I think the question proposed here is that not every killer should be executed but rather only the nastiest ones. If true justice was enforced than we would need to torture some people for years then kill them; i think that hits the inhumane ceiling of our society. So absolute justice isn't what society wants, but rather some justice...
@2Jax and always ask the one against what they would do an innocent love one of their's was brutally raped murder by a mad man. And don't let them change the subject.
PS: i have no opinion on death penalty, i just think we need to consider the two sides of the subject :)
i am against the death penalty, simply because some people abuse it...for example the troy davison case, but very good job presenting the opposite side.
Thank you, you just saved my life before i had to debate the subject in English class. amazing video, I'm con too but when you pic pro you have to go with it. grate vid (:
I did a little bit of research, and Jerry Lee Lewis was not sentenced to death. He did commit crimes and his mugshot was taken as you've shown, yet the crimes he committed were not worthy of a death sentence.
@fasfsdfasd I'm pretty liberal in many regards. But I hate sissified liberals walking around with fishing gear stuck in their faces, smelling like shit and in need of a shave trying to act like they know everything. Some of these chumps ain't lived enough years to know shit from shinola and need to STFU.
@Mrpastry909 I understand your sentiment, but I disagree. I think the death penalty is only appropriate for murder. Even some murders do not warrant the death penalty, if there are mitigating factors.
@Mrpastry909 I heard that, dude. I too am pretty damned liberal, but have always supported the death penalty. And like you, I think that they ought to expand it to include serial child abusers, rapists and people like Bernie Madoff. It's usually youngsters and idealistic older people (terminal adolescents) who cannot fathom a liberal being pro capital punishment. I ain't religious either - you kill someone, your ass gets killed. That's what I believe.
@fasfsdfasd "...life starts at conception." Who/what said that whose word applies to everyone?
"And about the death penalty, people in death row are generally guilty of the crime committed. Isolated cases are few at best." Very true. I never take the "wrongly convicted" argument as a primary and quite valid argument that strongly supports the anti-capital punishment side.
@fasfsdfasd as someone who is a philosophy major at Harvard i can tell you that you are wong when you equate abortion to murder, especially in the first trimester. (but I'll never be able to persuade you otherwise, so we move on) and you clearly don't know actual facts when you say that the death penalty is 100% full proof because it's not. first not every murder trial is linked to DNA evidence (less than 10% are) and the next likey thing is eyewitness acounts. which are historically inacurate.
what really makes me sick is some liberals support abortion but are anti death penalty. they would rather kill an innocent child who hasnt had a chance at life than execute a vicious murderer who has blown his chance at life. That is completely sick!
@whorelix the point about being against the death penalty is that the person who "commited" the crime will always have a chance of being innocent. since 1976 140 people have been released from death row due to wrongful evidence. Innocent people have died. besides, life in prison is a worse punishment.and about abortion your not doing the political discourse of this issue any good when you say "kill babies."
As much as I can see the point of pro-death penalties, and they're fair and valid points. It still doesn't reverse what happened, and part of me just doesn't see the point in capital punishment.
Haven't any of you commenters (pro or anti) considered that for crimes that would merit execution, to instead sentence them to no less than exactly 100 years in a supermax prison, with absolutely no chance to get out early. All are satisfied, for the victims: even better punishment as you are not putting the perp out of his misery, for the innocent: more of an opportunity to release and compensated if wrongfully convicted, and their is no liability as death would come from purely natural causes
100% pro-death penalty for heinous crimes involving rape and murder. Anyone against the death penalty, to me, are just as bad as the criminals, to pay to keep these people alive is sickening and a slap in the face to the victims family put simply:
people pro death penalty are for victims rights, people against the death penalty are for criminals rights simple as..
@whorelix you call murder a "heinous crime" but how is killing someone by lethal injection any different? You make a generalized statement that "people against the death penalty are for criminals rights." Can you explain this statement? What do you consider criminals' rights?
@TheRios831 how is it different??? what a stupid statement. Somebody who deliberaely plans a murder on an innocent person for no other reason other than their own self gratification is someone that deserves capital punishment do you honestly believe that life imprisonment is enough? so what happens if they kill more than one person? they can only get a maximum of life so all those other murders mean nothing. Its the people that stand up for the human rights of criminals that make me sick.
@whorelix I think we have something in common in our respect for human life. You believe it is justice to give a murderer the death penalty in order to honor the life of the victim, while I believe it is never appropriate to end a life in any way. That puts us on opposite ends of this discussion, but I think our basic foundation for the argument is the same. I think you are saying that "criminals' rights" are "human rights". Do you believe that the only thing a murderer deserves is death?
@TheRios831 Cold blooded murderers only. Any murder committed 'in the heat of the moment' ie. man killing wife after finding her in bed with another man or a fight in pub NO the death penalty is not appropriate in that respect, but somone who plans, thinks about and carrys out a murder for no other reason other than their own satisfaction be it sexual or money orientated deserves to forfeit their life, the death penalty is justice. There has to be a distinction between the two.
for a gov to say murder is illegal then kill their accused is the sickest form of double standards there is! No one has the right to kill anyone ever. That is why murder is taken so seriously in court. To make a fuss when someone commits the ultimate crime and then ask their gov to do the same thing is sick.
@DrunkXpunk87 u have a lot of learning to do. murder means killing an innocent person. im not insulted by u, bc u are not learnd . how are u going to be all "compassionate" for murderers yet be obsessed with white power? maybe you just want to let white power murderers go, i see.
Under no circumstances is the death penalty the right move. It's unjustified, hypocritical, primitive, more expensive than imprisonment, and it has killed many innocent people. Nobody can take someone else's life away.
@ RABOD "Thou shalt not commit murder." If you do commit murder, we'll kill you in return. It's okay if you do it first.
@1tacoman17 The murderer doesn't have the right. He steps outside of his station and power when he does so. It would be hypocritical for the state to step out of its station, role, and power to kill him.
@1tacoman17 "An eye for an eye makes the world blind." - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. The state does NOT have the right to kill anyone, and nothing in the world can change that. "Thou shalt not murder" - The Bible (if you're religious). It does not say "thou shalt not murder unless he did it first."
@jjtyler21 Somehow I knew you were going to qoute Gandhi. But nobody can back that qoute up as it just sounds fancy and it doesnt even work for an argument. The bible says thou shall not murder. There is a difference between stopping more murders and murdering. The bible doesnt say you cant murder but go ahead because noone should be allowed to execute you anyway :P.
@1tacoman17 It does work for the argument. An eye for an eye is the same as revenge. Revenge makes things worse. Two wrongs don't make a right. The bible does say you can't murder (commandment and other places). As for the prevention of murder, life sentence is cheaper and prevents further homicide on the part of the murderer in jail. Your claim that my quote cannot be backed up is equally valid for your quote. How would you propose to back that up?
@jjtyler21 Killing a mudurer isnt a wrong though. I havent researched how much the death penalty costs but I know its the right thing to do is to put a mudurer to death. They DESERVE it. It wouldnt cost as much simply to put a bullet in their head but people like you would calll that inhumane right? We shouldnt let mudurers of scott free. Prison is nice, free cable, a workout room, a library, and 3 square meals a day, all for free on the tax payer's dollar. Its not logical-
@jjtyler21 to say putting someone in jail for 50 something years or more or less depending on the person would cost less than simply killing them. If one of your family members was murdered you wouldnt want the guy put in prison for life. Your just being hippocritical.
@1tacoman17 not in american prisons, they are too nice here. it's not punishment at all to watch tv while ur victim's fam is suffering every day for the rest of their lives.
@1tacoman17 If one of my family members is murdered, I would want to know why he was murdered (as in, I would want to hear it from the murderer). I WOULD want to send him to jail. In some ways, jail is worse than death; you must live your whole life doing nothing but living in a small room, working, etc, and being punished. With death, you just die and it's over. Also, the Death Penalty is much more expensive than life imprisonment - deathpenalty (dot) org / article.php ? id=42
@BadgerCheese94 Yea, that's true. Some poor people do crimes to get into jail to have free housing and food. However, it still does keep criminals off of the street.
@meggatonman LOL and prison is so actulay really not that bad. You dont have to even been in a prison to know this. You get free meals, free cable, a free workout room, a free library, plenty of time to yourself, and much more.
@1tacoman17 yes, let's withdraw their food, sedate them, keep them in their rooms and throw away the key, that will really 'cure' them. The main reason criminals commit crime after they've been released from prison is because they're not rehabilitated, which needs to be done! Let's just kill them all right?!
@meggatonman No I never said all crinimals. We need to try and rehibilitate the other ones. But I think we should put rapists, mudurers, child molesters to death. The reason most crinimals commite crimes once they are released is because they havent been punished. They just have it easy in prison. Prison shouldnt have cable, a free library, more work, and worse food. Its only fair. And we need to have stricter punishments for repeat offenders.
@1tacoman17 How would you or I think if one of your or my family members were murdered? I don't know it's never happened to either you or me, don't be so quick to judge!
@1tacoman17 of course not, that is staggeringly high in the USA which still has the dealth penalty and other developed nations, who have banned it, it's far lower. there are many many tried and tested ways to lower that rather than doubling the murder rate by killing someone who has killed. To me that says the death penalty doesn't work, other methods do.
@1tacoman17 No. My point is that the USA has proportionaly as many 'bad' people as any other developed nation. The point is we (europe) don't execute people, we've found many other better and more progressive ways to deal with crime. We deal with the root causes of crime.
If a person forcibly takes away the rights of another person (through murder, rape, taking hostage, etc.), then I believe that person, once tried, should have their rights taken away, too, by the government. You steal a shirt from a store, you pay a fine & possible jail time. You steal someone's life? You should pay with your own life. As the Bible says, "thou shalt not commit murder."
Any idea who the little girl was at 2:12 and the young boy at 2:17? What about the teen at 2:26 and the young lady at 2:33? Seeing their pictures is heartbreaking and very angering.
By the way, it is so obvious to me that murderers should be put to death. They should be hanged publicly.
@Obamain2012 That's ok. I'm not trying to convince you to be pro-death penalty. What is important to me is that you do not claim that your anti-death penalty position is rooted in religious tradition.
@Obamain2012 The death penalty is sanctioned by the world's major religions. It is the only commandment that appears in each of the first 5 books of the Bible. "Thou shalt not kill" is a mistranslation, the commandment is actually "Thou shalt not murder". The difference between kill and murder is that while killing is the taking of a life, murder is the taking of an innocent life. The 3 Abrahamic religions call for the killing of a murderer.
@DrunkXpunk87 so just let them sit in prison forever? then they die. isn't that just like a prolonged death penalty? look up the definition of murder btw. seems like ppl dont know what it really means. and in religion it means to kill an innocent person. u give up ur rights when u commit a crime, correct? it's like saying taking me to jail for robbing a bank is unjust. no, because i chose to give up my right to freedom. think about it.
@fortuna068 i agree that it's much worse to spend time in prison for the rest of ur life, but u have to think about the money it costs. which is, to be honost, a waste because they aren't getting out. it's like the death penalty but just a prolonged death penalty.
have we forgotten that these people GAVE UP their rights when they chose to do these things to others? why are people obsessed with making the world cute and sweet for those who don't deserve it? it's not "murder" when they are guilty. they GAVE UP THEIR RIGHTS.
Murder is not evil. It is evil by the choice who does it. If murder is evil, then why do we train soldiers to, in a sense, annihilate forces that threaten our country? Murder is a tool -- the wielder's intent is the one that makes a difference.
NO SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and Timothy McVeigh ect. got what they deserved yes killing a human is wrong but tell that to the disembowel human remains of the victim and the family.What about the victim when they cried out telling him to stop what did he do? I'm for the death penalty but only in killing or rape cases with fair trials and proof of guilt .
prevail - it codifies the taking of innocent life by not making the murderer forfeit their own guilty life. Mercy grants value to the life of a killer, while, at the same time, it strips away the value of the life of the innocent victim. It makes the life of a killer more important than the life of an innocent. It is thus a trade of the good to the evil. It is the victory of death over life.
@Con-Death Penalty. I have something to say. If there is someone who deserves death penalty, it would be murderers.
There is no greater value than life - and that's what you partially recognize by your confused notion of granting mercy. A murderer, by his own choice to kill, forfeits the right to his own life. Their conscious, deliberate act of murder takes the irreplaceable value of life from another. Mercy for such evil is nothing short of excusing it and thus allowing evil to
any argument for the death penalty is utter clown shoes. first of all on a moral stand point besides anything else you cannot set the example that murder is wrong by killing a person. A further reason perhapse the most important a miscarage of justice is a little hard to appologise for and I would rather see every single criminal set free than risk that one person be murdered for a crime they did not commit. The last person ever to be executed in britain has since been pardoned. ern sorry
any argument for the death penalty is utter clown shoes. first of all on a moral stand point besides anything else you cannot set the example that murder is wrong by killing a person. A further reason perhapse the most important a miscarage of justice is a little hard to appologise for and I would rather see every single criminal set free than risk that one person be murdered for a crime they did not commit. The last person ever to be executed in britain has since been pardoned. ern sorry
any argument for the death penalty is utter clown shoes. first of all on a moral stand point besides anything else you cannot set the example that murder is wrong by killing a person. A further reason perhapse the most important a miscarage of justice is a little hard to appologise for and I would rather see every single criminal set free than risk that one person be murdered for a crime they did not commit. The last person ever to be executed in britain has since been pardoned. ern sorry
any argument for the death penalty is utter clown shoes. first of all on a moral stand point besides anything else you cannot set the example that murder is wrong by killing a person. A further reason perhapse the most important a miscarage of justice is a little hard to appologise for and I would rather see every single criminal set free than risk that one person be murdered for a crime they did not commit. The last person ever to be executed in britain has since been pardoned.
Each state is different. I am from Texas, and here, if you commit more than one crime, such as murder, rape, and kidnapping, you'll get the death penalty. If you murder someone younger than the age of six, you get the death penalty. If you murder a police officer, you get the death penalty. If you commit multiple murders, you get the death penalty. Texas, California, and Florida are the states that use capital punishment the most.
If the slaughter of innocents is punishible by death then those responsible should suffer the consequence sof falsly convicted felons, tried and executed. The Judge the jury the attornee and the regular staff that adminster the lethal injections in these cases should be tried and executed. Any Law institution does not have the right to hand out death penalties only to be exempt from the same penalty themselves. A mandertory death penalty then for judges and others who put innocents to death.
if those reponsible for sending innocents to death were brought to justice and condemed to death. Then I am all for the death penaltiy .Why should unmittigated slaughter of life be tolerated in the courthouses. You can´t kill innocents to protect innocents from killing innocent people & what will you say on the day of reckoning at St Petersgate will you walk into the garden of light? No you will be cast out & thrown into the pits of filth from whence you came wailiing and gnashing of teeth
There is only one valid reason for opposing captial punishment, and that is the possibility of an innocent person being executed. However, that risk is outweighed by the risk of innocents being murdered in the absence of capital punishment. Every other argument cited for the abolition of capital punishment is absurd on its face. The most absurd of all arguments is that it is not compassionate to put murderers to death and that abolishing capital punishment would be compassionate.
@fasfsdfasd Look it up. Multiple sources show that the homicide rates are higher in states that use the death penalty to those that don't. Even country wise it's a fact. USA has one of the highest homicide rates out there and we're one of the only civilized countries that still use the death penalty. The ones that don't are considerably lower. Is this a complete concidence? Possibly, but I don't think so.
most murderers who get life in prison,do not feel guilty or carry guilt with them for very long!they r rewarded with a good life in prison,food,school,college,and programs they attend!
Lethal Injection has no proof of causing pain to the ones being executed!Even if there was proof of causing pain with lethal injection,who gives a dam?Someone that was beaten to death,or tortured and then murdered,being stabbed to death,strangled to death,or any other kinds of murder victims,felt pain,felt helpless,and felt scared!So the ones who r being executed by lethal injection r being killed the easy way! I DO SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY 100%!
Here's what we need to do, we need to alter the constitution to say that those found guilty of murder or a sex offense will only be eligible for the death penalty by hanging or burial alive (states choice)
@fasfsdfasd And i would go bear witness to the scenes you would show me i would pray for the dead and not add to them. Death is an escape form the consequences of their actions i would not let them go so easily. The justice/vengence did not help the pain for me, it was as a hollow distraction in the face of grief. i regret that it took the life of both my sister and her murderer to make me see this. God go with you.
@fasfsdfasd Actually yes i do want them to live i want them to come to realise what they did was wrong. I them want to feel guilt and shame about what they have done and the pain they have caused. No amount of killing will bring a person back to life, i don't believe that it becomes ok to kill someone because they have killed another person. If this makes me a sadist and supporter of murderers as you say then i ask you what punishment would you hand down to me? am i guilty of murder by neglect?
if you have a death sentance available in your legal system sooner or later you will execute a someone who is not guilty of the crimes that they have been found guilty of, so i feel one should weigh weather the potential to scare other would be murders justifies the potential killing of an innocent person.
@hmoshref im afraid you are mistaken since the uk stopped using the death sentance, over 60 people have been found to have been wrongfully executed and we averged a much lower exercution rate than the us, now considering the united states executed 44 people in 2010 and 1242 since 1976 its likely some of these people where wrongfully executed. Of course i supose the judicial system in the us could be lot better than ours and you pick out more errors but i have my doubts.
@DecksYourSystem ya your right, my bad i did some research, but that was quit some time ago before dna and forensic evidence was really used. there just going back and finding out that wait, we did kill that guy even though he is not guilty. so yes in the past there have been mistakes. but capital punishment is defently right when it comes to serial killers. if i could prove that some person killed and raped 6 people do you think its best to keep them in jail? for life?
FANATASTIC VIDEO THOSE AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY ARE AS BAD AS THE COLD BLOODED MURDERERS ON THIS VIDEO! THEY GAVE UP THERE HUMAN RIGHTS WHEN THEY KILL AN INNOCENT PERSON
I think Electricution and Lethal Is WRONG,Due To The Fact It Cost ALOT Of MONEY, ( personally I dont give a shit if it's painful )BUT! I Believe That There Should Only Be Executed If The Case Was 90%+ Sure that The Defendent Did Do The Crime,And That They Should NOT Be In Prison.They Should Be In A Small Place ( Safe And Secured ) For Their Family To Spend Their Last Time With Them For Two Weeks,Then They Should Be Executed By A Bullet,Less Money,Less Painful,Less Tax.
There are other heinous crimes that call for execution-rape, plane hijacking, treason, attempted murder, attempted terrorism, ect. As you can seem,the "killing for killing" argument gets old fast.
You have to support killing innocent people in order to support the death penalty due to natural errors - This makes you even worse than what you hate since you are supporting a literal death machine that will perpetually kill innocents until it's abolished by those who don't want to take the risk anymore.
It's one of the worst things you can support considering the level of dehumanization involved.
No, proponents of the death penalty do NOT support the execution of innocents. If you are worried about innocent people being executed, do not convict innocent people.
1. Basically, from what I understand of followers of the death penalty: taking a life on purpose for any circumstance is wrong, right?
2. Fine. Murder the murderers. But oops! Now the person who killed the murderer is a murderer also. Kill him! Oh darn! Now the person who killed him is a murderer as well.
So, I bet right now anyone who agreed with the first point has decided to disagree with the second point, correct? Either the rule can be applied universally or it shouldn't be applied at all.
@SlytherinDeity Nobody thinks that taking a life on purpose for any circumstance is wrong. Namely, justifiable homicide (killing in self-defense) is just that: justifiable. That's not murder. Hell, they should be rewarded for their actions. Also, capital punishment is not murder, since murder is defined as "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought". Since capital punishment is lawful, it can't be murder. Also, read the 5th Amendment to the Constitution.
What's the point of even having RIGHTS if they can be taken away? A right is something that you are entitled to. If it can be taken away, it's not a right - It's a privilege.
@SlytherinDeity Rights are definite unless you commit a crime to lose them. The 5th Amendment to the Constitution outlines that no one can "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Also, do you think someone who has deprived another of their right to life should retain theirs? Hell, capital punishment defends the right to life by punishing those who violate the right to life.
Then they shouldn't be called rights. And yes, I do believe everyone should be entitled to life regardless of how horrible their crime. There are much better ways to deal with them than kill them. Furthermore, can you not think for yourself? Is the "5th Amendment to the Constitution" your bible?
I'm for the death penalty. I don't care who you are but if you murdered someone then you should be murdered, it's no question. I don't know about rape but MURDER is taking someone's life away, why shouldn't your life be thrown away as well? Forget prison, MURDER THE FUCKING PERSON THAT MURDERED ANOTHER.
How dare you vile creatures who are sympathetic to these murdering subhuman beasts use the Ten Commandments to spit in the face of crime victims. The sixth commandment in its original Hebrew says "thou shalt not murder". The Old Testament is very clear in differentiating between criminal homicide and legal, just execution. In fact, God DEMANDS that murderers be put to death. Read Genesis 9:6, "whosoever sheds the blood of man, by man must his blood be shed." We DO have that right.
@cnavaro88 That's about as idiotic a statement as I've ever heard an anti-capital punishment person make. Let me ask you something. The 2 murderers in Connecticut, who beat up a family, raped the mother and the 18 and 11 years old daughters, set them on fire and then murdered them...do you think that they should be allowed to live? Let's lay our cards on the table. I think every breath of air that these 2 lowlifes get to breath is an obscenity. Still think executing murderers is being a nazi?
Who the hell do you think gave you, or anyone else, the right to decide who is allowed to live or not? Being alive is a God given right. Take it away, or support anyone who takes it away, and you burn in Hell.
@cnavaro88 It's fine with me if you want to bring God into it. The biblical imperative that murderers are to be put to death is found in each of the first 5 books of the bible. No other law is given such reinforcement. It's not a right to decide that murderers are to be executed, it is a commandment. You don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you should read the TEN COMMANDMENTS. 'Thou Shall Not Kill'. This is a direct order not to kill another man from God himself. Only God has that right. Those who execute and those who support execution will burn in Hell. You are a vile murderer and have no place in God's Kingdom.
@FireyFiringFire its only more expensive because of all the appeals anti-capitals made. If you really think supporting someone for life is less expensive then a bullet in the head or a shot, thats just silly. The only real problem with the death penalty is that innocent people might die. Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather have life in prison rather then the system we have now, but conceptually the death penalty would save money, its just all the legal crap that gets in the way.
Looking at America from Europe it seems it's the same conservative 'christians' who rallies against abortion, that cry loudest for death penalty. You are worse than Taliban when it comes to double standards!
If we could just see on a person before they commit a hideous crime that they would, we could wipe them out without them causing any harm. On an infant this is impossible, and I guess that's where the idea of "Pro life + Pro death penalty" comes from.
Even when a child grows older it's usually very difficult to see what path they will choose, you will only get a quick hint. Could it be right to wipe them out as well? Children? is it more or less murder than abortion?
@FireyFiringFire That's not what I meant, but I understand why this is hard to see.
Even children have minds beyond our understanding, some of them even dangerous. I know people must've been able to see this.
If we could actually work out and see when a child, or adult or whatever, have chosen a path that is generally viewed as a "bad" one, why is it wrong to stop the hideous actions before they occur? The ONLY difficult thing here is actually KNOWING that a crime will be commited.
To the simply amoral and logical being, there are few arguments against the death penalty. But man is more than that; man is a moral being with love and a sense of morality. It is our duty as human beings to follow our inner feelings.
I do believe that all crimes deserve punishment, for they are wicked, but I believe that this punishment is not for us to give, and, furthermore, the person is punished with unhappiness and shame enough. We should not strive to create vengeance, but rather to uncover the good within us all.
All people deserve life. While these criminals are depraved, evil, and wicked, we are not given a right to kill them; that is simply a reaction of vengeance. We have all sinned, and should understand that these people feel the greatest horror in their soul. Murderers seem always impassive because they have fled from their inner guilt and built a wall of impassivity. It is the duty of every moral being to understand this depth within us all, and reach out to the good within.
I believe the way the kill them is wrong, its not an instant death and they might have moments of suffering and long periods of waiting to see what might happen to them. Im for the death penalty but I think it should be gone about differently
@MyYearTheDreamer and your point is? do you think they let their victims have a quick and easy punishment? heck no! there victims death is 20 times the death they will suffer. im all for forgivness but there's some cases that are so sick that the offender should be put through excruciating pain and suffering.
@MyYearTheDreamer There's absolutely no proof of any excruciating pain. There is certain drugs that put the inmate to sleep, then stop the breathing, then the heart, in that order. Even if there is any pain, I don't think it's a big deal. Get the hell over it. They obviously did something heinous and serious enough to be punishable by death, however painful that death may be.
I think the question proposed here is that not every killer should be executed but rather only the nastiest ones. If true justice was enforced than we would need to torture some people for years then kill them; i think that hits the inhumane ceiling of our society. So absolute justice isn't what society wants, but rather some justice...
ZAGGNUT1 1 week ago
good job
mikeman6kids 1 week ago
fuck death penalty
godessshannon 1 week ago
Always ask a pro-death penalty person what they would do if an innocent love one of their's was put to death. And don't let them change the subject.
2Jax 2 weeks ago
@2Jax and always ask the one against what they would do an innocent love one of their's was brutally raped murder by a mad man. And don't let them change the subject.
PS: i have no opinion on death penalty, i just think we need to consider the two sides of the subject :)
CharlesGIGN 1 week ago
@CharlesGIGN That is normal how pro-death penalty people change the subject.
As one of the against my view is: I would rather the killer and rapist of my loved ones go free than an innocent person be murdered by the state.
2Jax 1 week ago
@2Jax oh i see what you mean by "do not change the subject then " :p
Well obviously you are right on this point, but if someone thinks differently, i think it's totally understandable :)
CharlesGIGN 1 week ago
@CharlesGIGN understandable is different from acceptable.
2Jax 1 week ago
@2Jax again, it depends on your pov ...
CharlesGIGN 1 week ago
@CharlesGIGN Meaning what? What is the conclusion to the fact that people have different povs?
2Jax 1 week ago
@2Jax welll i mean that both pro and con death penalty wouldnt be able to answer each other's questions
CharlesGIGN 1 week ago
TO FUCKING BAD IF ITS ABUSED, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THE LIFE OF AN INNOCENT!!!!
JohnWattsify 2 weeks ago
This video was put together amazingly. I'm not pro-death penalty, but this video was still insipiring.
KaitleeJean 1 month ago
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goodyoj 1 month ago
YEAH I LOVE THIS VIDEO!
sexymohms 1 month ago
i am against the death penalty, simply because some people abuse it...for example the troy davison case, but very good job presenting the opposite side.
cuterocker98 1 month ago
shut the fuck up
laurahyland2822 1 month ago
Thank you, you just saved my life before i had to debate the subject in English class. amazing video, I'm con too but when you pic pro you have to go with it. grate vid (:
GevaBabe 1 month ago
@GevaBabe thats why I'm here aswell lol writing a speech for english :/
ninjaed13 2 weeks ago
@fasfsdfasd
Thanks, I'm pretty conservative as far as Democrats go. Bill Clinton and Al Gore both strongly believe in the death penalty too.
Mrpastry909 1 month ago
this video is in poor taste for such a serious issue americans will play rock music over anything it seems.
doctorw2 1 month ago
I did a little bit of research, and Jerry Lee Lewis was not sentenced to death. He did commit crimes and his mugshot was taken as you've shown, yet the crimes he committed were not worthy of a death sentence.
Thekylekite 2 months ago
@fasfsdfasd I'm pretty liberal in many regards. But I hate sissified liberals walking around with fishing gear stuck in their faces, smelling like shit and in need of a shave trying to act like they know everything. Some of these chumps ain't lived enough years to know shit from shinola and need to STFU.
feloniuschunk 2 months ago
We need to expand the death penalty for rape, armed robbery, and hostage-taking situations.
And before anyone starts calling me a southern redneck Republican, I'm a Democrat from Illinois.
Mrpastry909 2 months ago
@Mrpastry909 I understand your sentiment, but I disagree. I think the death penalty is only appropriate for murder. Even some murders do not warrant the death penalty, if there are mitigating factors.
koyunbaba73 2 months ago
@Mrpastry909 I heard that, dude. I too am pretty damned liberal, but have always supported the death penalty. And like you, I think that they ought to expand it to include serial child abusers, rapists and people like Bernie Madoff. It's usually youngsters and idealistic older people (terminal adolescents) who cannot fathom a liberal being pro capital punishment. I ain't religious either - you kill someone, your ass gets killed. That's what I believe.
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@fasfsdfasd "...life starts at conception." Who/what said that whose word applies to everyone?
"And about the death penalty, people in death row are generally guilty of the crime committed. Isolated cases are few at best." Very true. I never take the "wrongly convicted" argument as a primary and quite valid argument that strongly supports the anti-capital punishment side.
Cthulhudiddit 2 months ago
@fasfsdfasd as someone who is a philosophy major at Harvard i can tell you that you are wong when you equate abortion to murder, especially in the first trimester. (but I'll never be able to persuade you otherwise, so we move on) and you clearly don't know actual facts when you say that the death penalty is 100% full proof because it's not. first not every murder trial is linked to DNA evidence (less than 10% are) and the next likey thing is eyewitness acounts. which are historically inacurate.
grnbbllntrck 3 months ago
@grnbbllntrck Philosophy major at Harvard? You can't even spell.
mwbudburner 2 months ago
@mwbudburner aww darn. you got me
grnbbllntrck 2 months ago
what really makes me sick is some liberals support abortion but are anti death penalty. they would rather kill an innocent child who hasnt had a chance at life than execute a vicious murderer who has blown his chance at life. That is completely sick!
whorelix 3 months ago
@whorelix the point about being against the death penalty is that the person who "commited" the crime will always have a chance of being innocent. since 1976 140 people have been released from death row due to wrongful evidence. Innocent people have died. besides, life in prison is a worse punishment.and about abortion your not doing the political discourse of this issue any good when you say "kill babies."
grnbbllntrck 3 months ago
once the person is convicted with dna proof the sentence should be carried out immediately
russ9356 3 months ago
How is killing ever a civilized action? Why isn't life in prison enough of a punishment for murderers?
TheRios831 4 months ago
how was the guy at 0:33 sentenced to death in 1905? theres a picture of him right there lol
RedEggsCereal 4 months ago
As much as I can see the point of pro-death penalties, and they're fair and valid points. It still doesn't reverse what happened, and part of me just doesn't see the point in capital punishment.
MrBentrafford 4 months ago
Haven't any of you commenters (pro or anti) considered that for crimes that would merit execution, to instead sentence them to no less than exactly 100 years in a supermax prison, with absolutely no chance to get out early. All are satisfied, for the victims: even better punishment as you are not putting the perp out of his misery, for the innocent: more of an opportunity to release and compensated if wrongfully convicted, and their is no liability as death would come from purely natural causes
GFMarshallx1 4 months ago
100% pro-death penalty for heinous crimes involving rape and murder. Anyone against the death penalty, to me, are just as bad as the criminals, to pay to keep these people alive is sickening and a slap in the face to the victims family put simply:
people pro death penalty are for victims rights, people against the death penalty are for criminals rights simple as..
whorelix 4 months ago
@whorelix you call murder a "heinous crime" but how is killing someone by lethal injection any different? You make a generalized statement that "people against the death penalty are for criminals rights." Can you explain this statement? What do you consider criminals' rights?
TheRios831 4 months ago
@TheRios831 how is it different??? what a stupid statement. Somebody who deliberaely plans a murder on an innocent person for no other reason other than their own self gratification is someone that deserves capital punishment do you honestly believe that life imprisonment is enough? so what happens if they kill more than one person? they can only get a maximum of life so all those other murders mean nothing. Its the people that stand up for the human rights of criminals that make me sick.
whorelix 4 months ago
@whorelix I think we have something in common in our respect for human life. You believe it is justice to give a murderer the death penalty in order to honor the life of the victim, while I believe it is never appropriate to end a life in any way. That puts us on opposite ends of this discussion, but I think our basic foundation for the argument is the same. I think you are saying that "criminals' rights" are "human rights". Do you believe that the only thing a murderer deserves is death?
TheRios831 4 months ago
@TheRios831 Cold blooded murderers only. Any murder committed 'in the heat of the moment' ie. man killing wife after finding her in bed with another man or a fight in pub NO the death penalty is not appropriate in that respect, but somone who plans, thinks about and carrys out a murder for no other reason other than their own satisfaction be it sexual or money orientated deserves to forfeit their life, the death penalty is justice. There has to be a distinction between the two.
whorelix 3 months ago
What about abortion? Should we restore death penalty for abortion doctors?
fintyrock 5 months ago
I find the hypocrisy and selfishness involved amusing amongst some people.
Many say it's wrong to murder, yet allow animal slaughter.
I'm pro captial punishment.
We may claim to be civilized, yet we're still animals and we'll always cause destruction to species or the land somehow.
Murderer's, Pedophiles & anything within that vile category of criminals, shuold be put down.
MisterMWest 6 months ago
for a gov to say murder is illegal then kill their accused is the sickest form of double standards there is! No one has the right to kill anyone ever. That is why murder is taken so seriously in court. To make a fuss when someone commits the ultimate crime and then ask their gov to do the same thing is sick.
DunxMeister 6 months ago
Kill all in Death Row who the F cares these people don't deserve shit
Jonatahn14 6 months ago
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@DrunkXpunk87 u have a lot of learning to do. murder means killing an innocent person. im not insulted by u, bc u are not learnd . how are u going to be all "compassionate" for murderers yet be obsessed with white power? maybe you just want to let white power murderers go, i see.
Rachulie 6 months ago
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Rachulie 6 months ago
@DrunkXpunk87 yah, bc that can happen. screw responsibility i guess. u think casey anthony could be "rehabilitated" ??? no
Rachulie 6 months ago
Let the punishment fit the crime.
zadeh79 6 months ago
@ 4:00 horrible sound !
LegionCWAM 6 months ago
Under no circumstances is the death penalty the right move. It's unjustified, hypocritical, primitive, more expensive than imprisonment, and it has killed many innocent people. Nobody can take someone else's life away.
@ RABOD "Thou shalt not commit murder." If you do commit murder, we'll kill you in return. It's okay if you do it first.
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jjtyler21 7 months ago
@jjtyler21 "Nobody can take someones life away". Ok yet the murdurer has a right too. Thats hippocritical. Not the death penalty
1tacoman17 6 months ago
@1tacoman17 The murderer doesn't have the right. He steps outside of his station and power when he does so. It would be hypocritical for the state to step out of its station, role, and power to kill him.
jjtyler21 6 months ago
@jjtyler21 the state has a right to kill a mudurer. They kill people, they kill them. AN eye for an eye
1tacoman17 6 months ago
@1tacoman17 "An eye for an eye makes the world blind." - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. The state does NOT have the right to kill anyone, and nothing in the world can change that. "Thou shalt not murder" - The Bible (if you're religious). It does not say "thou shalt not murder unless he did it first."
jjtyler21 6 months ago
@jjtyler21 Somehow I knew you were going to qoute Gandhi. But nobody can back that qoute up as it just sounds fancy and it doesnt even work for an argument. The bible says thou shall not murder. There is a difference between stopping more murders and murdering. The bible doesnt say you cant murder but go ahead because noone should be allowed to execute you anyway :P.
1tacoman17 6 months ago
@1tacoman17 It does work for the argument. An eye for an eye is the same as revenge. Revenge makes things worse. Two wrongs don't make a right. The bible does say you can't murder (commandment and other places). As for the prevention of murder, life sentence is cheaper and prevents further homicide on the part of the murderer in jail. Your claim that my quote cannot be backed up is equally valid for your quote. How would you propose to back that up?
jjtyler21 6 months ago
@jjtyler21 Killing a mudurer isnt a wrong though. I havent researched how much the death penalty costs but I know its the right thing to do is to put a mudurer to death. They DESERVE it. It wouldnt cost as much simply to put a bullet in their head but people like you would calll that inhumane right? We shouldnt let mudurers of scott free. Prison is nice, free cable, a workout room, a library, and 3 square meals a day, all for free on the tax payer's dollar. Its not logical-
1tacoman17 6 months ago
@jjtyler21 to say putting someone in jail for 50 something years or more or less depending on the person would cost less than simply killing them. If one of your family members was murdered you wouldnt want the guy put in prison for life. Your just being hippocritical.
1tacoman17 6 months ago
@1tacoman17 not in american prisons, they are too nice here. it's not punishment at all to watch tv while ur victim's fam is suffering every day for the rest of their lives.
Rachulie 6 months ago
@Rachulie Ikr thats what ive been saying.
1tacoman17 6 months ago
@1tacoman17 If one of my family members is murdered, I would want to know why he was murdered (as in, I would want to hear it from the murderer). I WOULD want to send him to jail. In some ways, jail is worse than death; you must live your whole life doing nothing but living in a small room, working, etc, and being punished. With death, you just die and it's over. Also, the Death Penalty is much more expensive than life imprisonment - deathpenalty (dot) org / article.php ? id=42
jjtyler21 6 months ago
@jjtyler21 Have you been to jail, its a lot more pleasant than it was 50 years ago. Prison is a JOKE nowadays!
BadgerCheese94 6 months ago
@BadgerCheese94 Yea, that's true. Some poor people do crimes to get into jail to have free housing and food. However, it still does keep criminals off of the street.
jjtyler21 6 months ago
@BadgerCheese94 everything is a lot more pleasant that it was 50 years ago! how do you know it's SO pleasant, have you been to prison?
meggatonman 6 months ago
@meggatonman LOL and prison is so actulay really not that bad. You dont have to even been in a prison to know this. You get free meals, free cable, a free workout room, a free library, plenty of time to yourself, and much more.
1tacoman17 6 months ago
@1tacoman17 yes, let's withdraw their food, sedate them, keep them in their rooms and throw away the key, that will really 'cure' them. The main reason criminals commit crime after they've been released from prison is because they're not rehabilitated, which needs to be done! Let's just kill them all right?!
meggatonman 6 months ago
@meggatonman No I never said all crinimals. We need to try and rehibilitate the other ones. But I think we should put rapists, mudurers, child molesters to death. The reason most crinimals commite crimes once they are released is because they havent been punished. They just have it easy in prison. Prison shouldnt have cable, a free library, more work, and worse food. Its only fair. And we need to have stricter punishments for repeat offenders.
1tacoman17 6 months ago
@meggatonman No but I know people that have and they don't even care if they go to prison.
BadgerCheese94 6 months ago
@1tacoman17 How would you or I think if one of your or my family members were murdered? I don't know it's never happened to either you or me, don't be so quick to judge!
meggatonman 6 months ago
@meggatonman I would think this guy needs to be put to death for killing someone. Simple as that.
1tacoman17 6 months ago
@1tacoman17 i would like to think i'd be better than that than to wish a death on anybody. By your logic also, every murder should be put to death.
meggatonman 6 months ago
@meggatonman Yes every mudurer should be put to death.
1tacoman17 6 months ago
@1tacoman17 There were 17,034 murders in the United States in 2006, you're suggesting we execute that many people yearly?!?
meggatonman 6 months ago
@meggatonman there were 17, 034 murder victims and families harmed in 2006. You suggest that we just let that happen?!?
1tacoman17 6 months ago
@1tacoman17 of course not, that is staggeringly high in the USA which still has the dealth penalty and other developed nations, who have banned it, it's far lower. there are many many tried and tested ways to lower that rather than doubling the murder rate by killing someone who has killed. To me that says the death penalty doesn't work, other methods do.
meggatonman 6 months ago
@meggatonman Yes lets take away capital punishment that will stop mudurers. Maybe its just the US is full of bad people? Hmm?
1tacoman17 6 months ago
@1tacoman17 No. My point is that the USA has proportionaly as many 'bad' people as any other developed nation. The point is we (europe) don't execute people, we've found many other better and more progressive ways to deal with crime. We deal with the root causes of crime.
meggatonman 6 months ago
@meggatonman uh sure, I don't see anything wrong with it.
BadgerCheese94 6 months ago
If a person forcibly takes away the rights of another person (through murder, rape, taking hostage, etc.), then I believe that person, once tried, should have their rights taken away, too, by the government. You steal a shirt from a store, you pay a fine & possible jail time. You steal someone's life? You should pay with your own life. As the Bible says, "thou shalt not commit murder."
RABOD 7 months ago
Any idea who the little girl was at 2:12 and the young boy at 2:17? What about the teen at 2:26 and the young lady at 2:33? Seeing their pictures is heartbreaking and very angering.
By the way, it is so obvious to me that murderers should be put to death. They should be hanged publicly.
koyunbaba73 7 months ago
@Obamain2012 That's ok. I'm not trying to convince you to be pro-death penalty. What is important to me is that you do not claim that your anti-death penalty position is rooted in religious tradition.
koyunbaba73 7 months ago
@Obamain2012 The death penalty is sanctioned by the world's major religions. It is the only commandment that appears in each of the first 5 books of the Bible. "Thou shalt not kill" is a mistranslation, the commandment is actually "Thou shalt not murder". The difference between kill and murder is that while killing is the taking of a life, murder is the taking of an innocent life. The 3 Abrahamic religions call for the killing of a murderer.
koyunbaba73 7 months ago
@DrunkXpunk87 so just let them sit in prison forever? then they die. isn't that just like a prolonged death penalty? look up the definition of murder btw. seems like ppl dont know what it really means. and in religion it means to kill an innocent person. u give up ur rights when u commit a crime, correct? it's like saying taking me to jail for robbing a bank is unjust. no, because i chose to give up my right to freedom. think about it.
Rachulie 7 months ago
@fortuna068 i agree that it's much worse to spend time in prison for the rest of ur life, but u have to think about the money it costs. which is, to be honost, a waste because they aren't getting out. it's like the death penalty but just a prolonged death penalty.
Rachulie 7 months ago
have we forgotten that these people GAVE UP their rights when they chose to do these things to others? why are people obsessed with making the world cute and sweet for those who don't deserve it? it's not "murder" when they are guilty. they GAVE UP THEIR RIGHTS.
Rachulie 7 months ago
Murder is not evil. It is evil by the choice who does it. If murder is evil, then why do we train soldiers to, in a sense, annihilate forces that threaten our country? Murder is a tool -- the wielder's intent is the one that makes a difference.
TheSesela 8 months ago
Its totally badass
ArcticInfinity 8 months ago
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NO SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and Timothy McVeigh ect. got what they deserved yes killing a human is wrong but tell that to the disembowel human remains of the victim and the family.What about the victim when they cried out telling him to stop what did he do? I'm for the death penalty but only in killing or rape cases with fair trials and proof of guilt .
bishop51807 8 months ago
Murdering is wrong so why is it right to murder a murderer?
lolasorocks10 8 months ago
@lolasorocks10 because murder is killing an innocent person. ...
Rachulie 7 months ago
Continuation:
prevail - it codifies the taking of innocent life by not making the murderer forfeit their own guilty life. Mercy grants value to the life of a killer, while, at the same time, it strips away the value of the life of the innocent victim. It makes the life of a killer more important than the life of an innocent. It is thus a trade of the good to the evil. It is the victory of death over life.
CAN YOU DENY THAT?
TheSesela 8 months ago
@Con-Death Penalty. I have something to say. If there is someone who deserves death penalty, it would be murderers.
There is no greater value than life - and that's what you partially recognize by your confused notion of granting mercy. A murderer, by his own choice to kill, forfeits the right to his own life. Their conscious, deliberate act of murder takes the irreplaceable value of life from another. Mercy for such evil is nothing short of excusing it and thus allowing evil to
TheSesela 8 months ago
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any argument for the death penalty is utter clown shoes. first of all on a moral stand point besides anything else you cannot set the example that murder is wrong by killing a person. A further reason perhapse the most important a miscarage of justice is a little hard to appologise for and I would rather see every single criminal set free than risk that one person be murdered for a crime they did not commit. The last person ever to be executed in britain has since been pardoned. ern sorry
snappingturtle101 9 months ago
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any argument for the death penalty is utter clown shoes. first of all on a moral stand point besides anything else you cannot set the example that murder is wrong by killing a person. A further reason perhapse the most important a miscarage of justice is a little hard to appologise for and I would rather see every single criminal set free than risk that one person be murdered for a crime they did not commit. The last person ever to be executed in britain has since been pardoned. ern sorry
snappingturtle101 9 months ago
any argument for the death penalty is utter clown shoes. first of all on a moral stand point besides anything else you cannot set the example that murder is wrong by killing a person. A further reason perhapse the most important a miscarage of justice is a little hard to appologise for and I would rather see every single criminal set free than risk that one person be murdered for a crime they did not commit. The last person ever to be executed in britain has since been pardoned. ern sorry
snappingturtle101 9 months ago
any argument for the death penalty is utter clown shoes. first of all on a moral stand point besides anything else you cannot set the example that murder is wrong by killing a person. A further reason perhapse the most important a miscarage of justice is a little hard to appologise for and I would rather see every single criminal set free than risk that one person be murdered for a crime they did not commit. The last person ever to be executed in britain has since been pardoned.
snappingturtle101 9 months ago
Each state is different. I am from Texas, and here, if you commit more than one crime, such as murder, rape, and kidnapping, you'll get the death penalty. If you murder someone younger than the age of six, you get the death penalty. If you murder a police officer, you get the death penalty. If you commit multiple murders, you get the death penalty. Texas, California, and Florida are the states that use capital punishment the most.
jacobbis4lovers 9 months ago
Um, I don't think you have the rights to use that music...
sney23 9 months ago
Meh, don't kill those criminals. Too easy on them.
Just throw them in a metal cage for the rest of their life, on a diet of beans, rice, and fish eyeballs.
Mectrixctic 9 months ago
Great video :)
sXeCanadianBoy 9 months ago
If the slaughter of innocents is punishible by death then those responsible should suffer the consequence sof falsly convicted felons, tried and executed. The Judge the jury the attornee and the regular staff that adminster the lethal injections in these cases should be tried and executed. Any Law institution does not have the right to hand out death penalties only to be exempt from the same penalty themselves. A mandertory death penalty then for judges and others who put innocents to death.
jethrose 9 months ago
if those reponsible for sending innocents to death were brought to justice and condemed to death. Then I am all for the death penaltiy .Why should unmittigated slaughter of life be tolerated in the courthouses. You can´t kill innocents to protect innocents from killing innocent people & what will you say on the day of reckoning at St Petersgate will you walk into the garden of light? No you will be cast out & thrown into the pits of filth from whence you came wailiing and gnashing of teeth
jethrose 9 months ago
There is only one valid reason for opposing captial punishment, and that is the possibility of an innocent person being executed. However, that risk is outweighed by the risk of innocents being murdered in the absence of capital punishment. Every other argument cited for the abolition of capital punishment is absurd on its face. The most absurd of all arguments is that it is not compassionate to put murderers to death and that abolishing capital punishment would be compassionate.
koyunbaba73 10 months ago
Death Penalty is bad.
1 innocent person executed is 1 too many.
MrWsad 10 months ago
@MrWsad no 1 guilty person not getting what they deserve is what is unacceptable kill them all i'll take the risk.
Grimwed 9 months ago
Death accompanied with UNIMAGINABLE torture for these bastards.
ricktheroll1 10 months ago
I don't think Radiohead would approve
sgilly200 10 months ago
GREAT VIDEO!!!! I HOPE YOU GOT AN A+ ON YOUR ASSIGNMENT!!!!!! =-)
BOOBABYJLG 10 months ago
@fasfsdfasd Look it up. Multiple sources show that the homicide rates are higher in states that use the death penalty to those that don't. Even country wise it's a fact. USA has one of the highest homicide rates out there and we're one of the only civilized countries that still use the death penalty. The ones that don't are considerably lower. Is this a complete concidence? Possibly, but I don't think so.
huffnat 10 months ago
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kristiannamae 11 months ago
@fasfsdfasd apparently not since the states that do have the death penalty have higher homicide rates than those that don't.
huffnat 11 months ago
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kristiannamae 11 months ago
@kristiannamae if you give them the pain they gave the victim; that makes you just as bad as they are.
huffnat 11 months ago
nadine bernard was not given the death penalty , but life in prison..
Jolinator 11 months ago
you sure the first mugshot is correct? sure doesnt look like a photo taken in 1905!
Jolinator 11 months ago
most murderers who get life in prison,do not feel guilty or carry guilt with them for very long!they r rewarded with a good life in prison,food,school,college,and programs they attend!
gurlinluv16 11 months ago
Lethal Injection has no proof of causing pain to the ones being executed!Even if there was proof of causing pain with lethal injection,who gives a dam?Someone that was beaten to death,or tortured and then murdered,being stabbed to death,strangled to death,or any other kinds of murder victims,felt pain,felt helpless,and felt scared!So the ones who r being executed by lethal injection r being killed the easy way! I DO SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY 100%!
gurlinluv16 11 months ago
Here's what we need to do, we need to alter the constitution to say that those found guilty of murder or a sex offense will only be eligible for the death penalty by hanging or burial alive (states choice)
Draneies 11 months ago
@Draneies no that's barbaric!
huffnat 11 months ago
@fasfsdfasd And i would go bear witness to the scenes you would show me i would pray for the dead and not add to them. Death is an escape form the consequences of their actions i would not let them go so easily. The justice/vengence did not help the pain for me, it was as a hollow distraction in the face of grief. i regret that it took the life of both my sister and her murderer to make me see this. God go with you.
DecksYourSystem 11 months ago
@fasfsdfasd Actually yes i do want them to live i want them to come to realise what they did was wrong. I them want to feel guilt and shame about what they have done and the pain they have caused. No amount of killing will bring a person back to life, i don't believe that it becomes ok to kill someone because they have killed another person. If this makes me a sadist and supporter of murderers as you say then i ask you what punishment would you hand down to me? am i guilty of murder by neglect?
DecksYourSystem 11 months ago
if you have a death sentance available in your legal system sooner or later you will execute a someone who is not guilty of the crimes that they have been found guilty of, so i feel one should weigh weather the potential to scare other would be murders justifies the potential killing of an innocent person.
DecksYourSystem 11 months ago
@DecksYourSystem thats not true. they go through so much before they kill someone. im 100% sure no one has been wrongfully accused.
hmoshref 10 months ago
@hmoshref im afraid you are mistaken since the uk stopped using the death sentance, over 60 people have been found to have been wrongfully executed and we averged a much lower exercution rate than the us, now considering the united states executed 44 people in 2010 and 1242 since 1976 its likely some of these people where wrongfully executed. Of course i supose the judicial system in the us could be lot better than ours and you pick out more errors but i have my doubts.
DecksYourSystem 10 months ago
@DecksYourSystem ya your right, my bad i did some research, but that was quit some time ago before dna and forensic evidence was really used. there just going back and finding out that wait, we did kill that guy even though he is not guilty. so yes in the past there have been mistakes. but capital punishment is defently right when it comes to serial killers. if i could prove that some person killed and raped 6 people do you think its best to keep them in jail? for life?
hmoshref 10 months ago
FANATASTIC VIDEO THOSE AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY ARE AS BAD AS THE COLD BLOODED MURDERERS ON THIS VIDEO! THEY GAVE UP THERE HUMAN RIGHTS WHEN THEY KILL AN INNOCENT PERSON
whorelix 11 months ago
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@fasfsdfasd Because you're making shit up. Racist.
wikuk 11 months ago
I think Electricution and Lethal Is WRONG,Due To The Fact It Cost ALOT Of MONEY, ( personally I dont give a shit if it's painful )BUT! I Believe That There Should Only Be Executed If The Case Was 90%+ Sure that The Defendent Did Do The Crime,And That They Should NOT Be In Prison.They Should Be In A Small Place ( Safe And Secured ) For Their Family To Spend Their Last Time With Them For Two Weeks,Then They Should Be Executed By A Bullet,Less Money,Less Painful,Less Tax.
srong12 11 months ago
@fasfsdfasd Oh, so you're racist too! Wish you lived in Germany 1940, do you?
wikuk 11 months ago
Yawn... where's Bush's sentence, hmmm?
Fede17 11 months ago
@fasfsdfasd Oh so it's you who made that drastically drop of the U.S.'s average IQ...
wikuk 11 months ago
death penalties should only exist , for those who support death sentences !
antonkhuu 11 months ago
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SkitzoMultiple 1 year ago
There are other heinous crimes that call for execution-rape, plane hijacking, treason, attempted murder, attempted terrorism, ect. As you can seem,the "killing for killing" argument gets old fast.
ma7799 1 year ago
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America is the most disgusting nation on Earth/
scombey 1 year ago
You have to support killing innocent people in order to support the death penalty due to natural errors - This makes you even worse than what you hate since you are supporting a literal death machine that will perpetually kill innocents until it's abolished by those who don't want to take the risk anymore.
It's one of the worst things you can support considering the level of dehumanization involved.
eternallord 1 year ago
@eternallord
No, proponents of the death penalty do NOT support the execution of innocents. If you are worried about innocent people being executed, do not convict innocent people.
ma7799 1 year ago
1. Basically, from what I understand of followers of the death penalty: taking a life on purpose for any circumstance is wrong, right?
2. Fine. Murder the murderers. But oops! Now the person who killed the murderer is a murderer also. Kill him! Oh darn! Now the person who killed him is a murderer as well.
So, I bet right now anyone who agreed with the first point has decided to disagree with the second point, correct? Either the rule can be applied universally or it shouldn't be applied at all.
SlytherinDeity 1 year ago
@SlytherinDeity Nobody thinks that taking a life on purpose for any circumstance is wrong. Namely, justifiable homicide (killing in self-defense) is just that: justifiable. That's not murder. Hell, they should be rewarded for their actions. Also, capital punishment is not murder, since murder is defined as "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought". Since capital punishment is lawful, it can't be murder. Also, read the 5th Amendment to the Constitution.
Cosmo1093 1 year ago
@Cosmo1093
I'll pass on the reading. American literature is not my forte. I follow Canadian law.
SlytherinDeity 1 year ago
@SlytherinDeity The reason I brought that up is because people can lose any right - with due process of law.
Cosmo1093 1 year ago
@Cosmo1093
What's the point of even having RIGHTS if they can be taken away? A right is something that you are entitled to. If it can be taken away, it's not a right - It's a privilege.
SlytherinDeity 1 year ago
@SlytherinDeity Rights are definite unless you commit a crime to lose them. The 5th Amendment to the Constitution outlines that no one can "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Also, do you think someone who has deprived another of their right to life should retain theirs? Hell, capital punishment defends the right to life by punishing those who violate the right to life.
Cosmo1093 1 year ago
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@Cosmo1093
Then they shouldn't be called rights. And yes, I do believe everyone should be entitled to life regardless of how horrible their crime. There are much better ways to deal with them than kill them. Furthermore, can you not think for yourself? Is the "5th Amendment to the Constitution" your bible?
SlytherinDeity 1 year ago
I'm for the death penalty. I don't care who you are but if you murdered someone then you should be murdered, it's no question. I don't know about rape but MURDER is taking someone's life away, why shouldn't your life be thrown away as well? Forget prison, MURDER THE FUCKING PERSON THAT MURDERED ANOTHER.
chocolatemilkyum 1 year ago
I am 100% for the death penalty and it needs to be carried out more often.
ma7799 1 year ago
retreating awqay
Beastajg 1 year ago
How dare you vile creatures who are sympathetic to these murdering subhuman beasts use the Ten Commandments to spit in the face of crime victims. The sixth commandment in its original Hebrew says "thou shalt not murder". The Old Testament is very clear in differentiating between criminal homicide and legal, just execution. In fact, God DEMANDS that murderers be put to death. Read Genesis 9:6, "whosoever sheds the blood of man, by man must his blood be shed." We DO have that right.
OlympicLeprechaun 1 year ago
Stop the US social cleansing. America needs to get out of the dark ages and refrain from being Nazis. Embrace life not death.
cnavaro88 1 year ago
@cnavaro88 That's about as idiotic a statement as I've ever heard an anti-capital punishment person make. Let me ask you something. The 2 murderers in Connecticut, who beat up a family, raped the mother and the 18 and 11 years old daughters, set them on fire and then murdered them...do you think that they should be allowed to live? Let's lay our cards on the table. I think every breath of air that these 2 lowlifes get to breath is an obscenity. Still think executing murderers is being a nazi?
koyunbaba73 1 year ago
@koyunbaba73
Should they be ALLOWED to live?
Who the hell do you think gave you, or anyone else, the right to decide who is allowed to live or not? Being alive is a God given right. Take it away, or support anyone who takes it away, and you burn in Hell.
cnavaro88 1 year ago
@cnavaro88 It's fine with me if you want to bring God into it. The biblical imperative that murderers are to be put to death is found in each of the first 5 books of the bible. No other law is given such reinforcement. It's not a right to decide that murderers are to be executed, it is a commandment. You don't know what you're talking about.
koyunbaba73 1 year ago
@koyunbaba73
Maybe you should read the TEN COMMANDMENTS. 'Thou Shall Not Kill'. This is a direct order not to kill another man from God himself. Only God has that right. Those who execute and those who support execution will burn in Hell. You are a vile murderer and have no place in God's Kingdom.
cnavaro88 1 year ago
@cnavaro88 i agree you should never kill if nobody killed execution or other vile acts wouldnt be necessary
shadowmireify 1 year ago
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FireyFiringFire 1 year ago
@FireyFiringFire its only more expensive because of all the appeals anti-capitals made. If you really think supporting someone for life is less expensive then a bullet in the head or a shot, thats just silly. The only real problem with the death penalty is that innocent people might die. Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather have life in prison rather then the system we have now, but conceptually the death penalty would save money, its just all the legal crap that gets in the way.
achilles6822 1 year ago
Looking at America from Europe it seems it's the same conservative 'christians' who rallies against abortion, that cry loudest for death penalty. You are worse than Taliban when it comes to double standards!
Topographer 1 year ago
If we could just see on a person before they commit a hideous crime that they would, we could wipe them out without them causing any harm. On an infant this is impossible, and I guess that's where the idea of "Pro life + Pro death penalty" comes from.
Even when a child grows older it's usually very difficult to see what path they will choose, you will only get a quick hint. Could it be right to wipe them out as well? Children? is it more or less murder than abortion?
This is the gray zone
KingLucas01 1 year ago
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FireyFiringFire 1 year ago
@FireyFiringFire That's not what I meant, but I understand why this is hard to see.
Even children have minds beyond our understanding, some of them even dangerous. I know people must've been able to see this.
If we could actually work out and see when a child, or adult or whatever, have chosen a path that is generally viewed as a "bad" one, why is it wrong to stop the hideous actions before they occur? The ONLY difficult thing here is actually KNOWING that a crime will be commited.
KingLucas01 1 year ago
To the simply amoral and logical being, there are few arguments against the death penalty. But man is more than that; man is a moral being with love and a sense of morality. It is our duty as human beings to follow our inner feelings.
Tolibury 1 year ago
I do believe that all crimes deserve punishment, for they are wicked, but I believe that this punishment is not for us to give, and, furthermore, the person is punished with unhappiness and shame enough. We should not strive to create vengeance, but rather to uncover the good within us all.
Tolibury 1 year ago
All people deserve life. While these criminals are depraved, evil, and wicked, we are not given a right to kill them; that is simply a reaction of vengeance. We have all sinned, and should understand that these people feel the greatest horror in their soul. Murderers seem always impassive because they have fled from their inner guilt and built a wall of impassivity. It is the duty of every moral being to understand this depth within us all, and reach out to the good within.
Tolibury 1 year ago
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bbbbenk5 1 year ago
LOL
johnnyl33tsauce 1 year ago
I believe the way the kill them is wrong, its not an instant death and they might have moments of suffering and long periods of waiting to see what might happen to them. Im for the death penalty but I think it should be gone about differently
MyYearTheDreamer 1 year ago
@MyYearTheDreamer and your point is? do you think they let their victims have a quick and easy punishment? heck no! there victims death is 20 times the death they will suffer. im all for forgivness but there's some cases that are so sick that the offender should be put through excruciating pain and suffering.
JrdnSn 1 year ago
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FireyFiringFire 1 year ago
@FireyFiringFire why are you sticking up for people who have ruined an innocent persons life and their whole families lives?
JrdnSn 1 year ago
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FireyFiringFire 1 year ago
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@MyYearTheDreamer There's absolutely no proof of any excruciating pain. There is certain drugs that put the inmate to sleep, then stop the breathing, then the heart, in that order. Even if there is any pain, I don't think it's a big deal. Get the hell over it. They obviously did something heinous and serious enough to be punishable by death, however painful that death may be.
bbbbenk5 1 year ago