@porsdottir There are women who have had pain free childbirths. It depends on how relaxed you are and if you have good relaxation techniques. Now, if you accept that it is going to be painful and go with it and try to relax against each contraction, it helps. I know when I started to transition, that was the hardest. Most books, like Ina May's book, describes women having excrutiating birthing experiences. But not every woman experiences the same. Laying on your back doesn't make it better
i'm 25 and i have4 children.all delivered naturally and without any pain aid or gas and air.i wudn't go as far as to say it was painless- but they were all silent births.i have realised that the more u concentrate on allowing and working with ur contractions-regardless of the pain-u actually get the baby out alot easier& smoother wid no stitches.its hard-bt over and done with faster. and regardless of ur pain-walk to get urself dialated quicker.none of my labours hav eva been more then 3 hours.
@mpd19666 ..lemme guess you're about what 15..16?honey you're obviously still a child or a very ignorant adult.i hope one day when you GROW UP you find a girl,get her pregnant and have to watch every detail about the birth
@mpd19666 ouch that's a new one...never heard that shit before..well no one wants to hear your opinion on childbirth..i mean come on,you're posting this on a video ABOUT the miracle of child birth so you're looking to argue,well i have better shit to do with my time than to talk to a little kid who wants to make internet threats.please don't respond.i won't read or reply so please dont waste your time
lets move away entierly from rape. were missing the point. I think its shockingly nieve, wrong nd downright disrepectful 2 suggest tht woman have abortions jst b/c its not suiting their current reputation or tht they think its an inconviniance..i wld say its b/c they dnt feel ready 2 deal with the massive responisibility of a dependant child or b/c they r financially unstable etc. nd jst b/c they r doing it for wht they believe 2be the right reasons doesnt mean they shld bcome emotionally void.
I'm due with my first child anyday now. I'm having a natural birth and I'm so excited." If we are to heal the planet, we must begin by healing birthing". -Agnes Sallet VonTannenberg
Im not saying baby shld pay for what dad did-but imagine how u wld feel if you found out if you were concieved because a man raped your mum...a male child cld worry that they are destined to tun into its father and a female can be terrified thats its gonna happen to her. mum shldnt be expected to give up her child either. she should have the option of being able to do anything to help her move on from such a traumatic experiance-not live with it for 9months then wonder abt her baby all her life.
But you see..most women do not have an abortion b/c they were raped...it's b/c they want out, it doesn't fit thier reputation status at the time, or it's b/c of some other reason that has to do w/the mother thinking the baby is an inconvients at that time being..not to mention the women I know who have had a abortion regret it later on & cry when the baby's "would have been birthday" comes around..you can't justify that.
@Mirani2 Very true, and I have not once said that rape is a one - way thing. I know full well that woman are capable of raping a man just as much as a man is. What I am saying is that in the case of a woman that has been raped and has found herself to be pregnant as a result of that she should be allowed the option of termination should that be what she wants to do. She should not feel like a terrible person for thinking about other options if that is what she feels best for her.
i think its apauling to expect a raped woman to continue a pregnancy with her rapists baby. Think of the trauma that has on a woman, having to relive what happened to her every day for 9 months. Not as though with a massive belly shes gonna forget in a hurry. That trauma cant be good for baby.
And at the beginning she says during the contractions its intense then u get a repreive....meaning it aint painless. These people cant be right upstairs....its just obvious its painfull!!!!
Intensity doesn't equal pain. Sex can be very very 'intense' and not be painful at all. Orgasm can take your breathe away, but is still painfree and enjoyable. And the truth of the matter is that the same body parts and hormones come into play both in sex and birth. And the same environment of privacy and promotion of relaxation is needed for both or both will turn into an painful experience. I'm expecting my 5th baby and each time I am more relaxed and have less pain from contractions.
there are many interpretations of 'intense'. each individual persons idea of intense is different from the next. sex is intense, but in an entierly different way that child birth is. people experiance different types and levels of intensities in their life time. i dont think its fair to categorise the intensity you feel during sex to that of birth as they are on two totally seperate scales. Congratulations on ur 5th child!! and i am delighted for you that you find each birth easier! good luck!
@motherwellskenco When you have a large bowel movement, its often intense but not painful. Why wouldn't you believe her? It is the same kind of function.
this video is awesome! it gives me soooooo much hope for my next birth, me and my hubby fully intend on having a uc! for those of you who dont know what that is, its an unassisted childbirth. I fully trust my body to birth my baby!
I don`t want to discourage you but why do you want an uc? I would take every help possible and not trust in any stories about chacras, everybody can easily see that this video is not very reliable. If I were you I would take every help possible, it is too late when you discover during the pain that it is too much. When I ever get a child I know already now I want to have every medication even possible and if not I don`t want any child.
well first off im a doula. i know how medication can affect not only mommy but BABY AS WELL. many medications are not necessary...just like a womans lungs know when to breath, her body knows how to give birth.
you dont see childbirth as a rite of passage and a spiritual journey, i do! and you are not discouraging me, i have had medicated hospital births, its not that fun to push on your back. its like trying to take a poop laying down, it just doesnt feel that good!
@all4youdoula84 I've had two medical childbirths and it was horrible both times. The last time, i had an epidural and it didn't work. then i got more drugs and when i had to push i couldn't feel and pushed too hard and guess what? I ended up with a protracted urethra. It sucked. Afterwards, i lost all sphinxter and urine control. However, if women want drugs, i feel like they should have that right without anyone saying no they can't. Some people just can't handle it. For me, i hate epidurals.
this video is kool! btw to the abortion talkers, if you read the bible it is murder to kill a baby. if you are raped there are many couples that want babies that cant have them, and you have to remember it takes your egg and his sperm to make a baby not just sperm, so that baby is part of you too!!
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fuck you if yr raped y shouldnt have 2 go through more truma and suffering just so another can live, that stemcells life is not more important than the mother. not only would that woman have emotional scares yr suggesting she has physical 1s 2. go to hell. fuck god hes a cunt, and dont bother spouting yr bible shit back to me, wot a tosser
Nobody has the right to intervene with someone elses right to choose..thats hypocritical to say u cant intervene with someones right to live yet to try to take away the right to choose.hypocrite...u must be christian. lol
You are totally right! That is the true meaning of prochoice "When a woman chooses to have sex, that is where she has a choice". Murder is not a choice it's a crime. 1,000's of women can't give birth it's only right to pass the child to a person who will love him/her and fulfill their purpose on earth.
PAY ATTENTION here..it says that fetuses have a RIGHT to life and a RIGHT to be loved by a GOD who created them, as well as their earthly parents! There is NO OTHER acceptable outcome to a successful conception of human life!
As a woman, I don't WANT the "choice" to murder my child or not. It's a human life we are talking about here. I'm not a god because I have a vagina and neither is any other woman.
And what about the fact that pregnant women are carrying and sustaining the foetuses with their own bodies, not viceversa, what if a woman does not want to give her body to the foetus, the foetus itself cannot sustain without the woman's body not at least within the first 12 weeks.
A newborn child can't survive on it's own. I'm not sure I would either, without other people. I realise we still live in a primitive time, where life does not have intrinsic value. I have no desire to judge anyone. It does disgust me however, that abortion is portrayed as a women's rights issue, when I feel that all people should take responsibility for those in need, children in the uterus and outside as well as the women who are pregnant against their will, for whatever reason.
Errr no, biologically speaking, you can survive on your own, while an embryo/fetus is not able to do that.
Abortion is a way to take responsibillity, it is what some ppl do not understand, and you cannot put everybody in the same box, as if all the women had sex irresponsibly and just for fun!
Because an embryo/fetus is using the woman's body in turn, it has not right to use the body of that woman against her will, anyway if you want to discuse, debate see more points, and stuff I think you should go to facebook's group "Support a woman´s right to choose"
I really can't see a baby as a parasite-like thing. A baby had nothing to do with how it got there. This is just how mammals procreate whether it's convenient or not. I'll have a look at the group though.
Women have the right to their bodies, but they don't have the right to the baby's body, even if it happens to be inside theirs. I don't think there's anything I can say to make you open enough to see it on the baby's side. I used to be pro-choise too, before I was face-to-face with a possible pregnancy.
I certainly don't feel like I have the right nor the will to choose for another being, it scares me that some people feel like they do. I would give away 9 months of my life to save yours too, if that were the circumstances.
Because nobody has the right to intervene with someone else's right to live. And yes, I have emotions, which is why I have ethical problems with issues such as this.
so what happends if a little girl gets raped and becomes pregnant but having the baby would kill her, is abortion wrong then? Im not a baby killer but if I were to become pregnant tomorrow, I choose abortion like my sister did, Im not letting a baby fuck up my future I'll have kids when I'm ready to.
In my opinion, there is no "right" answer to that question, sometimes there is only a choice. I have no desire or the right to make choices for anyone or to judge them.
All I'm saying is that *I* see no difference in the value of the life of a human being whether it is an embryo, a fetus, a newborn, a teen, an adult etc.
As for "fucking up someone's future", I understand the reality. I think it would be important to change the reality so that having a child would not do that to anyone.
silentheart218, your sister is a murderer. Cold hard truth right there, and you are a willing murderer. Nothing will ever change the fact your sister murdered another human being, but she has time to at least repent. I hope she does. Oh, and if you dont want a baby, try closing your fucking legs. Its a better option than murder. Thanks.
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and u have no rite spouting yr bible shit either!!! the bible is there to make people suffer dim wit, maybe u should open yr legs and enjoy yr life and stop makings other shit with yr crap, GOD dam fucking JESUS bulshit BIBLE RUBBISH.
It is not the little girl's fault if she gets raped of course. How old is this little girl? It is for sure not the baby's fault either. I wouldn't deny the baby life. I would have the baby and give it up for adoption. I know someone who got raped and that's what she is doing.
IntIIslamicPeace, I like your comment, but we were only talking about the birthing process, although what you said is absolutely true about bringing up children. Although childbirth hurts, it is worth the pain.
I had an 8 pound boy and 9 pound girl... the contractions themselves were actually ok. They hurt, of course, but I didn't scream or lose control.
Pushing, however, was what got me!! I screamed until I was hoarse and I felt so bad I jumped straight up out of bed and almost ripped my IV out in the process! Maybe it's just that my babies were pretty fat with big ol' heads but... birth hurts, to me!
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It HURTS! Painful and it hurts, hurts, HURTS!!Why can't they just anesthetize the mother completely and then benumb the wound area until it doesn't hurt anymore? And why the breasts and the nipples always have to look like that? It is not OKAY!!! No! NO! NONONONONONO!!!
Why are people giving me the thumbs down? I'm just telling it the way it is. If you want to stick your heads in the clouds, that's up to you. You'll all find out that I'm telling the truth soon anyway if you decide to have children.
the 2nd one i think is that girl in 10 things i hate about you .. the girl who dresses up as shakespears wife i think.. not sure but i think thats her..
I've had three children and I know that the only way to have a pain-free birth is to be an adoptive parent. You have pain if you have the drugs (have u seen the size of the spinal block needle??), you have pain as the father (helplessness and squeezed hands) and pain as the midwife (who has to contort herself to be able to deliver your baby in what ever position you are in). The pain is so worth it though & forgotten as you hold your baby. Thats why some of us have more than one!
well said.. i dont have any kids cause i am still tooo young but the thing is, i KNOW that it will kinda be painful but i think my body will let me be in touch with the pain throughout the pregnancy.. i dont know, but i think there will be a since of feeling and hints of how the delivery will or might be like.. but maybe i am wrong too :)
I kindly beg to differ, even if you adopt a child, parenting that child at some point is going to give you pain...headaches, stress, and definitely try your patience at times! =O)
wow, of course it hurts but not like any pain you can imagen and when ur child is put on ur chest its gone and forgotten and all worth the those few moments of sheer force, because that beautiful little creature is perfect in everyway. and urs to keep presious right from that first heartbeat!!!
@flexfingaz "it hurts"- you have to right to plant your own personal experiences onto someone else's. What happens for some is what happens for some. A little maturity here.
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well, I don't care if my baby is born with a drug addiction to any pain medication! I will feel no pain & I'm not ashamed of that. Why have a painful delivery if it can be avoided? Give me every drug known to man & hit me up side the head & knock me out. I will not feel any pain.
well you would make a lovely parent. I understand people wanting pain meds, i think i would lean that way too, but to say you DONT CARE if your baby is born with a drug addiction seems like you shouldn't have one if you don't care if your kid is messed up.
The idea that drugs take away all your pain is an illusion. My friend has had migraines from her epidural for 5 years now. Another of my friends had a c-section and wasn't able to hold her baby for weeks because of the pain she had. You're obviously scared of giving birth, and it can be scary if you don't have your facts straight. There are women who have wonderful stories about natural birth at home. My midwife says that her clients are mostly second-time mothers. There's a reason...
why have a child and be pregnant, if you dont want to feel any pain.. I think that is very selfisch. It was put inside with joy it has to come out with pain. If you dont want to feel pain for your child. your not a good parent then..
Why would you say "it was put inside w/joy, it has to come out w/pain" ?? Who told you that?? Shoot, someone that wants to experience pain is either CRAZY or one of those EMO people that like to cut them selves!
I vote NO PAIN! But that doesnt mean I wouldnt be a good parent, parenting is something totally different than EXPERIENCING PAIN!
@lovellyjuliechavez I agree. Pain is your body's way of telling you something is WRONG, not RIGHT. So why should birth hurt?
The Bible story is a metaphor, not a curse. When Eve ate the apple, mankind became "intelligent"- the "intelligence" that natural birth fights against- control of nature/fate.
Therefore, her children were born in pain. "God", btw, isn't "a man in the sky"- it refers to fate. Hence, God "chose" to give her pain.
Good way of figuring the bible out :)) Sometimes the words are a bit confusing when they use metaphors and such. This is such a great way of putting that part together! Thanks for sharing!!
@kimberly250707 maybe there are some women who would feel pain if they HAD to, but why does that mean that she should let herself feel pain if she has the choice NOT to?
It's not like if's proof that a mother wouldn't go through pain for her child because she chose not to have unecessary AVOIDABLE pain, is it?
I had a painless childbirth with my 2nd son. I spent my entire pregnancy emotionally and spiritually preparing and it was absolutely beautiful and perfect in every way. It is *very* possible.
Honouring life, birth and nature is the fast track to peace. Natural birth is statistically safer and life honouring.
Our medical model of industrialized birth is a toppling domino that propels us toward profit. It is a portal to pharmceutical profits and does not have us or our babies best interests at heart.
It is so refreshing to see that we are slowly turning the tide on the 'Shock Doctrine' of Scalpel and Suture capitalism.
According to legend, the Buddha's childbirth was "instant and painless". His mother was on a journey, felt the birth coming on, stopped the chariot, got out, held onto a tree branch and ...there he was...
I did NOT have a painless childbirth, but I was able to have an unanesthetized one, as did several of my child's friends, and the lower amount of trauma seems to vastly improve the child's resilience. Maybe we really are on the verge of a breakthrough if we start treating babies better.
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yes, thank you for the testimonial, the goal of my book and this video is to tell women it is possible. Yes there is one professional actress on the video, and she is talking about her real-life experience. Susan May Pratt (Center Stage) was my client and had a beautiful daughter painlessly last year. I know I was her doula!
I had a painless childbirth and it was one of the best days of my life. Even if this video is scripted and the people actors, it is entirely possible in real life, and it's incredibly empowering to go through it.
My girlfriend bought me this book when I found out I was pregnant with my 2nd. It's amazing. It also touches on helping to heal different types of emotional baggage that could hinder your inner thoughts and feelings, affecting the birth. I really get inspired every time I read some of it. I cant wait to give birth to this baby!
I am feeling the importance of studying hindu holy books like 4 vedas , Gita and upanishad which explains everything about life, death, human emotions, values and prosperity.
hmmm i think birth without drugs is a great idea... and water birth... but not the "spirituality" and philosophy part please.
LULAHmusic 11 months ago
@porsdottir There are women who have had pain free childbirths. It depends on how relaxed you are and if you have good relaxation techniques. Now, if you accept that it is going to be painful and go with it and try to relax against each contraction, it helps. I know when I started to transition, that was the hardest. Most books, like Ina May's book, describes women having excrutiating birthing experiences. But not every woman experiences the same. Laying on your back doesn't make it better
lunargoddess2002 1 year ago
Both lying-in women - Russian, and the brunette - single mother
VRS1387 2 years ago
По моему обе роженицы - русские, а черненкая девочка - мать-одиночка.
VRS1387 2 years ago
wow
mspascoe21 2 years ago
i'm 25 and i have4 children.all delivered naturally and without any pain aid or gas and air.i wudn't go as far as to say it was painless- but they were all silent births.i have realised that the more u concentrate on allowing and working with ur contractions-regardless of the pain-u actually get the baby out alot easier& smoother wid no stitches.its hard-bt over and done with faster. and regardless of ur pain-walk to get urself dialated quicker.none of my labours hav eva been more then 3 hours.
21084life 2 years ago 2
I can't believe this video is yielding a discussion about abortion... It is clearly celebrating the beauty of childbirth.
Xinoutorah 2 years ago
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There is NOTHING beautiful about childbirth. it is fucking disgusting
mpd19666 2 years ago
Only 2 explanations for this one
1）你不是女人
2）你不喜欢孩子
Xinoutorah 2 years ago
@mpd19666 ..lemme guess you're about what 15..16?honey you're obviously still a child or a very ignorant adult.i hope one day when you GROW UP you find a girl,get her pregnant and have to watch every detail about the birth
mrtimandsteph 2 years ago
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why don't you crawl into a hole and die. No one wants to hear you rant.
mpd19666 2 years ago
@mpd19666 ouch that's a new one...never heard that shit before..well no one wants to hear your opinion on childbirth..i mean come on,you're posting this on a video ABOUT the miracle of child birth so you're looking to argue,well i have better shit to do with my time than to talk to a little kid who wants to make internet threats.please don't respond.i won't read or reply so please dont waste your time
kthnx
mrtimandsteph 2 years ago
lets move away entierly from rape. were missing the point. I think its shockingly nieve, wrong nd downright disrepectful 2 suggest tht woman have abortions jst b/c its not suiting their current reputation or tht they think its an inconviniance..i wld say its b/c they dnt feel ready 2 deal with the massive responisibility of a dependant child or b/c they r financially unstable etc. nd jst b/c they r doing it for wht they believe 2be the right reasons doesnt mean they shld bcome emotionally void.
motherwellskenco 2 years ago
I'm due with my first child anyday now. I'm having a natural birth and I'm so excited." If we are to heal the planet, we must begin by healing birthing". -Agnes Sallet VonTannenberg
PeaceLoveEternity 2 years ago 9
Nice quote :)
Xinoutorah 2 years ago
Im not saying baby shld pay for what dad did-but imagine how u wld feel if you found out if you were concieved because a man raped your mum...a male child cld worry that they are destined to tun into its father and a female can be terrified thats its gonna happen to her. mum shldnt be expected to give up her child either. she should have the option of being able to do anything to help her move on from such a traumatic experiance-not live with it for 9months then wonder abt her baby all her life.
motherwellskenco 2 years ago
But you see..most women do not have an abortion b/c they were raped...it's b/c they want out, it doesn't fit thier reputation status at the time, or it's b/c of some other reason that has to do w/the mother thinking the baby is an inconvients at that time being..not to mention the women I know who have had a abortion regret it later on & cry when the baby's "would have been birthday" comes around..you can't justify that.
swargy14x 2 years ago
@motherwellskenco Excuse me, but a woman can rape a man- don't asume that rape is a man-on-woman thing only.
Mirani2 5 months ago
@Mirani2 Very true, and I have not once said that rape is a one - way thing. I know full well that woman are capable of raping a man just as much as a man is. What I am saying is that in the case of a woman that has been raped and has found herself to be pregnant as a result of that she should be allowed the option of termination should that be what she wants to do. She should not feel like a terrible person for thinking about other options if that is what she feels best for her.
motherwellskenco 4 months ago
i think its apauling to expect a raped woman to continue a pregnancy with her rapists baby. Think of the trauma that has on a woman, having to relive what happened to her every day for 9 months. Not as though with a massive belly shes gonna forget in a hurry. That trauma cant be good for baby.
And at the beginning she says during the contractions its intense then u get a repreive....meaning it aint painless. These people cant be right upstairs....its just obvious its painfull!!!!
motherwellskenco 2 years ago
Intensity doesn't equal pain. Sex can be very very 'intense' and not be painful at all. Orgasm can take your breathe away, but is still painfree and enjoyable. And the truth of the matter is that the same body parts and hormones come into play both in sex and birth. And the same environment of privacy and promotion of relaxation is needed for both or both will turn into an painful experience. I'm expecting my 5th baby and each time I am more relaxed and have less pain from contractions.
MrsAngel01 2 years ago
there are many interpretations of 'intense'. each individual persons idea of intense is different from the next. sex is intense, but in an entierly different way that child birth is. people experiance different types and levels of intensities in their life time. i dont think its fair to categorise the intensity you feel during sex to that of birth as they are on two totally seperate scales. Congratulations on ur 5th child!! and i am delighted for you that you find each birth easier! good luck!
motherwellskenco 2 years ago
@motherwellskenco When you have a large bowel movement, its often intense but not painful. Why wouldn't you believe her? It is the same kind of function.
Mirani2 5 months ago
this video is awesome! it gives me soooooo much hope for my next birth, me and my hubby fully intend on having a uc! for those of you who dont know what that is, its an unassisted childbirth. I fully trust my body to birth my baby!
all4youdoula84 2 years ago 7
I don`t want to discourage you but why do you want an uc? I would take every help possible and not trust in any stories about chacras, everybody can easily see that this video is not very reliable. If I were you I would take every help possible, it is too late when you discover during the pain that it is too much. When I ever get a child I know already now I want to have every medication even possible and if not I don`t want any child.
Koenigskind23 2 years ago
well first off im a doula. i know how medication can affect not only mommy but BABY AS WELL. many medications are not necessary...just like a womans lungs know when to breath, her body knows how to give birth.
you dont see childbirth as a rite of passage and a spiritual journey, i do! and you are not discouraging me, i have had medicated hospital births, its not that fun to push on your back. its like trying to take a poop laying down, it just doesnt feel that good!
all4youdoula84 2 years ago 6
The way I see it it is just unnecessary pain without medication - just the way I see it. But o.k. if you feel comfortable...
Koenigskind23 2 years ago
@all4youdoula84 I've had two medical childbirths and it was horrible both times. The last time, i had an epidural and it didn't work. then i got more drugs and when i had to push i couldn't feel and pushed too hard and guess what? I ended up with a protracted urethra. It sucked. Afterwards, i lost all sphinxter and urine control. However, if women want drugs, i feel like they should have that right without anyone saying no they can't. Some people just can't handle it. For me, i hate epidurals.
lunargoddess2002 1 year ago
this video is kool! btw to the abortion talkers, if you read the bible it is murder to kill a baby. if you are raped there are many couples that want babies that cant have them, and you have to remember it takes your egg and his sperm to make a baby not just sperm, so that baby is part of you too!!
all4youdoula84 2 years ago
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fuck you if yr raped y shouldnt have 2 go through more truma and suffering just so another can live, that stemcells life is not more important than the mother. not only would that woman have emotional scares yr suggesting she has physical 1s 2. go to hell. fuck god hes a cunt, and dont bother spouting yr bible shit back to me, wot a tosser
yummymmmnice 2 years ago
Nobody has the right to intervene with someone elses right to choose..thats hypocritical to say u cant intervene with someones right to live yet to try to take away the right to choose.hypocrite...u must be christian. lol
chrisryan8478 2 years ago
You are totally right! That is the true meaning of prochoice "When a woman chooses to have sex, that is where she has a choice". Murder is not a choice it's a crime. 1,000's of women can't give birth it's only right to pass the child to a person who will love him/her and fulfill their purpose on earth.
Cosmictalk 3 years ago
"I had a painless child-birth and you can have one too."
I didn't even think that was possible. I don't want a child-birth ful stop!
Chriscom28 3 years ago
PAY ATTENTION here..it says that fetuses have a RIGHT to life and a RIGHT to be loved by a GOD who created them, as well as their earthly parents! There is NO OTHER acceptable outcome to a successful conception of human life!
mazakman1957 3 years ago
and women deserve their own choices.
aleorangekit 3 years ago
How dare women be allowed to choose!? They are slaves of the Most High and we men are his loyal servants.
Chriscom28 3 years ago
As a woman, I don't WANT the "choice" to murder my child or not. It's a human life we are talking about here. I'm not a god because I have a vagina and neither is any other woman.
sarahky88 3 years ago
But that's you and YOUR choice, you cant impose your beliefs on other women
and it is not about being a god or not, it is about women making the choice to what is best for them and THEIR bodies.
aleorangekit 3 years ago
What about the unborn children's right to their bodies?
Erkkiperkki1 3 years ago
And what about the fact that pregnant women are carrying and sustaining the foetuses with their own bodies, not viceversa, what if a woman does not want to give her body to the foetus, the foetus itself cannot sustain without the woman's body not at least within the first 12 weeks.
aleorangekit 3 years ago
A newborn child can't survive on it's own. I'm not sure I would either, without other people. I realise we still live in a primitive time, where life does not have intrinsic value. I have no desire to judge anyone. It does disgust me however, that abortion is portrayed as a women's rights issue, when I feel that all people should take responsibility for those in need, children in the uterus and outside as well as the women who are pregnant against their will, for whatever reason.
Erkkiperkki1 3 years ago
Errr no, biologically speaking, you can survive on your own, while an embryo/fetus is not able to do that.
Abortion is a way to take responsibillity, it is what some ppl do not understand, and you cannot put everybody in the same box, as if all the women had sex irresponsibly and just for fun!
aleorangekit 3 years ago
Is a newborn able to survive on its own? I didn't put anyone in any box. What is the embryo/foetus if not a human being?
Erkkiperkki1 3 years ago
The newborn does not have to be attached to a body, it can breathe by its own, biologically does not depend on its mother.
I never said it wasn´t human, so what would it be.......... a dog?
Anyway i think you are not getting it,
aleorangekit 3 years ago
Then why doesn't it have the same right to live as human beings outside the uterus?
Erkkiperkki1 3 years ago
Because an embryo/fetus is using the woman's body in turn, it has not right to use the body of that woman against her will, anyway if you want to discuse, debate see more points, and stuff I think you should go to facebook's group "Support a woman´s right to choose"
aleorangekit 3 years ago
I really can't see a baby as a parasite-like thing. A baby had nothing to do with how it got there. This is just how mammals procreate whether it's convenient or not. I'll have a look at the group though.
Erkkiperkki1 3 years ago
That's you, let's not put emotions here
aleorangekit 3 years ago
Women have the right to their bodies, but they don't have the right to the baby's body, even if it happens to be inside theirs. I don't think there's anything I can say to make you open enough to see it on the baby's side. I used to be pro-choise too, before I was face-to-face with a possible pregnancy.
Erkkiperkki1 3 years ago 2
I certainly don't feel like I have the right nor the will to choose for another being, it scares me that some people feel like they do. I would give away 9 months of my life to save yours too, if that were the circumstances.
Erkkiperkki1 3 years ago 3
Why should be a woman forced to be with a pregnancy she does not want?
As I said I do not think I have my mind narrow, you are the one with the problem here, you insist in putting emotions, and stuff, anyway I am done
aleorangekit 3 years ago
Because nobody has the right to intervene with someone else's right to live. And yes, I have emotions, which is why I have ethical problems with issues such as this.
Erkkiperkki1 3 years ago 2
what if that someone else is using the body of another person, biologically?
It is not about you having emotions or ideals, it is about keeping the discusion the more objetcive possible.
anyway this is going nowhere
good bye
aleorangekit 3 years ago
And, well, ideals are important to me at least.
Erkkiperkki1 3 years ago
so what happends if a little girl gets raped and becomes pregnant but having the baby would kill her, is abortion wrong then? Im not a baby killer but if I were to become pregnant tomorrow, I choose abortion like my sister did, Im not letting a baby fuck up my future I'll have kids when I'm ready to.
silentheart218 3 years ago
In my opinion, there is no "right" answer to that question, sometimes there is only a choice. I have no desire or the right to make choices for anyone or to judge them.
All I'm saying is that *I* see no difference in the value of the life of a human being whether it is an embryo, a fetus, a newborn, a teen, an adult etc.
As for "fucking up someone's future", I understand the reality. I think it would be important to change the reality so that having a child would not do that to anyone.
Erkkiperkki1 3 years ago
silentheart218, your sister is a murderer. Cold hard truth right there, and you are a willing murderer. Nothing will ever change the fact your sister murdered another human being, but she has time to at least repent. I hope she does. Oh, and if you dont want a baby, try closing your fucking legs. Its a better option than murder. Thanks.
bbasher79 3 years ago
agree 100%
well said!!!
Za3lana0 2 years ago
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and u have no rite spouting yr bible shit either!!! the bible is there to make people suffer dim wit, maybe u should open yr legs and enjoy yr life and stop makings other shit with yr crap, GOD dam fucking JESUS bulshit BIBLE RUBBISH.
yummymmmnice 2 years ago
It is not the little girl's fault if she gets raped of course. How old is this little girl? It is for sure not the baby's fault either. I wouldn't deny the baby life. I would have the baby and give it up for adoption. I know someone who got raped and that's what she is doing.
suzsawyer7 2 years ago 3
IntIIslamicPeace, I like your comment, but we were only talking about the birthing process, although what you said is absolutely true about bringing up children. Although childbirth hurts, it is worth the pain.
porsdottir 3 years ago
I had an 8 pound boy and 9 pound girl... the contractions themselves were actually ok. They hurt, of course, but I didn't scream or lose control.
Pushing, however, was what got me!! I screamed until I was hoarse and I felt so bad I jumped straight up out of bed and almost ripped my IV out in the process! Maybe it's just that my babies were pretty fat with big ol' heads but... birth hurts, to me!
Worth it, though. Absolutely worth it.
sarahky88 3 years ago
yes they are and they both had natural painless childbirths and decided to participate in the video.
joyinbirthing 3 years ago
Some of these clips seem to be from Elena Tonnetti's video: Birth into Being
cvrnut09 3 years ago
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It HURTS! Painful and it hurts, hurts, HURTS!!Why can't they just anesthetize the mother completely and then benumb the wound area until it doesn't hurt anymore? And why the breasts and the nipples always have to look like that? It is not OKAY!!! No! NO! NONONONONONO!!!
ChoiFungWa 3 years ago
There are women who haven't experienced pain when giving birth...
JenJuvenile 3 years ago 5
@JenJuvenile And dont' ya'll forget it!
Mirani2 5 months ago
Why are people giving me the thumbs down? I'm just telling it the way it is. If you want to stick your heads in the clouds, that's up to you. You'll all find out that I'm telling the truth soon anyway if you decide to have children.
porsdottir 3 years ago
the 2nd one i think is that girl in 10 things i hate about you .. the girl who dresses up as shakespears wife i think.. not sure but i think thats her..
kurdnar 3 years ago
Yup! I knew I'd seen her somewhere! Thanks!
porsdottir 3 years ago
I've had three children and I know that the only way to have a pain-free birth is to be an adoptive parent. You have pain if you have the drugs (have u seen the size of the spinal block needle??), you have pain as the father (helplessness and squeezed hands) and pain as the midwife (who has to contort herself to be able to deliver your baby in what ever position you are in). The pain is so worth it though & forgotten as you hold your baby. Thats why some of us have more than one!
porsdottir 3 years ago
well said.. i dont have any kids cause i am still tooo young but the thing is, i KNOW that it will kinda be painful but i think my body will let me be in touch with the pain throughout the pregnancy.. i dont know, but i think there will be a since of feeling and hints of how the delivery will or might be like.. but maybe i am wrong too :)
kurdnar 3 years ago
@kurdnar no, you DON"T know that
Mirani2 5 months ago
I kindly beg to differ, even if you adopt a child, parenting that child at some point is going to give you pain...headaches, stress, and definitely try your patience at times! =O)
IntlIslamicPeace 3 years ago
wow, of course it hurts but not like any pain you can imagen and when ur child is put on ur chest its gone and forgotten and all worth the those few moments of sheer force, because that beautiful little creature is perfect in everyway. and urs to keep presious right from that first heartbeat!!!
flexfingaz 3 years ago
@flexfingaz "it hurts"- you have to right to plant your own personal experiences onto someone else's. What happens for some is what happens for some. A little maturity here.
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GDIawesome 3 years ago
sassymuzik you are so selfish. if you don't care about your baby then you aren't a very good parent
flarp18 3 years ago
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well, I don't care if my baby is born with a drug addiction to any pain medication! I will feel no pain & I'm not ashamed of that. Why have a painful delivery if it can be avoided? Give me every drug known to man & hit me up side the head & knock me out. I will not feel any pain.
sassymuzik 3 years ago
well you would make a lovely parent. I understand people wanting pain meds, i think i would lean that way too, but to say you DONT CARE if your baby is born with a drug addiction seems like you shouldn't have one if you don't care if your kid is messed up.
emie868 3 years ago
*should never
emie868 3 years ago
The idea that drugs take away all your pain is an illusion. My friend has had migraines from her epidural for 5 years now. Another of my friends had a c-section and wasn't able to hold her baby for weeks because of the pain she had. You're obviously scared of giving birth, and it can be scary if you don't have your facts straight. There are women who have wonderful stories about natural birth at home. My midwife says that her clients are mostly second-time mothers. There's a reason...
Anita50882 3 years ago
OMG. I hope you never will be pregnant...i would feel sorry for your child!!!
anita7812 3 years ago
why have a child and be pregnant, if you dont want to feel any pain.. I think that is very selfisch. It was put inside with joy it has to come out with pain. If you dont want to feel pain for your child. your not a good parent then..
kimberly250707 3 years ago
Why would you say "it was put inside w/joy, it has to come out w/pain" ?? Who told you that?? Shoot, someone that wants to experience pain is either CRAZY or one of those EMO people that like to cut them selves!
I vote NO PAIN! But that doesnt mean I wouldnt be a good parent, parenting is something totally different than EXPERIENCING PAIN!
lovellyjuliechavez 3 years ago 5
@lovellyjuliechavez I agree. Pain is your body's way of telling you something is WRONG, not RIGHT. So why should birth hurt?
The Bible story is a metaphor, not a curse. When Eve ate the apple, mankind became "intelligent"- the "intelligence" that natural birth fights against- control of nature/fate.
Therefore, her children were born in pain. "God", btw, isn't "a man in the sky"- it refers to fate. Hence, God "chose" to give her pain.
Mirani2 5 months ago
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TheMrF30 4 months ago
@Mirani2
Good way of figuring the bible out :)) Sometimes the words are a bit confusing when they use metaphors and such. This is such a great way of putting that part together! Thanks for sharing!!
lovellyjuliechavez 4 months ago
@kimberly250707 maybe there are some women who would feel pain if they HAD to, but why does that mean that she should let herself feel pain if she has the choice NOT to?
It's not like if's proof that a mother wouldn't go through pain for her child because she chose not to have unecessary AVOIDABLE pain, is it?
Mirani2 5 months ago
Beautiful. Something that every single woman should know. Birth IS beautiful and it need not hurt - I have done it too.
Induction hurts, fear hurts, being confined and constrained hurts, birth itself does not.
Birth should be celebrated and honoured, it would be so much better for our children and our world for our babies to be born in peace and calm.
k8vkw 3 years ago
@k8vkw congrats on your painless birth!
Mirani2 5 months ago
I had a painless childbirth with my 2nd son. I spent my entire pregnancy emotionally and spiritually preparing and it was absolutely beautiful and perfect in every way. It is *very* possible.
Thank you for this wonderful message
cyclesofchange 3 years ago 3
@cyclesofchange Can you teach me how? I am a 22 year old virgin/future mother and would LOVE some pointers!
Mirani2 5 months ago
Honouring life, birth and nature is the fast track to peace. Natural birth is statistically safer and life honouring.
Our medical model of industrialized birth is a toppling domino that propels us toward profit. It is a portal to pharmceutical profits and does not have us or our babies best interests at heart.
It is so refreshing to see that we are slowly turning the tide on the 'Shock Doctrine' of Scalpel and Suture capitalism.
NaturallyNurture 3 years ago
According to legend, the Buddha's childbirth was "instant and painless". His mother was on a journey, felt the birth coming on, stopped the chariot, got out, held onto a tree branch and ...there he was...
I did NOT have a painless childbirth, but I was able to have an unanesthetized one, as did several of my child's friends, and the lower amount of trauma seems to vastly improve the child's resilience. Maybe we really are on the verge of a breakthrough if we start treating babies better.
givebirthathome 3 years ago
@givebirthathome Hey, funny- that's supposedly what Jesus's birth was like....Hm.....
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pavbelieve 3 years ago
Uh-huh...the woman at :42 is an actress from movies Center Stage, Drive Me Crazy, etc.
Let me see her REAL childbirth video, then maybe I'll believe Miss Matchstick.
belliedbabe79 3 years ago 2
yes, thank you for the testimonial, the goal of my book and this video is to tell women it is possible. Yes there is one professional actress on the video, and she is talking about her real-life experience. Susan May Pratt (Center Stage) was my client and had a beautiful daughter painlessly last year. I know I was her doula!
joyinbirthing 3 years ago 2
I had a painless childbirth and it was one of the best days of my life. Even if this video is scripted and the people actors, it is entirely possible in real life, and it's incredibly empowering to go through it.
artyfuss 3 years ago 3
My girlfriend bought me this book when I found out I was pregnant with my 2nd. It's amazing. It also touches on helping to heal different types of emotional baggage that could hinder your inner thoughts and feelings, affecting the birth. I really get inspired every time I read some of it. I cant wait to give birth to this baby!
JollyHolly1 3 years ago
The girl from Center Stage and Drive Me Crazy is in the beginning of the video....
kyliem11 3 years ago
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mm... i still think the spinal tap with the morphene stuff would be a better alternative..
Pimp4theworld 3 years ago
I cant wait to have my next one..
butterflie2484 3 years ago
congradulations!!!
wantsumcandy 3 years ago
I am feeling the importance of studying hindu holy books like 4 vedas , Gita and upanishad which explains everything about life, death, human emotions, values and prosperity.
achalneupane 3 years ago
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These people seem fake, more like actors.
L0v3brittany 3 years ago
I had a pain free birth and it was AMAZING!. No pain. I just felt the baby pressing down and out. It was beautiful. :D
butterflie2484 3 years ago 3
I have a right......to an epidural LMFAO!
Annalyse74 3 years ago
yes you do and no one wants to take that away from you. As we have a right to a natural and drug-free birth. God bless
joyinbirthing 3 years ago 3
LOL course you do - I was having a giggle :)
Annalyse74 3 years ago
@Annalyse74 I see you took your right to a brain removal seriously
Mirani2 5 months ago
@Mirani2 Erm sorry but obviously you took your right to a sense of humour bypas seriously!!! Dont be so fucking rude!
Annalyse74 5 months ago
i have 3 almost 4 kids and all i want to say is this video makes me think "easier said than done"......
katiehuerta 3 years ago
yes yes yes yes yes yes!!! x0x0x0x
jessannakissed 3 years ago
That's so cool
grapeexmagoo 3 years ago
thats awesome ur she is soooooooo frikin lukky if i ever wanna hav a baby i'd so do it this way!!!☺☺☺
degrassigirl645 3 years ago