on Germany and their national psychosis that persists from WWII, they would be kicking the Russkies' asses in aircraft design and construction. Germ is an engineering nation and has much more freedom that Russia. It could become an aviation powerhouse again, but not if weighed down by Euro consortium.
cessna369 4 days ago
Have to say it does not look terribly stealthy... Can't see any radiation absorbing coating and the engine exhausts are MASSIVE - no attempt to mask or disperse IR at all. Looks like a simple upgrade to the SU35....
krackersdave 3 weeks ago
@krackersdave Very funny...))) I like comments of clowns such as you...)))
P.S You the ridiculous, cowardly clown at which is closed the channel...)))
Vanyaaynav 3 weeks ago
@Vanyaaynav Ahh right - thats how you handle a discussion - ridicule and attempt to silence arguments you don't like through intimidation and threats... how very soviet union..
No argument then to discount my points eh?
I take that to mean they are correct then...
krackersdave 3 weeks ago
@krackersdave I do not frighten you, how the Soviet union.))))) At you the closed channel and you the coward...
Vanyaaynav 3 weeks ago
@krackersdave hmmmm, I don't think its an Su-35 upgrade,there are lot of changes in the airframe as compared to the Su-35, yes though it is not as stealthy, but it is still in it's pre-flight stage, and will be introduced maybe in the end of 2015-2016, so we can still hope for more, like geting rid of that ridiculous framed canopy or using RAM for the engines, saw tooth nozzles, more composite usage,etc but i can say that it is more maneuverable than the F-22(LEVCON design)
29BILLYJ 2 weeks ago
hermoso amazing nice thanks
davidlucasfer 4 weeks ago
hmmm lot of these American folks(from theircomments) seems to be subversed , CIA is finally catching upon subversion-disinformation tactics
mrvishal1000 4 weeks ago
@88mroux I think we should wait for production version with revealed performance details to judge who is best. Fo sure, kids will judge by computer games and YT top10 ratings, made by other kids...
Krishna0666 1 month ago
@Krishna0666 Yeah exept that the F-22 Raptor has many things about it that are top secret like the stealth technology and the super the ways those things work you know we cannot show that at an airshow . You might have heard that nobody is allowed to buy the F-22 Raptor. US Self defense Congress banded this aircraft from ever being exported.
88mroux 1 month ago
@88mroux hahahahaha and even flying or seeing any military action GREAT PLANE MATE !!!!!
valmalakhov 3 weeks ago
MUERTE A TODOS LOS GRINGOS INDESEABLE, ATENTAMENTE, MEXICO
soytucastigodivino 1 month ago
To be honest the manuvers i'm seeing this aircraft doing are actually no greater than the F-22 Rapier aka the Raptor, but also not identical.
88mroux 1 month ago
@88mroux I AGREE THE F22 WOULD GLIDE CIRCLES AROUND DAT SHIT, I LOVE THE LOOKS THOUGH............
TNGBigTy187 1 month ago
@TNGBigTy187 yeah though it looks like it wears the same origonal paint sceme seen on the Su-27s like it is already replacing the Su-27.
88mroux 1 month ago
@88mroux Don't forget that is just one of two flying prototypes. Why do you wait that it will do cutting edge maneuvers on a first public flight?
Krishna0666 1 month ago
@Krishna0666 Perhaps the Russians are trying to hide 3d thust vectoring manuvers that really are not anylonger mistyrious after all we saw the 3d thrust vectoring manuvers performed by the Su-35. They they would be no better than the Su-35 and The more sopisticated F-22 Raptors Are going though some upgrades. interms of stealth and supercruise when it comes to a Raptor we are not cannot show that at airshows cuz the way it all works is Classified.
88mroux 1 month ago
@88mroux T-50 is still in developing stage, performing tests and I think that nobody still really knows its real agility limits. Nobody will push the limits of the prototype pilotage to crash it and to waste some months of the whole project progress because of that. And fo sure that will never be done during the first presentation at the public airshow !
Krishna0666 1 month ago
@88mroux 'The more sopisticated F-22 Raptors Are going though some upgrades.'
'mistyrious'
But seriously, how old are you?
NosferatuAaacaado 1 month ago
@NosferatuAaacaado uh Dude your'e not making any sense.
88mroux 1 month ago
@NosferatuAaacaado Excuse me o think the question is what Country are you from? You dont know Anything about the F-22.
88mroux 4 weeks ago
@88mroux i don t know if u know but hmmmm f22 is gone they canceled the whole project and that plane would not see any military action ever. Its the biggest military waste of money in human history. its so bad and fragile that for every 30 minutes in flight its 36 hours of maintance. F35 is inferior to current su 35 read australian airforce anylist about that
valmalakhov 3 weeks ago
@valmalakhov Dude, what you are saying is totally False. The Raptor is back in Military Sevice it just had to go through some upgrades durring last summer. And the despite the T-50 being cheaper, it's stealth capability is actually poor at best. Putin's never got his hands on a Raptor to see the real difference. And no, the only thing the Su-35 has over the F-35 is manuverability. The F-35 relies totally on stealth.
88mroux 3 weeks ago
@88mroux If you want to expose yourselves on laughter... I will help you to make it. Copy these names and place in search:
Why F-22 Raptor production was canceled ? - World News
The Truth About the Useless F-35 & F-22
Petr Ufimtsev the Creator & Father of Stealth Technology - Russian Stealth
Vanyaaynav 3 weeks ago
@Vanyaaynav Petr Ufimtsev was not the Father of Stealth Technology Sir Ben Rich was. How Do you expect me to believe you!?
88mroux 3 weeks ago
@88mroux If you want to deceive yourselves and to look silly, you can do it...))) the USA Jak-141 the bought two planes Su-27 (the Soviet assemblage) from Ukraine and many other things buys old Soviet technologies for example. Your of stealth technology are not confidential...)))
Vanyaaynav 3 weeks ago
@Vanyaaynav I'm not falling for your brainwash capabilities. Let me ask you this, what do you know about the Raptor?! You tell me what you know about Raptor!
88mroux 3 weeks ago
@88mroux I do not try to prove to you that Т-50 better because I know that Т-50 the best! I do not confirm that that F-22 shit, because F-22...))) I present you with a fait accompli! Copy these names and place in search:
Why F-22 Raptor production was canceled ? - World News
The Truth About the Useless F-35 & F-22
Petr Ufimtsev the Creator & Father of Stealth Technology - Russian Stealth
Engines - Su-27, F-15, F-22 Raptor, Sukhoi PAK FA
Vanyaaynav 3 weeks ago 6
@Vanyaaynav I see you like dreaming
Boberrosini 1 week ago
@Boberrosini To you who does not forbid.... You can sleep easily....))))))
Vanyaaynav 1 week ago
@valmalakhov Not only by quality factor but also amount factor Russia is 20 years behind USA. You can excite one new plane and you are happy to get 5 of them, while USA has 200 better of them.
Same applies to the Su34, Su-35 which you have only few of them. Most of Su-27 is from 1980-1990. Overall big nothing :) In conventional war you can fight only against Turkey, nothing more.
Brutal truth, even in 2011 major of Ru army fed soldiers by dog food.
Boberrosini 1 week ago
why would america invest almost 400 billion dollars into f 35 which is inferier to su 35 and russia is getting this now ! go russia this thing is gonna blow any out of the sky !
valmalakhov 1 month ago
@valmalakhov and plus the developmsent of other countries such as china and india make them obsolete in in what a fighter jet can do a russian fighter jet such at su 30 will kill any american, indian and chinese planes on peper works right now i believe that india released a fighter jet couple of years ago that cant even match a russian plane build 30 years ago
valmalakhov 1 month ago
Он просто ОХУЕНЕН! Как и видео!!!
Dimonwasborninussr 1 month ago 2
Its a very nice Airplane itsthe cream of the fighteraircrafts. O men i realy hate my swiss Goverment and the Stupid defence Minister that they not buy the Sukhoi T-50 as new jet :-(
It would bee a big boost for our air force and aviatic industrie (Licence building)
swisstestpilot 2 months ago 2
awesome jet!! ....regards from India
PrometheusHR 2 months ago
I love this jet
JosephGhetti 2 months ago
Great video! My best regards from Serbia.
mlevolutionx 2 months ago
*****!!!
princegabor 3 months ago
Great capture 5 star's.
SaberTanker22 3 months ago
EXELENT QUALITY !!!!!
THE BEST VIDEO ABOUT
PAK FA T-50ªªªªªªªªªª
HULISEES27 3 months ago 18
@HULISEES27
in this video we see non 5 generation engine...5 generation wil be provide in august 2012...
7777chugun 1 week ago
@HULISEES27
sry for my english(
7777chugun 1 week ago
It looked like a hybrid of F-22 and F-18
ICEGTN 3 months ago
real smooth
sanket13x 3 months ago
браво, Константин!
andrewoncola 3 months ago
Stunning video and aircraft.
I would love to see this bad boy in Canada's arsenal instead of the overpriced and inferior F35. Great video as usual! Thanks for posting.
Vikingdescendent 3 months ago 38
@Vikingdescendent Me to. I would also love for America to bring all their companies home AND build that same fence we're talking about between MEXICO and the lower states.
Then. When our Air force and Navy need to kick a bitch around. we can always call on the wimps up North, huh. A gang of weak back fucks that still makes bitch-ass dresses for the queen and her daughter (son) Princess Charles.
bodacious2109 1 month ago
@Vikingdescendent We know almost nothing about this jet yet...and your already talking shit about the f -35. What issuies the t-50 has, what it's weak points are, what will need to be fixed, etc. I wish that you did get this jet...you don't deserve the f-35.
nimaside 1 month ago
@Vikingdescendent Dude you dont know anything about the F-35. Even the F-22 Raptor is more feared than the T-50. And the US millitary doesnt even fear the T-50 do to how more durrable and stealthier The Raptor is.
88mroux 1 month ago
@88mroux after seeing you post this:
'we might have a number of traitors behind all this Supporting Communism and Socialism'
It is clear that you are a retard here. Get out.
NosferatuAaacaado 1 month ago
@NosferatuAaacaado What comment? I think you are reffering to a comment i posted on "Putin T-50 PAK FA is Better than the F-22" when i was sharing my views with DeMoNMiNdLS
88mroux 1 month ago
@Vikingdescendent Its nice but now the US isnt the only country with stealth. Now Russia does.
masterawesome100 2 weeks ago