HARRY REID: Congress' Battle with Bush on Iraq Money

[0101001011010]

thank GOD this asshole wont be around anymore hell be packing his shit up next time hahahah i cant wait. GOODBYE HARRY REED!!!!!!

[RobertGary1]

I can't believe liberals like this Mormon but don't like Mitt.

[chiefeditor]

Tell 'em........

[SSGTVDOG]

Harry Reid... card Carrying member of the Socialist / Communist Party of America, along with Nacy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton look it up!!!

[63busfreak]

In the words of Andrew Dice Clay "un fucking believable" How can this guy be in office, I just don't get it.

[ciaoh]

totally

[hellotommy]

How can anyone vote for this tool?

[krullnigkiller]

American people must be retarded!!! cant you see the government wants the poor americans to die off me being one of them they dont care 100s of billions for war 50 or so million for health care are we blind and deaf we must take over our government VOTE 4 RON PAUL

[classic14rider]

Right. Both through pursuit of a war, which is draining this nation's resources and killing its "volunteer" army and national guard, and through its irresponsible fiscal policies, the real "hate America" crowd are the one's who support the Cheney-Bush administration and their neo-consevative handlers.

[TyTrig]

reids 3 sons are lobbyist's, anyone else see conflict of interest here? or whats that other word im looking for.....treason?

[TheKillerZombie]

Fund The Troops!

Do not set a date for defeat.

The Surge is working.

[grifster3]

When was the Middle East a stable area? This region has been in a constant war since the beginning of time! We are committed to being the "big policemen" for this region due to our dependence on their oil. If eggheads like Reid want to withdraw & retreat, he should 1st commit to finding alternative energy solutions so we don't have to need this regions resources. Only then, can we withdraw without facing disastrous consequences.

[FILMEfilm]

Hindsight is 20 /20. If you would have impeached his ass during the first term than maybe he wouldn't have been able to away with ass much as he has to this point. I say give him a gun and let him fight his own war, and bring my "brothers" home, a standing military is not going to cut in this country. But now we need one because of the way he's swerded up, the country. How the f$%^& is Canada's dollar worth more. This is not a Third world country.

[armadilloze]

I say "Where are the Young Republicans and College Republicans?" Obviously they don't agree with kickahippie or they'd be at the enlistment office, right? "Let kickahippie's family wait another 15 months for him to come back, we have other 'priorities' like Chicken Cheney had" they chant. Million excuses, that bunch of cowards.

[PeaceIsOK]

No accountability!

Exactly!

This is why our congress has an even worse approval rating, because of the lack of cooperation in the White House!

You would think a majority would mean something! Big Veto Standing By!

But, we are getting close to a tipping point.

-Peace

[babapoco]

down with fucking pan farsism

[Casper48022]

Ron paul people.... common... Ron paul.

[armadilloze]

Ron Paul (capital P, please) is with the anti-American KKK on voting not to honor pro-freedom worker Rosa Parks. Not someone who will bring us together.

Just think where we'd be today if all the time, money, and resources haters spent had been used for tolerance and friendship instead.

[oldpappymgellianthet]

The terrorist are among us. Socialist liberals in this country aid the enemy with their propaganda and should be taken to Guantanamo and water boarded. Olbermann, Pelosi, Reid, Hillary all fight to ruin this great country. The sad thing is people actually buy this crap. Conservatives must unite and strengthen in order to save America!

[friendsofthefruitsof]

PErhaps bush dubious' illegal war is retaliation for Clinton Staff swiping the "w" keys from all computers and typewriters.

[northernnyjim]

800billion. with all the $ spent on the war FOR OIL, we could develop new ways to harness the suns energy and move away from whats killing the EARTH ANYWAY

[nossful]

@northernnyjim

I think liberalism is what is killing the planet.

[oldpappymgellianthet]

Harry Reid has committed treason and should be persecuted the fullest extent of the law. He is aiding the enemy by spreading propaganda. Pelosi as well. She visited the Syrian government, a state sponsor of terror. Its treason.

[friendsofthefruitsof]

you did not see that many repignicans went at the same time? Dissent and opposition are good for the nation. You will sing a different tune next year at this time. Or is this war just retaliation for...

[kickahippie]

We'll still be in Iraq then and we'll still be there the year after that and so on.

I hope the only reason you support the Democrats is not for withdrawl of troops from Iraq. You will be disappointed.

[liveleaker]

Hairy "Grim Reaper" Reed.

[MooseOfReason]

Jim Webb's keeping guard over the Senate so Bush can't sneak any appointees in. Send him a card in the mail to show your support and thanks. He might be back over the Christmas break.

[willb48]

At least Reid is keeping the Senate in session over the Thanksgiving break. It is interesting that all Democratic proposals need 60 votes in the Senate. Yet, Bush regime measures only require 51 votes.

[friendsofthefruitsof]

Why did you all give more or anything for this war?

[friendsofthefruitsof]

wow do you realize for every $100,billion we spent in Iraq we could have given each person USD$4000! we could have bought out Iraq cheaper, In Afghanistan with only 20,000,000 people we could have given them each USD$5000. We broke Iraq and continue to break it at what cost? and these "fiscally responsible" riechwingers find our tremendous waste acceptable? how?

[armadilloze]

It's worse than that. If you add in INTEREST on Bush's war debt, corruption, long-term injured care (which the BushCult is trying to gut), replacing wrecked equipment, higher oil prices, more worldwide terrorism, and many other costs I forget, you're looking at $40,000 per family. Those who voted FOR all this get part of their cost paid with "other people's money" (i.e. us). VOTE DEM in 2008 or you'll pay even more for their promised endless war!

[Blackrain4xmas]

$800bn for war in Iraq AND AFGHANISTAN. Oh well, what's a little lie when the objective is to ensure that one's declaration of defeat comes true?

[friendsofthefruitsof]

what are you talking about the war are wasting $800,000,000,000 on an unachievable outcome. Our methodology was wrong. Vietnam and this war prove that old fashioned warfare is out dated and no longer works. WE depleted out munitions to what avail to lose the worlds respect, the dollar is becoming like the former lira and what has america achieved in 6 years of folly?

[kickahippie]

We didn't deplete our munitions. I know for a fact that we have a whole lot more.

[friendsofthefruitsof]

and how much has this foolly cost then?

[kickahippie]

Not much in terms of cost of the munitions expended.

[truefictions]

And that is the simple truth.

[exacerbatedtaboo]

It's still your fault Harry cause you are the one approving all this money

[greatbroad]

Absolutely!

Like the victimized spouse who enables their abuser, we are the kids getting beat-up. We are the ones who end up suffering.

[getplaning]

Democrats were ready to give George Bush $50 billion for Iraq today and the Republicans killed it because they don't want to provide any oversight whatsoever. The Republicans think the war in Iraq is going great, and to prove it they just took $50 billion away from our troops.

[MKB2814]

Why does the GOP hate our troops?

They started to show it with Walter Reed Hospital, then struck down the Webb Amendment.

[kickahippie]

I feel hated more by the Democrats than the GOP. Dems don't love you till your dead or injured - a usable statistic. I can't serve their agenda being healthy.

They started to show it when they tied their entire strategy to win seats and pass legislation based on troop deaths, peanut storage, shrimp, and spinach.

It's sad that they measure the life of a troop in votes.

[MKB2814]

"Dems don't love you till your dead or injured - a usable statist"

Wow, kickahippie, you sure are one stupid GOPee drinker.

Afetr all, it's the GOP who constantly use the military for political gain, and then show nothing for those who are in harms way.

Leave the 60's already.

[kickahippie]

ROFLMAO, are you serious? Typical Liberal response.

Your comment about the use of the military for political gain would make the Democrat Leadership laugh.

Shame on you for using the military for political gain. Have you no honor? Are you really willing to sale your patriotism for political gain? You are one sordid individual.

[MKB2814]

"Shame on you for using the military for political gain. Have you no honor? Are you really willing to sale your patriotism for political gain?"

That's exactly what the GOP does. Nothing but photo-ops and hiding behind the troops whenever their 6 years of befuddled planning bites them in the ass.

Thank you for clarifying how dishonorable and and shameful, Bush, Boehner, and McConnell truly are.

[MKB2814]

After all, Bush does find it a source of sick humor to joke about there being no WMDs in Iraq.

At the 2004 Press Corps Dinner.

Now he hides behind his Generals. Something else Truman never did.

[kickahippie]

So, basically you suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS.) You're allowed to have no honor and patriotism because it's Bush's fault.

I apologize for not recognizing your mental illness sooner.

[MKB2814]

The only delusions and mental illness are prominent within you "kickahippie".

Hell, your name is a pathetic term from the past.

[kickahippie]

Like I said - Hated more by Democrats.

Do you despise Bill Clinton, as well?

[MKB2814]

Still using the bitterly nostalgic name?

Look at a calendar, the 60's have long passed.

[kickahippie]

Right, are you seriously going to try to support your argument based on my name? Your pitiful attempt to insult it isn't helping your case.

Is this what you do - you go around using the term "troops" in vein to support your sordid opinions and then ignorantly attack user names of those who contradict them in defense?

How sad are you?

[friendsofthefruitsof]

you named the term correctly but it is you who suffer fromthis. for criticizing the war you are not patriotic? come on. for criticizing the prez you are an enemy of the state. then i will be able to turn your finger back at you by your own creed next november!

[kickahippie]

So I'll be an enemy for wanting my country to succeed?

Thank you for proving me correctly on what this is all about - POLITICAL POWER!

[friendsofthefruitsof]

no wonder you are in the military, you are so easily gulled. et a life and a BRAIN

[kickahippie]

Actually, I'm in the military because it's family tradition to serve our country dating back before the Civil War. Though I am one of the few who have made a career out it.

You really have no idea what US military men and women do. You would see the blind ignorance in your comment if you did.

[armadilloze]

I see what the military says:

"We shouldn't politicize the Iraq war. We should listen to the Generals." - Bush

"The President of the United States is holding our Soldiers hostage to his ego." - Major Gen. Paul Eaton. Former Iraq War Commander.

"The President vetoed our troops and the American people. His stubborn commitment to a failed strategy in Iraq is incomprehensible." - Major General John Batiste

"US Can't Win Iraq War Because Most Iraqis Oppose US Troops" - Lt. General Robert Gard

[kickahippie]

LOL,

Major General Rick Lynch: Herald Tribune - U.S. general says Baghdad offensive will take until spring to succeed

"He implied that an early withdrawal would amount to abandoning Iraqi civilians who, he said, have rallied in support of the U.S. and Iraqi troops, and that it would leave the civilians exposed to renewed brutalities by extremists."

[kickahippie]

"It will take time, and we've really got to be careful," - Brigadier General Dana Pittard

"Oh, it is realistic in many areas in Iraq," the general said. "But in Diyala Province, the way it is right now it will take some time. It will take a coalition force presence there, partnered with the fifth Iraqi Army division and the Iraqi police to provide lasting stability so that the provincial government can then take control." - Brigadier General Dana Pittard

[kickahippie]

"And that's not a political answer. That's a military answer, and what it takes to train the young men and get the leadership that they need to be able to do what the army does.[That is to] protect its borders and provide for the sovereignty of this nation, to provide assistance to what's going on as far as counter insurgency." - Major General Walter Gaskin, US general against Iraq withdrawal

[kickahippie]

"Specific timetables limit that flexibility," - Gen. John Abizaid

[kickahippie]

"We think that based on the campaign plan that we need forces here for a few more years. We need to have forces here in a deliberate fashion in order to accomplish what our goals are." - Lieutenant General Raymond Odierno

[armadilloze]

I agree. Huge permanent bases, embassy larger than Vatican City, endless war, ayup, that's PNAC's plan, plays straight to Osama's stated wish, his greatest recruitment poster. But remember, this is a democracy (unless there's a violent coup). WE THE PEOPLE are The Decider, NOT the military or neocons!

Again (sigh), did you buy "Six days, six weeks, I doubt six months?" Yes.

[armadilloze]

During a round table discussion on "the Fight for Oil, Water and a Healthy Planet" at Stanford University on Saturday, Gen. John Abizaid (Ret.), the former CENTCOM Commander, said that "of course" the Iraq war is "about oil":

"Of course it's about oil, we can't really deny that," Abizaid said of the Iraq campaign early on in the talk.

Any questions? More where that came from. :)

[armadilloze]

How many YEARS have we heard the word "training?" Face reality, all training timetables have been turned to sand. Remember when battle-ready battalions dropped from three to ONE? Did you but the rhetoric back then too? Probably. Unbelievable sycophancy.

[armadilloze]

Yup, the "some time" is another "six months" and all will be well. Been there, done that, got disappointed. Move along, taxpayers, nothing to see here.

Boy, have you bought the party line. What about all the other times they said the same thing? Gullible beyond belief. They have yet to be right in their predictions.

"Six days, six weeks, I doubt six months."

[armadilloze]

Ah, another "we're turning the corner." Have you seen that video of all of Commander Guy's four years of "turning the corner" statements? If you keep turning the corner, you go in circles. Also see "making progress" montage and Thomas Friedman's long parade of "six months." Six months is now called "the Friedman unit." :)

How many times do you have to be lied to before you too say "Enough!"

[friendsofthefruitsof]

which Spring? we have had 6 of them so far, how many more are going to come ad go before we "succeed" or just call it quits. I think these recent wars + Vietnam have sent the signal that regular old fashioned Warfare is no longer a viable option. We are no longer fighting a fixed government so we cant use conventional warfare to win!

[armadilloze]

You are out of step:

A new LA Times/Bloomberg poll out today that shows that a majority of those with military connections - active duty, vets and families - disapprove of Bush and his war and only 36% believe the war was worth it.

The poll conducted Nov. 30-Dec. 3 also finds that 37% of military-family members approve of the job Bush is doing as president, a little more than the general population. The 2004 poll found that twice as many military families approved of Bush's performance.

[armadilloze]

Success: BushCult's "six days, six weeks, I doubt six months" incompetence has left us with two options: leave later on their terms, after may more billion$ and lives lost, or leave now on OUR terms, in control. Ever heard of Vietnam?

Yes, political power: or as real Americans call it, "democracy." You got a taste of it last November. How'd you like that? :) Next November, we'll finish the job on the neocon losers that have cost America so much in respect, wealth, and lives.

[kickahippie]

Vietnam? Yeah, I've heard of it. You heard of the Killing Fields?

Tell me - How upset are you that the people you support have accomplished nothing since they took control of Congress?

[armadilloze]

Heard of the killing fields. Weren't in Vietnam. And deaths in Vietnam dropped dramatically in Vietnam almost as soon as we left. dropping to almost nothing. Why? Because WE were doing most of the killing.

Quite a bit has been accomplished, actually, but you won't hear about it on Faux News. There is a list but too long to post here. There would be more were there no vetoes of pro-troop bills and parliamentary maneuvers by those who put tax cuts for millionaires ahead of your needs.

[kickahippie]

Killing Fields happened because we left.

Long list? Go ahead and list them - I don't mind. Unless you're too insecure to do so. I remember the main issue being OIF during the 2006 campaign - how they doing on that?

[armadilloze]

Simply use the Google with "democratic congress accomplishments" and READ. One example follows, shortened slightly to fit. It makes you wonder what BushCult has against the troops. They love photo-ops, but won't provide funding for things like MRAPs. Sad.

[armadilloze]

"Democrats also added funding to protect our troops against IEDs. In addition to the President's funding request, the 2007 Emergency Supplemental included $1.2 billion in additional funding to provide our troops with mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles, vehicles that military commanders believe could reduce U.S. casualties by 2/3. If the bill had been signed by the President, these emergency funds would have ensured that more than 2,000 MRAPs reached our troops by the end of this year."

[armadilloze]

Have you heard what BushCult is doing now? If you had a signing bonus and get injured in Iraq and must come home, you must PAY HIM BACK part of your bonus, which is then used for tax cuts for country clubbers! Bush will send collection agencies after you if you don't pay up. No real American could support a bastard like that, but YOU DO. Talk about using the troops - taking THEIR money and giving it to the idle rich! Sickening.

[kickahippie]

Ignorance is rapid amongst the ill minded Liberals rants here. Do you know how dumb that comment was? Seriously, you need to look at the VA and term of service contracts. It's in need of being targeted for an A-76 (VA) and Congress needs to act on the terms of service, but you choose to blame Bush which is your prerogative, but does nothing to solve the problem. Way to complain and blame.

[MKB2814]

let's see, the GOP controlled Congress for over 14 years (with the brief exception of the Senate for 2 years by a majority of one), ending in 2006.

Yet they were unable to provide adequate, veteran's funding.

So when Bush vetoes a bill that funds the troops, but places responsibility on him, that means he places his own ego over the troops.

[kickahippie]

And I'm sure you were complaining about veterans funding then.

[armadilloze]

More on bonuses: While rethugs do nothing, Democratic Rep. Jason Altmire has introduced legislation to keep Bush from confiscating our troops' bonuses when they get injured. It will be interesting to see if the rethugs' contempt for our troops causes them to vote against this and with Bush. And if it passes anyway, will Bush veto it? Probably, given his record. SHAME on the republic party! How could ANYONE vote for these contemptible people who put politics ahead of the military?

[kickahippie]

The question I have is - how will Democrats use the legislation Altmire proposes? Will it be clean or will they take it hostage to advance their sordid agenda? I'm guessing the latter and that will be SICKENING.

Politics ahead of military? Must I remind you of peanut storage, shrimp, and spinach. Strings attached to military legislation to advance Democrat strategy.

[MKB2814]

"Politics ahead of military"

Definitely a Republicant MO.

Seriously, if you think it's such a just war, go enlist.

[armadilloze]

kickahippie enlist? Fat chance.

I, OTOH, am a veteran. We veterans and active duty troops desperately need a president and a veto-proof Congress that will fund treatment and provide proper body and vehicle armor etc. Bush recently vetoed a bill that extended job protection for returning guardsmen. SHAME! We need to stop that. Vote Democratic, show the troops help is on the way, starting Jan. 20, 2009. They're counting on us!

[kickahippie]

Actually, I just hit my 11 year mark this past July. Last time I directly supported ops downrange was in 04. I re-enlist in 09.

What you just commented is a bunch of garbage.

Google IYAAYAS.

[armadilloze]

So how do you feel about Chimpie vetoing your guardsmen buddies' job protection bill? Chimpie has deserted them. How did you feel about that Marine asking Dumsfeld why they had to go to garbage dumps to find Hummer armor? THERE'S real bravery!

'09, huh? Well, if you get a re-up bonus, get injured, and get to KEEP that bonus, send a thank you note to Harry Reid. The rethugs have yet to lift a finger to help people like you, unless you consider extended tours and rat-infested hospitals help.

[kickahippie]

If I were guard - I'd be directing that question to my State Governor. As for Armor - Learn about the bureaucracy that is our Acquisition program.

You're a veteran? Interesting point of view of someone who was a veteran.

[armadilloze]

Your state governor did not veto the bill, BUSH did! What a sad sycophant you are! "Please sir, may I have another?"

On armor: "As you know, ah, you go to war with the army you have - not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." Right. In a war where *we chose the date.* Duh. God, how the neocons disrespect you. Why do you support them? Stand up, be a man!

[kickahippie]

It's not President Bush's place to tell the employers of guardsmen what to do. That responsibility goes to the Governor of the state they come from. Maybe I'm just weird for believing in State rights and responsibilities.

You are really hung up on the armor issue. Seriously, research the military Acquisition program. You'll be surprised to find out what Murtha and Fienstein are/were doing when you weren't looking.

[armadilloze]

OK, so your governor can tell Commander Guy that he can't have his troops sent to Iraq? Interesting concept. :) SO uninformed...

Murtha after Iraq visit: "There were severe shortages in life-sustaining and life-saving equipment to include body armor, IED explosive radio frequency jamming devices, armored vehicles, and hydration systems. I further found shortages in radios, ammunition and weapons. I was the FIRST to report such shortages and worked to immediately begin rectifying them."

[kickahippie]

Are you stupid? Learn how Government works. A Governor can work with state legislatures to pass laws that require employers of Guardsmen to keep their jobs available. Or you can just refer them to The Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994 (USERRA 38 U.S.C. 4301-4334)

"We can go to Okinawa. We, we don't have—we can redeploy there almost instantly" - Rep. John Murtha

[armadilloze]

We were trying to beyond that with guarantees, but Chimpie said NO to our troops. Do you really think Red State governors are going to step on the toes of their big corporate contributors? How naive are you?

I remember a reality-based story on a recently returned troop who did not get his job back. It talked about the need for stronger legislation BushCult opposes. Will look for it.

Great Murtha quote! Also Jordon and Kuwait et al. Or stay the course to failure.

[kickahippie]

Actually, I just hit my 11 year mark this past July. Last time I directly supported ops downrange was in 04.

Google IYAAYAS.

[armadilloze]

"The question I have is - how will Democrats use the legislation Altmire proposes?"

To correct BushCult's disrespect for our troops. A rethug *could* have introduced this legislation and support our troops, but chose not to and support Chimpie instead. Case closed.

BTW, with all the adverse publicity (except on Faux News), they relented, but ONLY after it became politically expedient. SHAME! Do not vote for more of the same, Americans!

[kickahippie]

I'm a troop and my point of view is I'm being used by Democrats so they can gain political seats.

I guarantee you that we will still be in Iraq even if a Dem wins the presidency.

[armadilloze]

And when Chimpie and others pose with troops in staged events they aren't using you? Remember "mission accomplished?" Helping you is using you?

"I guarantee you that we will still be in Iraq even if a Dem wins the presidency." Only if there's a dominionist-apocalyptic coup led by traitors and the Dems don't get in.

[MKB2814]

Let's not forget, this year, Bush couldn't even lay the wreath at Arlington Cemetary this year.

Why does he disrespect the troops by failing to even leave his vacation for this?

[armadilloze]

MKB2814 - you beat me to it by about 12 minutes. :)

Yes, probably afraid he'd be booed. They're ducking opening pitches now, too. We the People have spoken.

Kickahippie must be stateside because you're right, the military censors a LOT of web sites because they are not secure enough in their beliefs to have them challenged. We'll restore all our troops' and veterans' freedoms Jan. 20, 2009. Hang in there, guys, help is on the way!

[kickahippie]

I haven't been stateside in 9 years except for the occasionally trip home or training TDY.

The military doesn't censor my home internet, so thank you for your continuing display of ignorance.

As for REAL HELP from the Democrats - I'll believe it when I see it.

[friendsofthefruitsof]

have ther reichwing done anything to make us safer or to reel in the drastic spending of the spend crazy democrats? I thinkthey just spent a whopping $800,000,000,000 on a useless war. As a Business man you might ask what have we bought for this? would it not have been easier to give them all $20,000 each? at this rate.

[kickahippie]

Has there been an attack on US soil since 11 Sep 2001?

A Business man might see it as an investment in the future. Interesting you can put a dollar figure on a "useless war." Can you tell me what it would have cost for containment to span the lifetime of Saddam, Uday, and Qusay?

$20,000 each to do what with exactly? What is it that you want to buy, invest in, or pay off that is more valuable than Democracy?

[armadilloze]

Fallacy: Just because B follows A, it doesn't mean that A caused B. You're like the cock who thinks his crowing causes the sun to rise.

One of many of Osama's stated goals was to impact our economy. Chimpie obliged. We also invaded and occupied a Muslim country, just as Osama said we'd do. BushCult has fulfilled every Al Qaeda wish. And worldwide terrorism is up sixfold. Thanks, BushCult. Job insurance for you.

[kickahippie]

So your counter point has to do with B following A and a cock crowing the sun to rise analogy. Excellent job!

I had job insurance before Osama. You really have no clue about whats going on with GWoT do you? It seems you forgot about the bombing of our embassies and the first attempt to blow-up the World Trade Center. Maybe you would have preferred the status quo of doing nothing which explains a lot about your arguments.

[armadilloze]

Go find a web site on common fallacies.

So like most Faux News viewers and the military, you believe Saddam was involved in 9/11 and a close pal of Osama, and that's why invaded and occupied IRAQ, even though Chimpie himself is on tape saying it's not true? And those WMD are where?

FYI, Osama is still at large while we lose time, money, and lives in your Iraq, thus setting back the GWOT. Sad. You (collectively) MUST get over this neocon "stay the course" love of failure!

[kickahippie]

No, I don't believe Saddam was involved in 9/11 or a pal of Osama. This needed to be done regardless of the reasons given. I just didn't agree with the timing.

You hate America with a passion because of President Bush and despise me because I'm in the military and support the mission. But what disturbs you most is that we're not failing like you would like.

[armadilloze]

Needed to be done? WHY? There were on WMD, and you admit the other reasons were all lies. The neocons put forth an ever-changing list of reasons. If you tell more than one story about the same event, that makes you a LIAR.

Another LIE: A Feb. 2001 State Dept. map of Al Qaeda activity did NOT include Iraq! Bush's failure and incompetency has helped our enemies. Please stop being a part of the problem - vote the liars and buffoons out!

[kickahippie]

Why - Saddam, Uday, Qusay. Plus I'm tired of going there and I don't want to pass it off to future generations to solve. WMD's a lie? Tell that to the Kurds, Shiites, and Iranians he gassed. And it's funny how I always deployed there with a chem-bag that needed to be "readily accessible" back in 2000 before President Bush and 2004, as well as some of my realitives did back in 1990, 1995, and 1998 (also before President Bush.)

[armadilloze]

We know he had WMD back then. There's a video of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam doing the deal (also in the "No End in Sight" movie featuring all republic spokespersons). We have the receipts showing what we sold him. Nothing to do with the WMD in liar Colin Powell's cartoon show at the U.N. that ended his career.

So where are the WMD promised before the war? Put up or shut up. And does the name Curve Ball ring a bell? :)

He bragged of non-existent WMD to scare Iran - and you.

[armadilloze]

"You hate America with a passion..."

Like most uninformed neocons, you make the mistake of equating America with whoever runs the current executive branch. They are NOT the same, so I resent your insult. Think back to what rethugs said about Clinton. By your logic, they "hate America." As to you, my precinct held a "Bake Sale for Body Armor." NO rethugs volunteered. WHY? They could care less about you. Case closed, you can't fight reality.

[kickahippie]

Neocon? Republicans didn't intentionally undermine the military during the Clinton Administration. Republicans disagreed with Operation Allied Force, but I don't recall timetables and holding funding hostage because of it.

Body Armor - Again, educate yourself about our Acquisition program. It's not the best because of the politics involved. Believe me, it's not like we had secret stockpiles somewhere not handing them out. Plus it's an old issue.

[armadilloze]

"Plus it's an old issue." Yes, I know you'd rather forget it as it's a reminder of how badly you were treated. Some of us care, though, especially us reality-based veterans.

A lot of base closings etc. were engineered by chickenhawk DICK "Other Priorities" Cheney, among others (Newt?), and sold as the "Peace Dividend." AKA using the military to buy votes. Look it up.

[armadilloze]

Long time no see. Give up?

No, there hasn't been an attack HERE, but global terrorism is up about sixfold since Chicken Cheney attacked a country that did not attack us. So a simple question:

What part of the word "global" do you not understand?

Take a stab, the questions get harder.

[kickahippie]

Give up? No, just waiting for you to add something useful or something new to the conversation.

Sixfold? Can you give me a reference? All I can find is an article about FBI referrals up sixfold dated back in 2002.

Where else in the world do you want to attack terror?

[armadilloze]

You didn't answer the question.

Answer the question first, then I'll reply to your question. Changing the subject only works with wingers who couldn't debate their way out of a wet paper bag.

[kickahippie]

What question?

[armadilloze]

Sheesh. Why do I bother with you neocons? Once again, (sigh),

"What part of the word 'global' do you not understand?"

You haven't replied to any of my other recent comments as well. Guess you're a beaten man.

BTW, 2002 was BEFORE we attacked a country that did not attack us. That was 2003. Just so's you know. Also, one article I found with the google said sevenfold, not sixfold. Get a lib to show you how to google, it's easy.

[kickahippie]

Like I said - sordid. You don't even realize how dumb you made yourself look.

"...but global terrorism is up about sixfold since Chicken Cheney attacked a country that did not attack us." - armadilloze

"BTW, 2002 was BEFORE we attacked a country that did not attack us. That was 2003." - armadilloze

[kickahippie]

Which means terror referrals were up before we attacked Iraq, making your point null.

You've also shown you're scared to reference your information because there is no valid reference for your tirades.

Your posts and attitude shows that all you care about is winning power and that you'd even support taking hostage of military benefits to attain it.

You are sordid.

[armadilloze]

Re references: You can't put URLs here, Einstein, so I encouraged you to be resourceful and simply use the google. Are you completely helpless? Can you even dress yourself? Boy, they HAVE lowered recruitment standards under BushCult! Too bad your chickenshit Young Republicans won't enlist.

Glad to know republiconvicts are not about winning power or increasing military benefits. No wonder they lost DeLay's old district by a 10% margin, and radical Santorum's by 18%! L-O-S-E-R-S - you love em!

[kickahippie]

LOL, you're pathetic. I'm unresourceful because I ask you to reference information that you posed? Struggling now are we?

Copy and paste the complete title of your reference, the date, and author, e.g., I want you to copy and paste:

"Transcript & Video: Bush's Victory Speech" "Friday, November 05, 2004" "Foxnews"

Google and MSN will list exact article I want you to see.

[armadilloze]

Google "worldwide terrorism increase sevenfold." Is that within the range of neocon talents? Do you need to be spoonfed everything, little boy? Sheesh - no wonder you vote BushCult. Here's your "pathetic" neocon, everyone. Helpless, needs to be told everything.

[armadilloze]

From that speech: "And then our servicemen and women will come home with the honor they have earned." Yeah, to mice in Walter Reed, and corporate crony-friendly attacks on job protection, and 20,000 concealed brain injury cases. Thanks for nothing, BushCult.

"With good allies at our side..." See my unanswered message here re what happened to "The Coalition of the Willing" (search this page for that text if you can, or just look around till you stumble on it).

[armadilloze]

From your story: "Now we move forward to serve and to guard the country we love."

But from today's news is this:

Emergency Responders Face Deep Aid Cuts

AP, Dec. 1

WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration intends to slash counterterrorism funding for police, firefighters and rescue departments across the country by more than half next year, according to budget documents obtained by The Associated Press.

There you have it. Vote for your own security, people, the neocons have abandoned you.

[Imaculata]

Where else? Saudie Arabia, America's greatest ally. That's where more than half of the 9/11 terrorists came from. Why didnt that country get attacked?

[kickahippie]

What would the point be? The Saudis that despise us and want to fight are already finding their way to Iraq.

[armadilloze]

So you admit they censor your Internet (or "the internets" as Chimpie calls it) overseas? Jeepers, why don't they just hire Castro as communications director? What's wrong with freedom?

The Dems have introduced a LOT of legislation to help and increase funding for troops and vets. Almost all rethugs oppose them, and as said, Chimpie vetoed one that particularly irritated me, being a vet. Someone else mentioned the Webb Amendment, look it up if you dare.

[kickahippie]

Why would I deny it? There's nothing wrong with it. Web sites like this one pose a risk to our network security at work. Troops are free to do what they want with their home computers.

The Democrats tie the legislation to bills of defeat which is why Republicans oppose them. Democrats play with the welfare of troops to further their sordid strategy for political power.

Why would you dare me to read the Web Amendment - what are you, 8 yrs old?

[armadilloze]

And the neocons in Congress chant "support the troops" with every piece of legislation. What's your point? Where were you 2001-2006 when they cut benefits? Remember when The Decicder fought against a lousy *$6 per month* increase in combat pay we patriots supported? Why do you vote against your own interests?

I dare you to read it so you will be better informed. Nothing else has worked. Read it and tell us what it said so we know you actually educated yourself.

[kickahippie]

I was serving my country. Guess I should vote Democrat so I can get A WHOLE $6 MORE PER MONTH in combat pay (LOL.) Thanks a lot you patriot. Was that raised in a bake sale, too.

I read it awhile ago and then again after you dared me. It's tied to FY08 funding appropriations bill for the military (imagine that.) It will force people to be deployed longer and move people of one career field to another to satisfy requirements.

[armadilloze]

"President Bush has threatened to veto a House defense bill over a provision that raises the pay for U.S. soldiers by 3.5 percent, instead of the 3 percent preferred by the White House."

This 3% raise would give them approximately $29, all right. 0.5% gives them an extra $6. We're talking about $6 for someone that is serving over in Iraq and Afghanistan that is away from their families. It's not too much to ask. - Todd Bowers, Iraq war veteran

Bush "preferred" less, you lose. Sorry.

[armadilloze]

It's "Democratic." If you are going to live in America, you should learn to speak proper English (yes, I do the same thing to mock the ignorant).

So the Dems originated stop-loss and 15-month multiple tours? News to me, shows what I know. Enjoy your stay, I'll look after your wife and take your job. :)

The bake sale in a county that votes 70% GOP but couldn't find ONE to help out? Ayup. They really "support the troops" here - but only with yellow ribbons on their SUV.

[friendsofthefruitsof]

booed just like Alberto Gonzalez in Florida Keep the heat coming! turn it up.

[kickahippie]

LOL! I know I could never change your sordid opinions about who abuses us more, but just know that there is at least one (me) who keeps close tabs on the politics in D.C. that sees the military being used by Democrats for political gain.

When you take anything that could improve the quality of life for us and tie it to legislative defeat just so you can say, "I told you so" during 08 campaigns - You're abusing the military.

[friendsofthefruitsof]

we mock you and your foolishness. you are sooooo duped and played by your monkey in a mansuit george dubious and DICK cheyney

[kickahippie]

Mock me? You think mocking me is by insinuating that I've been duped by President Bush and Vice President Cheney?

Sounds like the typical response that I've heard over the past 4 years from sordid Liberals with an agenda to gain political power.

[armadilloze]

Well, I'd just say that using anything for political gain is what real Americans call "democracy." Rethugs use guns, gays, and god, ferinstance, as well as dark-skinned people and fear.

Abusing the military includes stop-loss, extended tours, cutting vet benefits, reclaiming bonuses, deploying without body and vehicle armor, rat-infested hospitals, and other punishment from BushCult. How much more can you take from them? Be a man, stand up for your rights!

[kickahippie]

Do you live your life in stereo-types?

Do you seriously think that's what life is like for all military? I thought you said you were a vet? Must of been a LONG time ago, maybe even not at all.

ROFLMAO, who the hell are you to tell me to be a man?

[armadilloze]

YOU are living the stereotype. You are a creature of free will, and you chose a name that invokes hatred and violence, giving credence to the neocon stereotype. That goes to your beliefs and character. You hurt your own cause. Fine. And I AM a volunteer vet, and yes, some time ago.

Yes, be a man, expand your sources of information beyond the party line and Faux News, unless you are too insecure in your beliefs to do so. A real man can do that.

[kickahippie]

Really, you know that from my name? You related to Miss Cleo?

What brach of service were you in? What was your job? Where were you stationed? How long ago did you serve? How many years of service did you put in?

Rest assured then that I am a real man.

[armadilloze]

Kick - violence. Hippie - object of that violence, traditional target of wingnuts, doesn't sound very family-friendly. You chose it, deal with it.

Getting personal, aren't we? Cheney is watching, but I guess these details are benign: Army, late 1960s, three years, scientist/mathematician, southwest USA, radicalized my politics seeing things firsthand. They were great at creating progressives. Medical issues were my primary gripe - long, bitter story.

[armadilloze]

OK, ya got me. Your CiC was AWOL from the annual Veterans Day ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery this year, missing a great photo-op with prop troops. He was busy in Waco for 5 days, where he did pose at an American Legion post staged event. The real preznit, DICK Cheney, laid the wreath Bush couldn't be bothered with, and said Chimpie sent his best. Thanks, guy.

Stay tuned, more from Scott McClellan on treason at 11.

[MKB2814]

See now that's a lie because troops aren't allowed to access youtube.

Most people from the 60's mature and gain greater perspective. You on the other hand wallow in the decade.

[kickahippie]

You're a dork. Honestly, where do you get your info? I can't access YT from work computers, but the military has nothing to do with my home computer.

My screen name really upsets you, doesn't it? Where you one of those dirty butt hippies? I bet you were because I can smell your foulness in your posts.

[armadilloze]

Your name manages to invoke both hatred and violence. That helps reinforce the BushCult stereotype we all know. Soooo typical! Thanks for the confirmation.

Why not kickaqueer? Kickablack (or their other favorite racial epithet)? Kickamuslim? Kickawhoeverwehatetoday?

Maybe we real Americans should use kickatraitor, kickakkk, kickaneocon, kickaracist, kickarapistofa14yearold, kickabookburner, and kickacensor? :)

[kickahippie]

ROFLMAO, You're sad. Is attacking my screen name really all that is left of your argument? You're telling me you have nothing left to offer but name calling and assumptions?

Is there any coherent minded Liberal here who cares to have a reasonable discussion about the topic?

[friendsofthefruitsof]

but you are unreasonable and stuck on i love bush dubious and the Reichwing. The war is illegal and it is a BIg waste of Money and for what? you are a 23%er and falling. why hang on? even the majority of your party has abandoned Cheyney and Co.

[kickahippie]

Unreasonable? Where have I been unreasonable? I don't love Bush, but I do support him and others on the issue of GWoT.

The war is not illegal: Public Law No: 107-243 (Sen. Reid (D-NV) voted Yea, Resolution 1441, and Resolution 678.

I don't make decisions based on polls.

[armadilloze]

"There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today." -Tom DeLay on Bosnia, 1999

[kickahippie]

If we were to pull out Iraq - How do we do it? How long will it take? What is the plan to deal with Iraq if it capitulates from instability? Are we going to send AIDE and Food drops? How will it affect our Middle East Foreign Policy? Are you still going to be pushing for better military benefits afterwards? Will you still have bake sales to provide armor for the military during peace time so that it won't be an issue for you during war time?

[armadilloze]

Don't think I answered this. Short answer: Stop the incompetence! Vote out the idiots! If BushCult knew how to get us out, why haven't they done so? We're in a hole, take away their shovel!

Taking away the #1 cause of resentment will positively affect our ME policy OVERNIGHT! And restore our image around the world. We need our former allies back in the GWOT.

Always for benefits, you guys are the biggest BushCult victims. Except for murdered 14 year old rape victims.

[armadilloze]

Polls count when they're elections. Freedom is returning all over the world as people wake up to BushCult:

Howard Government Suffers Defeat In Australian Parliamentary Election

WSJ

SYDNEY - Australian Prime Minister John Howard suffered a humiliating defeat in national elections Saturday, according to preliminary results, most likely ending the political career of one the Asia-Pacific region's most enduring conservative leaders and a key ally of U.S. President George W. Bush in the region.

[kickahippie]

Polls count to politicians, not to me.

Good thing I'm not an Aussie.

[armadilloze]

Not a poll, an election. See also results in Poland, Japan, U.K. (Blair is history). Back Bush, get voted out, except - France, LOL! The people have spoken.

"The Coalition of the Willing. Remember them? It was basically America and the UK, and then 48 other countries that sent token forces. So how is that working out? Well, 20 countries have since withdrawn all of their forces. Several more are about to. Almost all of the remaining countries have reduced the number of their troops in Iraq."

[friendsofthefruitsof]

you were and have been played by your fears the last 2x there were no terrorists in IRAQ they FOLLOWED us there. Dont be a dupe and believe what your "job keepers" are ingraining in you. yes we need to stay there in many respects. If you have a steak in yoru heart you need to keep it there until it can be removed safely.

[kickahippie]

ROFLMAO! It may be possible that I'm a mindless zombie with a stake in the heart, but I can still see thru your BS.

[friendsofthefruitsof]

we are against you being there in the first place! we are the ones trying to get you home. and would you not think that at least we care? what do the republicans care? they give shoody care, less compensation and a grand ole fuck you when you return. how about that surge in homeless Iraqq vets?

[kickahippie]

And what has your Congressman done about it for the past 4 years? Believe me, I'm all for better benefits. I'm just not sordid enough to want them bad enough at the cost of defeat of my country so Democrats can gain some seats.

If you truly cared enough about troop benefits - would you support clean bills to correct deficiencies in those areas or would you be outraged if it were not tied to troop withdrawal?

[armadilloze]

Hey, We the People have only had Congress for 10 months. Almost all pro-military reforms, including withdrawal, have been VETOED or blocked by rethug filibusters. We (well, you) need a pro-military president and veto-proof Congress before you see real relief. Too late for those who could have had more armor, though. Hang in there! Vote in your own interest! Help is on the way! Only impeachment could speed things up.

[kickahippie]

Way not to answer the question. It's interesting to see what you consider pro-military. I don't think your ilk will be able to hijack that term like they did with "Progressive."

[armadilloze]

I answered. The rethugs' record speaks for itself, doesn't need me. Stop the vetoes, stop blocking pro-troop legislation by voting Dem. Stop looking for a bigger shovel when you're stuck in a hole. That will never work.

We say that if The Decider and his neocons knew how to "win," why hasn't he already done so? Because there's still more money to be made, perhaps? The only victory left is cutting our losses, not compounding our losses.

[kickahippie]

No, you didn't. I didn't ask Republicans or Democrats - I asked you.

If YOU truly cared enough about troop benefits - would YOU support clean bills to correct deficiencies in those areas or would YOU be outraged if it were not tied to troop withdrawal?

[armadilloze]

A "clean" bill without accountability and an exit strategy would help troops far less than one that just raised pay and provided for armor and such, so no, I wouldn't go halfway for our guys. What good is more pay if you're dead? The neocons' incompetence has made accountability necessary - someone has to lead.

So you oppose accountability and want the blank check, I assume. Rethugs used to be the party of "personal responsibility and accountability," but no more.