Bach - Bwv1067 Orchestral Suite - 05 - Polonaise

[Kobzar3374]

Siempre ha sido una de mis obras preferidas de Bach, una de las primeras que escuché, no sólo de Bach, sino de toda la música clásica. Cuando tenía 8 años, escuchaba por la radio un programa de Elicio Dómbriz, sobre animales, y la sintonía incluía esta "Polonesa" y la "Badinerie". Después, incluso en las épocas en las que estuve más lejos de Bach (pues ha habido épocas para todo, por desgracia), seguía adorando esta música y me preguntaba por qué no sería así todo lo que Bach escribió…

[HerrKrask]

Lol the old man is just like one of those goofy college professors. <3

[BokBokChop]

Love the Koopman glare at 1:02 just before he throws his harpsichord at you for playing out of time.

[1953mrjulio]

Música que solo escuchamos nosotros los dioses, los que no tenemos pecado y estamos sin mancha y sin arruga.

[falck123]

me duele la mano

[series9020]

フルートが主役！



[stargirlsusan]

could someone tell me what is this whole piece called bwv1067, because is not a concerto, nor cantata. I want to know what to call it, it sounds like little segments of music, i dont know if they share a theme

[dalmacietis]

@stargirlsusan

It's an 'orchestral suite' as in the title ;)

I think all they share is the key.

[stargirlsusan]

@dalmacietis So it's just random themes, like for example in a concerto there is alegro and then slow part and then the last part is more like the first, So do suites have a structure of fast and slow? or are they just a collection of little pieces? (sorry i dont use a musical language, i dont know much)

[dalmacietis]

@stargirlsusan Well, each piece/dance in a suite has a certain tempo. For example, Sarabande and Polonaise are slow but Courante and Gigue are fast. Usually, a suite starts with a Prelude (in two parts, slow-fast) and ends with a Gigue or other fast dance. The order inbetween is pretty much random :P

[tristan01101]

The violinists and the flutist look dead.

[paganininicco]

total lacking of the true rythm....just steady, go to Poland please and dance with the countrymen

[snakez05]

Ton Koopman reminds me of Doctor Nitrus Brio from the game Crash bandicoot

[beagle050]

@snakez05 lol Best comment/observation ever. :D

[roygbiv330]

were their instruments the same ones at that time?

[Nostrum84]

@roygbiv330

Sure. Flutes, cellos, violins, harpsichords, all instruments of that time. Even the carpets and the furniture are from grandma :)

[Nostrum84]

aaah i watch the very first second over and over :D looks like batman's flying towards the harpsichord to playfully beat the crap out of it and make it spit out the most beautiful melodies!

[tasteism]

Ton Koopman may be a good harpsichordist, but he ruins every performance with his very odd movements.

[XxTyleRKtpQxX]

I think he really feels the music. Which is what makes him a good musician... His "odd" movements, seem to be him keeping the time like a good conductor...

This is just my opinion, and everyone is entitled to there own. Also... When I watch this, he remind me of a mad villain. It just adds so much more effect to this piece. I can really bring myself to another world while listening to it.

[tasteism]

@XxTyleRKtpQxX Ok, that may be so. But it's better only to listen to such a musician than to watch him playing.

[snakez05]

@tasteism he is enthusiastic

[RaindropCantabile]

I love the harpsichordist : )

[atoomdas]

This suite is probably my favorite composition, mos def! Truly perfection.

[jscamach]

why i cant see this video?

[laresoldo39]

Sickness!!!

[RDCKM]

goodflo911 and mlutheri1 ..... GET A ROOM!

[vloselame]

maravilhoso

[tubonianflute]

I actually felt this! Wow, it takes talent to touch someone.

10/5 starts

[LedZeppelin0184]

Comments fight!!! XD

[ThorSpirit]

hey ladies, stop handbag fighting and listen to the music, its greater than both of you put together.

[morgenstern8888]

hahahahahahahahaha. I laughed so hard reading "stop handbag fighting and listen to the music. I love it!!

[potette2406]

I joined our school orchestra. Me on harpsichord cos I have ben playing piano for 9-10 years. Unfortunately, my sight reading sucks, and I feel like an idiot. We are doing this piece. Everyone must think I suck, when actually I am good if I can sit down and have a good look at a piece of music. Oh well. I like this piece! It is very nice.

[zerogravity121]

1:01 why does musicians playing good music often have a wierd look , but thats cool

[wcbroccoli]

Why do some people listening to good music often post weird comments and misspell?

[Zaratrutska]

The flute man pratcically plays only the

melody..the anothers one to fill the music.....

[spinoza1111]

Yes, the flute carries the melody. But in a concerto, the soloist usually plays a countersubject, doesn't he? The flute is more like a first violin.

I am not a musicologist and as such I would accept a correction as to Bach's intentions. More as an amateur historian, I'd say that Frederick II, as opposed to Louis XIV of some years early, didn't ask his musician to make him the "star". Frederick more self-effacing.

Of course, maybe Bach didn't write this for Fred the Great.

[wcbroccoli]

This is suite of dances, not a concerto.

The Polonaise was a stately dance popular in the 18th c.

In the A and B sections, theme is in the flute, which is doubled an 8ve lower by

the 1st violins. In the C section (the "Double"), the theme is taken over by cello.

This suite may have been written around 1717 when Bach was capellmeister at the court of Prince Leopold. In 1717, Frederick II was around 5 years old

[spinoza1111]

The main part of this Polonaise is a very well behaved *Totentanz* or dance of death. Then, in the middle part, what the hell is that called in a dance of this form, the flautist gets one of the few star turns Bach affords him, with the bass keeping him honest.

I see Frederick after the battle with his aides following him, and after them, Death. For as that philosophic monarch said to his men, "would you live forever?"

[oshidonimlop]

the middle part is the double.I agree with you fully

[ormonclark]

I have been told that this piece is from suite no 2.

Which is correct 2 or 5?

[byronic80]

It is from number two, but it is its fifth movement.

[Allondradg]

beautiful (L) i love this music

[hairymanrn]

I really like the cello part in the middle. Good execution IMHO

[hairymanrn]

P.S. Koopman's facial expressions are great LOL

[padrecicero]

amazing piano

[scoobyswimmer]

I think that's a harpcicord.

[sepa1989]

you're right, that's it ^^ Oh, I really need one... xD I just love that instrument...

[shadowdashx]

i need a real harpsichord!!XP

[ateistbaba]

Perfect!

Very sensitive,thanks for share...

[mysterius21]

muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuito bom!!!!!

=]

[GrandPatzer]

The harpischord makes such a faint noise compared to the piano... Is it used ,ostly as an accompanying instrument?

[fre3d0m]

the harpsichord sound has a percussive effect to unify the the rhythm of the baroque orchestra and players use it the harpsichord to play together. Of course you can note the additional role of the harpsichordist that is similar to a conductor. The harpsichordist uses body gestures to communicate musicality, entries and ends.

Appreciate the harpsichord more! Don't just say it makes such faint noise compared to the piano..... :)

[OPHYCLIDE]

As Proffesor Bruce Wood says.

Sometimes Harpsichordists have a terrible tendency to "bugger about" instead of playing what is on the written page.

[wcbroccoli]

There's nothing on the written page except the bass line and figures from which the player is supposed to *improvise* a suitable accompaniment, just as Dr. Koopman is doing !!!

[OPHYCLIDE]

There's no "improvisation" needed.

The figures tell you exactly what you need to do.

[wcbroccoli]

The figures tell you what notes are in the chord, but they don't tell you how to play them. If you only listen to Koopman's realization in this recording, you can hear that he's not just playing one block chord after another. I suggest you read something on the subject of continuo realization before you think you know it all.

[OPHYCLIDE]

My dear chap, I've been playing Harpsichord in a small chamber orchestra for some 10 years now.

From your comments it's clear that it is you who have no idea of the subject matter.

The original, valid point, is that far too many harpsichordists feel it neccesary to overly deccorate a work, constantly thrusting themselves into the limelight.

What they fail to realise is that ultimately, less is more.

[wcbroccoli]

My comments are valid.

Contrary to your simplistic comments, the figures do NOT tell you exactly what you need to do.

The figures tell you only what notes make up the chord, not how to play them.

You need only listen to Koopman's continuo realizations to grasp this. Or read the accounts of Bach's realizations.

Of course, a mediocre player should always keep it simple, as I'm sure you do.

[OPHYCLIDE]

On the contrary, a good artist knows when and not to fiddle around. Harpsichordists in general seem to hold the incorrect assumption that they are somehow the "star of the show". In reality, they are their to provide a bedrock to the work and to augment the other players efforts.

However, your comments are pretty standard from the repetoir of the "look at me" brigade...

[wcbroccoli]

A good artist knows when to "fiddle around." That's why he's called an "artist". That's the distinction between a craftsman like you and an artist like Koopman.

I have no idea what you mean by "your comments are pretty standard from the repetoir of the "look at me" brigade... "

My comment that "the figures tell you only what notes make up the chord, not how to play them" is accurate.

[goodflo911]

upload some of your stuff wcbroccoli, since you indirectly imply with this comment that you are good. Let's hear it!

[mlutheri1]

Irrelevant.

You don't have to be a continuo player to know that Ophyclide's claim that no improvisation is needed because the figures tell you exactly what you need to do is naive. If he really believes that, he must be a mediocre continuo player.

As wcbroccoli correctly stated, the figures tell you only what notes make up the chord, not how to play them.

FYI, your "indirectly imply" is redundant. The word "imply" already means "to express indirectly."

[goodflo911]

I'm aware of the redundance, but there is also overstating, thank you for being pedantic though. I would just like to be treated on some music!

[mlutheri1]

What disingenuous bullshit.

If you were aware of the redundancy, then why did you type it in the first place? Was it a typo? Did your fingers accidentally stumble over the letters i-n-d-i-r-e-c-t-l-y?

Correcting bad grammar might be bad manners, but it's not "pedantic."

And asking to be treated to some music on YouTube is like being in a library and asking to be treated to some books.

You're as clueless about the controversy as you are about the meanings of "imply" and "pedantic".

[goodflo911]

I guess your grammar isn't as good as your ability to see and recognize style. I wonder if tells something of your abilities as a musician as well. Trolling baroque music vids for grammar.. *cough*pedantic*cough*

''And asking to be treated to some music on YouTube is like being in a library and asking to be treated to some books. ''

Again faulty reasoning on your part. An accurate analogy:

I am in a library, some person says another person is a bad writer. I ask this person for his writing.

[mlutheri1]

"Indirectly imply" and "see and recognize" are evidence of bad grammar, not "style".

Calling you on bad grammar is not "trolling."

An example of "trolling" is your irrelevant comment to wcbroccoli. Whether or not he uploads some of his "stuff" has no bearing whatsoever on the validity of his comments about figured bass realization. He doesn't have to be a musician to know that the figures tell you only what notes make up the chord, not how to play them.

[mlutheri1]

My analogy was apt.

Yours is deeply flawed.

People do use YouTube to upload & discuss personal videos, but they don't use libraries to submit or discuss writing samples. Aside from the library location being irrelevant to the scenario of your analogy, what would be the point of asking him for a writing sample? He doesn't have to be a good writer to spot bad writing. He doesn't even have to be a writer.

As for my abilities as a musician, how is this relevant?

[banjodeluxe]

@mlutheri1 the only thing more fun to watch on youtube than the videos, is the pretentious twat wars! keep going you guys!

[wcbroccoli]

In your case, I imagine that more would be less.

[OPHYCLIDE]

"In your case, I imagine that more would be less. "

Resorting to personal snipes? Well, we can view this in one of two ways;

a) Two points to you.

b) You're losing the argument.

I'm not going to allow myself to be drawn into an electronic bun fight with an "internet warrior".

Pathetic.

[wcbroccoli]

What? You patronize me with you condescending "my dear chap" and then accuse me of sniping?

Exactly what argument am I supposedly losing?

My comments are accurate in every respect.

[wcbroccoli]

Excuse me.

All I said was, "There's nothing on the written page except the bass line and figures from which the player is supposed to *improvise* a suitable accompaniment, just as Dr. Koopman is doing !!! "

My statement is completely accurate

and indisputable.

Only a pathetic "internet warrior" would attempt to dispute it.

I suppose in your case the continuo part is already realized on the page.

[tamakisa]

i love the harpsichord!! *_*

[oscarinpun77]

beautiful

[byronic80]

Bach is God of Music.

[flute1982]

very agree!!!

[crescentblue]

i really like baroque music.