I'm 17 years old, Gay and happy. when i am older i want to adopt a child with conditions that need extra care... you know.. the ones that are left in foster homes by the heterosexual couple.
Is it more selfish to provide kids a home because you want to be a parent or to keep kids from having a place to live because you don't like their parents? You say kids need a mother and a father. Do you even know how many kids are raised in a single parent household? My parents got divorced because my dad abused us. I was raised by a single mother. I didn't have a father. Isn't that the same thing? I would imagine two moms are better than one...
The sexual orientation of the parents is not something that is passed down to the kids. It's incredibly ignorant to think that kids raised by gay parents are more likely to be gay. (By the way, you don't become gay, you are born that way.)
Layhayla, whether or not kids grow up to be gay is something only God can decide, for He is the one who creates some of His children to be homosexual, as part of His divine plan for them. As a "person" who hopefully cares about the welfare of any child in need, perhaps you could fight against your Satan-inspired prejudice and learn to love your fellow man, as Jesus would. Your attitude sickens the Lord.
I've been saying for years that gays should create their own religion and perhaps call it Gaytianity, and they can refer to themselves as Gaytians.
As for gays adopting children, a child should be raised by a mother and a father. A child needs that natural and healthy mental and emotional balance. How can two women or two men think for a child and know what's best for the child in those aspects? It's selfish. They want children for selfish reasons. They want to be able to do it to feel normal.
@MrChristmas365 " They want to be able to do it to feel normal." and you dont want that because you want to deny them that to make them feel less "normal" just because they are diffrent than you.
and its not like gay/lesbians are stealing children from loving straight parents. its not a choice between two straight parents and two homosexual parents it is a choice between two homosexual parents and no parents.
@MrChristmas365 I agree apart from your idea of a gay religion. It think that's just silly, but I believe that child raising is something which you opt out of by choosing same sex relations. I wouldn't try to stop gay relationships but I think it's unfair to exploit children's circumstance to justify one's personal regrets in choosing to opt out of the natural family unit.
Thank God for the "Yankee" transplant because it is the only thing that keeps this bible thumping backwards state from total collapse. When I heard the ruling today I knew it was a progressive judge not some TYPICAL FloriDUH bible thumping redneck thinking judge.
if my child puts his finger in the light socket and he gets shocked i tell him not to do it if he dos it again he gets in trouble you see ignorance is bliss but knowledge to sin is punished i haven't read the bible so i don't know what my father considers bad but if you read the bible you must know only god can judge as you have knowledge god will punish i don't judge so as for that i will not get punished
@OFFICIALDAVIDGUEVARA I find that such a load. It's human nature to judge. It's such a load of crap when people say "I don't judge" when they do it every fucking day.
this country has separation from religion so don't put god in this cause god didn't wrought the constitutions god didn't make the US Government no one is a true christian now a days most people smoke curse and exhibit aggressive behaviors which is not of a true christian if your a true christian you would not say fag or talk bad about another brother only god himself can judge another brother so if you want to judge you are not christian and your going above god
cuban4ever19,,,,every priest whoever molested a child is shoved down our throat by the controlled jewish media,,,,but in reality rabbis by similar numbers are just as guilty and covicted of same crimes as priests ,,,but guess who controls your media nearly one hundred per cent,,,,jews not catholics,,,so the continual message is fed to the people,,,jewish media never mentions incident s of jewish pedophilia,,,untouchable subject
Thanks to the efforts of morally corrupt people like Howard Simon, fags can now legally recruit little children and corrupt their innocent young minds with their perverse gay agenda. Homosexuality destroys societies and it is also destroying America. You people having babies out there get your shit together so your children wont be forced to live in these morally corrupt environments. A fag’s love is not the same as Gods love.
@MrBongo43 I was born and raise with a mother a father.No one in my family is gay, but me.So how can you explain this? I was born between heterosexuals with love,attention,care,support.It doesnt matter if its a heterosexual or homosexual couple.Love is love no matter what.And since you like to speak so nasty about gays have you not seen how many ''normal'' mothers have gotten there new born and thrown then away in trash cans and how many fathers abuse there kids.
@Cubana4ever19 Yes it matters greatly whether it is a heterosexual or homosexual couple that is if you believe in God Almighty. If you don’t than I guess anything goes. There are some fags that think their Christians but they are not true Christians. Beleiving in Christ and following his teachings are two different things. I bet your parents weep every time they think of the choice you made concerning your sexual preference. Repent before the Lord your God and turn away from this deadly sin.
@MrBongo43 Fuck religion you piece of shit.If youre happy the way you are why not let other be happy?you discrimate us so much becuase you dont know what it is or how it feels to be gay and be discriminated and get pointed fingers at from dickheads like you.Please kill yourself, you MISERABLE fuck.Thanks
@Cubana4ever19 What does discriminate mean to you? Have I denied you employment, or kicked your ass for being gay? I am not discriminating at all and you are correct in stating that I don’t know what it is like to be gay. It must be hell on your body as well as your soul. Can you even walk without shitting in your pants? I am just showing your blind ass the error of your ways but deep down in your soul, you know that having sex with another man is evil.
the following of gods will as a true christian u must judge none but with love and humility show others the love and the wisdom of your god by putting some one down you are telling others your god is a black and white god or your good or bad and our god is not as such our god is forgiving loving and most of all his our father and you are our brother so learn you position brother or our father will put you in your place
@MrBongo43 discriminatory - prejudiced: being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand; if you think "It must be hell on your body as well as your soul. Can you even walk without shitting in your pants?" what do you know about our soul let me remind you gay in English terms mean's happy the gay flag is a rainbow. you are no one to show anyone their blind ways only god can show anyone that by his words only found in the bible your soul duty as a christian is to encourage
@MrBongo43 No, it feels good (Emotionally and physically), shows trust, and that ass holes like you are completely wrong. It's not being gay that hurts us, it's the backwards treatment we get from douche bags like you. Fuck off.
@MrBongo43 and not even that,since you put ''A fag's love is not the same as Gods love.'' First of all shut the fuck up, HOW MANY FUCKING PRIEST WE SEE EVERY OTHER WEEK ON THE NEWS FUCKING RAPING AND MOLESTING PEOPLE? so get the fuck outta here with your god and all this religion cheap garbage.Im pretty sure just by the way you express youself about homosexuals,you should be a pretty miserable person.Just check yourself before juding someone next time dumb bitch. GAY ADOPTION ALL THE WAYYY!!! :)
@Cubana4ever19 Listen up faggot. The screwed up priest you are referring to are not true men of God. True followers of Jesus Christ would never partake in such an unholy act of mockery. They are nothing more than wolves in sheeps clothing deceiving the masses. By the way, I am quit a happy person. I must say I would be happier if there were not so many anal copulating fagots running around pushing their confused state of mind on society and especially the children. To hell with gay adoption.
FUCK YOUR MORON GOD. HE DOES NOT FUCKING EXIST. HE IS MAKE BELIEVE. YOU ARE A STUPID FUCKING RETARD BIGOT WHO NEED TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE GENE POOL. Kill yourself, U stupid fucking redneck.
I am not gay, U stupid cunt. I guess it is too much for your simpleton mind to accept that heterosexuals can be totally supportive of gay rights. You need to be eradicated. FUCK OFF, RETARDED BIGOT. go pray to dead rotting JEEEEEESUS.
tbh there are so many children needing loving homes i'm straight but if i was a child in a care home i wouldn't care who adopted me aslong as it was a stable home that could care for me and give the attention i needed.. i think people just need to realise kids needs homes and you should be thankfull that adults are willing to look after kids that arn't thier own. just my 2 cent
So, Larry King is getting his 8th divorce, Elizabeth Taylor is possibly getting married for a 9th time, Jesse James and Tiger Woods are screwing EVERYTHING, yet the idea of same-sex marriage is what is going to destroy the institution of marriage?? REALLY??...
as well he should . Gay people cannot make their own babies , so they have to recruit. their lifestyle is against nature. If two sperm cannot fertilize one another , neither can two eggs, then why would God put the people that dontated them together?
ok so a homosexual shouldnt be allowed to adopt. and they will stay in that nice "normal" enviorment in the orphanage, or as i like to call it "the children pound", where their "real" parents have abandoned them.
now doesnt that seem better than letting a homosexual adopt that child, so it isnt subjected to the love of homosexual parents?
@AceofDimonds0 a child being abandoned by their parents , or their parents dying with noother relatives is sad. But that is better then being raised around to homosexuals. You guys cant reproduce, so you recruit. What that does is it builds sympathy and tolerance for your perverted lifestyle. The child accepts it as normal because thats allthey know and they are greatful to have a home.
@tbursee a couple decides to adopt a child; giving it love, a warm bed and a cozy home, love, three square meals a day, love, a good education, love, a chance to make friends with local children, love, a good education, love, and all the toys the kid could want.
but oh no!! the couple is a homosexual couple, therefore they couldnt possibly be good parents and that somehow the child will grow-up "wrong". dont force the child to grow up in that kind of place.
@tbursee Do you honestly think homosexuals have sex all the time?
We don't "recruit". You can't influence someone's sexual preference through raising them. They will be accepting of their parents, but they will quickly realize that it isn't normal. And do you really think that 2 gay parents is worse than no parents at all? Please get some brains.
What I love how is with every video that even mentions anything about the word gay, there's a sudden comment war about whether homosexuality is moral/exists/is disgusting/is a myth made up by the liberal agenda. It's sort of hilarious.
You guys. Gay exists. There's a lot of nasty stuff in this world, and you're ranting about /gays/? C'mon.
Hallelujah! Got must be enjoying these news because God is love and this is when Love wins. I like this video but i even more like the discussion below. You rock rainbowheartgirl! I think you bigot "church people" will go to hell for your hatred. You guys don't have a clue....
Ha ha ha haaaa! You made me laugh out loudly! I'm straight. But seriously, it doesn't matter at all. Your comment just shows how narrow minded you are. I don't have to be gay or lesbian to support gay and lesbian rights. They have the same ones just like any other person. There is no difference. If there is any difference, then it's between people who support these rights and those who try to deny them. Apparently me and you are sorted....
if you think that two straight parents can give a child what homosexual parents can...do you know how many of the children in the child welfare system have been abused by straight parents..about 99.9%. I know, I work with them everyday. Being straight does not make you a good parent.
99.9%? huh. I know for a fact that the state has a way of taking children away from parents who have a pot habit, or at least don't believe in giving it up just because it's illegal like sodomy is in many states. but then again, whoever said that just because something's illegal that the court never looked the other way when it served it's own political correctness? I've seen the light of day when it comes to kids being taken, why is it that almost of the parents WANT THEIR KIDS BACK? CPS sucks
Fags adopting children is nothing but legalized child abuse. Jesus warned this would happen; that there would be a global rise in homosexuality just before His return:
"Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot, people were eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, building; but on the day Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all." (Luke 17:28-29)
Mary, what awful language you use. Do you think Jesus would approve of you calling people names? I feel sorry that you have these beliefs, even though I can't change your mind. I will say, however, that I was raised by two gay dads, and my brothers and I were not abused. We had a very happy childhood, thank you very much. Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge others. I thought that was supposed to be God's job anyway.
jesus talked about homosexuals adopting? no. he did not. did you ever meet him? did he write anything himself? no he didnt. theres not even any proof he existed.
Here is the bottom line, kids need homes. My parents were both str8 and Im gay. You can't persuade somebody to change their sexual orientation. PLUS, act stupid and say that gay parents do raise gay children. Guess what, the population goes down, if you know anything about calculus the 2nd derivative of the population is very positive, we need to address this issue and fast.
so a single gay man can adopt ....but couples cannot...doesnt make sense. Somewhere down the line that single gay man is going to have a relationship and wouldnt that be considered a couple? hmmm...puzzling
Rah, that's a very ignorant thing to say. Gay men are no more likely to abuse children than straight men! And you can't teach a child (your own, or anyone else's) to be gay. People are either gay or they aren't. My brothers and I were raised by two gay dads, and we're both straight (not that it should matter) and my parents loved and supported us and didn't care anything about our sexual orientation. They just wanted us to be happy.
Thing, how? How in the world can you teach someone to be gay or straight? That doesn't even make sense. Your sexual feelings come from *inside* you. It's in your brain. Reading a book about gay people or spending time with gay people doesn't change a child's brain. If he or she was born with a brain that's "wired" for the opposite sex, then that's true no matter what. Same for gay kids too of course. Why else would there be gay people who grew up in straight homes with all-straight role models?
No, your sexual feelings can definately be influenced. Just like nowadays skinny girls are seen as the ideal beauty, most guys will believe this and choose skinny girls over fat girls. If in a home, homosexuality is shown as the ideal, eventually you're going to believe this (its subliminal, & subliminal messages can influence your actions hence making you more attracted to the same sex)
Why would I take a course in human sexuality, so someone can teach me nonsense?
If being gay becomes glamourized, I'm sure that many people will choose that path regardless of feelings of attraction, which I believe some people are doing right now (they're not born gay, but use that as an excuse)
Thing, well, like I said, I think you are woefully misinformed. I grew up in a gay household with gay parents and plenty of gay role models. Yet, my brothers and I are all straight. Your sexual orientation is simply the way you are "wired." Your family has nothing to do with it. You're either attracted to the same sex or you're not. No one can change the way your brain works.
so you are saying that if gay became glamorous then YOU would suddenly turn gay too?...wow..good to know. welcome out of your closet.
seems to me that since STRAIGHT has been glamorized for thousands of years then all people would be straight right?...ooops guess your little theory has a hole in it...LIKE your ass..which I am sure you will be using very soon since GAY IS ALREADY GLAMOROUS...
kind of ironic that you thing GOD hates gay marriage since he made gays the best wedding planners..LOL
I dont know what world you live in but not only can gay people have babies rendering straight people non essential...sex does not even have to be involved at all..ever hear of test tube babies?..LOL..wow..and a gay man can get a gay woman pregnant without sex at all...so truly...straight people are not needed AT ALL!!!
and I guess you are right about gay wedding planners being a matter of taste..but as for me I would rather a gay guy plan it and have it be special than have a straight person plan it and have it consist of a wedding with blue jeans and tee shirts, and for dinner would be beer and chicken wings, and the ceremony would be at a bowling alley...have fun with THAT!...LOL
Homosexual, self-accepting parents (they do exist, under various circumstances) are by far the most willing to accept their kids as they are and to encourage their kids to discover and be themselves. Teaching =/= encouraging self-acceptance.
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There is no way to justify, the most brutal, disgusting, harmful act to allow "gays" to adopt. How sick is this country become. Let two men who ass fuck each other where they shit from to adopt a little boy..we as a moral country have lost it....
forced to place children with unstable, mentally ill, drug addicted, aids and herpies ridden, depressed, not accepted in my community faggots.
I believe the most brutal, disgusting and harmful act to allow any child to remain a ward of the state to be sick and twisted! You obviously have no idea what terror/trauma happens to children in state run facilities!
You are one sick person....professermiller.....a sick twisted person. FYI - the man adopted these kids and had them since they were little from drug addict parents who Abused them! someone like youneeds a punch in the face!
You prove all of my points.Your so mentally unstable that you want to assault me and wish me violence because of my opinion. An opinion based on facts.And you sir(or is it ma'ma?)just proved the facts.You are like a 5th grade bully,so insecure with your manhood because you choose the "gay myth lifestyle" that you try to prove it with violence.The parents needed help for their condition,like so called "gays" need help for their sick choice.Its a choice to do drugs like its a choice to "be gay"
Still at it, Professor? Gay people are just as good parents as straight people, and children of gay parents turn out just as well as children of straight parents. If you keep telling lies, maybe you think people will start to believe you? But it's not true. There is simply no evidence to think it is true. And, thankfully, our laws are not based on your hateful, bigoted opinions in most places.
First...how in the hell do gays have children..O wait...thay cant...so how in the hell can they raise children? I tell the truth, so accept it. "being gay" is a choice, a choosen activity. And by the way, in regards to the law...my job is to enforce it...guess how ugly it gets when I get my chance at some fags or lezbos.
Professor, you keep ignoring facts, like the actual existence of gay parents and children of gay parents. You know, you may think you sound bad-ass, with your bragging about how you "enforce" the law on "fags" and "lezbos," but I bet it's all talk. Truthfully, I think it's pathetic. You don't come across as a very happy or moral or reasonable person, and I just don't think I want to waste any more time talking to you. Maybe someday you'll find some peace in your life. I hope so.
Agnostic, not all straight men know how to box or change an alternator, and not all straight fathers give their sons good advice about girls. And plenty of gay men like sports and know how to fix cars -- not that that has anything to do with parenting. A gay parent can do anything that a straight parent can do. I have two gay dads, and I think they raised me and my brothers just fine. If I had a problem, I knew I could always go to them.
Reading these posts I can see there are a lot of hateful ppl who's scope of reasoning is limited to the "good book". To me, that's more offensive than two guys/ girls hookin up. I just think there are things, at the most basic levels, that parents can teach and pass on that gays can't. It's a system that's "worked" for as long as we know for a reason. Living in the south, I'll admit, I don't know many gay dads but from my perspective I can't see it being as balanced as it otherwise could be.
Agnostic, but how is a gay parent different from a straight parent? I don't see how they're any different. I mean, everyone's an individual. And parenting styles differ from culture to culture and generation to generation. Like, parenting in ancient Greece is different from parenting in 21st century America. Parenting in rural Mongolia is different from parenting in Manhattan. There are cultural differences, but the kids in both places turn out fine.
Parenting skills are a reflection of a person's or couple's morals and beliefs. Saying that a gay couple could not be good parents is really insulting. It's insinuating that gay people have bad values which is an offensive and a seriously old stereotype. Kids deserve to have a permanent home and i'm sure they would rather be adopted by a gay couple than to jump from foster home to foster home until they're 18.
Parenting "skills" include the ability to put the child's needs before personal convenience.
Kids have reason to value a relationship with a mother. Having two dads or six dads doesn't make a motherless child less motherless. (Ditto in reverse/fatherless)
If you want kids, prepare to meet their needs. Don't just say "well this kid is an orphan so he ought to be grateful for having whatever he gets". Even orphans want a mom and a dad and it is ALWAYS tragic when a kid doesn't have one of each.
Barri, I grew up with two gay dads. Would you have considerd me a poor "motherless child?" I had a happy childhood with parents who loved me and cared about me, and my brothers and I always, always knew that we were loved and that our parents would be there for us no matter what. That's what children need. They need safety. They need security. And they need love. There is nothing that a mother can do that a father can't do just as well. Parenting skills do not depend on gender.
The problem with using peoples' own testimony is that even overtly abused children will defend their parents.
You might find that at some major life event you suddenly explode with repressed grief and rage - at the way your dads put their own desires before your needs or feelings, or the grief of the mother you weren't allowed to know, or whatever.
Or, you may never feel that.
Anecdotal evidence needs to be collected over generations before it can be reliable as a guide.
Barri, repressed grief and rage? Come on, give me a break. My dads did not put their own desires before my needs or feelings. I was taken care of and loved just like any other child. I wish more children were as lucky as I was! As for my mother, she died before I was old enough to remember. It's not like my dads prevented me from knowing her. They had nothing to do with her death. As for anecdotal evidence, you're right. Why don't you look up all the studies that have been done?
There have been many dozens of studies performed on children of gay and lesbian parents since the 1970s. And they all show the same thing: that we turn out just as well as anyone else. There have already been generations raised in same-sex households who have turned out just fine. Google "APA gay parents" or "22 year lesbian study" (no quotes) for details.
Are you a product? Are there quality guidelines to your manufacture? Who gets to write up the project specs, because I'd be very interested in seeing how a "successfully raised child" is measured.
BTW are the grownups measured by this same grading system, too? Is there any evidence that gays who aren't allowed to marry don't "turn out" well? Do their grades drop if they don't get to marry?
Barri, "turn out" means raised just as well as anyone else. We're just as happy and well adjusted as anyone. What do people think happens to kids of gay parents? None of the studies say anything untoward about us. They all say we are no more likely to suffer from problems than children of straight parents. My brothers and I are educated, employed, stable adults with normal jobs and lives and relationships. We're not on drugs or in prison or suffering from depression or anxiety or health issues.
So: is there proof that gays who are not allowed to marry are more likely to end up in prison? Are they more likely to suffer from genetic diseases like depression?
Or are we suddenly dealing with two different standards of measure, when determining what someone has a "right" to?
Kids have reason to value a relationship with both same- and opposite-sex parent. That's a problem for gays who are supposed to be acting in their child's best interest.
By the way, the reason I continue to believe you're likely to explode the day of your dad's funeral is, the more I see the gay community using their children as evidence, the more I see kids who are obviously being put under a lot of pressure to defend their parents' questionable priorities.
That *always* means denial of one's own feelings.
It is clear that, whatever else, the children of gays are *expected* - required - to be happy & well adjusted.
Barri, boy, you sure don't have any trouble telling me what I think and feel! I'm likely to explode the day of my dad's funeral? I'm sure I'll be heartbroken on that day, but I will be heartbroken because I lost one of the most important people in my life. I have no negative feelings about either of my dads being gay. I accept them totally, and they accept me, and sexual orientation has never been an issue in our relationship. I have never been in denial about our family at all.
And, Barri, I thnk it's really rotten of you to turn around and say children of gay parents are under pressure. First of all, I don't even think that's true. I'm an adult who has decided to try to educate people. When I was a little kid, I didn't feel any pressure. And if kids do feel pressure, who do you think is *putting* them under pressure? Homophobic nitwits who insist that our families and our lives are inferior and substandard and that we are lacking something essential in our lives.
And, Barri, what are you talking about liberal parents going after conservative parents for child abuse? Huh? I'm a liberal and I don't care what the heck conservative parents do with their kids as long as they're not breaking the law by beating them up or something. As for a child's needs, children *need* love. They need security. They need stability. Gay parents can provide all of those things just as well as straight parents can. There is no reason to think that they cannot.
There it is! That word "homophobic"! The reason you can't speak truth - to question a gay person makes you a "bigot", doesn't it?
Well, I don't have a problem with gay unions, I only have a problem with selfish people (gay or straight) who make their personal desires the center of their life, to the point where their own children are expected to support THEIR needs, instead of the other way around.
Barri, I'm talking about people who *attack* gay families by trying to deny us equal rights and protections and benefits and legitimacy. I consider that homophobic, and I consider people who spout nonsense about someone they have never met to be nitwits. No offense, but you don't know me. You don't know my family. Yet you feel qualified to judge us? You feel qualified to judge my life and pronounce it less worthy? Who made you God?
Rah, why? I'm a liar because I don't fit your prejudiced opinions? Yes, I do prefer my two dads. I happen to love my family, and I wouldn't trade them in for the world.
Barri, how many children of gay and lesbian parents do you know personally? Because I have met hundreds, easily, over the course of my life. And what you're describing is not at *all* my experience. No offense, but I think you're talking out of complete ignorance. This video is about adoption, not marriage, so I'm not sure why you're bring marriage into the discussion, but discriminatory laws *do* hurt people. They hurt couples and they hurt children. They make life needlessly hard for them.
You are lucky that you know what happened to your mother, and that you have the comfort of knowing your father and stepfather did not leave you motherless deliberately, for the usual selfish reasons.
But I think it downright odd you would mock the idea that a motherless daughter might feel grief or rage.
Barri, if someone's parent dies, it's possible they might feel grief, but that has *nothing* to do with having two dads. In any case, my mom died before I was old enough to have any memories of her. So rage and grief were not part of my experience. If I had been older, then I'm sure I would have felt those things. But again, those things have nothing to do with my parents being gay. And I do not agree that gay dads are selfish when they have or adopt children. Children need loving families.
Thats fine but it still only makes it YOUR opinion. It does not make it fact. I would imagine most gays don't want to be around homophobic and judgemental haters. I would rather my kid be arounf my gay friends any day than around ppl using the bible as a wepon and talking/teaching hate for anyone different than themselves.,It is very shallow.
Kinda like I am disgusted by your hate and homophobia. There isa no critical thinking or logic to your silly "cult of death: as I have seen straight people fuxk others around their kids. get real.
Airpower317xThat is a sad view claiming you're so educated! You can disagree but your hate is killing you and hurting others.you are NOT right but in your own POV as those that have lived it may have a different one . Cult of lust and death? That is one of the most UNEDUCATED statements I have read. I feel sorry for people like you that judge others in the fasion you do with hate, anger and self rightousness.
I am currently reading a book called Gendered Lives, by Julia Wood. In the book she has a section on GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered) parenting. The section states: "The majority of research on GLBT families shows that the sexual orientation of the parents is not relevant to the children's mental, emotional, or social development, or to their sexual orientation." This obviously shows that same sex parenting is adequate. So why are there so many gay adoption bans?
I'm not sure how I feel about this issue. I think that if the man is a fit parent then he should be allowed to adopt a child. Afterall, the child deserves to live in a good home with loving parents (gay or not) and the parents deserve to have kids (adopted or through technology). Are there any studies that show statistical info on children raised in a homosexual household? I think this kind of information could lead to more gays being able to adopt.
Asbuche, yes, there are actually very many studies! I think there have been over 100 total, which is why it is so crazy to me that people are still debating this issue. We already know that children of gay and lesbian parents have just as good outcomes as children of straight parents. If you want to check out some of the studies, you can google for "APA gay parents" or "22 year lesbian study" and they should pop right up.
But just because the parents are gay doesn't make the child gay, so the child's life would not be expected to be less. And if a child is adopted they aren't a result of science...the baby was still born like any normal being, but the parents could not take care of him/her, so they find a loving family who can. And if that family is two men or two women that love the child unconditionally...isn't that love?
Mia, I agree completely with you. I never even thought of the reason of the child not being able to make the decision for themselves, but I agree with you on that. Letting same-sex couples adopt children would take away from the traditional family, how it's supposed to be. According to Oxford Journals, gay life expectancy is 20 years less than straight, which could be another reason as to why same-sex adoption should not be allowed.
Mkhelwi, who gets to decide how it's supposed to be? I see no reason for discimination in adoption. I have two gay dads, and I had a happy childhood, and so did my brothers, and I know lots of other grown kids of LGBT parents who did as well. Plus, all the studies say that we turn out just fine. As for choice, *no one* gets to choose their parents, but if I actually could go back in time and choose, I would pick my two dads.
I also agree with mkhelwi, for the reason that it is natural for a man and a woman to have a baby. I think that the child would be set up for a world of discrimination. I don't think it's fair to the child. I do believe that two men or two women can love a child and support them but it's not fair for the child to be brought into that lifestyle when their not old enough to make the decision for themselves.
Mia, a lot of people face discrimination in their lives. What if someone is biracial? Or Muslim? Or what if their parents are deaf? Or use a wheelchair? Or are blind? Should their parents not have conceived or adopted them? Also, it's not like prejudice takes over one's entire life. If you're black, you'll probably hear more than one racist comment in your life, but does that make your life not worth living? Of course not! What matters is being a confident person so you know your own self worth.
If a gay person is a perfectly fit parent for a child who needs adopted I think they should be allowed to adopt. Children who are raised by gay couples turn out very similar to any other child. I think it is discrimination to ban adoption to gays. It is traditional for a man and a woman to adopt a child. Just like it is traditional for the woman to be the caretaker of the child. So if a man wants to adopt a child...he should be banned just because he is not a woman?
I don't think that discrimination is why same sex couples should not be allowed to adopt. I believe that having a child should be between a man and a woman. That is the intended, natural way. I understand that how children have been raised has changed a lot throughout history, but one thing that has not changed it takes a man and a woman to conceive a child.
That's sad. Don't you have orphaned and abandoned children in your country who need homes? Do you think they're better off in institutions than with parents who can love them? By the way, what country is that?
I don't know what it's like in Slovenia, but I bet if you asked kids living in institutions, they'd much rather have loving parents. I have two gay dads, and I turned out perfectly fine. I sure wouldn't wanted to have lived in an orphanage my whole life. If I could go back in time and choose, I'd choose to have my two fathers.
Well maybe i'm too conservative in some ways...but i still dont support gay parents. And i never will. Marriage is okay, cuz its between 2 people but adopting a child is something different.
And there's one more thing i dont get...pride parades. Why do they need to demonstrate their 'pride' anyway? Okay be proud being gay, no problem....but why making a fool out of yourself on the streets with pinky baloons, weird makeup and rainbow flags (which was a PEACE flag until the gays stole it)
I'm sure there must be some gay parents in Slovenia already. Maybe the culture there isn't quite ready for mass same-sex parenting? But I think it has to happen eventually. As long as people can care for a child and love a child, why would it matter if they were gay or not? As for pride parades, they're a celebration of freedom. Don't forget that not too long ago, gay people were put in prison and were told they had to be "cured." It's not like that anymore, which is why people celebrate.
I doubt there is any culture in the world ready for mass same-sex parenting...Obviously you have positive experiences with this, thats good for u, but nevertheless a child can have many problems growing up in such a family. Now you'll say what about drunk straight fathers and so on...well gays can be drunkards too....
I dont have anything personal against gays as long as they keep their actios among themselves and dont involve children....
Well, America sure is! We've been having a gay baby boom here for the past 25 years! Most Americans know about the concept of two moms/two dads. I'm curious what you think the problems are if children grow up in same-sex families? Why should it matter as long as the children are loved and well cared for? Aside from me and my brothers, I know lots of other adults who grew up with gay or lesbian parents. We all have normal lives. There's nothing different about us.
Look i must admit once again i have no rational argument against you....i simply think its wrong a family must consist of a mother a father and children. It was like that for the past 2 millions of human age and it should stay that way. And america is in many ways weird from my european point of view (no offence). I believe theres nothing wrong with you and i have also nothing against your two fathers.....
I understand your view, but actually human families have changed a lot throughout history. For example, kids used to be raised mostly in extended family settings. Like in tribes in many parts of the world, kids would be raised by their mothers, grandmothers, aunts, their father's other wives, etc. It wasn't just one mom and one dad living in a house somewhere. I think our culture has changed enough where gay families are pretty well accepted. Not everywhere, but most places. At least in America.
Would you rather have a straight couple, adopt a child, who's father committs sexual acts on the child,--child then tells the mom, mom doesn't do anything about it, stays with father--and he still continues sexually assulting the child? Or a straight couple who isn't financially stable? Or a gay couple who wouldn't do such a thing? Or a gay couple who could support the child? There are so many factors.
I think gays should be allowed to adopt (I mean I was adopted, by straight parents of course). But adoption, by two loving parents, regardless of gender, is still adoption, and a better option for a child, than staying in foster care, or orphanage till they turn 18.
Going to sound weird here, but I have no problem with a gay man and gay woman raising a child together. I just believe that 2 of the same gender isn't the best for a kid growing up.
I can see somewhat of your point. The child may feel confused of whats going on in this situation. But openly talking about it, as much as the child wants or needs could be an answer.
I don't know. I wouldn't want to put a child in position where he could be ostracized or treated differently because of his parents are. I just couldn't do that to a kid even though if it would be what I wanted.
That's no reason not to adopt, and it's no reason not to be born. Every kid who's part of a minority might be ostracized or treated differently at one point or another. For example, biracial kids. Jewish kids in the Bible Belt. Black kids adopted by white families. Sure, kids with gay parents are part of that category too, but it's not like our whole lives are spent dealing with prejudice. I grew up with two gay dads and I had a really happy childhood.
I don't get the reasons behind some people when they adopt kids. I would never want to put my adopted kids in a position that would make them stand out or feel different. Growing up is tough enough as is. They don't need any unnecessar shit. Some of those examples you gave are not that big of a deal, couple are and I wouldn't put a kid in a deliberate place like that just because it was what I wanted. But all those examples you gave still involved a mother and a father, though. Still normal.
The only reason growing up is tough as it is is due to society and how parents raise their kids, simply: discriminate towards others for being different. Just because Jonny has two daddys or mommys doesn't mean shit. If it were more acceptable in society, then no one would have to be bullied, or shamed about it.
Yeah, the way some parents act is bad, but tough, don't take that out on your kid though. Because you and your friends may think your better than everyone else but that doesn't change anything. And it if I had to bet on it, it will be more acceptable in society when being gay isn't as much a lifestyle/attitude/way of life, but just a sexual preference and thats all. Nothing pansy or faggy for the men and hypermasculine about the women. Normal folk who like the same sex.
People adopt kids because they want to raise children. Why should it matter if they are gay or straight as long as they can provide a good home? There are all kinds of groups that are minorities. Unless you're white and straight and Christian, you're probably going to experience prejudice or intolerant remarks *sometime* in your life. It's no different if you're growing up in a gay family. If you're biracial or black or Jewish or adopted transracially, you're going to face a comment sometime.
While the intentions are good, no great, I'm not sure if the actually execution is great. Deliberatly depriving a child of a mother or a father, always wondering why people look at us funny, one thing to go through that shit with your partner/mate but I couldn't/wouldn't subject a kid to it; your not even giving him a say in the matter. And EVERYBODY gets intolerant remarks made to towards them. Sometime in their life.
Val, I have two gay dads, so I know first hand what it's like. I would never wish not to have been born! And I would never wish for different parents to have raised me. My brothers and I had a loving home. It's no different from growing up in any other minority group, and really, most people *are* accepting about it. As far as people staring, that happens if you're disabled, or if you're a different race, or you wear special clothing, etc. Since my family is white, we don't really get stared at.
P.S. No one gets to choose their family. No one gets to say, hey, I want a white, straight, Christian family so I don't ever face any prejudice. If you're Jewish or Muslim or biracial, or if your parents are deaf, or use a wheelchair, or are dwarfs, you'll probably hear a comment or two. I bet it's a lot harder to grow up in certain kinds of minority families. I don't even think gay families are at the top of the list. Like, if you're a Muslim family in the rural South, I bet that's harder.
So you're saying gay parents shouldn't choose to have families? If that's the case, then I know tons of people who wouldn't even be alive right now. Who are you to say that people don't deserve to be born?
No, your writing words I didn't write. It doesn't seem right to deliberately raise a child with two of the same gender, marginalize a mother or a father and think that the two are interchangable.
Well, if you don't think it's right to deliberately raise a child with two parents of the same gender, then it does logically mean that a lot of people won't get born. I know people with lesbian moms who had them through donor insemination. If you're saying that their parents shouldn't have conceived them, then that means my friends wouldn't exist. And I just don't see how anyone else can make that decision for other people. It's not my job or your job to say who gets born.
Val, just because a couple needs a helping hand to make a baby does not mean that the child isn't conceived in love. Think about it. Take two straight teens who have a one-night-stand in the back of a car and get pregnant. They're not in love, but they made a baby through having sex. Then take a lesbian couple who is very much in love and made a baby through donor insemination. Which baby is conceived in love? It's the second baby. Which baby is planned and wanted? It's the second baby.
Needs a helping hand to make a baby?! Quite an understatement. And your little fairy tale about two horny kids in the back seat of a car getting pregnant is hardly an accurate picture on how and when kids are conceived.
So when the kid that the girls uh, "have," I guess....would love to be the fly on the wall when you explain to that kid where he came from when he found out in class that day where babies are suppose to come from. From love child to science child. How sweet and tender.
we need to stop justifying, glorifying, glamor-izing the act of underage, immature/irresponsible sex.
Marriage isn't just about lifelong partnership, and we really screwed things up when we let that myth take hold.
Marriage is a traditional "license to procreate", a contract between baby's mama and baby's daddy. We need to stop pretending that babies can be made "without a contract" and that this somehow doesn't hurt the baby (look how many women end up discarded, with or without the baby!)
Val, it's terribly sad that you think the worth of a child and the worth of a family depend on how the children are conceived. And it's no "fairy tale" that there are plenty of unplanned teen pregnancies in America. It's much, much better for children to be planned and wanted. Gay and lesbian couples plan for their children and want their children and in my experience are very dedicated to their children. A loving family is not hard to explain. I was never confused about why I had two dads.
Val, everyone gets treated differently at some point. Prejudice can happen to anyone, and it's no reason not to be born. It can happen if you're too skinny or too fat or too tall or too thin or the "wrong" color or the "wrong" religion or wear the "wrong" clothing. As I said, I grew up with two dads. My brothers and I went to school. We had friends. We went to birthday parties. We had sleepovers. We did all the normal things kids do. My childhood was really happy, and I'm glad I was born.
And the differences you mentioned before are ones that you as a child make the choice of how you want to look or act; the other two are a little outdated or your family is truly living in thw wrong area if its that bad. (Regarding color or religion.)
But it's not just ME, Val. If you look at all the studies that have been done, you can see for yourself that children raised by gay and lesbian parents turn out just fine. I can't link here, but just google for "APA gay parents" or "22 year lesbian study" and they'll come right up. Regarding prejudice, sadly, racism and anti-Semitism and anti-Muslim attitudes still exist and are faced by millions of people. I wish it didn't exist either, but it does. And kids can be teased for that, too.
P.S. And my point really was that prejudice is no reason not be born or not to be raised in the family that you're in. Prejudice may be unpleasant, but it doesn't have to define you. As long as your parents teach you to be strong and confident and proud of who you are, then you'll be just fine. That goes for religion or race or sexual orientation or anything else. Being different is not bad. The world would be boring if we were all the same.
I'm 17 years old, Gay and happy. when i am older i want to adopt a child with conditions that need extra care... you know.. the ones that are left in foster homes by the heterosexual couple.
MykolAlexander 3 months ago
@MrChristmas365
Is it more selfish to provide kids a home because you want to be a parent or to keep kids from having a place to live because you don't like their parents? You say kids need a mother and a father. Do you even know how many kids are raised in a single parent household? My parents got divorced because my dad abused us. I was raised by a single mother. I didn't have a father. Isn't that the same thing? I would imagine two moms are better than one...
Your arguments fail so hard.
Arteia 1 year ago
I do hope the kids don't become gay.. it's sad to see that these "men" can raise children.. I hope that they know it's WRONG and know Jesus.
layhayla 1 year ago
@layhayla
The sexual orientation of the parents is not something that is passed down to the kids. It's incredibly ignorant to think that kids raised by gay parents are more likely to be gay. (By the way, you don't become gay, you are born that way.)
Arteia 1 year ago
Layhayla, whether or not kids grow up to be gay is something only God can decide, for He is the one who creates some of His children to be homosexual, as part of His divine plan for them. As a "person" who hopefully cares about the welfare of any child in need, perhaps you could fight against your Satan-inspired prejudice and learn to love your fellow man, as Jesus would. Your attitude sickens the Lord.
GodCreatesGays2 1 year ago
@layhayla so straight people only raise straight kids
dekuschlub 6 months ago
I've been saying for years that gays should create their own religion and perhaps call it Gaytianity, and they can refer to themselves as Gaytians.
As for gays adopting children, a child should be raised by a mother and a father. A child needs that natural and healthy mental and emotional balance. How can two women or two men think for a child and know what's best for the child in those aspects? It's selfish. They want children for selfish reasons. They want to be able to do it to feel normal.
MrChristmas365 1 year ago
@MrChristmas365 " They want to be able to do it to feel normal." and you dont want that because you want to deny them that to make them feel less "normal" just because they are diffrent than you.
and its not like gay/lesbians are stealing children from loving straight parents. its not a choice between two straight parents and two homosexual parents it is a choice between two homosexual parents and no parents.
AceofDiamonds0 1 year ago
@MrChristmas365 I agree apart from your idea of a gay religion. It think that's just silly, but I believe that child raising is something which you opt out of by choosing same sex relations. I wouldn't try to stop gay relationships but I think it's unfair to exploit children's circumstance to justify one's personal regrets in choosing to opt out of the natural family unit.
wrathpsp 1 year ago
Thank God for the "Yankee" transplant because it is the only thing that keeps this bible thumping backwards state from total collapse. When I heard the ruling today I knew it was a progressive judge not some TYPICAL FloriDUH bible thumping redneck thinking judge.
BrownDarter 1 year ago
I read that this was overturned and am glad that FL and AK! Lovely! Keep it up!
vidhead85 1 year ago
if my child puts his finger in the light socket and he gets shocked i tell him not to do it if he dos it again he gets in trouble you see ignorance is bliss but knowledge to sin is punished i haven't read the bible so i don't know what my father considers bad but if you read the bible you must know only god can judge as you have knowledge god will punish i don't judge so as for that i will not get punished
OFFICIALDAVIDGUEVARA 1 year ago
@OFFICIALDAVIDGUEVARA I find that such a load. It's human nature to judge. It's such a load of crap when people say "I don't judge" when they do it every fucking day.
Titanz91 1 year ago
this country has separation from religion so don't put god in this cause god didn't wrought the constitutions god didn't make the US Government no one is a true christian now a days most people smoke curse and exhibit aggressive behaviors which is not of a true christian if your a true christian you would not say fag or talk bad about another brother only god himself can judge another brother so if you want to judge you are not christian and your going above god
OFFICIALDAVIDGUEVARA 1 year ago
cuban4ever19,,,,every priest whoever molested a child is shoved down our throat by the controlled jewish media,,,,but in reality rabbis by similar numbers are just as guilty and covicted of same crimes as priests ,,,but guess who controls your media nearly one hundred per cent,,,,jews not catholics,,,so the continual message is fed to the people,,,jewish media never mentions incident s of jewish pedophilia,,,untouchable subject
nastylefthook1 1 year ago
@nastylefthook1
Blame it all on the Jews. That's original. GO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF, U STUPID FUCKING BIGOT. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE WILL EVER MISS YOU. I PROMISE.
rblight10 1 year ago
I bet all those people who think gays have sex all the time might be gay themselves because they wish they could have sex all the time
medpersan7943 1 year ago
Thanks to the efforts of morally corrupt people like Howard Simon, fags can now legally recruit little children and corrupt their innocent young minds with their perverse gay agenda. Homosexuality destroys societies and it is also destroying America. You people having babies out there get your shit together so your children wont be forced to live in these morally corrupt environments. A fag’s love is not the same as Gods love.
MrBongo43 1 year ago
@MrBongo43 I was born and raise with a mother a father.No one in my family is gay, but me.So how can you explain this? I was born between heterosexuals with love,attention,care,support.It doesnt matter if its a heterosexual or homosexual couple.Love is love no matter what.And since you like to speak so nasty about gays have you not seen how many ''normal'' mothers have gotten there new born and thrown then away in trash cans and how many fathers abuse there kids.
Cubana4ever19 1 year ago
@Cubana4ever19 Yes it matters greatly whether it is a heterosexual or homosexual couple that is if you believe in God Almighty. If you don’t than I guess anything goes. There are some fags that think their Christians but they are not true Christians. Beleiving in Christ and following his teachings are two different things. I bet your parents weep every time they think of the choice you made concerning your sexual preference. Repent before the Lord your God and turn away from this deadly sin.
MrBongo43 1 year ago
@MrBongo43 Fuck religion you piece of shit.If youre happy the way you are why not let other be happy?you discrimate us so much becuase you dont know what it is or how it feels to be gay and be discriminated and get pointed fingers at from dickheads like you.Please kill yourself, you MISERABLE fuck.Thanks
Cubana4ever19 1 year ago
@Cubana4ever19 What does discriminate mean to you? Have I denied you employment, or kicked your ass for being gay? I am not discriminating at all and you are correct in stating that I don’t know what it is like to be gay. It must be hell on your body as well as your soul. Can you even walk without shitting in your pants? I am just showing your blind ass the error of your ways but deep down in your soul, you know that having sex with another man is evil.
MrBongo43 1 year ago
the following of gods will as a true christian u must judge none but with love and humility show others the love and the wisdom of your god by putting some one down you are telling others your god is a black and white god or your good or bad and our god is not as such our god is forgiving loving and most of all his our father and you are our brother so learn you position brother or our father will put you in your place
OFFICIALDAVIDGUEVARA 1 year ago
@MrBongo43 discriminatory - prejudiced: being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand; if you think "It must be hell on your body as well as your soul. Can you even walk without shitting in your pants?" what do you know about our soul let me remind you gay in English terms mean's happy the gay flag is a rainbow. you are no one to show anyone their blind ways only god can show anyone that by his words only found in the bible your soul duty as a christian is to encourage
OFFICIALDAVIDGUEVARA 1 year ago
@MrBongo43 No, it feels good (Emotionally and physically), shows trust, and that ass holes like you are completely wrong. It's not being gay that hurts us, it's the backwards treatment we get from douche bags like you. Fuck off.
Titanz91 1 year ago
@MrBongo43 and not even that,since you put ''A fag's love is not the same as Gods love.'' First of all shut the fuck up, HOW MANY FUCKING PRIEST WE SEE EVERY OTHER WEEK ON THE NEWS FUCKING RAPING AND MOLESTING PEOPLE? so get the fuck outta here with your god and all this religion cheap garbage.Im pretty sure just by the way you express youself about homosexuals,you should be a pretty miserable person.Just check yourself before juding someone next time dumb bitch. GAY ADOPTION ALL THE WAYYY!!! :)
Cubana4ever19 1 year ago
@Cubana4ever19 Listen up faggot. The screwed up priest you are referring to are not true men of God. True followers of Jesus Christ would never partake in such an unholy act of mockery. They are nothing more than wolves in sheeps clothing deceiving the masses. By the way, I am quit a happy person. I must say I would be happier if there were not so many anal copulating fagots running around pushing their confused state of mind on society and especially the children. To hell with gay adoption.
MrBongo43 1 year ago
@MrBongo43
FUCK YOUR MORON GOD. HE DOES NOT FUCKING EXIST. HE IS MAKE BELIEVE. YOU ARE A STUPID FUCKING RETARD BIGOT WHO NEED TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE GENE POOL. Kill yourself, U stupid fucking redneck.
rblight10 1 year ago
@rblight10 It looks like you got into the wrong gene pool fag. You should have gotten out when you had the chance.
MrBongo43 1 year ago
@MrBongo43
I am not gay, U stupid cunt. I guess it is too much for your simpleton mind to accept that heterosexuals can be totally supportive of gay rights. You need to be eradicated. FUCK OFF, RETARDED BIGOT. go pray to dead rotting JEEEEEESUS.
rblight10 1 year ago
i dont think anyone should listen to a religion that condemns the use of condoms and thinks molesting children is A-OK.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago 2
tbh there are so many children needing loving homes i'm straight but if i was a child in a care home i wouldn't care who adopted me aslong as it was a stable home that could care for me and give the attention i needed.. i think people just need to realise kids needs homes and you should be thankfull that adults are willing to look after kids that arn't thier own. just my 2 cent
Rituska112 1 year ago 3
So, Larry King is getting his 8th divorce, Elizabeth Taylor is possibly getting married for a 9th time, Jesse James and Tiger Woods are screwing EVERYTHING, yet the idea of same-sex marriage is what is going to destroy the institution of marriage?? REALLY??...
itsbradie 1 year ago 14
@itsbradie Divorce has done enough damage to the institution of marriage
vidhead85 1 year ago
:) Thank You :)
itsbradie 1 year ago
as well he should . Gay people cannot make their own babies , so they have to recruit. their lifestyle is against nature. If two sperm cannot fertilize one another , neither can two eggs, then why would God put the people that dontated them together?
tbursee 1 year ago
@tbursee
ok so a homosexual shouldnt be allowed to adopt. and they will stay in that nice "normal" enviorment in the orphanage, or as i like to call it "the children pound", where their "real" parents have abandoned them.
now doesnt that seem better than letting a homosexual adopt that child, so it isnt subjected to the love of homosexual parents?
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
@AceofDimonds0 a child being abandoned by their parents , or their parents dying with noother relatives is sad. But that is better then being raised around to homosexuals. You guys cant reproduce, so you recruit. What that does is it builds sympathy and tolerance for your perverted lifestyle. The child accepts it as normal because thats allthey know and they are greatful to have a home.
tbursee 1 year ago
@tbursee a couple decides to adopt a child; giving it love, a warm bed and a cozy home, love, three square meals a day, love, a good education, love, a chance to make friends with local children, love, a good education, love, and all the toys the kid could want.
but oh no!! the couple is a homosexual couple, therefore they couldnt possibly be good parents and that somehow the child will grow-up "wrong". dont force the child to grow up in that kind of place.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
@tbursee Do you honestly think homosexuals have sex all the time?
We don't "recruit". You can't influence someone's sexual preference through raising them. They will be accepting of their parents, but they will quickly realize that it isn't normal. And do you really think that 2 gay parents is worse than no parents at all? Please get some brains.
hotpotato44 1 year ago
disgusting.. i think gills lawyer's a fag too
blubberman911 1 year ago
congradulation to u and ur family I'm so happy for u all Hurray !
myproo 1 year ago
What I love how is with every video that even mentions anything about the word gay, there's a sudden comment war about whether homosexuality is moral/exists/is disgusting/is a myth made up by the liberal agenda. It's sort of hilarious.
You guys. Gay exists. There's a lot of nasty stuff in this world, and you're ranting about /gays/? C'mon.
TheMetallicSharpie 2 years ago
watch?v=1dkoSJt6xfY
someguyyt 2 years ago
Hallelujah! Got must be enjoying these news because God is love and this is when Love wins. I like this video but i even more like the discussion below. You rock rainbowheartgirl! I think you bigot "church people" will go to hell for your hatred. You guys don't have a clue....
originalperloocko 2 years ago
Gay basterd
BritishBeliever 2 years ago
Ha ha ha haaaa! You made me laugh out loudly! I'm straight. But seriously, it doesn't matter at all. Your comment just shows how narrow minded you are. I don't have to be gay or lesbian to support gay and lesbian rights. They have the same ones just like any other person. There is no difference. If there is any difference, then it's between people who support these rights and those who try to deny them. Apparently me and you are sorted....
originalperloocko 2 years ago
if you think that two straight parents can give a child what homosexual parents can...do you know how many of the children in the child welfare system have been abused by straight parents..about 99.9%. I know, I work with them everyday. Being straight does not make you a good parent.
ksz1104 2 years ago
Ksz1104
Where are your statistics coming from? 99.9%? Are you serious? You are making up statistics without giving any source...very interesting.
nxtITPRO 2 years ago
99.9%? huh. I know for a fact that the state has a way of taking children away from parents who have a pot habit, or at least don't believe in giving it up just because it's illegal like sodomy is in many states. but then again, whoever said that just because something's illegal that the court never looked the other way when it served it's own political correctness? I've seen the light of day when it comes to kids being taken, why is it that almost of the parents WANT THEIR KIDS BACK? CPS sucks
snowfallzz 2 years ago
I think we should all refer to Genesis 3:2;
Meow meow meow.
SoylentCyan 2 years ago
Fags adopting children is nothing but legalized child abuse. Jesus warned this would happen; that there would be a global rise in homosexuality just before His return:
"Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot, people were eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, building; but on the day Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all." (Luke 17:28-29)
MaryWaterton 2 years ago
Mary, what awful language you use. Do you think Jesus would approve of you calling people names? I feel sorry that you have these beliefs, even though I can't change your mind. I will say, however, that I was raised by two gay dads, and my brothers and I were not abused. We had a very happy childhood, thank you very much. Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge others. I thought that was supposed to be God's job anyway.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
jesus talked about homosexuals adopting? no. he did not. did you ever meet him? did he write anything himself? no he didnt. theres not even any proof he existed.
omgnuub 2 years ago
omgnuub shut up!
just stop it ... Historians proved Jesus existed.
Why would Jesus talk about gays adopting when back in the days there was no such thing.
Jesus didnt talk about cars, planes, spaceships because they DIDNT EXIST
1tymthing 2 years ago
i agree, we must save our children and america!!!
BANGLBTADOPTIONS 2 years ago
Here is the bottom line, kids need homes. My parents were both str8 and Im gay. You can't persuade somebody to change their sexual orientation. PLUS, act stupid and say that gay parents do raise gay children. Guess what, the population goes down, if you know anything about calculus the 2nd derivative of the population is very positive, we need to address this issue and fast.
teamjinx 2 years ago
La Fonda ur such a faggot
and ur moron........such a loser
I don't fink u've seen a gay documentry
gay couples who adopt, a mojority adopt little
boys who evently r gay or r embarassed of their gay parents or dey get bullied @ skool
RahNiggette 2 years ago
so a single gay man can adopt ....but couples cannot...doesnt make sense. Somewhere down the line that single gay man is going to have a relationship and wouldnt that be considered a couple? hmmm...puzzling
Lainie423 2 years ago
Gay people shouldn't b able 2 adopt
becos they alone adopt young boyz and do things 2 them also teaching other peoples kids 2 b gay.....now dats jus rong
RahNiggette 2 years ago
Rah, that's a very ignorant thing to say. Gay men are no more likely to abuse children than straight men! And you can't teach a child (your own, or anyone else's) to be gay. People are either gay or they aren't. My brothers and I were raised by two gay dads, and we're both straight (not that it should matter) and my parents loved and supported us and didn't care anything about our sexual orientation. They just wanted us to be happy.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
you can definately teach someone to be gay, just like you can teach someone to be straight. its called INFLUENCE & expectations, otherwise rebellion
1tymthing 2 years ago
Thing, how? How in the world can you teach someone to be gay or straight? That doesn't even make sense. Your sexual feelings come from *inside* you. It's in your brain. Reading a book about gay people or spending time with gay people doesn't change a child's brain. If he or she was born with a brain that's "wired" for the opposite sex, then that's true no matter what. Same for gay kids too of course. Why else would there be gay people who grew up in straight homes with all-straight role models?
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
No, your sexual feelings can definately be influenced. Just like nowadays skinny girls are seen as the ideal beauty, most guys will believe this and choose skinny girls over fat girls. If in a home, homosexuality is shown as the ideal, eventually you're going to believe this (its subliminal, & subliminal messages can influence your actions hence making you more attracted to the same sex)
1tymthing 2 years ago
Thing, maybe you should take a course in human sexuality. I don't think any scientists would agree with you.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
Why would I take a course in human sexuality, so someone can teach me nonsense?
If being gay becomes glamourized, I'm sure that many people will choose that path regardless of feelings of attraction, which I believe some people are doing right now (they're not born gay, but use that as an excuse)
1tymthing 2 years ago
Thing, well, like I said, I think you are woefully misinformed. I grew up in a gay household with gay parents and plenty of gay role models. Yet, my brothers and I are all straight. Your sexual orientation is simply the way you are "wired." Your family has nothing to do with it. You're either attracted to the same sex or you're not. No one can change the way your brain works.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
so you are saying that if gay became glamorous then YOU would suddenly turn gay too?...wow..good to know. welcome out of your closet.
seems to me that since STRAIGHT has been glamorized for thousands of years then all people would be straight right?...ooops guess your little theory has a hole in it...LIKE your ass..which I am sure you will be using very soon since GAY IS ALREADY GLAMOROUS...
kind of ironic that you thing GOD hates gay marriage since he made gays the best wedding planners..LOL
deeter131 2 years ago
by the way being gay wont be glamorous to me! but it is 'glamorized'
hetrosexuality is still by far more popular than homosexuality (& its the only way a person can reproduce)
& your joke isn't true either; 'best wedding planners' depending on what you like
1tymthing 2 years ago
I dont know what world you live in but not only can gay people have babies rendering straight people non essential...sex does not even have to be involved at all..ever hear of test tube babies?..LOL..wow..and a gay man can get a gay woman pregnant without sex at all...so truly...straight people are not needed AT ALL!!!
deeter131 2 years ago
and I guess you are right about gay wedding planners being a matter of taste..but as for me I would rather a gay guy plan it and have it be special than have a straight person plan it and have it consist of a wedding with blue jeans and tee shirts, and for dinner would be beer and chicken wings, and the ceremony would be at a bowling alley...have fun with THAT!...LOL
deeter131 2 years ago
@1tymthing "(& its the only way a person can reproduce)"
What's your point? You'll never win if you can't answer that question.
aswar87 1 year ago
@1tymthing I'm posting this comment on my twitter and facebook accounts. The ignorance of your statement here is just too hilarious.
By the way, I agree, you should stay away from all academic areas of study.
JUST YOU!
aswar87 1 year ago
what a total moron you are Rah.
LaFondaBHH 2 years ago
Haha, homosexuality =/= pedophilia
and
Homosexual, self-accepting parents (they do exist, under various circumstances) are by far the most willing to accept their kids as they are and to encourage their kids to discover and be themselves. Teaching =/= encouraging self-acceptance.
SerdnaSagrav 2 years ago 2
However, encouragin 'self-acceptance' can b stupid if u're acceptin somethin that isn't wat/who yu really are.
homosexuality is wrong! I kno it, U kno it (deep inside U kno i'm right)
Homosexual parenting lacks what straight parents can give (potential wise)
RahNiggette 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
There is no way to justify, the most brutal, disgusting, harmful act to allow "gays" to adopt. How sick is this country become. Let two men who ass fuck each other where they shit from to adopt a little boy..we as a moral country have lost it....
forced to place children with unstable, mentally ill, drug addicted, aids and herpies ridden, depressed, not accepted in my community faggots.
professermiller 2 years ago
I believe the most brutal, disgusting and harmful act to allow any child to remain a ward of the state to be sick and twisted! You obviously have no idea what terror/trauma happens to children in state run facilities!
macrent2 2 years ago 4
You are one sick person....professermiller.....a sick twisted person. FYI - the man adopted these kids and had them since they were little from drug addict parents who Abused them! someone like youneeds a punch in the face!
rextrek 2 years ago 2
You prove all of my points.Your so mentally unstable that you want to assault me and wish me violence because of my opinion. An opinion based on facts.And you sir(or is it ma'ma?)just proved the facts.You are like a 5th grade bully,so insecure with your manhood because you choose the "gay myth lifestyle" that you try to prove it with violence.The parents needed help for their condition,like so called "gays" need help for their sick choice.Its a choice to do drugs like its a choice to "be gay"
professermiller 2 years ago
Still at it, Professor? Gay people are just as good parents as straight people, and children of gay parents turn out just as well as children of straight parents. If you keep telling lies, maybe you think people will start to believe you? But it's not true. There is simply no evidence to think it is true. And, thankfully, our laws are not based on your hateful, bigoted opinions in most places.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
First...how in the hell do gays have children..O wait...thay cant...so how in the hell can they raise children? I tell the truth, so accept it. "being gay" is a choice, a choosen activity. And by the way, in regards to the law...my job is to enforce it...guess how ugly it gets when I get my chance at some fags or lezbos.
professermiller 2 years ago
Professor, you keep ignoring facts, like the actual existence of gay parents and children of gay parents. You know, you may think you sound bad-ass, with your bragging about how you "enforce" the law on "fags" and "lezbos," but I bet it's all talk. Truthfully, I think it's pathetic. You don't come across as a very happy or moral or reasonable person, and I just don't think I want to waste any more time talking to you. Maybe someday you'll find some peace in your life. I hope so.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
How sick this country has become where half of America shares your viewpoint.
codefelpnobrain 2 years ago
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AgnosticEra 2 years ago
Agnostic, not all straight men know how to box or change an alternator, and not all straight fathers give their sons good advice about girls. And plenty of gay men like sports and know how to fix cars -- not that that has anything to do with parenting. A gay parent can do anything that a straight parent can do. I have two gay dads, and I think they raised me and my brothers just fine. If I had a problem, I knew I could always go to them.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
Reading these posts I can see there are a lot of hateful ppl who's scope of reasoning is limited to the "good book". To me, that's more offensive than two guys/ girls hookin up. I just think there are things, at the most basic levels, that parents can teach and pass on that gays can't. It's a system that's "worked" for as long as we know for a reason. Living in the south, I'll admit, I don't know many gay dads but from my perspective I can't see it being as balanced as it otherwise could be.
AgnosticEra 2 years ago
Agnostic, but how is a gay parent different from a straight parent? I don't see how they're any different. I mean, everyone's an individual. And parenting styles differ from culture to culture and generation to generation. Like, parenting in ancient Greece is different from parenting in 21st century America. Parenting in rural Mongolia is different from parenting in Manhattan. There are cultural differences, but the kids in both places turn out fine.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
Parenting skills are a reflection of a person's or couple's morals and beliefs. Saying that a gay couple could not be good parents is really insulting. It's insinuating that gay people have bad values which is an offensive and a seriously old stereotype. Kids deserve to have a permanent home and i'm sure they would rather be adopted by a gay couple than to jump from foster home to foster home until they're 18.
titanx9 2 years ago 2
Parenting "skills" include the ability to put the child's needs before personal convenience.
Kids have reason to value a relationship with a mother. Having two dads or six dads doesn't make a motherless child less motherless. (Ditto in reverse/fatherless)
If you want kids, prepare to meet their needs. Don't just say "well this kid is an orphan so he ought to be grateful for having whatever he gets". Even orphans want a mom and a dad and it is ALWAYS tragic when a kid doesn't have one of each.
barrilixx 2 years ago
Barri, I grew up with two gay dads. Would you have considerd me a poor "motherless child?" I had a happy childhood with parents who loved me and cared about me, and my brothers and I always, always knew that we were loved and that our parents would be there for us no matter what. That's what children need. They need safety. They need security. And they need love. There is nothing that a mother can do that a father can't do just as well. Parenting skills do not depend on gender.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
The problem with using peoples' own testimony is that even overtly abused children will defend their parents.
You might find that at some major life event you suddenly explode with repressed grief and rage - at the way your dads put their own desires before your needs or feelings, or the grief of the mother you weren't allowed to know, or whatever.
Or, you may never feel that.
Anecdotal evidence needs to be collected over generations before it can be reliable as a guide.
barrilixx 2 years ago
Barri, repressed grief and rage? Come on, give me a break. My dads did not put their own desires before my needs or feelings. I was taken care of and loved just like any other child. I wish more children were as lucky as I was! As for my mother, she died before I was old enough to remember. It's not like my dads prevented me from knowing her. They had nothing to do with her death. As for anecdotal evidence, you're right. Why don't you look up all the studies that have been done?
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
There have been many dozens of studies performed on children of gay and lesbian parents since the 1970s. And they all show the same thing: that we turn out just as well as anyone else. There have already been generations raised in same-sex households who have turned out just fine. Google "APA gay parents" or "22 year lesbian study" (no quotes) for details.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
You "turn out" just as well as anyone?
According to whose definition?
Are you a product? Are there quality guidelines to your manufacture? Who gets to write up the project specs, because I'd be very interested in seeing how a "successfully raised child" is measured.
BTW are the grownups measured by this same grading system, too? Is there any evidence that gays who aren't allowed to marry don't "turn out" well? Do their grades drop if they don't get to marry?
barrilixx 2 years ago
Barri, "turn out" means raised just as well as anyone else. We're just as happy and well adjusted as anyone. What do people think happens to kids of gay parents? None of the studies say anything untoward about us. They all say we are no more likely to suffer from problems than children of straight parents. My brothers and I are educated, employed, stable adults with normal jobs and lives and relationships. We're not on drugs or in prison or suffering from depression or anxiety or health issues.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago 2
So: is there proof that gays who are not allowed to marry are more likely to end up in prison? Are they more likely to suffer from genetic diseases like depression?
Or are we suddenly dealing with two different standards of measure, when determining what someone has a "right" to?
Kids have reason to value a relationship with both same- and opposite-sex parent. That's a problem for gays who are supposed to be acting in their child's best interest.
barrilixx 2 years ago
By the way, the reason I continue to believe you're likely to explode the day of your dad's funeral is, the more I see the gay community using their children as evidence, the more I see kids who are obviously being put under a lot of pressure to defend their parents' questionable priorities.
That *always* means denial of one's own feelings.
It is clear that, whatever else, the children of gays are *expected* - required - to be happy & well adjusted.
barrilixx 2 years ago
Barri, boy, you sure don't have any trouble telling me what I think and feel! I'm likely to explode the day of my dad's funeral? I'm sure I'll be heartbroken on that day, but I will be heartbroken because I lost one of the most important people in my life. I have no negative feelings about either of my dads being gay. I accept them totally, and they accept me, and sexual orientation has never been an issue in our relationship. I have never been in denial about our family at all.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago 7
And, Barri, I thnk it's really rotten of you to turn around and say children of gay parents are under pressure. First of all, I don't even think that's true. I'm an adult who has decided to try to educate people. When I was a little kid, I didn't feel any pressure. And if kids do feel pressure, who do you think is *putting* them under pressure? Homophobic nitwits who insist that our families and our lives are inferior and substandard and that we are lacking something essential in our lives.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago 3
Funny, liberals don't have any problem getting into conservative families when *they* see child abuse. And that's as it should be.
But maybe it's time liberals learned to live up to their own standards.
The gay community wants to call it "bigotry" if you accuse them of not being good parents, but the fact is, they don't treat their kids well.
Good parents start with what a child needs, *not* with their own desires (& then find proof that it 'doesn't really hurt').
barrilixx 2 years ago
And, Barri, what are you talking about liberal parents going after conservative parents for child abuse? Huh? I'm a liberal and I don't care what the heck conservative parents do with their kids as long as they're not breaking the law by beating them up or something. As for a child's needs, children *need* love. They need security. They need stability. Gay parents can provide all of those things just as well as straight parents can. There is no reason to think that they cannot.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
barrilixx......hey sherlock - come back and comment when YOU have a clue as to what you are talking about.
rextrek 2 years ago
There it is! That word "homophobic"! The reason you can't speak truth - to question a gay person makes you a "bigot", doesn't it?
Well, I don't have a problem with gay unions, I only have a problem with selfish people (gay or straight) who make their personal desires the center of their life, to the point where their own children are expected to support THEIR needs, instead of the other way around.
Ditto "single by choice" parents.
barrilixx 2 years ago
Barri, I'm talking about people who *attack* gay families by trying to deny us equal rights and protections and benefits and legitimacy. I consider that homophobic, and I consider people who spout nonsense about someone they have never met to be nitwits. No offense, but you don't know me. You don't know my family. Yet you feel qualified to judge us? You feel qualified to judge my life and pronounce it less worthy? Who made you God?
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
You're honestly sayin that you prefer 2 dads to 1 mother 1 father
You're a liar if you say yes
RahNiggette 2 years ago
Rah, why? I'm a liar because I don't fit your prejudiced opinions? Yes, I do prefer my two dads. I happen to love my family, and I wouldn't trade them in for the world.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago 2
Barri, how many children of gay and lesbian parents do you know personally? Because I have met hundreds, easily, over the course of my life. And what you're describing is not at *all* my experience. No offense, but I think you're talking out of complete ignorance. This video is about adoption, not marriage, so I'm not sure why you're bring marriage into the discussion, but discriminatory laws *do* hurt people. They hurt couples and they hurt children. They make life needlessly hard for them.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago 2
You are lucky that you know what happened to your mother, and that you have the comfort of knowing your father and stepfather did not leave you motherless deliberately, for the usual selfish reasons.
But I think it downright odd you would mock the idea that a motherless daughter might feel grief or rage.
barrilixx 2 years ago
Barri, if someone's parent dies, it's possible they might feel grief, but that has *nothing* to do with having two dads. In any case, my mom died before I was old enough to have any memories of her. So rage and grief were not part of my experience. If I had been older, then I'm sure I would have felt those things. But again, those things have nothing to do with my parents being gay. And I do not agree that gay dads are selfish when they have or adopt children. Children need loving families.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
Thats fine but it still only makes it YOUR opinion. It does not make it fact. I would imagine most gays don't want to be around homophobic and judgemental haters. I would rather my kid be arounf my gay friends any day than around ppl using the bible as a wepon and talking/teaching hate for anyone different than themselves.,It is very shallow.
kiastar67 2 years ago
Kinda like I am disgusted by your hate and homophobia. There isa no critical thinking or logic to your silly "cult of death: as I have seen straight people fuxk others around their kids. get real.
kiastar67 2 years ago
Airpower317xThat is a sad view claiming you're so educated! You can disagree but your hate is killing you and hurting others.you are NOT right but in your own POV as those that have lived it may have a different one . Cult of lust and death? That is one of the most UNEDUCATED statements I have read. I feel sorry for people like you that judge others in the fasion you do with hate, anger and self rightousness.
kiastar67 2 years ago
I am currently reading a book called Gendered Lives, by Julia Wood. In the book she has a section on GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered) parenting. The section states: "The majority of research on GLBT families shows that the sexual orientation of the parents is not relevant to the children's mental, emotional, or social development, or to their sexual orientation." This obviously shows that same sex parenting is adequate. So why are there so many gay adoption bans?
musicman01987 2 years ago
I'm not sure how I feel about this issue. I think that if the man is a fit parent then he should be allowed to adopt a child. Afterall, the child deserves to live in a good home with loving parents (gay or not) and the parents deserve to have kids (adopted or through technology). Are there any studies that show statistical info on children raised in a homosexual household? I think this kind of information could lead to more gays being able to adopt.
asbuche2010 2 years ago
Asbuche, yes, there are actually very many studies! I think there have been over 100 total, which is why it is so crazy to me that people are still debating this issue. We already know that children of gay and lesbian parents have just as good outcomes as children of straight parents. If you want to check out some of the studies, you can google for "APA gay parents" or "22 year lesbian study" and they should pop right up.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
But just because the parents are gay doesn't make the child gay, so the child's life would not be expected to be less. And if a child is adopted they aren't a result of science...the baby was still born like any normal being, but the parents could not take care of him/her, so they find a loving family who can. And if that family is two men or two women that love the child unconditionally...isn't that love?
musicman01987 2 years ago
Mia, I agree completely with you. I never even thought of the reason of the child not being able to make the decision for themselves, but I agree with you on that. Letting same-sex couples adopt children would take away from the traditional family, how it's supposed to be. According to Oxford Journals, gay life expectancy is 20 years less than straight, which could be another reason as to why same-sex adoption should not be allowed.
mkhelwi 2 years ago
Mkhelwi, who gets to decide how it's supposed to be? I see no reason for discimination in adoption. I have two gay dads, and I had a happy childhood, and so did my brothers, and I know lots of other grown kids of LGBT parents who did as well. Plus, all the studies say that we turn out just fine. As for choice, *no one* gets to choose their parents, but if I actually could go back in time and choose, I would pick my two dads.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago 2
I also agree with mkhelwi, for the reason that it is natural for a man and a woman to have a baby. I think that the child would be set up for a world of discrimination. I don't think it's fair to the child. I do believe that two men or two women can love a child and support them but it's not fair for the child to be brought into that lifestyle when their not old enough to make the decision for themselves.
messymia17 2 years ago
Mia, a lot of people face discrimination in their lives. What if someone is biracial? Or Muslim? Or what if their parents are deaf? Or use a wheelchair? Or are blind? Should their parents not have conceived or adopted them? Also, it's not like prejudice takes over one's entire life. If you're black, you'll probably hear more than one racist comment in your life, but does that make your life not worth living? Of course not! What matters is being a confident person so you know your own self worth.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
If a gay person is a perfectly fit parent for a child who needs adopted I think they should be allowed to adopt. Children who are raised by gay couples turn out very similar to any other child. I think it is discrimination to ban adoption to gays. It is traditional for a man and a woman to adopt a child. Just like it is traditional for the woman to be the caretaker of the child. So if a man wants to adopt a child...he should be banned just because he is not a woman?
musicman01987 2 years ago
I don't think that discrimination is why same sex couples should not be allowed to adopt. I believe that having a child should be between a man and a woman. That is the intended, natural way. I understand that how children have been raised has changed a lot throughout history, but one thing that has not changed it takes a man and a woman to conceive a child.
mkhelwi 2 years ago
I'm glad that in my country gays cant adopt children.....lets hope it stays that way :)
Go on, give me some minuses now hahaha
RedrumSLO 2 years ago
That's sad. Don't you have orphaned and abandoned children in your country who need homes? Do you think they're better off in institutions than with parents who can love them? By the way, what country is that?
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
Dont ask me why, but i simply cant accept two gays to adopt a child. I think they're better off in institutions yes....and i come from Slovenia.
RedrumSLO 2 years ago
I don't know what it's like in Slovenia, but I bet if you asked kids living in institutions, they'd much rather have loving parents. I have two gay dads, and I turned out perfectly fine. I sure wouldn't wanted to have lived in an orphanage my whole life. If I could go back in time and choose, I'd choose to have my two fathers.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
Well maybe i'm too conservative in some ways...but i still dont support gay parents. And i never will. Marriage is okay, cuz its between 2 people but adopting a child is something different.
And there's one more thing i dont get...pride parades. Why do they need to demonstrate their 'pride' anyway? Okay be proud being gay, no problem....but why making a fool out of yourself on the streets with pinky baloons, weird makeup and rainbow flags (which was a PEACE flag until the gays stole it)
RedrumSLO 2 years ago
I'm sure there must be some gay parents in Slovenia already. Maybe the culture there isn't quite ready for mass same-sex parenting? But I think it has to happen eventually. As long as people can care for a child and love a child, why would it matter if they were gay or not? As for pride parades, they're a celebration of freedom. Don't forget that not too long ago, gay people were put in prison and were told they had to be "cured." It's not like that anymore, which is why people celebrate.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
I doubt there is any culture in the world ready for mass same-sex parenting...Obviously you have positive experiences with this, thats good for u, but nevertheless a child can have many problems growing up in such a family. Now you'll say what about drunk straight fathers and so on...well gays can be drunkards too....
I dont have anything personal against gays as long as they keep their actios among themselves and dont involve children....
RedrumSLO 2 years ago
Well, America sure is! We've been having a gay baby boom here for the past 25 years! Most Americans know about the concept of two moms/two dads. I'm curious what you think the problems are if children grow up in same-sex families? Why should it matter as long as the children are loved and well cared for? Aside from me and my brothers, I know lots of other adults who grew up with gay or lesbian parents. We all have normal lives. There's nothing different about us.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
Look i must admit once again i have no rational argument against you....i simply think its wrong a family must consist of a mother a father and children. It was like that for the past 2 millions of human age and it should stay that way. And america is in many ways weird from my european point of view (no offence). I believe theres nothing wrong with you and i have also nothing against your two fathers.....
Call me stupid but thats my view....
RedrumSLO 2 years ago
I understand your view, but actually human families have changed a lot throughout history. For example, kids used to be raised mostly in extended family settings. Like in tribes in many parts of the world, kids would be raised by their mothers, grandmothers, aunts, their father's other wives, etc. It wasn't just one mom and one dad living in a house somewhere. I think our culture has changed enough where gay families are pretty well accepted. Not everywhere, but most places. At least in America.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
Would you rather have a straight couple, adopt a child, who's father committs sexual acts on the child,--child then tells the mom, mom doesn't do anything about it, stays with father--and he still continues sexually assulting the child? Or a straight couple who isn't financially stable? Or a gay couple who wouldn't do such a thing? Or a gay couple who could support the child? There are so many factors.
po3jax 2 years ago 2
Thats not the norm though. Adopting kids then molesting them or if their not financially stable.
valglass12 2 years ago
I think gays should be allowed to adopt (I mean I was adopted, by straight parents of course). But adoption, by two loving parents, regardless of gender, is still adoption, and a better option for a child, than staying in foster care, or orphanage till they turn 18.
po3jax 2 years ago
Going to sound weird here, but I have no problem with a gay man and gay woman raising a child together. I just believe that 2 of the same gender isn't the best for a kid growing up.
valglass12 2 years ago
I can see somewhat of your point. The child may feel confused of whats going on in this situation. But openly talking about it, as much as the child wants or needs could be an answer.
po3jax 2 years ago
I don't know. I wouldn't want to put a child in position where he could be ostracized or treated differently because of his parents are. I just couldn't do that to a kid even though if it would be what I wanted.
valglass12 2 years ago
That's no reason not to adopt, and it's no reason not to be born. Every kid who's part of a minority might be ostracized or treated differently at one point or another. For example, biracial kids. Jewish kids in the Bible Belt. Black kids adopted by white families. Sure, kids with gay parents are part of that category too, but it's not like our whole lives are spent dealing with prejudice. I grew up with two gay dads and I had a really happy childhood.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
I don't get the reasons behind some people when they adopt kids. I would never want to put my adopted kids in a position that would make them stand out or feel different. Growing up is tough enough as is. They don't need any unnecessar shit. Some of those examples you gave are not that big of a deal, couple are and I wouldn't put a kid in a deliberate place like that just because it was what I wanted. But all those examples you gave still involved a mother and a father, though. Still normal.
valglass12 2 years ago
The only reason growing up is tough as it is is due to society and how parents raise their kids, simply: discriminate towards others for being different. Just because Jonny has two daddys or mommys doesn't mean shit. If it were more acceptable in society, then no one would have to be bullied, or shamed about it.
po3jax 2 years ago
Yeah, the way some parents act is bad, but tough, don't take that out on your kid though. Because you and your friends may think your better than everyone else but that doesn't change anything. And it if I had to bet on it, it will be more acceptable in society when being gay isn't as much a lifestyle/attitude/way of life, but just a sexual preference and thats all. Nothing pansy or faggy for the men and hypermasculine about the women. Normal folk who like the same sex.
Still a big maybe.
valglass12 2 years ago
People adopt kids because they want to raise children. Why should it matter if they are gay or straight as long as they can provide a good home? There are all kinds of groups that are minorities. Unless you're white and straight and Christian, you're probably going to experience prejudice or intolerant remarks *sometime* in your life. It's no different if you're growing up in a gay family. If you're biracial or black or Jewish or adopted transracially, you're going to face a comment sometime.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
I know its what they "want."
While the intentions are good, no great, I'm not sure if the actually execution is great. Deliberatly depriving a child of a mother or a father, always wondering why people look at us funny, one thing to go through that shit with your partner/mate but I couldn't/wouldn't subject a kid to it; your not even giving him a say in the matter. And EVERYBODY gets intolerant remarks made to towards them. Sometime in their life.
valglass12 2 years ago
Val, I have two gay dads, so I know first hand what it's like. I would never wish not to have been born! And I would never wish for different parents to have raised me. My brothers and I had a loving home. It's no different from growing up in any other minority group, and really, most people *are* accepting about it. As far as people staring, that happens if you're disabled, or if you're a different race, or you wear special clothing, etc. Since my family is white, we don't really get stared at.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
P.S. No one gets to choose their family. No one gets to say, hey, I want a white, straight, Christian family so I don't ever face any prejudice. If you're Jewish or Muslim or biracial, or if your parents are deaf, or use a wheelchair, or are dwarfs, you'll probably hear a comment or two. I bet it's a lot harder to grow up in certain kinds of minority families. I don't even think gay families are at the top of the list. Like, if you're a Muslim family in the rural South, I bet that's harder.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
Your half right. Kids don't get to choose the family. But parents do, especially parents who have to adopt or need a sperm donor.
valglass12 2 years ago
So you're saying gay parents shouldn't choose to have families? If that's the case, then I know tons of people who wouldn't even be alive right now. Who are you to say that people don't deserve to be born?
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
No, your writing words I didn't write. It doesn't seem right to deliberately raise a child with two of the same gender, marginalize a mother or a father and think that the two are interchangable.
valglass12 2 years ago
Well, if you don't think it's right to deliberately raise a child with two parents of the same gender, then it does logically mean that a lot of people won't get born. I know people with lesbian moms who had them through donor insemination. If you're saying that their parents shouldn't have conceived them, then that means my friends wouldn't exist. And I just don't see how anyone else can make that decision for other people. It's not my job or your job to say who gets born.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
So now the child is a result of science rather than love. That would be a really enlightening tidbit know growing up.
Thats just wrong, I'm sorry.
valglass12 2 years ago
Val, just because a couple needs a helping hand to make a baby does not mean that the child isn't conceived in love. Think about it. Take two straight teens who have a one-night-stand in the back of a car and get pregnant. They're not in love, but they made a baby through having sex. Then take a lesbian couple who is very much in love and made a baby through donor insemination. Which baby is conceived in love? It's the second baby. Which baby is planned and wanted? It's the second baby.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
Needs a helping hand to make a baby?! Quite an understatement. And your little fairy tale about two horny kids in the back seat of a car getting pregnant is hardly an accurate picture on how and when kids are conceived.
So when the kid that the girls uh, "have," I guess....would love to be the fly on the wall when you explain to that kid where he came from when he found out in class that day where babies are suppose to come from. From love child to science child. How sweet and tender.
valglass12 2 years ago
we need to stop justifying, glorifying, glamor-izing the act of underage, immature/irresponsible sex.
Marriage isn't just about lifelong partnership, and we really screwed things up when we let that myth take hold.
Marriage is a traditional "license to procreate", a contract between baby's mama and baby's daddy. We need to stop pretending that babies can be made "without a contract" and that this somehow doesn't hurt the baby (look how many women end up discarded, with or without the baby!)
barrilixx 2 years ago
Val, it's terribly sad that you think the worth of a child and the worth of a family depend on how the children are conceived. And it's no "fairy tale" that there are plenty of unplanned teen pregnancies in America. It's much, much better for children to be planned and wanted. Gay and lesbian couples plan for their children and want their children and in my experience are very dedicated to their children. A loving family is not hard to explain. I was never confused about why I had two dads.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
I'm glad it went well for you then.
Its not the staring part, its getting treated differently by other kids or parents.
valglass12 2 years ago
Val, everyone gets treated differently at some point. Prejudice can happen to anyone, and it's no reason not to be born. It can happen if you're too skinny or too fat or too tall or too thin or the "wrong" color or the "wrong" religion or wear the "wrong" clothing. As I said, I grew up with two dads. My brothers and I went to school. We had friends. We went to birthday parties. We had sleepovers. We did all the normal things kids do. My childhood was really happy, and I'm glad I was born.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
As I said, I'm glad it worked out for YOU.
And the differences you mentioned before are ones that you as a child make the choice of how you want to look or act; the other two are a little outdated or your family is truly living in thw wrong area if its that bad. (Regarding color or religion.)
valglass12 2 years ago
But it's not just ME, Val. If you look at all the studies that have been done, you can see for yourself that children raised by gay and lesbian parents turn out just fine. I can't link here, but just google for "APA gay parents" or "22 year lesbian study" and they'll come right up. Regarding prejudice, sadly, racism and anti-Semitism and anti-Muslim attitudes still exist and are faced by millions of people. I wish it didn't exist either, but it does. And kids can be teased for that, too.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago
P.S. And my point really was that prejudice is no reason not be born or not to be raised in the family that you're in. Prejudice may be unpleasant, but it doesn't have to define you. As long as your parents teach you to be strong and confident and proud of who you are, then you'll be just fine. That goes for religion or race or sexual orientation or anything else. Being different is not bad. The world would be boring if we were all the same.
rainbowheartgirl 2 years ago