Believe it or NOT (Miracle of Islam & Quraan) 1.618 MUST SEE !!!!

[mattshark100]

Wrong, mecca lies at 39 45E in a standard map, the golden ratio points to 42 49 E on a standard map with the golden ratio, therefore mecca is a couple of hundred kms west of the 'perfect spot'. I noticed in the longitudinal reading you measured a/b=1.618 and b/c = 1.618, surely that would be a/b and c/a. Furthermore the a/b of mecca longitudinally = 1.609 and therefore shows mecca is not on the golden point on a standard map.

[mattshark100]

Since the english made the map and grenich is the arbitrary mean, i guess that means that God answers only to the English. Go figure.

[thuglord007]

untill you provide evidence that this videos is false then all your arguements are just meaningless hate. Talk to me when you have numbers

[786ss100]

Excellent video haters cant say anything just because their religions have no scientific theory's they should embrace Islam as the proof is there in front of them

[FEERRJO]

هذا الفلم مفبرك من قبل محرك ويكيبدا الصهيوني -- فية ارقام مغايرة للقران الكريم اي في السور والايات -- ارجو الذهاب الى --- الرابط التالي للكشف الحقيقة --- -= (كشف الفبركات في فيلم معجزة الكعبة و سر النسبة الذهبية) =

[khnmaaz1]

Subhanallah!!

[Dopemische]

Everything is in golden ratio.....

Doesnt have to do something with islam sorry its everywhere tthis fibonacci sequence.

There is a creator (call him God or whatever) but he sure doesnt want that we fight against each other because of different religions. Stop hating! Everthing is a part of the creator. You are a piece of the creator. Be tolerant and peacful this is what the creator realy wants fighting against each other means fighting the creator ("god")

[hannahAmonpanda09]

Let the haters hate! All we who believe in Allah, Allah is gonna reard us with Dzennet beacause we believe in he and his Miracles without seeing him to show our loyalitie!

[shafimpd]

it is true. pls belive it my brothers and sisters!!!!

[hhhadi1]

LOL Christians calling anyone pagan damn Idol worshipers LOL bow down to a man beat up by a bunch of Jews. Makes no sense. Jesus was a messnger

[TheNohaamin]

this is the trueth

now im moslem

[selious04]

The pagans walked around that chunk of crap before that false prophet Muhammad ever adopted it for his satanic religion of Islam, so I guess the 1.618 credit goes to the pagans.

"Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am YHWH your God"-Leviticus 26:1

A religion based on lies is false. You might Lie until you're blue in the face, but you Muslims are still pagans

[iLearnLanguages]

@selious04

you don't notice the "image" word in this verse? ie. statues (of living things such as humans or animals).. the kaaba isn't a statue.. how are muslims pagans if they do not worship idols or statues? stop trying to comprehend your verses without pondering over the meaning for even a second, it just adds to your ignorance.. Muslims bow down to GOD and only GOD..

[tuffty69]

Masha-Allah excellent video, haters can hate all they want, its part of their nature to hate and dispute..But if you haters/disbelievers speak the truth then go ahead haters gather together with the unseen nations and bring your proofs to challenge the Quran..

[mikepatakas1]

the truth is none of us know anything...for sure! We humans have only been here for a few seconds in the grand father clock of time. And who gives a shit anyway? One day the Sun will become a red giant and it will all be over for Earth...

[mariarts]

Non of this is true! You got to be radical dumb to believe this. One day God will reveal His Son Jesus (when all nations attack Israel and try to destroy Jerusalem and each knee will bow for His Grace

[mariarts]

divide the number of views by 1,618 and find the actual amount of thumbs down this video really deserves!

[snab12]

@mariarts dude or whoever you are, i dun really care, i am terribly sorry that you dun understand the word islam. it means peace i dun wanna argue with you but u are nothing but lost. Lost abt the world and everything. wat the cristians and jews say abt islam is a misconception.

[mariarts]

i still dont understand why they didnt flew a plane in there on 9/12

its not like we are all in peace now

[barthib]

Les religions nient les découvertes de la science (théorie de l'évolution, génétique) en s'accrochant au créationnisme. Pour autant, les croyants nous pondent ce genre de vidéos qui cherche à montrer que Dieu aurait tout calculé scientifiquement. Le comble c'est le très court passage sur la molécule d'ADN au début. Ils ont occulté qu'elle constitue le premier maillon du long processus de réactions chimiques qui expliquent la vie.

[barthib]

Ils regardent la science superficiellement pour y trouver des choses qui vont dans leur sens. Mais comment peuvent-ils chercher à démontrer leurs croyances en utilisant quelque chose qu'ils jugent faux ? C'est du grand n'importe quoi ou j'ai rien compris ? Cependant, le rapport de 1.618 est effectivement présent à plusieurs endroits de la nature, mais la biologie l'explique très bien.

[MrMohsin57]

@DutchNordic gando

[zainabhr]

@MrMohsin57

Ur are the mother fucking basted dare speak bad words.FINNAARI JAHANUM......i curse u ...u burn in hell for ever n ever...u ill get to know the truth very soon...

[zainabhr]

@zainabhr

sorry mohsin brother not for u its for the....@DutchNoric....u said gando well he is one

[jonormbarpub]

I think everybody here agrees that math is representative of reality and that our planet is freaking awesome. There are certain characteristics of it that are worth focusing on, like the mountains and oceans and all the amazing organisms. If simply enjoying the self evident world isn't enough, then it sucks to be you.

[salamlam1]

Mashallah subhanallah. thanks for upload video

[MrSporkable]

mathematics, not mathemathics

what is this referring to?

[SpeedManiac1976]

the narrator sounds kinda gay the way he talks LOL

nice visuals & all though

[Kbomba3]

Someone should verify this just for the heck of it and i guess ill be that someone >_>

[intushabitat]

Try any scientific method Available and prove me a liar.

Mekka- South Pole : the number I got is 12376 (never 12348)

Two poles: 20004 (never 19980)

the ratios are 1.621 and 1.616 (not the golden means)

Now getting a ratio means the following Equation a/b=r it never means dividing a number by the ratio. Then a=47 b=29 and a/b=47/29= 1.62 (again mecca in quran is not at the golded means of the verse

STOP LYING PEOPLE

[mrrexdeus]

@intushabitat

It's not a lie. It's called Daawa

[deveousdevil]

The Kaaba was a Pagan monument long before it was taken over by the Muslims, so i guess if this video is true, the Pagans win, ODIN AND THOR AKBAR!!

[yomalek]

@deveousdevil but it was adam and eve who planted the black stone at that locaion. but later on the sin after the grat flood hit the world, the black stone was taking with the flood. then the profet abraham found it and build the kabaa. so no, the pagans does not win, but the abrahamic religions (must of all islam)

[ahmedfsalem]

@deveousdevil no my friend, Kaaba was built by Ibraham who is a prophet in Islam. Then by time Ppl have altered the Ibrahamic religion to paganic. So Islam or Ibrahamic religion is the winner not pagans.

[bamboroz]

after all the miracles of Islam there are too much people who calls this BRAINWASH, i don't know when you'll wake up!!

[KaonNeutre]

@bamboroz Their is no miracles. It is why people still call this a brainwash. Because IT IS a brainwash.

The godlen number was used by egyptian. Do you believe in the same gods than egyptians?

The brainwash is that indoctrinated muslims have lost their capacity to be objective. It is quite easy to prove anything by cherry pic the argument you need for the proof. The hardest way is to consider every argument and try to fit them ALL. If one argument doesn't fit, there is something wrong.

[ahmedfsalem]

@KaonNeutre Although I am with you that Muslims do not need these clips to show the magnificent of their religion. The true miracle is that The messenger of God, Mohammed (the illiterate), has revolutionized human mankind on earth.

[KaonNeutre]

@ahmedfsalem "Mohammed (the illiterate) has revolutionized human mankind" ...of the arabic world...

as Jesus, the illiterate, as Buddha the illiterate, and so on... Muhammad had revelation after his 30 years old. He had traveled a lot in his life. That give him the equivalent of a today PhD.

The real miracle, is that muslims still believe in those lies while there is so much information available here around to educate them on the reality. That is amazing!

[KaonNeutre]

@bamboroz For exemple, did you verify those numbers? The size of the earth, position of mecca are all in the internet. Did you verify if it is accurate or you just "believe" this video because it talk in favor of islam?

There is a statue of the virgin Mary that cry. Many "believe" it is a miracle. Do you?

watch?v=j6N6e8tSIco

There is hindu statues that drink milk in India. Many "believe" it is a miracle. Do you?

watch?v=xfRoJxv3nbY

[bamboroz]

@KaonNeutre you r right , i did not verify that numbers & just belive in that, may be i did a mistake, but did you verify them? or you decide "not to belive" any thing that positivly talks about Islam?? in fact i'm always checking every information which i recive about Islam befor beliving or resend it, except this time , i just belived, & i need to check it up! but even if this information wrong or "brainwash" that can't abate all other miracles in Islam or Qur'an!

[bamboroz]

@KaonNeutre there are too much sientific informations that were opened or discovered in the last 100 years which were writtin in Qur'an 1400 years ago, i think you have to read more about Islam , in the same time, i'll check this information about the golden ratio. hope you all the best.

[aneis5211993]

I cant believe all this hate on a video that's actually trying to help you, People If you don't like the video, Hit the thumbs down button and go watch another video, Don't hate because I promise you, you will regret it

[burgerjvr]

To proof that anything can be “proven” in relation to your 47 letters /1.618 gives you Mecca

Here is a sentence from a Harry Potter book

This was not the biggest challenge Harry had to face so far

59 letters /1.618 is 36.4

Wow that is exactly where the word Harry start

He must be from out of this world.

Wake up and see the brainwash in this video

[burgerjvr]

This is BRAINWASH

What you show here as so called proof I can proof for ANY city/town that is the same distance from the North/South Pole as Mecca

For your so called Western Elongation measurements:

You can take any point irrespective how far from the North/South pole, draw a parallel line to the equator and measure the distance of the line. By applying the correct proportional split and do the calculation you get 1.618

The same goes for the line at an angle in the clip

Mecca NOT unique

[Jvette100]

They say allah is sweet.....................that­'s why he tells them to kill everyone

[sunnyjan1]

@Jvette100 Dude Don't Judge before u get ur facts straight.... Just b cuz few Idiots terrorize people you can't just Generalize that every Muslim is up to kill others... So Please ....

[RyDDer2]

@MrClin

just say the worst thing in your life

[KevinmaX111]

@MrClin

May God forgive u

[tharip]

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0271:

“…the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) Observed:

Verily islam started as something Strange and it would again Revert (to its old position) of being Strange just as it started,and it would RECEDE between the two mosques just as the SERPENT Crawls back into its Hole. ”

[heartofdarkness410]

do you think all those humans chose islam cause islam encourage terrorism or violence or unfairness or hatred or grudge then you are narrow minded person, do you want american dream to become true, do you want rightness, righteous, fairness,comfort, Justice, Equity, all the beautiful meanings in life, just listen to me once and i am sure 100% that you'll be thankful, gratitude, relieve, happiness as you never did before beside what are you going to lose, you won't regret it iam sure

[heartofdarkness410]

what am i doingwhat am i doing in this world, is there a purpose, of this life, the right and wrong,the evil and good, heaven and hill, our salvation,all the answers and the right answers logically you will find it in islam cause 1.6 billion found it, don't let the media lead you see for yourself read for yourself, find answers yourself, cause its a very important quistions and the answers are more important for you and for me and for every one who deserve to find the truth

[heartofdarkness410]

in fact we as muslims have zero Doubts, absolutely zero doubts about great god allah the creator of all, and that islam is the true reglegion for all mankind, and not just me, its 1.6 billion people think the same as i do and the number is growing bigger every day and you know that, in europe, canada , america ,ausralia the fastest growing relegion beween other relegions, have you asked yourself why, have you asked yourself what if they were right, and what about me

[heartofdarkness410]

this video reveals just one, only one miracle of a long list of miracles of quran and islam no one until now can count its number , for if u think you can make a comment on such issue says that that you disagree with such a miracle, well, its an easy thing to do, then go for it and don't hesitate cause what you are going to do is not influance any one but you, and will not Disclaim what's correct about it, but what if it is correct, what if allah is the true creator of this universe

[Ms77Rouge]

@me1951able: learn to CONTROL your words and behave.Have you even read the Quran to make a statement like this?? tell me one place where Muhammed claims divinity in the Quran? i being a Muslim will convert to christanity right there and then. i challenge you. Find me a single scientific error in the Quran also.

[alezzkha]

Allahuakbar....may all people over the world wacth this video n Allah will open their mind that there's no other God Should be thrust except Allah. n the last....may God give shekoo lot of bless n long live for doing more a good jobs

[OneKnightAffair]

@alezzkha You are all correct. Now I have become Muslim after all your brothers good convincing. I agree 120% with the video. In fact the video itself is placed at the golden number ration of the universe. Allhu akbar. Allahu is also at the golden number ratio of the universe. I will buy a Koran and read it in Arabic. Because Arabic is 1.638 times larger than every other language known to mankind. There is no God but halla and no prophet but Christ and Muhamad.

[me1951able]

Moslems ARBITRARILY choose a ratio which CONveniently fits with the location of Mecca. They forget that Mohammed claimed a Divine Reveleation when he was ALONE in the desert (without any witnesses). Futhermore, the Koran was not written until much later. This, and more than the space allows, testifies to the FRAUD that Islam is. Anyone who believes the ranting of one SUB-ANIMAL SAVAGE alone in the desert, needs his HEAD examined by a PROCTOLOGIST!

[musty6969]

"golden-cut"

[telekillers]

Taco.

[Welloiledcog]

We all find ways to justify what we might perceive to be true. Doesn't mean that it will be wrong or right. But to only assume only one or say, the latter for instance, can only bring with it, nothing more than arrogance.

[sisqo786]

interesting video but abit too complicating for me and the guy speaking in vid so difficult to understand keep up the work but its no good if you cant explain such a complicated matter in easy words for everyone to understand..thanks anyway

just 1 point to be made Allah sends signs down to keep reminding us of what he has already told and we muslims know & to you non muslims obviously u wont understand so u shudnt criticise islam our way of life overpowers yours so u get angry & start insulting

[SHEAMUSSUCKS400]

Guys islam teache's us not to say anything about someone's religion in Islam we are free to do anything we want either you believe in God or not don't comment bad abut any ones comment against this video Islam teaches us to accept other's oppinions and you should not say anything bad. And besides Jessus is one of the few prophet's who got a book revealed upon them he is described as a great prophet in islam which brings us back to the point about freedom it's your choice bad or good

[OneKnightAffair]

Beauty does not need scientific proof. The very fact you are trying to prove beauty using math, proves that it is the ugliest thing that needs defending and lying. LOL!!!!!!!!!

[OneKnightAffair]

The idiot is claiming that most beautiful things which are self evident beauties somehow follow this mathematical rule. So, now he says that wherever this rules applies it has beauty. What a twisted and flawed argument. If beauty can be identified by itself then you do not need any math to claim its beauty. This video is for and by low IQ dumb people. I sympathize with the idiot who posted this and the cheerleaders of it.

[OneKnightAffair]

Beauty cannot be that complicated. You can see that people who follow Islam are scourge of the world. The world will be a better place if this religion wasn't there. The poster of the video proved this point by arguing about "superiority" of Islam. That itself proves idiocy of this religion. Beauty doesn't need proof. If Mecca was beautiful, you did not need this video and convincing. Beauty is a proof in itself. This muslim is the dumbest.

[alezzkha]

@OneKnightAffair

MAy God open your heart, i thing u the only one person here that very dumb that u can recive this saintific proof of the Islam religion< if u give a change to u'r own heart to feel it more deeply abuout what u have seen on this video...maybe u'll not say some of arguments...n maybe u may learn a litlle more about Islam.....u know nothing about us......dumb!

[aliatutube0818]

@alezzkha those who r arogant will pay the price of saying that islam is a fraud

[aliatutube0818]

@alezzkha those who r arogant will pay the price of saying that islam is a fraud

[JimWAllan]

NOT.

[lFlash4]

um, sorry to break your video here but everywhere in the world is your so called golden ratio point... the only thing that changes is the reference... and the poles have no significance what so ever. we as humans gave them significance, so they mean nothing just like your mecca.

[Flaredimran]

@lFlash4 um, do research before u babble crap outta ur mouth, without the north and south pole's there wouldnt be no co-ordinates and thus the invention of aeroplanes would be useless and solving world matter would be impossible if u know mecca is a city just like any london, new york, paris or beijing ... so SHUT UR IGNORANT LITTLE MOUTH

[lFlash4]

@Flaredimran u've said nothing to help your point...

[scamde]

Ridiculous and cheesy

[makarios7541]

bullshit

[mangal126]

@makarios7541 you say its bullshit? when u die u see if its bullshit or not

[Oranjeklant]

SCIENTIFIC evidence ??? Yes, ISLAMIC science (lol).

[mohabri]

Now i will start to mention the real science in the book. Verse 51:47 Universe is expanding Allah said this 1400 years before science caught up. The planets stars and everything were made from gas 41:11. The big bang 21:30 the death of stars 77:7-8 circulation of blood and food 16:6. We know about the mountains no need to bring that up. We know about Embryology which coupled with Hadith is very clear. The world is round 55:17 and there is so much more who else but Allah is correct at all times

[mohabri]

Dont read missionary websites and think you know everything about the Koran the Missionary websites are depending on you just quoting them and not thinking about them. I would first look up the information at least. Furthermore i would look for metaphors context and whether its an analogy or not. Otherwise you are just playing into the poison on those websites and following the uneducated barely literate masses of the earth who dont want to think.

[mohabri]

@mohabri Mentioned the sun and the moon and how they are not in orbits. Do you pay attention in science classes at all. I am gonna leave the moon alone because i know you are not stupid enough to be talking about that. You are simply taking advantage of the fact that the Koran does not mention what the sun orbits around but it is in an orbit on its own course around the center of the galaxy the Koran does not state that the sun orbits around the earth Infact it says the earth is in orbit too.

[r1my]

Don't make yourself like an ashole all you that are saying bad words for this Miracle of Islam damnit. If you are a good person and belive in god than you need to trust this. For myself this is more than true. Why you are not trying this in your home and than write for this, I'm more than sure that you will change your words. This is an Miracle of God and you need to believe on it. Is only one God and that's ALLAH

[Allahhell]

LIE

كذب

[danganbeg]

There is NO such number as 'one point six hundred and eighteen ', he obviously knows NOTHING about mathamathics

[AekAmir]

oh reallycan u say that to the scientists

[TheTrueAhmadi]

@danganbeg google it.

[ral1983]

google it u dummy

[AzizB37]

There is one little fault at 5:04. B/C has to be C/B :)...

[MALEKALHOB]

الفلم هذا غير طبيعي يا جماعه

الطواف مصوره الكلب بالعكس

وواضع صلبان فوق الحرم في المشجد الأخير

والمغالطات الكثير

شكله ماهو طبيعي

في نفسي منه شيء

[ameralwafi]

ماافي إلاا مخك انت العكس

انت اللي شكلك ممو طبيعي

يا اما علماني او شيعي

[Simoescort]

inta illi mou tabii,

ya akhi ladayka mouchkila, ma fahamt chey, wetgoul innou lfilm li mou tabiai, bibasat dimarak asghar min innou yestawaib!!!

[issyk]

why are you guys afraid for if you dont belive it stop searching and watching videos like this

if you wanna have proof dont read the letters of stupids who never wanna see the truth they are blind and afraid to see the reallity this is real if you dont belive it search it for your self and find your own truth let the blinds live in there own world

search it for your self

[manufactured123]

Believe it or NOT...

I'll take NOT

[AlRasuwl]

This "science" is yet another mathematical con. I have checked the "facts" involved and can confirm the following

1: The Longitude is very close to being correct.

2: The Latitude in the video is a concoction.

3: The true point DOES lie in Makkah, but it is 172 miles away from the Kaaba,

4: The true point is up a mountain in the middle of nowhere.

IF God had sent us a hidden message with co-ordinates there would be something there, not 172 miles away, it would be accurate to a minute fraction

[AlRasuwl]

If I get a chance I will create a reply video and post it, if this user will allow me to add a video response that is (many people don't like to be proven wrong).

We'll see.

[erocsane]

Good effort.....go on with your research and you'll fall in love with it. You must have plenty of time to do this research or may be you are very interested in Islam, stop being in denial..:)

[mohabri]

Spoken like a champ the strength of Islam is not just the scientific miracles or the beauty of the recited Koran but the fact that it is a religion of reason that adapts with science with out needing to change the actual word. Find and reason it all together for your self.

[sirjambo]

What scientific miracles are u talking about?

You say islam ~~adapts with science with out needing to change the actual word~~

OK I say that the quran implys that the world is flat.

I ask you my 2nd question;

Do you know more about islam than your profit?

[mohabri]

Actually Allah says the world is round he says he stretched out the land and made it wide and flat for us to live on but in Surat Rahman he says he is the "lord of two easts and two wests" this could only mean a round planet. Allah mentions the human embryonic cycle, barriers between fresh and salt water to prevent the two mixing, the fish in the deepest parts of the ocean who create light and even the formation of the sun and planets from smoke which is actually gas and many more.

[sirjambo]

Is your knowledge of the quran and islam greater than you profit's knowledge?

[mohabri]

No the prophets knowledge is much better but hadith states that the Prophet (pbuh) said the earth was shaped like the egg of an ostritch.

[errai14]

@mohabri "And God hath spread the earth for you like a carpet,

That ye may walk therein along spacious paths." (Sura 71:18-19) (This means flat earth) "Have we not made the Earth a couch? And the mountains its tent-stakes?" (Sura 78:6-7) this could only mean the mountains are holding the land from moving) Do they not see the birds suspended in mid-air up in the sky? Nothing holds them there except Allah. There are certainly signs in that for people who believe. (Surat an-Nahl, 79) (what no air?

[mohabri]

@errai14 i dont wanna get long winded if you are capable to understand this you will but for your first verse yes the earth is quite spacious thank God. Verse number two yes the mountains do hold the surface of the earth together due to how deep they go under the earth. your third verse sure there is air but it takes a plane for us to fly in the air. But a bird was created by Allah to be able to fly as such only Allah did put him in the air. Peace be upon you.

[errai14]

@mohabri Good job completely skipping the whole spreading the earth like a carpet thing. You must have flunked science, take a look at the crust of the earth, mountains don't go deep in the earth they are a part of the earth, as are plains, and hills. Last it clearly says Allah holds the birds. In reality air does, but your stupid God did not know that. Are you too scared to die you believe in fantasy and lie about it.

[mohabri]

@errai14 I did not skip anything the first line is commenting on how the earth is very spread out wide so we can live in fact its so wide that though being round it looks flat. Mountains are many times larger underground then they are on top its is not just crust but bent up crust. For the last one Air is completely irrelevant how does the bird stay in the air is the what Allah is talking about. Wind can keep a bird up but not a man why Allah made the bird with wings you have no eyes sir peace

[errai14]

@mohabri All your answers are simply reinterpretation of obvious text into what you want it ignoring their meaning. If Allah was true you would not need such actions. The bird one says clearly NOTHING HOLDS THEM THERE EXCEPT ALLAH, THERE ARE CERTAINLY SIGNS IN THAT FOR PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE" The sign is that birds can fly with nothing holding them. Not that God made them. Their existence is not the miracle, but that nothing holds them. stop lying for this evil fictional God of yours. embrace truth

[mohabri]

@errai14 Not at all its just understanding you are the one who does not understand what he reads i nor understands Allah i cannot help you. But since you want to dwell on the bird. Allah created the bird so that he had wings, he mad the bird have a light frame and light feathers so that the bird is easily held up then he designed the bird in such a way that the wings would catch the wind and the bird would remain in flight. Thus Allah is the only one who keeps the birds in flight.

[errai14]

@mohabri You will not see what is evident, your faith makes you blindbut Your your morals still yours? do you think God is so petty to send people in hell for not believing a prophet with no proof? How does a perfect God who see's future get angry? Why does he hate unbelievers? Has he failed his own creation? Why does God demand death to those to leave Islam? it not believe in freedom? There were many prophets similar story as Mohamed, why not believe them? Why Koran full of hate and threats?

[mohabri]

@errai14 My morals are that of Allah the best morals man can ever have. What do i care if Billions of disbelievers are going to hell because they are adulterers and drunks. This Life is a test some will pass most will fail this only means that i better make sure i don't fail Fact is Allah has sent every messenger with proofs but people still disbelieve you could see the red sea split infront of you and still disbelieve like Pharoh. The people who are going to hell chose it and deserve it. cont

[mohabri]

@errai14 So Allah sends his proofs he sends his messages and people choose to disbelieve it then they go about acting like animals killing women and children bombing houses bull dozing neighborhoods since they dont believe in Allah they get swept up by evil easily the life of evil making their hearts turn evil and this closes them from Allah. I dont know why i am here i dont know why humanity is here Allah never told me this but Allah does not fail and Allah is most just so ill do what i got to.

[mohabri]

@errai14 peace

[errai14]

@mohabri The evil if religion comes out. Saying all disbelievers are drunkard, adulterer, murderer, etc. is like me saying all muslims are terrorists, killers, ignorant, etc. I'm atheist, and know many atheists who don't do those things, and there are many Muslims who do. Especially the killing part. which country is more ethical Sweeden and Denmark or Iran and Pakistan?

[mohabri]

@errai14 But that is like saying lets compare the best of western civilization to the worst of eastern civilization why would any man who is talking about morals do that there are many democratic nation Muslim countries like Algeria, or Tunisia. Furthermore western people particularly the Dane's show a form of ignorance and racism which does not exist in the Arabic world whose people are quite moral. Anyways peace

[errai14]

@mohabri @mohabri, TUNISIA IS NOT A DEMOCRATIC NATION, I know this because I am from Tunisia. No freedom of speech, rigged elections, etc. However Tunisia is better off that Pakistan despite it being a Muslim nation, most don't take the stupid book literally. They have women rights. My point is atheistic Danes and Swedes have more morals that Islamic people. Few Danes are racist, but it is laughable saying Arabs are less racist, I know the Arab world. Blacks inferior, Jews thieves, heard it alot

[mohabri]

@errai14 See I know the western world. I am from there and Tunisia is as democratic as America fucking who dares to say the presidential elections here are and sure there are bigots from amongst all people Arabs for sure are amongst them i should have said Islam though because the people who follow the religion as a whole right now are not a great example of the religion Islam does not leave room for racism we are all the sons of Adam.

[errai14]

@mohabri Also, there are no proofs of Islam, anymore there are of Mormonism, Christianity, Scientology, etc. you see them as proofs because you want to believe,same way Christians see Virginmary in toast. The proof of that is 90% of Muslims were born into it. AS of 80-90% of nonmuslims were not born to it. If your book is true who are your parests is the biggest reason some people will go to heaven and others to Hell.

[mohabri]

@errai14 The proof of Islam is in the holy book it is a the miracle blemish free and perfect. Furthermore your statement is not true. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world so obviously people join it. Just because you did not look for the truths or deny them does not mean anything in the long run.

[errai14]

@mohabri Read this article and see the untruth you speak Of the, 22,500 new Muslims only 865,000 are from converts. 3 times less than Christianity. The reason though is Christians spend more money on missionaries. so 96% of Muslims were born to it. ITCAN NOT BE A TEST WHEN A TEST IS NOT FAIR, IT IS NOT CHOICE IT IS PROBABILITY.and this Just God make's belief as most important thing not work or good

[errai14]

@errai14 to find article go to yahoo and type clams to be fastest growing religion and it will be the first pick

[mohabri]

@errai14 See pointless numbers which mean very little yes alot of Muslims are born every year there are billions of us. Furthermore the point is quite null Christianities numbers are usually quite out of sync Muslim numbers are as well i mean what sect are all those Christians coming and going from furthermore Muslims cannot be blamed for having Muslims children it is nothing more that our prayers for good children being heard the true stigma is that its a desert religion not that you cant join.

[errai14]

@mohabri Don't like the statistics so ignore it? 95% of people did not choose Islam, but born into it. 95% of non-Muslims not born into it. Example. A man born in Ireland to a Christian family, has no incentive to convert. It will hurt his relations with family, his society, possibly his wife, and job. A man born in Saudi Arabia has plenty of of incentive to believe, people respect believers more there, good relations with his society. This is not a fair test, therefore you Allah is not just.

[mohabri]

@errai14 Its not about like or not liking the statistics. Islam keeps more converts and gets enough to maintain healthy growth despite losing a few people every so often. Furthermore the statistics are just bad. you cannot get an accurate number for such things on this planet. People lie about their religions due to getting killed for apostacy. Fear of persecution etc.

[errai14]

@mohabri As ignorant your original statements were, they show hope for you. They show you have more morals than you think you do. You had to make non believers into evil men to feel comfort in them going to Hell. You don't feel comfortable in seeing an agnostic/atheist Dr., who done no major sins helping muslims after an earthquake for no salary going to Hell. Or do You?

[mohabri]

@errai14 Sure i do because he chose not to believe as such as decided to go to hell thus i further more who am i to say who Allah should or should not throw to hell i am a nothing a slave of his Allah is the one who judges and he is the best most fair judge.

[errai14]

@mohabri, That is the problem with Religion and why it's evil. You don't think for yourself, but leave it to a really ignorant book full of mistakes and problems, and it's really boring and hard to read in some places and full of cruel things. You have made it a virtue in not thinking. What will it take you to disbelieve? Nothing? Your faith is dangerous it makes good people like you into bigots who hate others because they were born in another religion. we don't need that crap on earth.

[mohabri]

@errai14 I would be inclined to agree with that if it were not for the fact that my faith is strengthened out of my own reasoning and thought processes. First i read then i think about what i read then i go read more to see what others think about what i read and before i know it im thinking about all sorts of other things. Religion is not ment to block ones thought process but to guide their though process away from evil. cont

[mohabri]

@mohabri See if one is left to purely his own devices how is he going to know what is good or bad wrong or right. Lets be honest for the most part what is wrong is only wrong because we are told it is usually due to the knowledge that the act is doing harm. But some acts do harm in ways that people will consent to or harm to ones own self actually there is so many ways to do harm that people stop seeing the harm in them and that is why Allah sent us prophets to guide us.

[errai14]

@mohabri, Humans were slowly progressing before the existence of Mohamed. And once Europeans started ignoring the Pope we got renaissance, industrial revolution, and the modern democratic state all created without Mohamed's teachings. Was not Mohamed's own adopted son killed by Muslims? was not his grandchildren then murdered by Muslims? The 5 pillars of Islam with the exception of the Zakat is more to do with worshiping God then doing good things to this world. This world did fine without Islam

[mohabri]

@errai14 Fortunately while the church was destroying Science in Europe The Muslims were making the discoveries and progressing very fast. So when the crusades happened seeing the Muslims scientific advancement allowed for the renaissance and industrial revolution not so much ignoring the pope but learning from Muslims. Further more Islam is about avoiding evil (sin), The five pillars are about building your faith to avoid that evil.

[errai14]

@mohabri and while you're at it what does this mean? Glory to Allah, Who created in pairs all things that the earth

produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which

they have no knowledge.

[mohabri]

@errai14 First of when you quote Quran include chapter and verse number i did you homework this time it is Chapter Ya-Sin verse 36. in the verses before Allah is reminding mankind of how it is he who produces all the life that we eat and enjoy as sustenance. Then we get to the line in question Which starts to "Glory to Allah" pretty evident. "Who created in pairs all thing that the earth produces." at face value this is about how all life especially at the time the book was revealed in cont.

[mohabri]

@mohabri pairs that is a male and a female. "As well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge." This line is quite obvious it is including humans to have been created in a pair. Then Allah speaks of things that he created which we have no knowledge of. Which at the time was a lot still is a lot but could include lots of things like microscopic life new insects man does not of did not know of because we never will know everything.

[errai14]

@mohabri I did not want you to look up what other Muslims said. But I got what I wanted. You said "ALL LIFE especially at the time of the book was revealed in pairs THAT IS MALE AND FEMALE. However the truth is ALL LIFE WAS NOT NOT MALE AND FEMALE. MEET THE SNAIL AND SLUG. These animals are not male or female, they are called asexual or hermaphrodite. plus thousands of plants insects, few amphibians and lizards Check mate Koran wrong Allah slipped that on that one

[errai14]

@mohabri Do not see this as a competition, I was once a believer in these fairy tales some years ago. Fortunately it did not ruin my life, however the lack of morals in Islam and Christianity on how people will burn for not believing eventually made me think enough to see the other mistakes as well,do not quickly respond to try to refute me, going back to KORAN IS PERFECT AND A MIRACLE,ALLAH IS JUST, I thought plenty of Allah in the past and gave all his arguments a go. They were too weak.

[errai14]

@mohabri Before responding I want you to think aboutsecular history, think about secular Science, think about God,not Allah, but of what you think God will act like.Think about it, screw all powerful and intelligent, let's just take you, have a computer that is so powerful it holds an Earth simulation, with people who can think like us. Now you created these Sims and built there world. However you don't show yourself and their world looks to be caused 100% naturally. CONT.

[errai14]

@errai14 First would you even care they don't worship you? If you send a prophet who is one of many other prophets with no real evidence would you HATE people who didn't believe him? Would you punish people for using their brains, the brains that you gave them and worked in the way you meant for it to work? You probably won't take them too seriously, you won't really hate any of them,would you really just pick one man and talk to his ear?

[mohabri]

@errai14 WEll when they worship idols they are getting abused and used. When they are being false they are getting worst.

[errai14]

@mohabri You ignored the Koran mistake of male/female, then you ignore the fact that 99% of S. Arabia is Muslim, while 99% of Peru is Christian which strongly shows mostpeople tend not to convert and your Allah test is not fair. You ignore the fact that early Muslim history is full of violence and murder, mostly due to stupid Koran didn't tell Muslims how to pick leaders. you ignore koran's call to murder infedels and think that's good and then end the story with a quote of the end of time.

[mohabri]

@errai14 I didnt ignore any mistakes there was no mistake in that line microscopic creatures would have fallen into the category of things the people didnt know about. Just because the people didnt know about it does not mean we could not discover them.

[mohabri]

@mohabri Furthermore there has also been discoveries that single celled organisms like Bacteria act like male and females they have even been. Look it up an article from Time Magazine the simple single celled organisms normally reproduce Asexually or basically through division but more complex strains do emerge by them mating with each other starting the life process.

[mohabri]

@errai14 This is pointless to be honest no one will ever agree with each other. i am done with this 22:5 You sometimes see the earth dry and barren: but no sooner do We send down rain upon it than it begins to stir and swell, putting forth every kind of radiant bloom. That is because Allah is Truth: He gives life to the dead and has power over all things.

32:13 Had it been Our Will, We would have guided every soul. But My word shall be fulfilled: "I will fill the pit of Hell with jinn and men."