And even if Weavile and Mamoswine WERE able to switch in to Garchomp, that would mean that every team would need to use one of two specific Pokemon with one specific item and one specific move for the sole purpose of taking out a single Pokemon that your opponent might not even have. That is overcentralizing the metagame, and that is the very definition of Uber.
He has absolutely ZERO solid counters in OU. The only 2 Pokemon that can outspeed him and OHKO him are Weavile and Mamoswine, who must have Choice Band and must use Ice Shard, and neither of them can switch in without being almost OHKO'd themselves (Weavile is always OHKO'd, and chomp is usually paired with Sand Stream and Stealth Rock, so that Focus Sash won't be saving him). And you'd better pray that he's locked into Outrage, or else he'll just switch.
He is definitely Uber, not just for his attacking power, but for his stat distribution and unpredictability. He outspeeds all other dragons in OU, smashes through all but the best walls with Outrage, Earthquakes most steels, has Fire Blast for Skarmory, Bronzong, and Forretress, usually has Sand Stream support to make all of his opponent's moves as (un)reliable as Stone Edge, can abuse this with Substitute and Brightpowder, and meanwhile can instantly double his attack with Swords Dance.
@RobotsRock86 There is no way that a trained Dragonite can be killed by an ice beam (he can be VERY bulky if you trained his Defenses) the reason why most people hate dragons (in this case Garchomp) is because they are very cheap, their attack is ridiculous and only weak to ice and by the time you get the "ice pokemon" out you will most likely get hit by stealth rock (focus sash gone) and ice shards won't be enough to kill them (since most of them are scarfed and will attack first)
The issue with Garchomp is he's over glorified, without Yache Berry or any other berry and a single EV in any of the Denfeses, he is near OHKOed or 2HKOed by Ice or Dragon Type moves. He's possibly the strongest Dragon Type Physical wise along with a wide movepool and mediocre defense stats, but is crippled by his only weaknesses like most Pokemon. Garchomp belongs in OU at least.
Hehe. Some pretty sweet evil can be done with Garchomp.
With Sand Viel + Bright Powder on him, nobody can hit him for a few turns, and then you use substitute, then sword dance 2-3 times. Then use Outrage...Before you know it, 3-4 of your opponent's pokemon are out.
It IS really annoying, but then again so is Whimsicott, Breloom, Salamence, Togekiss and others.
hack no 4x weakness to ice....you could easily be outspeed by froslass and hit with an ice beam... and you dont even need a "garchomp counter" because ALL dragons have a weakness to ice (all that arne't uber or kingdra that is)
I think that Garchomp breaks the I think only 2 rules of being an uber. 1: He can be caught multiple times. 2:He does not have really high base stats. I just think Smogon is going against its own rules and being stupid but its just me, just me.....
I know this comment was over a month ago, but seriously? Tyranitar over Garchomp? With what, Ice Beam? If you ask me, Garchomp just plain KOes Tyranitar with STAB Earthquake coming off of high Attack.
well if you knew what you were talking about then you would know that Tyranitar's defence is slightly less than Garchomp's attack but Tyranitar's HP would let it tank Earthquake and that Tyranitar's Spec. Attack is HIGHER than Garchomp's Spec. Defence. And with super-effective a Tyranitar would tank Earthquake but Garchomp would NOT tank Ice Beam with 4x weakness to ice plus Tyranitar's Spec. Attack being higher than Garchomp's Spec. Defence. Tyranitar is more uber than it
Tyranitar Ice Beam vs undefensive Garchomp: 76% - 89.4%
Yeah...no.
Garchomp is still faster than Tyranitar and even if it fails to KO with Earthquake, it can do so in two turns. Also, considering Garchomp isn't holding Yache Berry and we take Tyranitar's many weaknesses into account, there is a reason Tyranitar stayed OU last generation.
no because of 4X weakness, and ice beam would do at LEAST half with only 2X, so 4X is a 1HKO easily. yache berry isnt taken into account. plus you can't use a tyranitar on an OU team against OU pokemon. it is EASILY one level higher than OU. and someone a year ago put it in words better than ours:
If You Make Garchomp Uber You Might As Well Make Scizor and Salamence Uber...
Hey, wth? That's not how you determine tiers. Parasect can absorb kyogre's water spout and live an ice beam, proceed to spore, and then seed bomb for the 2HKO. Is parasect uber? No.
Tyranitar is too slow to actually be considered too good in this metagame, he will die from the all common fighting moves, as well as bullet punches from scizor and friends. He is just to slow. And even if you make him faster with a scarf, that's just gonna make him less reliable being choiced.
smogon should not make the rules,i mean i do respect them,but they cant just say,ohhh chomp is too strong,no one is able to use it,ou battles,well smogon hopw much people think your wrong and eric how could you do this!!!!first chomp,now salmance!!!
@20marriland Banning mence was the right thing to do. Mence had extremely high wall breaking potential, and its power extends limitlessly on both spectrums. It is one of the few mixed sweepers who can rip apart teams quite effortlessly. There does not exist a definite Mence counter, unlike lucario or Infernape. Also, I see no problem with Smogon stating the rules, and I must say, they are very capable of doing it. Their uber tier is far more effective than Nintendo's banlist.
garchomp shouldnt be uber because salemence is already uber so do we really need 2 non legendery dragon pokemon in the uber pile? I think Salemence and Garchomp shouldnt be ubers and all legenderies should be uber (not rotom) because legends talk the fun out of batteling.
@TheFunnyGuy365 eh not really because it feels so good when you beat a guy that thinks he's a badass for using all legendaries... hacked legendaries...
ok why does ppl care if a pokemon is an uber or not? cant we just go back to playing pokemon as if it was just pokemon crystal or something. i mean you can still play gen4 games but cant we just play it like back in the day when wi-fi wasnt even thought or natures or effects or any of that.
@Slipsystem13 thats all this new school shit. im 14 and i still love all the old school stuff that i seen ppl always making up strategis to play online and stuff this why i never played a gen4 game all the thru because everytime i ask to just simply tell me some good pokemon in the gen 4 games they bring up all the online shit. thats freakin irritating
@datpoint People care because it limit the pokemon they want to use or get bashed incredibly for seeming like a total newb. I want to use Garchomp in OU, but NO, it's UBER because of SAND VEIL which does NOTHING really.
@datpoint They're banned in tournaments, and anybody online making online tournaments can ban them. Even further, you are considered a total noob/lesser player for using them. Granted, some people can use Minun + Plusle and take down legendaries, but I like Garchomp for it's looks. I shouldn't be hated for liking something. It DOES have weaknesses and is more predictable than some, unlike some uber legendaries, which are more powerful but more predictable. IMO.
@datpoint To be honest, I did answer. It does actually matter, unless you are playing against no one. It matters because you make a team of certain pokemon and you can't use them because so-so says so. You also are dragged down because you are using A pokemon. Although it may not matter, it does, because I promote fair play, and if you have a problem with that, you may not see the point in responding.
@kingLorshi well if u looked at when my comment was which was 4 onths ago. (even tho i believe it was longer then that) also when i used to play pokemon i jus watched random battles. then i saw this video and clicked it. after reading comments thats when i commented. i dnt take pokemon seriously like you or others. i jus play it like its pokemon yellow or the old pokemon
@datpoint FYI, I take it a little more seriously simply because it's my favourite game(s), and I play it with others, and I find it fun. There's no shame in NOT taking it seriously, and before you comment, yes, it's ridiculous that people go to these extremes. HOWEVER, to you it may not seem like I have a life, but at least I don't do the ranks and the base stats and the discoveries and such. I just like the technical side of it, because truthly, I'm nerdy, and Pokemon is also nerdy. Peace.
id say no because my definition of a uber is something that could be a legendary or an unevoled but chomp is just ou not uber if it were to be uber a salamence or dragonite would be uber as well
It's obviously uber, and the most recent comments were obviously made by noobs who have no idea what the hell they are talking about, and why chomp was even made uber to begin with.
@PinkYui16 Uber makes it sound as if it's got absolutely no weakness, though. Think about it. Is Garchomp fragile? High HP, yes, and above -average defence, but special attacks or STAB dragon physicals are enough to take it down briefly, even from a pokemon in OU. As far as Sand veil goes, I have never used it and mauled an entire team. I find it to be overrated, I mean WOBBEFET? Poison it and prevent it from fleeing, and never attack, and it's history.
Garchomp is NOT an uber, it is an evolution, and although extremely powerful and somewhat rare, it isnt a legendary, thus making my desicion, no, it is not an uber.
@Garchomplugia Granted that it IS very powerful, but that's because it's a Psuedo legendary. Every generation introduces one or more, including dragons, so that's obvious.
no i do not think garchomp is uber, simply because people should expect it coming and can deal with it, garchomp can't compete with other ubers so its basically a useless pokemon in that tier. if you ask me scizor is a more likely competator for the uber tier.
I don't think he's uber. He's only "uber" because some self-entitled idiots who believe that they are the "end-all-be-all" of competitive pokemon decided change the rules after being unpleasantly ass raped by Garchomps in battle.
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@DragonXxDark most of these pokemon cant take a boosted outrage/earthquake and yache berry really saves garchomp from these ice attacks. choice band ice shard mamo even failed...so i heard. anyway the fact that you think any ice is a counter or even the ones you listed shows that you really....dont know shit...sorry.
@DragonXxDark i never said garchomp was invincible. any pokemon can beat him just like any pokemon can beat legandaries. he is just very difficult to deal with much like the rest of teh ubers. so if slaking beat a garchomp once then thats it. its a done deal garchmop is overrated. i dont think so. dont think that garchomp can reck an entire team but usually at least 2 pkmn, which is good.
totally right...besides garchomp gets ripped to shreds in ubers...i know thats not a reason he should be in OU but really...no one poke is impossible to take down, you hear people complaining about scizor constantly and how it MUST destroy something every battle...yet with the right strategy its toast...literally, same goes for garchomp
@jesseragoobarsingh Ubers is a banlist, not a tier. I personally think that Salamence but not Garchomp is uber, but how Garchomp does in ubers has nothing to do with whether or not it should be there. Think of ubers as BL: Pokémon that are too strong in OU. BL is a banlist for the UU tier, and ubers is a banlist for OU.
@MagnetArea24 yea i guess it doesn't honestly matter how it performs in ubers, i'm just saying that its not this "LEGENDARY IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE DOWN OMG!!!1!11!one!" pokemon
@kingLorshi yeah but the point is that you have to constantly have this poke with you to counter chomps...thats what happened with the metagame before and thats why it was uber, it cause to many people to HAVE to have a check or counter in their team...doesn't meant its hard to kill...just hard for one to take it down. Pert takes it iirc it can take 2 outrages and 1HKO with icebeam. Only poke i remember reading can take chomp down easily
I don't know Mamoswine or Glaceon, but Walrein takes absolutely well two hits from a Garchomp who's holding a yache berry! However I wasn't talking about counters, I was only saying that in a one vs one without switching on, Walrein beats Garchomp.
I do not consider garchomp being uber. I mean it will get destroyed by lugia and groundon in uber. If it is uber, then all the pseudo-legendaries should be uber. No ones going to play garchomp in uber! Salamence, Dragonite, Tyranitar, znd Metagross, get ur asses in uber!
I luv my Garchomp and everything it knows (moveset: Dragon Rush, Draco Meteor,Flamethrower, Stone Edge) but sadly i do not consider it an Uber i mean if Garchomp is an Uber y not Salamence??? It is also a Very Strong Dragon Type pokemon and can fight almost as good if not better at times than Garchomp, so i c no point in Garchomp being Uber.
@YanmegaVibe Technician + stab + choice band + bullet punch + adamant = rip through stuff on Scizor. Salamence isn't much slower than Garchomp. It's just the HP, speed, and high atk which make Garchomp an uber as well as it's ability, Sand veil... HOWEVER, Sand veil barely does me ANY good, usually it gets hit anyway, and special defence is fail, and doesn't Salamence have high HP as well? Garchomp is a tad bit overrated IMO. It's not atk versatile either, only an attacker.
With Choice Specs Salamence's decrease in usage comes a rise in the surprise factor. Choice Specs boosted Draco Meteor is the most powerful single attack that Salamence can use in one turn without prior setup. And Garchomp would be OHKO'd by Draco Meteor "without" Haban berry and SpecsSalamence is really handy in any team, therefore I don't agree that garchomp is uber...
Flygon since it has the same weaknesses as Garchomp (4x Ice, 2x Dragon) and what about Kingdra it has some awesome stats and has only the dragon weakness you know how rare a dragon pokemon is to find in the game!
So no! Garchomp is not an uber as just proven by above info
Now people are saying Garchomp is uber BECAUSE it is 4x weak to ice? -_-"
Seriously though, Flygon has a lot less power than Garchomp. It got a good typing but the 100 base attack backing up those EQs and Outrages is pretty disappointing, especially sicne it learns no boosting moves. Kingdra's in the same boat, really. 95 base attack isn't good for hurting thing, and it still takes a good chunk of damage from any decently powered neutral attacks.
never said Kyrogre I said KINGDRA (as in the Dragon form evolution as Seadra) and I don't know about you but my Flygon has 300 atk, 265 def, 252 SA, 233 SD, and 346 Speed so mine doesn't suck maybe you just have a wrong behavior, and to regalstar I said he is OU, My first Words in that sentence is "IF Garchomp is uber! "IF" being a key word there!
Right.... but you were making flygon's uber-ness dependent on Garchomp's type... SINCE they shared the same type. So by your rules that would make any pokemon that shares the same type set as an legendary, an uber.
Because you said "IF" he was then your Flygon would be to because they both have the same weaknesses by their type....
I said flygon is weak because he doesn't have any base stats above 100... he's not really that bad, but he's just to rounded out for me.
Garchomp's uberness is not to be settled with a single argument that says "garchomp dies easily to ice moves". Garchomp's 108/95/85 defense is similar to Rayquaza's 105/90/90, and both takes *4 from ice and *2 from dragon. That doesn't make Rayquaza any less Uber than it is now.
my friend has a garchomp at lv 62? and its attack stat is like 300 or something like that. so yeah i would say that garcomp is uber even if you can use it in pal park battles.
how bout this..............GARCHOMP IS GOOD, WHO CARES............personally if pokemon wer to b uber, i think a milotic would b uber, any1 agree its always a bitch to take down? plus its rare too so yea
It should be OU Glaceon's ice beam OHKO Yache Chomp and with Choice Scarf Glacon outspeeds Garchomp. Glaceon is in the NU tier so if he/she can OHKO Garchomp then any UU and OU can KO Garchomp.
i love garchomp gut i see both side to the argument however i beleve that while garchomp is certantly formidable it does not deserve to be in the uber teir any more thsn sizor does because while they can be uber counters the both have x4 weaknnesses wich severly limits them. but i will respect smogons descision and no longer use my beloved garchomp kenpachi i shall replace him with a heracross to be named later. and i encourage you to do the same in the current climate.
i think he is uber because all the dragon type(exept rayquaza) speed is lower than garchomp alowing him to kill OHKO. changed my mind. i think its uber
Any pokemon that I can OHKO with the weakest one in my party while severely underlevelled is certainly no uber to me. Cynthia's Garchomp was cake, OHKO Ice Punch...
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>_> just kidding. Still don't think he's uber though, so I vote "No."
I think Garchomp should be OU if pokemon is holding a Choice Band or Choice Specs and uses an ice move on Garchomp it would still be OHKO even if it's holding a Yache Berry because Choice Band makes Atk go up 50% and Choice Specs makes SpA go up 50% and Yache Berry makes super effective ice move go down 50% so it's almost like the move didn't get weaker I've done this before and it worked.
If Weavile uses swords dance the first turn the uses ice punch it would OHKO Garchomp even if it's holding a Yache Berry I've tried that on many Garchomps on wifi and it worked.
And even if Weavile and Mamoswine WERE able to switch in to Garchomp, that would mean that every team would need to use one of two specific Pokemon with one specific item and one specific move for the sole purpose of taking out a single Pokemon that your opponent might not even have. That is overcentralizing the metagame, and that is the very definition of Uber.
PikminWarrior454 2 months ago
He has absolutely ZERO solid counters in OU. The only 2 Pokemon that can outspeed him and OHKO him are Weavile and Mamoswine, who must have Choice Band and must use Ice Shard, and neither of them can switch in without being almost OHKO'd themselves (Weavile is always OHKO'd, and chomp is usually paired with Sand Stream and Stealth Rock, so that Focus Sash won't be saving him). And you'd better pray that he's locked into Outrage, or else he'll just switch.
PikminWarrior454 2 months ago
He is definitely Uber, not just for his attacking power, but for his stat distribution and unpredictability. He outspeeds all other dragons in OU, smashes through all but the best walls with Outrage, Earthquakes most steels, has Fire Blast for Skarmory, Bronzong, and Forretress, usually has Sand Stream support to make all of his opponent's moves as (un)reliable as Stone Edge, can abuse this with Substitute and Brightpowder, and meanwhile can instantly double his attack with Swords Dance.
PikminWarrior454 2 months ago
Brick break=dead Tyranitar
Ice Beam: dead Dragonite and Salamence
All Pokemon have weaknesses (except Spiritomb and Sableye). GET OVER IT.
RobotsRock86 2 months ago
@RobotsRock86 There is no way that a trained Dragonite can be killed by an ice beam (he can be VERY bulky if you trained his Defenses) the reason why most people hate dragons (in this case Garchomp) is because they are very cheap, their attack is ridiculous and only weak to ice and by the time you get the "ice pokemon" out you will most likely get hit by stealth rock (focus sash gone) and ice shards won't be enough to kill them (since most of them are scarfed and will attack first)
TheSwanquill 1 week ago
ice beam = dead garchomp so i dont get why hes uber
MogenarHelios99722 5 months ago
@MogenarHelios99722 not really if someone EV trained its sp.defense
trickest1923 5 months ago
The issue with Garchomp is he's over glorified, without Yache Berry or any other berry and a single EV in any of the Denfeses, he is near OHKOed or 2HKOed by Ice or Dragon Type moves. He's possibly the strongest Dragon Type Physical wise along with a wide movepool and mediocre defense stats, but is crippled by his only weaknesses like most Pokemon. Garchomp belongs in OU at least.
Obscurum27 6 months ago
bright powder us illegal duh
kinggenejohnson 8 months ago
garchomp isnt uber if so why would nitendo let you use it online and in tournaments
kinggenejohnson 8 months ago
@kinggenejohnson
*facepalm*
clickplay42 8 months ago
@kinggenejohnson it is uber. check smogon. btw smogon make the tiers. not nintendo.
SHADOWBLAZIKEN1 8 months ago
Hehe. Some pretty sweet evil can be done with Garchomp.
With Sand Viel + Bright Powder on him, nobody can hit him for a few turns, and then you use substitute, then sword dance 2-3 times. Then use Outrage...Before you know it, 3-4 of your opponent's pokemon are out.
It IS really annoying, but then again so is Whimsicott, Breloom, Salamence, Togekiss and others.
Kijiriko 9 months ago
@Kijiriko *facepalm*
LolitaShiba 8 months ago
@LolitaShiba
Hey, when somebody on pokemon online challenges you with a team that consists of Kyogre, Darkrai, and others, you feel NO guilt.
Go ahead, pull this trick on the next person who tries a fast one.
Kijiriko 8 months ago
garchomp? definitely uber.
iluvsadsongx 9 months ago
hack no 4x weakness to ice....you could easily be outspeed by froslass and hit with an ice beam... and you dont even need a "garchomp counter" because ALL dragons have a weakness to ice (all that arne't uber or kingdra that is)
PKMNbatlleSchemes 10 months ago
@PKMNbatlleSchemes
Inb4 Yache berry.
BureauofBadBehavior 10 months ago
@BureauofBadBehavior too bad the berriy has one use and besides most chomp users have life orb or choice band
PKMNbatlleSchemes 10 months ago
I think that Garchomp breaks the I think only 2 rules of being an uber. 1: He can be caught multiple times. 2:He does not have really high base stats. I just think Smogon is going against its own rules and being stupid but its just me, just me.....
CrocodileTooth1 10 months ago
After 5th gen came out for now Garchomp is not Uber.
Piplup53 11 months ago
if garchomp is uber then so is tyranitar. tyranitar fucks over garchomp anyday of the week.
OrangeCapriSunApple2 1 year ago
@OrangeCapriSunApple2
I know this comment was over a month ago, but seriously? Tyranitar over Garchomp? With what, Ice Beam? If you ask me, Garchomp just plain KOes Tyranitar with STAB Earthquake coming off of high Attack.
BureauofBadBehavior 10 months ago
@BureauofBadBehavior
well if you knew what you were talking about then you would know that Tyranitar's defence is slightly less than Garchomp's attack but Tyranitar's HP would let it tank Earthquake and that Tyranitar's Spec. Attack is HIGHER than Garchomp's Spec. Defence. And with super-effective a Tyranitar would tank Earthquake but Garchomp would NOT tank Ice Beam with 4x weakness to ice plus Tyranitar's Spec. Attack being higher than Garchomp's Spec. Defence. Tyranitar is more uber than it
OrangeCapriSunApple2 10 months ago
@OrangeCapriSunApple2
Tyranitar Ice Beam vs undefensive Garchomp: 76% - 89.4%
Yeah...no.
Garchomp is still faster than Tyranitar and even if it fails to KO with Earthquake, it can do so in two turns. Also, considering Garchomp isn't holding Yache Berry and we take Tyranitar's many weaknesses into account, there is a reason Tyranitar stayed OU last generation.
BureauofBadBehavior 9 months ago
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@BureauofBadBehavior
no because of 4X weakness, and ice beam would do at LEAST half with only 2X, so 4X is a 1HKO easily. yache berry isnt taken into account. plus you can't use a tyranitar on an OU team against OU pokemon. it is EASILY one level higher than OU. and someone a year ago put it in words better than ours:
If You Make Garchomp Uber You Might As Well Make Scizor and Salamence Uber...
And Tyranitar.
OrangeCapriSunApple2 9 months ago
@OrangeCapriSunApple2
Hey, wth? That's not how you determine tiers. Parasect can absorb kyogre's water spout and live an ice beam, proceed to spore, and then seed bomb for the 2HKO. Is parasect uber? No.
Tyranitar is too slow to actually be considered too good in this metagame, he will die from the all common fighting moves, as well as bullet punches from scizor and friends. He is just to slow. And even if you make him faster with a scarf, that's just gonna make him less reliable being choiced.
LolitaShiba 8 months ago
it's uber
darkvulpix77 1 year ago
Each people have their own opinion but I think that garchomp is not an uber
lovingdrawer 1 year ago
GARCHOMP IS FUCKING UBER ALL OVER
LuigiFan6464 1 year ago
garchomp should be OU like Salamecne and who said Wobbuffet is an Uber Pokemon it can get taken out be a fucking lvl.80 weedle with choice scarf.
EffectsTheater 1 year ago
smogon should not make the rules,i mean i do respect them,but they cant just say,ohhh chomp is too strong,no one is able to use it,ou battles,well smogon hopw much people think your wrong and eric how could you do this!!!!first chomp,now salmance!!!
20marriland 1 year ago
@20marriland Banning mence was the right thing to do. Mence had extremely high wall breaking potential, and its power extends limitlessly on both spectrums. It is one of the few mixed sweepers who can rip apart teams quite effortlessly. There does not exist a definite Mence counter, unlike lucario or Infernape. Also, I see no problem with Smogon stating the rules, and I must say, they are very capable of doing it. Their uber tier is far more effective than Nintendo's banlist.
MagnetArea24 1 year ago
garchomp shouldnt be uber because salemence is already uber so do we really need 2 non legendery dragon pokemon in the uber pile? I think Salemence and Garchomp shouldnt be ubers and all legenderies should be uber (not rotom) because legends talk the fun out of batteling.
TheFunnyGuy365 1 year ago
@TheFunnyGuy365 im with you all legends should be ubers and garchomp and salamence shouldnt be
clonecommandojetski 1 year ago
@TheFunnyGuy365 eh not really because it feels so good when you beat a guy that thinks he's a badass for using all legendaries... hacked legendaries...
Poptartza 1 year ago
ok why does ppl care if a pokemon is an uber or not? cant we just go back to playing pokemon as if it was just pokemon crystal or something. i mean you can still play gen4 games but cant we just play it like back in the day when wi-fi wasnt even thought or natures or effects or any of that.
datpoint 1 year ago
@datpoint Because this even happened in Crystal SkarmBliss anyone
Slipsystem13 1 year ago
@Slipsystem13 thats all this new school shit. im 14 and i still love all the old school stuff that i seen ppl always making up strategis to play online and stuff this why i never played a gen4 game all the thru because everytime i ask to just simply tell me some good pokemon in the gen 4 games they bring up all the online shit. thats freakin irritating
datpoint 1 year ago
@datpoint People care because it limit the pokemon they want to use or get bashed incredibly for seeming like a total newb. I want to use Garchomp in OU, but NO, it's UBER because of SAND VEIL which does NOTHING really.
kingLorshi 1 year ago
@kingLorshi and who is stopping them from using the pokemon? does it really matter?
datpoint 1 year ago
@datpoint They're banned in tournaments, and anybody online making online tournaments can ban them. Even further, you are considered a total noob/lesser player for using them. Granted, some people can use Minun + Plusle and take down legendaries, but I like Garchomp for it's looks. I shouldn't be hated for liking something. It DOES have weaknesses and is more predictable than some, unlike some uber legendaries, which are more powerful but more predictable. IMO.
kingLorshi 1 year ago
@kingLorshi im gonna ask again. does it really matter?
datpoint 1 year ago
@datpoint To be honest, I did answer. It does actually matter, unless you are playing against no one. It matters because you make a team of certain pokemon and you can't use them because so-so says so. You also are dragged down because you are using A pokemon. Although it may not matter, it does, because I promote fair play, and if you have a problem with that, you may not see the point in responding.
kingLorshi 1 year ago
@kingLorshi it doesnt matter because its jus a game. if you think a video game monster actually matters if its legal or not legal then u have no life
datpoint 1 year ago
@datpoint Ok. Then I guess I have no life. Although if you think this, why are you here? Just curious.
kingLorshi 1 year ago
@kingLorshi well if u looked at when my comment was which was 4 onths ago. (even tho i believe it was longer then that) also when i used to play pokemon i jus watched random battles. then i saw this video and clicked it. after reading comments thats when i commented. i dnt take pokemon seriously like you or others. i jus play it like its pokemon yellow or the old pokemon
datpoint 1 year ago
@datpoint FYI, I take it a little more seriously simply because it's my favourite game(s), and I play it with others, and I find it fun. There's no shame in NOT taking it seriously, and before you comment, yes, it's ridiculous that people go to these extremes. HOWEVER, to you it may not seem like I have a life, but at least I don't do the ranks and the base stats and the discoveries and such. I just like the technical side of it, because truthly, I'm nerdy, and Pokemon is also nerdy. Peace.
kingLorshi 1 year ago
id say no because my definition of a uber is something that could be a legendary or an unevoled but chomp is just ou not uber if it were to be uber a salamence or dragonite would be uber as well
arabgamerboy2009 1 year ago
It's obviously uber, and the most recent comments were obviously made by noobs who have no idea what the hell they are talking about, and why chomp was even made uber to begin with.
PinkYui16 1 year ago
@PinkYui16 Uber makes it sound as if it's got absolutely no weakness, though. Think about it. Is Garchomp fragile? High HP, yes, and above -average defence, but special attacks or STAB dragon physicals are enough to take it down briefly, even from a pokemon in OU. As far as Sand veil goes, I have never used it and mauled an entire team. I find it to be overrated, I mean WOBBEFET? Poison it and prevent it from fleeing, and never attack, and it's history.
kingLorshi 1 year ago
Garchomp is NOT an uber, it is an evolution, and although extremely powerful and somewhat rare, it isnt a legendary, thus making my desicion, no, it is not an uber.
PuddingProdutions 1 year ago
my definition of a uber is a pokemon who is unable to evolve
only can be obtained through foreign events
and is basically a legend that cant be obtained normally
anybody can take the the time and go to wayward cave and catch and train a gible
so i think GARchomp is not uber . i think smogon just makes things uber that they cant beat with their strategies.
TheSuperOrochimaru 1 year ago
I think he;s Uber.. just my two cents.
EpicTurtle42 1 year ago
NO UBER, IT DOESNT EVEN LEARN DRAGON DANCE!
vruchtegebak 1 year ago
not uber
vayuturbo66 1 year ago
not uber :)
Landonnecro 1 year ago
nope, garchomp is NOT UBER
MarrilandFan2 1 year ago
nup, jsyt cuz it has high atk and spec atk don't mean it should be uber
HydroPump95 1 year ago 2
@HydroPump95 and speed, but i know what you mean.
allaboutvideogames 1 year ago
I only consider arceus uber! Garchomp is da man wit da master plan!!! Any1 wana battle my fc is 2021 1689 8117 name is POPS
p0ps239 1 year ago
You guys have dicks up your asses Garchomp is one of the best dragon types (non-legendary)
Garchomplugia 1 year ago
@Garchomplugia Granted that it IS very powerful, but that's because it's a Psuedo legendary. Every generation introduces one or more, including dragons, so that's obvious.
kingLorshi 1 year ago
not uber
MarrilandFan2 1 year ago
no i do not think garchomp is uber, simply because people should expect it coming and can deal with it, garchomp can't compete with other ubers so its basically a useless pokemon in that tier. if you ask me scizor is a more likely competator for the uber tier.
allaboutvideogames 1 year ago
@allaboutvideogames ummm, yes it actually can..
FedorMP96 1 year ago
@FedorMP96 not from what ive seen
allaboutvideogames 1 year ago
As far as I'm conserned Garchomb can go climb a wall of dicks.
But I think the official nintendo rule makes the most sense. Garchomb is allowed but without items.
But seriously unbanning Garchomb AND allowing it to use items is retarded and if you wheren't using a Garchomb you would see it.
There are about 500 pokemon so forcing half of the teams to use Garchomb and the other half to use a counter JUST for Garchomb is plain bullshit.
Boogeymangr 1 year ago
does any uber dies with a single ice shard? dont think so...
99xpert99 1 year ago
@99xpert99 Garchomp dies from 1 ice shard
Glaceon85 1 year ago
no its sats our the same as the other dragons
GarchompGamer 1 year ago
are puesdo legendaries uber?
Saruko9d9 1 year ago
I don't think he's uber. He's only "uber" because some self-entitled idiots who believe that they are the "end-all-be-all" of competitive pokemon decided change the rules after being unpleasantly ass raped by Garchomps in battle.
Michael326 1 year ago
@Michael326 exactly, that's why i don't follow tiers on Smogon and such... elitist pricks
HyperShadow89 1 year ago
and if Garchomp is uber, so also Salamence should be uber
DragonXxDark 1 year ago
@DragonXxDark and salamence has trouble with stealth rock and lower defensives...so it is worse though still very annoying
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DragonXxDark 1 year ago 5
there are a lot of pokèmon that pwns him easily, like Mamoswine, Walrein, Glaceon and others, so NO
DragonXxDark 1 year ago
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@DragonXxDark most of these pokemon cant take a boosted outrage/earthquake and yache berry really saves garchomp from these ice attacks. choice band ice shard mamo even failed...so i heard. anyway the fact that you think any ice is a counter or even the ones you listed shows that you really....dont know shit...sorry.
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DragonXxDark 1 year ago 2
@abc12322389 There is also Slaking that can beat him, he's not invincible this Garchomp, I think you're walking with this idea...
DragonXxDark 1 year ago 7
@DragonXxDark i never said garchomp was invincible. any pokemon can beat him just like any pokemon can beat legandaries. he is just very difficult to deal with much like the rest of teh ubers. so if slaking beat a garchomp once then thats it. its a done deal garchmop is overrated. i dont think so. dont think that garchomp can reck an entire team but usually at least 2 pkmn, which is good.
abc12322389 1 year ago
totally right...besides garchomp gets ripped to shreds in ubers...i know thats not a reason he should be in OU but really...no one poke is impossible to take down, you hear people complaining about scizor constantly and how it MUST destroy something every battle...yet with the right strategy its toast...literally, same goes for garchomp
jesseragoobarsingh 1 year ago
@jesseragoobarsingh Ubers is a banlist, not a tier. I personally think that Salamence but not Garchomp is uber, but how Garchomp does in ubers has nothing to do with whether or not it should be there. Think of ubers as BL: Pokémon that are too strong in OU. BL is a banlist for the UU tier, and ubers is a banlist for OU.
MagnetArea24 1 year ago
@MagnetArea24 yea i guess it doesn't honestly matter how it performs in ubers, i'm just saying that its not this "LEGENDARY IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE DOWN OMG!!!1!11!one!" pokemon
jesseragoobarsingh 1 year ago
@jesseragoobarsingh focus sash + fire + quick attack and it's dead. (Scizor.) Same goes for garchomp but with a special attack and ice.
kingLorshi 1 year ago
@kingLorshi yeah but the point is that you have to constantly have this poke with you to counter chomps...thats what happened with the metagame before and thats why it was uber, it cause to many people to HAVE to have a check or counter in their team...doesn't meant its hard to kill...just hard for one to take it down. Pert takes it iirc it can take 2 outrages and 1HKO with icebeam. Only poke i remember reading can take chomp down easily
jesseragoobarsingh 1 year ago
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@abc12322389 Eh???
I don't know Mamoswine or Glaceon, but Walrein takes absolutely well two hits from a Garchomp who's holding a yache berry! However I wasn't talking about counters, I was only saying that in a one vs one without switching on, Walrein beats Garchomp.
You can't say "no" to this.
DragonXxDark 1 year ago 6
@abc12322389 Yeah they can Glaceon, Mamoswine, and Walrein can OHKO Garchomp with yache berry and choice band mamo doesn't fail.
Glaceon85 1 year ago
Dragonite is more uber hes in between NOW SCIZOR IS A FUCKING NIGHTMARE
PedoBearMan 1 year ago
nope, Never has garchomp ever had me worried, Ive killed many :p
mike223tosis 1 year ago
garchomp shouldn't be uber
bobug816 2 years ago
Free Garchomp.
spiritofblaze 2 years ago
Smogon says he is, & if I disagree with them, I'll get burned for it.
(I actually do agree with them though.)
KyogreSymbol14 2 years ago
I do not consider garchomp being uber. I mean it will get destroyed by lugia and groundon in uber. If it is uber, then all the pseudo-legendaries should be uber. No ones going to play garchomp in uber! Salamence, Dragonite, Tyranitar, znd Metagross, get ur asses in uber!
demoloader12 2 years ago 2
I luv my Garchomp and everything it knows (moveset: Dragon Rush, Draco Meteor,Flamethrower, Stone Edge) but sadly i do not consider it an Uber i mean if Garchomp is an Uber y not Salamence??? It is also a Very Strong Dragon Type pokemon and can fight almost as good if not better at times than Garchomp, so i c no point in Garchomp being Uber.
UchihaChidori42 2 years ago
If You Make Garchomp Uber You Might As Well Make Scizor and Salamence Uber
YanmegaVibe 2 years ago 4
@YanmegaVibe salamence is uber, scizor is next :p
SuLLyZorZ 1 year ago
@YanmegaVibe Technician + stab + choice band + bullet punch + adamant = rip through stuff on Scizor. Salamence isn't much slower than Garchomp. It's just the HP, speed, and high atk which make Garchomp an uber as well as it's ability, Sand veil... HOWEVER, Sand veil barely does me ANY good, usually it gets hit anyway, and special defence is fail, and doesn't Salamence have high HP as well? Garchomp is a tad bit overrated IMO. It's not atk versatile either, only an attacker.
kingLorshi 1 year ago
@YanmegaVibe Salemence is already an uber and so is Metagross i think.
LukeIsNinja 1 year ago
@YanmegaVibe scizor is uber
sasuke9824 1 year ago
@YanmegaVibe And T-tar.
salamenceex 1 year ago
I hate Chomp, but I think that it is only difficult if it has that yache berry...My porygon-z has a choice scarf to kill it...yache berry...D:
TDICaitlincookegroup 2 years ago
he isnt uber at all hes yust as uber as a bidoff or a kingler(i am not saying hes bad but he isnt uber)
troldeparken115 2 years ago
no hes no at all
lightningbeast12 2 years ago
I dont think Garchomp is uber at all... like wtf? it gets owned buy anything that has ice... so just let the noobs over use it
thnkgod4rice 2 years ago
@thnkgod4rice as do all other non-legendary dragons.
Poptartza 1 year ago
garchomp is very nice pokemon but it can be koed by ice beam so easily ...
i think he isnt uber but hes hawt
and my fav moveset is this
adamant/jolly 252 evs atk/252 evs speed, 6 hp.
moveset:
fire fang
earhtquake
dragon claw
sword dance
or if u want a sweeper stone edge
pur3sclaws01 2 years ago
Garchomp is not fuckin' uber. People use it too much, like its unbeatable or some shit. Gyarados should be uber...
jwhite0398 2 years ago
gyrados shunt be uber
ambipom1123 2 years ago
@jwhite0398 Gyarados hit by thunderbolt = ohko
Poptartza 1 year ago
@Poptartza Same thing goes for Garchomp vs an ice beam to the face.
jwhite0398 1 year ago
It is not at all. It gets completely destroyed bye Ice type moves and honestly ice type moves are one of the many moves people like to use on wi-fi.
Showbizzman45 2 years ago
its not............
catsoldier09 2 years ago
With Choice Specs Salamence's decrease in usage comes a rise in the surprise factor. Choice Specs boosted Draco Meteor is the most powerful single attack that Salamence can use in one turn without prior setup. And Garchomp would be OHKO'd by Draco Meteor "without" Haban berry and SpecsSalamence is really handy in any team, therefore I don't agree that garchomp is uber...
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francgasgonia 2 years ago
If Garchomp is Uber then so is
Flygon since it has the same weaknesses as Garchomp (4x Ice, 2x Dragon) and what about Kingdra it has some awesome stats and has only the dragon weakness you know how rare a dragon pokemon is to find in the game!
So no! Garchomp is not an uber as just proven by above info
bearkid1 2 years ago
Now people are saying Garchomp is uber BECAUSE it is 4x weak to ice? -_-"
Seriously though, Flygon has a lot less power than Garchomp. It got a good typing but the 100 base attack backing up those EQs and Outrages is pretty disappointing, especially sicne it learns no boosting moves. Kingdra's in the same boat, really. 95 base attack isn't good for hurting thing, and it still takes a good chunk of damage from any decently powered neutral attacks.
regalstar 2 years ago
Then that means blastoise is uber to... since it has the same type as kyogre...
Thinking things through....did it happen there?^
Flygon's stats suck...
keysle 2 years ago
never said Kyrogre I said KINGDRA (as in the Dragon form evolution as Seadra) and I don't know about you but my Flygon has 300 atk, 265 def, 252 SA, 233 SD, and 346 Speed so mine doesn't suck maybe you just have a wrong behavior, and to regalstar I said he is OU, My first Words in that sentence is "IF Garchomp is uber! "IF" being a key word there!
bearkid1 2 years ago
Right.... but you were making flygon's uber-ness dependent on Garchomp's type... SINCE they shared the same type. So by your rules that would make any pokemon that shares the same type set as an legendary, an uber.
Because you said "IF" he was then your Flygon would be to because they both have the same weaknesses by their type....
I said flygon is weak because he doesn't have any base stats above 100... he's not really that bad, but he's just to rounded out for me.
keysle 2 years ago
Dang I say Garchomp is OU. Next thing you know, Metapod is going to Uber.
SnorlaxSushi 2 years ago
Garchomp's uberness is not to be settled with a single argument that says "garchomp dies easily to ice moves". Garchomp's 108/95/85 defense is similar to Rayquaza's 105/90/90, and both takes *4 from ice and *2 from dragon. That doesn't make Rayquaza any less Uber than it is now.
regalstar 2 years ago
Rayquaza is weak against Rock since it's part flying.
Kirby846 2 years ago
my friend has a garchomp at lv 62? and its attack stat is like 300 or something like that. so yeah i would say that garcomp is uber even if you can use it in pal park battles.
TheMarissaA 2 years ago
Garchomp shouldn't be Uber
GrandSlamTennisMan 2 years ago
how can people say that garchomp is uber?If he is dragonite and salamence are too.
if we continue in this way we only could use magicarps
MultiZipe 2 years ago
Garchomp IS NOT UBER!!!
TheDinoman1 2 years ago
i say garchomp is OU
screw smogon of whatever he/she says i dont care!
it can die very easily from ice type attacks
and it might take few hits from no stat increase dragon moves
hiclrokii 2 years ago
from my friend and i point of view garchomp is OU but it is uber when there is a sandstorm as it will increase it's evasion
deathspellbomb 2 years ago
yes he is a uber
supersonicshadowfan 2 years ago
how bout this..............GARCHOMP IS GOOD, WHO CARES............personally if pokemon wer to b uber, i think a milotic would b uber, any1 agree its always a bitch to take down? plus its rare too so yea
SuperSaiyanFart 2 years ago
It should be OU Glaceon's ice beam OHKO Yache Chomp and with Choice Scarf Glacon outspeeds Garchomp. Glaceon is in the NU tier so if he/she can OHKO Garchomp then any UU and OU can KO Garchomp.
Kirby495 2 years ago
glaceon cant swich in 2 chomp though
lilwaynejrw97 2 years ago
Yeah it can there was a video showing it Glaceon had half if it's hp left and it's choice scarf outspeeded it.
Celebi54 2 years ago
i like garchomp and no he is not a uber
mattsears1997 2 years ago
i love garchomp gut i see both side to the argument however i beleve that while garchomp is certantly formidable it does not deserve to be in the uber teir any more thsn sizor does because while they can be uber counters the both have x4 weaknnesses wich severly limits them. but i will respect smogons descision and no longer use my beloved garchomp kenpachi i shall replace him with a heracross to be named later. and i encourage you to do the same in the current climate.
otakumansexta 2 years ago
nope
direnzin 2 years ago
Here are my two solutions:
1) Make him Uber only when holding Yache Berry, similar to how Latais is Uber only when holding Soul Dew
2) Make Suspect and permanent tier/ladder
freakylocz14 2 years ago
garcomp should be OU i mean one ice move can kill him instantly!
caitcat777 2 years ago
no hes not... god its just a pokemon guys get over it
lightningbeast12 2 years ago
i think he is uber because all the dragon type(exept rayquaza) speed is lower than garchomp alowing him to kill OHKO. changed my mind. i think its uber
10toshikun10 2 years ago
everbody says garchomp is a uber so idk
h0b0randomness 2 years ago
cresselia with reflect
spidahandz 2 years ago
WAIT.
do the people say garchomp is not uber saying that garchomp is NOT strong?????? WTF?
RetardedAnime 2 years ago
i wish gatchomp is uber. he looks so cool and his attack is great!
mai lv 76 garchomp''s attack is 253!
but ice beats garchomp by 4X
RetardedAnime 2 years ago
u can counter with flame thrower =-)
barcelonagi 2 years ago
garchomp sucks so no
ghost1ish 2 years ago
Any pokemon that I can OHKO with the weakest one in my party while severely underlevelled is certainly no uber to me. Cynthia's Garchomp was cake, OHKO Ice Punch...
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>_> just kidding. Still don't think he's uber though, so I vote "No."
XIIIiscool 2 years ago
Milotic Also Pwns Garchomp.
10toshikun10 2 years ago
Garchomp is Not Uber Because Weavile Pwns Him Easy(Without Any Hold Item).
1st Move: Weavile Use Ice beam
2nd Move:(If garchomp Survive) Ice Fang/Brick break
3rd Move: Weavile 1-15 Hp left
4th Move: Bye bye Garchomp
10toshikun10 2 years ago
Brick Break xD? my Garchomp has Flare Blits so it is a OHKO vs a Weavile =P
xX5Rafael5Xx 2 years ago
garchomp cant learn flare blits
10toshikun10 2 years ago
I Meant Fire Fang
10toshikun10 2 years ago
Uh no garchomps pseudo-legendary
niceguy1600 2 years ago
Unfortunately Garchomp is uber.
I wish he wasn't because I think he is the coolest pokemon ever!
ScizorTheOverlord 2 years ago
weavile pwns garchomp!
garchomp is not uber!
97rogue 2 years ago
Chomp is uber
Garchomp isn't
salamence247 2 years ago
garchomp can't be stopped easely.
sub sd on sandstorm is a gg my friend.
dont try to say weavile or mamo is a counter. a counter is a pokemon that can switch in. try blovking chomp's atts with weavile or mamo.
JAWNH18 2 years ago
DD Salamence > Yache Berry Garch.
Garch is OU, definately. Idc what Smogshit says, people should have a mind of their own.
Mephiles800 2 years ago
Uber
Sporeadam 2 years ago
I think Garchomp should be OU if pokemon is holding a Choice Band or Choice Specs and uses an ice move on Garchomp it would still be OHKO even if it's holding a Yache Berry because Choice Band makes Atk go up 50% and Choice Specs makes SpA go up 50% and Yache Berry makes super effective ice move go down 50% so it's almost like the move didn't get weaker I've done this before and it worked.
Kirby785 2 years ago
If Weavile uses swords dance the first turn the uses ice punch it would OHKO Garchomp even if it's holding a Yache Berry I've tried that on many Garchomps on wifi and it worked.
Kirby785 2 years ago
Focus sash/band and Brick break/Foucus blast would KO weavile
ultimateminister 2 years ago
Weavile is faster so Garchomp wouldn't have a chance to KO Weavile.
Manaphy73 2 years ago
but the Focus Band/Sash would keep it out
ultimateminister 2 years ago
If Weavile had it to then it would KO Garchomp.
Manaphy73 2 years ago
Nope
Swords Dance- no damage
Brick Break- 50%ish damage
Ice punch - 1 hp left
Garchomp would KO it with another Brick Break
ultimateminister 2 years ago
Yeah
Ice Punch- 1hp left
Brick Break-1 hp left
Ice Punch again- Weavile would KO Garchomp.
Manaphy73 2 years ago
what happened to swords dance?
Swords Dance- N/A damage
Brick Break - 1Hp
Ice punch - 1Hp
Brick Break - Bye Bye