5-03 In Search Of... Lee Harvey Oswald (Part 1 of 2)

[mario9dragon]

I love how every single comment is a paragraph or two of a debate. I'm just here for help on a project.

[LoneNutter1]

At 7:13 Nimoy identifies Bob Groden an a "Photo Optics Specialist"

Groden dropped out of high school, never attended a class on identifying altered photos, never belonged to any associations attached to IDing phony photos, never taught a class on how to ID a phony photo. He was exposed during the OJ trial when he said the photos of OJ wearing the "ugly ass" shoes were faked. His lack of credentials became part of the record of the trial. He's a self-proclaimed expert on spotting fake photos.

[seldenkid]

Hey They have been "foolin" us all along the earth is really flat . Movie premiers January 10th. I will make million off you clowns

[TheNWOtruth]

and not just that.. RFK was the first one to suspect a conspiracy, he confronted the c.i.a LBJ even jimmy hoffa.. he always said, the only way i get to know the truth is to be elected into the white house.. as you all know he didnt make into the white house, coincidence? or just look at the stories of kenny o'donnell and dave powers, they've always believed the shots came from the grassy knoll (they were in JFKs followup car), like most witnesses did too."they" really did a great job hiding this

[TheNWOtruth]

USSR didnt kill kennedy.. but you know what is so funny.. the warren report concluded oswald was the (lone nut) assassin, when app 10/13 years later the HSCA (house select commitee on assassinations) concluded the murder was a conspiracy, this commitee was just as official as the warren comission.. but nobody accepts their conclusion.. funny how disinformation works..

[LoneNutter1]

@TheNWOtruth The HSCA never said there was a conspiracy.You're making statements that are not true.

[TheNWOtruth]

@LoneNutter1 yes they did, looking at your nickname (lonenutter) i can see your not open to any info outside of the box, actually robert blakey said it (of HSCA) EXCERPT of mary ferrell . org : "In the JFK case, the HSCA found that "Kennedy was probably killed as a result of a conspiracy," based in large part on acoustics evidence which captured the sound impulses of gunfire from more than one location in Dealey Plaza"

[LoneNutter1]

@TheNWOtruth If YOU did some research on the Internet you would have discovered the acoustic evidence was wrong. The scientists testifying at the HSCA hearings said the acoustic "fingerprints" would show the location of where the shots were recorded from. They said it came from the "stuck" microphone from H.B.McClain's motorcycle. They further stated McClain would have to be at the intersection of Houston and Elm for there to be an acoustic match. When you examine the film taken in Dealey Plaza

[TheNWOtruth]

@LoneNutter1 who says i didnt do any research? im not talking about scientists here! i was talking about blakey (just read dude) i do believe what for instance dave powers an kenny o'donnel (followup car) had to say in the privacy of their homes, they both heard the shots coming from behind the fence, so did practically all the witnesses testify, i take that over any comission anytime! ive always been told that the truth lies in the comissions reports, and it is, but it is not the official story

[LoneNutter1]

@TheNWOtruth You CT'ers treat the assassination like it's a buffet; picking and choosing selected bits and pieces of information to validate your pre-concieved outcome of the assassination.

This explains why you and your kind have dozens of different plotters, hiring different gunmen, firing different weapons from different locations with different bullets creating different wounds and covering it up with different agencies. You've rendered yourselves irrelevant.

[LoneNutter1]

@TheNWOtruth of the motorcade and follow the movements of McClain you'll see he wasn't where the scientists said he should be. He had just turned off Main St. on to Houston. Therefore, the acoustic evidence is false.

The national Academy of Sciences examined the recording on the dictabelt and they said there were no shots were recorded.

I never said governments are pure, or they're never wrong and they never lie. But you're of the mindset that governments ALWAYS lie and they are ALWAYS wrong.

[TheNWOtruth]

@LoneNutter1 and saying the word always does not impress me dude, ppl who want to find out the truth read past lines like those "take my word for it, i'm real" thats why ppl are sheeple.. im done here, like i said before.. you can say whatever you want, disproove whatever you want and write whatever you want to discredit me, but ppl who read this message of mine will know im done and that i said it.. so have fun trolling..

[LoneNutter1]

@TheNWOtruth Continue to hold on desperately to one of the dozens of different conspiracy theories that don't have a stitch of evidence to support themselves. Go right ahead.

After once being a "theorist" many years ago I decided to challenge my beliefs about the assassination and to my dismay discovered we were lied to (and still are) by the CT'ers who sell books, tapes, DVD, videos and all sorts of other distorted baloney in their pursuit to make a buck.

[TheNWOtruth]

@LoneNutter1 pff like i said i dont want to waiste time on ppl who have a narrow mind.. plus you didnt even react to what i had to say.. and you being a theorist, i never said i was, and you saying u "were" one does not impress me the slightest nor will it convince me, i believe in things that i myself can proove.. i just read FACTS, what i had to say about the HSCA was FACT

[foreverhulkamania]

i find it hard to believe the USSR would have Kennedy killed. It almost certainly would have meant war, and it would have been most probably nuclear.

[TheDeadhead76]

I belive oswald acted alone.some ppl found it hard to belive a loser like oswald could kill JFK. Today consripacy theories is money making industry,truth has been buried by dollar signs and misinfomation.

[animefareast]

The motorcycle recording has been proven to be bullshit.

[animefareast]

Grassy Knoll conspiracies have been proven absolute bull shit!

[animefareast]

what bull shit. Oswald did kill JFK, that's been proven

[RascalCoyote]

@animefareast By who? proof please.

[topknotchsteez98]

Oswald was a Marine. And he lived up to the Corps's creed, "From general to private, every Marine is a rifleman first." It is drilled in every Marine recruit in boot camp. Four of the most notorious gunmen of the 1960s were ex-Marines--Oswald, Byron de la Beckwith (1921-2001), who killed Medgar Evers in June,1963 Texas Tower sniper Charles J. Whitman in 1966 and John Patler, a disgruntled American Nazi Party member who killed its founder-chief George Lincoln Rockwell August 25,1967.

[topknotchsteez98]

Oswald was a Marine. And he lived up to the Corps's creed, "From general to private, every Marine is a rifleman first." It is drilled in every Marine recruit in boot camp. Four of the most notorious gunmen of the 1960s were ex-Marines--Oswald, Byron de la Beckwith (1921-2001), who killed Medgar Evers in June,1962, Texas Tower sniper Charles J. Whitman in 1966 and John Patler, a disgruntled American Nazi Party who killed its founder-chief George Lincoln Rockwell August 25,1967.

[39tommyboy]

i believe the radio on the motorcycle was hung in the on position the same reason why the phones went out in washington for a hour after the shooting. to keep from getting the wrong story radioed in. and to keep some policeman from talking on the radio about other men and shots he heard. the cia or who ever did a fascinating job in this killing to cover their grounds. even as far as the autopsy photos. thats why there was no autopsy done in dallas. think about it. godbless.

[kagoshimadavid]

LHO was a chronic masturbator

[GusF]

Apparently, Leonard Nimoy was a taxi driver in New York in 1956 when he was a struggling young actor and, one night, he picked up JFK who was there for the Democratic Convention and was nearly named the vice-presidential nominee.

[Kousaburo]

@GusF That must've been during an away mission.

[hang99]

Man, reading these posts in the new youtube system is like watching Rosanne Barr and Louie Anderson trying to shower in a standard sized stand-up shower. It does not make sense. The old format, you could track where and who posted what and when.

Anyone think MJ-12 had something to do with this?

[Obelisk2290]

it was LHO and it was an easy shot

[ugalawdog98]

@Obelisk2290 How odd then that no one has ever been able to duplicate the feat.

[TheNWOtruth]

@ugalawdog98 someone did, even faster than the official story tells us..

[grumpytosnowwhite]

Jesus. stop screaming. You how much of an idiot you look like?

All that needs to happen is another criminal trial, to clear up, once and for all, all evidence, conflicting and nonconflicting, and establish the facts. As for the evidence that may or may not have been covered up, we can look at it from a non-kooky viewpoint and get some rationality in. THEN, whether or not the case actually provides a satisfactory solution, at least we'll have a source less faulty than the Warren Commission.

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

you have the hsca which was less faulty then the wc yet still got hoodwinked by the cia but did state there was a conspiracy although based on the debated accoustic evidence. but they wanted to prosecute the cia liason for perjury. Also Johanides was the cia dude who determined what info the cia would give to hsca and only later did the hsca investigator find ouT Johanides was prob part of the conspiracy. vincenzia cia agent testified he saw atlee phillips top cia with Oswald he was latershot

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

no what constitutes an idiot is some fool saying there were seperate bullets to jfk;s back, throat and connally wounds, that there were 2 bullets found at parkland. it's the stuff of kooks and wackos nad is part of the problme not the solution. some peeps deserve to be screamed at they held a mock oswald trial and oswald was convicted though i think he was part of conspircay

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

it was positively cia plot probably by david morales. the cia is all over this loads of links leads they covered everything up, hid nosenko from wc of course fbi was part of cover up too. nixon said it was the biggest hoax ever. morales, roselli, giancana, ferrie, demorenschild all killed or commit "suicide" before having to tesity, confessions by marcello, morales, hunt and traficante - it's apparent it was cia/mafia plot by bay of pigs cia agents and cubans no doubt

[TheNWOtruth]

@sdDCCXZCXCCX there are documents which show conally was hit by 2 bullets, not one.. jack ruby worked for nixon.. your right but it's not just the bay of pigs what got JFK killed..

[LoneNutter1]

@TheNWOtruth No such evidence exists. Unless it was manufactured by the conspiracy theorists.

[TheNWOtruth]

@LoneNutter1 your right.. governments can do no wrong, their saints.. sweet as butterflies.. no cover-ups exists, they never ever lie, we should all trust them.. *yawn..

im really really glad im not so narrow minded

anyways, i just prooved i was right and you were not.. i really do not have time for this..

just look it up on the internet, but you probably wont cause u want to stick to the official story, which is fine by me, if you want to be stupid.. be stupid

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

oswalds mother said he was cia agent, fbi paymaster said he was on fbi payroll plus another fbi agent confirmed that. when intereviewed the dallas cops said oswald was unlike any other suspect they had ever interviewed. he was cool, calm smart as a whip had the answers before the qeustions were even asked. they all said they are cpnvinced he had training in interrogation he was AWESOME under questioning very very intelligent, brilliant, demorenschild was cia & that was his buddy.

[TheNWOtruth]

@sdDCCXZCXCCX LHO was seen talking to david atlee phillips too.. and how convenient De Mohrenschildt died at the time the HSCA report came out..

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

demorenchild knew the owner of tsbd. ruth paine said that there was no contrivance in oswald getting the job at tsbd but she siad that they CALLED A FRIEND WHO got oswald the job - I bet the friend was demorenschild

[DoubleR666]

... I don't know how many times we tried, but we couldn't duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did. Now if I can't do it, how in the world could a guy who was a non-qual on the rifle range (and later only qualified 'marksman') do it?

[DoubleR666]

Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, one of the most decorated combat snipers in United States military history, echoed Robert's sentiments.

Hathcock earned 93 confirmed kills in Vietnam and went on to become the senior instructor for the U.S. Marine Corps Sniper Instruction School at Quantico, Virginia. He said, "Let me tell you what we did at Quantico...We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything.

[DoubleR666]

Finally, I would have to deal with two factors at the same time: the curve of the street, and the high-to-low angle formula - a law of physics Oswald would not have known."

[DoubleR666]

Three problems arose that would influence my shots.

First, the target was moving away at a drastic angle to the right from the window, meaning that I would have to position my body to compete with the wall and a set of vertical water pipes...This would be extremely difficult for a right-handed shooter.

Second, I would have to be ready to fire exactly when the target emerged past some tree branches that obscured the kill zone.

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

that is not true - I have stood in that window and even took pictures out of the window IT WAS AN EASY SHOT of only 90 yards third shot. A GRANDMA COULD make that shot and it was nearly straight on shot there was NO DRASTIC ANGLE TO THE SHOT. the first shot WAS taken after the car was no longer obscured by the tree.

[DoubleR666]

Former U.S. Marine Corps Vietnam sniper Craig Roberts said: "I could not have done it," after he saw the view from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. He went on to say, "I analyzed the scene as a sniper...I looked at the engagement angles. It was entirely wrong...

[DoubleR666]

... furthermore the firing pin was so rusty that the FBI was worried that it could break whilst performing testshots with the rifle.

Throwing the rifle at JFK would have had more effect than firing it.

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

how is it that he was seen in the window, witnesses in the window below HEARD the shots and 3 shell casings fall to the floor and paint fell in their hair as the blding shook from the shots? how is it fragments in car matched oswalds rifle ballistically? duh? so there is MORE EVIDENCE PROVING YOU WRONG

[DoubleR666]

So why did the barrel have surface rust after Oswald had fired THREE rounds ?!

If the barrel of the rifle was rusted or had rust in it, then not even ONE round had been fired from it.

Meaning that it had not been fired. Meaning that it wasn't the murder weapon.

Not only was the inside of the barrel rusted, but also the bolt was rusted so badly that they had to oil it first to get it to move ( 3 H 447 ) -- and that was ONLY A FEW HOURS after the assassination.

[DoubleR666]

The condition of the rifle that the Dallas Police sent to the FBI on the night of the assassination was such that it was not capable of performing the assassination of President Kennedy and the wounding of Governor Connally.

FBI firearms expert Robert Frazier testified that he examined Oswalds rifle the morning after the assassination. The rifle was "roughened" from corrosion ( rust ), then commented that "if a barrel is allowed to rust, ONE ROUND will remove that rust."( 3 H 395 )

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

tippit stopped oswald as he was IDENTIFIED by several people who gave DISCRIPTIONS to the police and that is why tippits pulled him over. ok got it? OSWALD WAS SEEN in the window CLEARLY to the point witness on the street gave ACCURTE discription

[DoubleR666]

A State Trooper picked up a bullet that fell off Connallys pant leg when the limo arrived at Parkland, he gave it to the head nurse at Parkland, she tried to give it to DA Wade that afternoon when Wade was visiting his buddy Connally. Wade told her to give it to the police.

Your insults prove to the world just exactly how empty your ammoclip is.

The truth of this case will not come from attacking personalities. Itcomes from looking at the evidence and the known facts.

[DoubleR666]

How could Connally turn with an exit wound in his chest the size of a baseball ? The obvious answer is he couldn't have turned, he was shot AFTER the turn.

The CE399 bullet the WC presented had 6 lands and grooves. The CE399 bullet the HSCA presented had 4 lands and grooves. One or the other is not CE399.

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

for the same reason his hand didn't drop the hat - top drs testified that even though bone and tendons are damaged it would not make him drop the hat.

[DoubleR666]

Two witnesses to the bullet found at Parkland stated that the bullet designated as 399 was not the bullet they saw - rather that it was a sharp nosed bullet, obviously the bullet currently in evidence as 399 was worked into the chain of evidence later to establish a ballistics tie to Oswald's Carcano.

Three witnesses (S.M. Holland, Nelly Connally, John Connally) tell you that John Connally was shot in the back after he turned to look over his right shoulder.

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

What is your SOURCE on the SECOND bullet supposedly found at parkland? that is your contention right? there was a second bullet found at parkland? WHAT KOOK, WACKO, MOONBAT loony book idiot author wrote that? IT'S TOTAL RUBBISH no more true then the idiots who say the limo driver shot him.l there are LOADS of wacko things written dumbass DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE TRUE you have NO EVIDENCE.

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

You must be some nutjob in a lunatic asylym if you think one bullet hit connally and 3 hit jfk NOBODY has EVER said that there is NO EVIDENCE NOT ONE SHRED OF ACTUAL EVIDENCE to support that. STATE YOUR SOURCE AND YOUR EVIDENCE STUPID ohterwiese we don'[t allow CONJECTURE

[DoubleR666]

The Warren Commission had Humes examine CE 399 they asked, Could that missile have made the wound on Governor Connallys right wrist?

Humes testified, I think that is most unlikely.

Finck took the same position. After having him examine the bullet, the Warren Commission asked, Could it have been the bullet which inflicted the wound on Governor Connallys right wrist?

Finck replied, No; for the reason that there are too many fragments described in that wrist.

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

it is hard to believe that the bullet was not more damaged but then you have to explain something else EQUALLY as perplexing - WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BULLET THAT HIT CONNALLY? IT WOULD HAVE TO STILL BE IN HIS THIGH right dope? duh?

[voidforpurpose]

therefor is shot by a pro-communist assassin?

Right.

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

they are secret as he was on cia and fbi payroll that is more proof of guilt then innocent. to travel to ussr at taht time cost 1400 dollars and he had NO MONEY the govt paid to move his things back and let marina in although she had been member of soviet youth communism group banned from entereing usa

[voidforpurpose]

Oswald's tax returns are still witheld as "top secret".

Perfectly innocent.

Kennedy was "soft on communism" and was

[Doppelganger399]

I try not to reply to people directly for fear of a yes/no debate between me and people who think Oswald acted alone but I must ask why you think Kennedy was soft on communism?

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

oswald was seen in the window nad identified by several witnesses. 2 witnesses on floor below heard the shots from above, paint fell in their hair when the bldg shook from the shots, they heard 3 shell casings fall to floor, bullet fragments in limo matched oswalds rifle found on sixth floor. 10 witnesses identified oswald as tippit shooter and the shell casings and bullet were ballistically matched to oswalds pistol oswald tried to shoot the arresting cop educate yourself

[LeanaJoH76]

I wonder if this show will ever be on DVD. I loved this show when I was a kid.

[audiophile55]

The Dallas police recording not a "tape". It was a dictabelt, which is a plastic sleeve that fits over a cylinder and has grooves cut into it, just like a phonograph record. There are no "gunshots" on that recording.

[grumpytosnowwhite]

According to a committee in the House of Representatives, there are at least four shots on the recording, probably more. And they were forced to admit that there was a 95% chance that at least one of the shots came from the knoll. These guys are believable: they did everything they possibly could to make it look like Oswald did it, and failed. They ruled that there was a "probable" conspiracy, and coming from the government, that's tantamount to confession. Look it up if you don't believe me.

[audiophile55]

I am aware of that, but, that study was disputed. in 1982, when a committee on ballistic acoustics re examined the previous study you mentioned, they proved that the section of the dictabelt was over a minute after the shooting. To date, nothing has disproved the 1982 study. A guy named Don Thomas tried to, but he has been successfully proven wrong. By the way, If you accept that the dictabelt contains gunfire, you accept that Oswald did it, because that is what they found.

[grumpytosnowwhite]

Nope. Not proved at all. An amateur claimed this, and many other more qualified people said his findings were flawed. It was highly contested and never conclusive, the House findings still stand. And FYI, the dictabelt (if in fact it is valid) clearly indicates at least one shot was fired from the grassy knoll, so no, Oswald did not do "it" as in the whole assassination, though it is highly probable that he was one of the shooters.

[audiophile55]

An "ameteur"? The National Academy of Sciences confirmed the crosstalk discovered, which proved the section thought to have contained gunshots was over a minute after the shooting. What "other qualified people said his findings were flawed" are you talking about? Name them, please.

[grumpytosnowwhite]

No, you're mixing the two of them up. An amateur analyzer--I apologize that I cannot recall his name--claimed that the crosstalk proved it was recorded after the shooting. Writers from the National Academy of Sciences *refuted* this claim. However, neither of them could conclusively prove or disprove the valdity of the tape.

[audiophile55]

Sorry. You are confusing them. The NAS confirmed the crosstalk Steve Barber discovered. See NOVA "Who Shot President Kennedy?" on Dave Von Pein's channel, here at YT. The NAS confirmed that the voice of Sheriff Decker is on channel 1 in the exact spot the "shots" were supposedly located.

There is also photographic proof, which vindicates Barber's work, that proves McLain was not in the spot BBN said he was to record the shots.

[grumpytosnowwhite]

Well, if the NAS confirmed it, other people from the NAS also refuted it. I just checked to be sure, and a writer from the NAS refuted the claim. However, if the NAS later confirmed it...well that makes it even more confusing. However, it was not "proven" either way, as you claim. It is still just an argument, and we can't be sure of which one is correct.

[audiophile55]

I happen to know for a fact that no scientist who worked with the NAS panel "refuted" the findings of the committee he served on. Why don't you post the name of this person you say "refuted the claim", so that I can look this up. Also, it *has* been proven that there are no gunshots on the dictabelt. The crosstalk proves this, as well as the photographic evidence I pointed out.

[grumpytosnowwhite]

Ah, excuse me, I was wrong. It wasn't NAS, it was Science and Justice, by a govermental scientist named D.B. Thomas, who said that the voices were an accidental overdub. He was not "disproven" only contested. There were sounds heard that could not have been caused by anything other than gunshots, and they *were* heard, and were not "disproven" either. You seem to confuse challenging a claim with disproving it.

[audiophile55]

My only suggestion to you is, you do some heavy research on this topic, before you take what Don Thomas has done at face value. You can start by reading the end notes in Vincent Bugliosi's book, on the CD Rom, starting at page 200. Barber took Thomas to task with this "accidental overdub" nonsense, and so did a fellow by the name of Michael O'Dell. Then, go to Dale Myers website, and read "Of Crosstalk and Bells" by Steve Barber.

[ctcole77]

The House findings DO still stand. That is true.

But a recent compilation of videos has proven, beyond a doubt, that the cop was not where the house assumed he was at.

[audiophile55]

No, the House finding do *not* "still stand", at all.

The first nail in that coffin came with the crosstalk discovery, which proved the so-called "shots" were a minute too late, proving the House experts were wrong. The second nail came with the work by Dale Myers, showing photographically, that the police officer was not in the location the House claimed he was.

[DoubleR666]

Dale Myers is an ignorant idiot, watch his "video-proof" of the Magic Bullet, his computer analysis was debunked big time. He faked the trajectory. Look for Dale Myers + JFK and you will find he is a hoaxer.

[Obelisk2290]

Soory but Myers work is peerless the only hoaxer here is Groden who is trying to synch fake shots here

[DoubleR666]

höhö

watch this and weep:

watch?v=kJrH62TkCWE&feature=fv­st

"Dale Myers - Voodoo Geometry"

subject speaks for itself

[Obelisk2290]

myers has a digital version of exactly what happened in the lime and you "vid" cannot be found

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

bullshit myers analysis was totally accurate. ans this question - if the majic bullet theory is wrong then tell me -where did the bullet that hit jfk in the back go? it was not found in the limo, it was not found in jfk's body but there was a bullet that fell out of connallys leg so then if that is not the bullet - where is it? i bet you won't answer nuff said

[DoubleR666]

Dale Myers.

His "conclusions" were not based on accurate information (original engineering (topography) study (plat map). The Warren Commission altered the findings of the men who did that work in 1964.

So anyone who uses that information based on the WC's plat map, would already be incorrect in their studies.

Show me his LIGHTWAVE 3D files moron and I'll take you to DP places you've never dreamed of, moron.

[DoubleR666]

Dale Myers debunks his own work

In his cartoon for the ABC and Discovery Channel (Beyond the Magic Bullet) Mockumentary the Connally figure was shrunk (as was the jumpseat) to accomodate the SBT, this is an out-and-out fraud perpetrated on the public.

His kill zone attack sequence CAD DP-recreations work are cartoons, his cartoons have been debunked big time, ask bobharris77 here on YT, he sucsessfully has debunked his "work"

[DoubleR666]

"where did the bullet that hit jfk in the back go?"

Nov 22, 1963. Bethesda morgue, 8:00 pm. X-Ray procedures begin before the actual autopsy starts. JFKs body is lifted to place an x-ray plate under it and a deformed bullet falls from the upper back area of Kennedy's body.

X-Ray dudes Osborne and Custer picked it up gave it to Humes, he gave it to FBI agents Siebert and O'Neil, they signed a receipt for it. miraculously the bullet disappeared, but the receipt for it still is in the NARA.

[Obelisk2290]

absolutely correct

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

there are other studies which refute the "one minute too late" debunking of the tape recording

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

there is a clip here on youtube with top marksman that shows the view through scope from south knoll, overpass and grassy knoll. the shots from sknoll nad overpass not viable as there was no clean shot the windshield blocked the shot. there was a shot from the knoll but it is a nearly LATERAL shot and would have POSITIVELY hit jackie so if there was a shot from the knoll it missed plus the medical evidence is there was no wound from the front

[ctcole77]

The House of Rep. acted as best they could with the info they had, but this theory has been proved false after compiling other film to get the exact location of the cop. He was not where the house claimed he was.

[audiophile55]

Exactly right, ctcole77. There is now indisputable photographic proof that the cop wasn't there where the house claimed he was.

[ctcole77]

There are things that link the mob to JFK.

Carlos Marcello deported to central america by RFK and almost dieing in the process.

The power of the mob in the 1960s.

The influence the mob had on getting JFK elected, then disappointment with JFK/RFK policies on the mob.

Above all else, why did Ruby kill Oswald?

It wasn't Oliver Stone's MIC. That's ridiculous.

But it could of been the mob with conservative elements in the govt. NOT involved, but glad to be rid of JFK and move on.

[audiophile55]

There are just as many "things", 53 pieces of evidence, in fact, that link Oswald to the crime. "Why did Ruby kill Oswald"? Simple. He was as unstable as Lee Oswald.

[ctcole77]

In fact, I'm sick of all the NWO, 911 truth, and JFK theories. It's just a bunch of people who are looking for a more "interesting" cause than the official one.

But there is some evidence and a motive for the mob's involvement.

By no way is it a smoking gun.

What is more interesting is that it has taken over 40 years for all the conspiracy theorists and ideological hit jobs to fade away enough so that we can look into JFK murder without bias.

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

many many witnesses murdered so you hardly have no bias. roselli, giancana, morales, demorenshild, ferrie and many many other witnesses murdered so what does that tell you? hunt, marcello, traficante as well as others all confessed

[ctcole77]

And I don't disagee about Oswald's involvement.

Rescent pschological profiles show he was out to be someone famous by killing someone famous.

He also tried to murder a top ranking general before JFK. He totally missed.

[sdDCCXZCXCCX]

ruby had extensive mob ties and had stalked oswald in the police station in the prior days. he was also ijdentified by top reporter of being at parkland.

[jaxzurr]

Exactly, Joseph Kennedy Sr, made the Kennedy wealth during prohibition years. Running illegal booze and guns, Kennedy made his contats with mob then. Mob helps to rig the Chicago elections in 1960. Kennedy fails in the bay of pigs, Castro kicks out the American mob in Cuba. Mob losses their big Casinos and money in Cuba. RFK is attorney general, put pressure on Hoover to investigate the mob. Mob is in the spotlight.. Mob feels backstabed, then decides to kill Kennedy. Then RFK in 68

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david morales did it as payback for bay of pigs as well as the other things you mentioned.

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good point - the photo evidence later proved the cop was not where they thought he was but - that does not mean his mic could not have picked up the shots though it was in another position. I am sure any mic anywhere in the plaza would have picked up the shots

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Nice vid. I love In Search Of. I wish they would bring it back with Nimoy as host.