Oh man, this was more serious when the attack ads were on, but now that I watch it again, it's hilarious. It really makes those attack ads seem ridiculous.
Umm, yeah, Ignatieff isn't in the same league as Gandhi. thanks for clearing that up for us Domtar. The point isnt that iggy is gandhi. Its that the attack ads are brain dead. Peter Worthington, Andrew Coyne and Rex Murphy, that troika of Trotsyites agree
Gandhi returned to India in 1915. He didn't enter politics at all till 1928. Moreover, when he lived in South Africa he fought for the rights of Indians living in South Africa. Ignatieff has not done the same (and not had to do the same, since Canadians are not oppressed there) in the UK or US.
Precision is not in the nature of comparison. The search for conceptual parallels is a conceptual exercise. Furthermore, for the sake of precision, Gandhi surely entered politics in India long before 1928. He was the president of the Home Rule League in 1920. But this is not the important thing. The important thing is that the Conservative ads are absurd, offensive, and bigoted. And if we can use a little humor and levity to demonstrate this, all the better.
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It isn't bigoted to want a leader that cares about your country for reasons other than personal glory. If Iggy screws up here he can just go back to Harvard. Harper can't do that without leaving the only home he has ever known.
Were the many Liberals who thought this was a big deal in 2006 being absurd? Bigoted? Offensive?
As to the comparison - clearly Gandhi cared about India and the plight of Indians in South Africa - what did Ignatieff do for Canadians while abroad?
It is indeed bigoted because it implies that anyone who has lived outside the country or in fact not lived here all their lives is not qualified to be Prime Minister. The implication is very clear. And according to the Conservative the "Indians" in South Africa were NOT Indians because they had left India. But you were completely wrong about Gandhi's political work in India before 1928 so it is not clear you really know about Gandhi's history.
By the way bigotry is evident in your very posting. You say Ignatieff "can just go back...." This what racists say about immigrants: "they can just go back to their own country" they say. But Ignatieff is a Canadian citizen with all the rights and privileges therein. I am not a Liberal nor an Ignatieff supporter, but the implications of this ad campaign are profoundly dangerous.
Uh I am not saying that immigrants (I think immigration is a good thing) shouldn't be able to be Prime Minister. Heck, I am a Canadian living abroad. I do think you should live in Canada for some amount of time though.
I don't think "immigrants should go back to their own country". I think one of the best tools for accountability we have is the fact that crappy PM's become pariahs, derided from all quarters (eg. Mulroney).
Ignatieff doesn't have deep roots in this country, and could avoid...
...that same fate. His kids grew up elsewhere, as did his wife. He has many friends abroad (and probably would lose few by moving back to Harvard). Iggy has less to lose by being a crappy PM than say Stephen Harper.
Kirby, you are putting words in my mouth. Indians living in South Africa for a few years are still Indians. When they refer to South Africa as their country, and say they only really care about the Taj Mahal anyway they are not really Indians.
rights of Indians living in South Africa (as Gandhi did) you have an entirely different kettle of fish.
You need a parallel of a leader who lived abroad for at least 30 years, who did nothing for his home country in those 30 years, and who started running for PM two years after returning to his birth country.
George I is probably the best example I can think of.
As I said from the beginning, such comparisons are not meant to demonstrate exact parallels. And the roots of these ads are steeped in ugliness, bigotry, pettiness, and do not constitute real political discourse. Diane Ablonzcy was born in the US and lived out of the country for years. I used to live in her riding but would never had made an issue of her geographical history. I still contend that the "he can go back" comment demonstrates a bigoted root in all of this.
FYI, I watched it on YouTube, with Firefox as the browser on a MacBook Pro. It's more of a line hum than a buzz, not to get tech nerdy about it. I mean I got the content, which is the important part, but really there's a line hum, a sixty cycle kind of thing, like when you have power tools going on the same power bar...We don't need to discuss it further though. And thanks for replying. Have a good day!
Oh and to the tard who thinks liberals are comparing Ghandi to Ignatieff... Uhhh, no. They are comparing the sheer stupidity of the con ads to how stupid this notion is.
Its called a FAIL on the cons part. Perhaps EPIC FAIL? I'd say yes.
I am not a liberal, nor am I stupid, nor am I comparing Ignatieff to Gandhi in any way but in their clear commitment to their respective countries. All this comparison does is show the tastelessness of the Conservative's ads and their sheer absurdity. Like Gandhi, Ignatieff is a man with deep familial roots in his country and this comparison demonstrates the ridiculousness of suggesting anything else.
But kudos on your deep and penetrating analysis astuffasnails!
Oh man, this was more serious when the attack ads were on, but now that I watch it again, it's hilarious. It really makes those attack ads seem ridiculous.
powerfulSubtlety 1 year ago
hey domtar!
i like your impressions!
meloveicecream24 2 years ago
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Canadian2009able 2 years ago
Umm, yeah, Ignatieff isn't in the same league as Gandhi. thanks for clearing that up for us Domtar. The point isnt that iggy is gandhi. Its that the attack ads are brain dead. Peter Worthington, Andrew Coyne and Rex Murphy, that troika of Trotsyites agree
gooeygeespot 2 years ago
Awesome, A+
universalradio 2 years ago 3
Gandhi returned to India in 1915. He didn't enter politics at all till 1928. Moreover, when he lived in South Africa he fought for the rights of Indians living in South Africa. Ignatieff has not done the same (and not had to do the same, since Canadians are not oppressed there) in the UK or US.
This comparison is, frankly, a stretch.
domtar76 2 years ago
Precision is not in the nature of comparison. The search for conceptual parallels is a conceptual exercise. Furthermore, for the sake of precision, Gandhi surely entered politics in India long before 1928. He was the president of the Home Rule League in 1920. But this is not the important thing. The important thing is that the Conservative ads are absurd, offensive, and bigoted. And if we can use a little humor and levity to demonstrate this, all the better.
kirbycairo 2 years ago
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It isn't bigoted to want a leader that cares about your country for reasons other than personal glory. If Iggy screws up here he can just go back to Harvard. Harper can't do that without leaving the only home he has ever known.
Were the many Liberals who thought this was a big deal in 2006 being absurd? Bigoted? Offensive?
As to the comparison - clearly Gandhi cared about India and the plight of Indians in South Africa - what did Ignatieff do for Canadians while abroad?
domtar76 2 years ago
It is indeed bigoted because it implies that anyone who has lived outside the country or in fact not lived here all their lives is not qualified to be Prime Minister. The implication is very clear. And according to the Conservative the "Indians" in South Africa were NOT Indians because they had left India. But you were completely wrong about Gandhi's political work in India before 1928 so it is not clear you really know about Gandhi's history.
kirbycairo 2 years ago
By the way bigotry is evident in your very posting. You say Ignatieff "can just go back...." This what racists say about immigrants: "they can just go back to their own country" they say. But Ignatieff is a Canadian citizen with all the rights and privileges therein. I am not a Liberal nor an Ignatieff supporter, but the implications of this ad campaign are profoundly dangerous.
kirbycairo 2 years ago
Uh I am not saying that immigrants (I think immigration is a good thing) shouldn't be able to be Prime Minister. Heck, I am a Canadian living abroad. I do think you should live in Canada for some amount of time though.
I don't think "immigrants should go back to their own country". I think one of the best tools for accountability we have is the fact that crappy PM's become pariahs, derided from all quarters (eg. Mulroney).
Ignatieff doesn't have deep roots in this country, and could avoid...
domtar76 2 years ago
...that same fate. His kids grew up elsewhere, as did his wife. He has many friends abroad (and probably would lose few by moving back to Harvard). Iggy has less to lose by being a crappy PM than say Stephen Harper.
Kirby, you are putting words in my mouth. Indians living in South Africa for a few years are still Indians. When they refer to South Africa as their country, and say they only really care about the Taj Mahal anyway they are not really Indians.
When they fight for the civil...
domtar76 2 years ago
rights of Indians living in South Africa (as Gandhi did) you have an entirely different kettle of fish.
You need a parallel of a leader who lived abroad for at least 30 years, who did nothing for his home country in those 30 years, and who started running for PM two years after returning to his birth country.
George I is probably the best example I can think of.
domtar76 2 years ago
As I said from the beginning, such comparisons are not meant to demonstrate exact parallels. And the roots of these ads are steeped in ugliness, bigotry, pettiness, and do not constitute real political discourse. Diane Ablonzcy was born in the US and lived out of the country for years. I used to live in her riding but would never had made an issue of her geographical history. I still contend that the "he can go back" comment demonstrates a bigoted root in all of this.
kirbycairo 2 years ago
Ah shut up
universalradio 2 years ago
That's awesome dude!
IndiaVirago 2 years ago 2
Good narrative, but it could be shorter and faster with music, to better evoke the Conservative ad.
powerfulSubtlety 2 years ago 2
Yea, I did it in less than an hour and I don't have any good movie making software. Thanks for watching.
kirbycairo 2 years ago
restripe the audio dude, the buzz is killing my buzz.
ColonelPablo 2 years ago
I hear no buzz and no one else has said they hear a buzz. Vista sound recorder has some problems, maybe it is only audible on some interfaces.
kirbycairo 2 years ago
FYI, I watched it on YouTube, with Firefox as the browser on a MacBook Pro. It's more of a line hum than a buzz, not to get tech nerdy about it. I mean I got the content, which is the important part, but really there's a line hum, a sixty cycle kind of thing, like when you have power tools going on the same power bar...We don't need to discuss it further though. And thanks for replying. Have a good day!
ColonelPablo 2 years ago
Yeah, I hear a buzz/humm too. I'm on a PC
findpolitics 2 years ago 2
(hilarious by the way ... really enjoyed it ... especially the salt line)
findpolitics 2 years ago 2
Weird, a few people report the buzz and most say no buzz. I have tried it on about six computers and haven't heard it yet.
Thanks for watching though.
kirbycairo 2 years ago
That was awesome on so many damn levels.
Oh and to the tard who thinks liberals are comparing Ghandi to Ignatieff... Uhhh, no. They are comparing the sheer stupidity of the con ads to how stupid this notion is.
Its called a FAIL on the cons part. Perhaps EPIC FAIL? I'd say yes.
SireJoe 2 years ago
stupid liberals, how dare the compare ignatieff to ghandi..
astuffasnails 2 years ago
I am not a liberal, nor am I stupid, nor am I comparing Ignatieff to Gandhi in any way but in their clear commitment to their respective countries. All this comparison does is show the tastelessness of the Conservative's ads and their sheer absurdity. Like Gandhi, Ignatieff is a man with deep familial roots in his country and this comparison demonstrates the ridiculousness of suggesting anything else.
But kudos on your deep and penetrating analysis astuffasnails!
kirbycairo 2 years ago
lmao
vishliberal 2 years ago
LOL !!
solarcradle 2 years ago