@AtheistToothFairy I would argue that your confused about the concept of 'wrath'. If the bible taught that I, in my natural state, am a good, decent person that really has no problems and has never hurt anyone, and that God is simply a mindless tyrant of wrath..then yes, you'd have a point in having a problem with worshiping 'that kind of god'. But what if I in my natural state have basically done the equivalent of theft and murder to God...is He wrong in being 'wrathful'?
@mikeisi:"But what if I in my natural state have basically done the equivalent of theft and murder to God...is He wrong in being 'wrathful'?"
I assumes that you believe in the xtian hell dogma.
There are only finite sins/crimes one can commit while we are alive, yet the NT asserts that if one doesn't believe in and accept jesus, that one will pay an INFINITE PRICE of torture [by a wrathful god], for this FINITE sin.
@AtheistToothFairy I respect your point; I don't believe that people in this life can fully see the depths of the mystery of hell in regards to punishment fitting the crime; the argument usually is; you steal cookies from the candy jar-you sit in the corner, you steal a car-you go to jail, you rape and murder-you go to prison for life, you spit in the faet of the infinite God of this universe...you perish infinity. I'm not saying I understand, but the mystery is not enough to abolish it. (see 2
@AtheistToothFairy (2)...i think the point the bible emphasis is not so much of "how many sins did one commit"...its WHO you sinned against. The emphasis is God's holiness; kinda like if a boy shoots his brother in the leg, he will be punished to one degree.......if he shoots the president of the united states in the leg....his punishment will be to a greater degree. (please...i hate comparing a president to God....its just an analogy)
1. What does this word HOLY actually mean, other than a reflection of god's inflated EGO?
2. Not believing that an invisible man in the sky actually exists, and being tortured for eternity because some of us are born to think RATIONALLY, is enough justification for YOU to accept that god has to torture some for this great 'sin' against him?
I'll never understand where you guys get your morals from @@
@AtheistToothFairy 1. The short answer, long task would be "Go read RC Sproul's book "the holiness of God"...or read Psalm 34. I would simply ask you to consider that if a parent asks their 6 year old to obey them in everything they do...does that really qualify the parent as having an 'ego'? Does his intelligence, and strength over the child mixed with his great love for him define him as being 'egotistic'?....(see b)
@AtheistToothFairy (b)...2 The point is not 'believing in an invisible man in the sky' (consider thats more your definition of God than scripture..) or eternal torture....the point is in believing there is 'meaning' behind existence. To say..."I believe there is a reason to existence that Science does not seem to offer". I just don't understand what that has to do with throwing 'logic' and 'reason' to the wind? How is it irrational to believe theres someone knocking if I hear a knock?
I'm sorry. This sounds too much like Sun Worship (not a mis-spell). The Bible is about the Kingdom of God. That is what the Messiah preached. The Meek will inherit the EARTH. What a concept. Yes, we need our Melkizedek, which Yeshua (Jesus) is, but the rest of this message is not on the mark, IMHO.
lol yeah they changed a lot of things in there website, i'm trying to readjust to the changes lol, and ok that would be great, really appreciate it, do you have any more videos you would recommend?
@unhindered7 click on my name 'mikeisi' and look at my youtube channel. Find the video I made called "the full extent". it's something I did a few years ago to a marry chapin carpenter song. let me know what u think...
Hey God Bless, this was an awesome video, it really touched me. would u happen to know the name of this message? i was trying to look for it on the website but i couldn't find it.
@unhindered7 He thanks a lot! Man, i'm looking at desiringgod right now and for the life of me I can't find the one this is from either. I know i got it off the site. They recently changed their website a lot and I might just being having trouble finding it. I think i have it downloaded at my office so when i get back there I'll check and get back with ya. Take care!
"Get right with a wrathful god"?
This is the kind of you WORSHIP and you think you have morals?
You're SICK!!
AtheistToothFairy 5 months ago
@AtheistToothFairy I would argue that your confused about the concept of 'wrath'. If the bible taught that I, in my natural state, am a good, decent person that really has no problems and has never hurt anyone, and that God is simply a mindless tyrant of wrath..then yes, you'd have a point in having a problem with worshiping 'that kind of god'. But what if I in my natural state have basically done the equivalent of theft and murder to God...is He wrong in being 'wrathful'?
mikeisi 5 months ago
@mikeisi:"But what if I in my natural state have basically done the equivalent of theft and murder to God...is He wrong in being 'wrathful'?"
I assumes that you believe in the xtian hell dogma.
There are only finite sins/crimes one can commit while we are alive, yet the NT asserts that if one doesn't believe in and accept jesus, that one will pay an INFINITE PRICE of torture [by a wrathful god], for this FINITE sin.
You still don't see your god as wrathful huh?
Stockholm Syndrome...READ IT
AtheistToothFairy 5 months ago
@AtheistToothFairy I respect your point; I don't believe that people in this life can fully see the depths of the mystery of hell in regards to punishment fitting the crime; the argument usually is; you steal cookies from the candy jar-you sit in the corner, you steal a car-you go to jail, you rape and murder-you go to prison for life, you spit in the faet of the infinite God of this universe...you perish infinity. I'm not saying I understand, but the mystery is not enough to abolish it. (see 2
mikeisi 5 months ago
@AtheistToothFairy (2)...i think the point the bible emphasis is not so much of "how many sins did one commit"...its WHO you sinned against. The emphasis is God's holiness; kinda like if a boy shoots his brother in the leg, he will be punished to one degree.......if he shoots the president of the united states in the leg....his punishment will be to a greater degree. (please...i hate comparing a president to God....its just an analogy)
mikeisi 5 months ago
@mikeisi:"The emphasis is God's holiness"
1. What does this word HOLY actually mean, other than a reflection of god's inflated EGO?
2. Not believing that an invisible man in the sky actually exists, and being tortured for eternity because some of us are born to think RATIONALLY, is enough justification for YOU to accept that god has to torture some for this great 'sin' against him?
I'll never understand where you guys get your morals from @@
AtheistToothFairy 5 months ago
@AtheistToothFairy 1. The short answer, long task would be "Go read RC Sproul's book "the holiness of God"...or read Psalm 34. I would simply ask you to consider that if a parent asks their 6 year old to obey them in everything they do...does that really qualify the parent as having an 'ego'? Does his intelligence, and strength over the child mixed with his great love for him define him as being 'egotistic'?....(see b)
mikeisi 5 months ago
@AtheistToothFairy (b)...2 The point is not 'believing in an invisible man in the sky' (consider thats more your definition of God than scripture..) or eternal torture....the point is in believing there is 'meaning' behind existence. To say..."I believe there is a reason to existence that Science does not seem to offer". I just don't understand what that has to do with throwing 'logic' and 'reason' to the wind? How is it irrational to believe theres someone knocking if I hear a knock?
mikeisi 5 months ago
@AtheistToothFairy ..sorry i'm going to bed. (PM) me if you want. I'd love to chat more. good night
mikeisi 5 months ago
I'm sorry. This sounds too much like Sun Worship (not a mis-spell). The Bible is about the Kingdom of God. That is what the Messiah preached. The Meek will inherit the EARTH. What a concept. Yes, we need our Melkizedek, which Yeshua (Jesus) is, but the rest of this message is not on the mark, IMHO.
424Julie 6 months ago
This guy is sick, disgustingly sick.
cmpresents 9 months ago
wow!
HennFlix 10 months ago
lol yeah they changed a lot of things in there website, i'm trying to readjust to the changes lol, and ok that would be great, really appreciate it, do you have any more videos you would recommend?
-Juan(new jersey)
unhindered7 1 year ago
@unhindered7 click on my name 'mikeisi' and look at my youtube channel. Find the video I made called "the full extent". it's something I did a few years ago to a marry chapin carpenter song. let me know what u think...
-michael
mikeisi 1 year ago
Hey God Bless, this was an awesome video, it really touched me. would u happen to know the name of this message? i was trying to look for it on the website but i couldn't find it.
well thanks for making this video
hopefully i hear from you.
take care
unhindered7 1 year ago
@unhindered7 He thanks a lot! Man, i'm looking at desiringgod right now and for the life of me I can't find the one this is from either. I know i got it off the site. They recently changed their website a lot and I might just being having trouble finding it. I think i have it downloaded at my office so when i get back there I'll check and get back with ya. Take care!
-michael (nashville, TN)
mikeisi 1 year ago