I saw this entire debate. Jesus left us with a choice. Just like Adam and Eve. Either He is who He said He is or not. There is no "middle ground". He didn't claim to be a prophet.....even though for all intents and purposes He is one of those too.
@Xenophile665 if you talk to anyone studying the historical jesus, they will quickly point out that the historical jesus is different from the "real jesus", which is not accessible to us because we can't go back in time. it's a subtle distinction, but there's no way to verify whether historical jesus is the real jesus. finding historical figures is just about filtering out contradictions to get to what the unified opinion was of others who were historians, since we have no writings from him.
@amn3h23h2 that is very true of historical figures... In this case we have more than just that. We have over 2000 yrs of non-changing orthodox Christian history of Jesus, tradition, preservation of documents, and un changing church tradition. The orthodox Christian church was the first Christian church.
Christian heathen ignorants.What will it take for you to accept the truth of the holy Quran.
The true word of God almighty.I am not telling you to do it for me but for yourselfs.To save yourselfs from eternal hellfire.God does NOT accept any man invented religions but Islam.I can guess you are now going to speak hate and evil,but you're only hurting yourselfs with it.Just open your eyes and accept the only truth:ISLAM!
I take it by this statement you're aware of your own religions history right? In that, Muslims were formerly known as "Muhammadists" as they followed the leader Muhammad who had at least 25 wives during his life. And before that you were know as the Ishmaelytes because you come from Abraham's son Ishmael who was not the promised son like Isaac was. The prophecy is true concerning your people in that they would war against Gods people until the time of the end.
Jesus was intruducing man to his concept of God for the first time and invalidating the Jews perception of him at his Sermon on the Mount speech. He said repeatedly, "You have heard it said" and "You have seen it written... But I tell you". This was telling the men of that day that they had it all wrong.
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Died Friday DAY? ok, in tomb a few seconds of friday DAY 1 day, all day saturday, 2 days, early morning Sunday, fine 3 days??
Died friday Day, in tomb Friday Night 1 NIGHT, all day and NIGHT Saturday, 2 NIGHTS, out Sunday early morning??? 2 nights, and 3?Days at best. "just like Jonah...I will be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights! Your stuff is a TRADITION of MEN! and not Biblical. But, I am sure that it dosent matter to you?? I just dont understand why you Live a Lie and are content?
zatoilluminati - Jesus died at the 9th hour (3 pm) at the same time of the "evening" sacrifice. Sky was black, earthquake and veil of the temple was torn top to bottom - meaning men now have direct access to God the Father through Jesus. Jews still recon the beginning of the day from sunset not sunrise.
"Paradise" is generally accepted as heaven. No, the rich man was not in paradise, he was in hell and beggar Lazarus was in Paradise - but you know that was what Jesus meant in the story.
@fwfassett WAS jESUS THERE with HIM "TODAY"? cAN YOU SHOW ME THE CHAPTER AND VERSE?? wHEN DID jESUS ASCEND TO HEAVEN(PARADISE)? dIDNT HE SAY, i HAVE not YET ASCENDED TO MY fATHER? SO WHERE WAS jESUS AND THIS THIEF AT? iS PARADISE(HEAVEN) WHERE THEY CAN SEE AND TALK TO THE PPEOPLE IN HELL? caps lock, lol. You seem to do alot of assuming? If it was 3pm, when did they get him down and moved and prepared and in the tomb? Still NOT 3days and 3nights, by a long shot!
@zatoilluminati - Apparently you don't understand that Jesus' body could be in the tomb while His soul and spirit went to heaven along with the thief's. At resurrection spirit, soul and body were joined again. He told Mary at the tomb that He had not ascended to His Father yet. The Bible says He descended and brought the dead "in Abraham's bosom" to heaven. Then for over 40 days He appeared to over 500 people - even eating with them. No, people in heaven can't see or speak to those in hell.
@fwfassett lol, you just make things up, dont you? "jesus body COULD be in the tomb while his spirit and soul went to Heaven?? When Jesus says "I" have not yet ascended to heaven, does "I" equal BODY?? If "I" is BODY, what is "Spirit" and "Soul"?? What is "Spirit"? and what is "Soul"? Are you trying to say Jesus, while being part of the Trinity, had within himself, his "second nature" another "trinity" of spirit soul and body?? lolol. He two, two, two trinitys in one!
@zatoilluminati - You are really funny - I'll give you that. I give up trying to explain it to you. It's not that easy to understand I agree. In John 14:26 Jesus said "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." Perhaps you cannot understand because you don't have the Holy Spirit. God bless you and show you the way.
@fwfassett Perhaps you could try to explain? If God became man(the son), did God also become the Fatjher and did God also become the Holy Spirit? That shouldnt be that hard if that is what you believe. You should have some "BASIS" for what you believe. If God ONLY became the son and the son is eternal, what was the son before he became man? Was he a spirit? God is a spirit, the son is a spirit and the Holy Spirit is a spirit? Whose "IMAGE" are we then? Can you see the BS coming out?
@fwfassett You do know that the 12 apostles never thought this. Did they believe BEFORE they got the Holy Spirit, as you just said is why I cant believe? You entire trinity is so wrong and you have to keep cjhanging ideas and definitions and meanings to force it to "kinda" work. Problem your method is a LIE. Can you show 1 place in the Bible where God is Three was taught or was a discussed? Not alluded to, discussed! This is a creation and fabrication of 2ond century ROMANS.
@zatoilluminati - last reply. You are correct that the 12 apostles often had great difficulty understanding what Jesus said, but (as He said) they did begin to understand after Jesus appeared and gave them the Holy Spirit in the upper room. Jesus' last words quoted in Matthew 28:19 were "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," [3 parts of the Trinity named by Jesus himself.]
Hope you are aware that the mention of trinity that you point to was not origanally included in the gospel. Take the time to read the notes in whatever bible you have in your possession concerning this. And if you are a true believer, read all of the bible, not just the new testament or the phrases that agrees with your belief. Read stuff that goes against your belief. Because someone has given you an intellect as well.
@ahamann80 - My Bibles show Matthew 28:19. King James - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:". NIV shown above. English Standard - " Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," Holman - "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
@fwfassett Before you accuse someone of not "having" the "Holy Spirit" wouldn't it make sense to first prove that such a thing exists? Otherwise in believing you have just made a "Gotcha" statement, what you've actually done is pay him/her a great compliment at your own expense.
You guys have a bad habit of doing that. You take something on "faith" (which means its completely unfounded) and then you arrogantly insult people for not "knowing" the same thing. Is THAT what Christianity's about?
@aburling7 - I'm sorry if you thought I was "accusing" someone of not having the Holy Spirit. It sounds more like you are the one making accusations and insults to me. A non-Christian cannot understand unless God shows you. Perhaps some day God will show you the Way and you will understand.
@fwfassett Lets see if I got this right? Jesus is part of the "Trinity" (father, son and holy spirit), he is also a man, who has another "Trinity"(spirit, soul and body) not to be confused with (mind, body and spirit?) Does the Father also have His own seperate extra "Trinity"?, does the Holy Spirit have "his" extra little "Trinity"? Is Jesus God who became man? Or is Jesus man that became God? Did God become the Father?? Did God become the Holy Spirit? Did God become the son???
@MeKelsior "Because Paul was an apostle ..." That does not mean anything. He was not one of Jesus' 12 apostles. Paul never actually met Jesus except in a vision. It's most likely that he was an epileptic and had a seizure. Sorry, but I don't see any more reason to believe anything that Paul said about Jesus than to believe anything that Sai Baba said about God.
@MeKelsior "Because Paul was an apostle ..." That does not mean anything. He was not one of Jesus' 12 apostles. Paul never actually met Jesus except in a vision. It's most likely that he was an epileptic and had a seizure. Sory, but I don't see any more reason to believe anything that Paul said about Jesus than to believe anything that Sai Baba said about God.
@AThagoras Paul wasnt an apostle. in Acts the 11 caim up with stipulations that were required to ba an aposlte. Paul dosent even come close to having the minimun requirements to be an apostle. Paul is the SELF-PROCLAIMED APOSTLE, that is all. As far as "seizure" goes, you are probably right. He couldnt even get that LIE straight. Luke says, we saw a light but heard NO voice. Paul says, they did not see but they HEARD?? He also admitted to lying and stealing from the church. He is no apostle.
i respect the KING of the jews ( the christ) for i know that he was a great man...in all fairness, i must concede that the KING of the jews was not a deity...no, i not a muslim / jew. am only a reader that appreciates knowledge that's explicit...unclear knowledge is a suspect...it's important to remember that the the KING of the jews spoke in idioms...not to be taken literally...
this is an educational video for anyone that's interested in theology...
Jesus was crucified for blasphemy, and never denied his own claims. Either he lied, or was insane. This middle ground you cult followers try to create is blasphemy within itself. He himself will judge you one day.
@b1foschiefs ahh, a quote from CS LEWIS! did you know he belonged to a secrete society?? do you know which one and who else was in that same secrete society and what they believed? The Hermetic (Majik) Order of the Golden Dawn, with many writers if witchcraft, spells and majik such as JRR TOLKIEN. They also had ties to Helena Blavasky the inventor or the ARYAN RACE and mentor to Hitler. He is not what he sems, neither was Paul
@zatoilluminati I cant find where I quotedd CS Lewis. But, I'm not much into conspiracy theories and secret orders so I find your comment irrelevant. All I can do is judge what I have read from him, and he was a brilliant thinker who loved God. Besides, he spent the first part of his life as a staunch atheist. What kind of secret dirt do you have on Paul? Did he live a secret double life of which only you know about? You got your facts wrong below, better check it.
@b1foschiefs No, everybody knows about it, even you. Uou just refuse to see it because you are comfortable with your "traditions of men". Who besides told you that the law was done away with? Who besides Paul says we are saved by faith? Who besides paul says the Law is a curse. Who besides Paul calls hisself father? Who besides Paul BLINDED someone? Who besides Paul did everyone in Asia "TURNED AWAY FROM". Who says "I robbed Churches by taking wages from them"? Who killed Stephen?
@zatoilluminati - Have you actually read the Bible? Jesus obviously claimed to be God - and that is what this video is about. What about Jesus' telling the thief on the cross after his confession he would be with Jesus in Paradise "this day"? The thief had no opportunity to sacrifice or follow the Law before the end of the day. He was saved by faith. Jesus accepted worship many times, and claimed the "I AM" name of God. "I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life..." John 14:6
@fwfassett well, lets look at that. Jesus said TODAY, you will be with ME in Paradise?? today, Jesus died, right about "night".Friday night(Good Friday), saturday DAY 1st day, Jesus was in the tomb, Sunday MORNING(2ond DAY)(partial day) Jesus was resurected. So excatlly where was Jesus and this thief "TODAY". Did he say paradise? and you want this to mean...WHAT?? Is paradise where lazarus and the rich man were? Is it heaven, the Kingdom?? Abes Bosom? BTW not 3 days and 3 nights as Jonah??
@fwfassett Jesus CLAIMED to be God?? What, in a meely-mouthed kind of way. did Jesus like beating around the bush? hinting and leaving clues? never really coming out and saying it?? Name ONE place where Jesus says I AM GOD? Or, ONE place where God says I am Jesus, or I am THREE. and, how come YOU always Leave Out the Holy Spirit. Where did "he"? CLAIM tio be God?
@zatoilluminati - You are not very illuminated in spite of your name. The reason why the Jewish leaders wanted Him killed was because He claimed to be God. In the temple they tried to stone Him after He said "Before Abraham was born, I AM" - taking the covenant name of God for Himself. The Chief priest asked him pointblank and His answer caused the priest to tear his clothes (which was forbidden by the Jewish scripture) because of what he thought was Jesus' blasphemy - claiming He was God.
@b1foschiefs cs lewis quote, That you claim you never heard?? Either he is who he says he is or he is a madman. Heres a quote from Jesus ACCORDING TO PAUL, "It is hard for you to kick against the pricks"?? Do you think Jesus said that? Jesus , the son of God?
@zatoilluminati Never claimed I had never heard, you put words in my mouth just like you force your own heresy on scripture. You need to cite scripture, your paraphrasing is not only inaccurate but not relevant. Just because you cant understand the gospel, doesn't mean it is not true. Try putting scripture with your quotes. You cultist think you can cite one scripture and that scripture supercedes all scripture in your mind, as if the bible should be only five scriptures total. Dont bother me.
@b1foschiefs lol, NO COMMENT?? Its just as well, you seem a little meely-mouthed. "never claimed I didnt hear it"?? Its hard for you to kick against the pricks, too, huh? Did you say ONE scripture?? I cited 9 in one post. It would be best if you just ran away, I wont bother you again.
@zatoilluminati Actually I was out of town, and you dont scripturally intimidate me one bit. But, I have dealt with you cult followers before and I can find better use of my time than listen to you all twist scripture and run me in circular arguements all because you dont understand the basics of what scripture teaches. Besides, I said dont bother me, dont be a cyber bully, I didn't initiate this conversation with you.
Did Jesus claim to be God in his teachings? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Who did Jesus claim to be? The Son of God, Jn 10:36.
Peter also knew who Jesus was; " ... the Son of the Living God", Mt 16:16
John said that we must confess that Jesus Christ is the "Son of God", I Jn 4:15.
It's too bad that psuedo Christianity upholds the illogical creeds of Rome's Babylonian tri-headed god, rather than embrace the clear teachings of scripture that the One God has a Son, Jesus Christ, the Messiah.
@Str8Talker365 Paul was very clear in his writings that Jesus was God. Hebrew chapter 1 explains that even the Father calls The Son, God. The status of the Son of God, the Son of Man, is the Creator of heaven and earth and all that in them is, Paul writes in Colossians that everything was Created by Jesus and FOR Jesus. John writes in chapter 1 of the gospel, that All things was made by Jesus, and without Jesus not anything was made that was made. This means Jesus is Eternal. =)
@Mekelsior "Paul was very clear in his writings that Jesus was God." Well how on earth did Paul know anything about that? That's like me declaring that Krishna was gay. Why would you believe him?
@AThagoras Because Paul was an apostle and was suppored and accepted by Peter and James, followers of Jesus. Who also believed Jesus was God. Peter even admitted it, "You are the Christ" and John wrote that Jesus was the Great I AM, Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, our Creator and our Savior. Isayah writes as well, that our Creator and our Savior, is GOD. =)
@Mekelsior Paul wasnt accepted and supported by anyone, much less the 12 original apostles. None of the churches oir the first christians followed Paul. Read Timothy, Paul says, ALL IN ASIA HAVE TURNED AWAT FROM ME. That is a fact. Paul is the corrupter of the scriptures. The TWISTER. The inventor of BY FAITH and an admited LIAR. He is the ONLY one to say the Law is abolished, the ONLY ONE. He is a murderer and a thief. And now, the HERO of the "Christians". Thats why they are so messed up
@Str8Talker365 Here is another statement that is important to ponder, 1 Tim 1:1 that states that Jesus Christ is our Hope, and 4:10 that states that our hope is to the Living God who is the Savior of all men. It is clear here, at least to me, that Jesus Christ our Hope is the Living God the Savior of all men. Jesus is also described as the Life, the Way and the Truth. Paul writes in Heb 12, that Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our Faith. Compare the titles of Jesus with that of the Father.
Jesus created nothing, but was himself created by God, Who ALONE is inherently immortal, I Tim 6:15-16. Jesus Christ is the "beginning of the creation of God", Rev 3:14, the "first fruits" of the resurrection, I Cor 15:20, and the "first born" from the DEAD, Col 1:18.
Colossians1 establishes the preeminence of Christ, for "by" (because of) him were all things created by God because redemption was possible for all because of Christ.
The Book of Revelation starts off saying GOD(Yaweh) gave the revelation to Jesus to pass down!!! So we see a clear distinction between GOD and Jesus right off the bat!!!
Then it says, we are made to a kingdom and priest to serve his GOD and Father!!! Rev.1:6 - Who is his GOD and Father??? Obviously his GOD and Father is Yaweh, the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!!
So there is a clear distinction between Jesus and GOD(Yaweh). The Most High GOD is the Father(Yaweh), not Jesus!!!
1 Samuel 15:29: "He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for He(GOD) is not a man, that he should change his mind."
Job 9:32: "He(GOD) is not a man like me that I might answer him, that we might confront each other in court."
Hosea 11:9: "I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim. For I am GOD, and not man - the Holy One among you. I will not come in wrath."
1 Samuel 15:29: "He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for He(GOD) is not a man, that he should change his mind."
Job 9:32: "He(GOD) is not a man like me that I might answer him, that we might confront each other in court."
Hosea 11:9: "I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim. For I am GOD, and not man - the Holy One among you. I will not come in wrath."
sons of god-ROM 8:13-all who are led by the spirit of gos are the SONS OF GOD.GEN 6:2-the SONS OF GOD saw that the daughters of men were beautiful. GAL 3:26-you are all SONS OF GOD thru faith in christ..MAT 5:9-blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called SONS OF GOD.LUKE 20:16-..they are equal to angels and are SONS OF GOD.JOB 1:6-..was a day when the SONS OF GOD came...and satan also came.JOB 38:7-the morning star sang..and all the SONS OF GOD shouted for joy. The one and only???
HAHAHAHA, try reading the entire context and stop cherry pickin!!!
The context of John.5:37-44 is the Father(Yaweh). Jesus said, no one has seen GOD or heard His voice in John.5:37, and Jesus said our GOD is the Father(Yaweh) in John.5:44.
Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that He is your GOD. John.8:54 - the Father(Yaweh) is our GOD, not Jesus!!!
Jesus said unto them, If GOD were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from GOD; neither came I of myself, but He(GOD) sent me. John.8:42
Jesus said, I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John.5:30
Grace to you and peace from GOD our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. First, I thank my GOD through Jesus Christ for you all. Romans.1:7,8
@epic103--John 5:30 and 8:42 refer to your recycled topic of being 'sent'. Go back and study why you've abandoned this subject often. As for Romans 1:7-8--->Read Titus 2:13, II Peter 1:1, I Tim 3:16, II Corr. 6:16 and Acts 20:28
@epic103--And by the way, I know it's a part of your theology, but the name 'Jehovah'--instead of YHWH or Yaweh--is more than improper. It's actually inaccurate. The first part of the Sacred Name "Yah" was changed to "Jeh" as the "J" developed and the "a" was replaced with "e" to hide the name.
LOL!!! Nicy try, but look up the word Jehovah(Yaweh) in any encylopedia or dictionary and see what they give for a definition. Yahweh(Jehovah) = GOD ALMIGHTY(Most High).
Plus, the exact spelling of the name for GOD isn't as important as to what it represents!!!
It's clear from all of the Scriptures that Jesus has a GOD throughout the Bible!!! Jesus has a GOD, but GOD(Yaweh) has no GOD, because He is GOD!!!
Blessed be the GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1Peter.1:3
@epic103--'…LOL!!! Nicy try, but look up the word Jehovah(Yaweh) in any encylopedia or dictionary and see what they give for a definition…'--epic103
I know this is a hard pill for you to swallow. The source I cited deals specifically with little nuggets of information such as this and dismantles misconceptions and popular beliefs of the traditions of men
@epic103-- Meriam-Webster or Brittanica will not do the exhaustive research as done in 'Strong's' or even 'Brown, Driver, Briggs, Gesenius' or 'Baur, Arndt and Gingrich'. Sorry.
@epic103--'…Plus, the exact spelling of the name for GOD isn't as important as to what it represents!!!…'--epic103
Wow. To make a long story short, a german clergyman asked the pope if he could insert vowels within consonants to make a name. The pope said fine! So, the Watch Tower should give credit to conjurers of the made up name in their theology
@epic103--If you know that 'Yaweh' or 'YHWH' is accurate, then why continue to misspell it? If the 'Jehovah' rendering isn't the true name, then what can it 'restore' in your theology? The hybrid name 'Jehovah' that Strong's Hebrew Dictionary identifies as inaccurate is dangerous
@epic103--To call on the fake 'Jehovah' name invokes the the one who creates ruin, creates mischief, perverse things, very wickedness. We must take caution who we pray to. Satan must be proud that there are some who believe and refer to God by the name 'Jehovah' that perfectly fits Satan himself as the Destroyer!
@epic103--'…Jesus has a GOD, but GOD(Yaweh) has no GOD, because He is GOD!!!…'--epic103
Since I believe that Yaweh manifested Himself in the flesh, walked among the people and dwells within us according to prophetic scripture and know that you can't produce who else Yaweh manifested Himself in the flesh as if not as Jesus, then i know you just presented nothing
@epic103--'…Blessed be the GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1Peter.1:3…'--epic103
As for I Peter 1:3----> read Zech. 12:10 and John 18:8 where Yaweh in the flesh says, 'eipon humin hoti ego eimi' after He used 'ego eimi' in verse 6 making everyone draw back and fall to the ground.
Jesus is not LITERALLY GOD in the flesh!!! GOD(Yaweh) is a Spirit!!!
Jesus said, only one is your Father(GOD), and He is in heaven!! Jesus makes clear, our GOD and Father is in heaven!!! So according to Jesus, our GOD is the Father(Yaweh) and He is in heaven!!!
Plus, there is no way for you to dance around verses like John.20:17, 1Peter.1:3, 2Cor.1:2, Eph.1:17, Col.1:3, Rev.1:6, Rev.3:12, Rev.7:10, Rev.21:22 etc.. where it clearly shows that Jesus has a GOD!!!
@epic103--'…Jesus is not LITERALLY GOD in the flesh!!!…'--epic103
Again--while you have yourself backed into a corner on this one, you put yourself into a position where you have to explain who else God was in the flesh as then. Or offer an alternative explanation of what else prophetic scripture equated to other than what it says. You can't.
@epic103--First things first--you need to keep up with what you already used in your scripted responses. Count how many times you ran away from the topic of John 20:17. Go back and study why you ran away from Rev. 1:5-6, 3:12, 7:10, 21:22 each time.
@epic103--As for II Corr. 1:2 and Eph.1:17--->some time back you brought up a topic on how most of the letters of the Apostles began. Go back and see why you ran from the topic. After that, read II Corr. 6:16, Eph. 4:9-10 and Col. 2:9 and see how it relates to the topic you abandoned. And while we're somewhat on that topic, in Peter's first letter it also starts out like you say--but by his second letter we have the passage II Pet. 1:1
Because 2Peter.1:1,2 shows a distinction between our GOD and Jesus!!! Look at verse2, Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of GOD, and of Jesus our Lord. 2Peter.1:2 - the knowledge of GOD and of Jesus!!!
Jesus received power from GOD our Father!!! 2Peter.1:17
Of this man's(David) seed hath GOD according to his promise raised unto Israel a Savior, Jesus. Acts.13:23 - GOD raised up a Savior!!!
@epic103--II Pet. 1:1 shows one who's called God and Savior in the singular. It's nothing new for me to say Yaweh was manifested in the flesh and for Him to walk among us was through His tangible flesh form/incarnation(Yaweh-Yasha)
@epic103--With that said, since a dual nature doesn't equate to the 2 distinct persons in your plural majesty that ancient monotheistic Hebrews had no comprehension or recognition of, then your theology idolatrously poses 2 gods in verse 2---after it's already established in verse 1 we're talking about Yaweh in the flesh
@epic103--Clarke's Commentary on the Bible speaks on this particular passage--the 'acknowledging' of both manifestations; those who don't acknowledge Yaweh in the flesh before men will not receive multiplication of grace and peace.
@epic103--'…Jesus received power from GOD our Father!!! 2Peter.1:17…'--epic103
This by no means a new topic. This should remind you of when you ran from discussing Matt. 3:16, 17 multiple times. Go study why you abandon this issue again and again.
@epic103--'…Of this man's(David) seed hath GOD according to his promise raised unto Israel a Savior, Jesus. Acts.13:23 - GOD raised up a Savior!!!..'--epic103
Now let's go to Zech. 12:10--…they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes they will mourn for Him as one mourns his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.' --->God speaks of being pierced and desrcibes His incarnation, comparing it to like how we would see our own child.
When the Jews(and Jesus was a Jew) spoke of GOD as being one(1) GOD. They meant that the TRUE GOD(Yaweh) was one(singular) supreme being!!! They had no concept of trinity!!!
The LORD GOD(Yaweh) is the GOD of Abraham, the GOD of Moses, the GOD of Jesus etc... That's why Jesus said the LORD our GOD is one GOD, and there is no GOD but Him!!! Jesus said, "OUR GOD."
Meaning the LORD GOD is his GOD too!
The LORD GOD will give him(Jesus) the throne of David. Luke.1:32
@epic103--Now go to Acts 20:28--Yaweh purchased the church with His own blood. Now go to I Tim. 3:16 and II Corr. 6:16 and explain who else God manifested Himself in the flesh as, walked among the people as, dwells among them as if not as Jesus.
When the Jews(and Jesus was a Jew) spoke of GOD as being one(1) GOD. They meant that the TRUE GOD(Yaweh) was one(singular) supreme being!!! They had no concept of trinity!!!
The LORD GOD(Yaweh) is the GOD of Abraham, the GOD of Moses, the GOD of Jesus etc... That's why Jesus said the LORD our GOD is one GOD, and there is no GOD but Him!!! Jesus said, "OUR GOD."
Meaning the LORD GOD is his GOD too!
The LORD GOD will give him(Jesus) the throne of David. Luke.1:32
When the Jews(and Jesus was a Jew) spoke of GOD as being one(1) GOD. They meant that the TRUE GOD(Yaweh) was one(singular) supreme being!!! They had no concept of trinity!!!
The LORD GOD(Yaweh) is the GOD of Abraham, the GOD of Moses, the GOD of Jesus etc... That's why Jesus said the LORD our GOD is one GOD, and there is no GOD but Him!!! Jesus said, "OUR GOD."
Meaning the LORD GOD is his GOD too!
The LORD GOD will give him(Jesus) the throne of David. Luke.1:32
@epic103--That's impossible. Because you just used made that comment on the 'Trinity is a False Doctrine' video while you were arguing with a trinitarian. I'm oneness, remember. On top of that, you can go down to where it says [View all Comments], click on it and go study where you abandoned these issues before. Then explain why you're trying to use them when you never resolved them before--and why you're wasting my time and yours...again.
I can use it for both!!! It applies to both Oneness and Trinitarian!!!
What you fail to realize is, Jesus is not the Most High GOD!!! Because Jesus made clear that the One that sent him is our GOD!!! Jesus said, when you pray, pray to our Father(Yaweh) who are in heaven, hallowed be His name!!! In other words, hallowed be the name of the Most High Father(Yaweh).
Jesus prayed to the same GOD that Moses prayed to!!! Jesus worshiped the same GOD that Abraham worshiped!!!
@epic103--***yawn***Read your past comment and explain to me why you're trying to lecture me on plural majesty/trinity. Or explain why you're trying to use your same script for them on me. Or explain why you ran from those topics before and have the nerve to re-use them.
@epic103--As for everything else in your last comment--once more, you're not introducing anything new. You've already abandoned those topics before, too! Again…and again. Wow. Go study why you ran each time. You know the routine.
@epic103--So what's the next set of recycled and abandoned topics you're going to re-try unsuccessfully? Do I need to tell you beforehand to go and study those too before you even post them?
Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto his GOD and Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Rev.1:5,6
And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our GOD which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Rev.7:10 - OUR GOD is the Father(Yaweh), not Jesus!!!
@epic103--You brought nothing new to the table. Either you're hoping I forgot or you can't remember and you need to go back and see how you couldn't defend your arguments. Get a new script of responses. Good night.
LOL!!! Nice try, but you are the one who is running, not me!!! I keep using the same Scriptures because you can't answer them!!!
All you do is take verses out of context!!! Look at 2Peter.1:1,2 in context!!! This shows a distinction between Jesus and our GOD!!! Verse 2 says, Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of GOD, and of Jesus our Lord. 2Peter.1:2 - (shows a distinction)
Also, 2Peter.1:17 shows Jesus received power from GOD our Father!!!
@epic103--The suffix "hovah" is No. 1943 in Strong's Hebrew Dictionary and has the meaning of "ruin: mischief." It is another form of No. 1942, havvah, which is translated "calamity, iniquity, mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, noisome, perverse thing, substance, very wickedness. Embarrassing, indeed.
LOL!!! 1Tim.3:16 and 2Cor.6:16 doesn't prove GOD became a man!!! That is only according to your interpretation!!! But that would be out of harmony with everything else!!! We have to read Scripture as a whole and not cherry pick verses!!!
GOD made clear over and over again that He's not a man or a son of man!!! THAT ENDS ANY CONTROVERSY!!! Man is not GOD, and GOD is not Man!!!
@epic103--'…1Tim.3:16 and 2Cor.6:16 doesn't prove God became man!!! That is only according to your interpretation…'--epic103
I can understand your frustration. These passages won't let your theology stand(denial is a powerful force to be reckoned with). Perhaps you can give me your alternative JW-style interpretation of what they mean since you disagree. What else would scripture say He became then? Good luck.
@epic103--'…But that would be out of harmony with everything else!!!…'--epic103
That's out of harmony with YOUR flawed theology that cannot stand to scrutiny. I've defended mine very well. As for you--go to where it says [View All Comments], click onto it and pick out one topic you held ground on in the last 3 months. Just one
@epic103--'…God made clear over and over again that He's not a man or a son of man!!!…'--epic103
Go study how I answered this topic you abandoned more than once. Then explain to me why I ended up saying, 'Duhhhh'! Think about this stuff before you post.
@epic103--'…Man is not God, and God is not man!!! Jesus has a God, and his God is OUR GOD!!!…'--epic103
This is the part where you not only explain away prophetic scripture and entertain me with alternative JW interpretations that deal with I Tim. 3:16 and II Corr. 6:16--and show who else God manifested Himself in the flesh as if not as Jesus. Can't wait to hear it. Again…good luck
@epic103--By the way, explain why you re-use this topic when you never took care of it successfully at any time before. What makes this current failure of an attempt any different before you run to the next set of recycled topics?
You are basing your whole theology on 1Tim.3:16 and 2Cor.6:16. Neither of these verses proves Jesus is literally GOD Himself!!! Nice try though!!!
So did GOD lie the other 20 times where He said that he is not a man or a son of man??? GOD many times in the Old Testament said that He's not a man or a son of man!!! GOD is not Man, and Man is not GOD! His(GOD) way's are not our ways!!! GOD changes not!!!
@epic103--I'm sure you're tired of me poking fun at you. And I'm sure you're tired of me insisting you do what we both know you can't deliver on or explain why so. You should be de-sensitized by now, especially if you insist on debating with me for another year or two.
@epic103--'…You are basing your whole theology on I Tim 3:16 and II Corr. 6:16…'--epic103
Go down to where it says [View all Comments], click onto it, go back 3 months and study every argument from then to now. Compare this topic to every other topic you were stumped on(all of them). Explain why you just lied to yourself :]
@epic103--Why is it every time when you get frustrated you have a tantrum about passages that won't let your flawed theology stand, including these? Who else did Yaweh manifest Himself in the flesh as according to these scriptures if not as Jesus? Answer the question
@epic103--'…Neither of these verses proves Jesus is literally God Himself!!! …'--epic103
Again, what does your Watch Tower sources say to explain away these passages and dismiss prophetic scripture? All you have to do is properly address the question you keep avoiding since you disagree :]
Speaking of nice tries--why are you trying to pretend you don't have to answer the question since you disagree with it and how it causes problems for your theology? You put yourself into a position where you have to enlighten me with some alternative explanation of those passages. Or explain why you're losing. Sorry.
@epic103--'…So did GOD lie the other 20 times where He said that he is not a man or a son of man??? …'--epic103
As I said before, why would He say in the OT He's in the flesh if His prophetic promises don't occur until the NT era???? What would He have to lie about??? Duhhhhhhh! Do you even think before you re-post your recycled and abandoned topics??? Let's say it again--duhhhhhhhh!
@epic103--'…GOD is not Man, and Man is not GOD! His(GOD) way's are not our ways!!! GOD changes not!!…'--epic103
Once again, God is the I AM whether He manifests Himself in the flesh or as spirit to walk among us and dwell within us according to His prophecies He made in the OT
@epic103--'...According to Jesus God is a Spirit…'
And since Yaweh manifested Himself in the flesh according to prophetic scripture, your point is what? An incarnation usually does involve becoming something fleshly material from something divinely immaterial, correct? Duhhhhhh!
@epic103--'…The bottom line is, Jesus taught that the true GOD is the Father(Jehovah), and that the Father alone is OUR GOD!!! Jesus prayed to GOD(Jehovah)…'--epic103
These re-used and abandoned topics you never took care of before aren't anything new. Go study why you ran from them. Then explain why you have the nerve to re-introduce them.
@epic103--Maybe the reason why you keep doing that is because your scripted responses are so limited and you don't know what else to do when they're easily refuted.
@epic103--Which abandoned topics are you going to re-try and repost for next time? Maybe I need to play a game--guess which ones you'll try in the next rotation. Don't forget to also mention how one of them will supposedly 'end all controversy' :]
@epic103--'…That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth. Psalm.83:18 - (King James)…'--epic103
And since Yaweh is the same Most High that manifested Himself in the flesh, walked among the people and dwells within us according to His prophetic promises fulfilled in the NT--your point with this scripture against me was what again???
The context of John.4:23,24 is the Father(Yahweh). In other words, our Father(GOD). Jesus said to worship the Father(GOD) in spirit and in truth!!!
According to Jesus, our GOD is the Father, and He alone is Lord of heaven and earth!!!
Jesus said, that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but only the Father knows. Mark.13:32 - only the Father is the Most High!!!
@epic103--Wouldn't it be convenient for everyone to know the hour so they could sin as much as they want and then repent and accept salvation the day before? The point is to live Godly lives and not let your guard down. Read the parable of Matt. 25:14-30
@epic103--I can't help but notice how similar Mark 13:32 and Matt. 24:36. In the NKJV Matt. 24:36 doesn't have the 'nor the Son' part--but Mark 13:32 does. This seems like an awkward situation. What's interesting is how John 16:30, 21:17… Matt. 24: 29-35 support Matt. 24:36 very well
@epic103--Strong's Greek Dictionary breaks down the word 'knoweth', which is 'eido' in Greek--used only in certain past tenses, the others being borrowed from the equiv. G3700 and G3708; to know:--be aware, behold, X can (+ not tell), consider, (have) known (-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wist, wot
@epic103--Yaweh-Yasha(Yaweh in the flesh) spoke of both natures(Father/OT nature and that of the Son/incarnation) in the 3rd person. The nature of the flesh is always subject to the divine, made little lower than the angels and the Son manifestation makes it clear that the hour will not be revealed
@epic103--Yaweh-Yasha(Yaweh in the flesh) did not want His disciples to be ignorant of the last times, focused more on how to keep from being deceived. He would not reveal the precise time of His return to His disciples, but in Matt, 28:20 He did make it clear that the end would not come immediately.
@epic103--In relative passages to this topic He described many of the signs that would precede His return to the earth. If the disciples listened carefully to His words they would know the "season" of His coming and all the signs that lead up to it.
@epic103--It would make no sense for Yaweh in the flesh to be ignorant about the end times and yet be so specific in giving details of the signs of the end times. The point of His teaching in Matthew 24 was to be ready.In this Matt. 24, He speaks of the signs and says when in v. 33 it's 'at the doors.'
@epic103--Because they did not know the precise time of the Lord's return they were to be watchful and attentive. The disciples had a fixation on knowing the exact time of our Lord's return. Yaweh-Yasha is saying, in effect, "It is none of your business. Don't be disobedient and try to predict my coming. Be about the business of growing in holiness so that you'll be prepared."
@epic103--As for your other recycled and abandoned topics, you know the routine--go back and study why you couldn't hold ground on these topics before. Enjoy the rest of your weekend, see you next week.
Jesus made clear that he ascends to his GOD and to our GOD!!!
Jesus said, eternal life is to know the TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, the One that He(GOD) sent forth!!! That is what Jesus TAUGHT!!!
That ends any controversy!!!
To teach anything else is heresy!!!
Jesus said, only one is your Father(GOD), and He is in heaven!!! GOD was not on the earth, the TRUE GOD was in heaven!!! Jesus has a GOD, but GOD doesn't!!!
@epic103--Every topic in your last post--go down to where it says [View All Comments], click onto it and go study why you abandoned these topics multiple times over the course of the 3 months we've been debating--then explain why you're wasting my time and yours when you never reconciled them before
@epic103--Do you keep doing that because you can't remember where else or who else you used them on to where you forgot you've already used them on me? Or are you hoping I forgot you did? Keep up with that.
@epic103--And by the way, you've yet to answer my question about who else Yaweh manifested Himself in the flesh as according to I Tim. 3:16 and II Corr. 6:16 if not as Jesus.
SIMPLE / REAL : the messiah was great. he spoke in metaphors that were taken literal. he was a human like you and i. he was not god. the reason why he's considered a deity is because FAITH can make a people / beleif system believe in an idiom of the scriptures without understanding that it's a idiom. if one ever read poetry, one MUST understand that the type of language can not be taken literal. why? because the reader will miss the writer's point and message. it's that simple.
If Jesus is the true GOD, why did all the Apostles start their letters giving thanks to GOD our Father? GOD is always recognized as our Father!!! Nowhere is Jesus called GOD our Son. Only the Father is clearly called GOD!!!
That the GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him. Eph.1:17
It's all about knowing Him(Father). The Father(LORD) is the true GOD!!! That is what Jesus preached.
3rd. Jesus said many times that the true GOD was in Heaven!!! Jesus said, when you pray, pray to the Father who is in Heaven!
4th. When Jesus was baptized and the voice of GOD came from Heaven, who's voice was this??? Obviously the voice was the Most High(Father). Unless Jesus is a ventriloquist???
@epic103--'…LOL!!! 1st. The Most High GOD never literally became a man! That's according to your interpretation!…'--epic103
Very bold--and you've yet to answer who else Yaweh manifested Himself in the flesh as according to I Tim 3:16 and II Corr. 6:16 if not as Jesus. Who else did He walk among the people and dwell within us as?
@epic103--By saying He didn't do so, you have to call Him an incompetent liar and offer an alternative for who else scripture would say He was manifested as. And when you can't reconcile this with your own interpretation backed by scripture, explain why. :]
@epic103--'…2nd. You are totally distorting Mark.10:18…'--epic103
This one's hilarious. You seem to not like how I easily handled this passage and cited an official source. Again, I have the edge. Since you disagree, this is the part where you offer your alternative social-science interpretation based on agonistic ancient Hebrew culture that supports your claim. Good luck--can't wait to hear it :]
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Zentz29 2 months ago
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Zentz29 2 months ago
It isn't "historically" known wether or not Jesus existed, let alone wether or not what he said were his actual words.
This is nonsense.
Zentz29 2 months ago
@Zentz29 wrong.
eljono1 1 month ago
@eljono1 Okay, any moron can say "wrong". Can you demonstrate that Jesus existed historically?
Zentz29 1 month ago
I saw this entire debate. Jesus left us with a choice. Just like Adam and Eve. Either He is who He said He is or not. There is no "middle ground". He didn't claim to be a prophet.....even though for all intents and purposes He is one of those too.
bheadh 7 months ago
I would LOVE to know how he can claim that this parable is "demonstrably authentic, actually uttered by the historical Jesus."
Xenophile665 7 months ago
@Xenophile665 if you talk to anyone studying the historical jesus, they will quickly point out that the historical jesus is different from the "real jesus", which is not accessible to us because we can't go back in time. it's a subtle distinction, but there's no way to verify whether historical jesus is the real jesus. finding historical figures is just about filtering out contradictions to get to what the unified opinion was of others who were historians, since we have no writings from him.
amn3h23h2 7 months ago
@amn3h23h2 that is very true of historical figures... In this case we have more than just that. We have over 2000 yrs of non-changing orthodox Christian history of Jesus, tradition, preservation of documents, and un changing church tradition. The orthodox Christian church was the first Christian church.
jwmarco21 6 months ago
Christian heathen ignorants.What will it take for you to accept the truth of the holy Quran.
The true word of God almighty.I am not telling you to do it for me but for yourselfs.To save yourselfs from eternal hellfire.God does NOT accept any man invented religions but Islam.I can guess you are now going to speak hate and evil,but you're only hurting yourselfs with it.Just open your eyes and accept the only truth:ISLAM!
izri1 7 months ago
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ViperSRTnACR 6 months ago
I take it by this statement you're aware of your own religions history right? In that, Muslims were formerly known as "Muhammadists" as they followed the leader Muhammad who had at least 25 wives during his life. And before that you were know as the Ishmaelytes because you come from Abraham's son Ishmael who was not the promised son like Isaac was. The prophecy is true concerning your people in that they would war against Gods people until the time of the end.
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youneekk 8 months ago
Jesus was intruducing man to his concept of God for the first time and invalidating the Jews perception of him at his Sermon on the Mount speech. He said repeatedly, "You have heard it said" and "You have seen it written... But I tell you". This was telling the men of that day that they had it all wrong.
aburling7 8 months ago
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1Shawndra 8 months ago
lol, I am correct!
zatoilluminati 8 months ago
Died Friday DAY? ok, in tomb a few seconds of friday DAY 1 day, all day saturday, 2 days, early morning Sunday, fine 3 days??
Died friday Day, in tomb Friday Night 1 NIGHT, all day and NIGHT Saturday, 2 NIGHTS, out Sunday early morning??? 2 nights, and 3?Days at best. "just like Jonah...I will be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights! Your stuff is a TRADITION of MEN! and not Biblical. But, I am sure that it dosent matter to you?? I just dont understand why you Live a Lie and are content?
zatoilluminati 8 months ago
zatoilluminati - Jesus died at the 9th hour (3 pm) at the same time of the "evening" sacrifice. Sky was black, earthquake and veil of the temple was torn top to bottom - meaning men now have direct access to God the Father through Jesus. Jews still recon the beginning of the day from sunset not sunrise.
"Paradise" is generally accepted as heaven. No, the rich man was not in paradise, he was in hell and beggar Lazarus was in Paradise - but you know that was what Jesus meant in the story.
fwfassett 8 months ago
@fwfassett WAS jESUS THERE with HIM "TODAY"? cAN YOU SHOW ME THE CHAPTER AND VERSE?? wHEN DID jESUS ASCEND TO HEAVEN(PARADISE)? dIDNT HE SAY, i HAVE not YET ASCENDED TO MY fATHER? SO WHERE WAS jESUS AND THIS THIEF AT? iS PARADISE(HEAVEN) WHERE THEY CAN SEE AND TALK TO THE PPEOPLE IN HELL? caps lock, lol. You seem to do alot of assuming? If it was 3pm, when did they get him down and moved and prepared and in the tomb? Still NOT 3days and 3nights, by a long shot!
zatoilluminati 8 months ago
@zatoilluminati - Apparently you don't understand that Jesus' body could be in the tomb while His soul and spirit went to heaven along with the thief's. At resurrection spirit, soul and body were joined again. He told Mary at the tomb that He had not ascended to His Father yet. The Bible says He descended and brought the dead "in Abraham's bosom" to heaven. Then for over 40 days He appeared to over 500 people - even eating with them. No, people in heaven can't see or speak to those in hell.
fwfassett 8 months ago
@fwfassett lol, you just make things up, dont you? "jesus body COULD be in the tomb while his spirit and soul went to Heaven?? When Jesus says "I" have not yet ascended to heaven, does "I" equal BODY?? If "I" is BODY, what is "Spirit" and "Soul"?? What is "Spirit"? and what is "Soul"? Are you trying to say Jesus, while being part of the Trinity, had within himself, his "second nature" another "trinity" of spirit soul and body?? lolol. He two, two, two trinitys in one!
zatoilluminati 8 months ago
@zatoilluminati - You are really funny - I'll give you that. I give up trying to explain it to you. It's not that easy to understand I agree. In John 14:26 Jesus said "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." Perhaps you cannot understand because you don't have the Holy Spirit. God bless you and show you the way.
fwfassett 8 months ago
@fwfassett Perhaps you could try to explain? If God became man(the son), did God also become the Fatjher and did God also become the Holy Spirit? That shouldnt be that hard if that is what you believe. You should have some "BASIS" for what you believe. If God ONLY became the son and the son is eternal, what was the son before he became man? Was he a spirit? God is a spirit, the son is a spirit and the Holy Spirit is a spirit? Whose "IMAGE" are we then? Can you see the BS coming out?
zatoilluminati 8 months ago
@fwfassett You do know that the 12 apostles never thought this. Did they believe BEFORE they got the Holy Spirit, as you just said is why I cant believe? You entire trinity is so wrong and you have to keep cjhanging ideas and definitions and meanings to force it to "kinda" work. Problem your method is a LIE. Can you show 1 place in the Bible where God is Three was taught or was a discussed? Not alluded to, discussed! This is a creation and fabrication of 2ond century ROMANS.
zatoilluminati 8 months ago
@zatoilluminati - last reply. You are correct that the 12 apostles often had great difficulty understanding what Jesus said, but (as He said) they did begin to understand after Jesus appeared and gave them the Holy Spirit in the upper room. Jesus' last words quoted in Matthew 28:19 were "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," [3 parts of the Trinity named by Jesus himself.]
fwfassett 8 months ago
@fwfassett
Hope you are aware that the mention of trinity that you point to was not origanally included in the gospel. Take the time to read the notes in whatever bible you have in your possession concerning this. And if you are a true believer, read all of the bible, not just the new testament or the phrases that agrees with your belief. Read stuff that goes against your belief. Because someone has given you an intellect as well.
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ahamann80 8 months ago
@ahamann80 - My Bibles show Matthew 28:19. King James - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:". NIV shown above. English Standard - " Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," Holman - "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
fwfassett 8 months ago
@fwfassett Before you accuse someone of not "having" the "Holy Spirit" wouldn't it make sense to first prove that such a thing exists? Otherwise in believing you have just made a "Gotcha" statement, what you've actually done is pay him/her a great compliment at your own expense.
You guys have a bad habit of doing that. You take something on "faith" (which means its completely unfounded) and then you arrogantly insult people for not "knowing" the same thing. Is THAT what Christianity's about?
aburling7 8 months ago
@aburling7 - I'm sorry if you thought I was "accusing" someone of not having the Holy Spirit. It sounds more like you are the one making accusations and insults to me. A non-Christian cannot understand unless God shows you. Perhaps some day God will show you the Way and you will understand.
fwfassett 8 months ago
@fwfassett Lets see if I got this right? Jesus is part of the "Trinity" (father, son and holy spirit), he is also a man, who has another "Trinity"(spirit, soul and body) not to be confused with (mind, body and spirit?) Does the Father also have His own seperate extra "Trinity"?, does the Holy Spirit have "his" extra little "Trinity"? Is Jesus God who became man? Or is Jesus man that became God? Did God become the Father?? Did God become the Holy Spirit? Did God become the son???
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youneekk 9 months ago
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@MeKelsior "Because Paul was an apostle ..." That does not mean anything. He was not one of Jesus' 12 apostles. Paul never actually met Jesus except in a vision. It's most likely that he was an epileptic and had a seizure. Sorry, but I don't see any more reason to believe anything that Paul said about Jesus than to believe anything that Sai Baba said about God.
AThagoras 9 months ago
@MeKelsior "Because Paul was an apostle ..." That does not mean anything. He was not one of Jesus' 12 apostles. Paul never actually met Jesus except in a vision. It's most likely that he was an epileptic and had a seizure. Sory, but I don't see any more reason to believe anything that Paul said about Jesus than to believe anything that Sai Baba said about God.
AThagoras 9 months ago
@AThagoras Paul wasnt an apostle. in Acts the 11 caim up with stipulations that were required to ba an aposlte. Paul dosent even come close to having the minimun requirements to be an apostle. Paul is the SELF-PROCLAIMED APOSTLE, that is all. As far as "seizure" goes, you are probably right. He couldnt even get that LIE straight. Luke says, we saw a light but heard NO voice. Paul says, they did not see but they HEARD?? He also admitted to lying and stealing from the church. He is no apostle.
zatoilluminati 9 months ago
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i respect the KING of the jews ( the christ) for i know that he was a great man...in all fairness, i must concede that the KING of the jews was not a deity...no, i not a muslim / jew. am only a reader that appreciates knowledge that's explicit...unclear knowledge is a suspect...it's important to remember that the the KING of the jews spoke in idioms...not to be taken literally...
this is an educational video for anyone that's interested in theology...
peace to muslims / christians.
afterray 10 months ago
Jesus was crucified for blasphemy, and never denied his own claims. Either he lied, or was insane. This middle ground you cult followers try to create is blasphemy within itself. He himself will judge you one day.
b1foschiefs 10 months ago
@b1foschiefs ahh, a quote from CS LEWIS! did you know he belonged to a secrete society?? do you know which one and who else was in that same secrete society and what they believed? The Hermetic (Majik) Order of the Golden Dawn, with many writers if witchcraft, spells and majik such as JRR TOLKIEN. They also had ties to Helena Blavasky the inventor or the ARYAN RACE and mentor to Hitler. He is not what he sems, neither was Paul
zatoilluminati 9 months ago
@zatoilluminati I cant find where I quotedd CS Lewis. But, I'm not much into conspiracy theories and secret orders so I find your comment irrelevant. All I can do is judge what I have read from him, and he was a brilliant thinker who loved God. Besides, he spent the first part of his life as a staunch atheist. What kind of secret dirt do you have on Paul? Did he live a secret double life of which only you know about? You got your facts wrong below, better check it.
b1foschiefs 9 months ago
@b1foschiefs No, everybody knows about it, even you. Uou just refuse to see it because you are comfortable with your "traditions of men". Who besides told you that the law was done away with? Who besides Paul says we are saved by faith? Who besides paul says the Law is a curse. Who besides Paul calls hisself father? Who besides Paul BLINDED someone? Who besides Paul did everyone in Asia "TURNED AWAY FROM". Who says "I robbed Churches by taking wages from them"? Who killed Stephen?
zatoilluminati 9 months ago
@zatoilluminati - Have you actually read the Bible? Jesus obviously claimed to be God - and that is what this video is about. What about Jesus' telling the thief on the cross after his confession he would be with Jesus in Paradise "this day"? The thief had no opportunity to sacrifice or follow the Law before the end of the day. He was saved by faith. Jesus accepted worship many times, and claimed the "I AM" name of God. "I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life..." John 14:6
fwfassett 8 months ago
@fwfassett well, lets look at that. Jesus said TODAY, you will be with ME in Paradise?? today, Jesus died, right about "night".Friday night(Good Friday), saturday DAY 1st day, Jesus was in the tomb, Sunday MORNING(2ond DAY)(partial day) Jesus was resurected. So excatlly where was Jesus and this thief "TODAY". Did he say paradise? and you want this to mean...WHAT?? Is paradise where lazarus and the rich man were? Is it heaven, the Kingdom?? Abes Bosom? BTW not 3 days and 3 nights as Jonah??
zatoilluminati 8 months ago
@fwfassett Jesus CLAIMED to be God?? What, in a meely-mouthed kind of way. did Jesus like beating around the bush? hinting and leaving clues? never really coming out and saying it?? Name ONE place where Jesus says I AM GOD? Or, ONE place where God says I am Jesus, or I am THREE. and, how come YOU always Leave Out the Holy Spirit. Where did "he"? CLAIM tio be God?
zatoilluminati 8 months ago
@zatoilluminati - You are not very illuminated in spite of your name. The reason why the Jewish leaders wanted Him killed was because He claimed to be God. In the temple they tried to stone Him after He said "Before Abraham was born, I AM" - taking the covenant name of God for Himself. The Chief priest asked him pointblank and His answer caused the priest to tear his clothes (which was forbidden by the Jewish scripture) because of what he thought was Jesus' blasphemy - claiming He was God.
fwfassett 8 months ago
@b1foschiefs cs lewis quote, That you claim you never heard?? Either he is who he says he is or he is a madman. Heres a quote from Jesus ACCORDING TO PAUL, "It is hard for you to kick against the pricks"?? Do you think Jesus said that? Jesus , the son of God?
zatoilluminati 9 months ago
@zatoilluminati Never claimed I had never heard, you put words in my mouth just like you force your own heresy on scripture. You need to cite scripture, your paraphrasing is not only inaccurate but not relevant. Just because you cant understand the gospel, doesn't mean it is not true. Try putting scripture with your quotes. You cultist think you can cite one scripture and that scripture supercedes all scripture in your mind, as if the bible should be only five scriptures total. Dont bother me.
b1foschiefs 9 months ago
@b1foschiefs lol, NO COMMENT?? Its just as well, you seem a little meely-mouthed. "never claimed I didnt hear it"?? Its hard for you to kick against the pricks, too, huh? Did you say ONE scripture?? I cited 9 in one post. It would be best if you just ran away, I wont bother you again.
zatoilluminati 9 months ago
@zatoilluminati Actually I was out of town, and you dont scripturally intimidate me one bit. But, I have dealt with you cult followers before and I can find better use of my time than listen to you all twist scripture and run me in circular arguements all because you dont understand the basics of what scripture teaches. Besides, I said dont bother me, dont be a cyber bully, I didn't initiate this conversation with you.
b1foschiefs 9 months ago
Did Jesus claim to be God in his teachings? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Who did Jesus claim to be? The Son of God, Jn 10:36.
Peter also knew who Jesus was; " ... the Son of the Living God", Mt 16:16
John said that we must confess that Jesus Christ is the "Son of God", I Jn 4:15.
It's too bad that psuedo Christianity upholds the illogical creeds of Rome's Babylonian tri-headed god, rather than embrace the clear teachings of scripture that the One God has a Son, Jesus Christ, the Messiah.
Str8Talker365 10 months ago
@Str8Talker365 Paul was very clear in his writings that Jesus was God. Hebrew chapter 1 explains that even the Father calls The Son, God. The status of the Son of God, the Son of Man, is the Creator of heaven and earth and all that in them is, Paul writes in Colossians that everything was Created by Jesus and FOR Jesus. John writes in chapter 1 of the gospel, that All things was made by Jesus, and without Jesus not anything was made that was made. This means Jesus is Eternal. =)
Mekelsior 10 months ago
@Mekelsior "Paul was very clear in his writings that Jesus was God." Well how on earth did Paul know anything about that? That's like me declaring that Krishna was gay. Why would you believe him?
AThagoras 9 months ago
@AThagoras Because Paul was an apostle and was suppored and accepted by Peter and James, followers of Jesus. Who also believed Jesus was God. Peter even admitted it, "You are the Christ" and John wrote that Jesus was the Great I AM, Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, our Creator and our Savior. Isayah writes as well, that our Creator and our Savior, is GOD. =)
Mekelsior 9 months ago
@Mekelsior Paul wasnt accepted and supported by anyone, much less the 12 original apostles. None of the churches oir the first christians followed Paul. Read Timothy, Paul says, ALL IN ASIA HAVE TURNED AWAT FROM ME. That is a fact. Paul is the corrupter of the scriptures. The TWISTER. The inventor of BY FAITH and an admited LIAR. He is the ONLY one to say the Law is abolished, the ONLY ONE. He is a murderer and a thief. And now, the HERO of the "Christians". Thats why they are so messed up
zatoilluminati 9 months ago
@Str8Talker365 Here is another statement that is important to ponder, 1 Tim 1:1 that states that Jesus Christ is our Hope, and 4:10 that states that our hope is to the Living God who is the Savior of all men. It is clear here, at least to me, that Jesus Christ our Hope is the Living God the Savior of all men. Jesus is also described as the Life, the Way and the Truth. Paul writes in Heb 12, that Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our Faith. Compare the titles of Jesus with that of the Father.
Mekelsior 10 months ago
@Mekelsior
Jesus created nothing, but was himself created by God, Who ALONE is inherently immortal, I Tim 6:15-16. Jesus Christ is the "beginning of the creation of God", Rev 3:14, the "first fruits" of the resurrection, I Cor 15:20, and the "first born" from the DEAD, Col 1:18.
Colossians1 establishes the preeminence of Christ, for "by" (because of) him were all things created by God because redemption was possible for all because of Christ.
Jesus is the "Son of God", not God.
Str8Talker365 10 months ago
Wow. Praise God. I would love to subscribe to your channel if you subscribe to mine.
manyviewsorg 10 months ago
This dude put the nut in peanut.
tadpoleposition 11 months ago
How Mozzies always and ONLY challenge Jesus of the Bible. W/hy don't they ever debate the stained and Pedophile character of their Muhammad>>>?
lesterdiamond5 1 year ago
The Book of Revelation starts off saying GOD(Yaweh) gave the revelation to Jesus to pass down!!! So we see a clear distinction between GOD and Jesus right off the bat!!!
Then it says, we are made to a kingdom and priest to serve his GOD and Father!!! Rev.1:6 - Who is his GOD and Father??? Obviously his GOD and Father is Yaweh, the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!!
So there is a clear distinction between Jesus and GOD(Yaweh). The Most High GOD is the Father(Yaweh), not Jesus!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@Jesusisposttrib
1 Samuel 15:29: "He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for He(GOD) is not a man, that he should change his mind."
Job 9:32: "He(GOD) is not a man like me that I might answer him, that we might confront each other in court."
Hosea 11:9: "I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim. For I am GOD, and not man - the Holy One among you. I will not come in wrath."
GOD is not a Man, and Man is not GOD!!!
epic103 1 year ago
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1 Samuel 15:29: "He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for He(GOD) is not a man, that he should change his mind."
Job 9:32: "He(GOD) is not a man like me that I might answer him, that we might confront each other in court."
Hosea 11:9: "I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim. For I am GOD, and not man - the Holy One among you. I will not come in wrath."
GOD is not a Man, and Man is not GOD!!!
epic103 1 year ago
sons of god-ROM 8:13-all who are led by the spirit of gos are the SONS OF GOD.GEN 6:2-the SONS OF GOD saw that the daughters of men were beautiful. GAL 3:26-you are all SONS OF GOD thru faith in christ..MAT 5:9-blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called SONS OF GOD.LUKE 20:16-..they are equal to angels and are SONS OF GOD.JOB 1:6-..was a day when the SONS OF GOD came...and satan also came.JOB 38:7-the morning star sang..and all the SONS OF GOD shouted for joy. The one and only???
zatoilluminati 1 year ago
@Jesusisposttrib
HAHAHAHA, try reading the entire context and stop cherry pickin!!!
The context of John.5:37-44 is the Father(Yaweh). Jesus said, no one has seen GOD or heard His voice in John.5:37, and Jesus said our GOD is the Father(Yaweh) in John.5:44.
Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that He is your GOD. John.8:54 - the Father(Yaweh) is our GOD, not Jesus!!!
Jesus taught that OUR GOD is the Father!!!
epic103 1 year ago
WHERE'S THE WHOLE DEBATE??
WHO WAS HE DEBATING??
These are good questions.
SirFoggy2Doped 1 year ago
Jesus said unto them, If GOD were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from GOD; neither came I of myself, but He(GOD) sent me. John.8:42
Jesus said, I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John.5:30
Grace to you and peace from GOD our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. First, I thank my GOD through Jesus Christ for you all. Romans.1:7,8
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--John 5:30 and 8:42 refer to your recycled topic of being 'sent'. Go back and study why you've abandoned this subject often. As for Romans 1:7-8--->Read Titus 2:13, II Peter 1:1, I Tim 3:16, II Corr. 6:16 and Acts 20:28
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--And by the way, I know it's a part of your theology, but the name 'Jehovah'--instead of YHWH or Yaweh--is more than improper. It's actually inaccurate. The first part of the Sacred Name "Yah" was changed to "Jeh" as the "J" developed and the "a" was replaced with "e" to hide the name.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@dariusdise
LOL!!! Nicy try, but look up the word Jehovah(Yaweh) in any encylopedia or dictionary and see what they give for a definition. Yahweh(Jehovah) = GOD ALMIGHTY(Most High).
Plus, the exact spelling of the name for GOD isn't as important as to what it represents!!!
It's clear from all of the Scriptures that Jesus has a GOD throughout the Bible!!! Jesus has a GOD, but GOD(Yaweh) has no GOD, because He is GOD!!!
Blessed be the GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1Peter.1:3
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--'…LOL!!! Nicy try, but look up the word Jehovah(Yaweh) in any encylopedia or dictionary and see what they give for a definition…'--epic103
I know this is a hard pill for you to swallow. The source I cited deals specifically with little nuggets of information such as this and dismantles misconceptions and popular beliefs of the traditions of men
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103-- Meriam-Webster or Brittanica will not do the exhaustive research as done in 'Strong's' or even 'Brown, Driver, Briggs, Gesenius' or 'Baur, Arndt and Gingrich'. Sorry.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…Plus, the exact spelling of the name for GOD isn't as important as to what it represents!!!…'--epic103
Wow. To make a long story short, a german clergyman asked the pope if he could insert vowels within consonants to make a name. The pope said fine! So, the Watch Tower should give credit to conjurers of the made up name in their theology
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--If you know that 'Yaweh' or 'YHWH' is accurate, then why continue to misspell it? If the 'Jehovah' rendering isn't the true name, then what can it 'restore' in your theology? The hybrid name 'Jehovah' that Strong's Hebrew Dictionary identifies as inaccurate is dangerous
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--To call on the fake 'Jehovah' name invokes the the one who creates ruin, creates mischief, perverse things, very wickedness. We must take caution who we pray to. Satan must be proud that there are some who believe and refer to God by the name 'Jehovah' that perfectly fits Satan himself as the Destroyer!
dariusdise 1 year ago
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@epic103--'...It's clear from all of the Scriptures that Jesus has a GOD throughout the Bible!!!...'--epic103
You just backed yourself into a corner. If it's so clear then why haven't you held ground on any topic. Explain
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103---And if your claim of how clear the scriptures are of backing your theology then why haven't you held any ground on any topic? Explain.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…Jesus has a GOD, but GOD(Yaweh) has no GOD, because He is GOD!!!…'--epic103
Since I believe that Yaweh manifested Himself in the flesh, walked among the people and dwells within us according to prophetic scripture and know that you can't produce who else Yaweh manifested Himself in the flesh as if not as Jesus, then i know you just presented nothing
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…Blessed be the GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1Peter.1:3…'--epic103
As for I Peter 1:3----> read Zech. 12:10 and John 18:8 where Yaweh in the flesh says, 'eipon humin hoti ego eimi' after He used 'ego eimi' in verse 6 making everyone draw back and fall to the ground.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@dariusdise
Jesus is not LITERALLY GOD in the flesh!!! GOD(Yaweh) is a Spirit!!!
Jesus said, only one is your Father(GOD), and He is in heaven!! Jesus makes clear, our GOD and Father is in heaven!!! So according to Jesus, our GOD is the Father(Yaweh) and He is in heaven!!!
Plus, there is no way for you to dance around verses like John.20:17, 1Peter.1:3, 2Cor.1:2, Eph.1:17, Col.1:3, Rev.1:6, Rev.3:12, Rev.7:10, Rev.21:22 etc.. where it clearly shows that Jesus has a GOD!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--'…Jesus is not LITERALLY GOD in the flesh!!!…'--epic103
Again--while you have yourself backed into a corner on this one, you put yourself into a position where you have to explain who else God was in the flesh as then. Or offer an alternative explanation of what else prophetic scripture equated to other than what it says. You can't.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…God is a Spirit…'--epic103
And if God manifested Himself in the flesh--from what to what??? Duhhhhhh!
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--First things first--you need to keep up with what you already used in your scripted responses. Count how many times you ran away from the topic of John 20:17. Go back and study why you ran away from Rev. 1:5-6, 3:12, 7:10, 21:22 each time.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--As for II Corr. 1:2 and Eph.1:17--->some time back you brought up a topic on how most of the letters of the Apostles began. Go back and see why you ran from the topic. After that, read II Corr. 6:16, Eph. 4:9-10 and Col. 2:9 and see how it relates to the topic you abandoned. And while we're somewhat on that topic, in Peter's first letter it also starts out like you say--but by his second letter we have the passage II Pet. 1:1
dariusdise 1 year ago
@dariusdise
Try reading the entire context for a change!!!
Because 2Peter.1:1,2 shows a distinction between our GOD and Jesus!!! Look at verse2, Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of GOD, and of Jesus our Lord. 2Peter.1:2 - the knowledge of GOD and of Jesus!!!
Jesus received power from GOD our Father!!! 2Peter.1:17
Of this man's(David) seed hath GOD according to his promise raised unto Israel a Savior, Jesus. Acts.13:23 - GOD raised up a Savior!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--II Pet. 1:1 shows one who's called God and Savior in the singular. It's nothing new for me to say Yaweh was manifested in the flesh and for Him to walk among us was through His tangible flesh form/incarnation(Yaweh-Yasha)
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--With that said, since a dual nature doesn't equate to the 2 distinct persons in your plural majesty that ancient monotheistic Hebrews had no comprehension or recognition of, then your theology idolatrously poses 2 gods in verse 2---after it's already established in verse 1 we're talking about Yaweh in the flesh
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--Clarke's Commentary on the Bible speaks on this particular passage--the 'acknowledging' of both manifestations; those who don't acknowledge Yaweh in the flesh before men will not receive multiplication of grace and peace.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…Jesus received power from GOD our Father!!! 2Peter.1:17…'--epic103
This by no means a new topic. This should remind you of when you ran from discussing Matt. 3:16, 17 multiple times. Go study why you abandon this issue again and again.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…Of this man's(David) seed hath GOD according to his promise raised unto Israel a Savior, Jesus. Acts.13:23 - GOD raised up a Savior!!!..'--epic103
Now let's go to Zech. 12:10--…they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes they will mourn for Him as one mourns his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.' --->God speaks of being pierced and desrcibes His incarnation, comparing it to like how we would see our own child.
dariusdise 1 year ago
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When the Jews(and Jesus was a Jew) spoke of GOD as being one(1) GOD. They meant that the TRUE GOD(Yaweh) was one(singular) supreme being!!! They had no concept of trinity!!!
The LORD GOD(Yaweh) is the GOD of Abraham, the GOD of Moses, the GOD of Jesus etc... That's why Jesus said the LORD our GOD is one GOD, and there is no GOD but Him!!! Jesus said, "OUR GOD."
Meaning the LORD GOD is his GOD too!
The LORD GOD will give him(Jesus) the throne of David. Luke.1:32
There is only 1 Most High GOD!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--Now go to Acts 20:28--Yaweh purchased the church with His own blood. Now go to I Tim. 3:16 and II Corr. 6:16 and explain who else God manifested Himself in the flesh as, walked among the people as, dwells among them as if not as Jesus.
dariusdise 1 year ago
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When the Jews(and Jesus was a Jew) spoke of GOD as being one(1) GOD. They meant that the TRUE GOD(Yaweh) was one(singular) supreme being!!! They had no concept of trinity!!!
The LORD GOD(Yaweh) is the GOD of Abraham, the GOD of Moses, the GOD of Jesus etc... That's why Jesus said the LORD our GOD is one GOD, and there is no GOD but Him!!! Jesus said, "OUR GOD."
Meaning the LORD GOD is his GOD too!
The LORD GOD will give him(Jesus) the throne of David. Luke.1:32
There is only 1 Most High GOD!!!
epic103 1 year ago
When the Jews(and Jesus was a Jew) spoke of GOD as being one(1) GOD. They meant that the TRUE GOD(Yaweh) was one(singular) supreme being!!! They had no concept of trinity!!!
The LORD GOD(Yaweh) is the GOD of Abraham, the GOD of Moses, the GOD of Jesus etc... That's why Jesus said the LORD our GOD is one GOD, and there is no GOD but Him!!! Jesus said, "OUR GOD."
Meaning the LORD GOD is his GOD too!
The LORD GOD will give him(Jesus) the throne of David. Luke.1:32
There is only 1 Most High GOD!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103---Did you post this on the wrong video??? Or are you addressing SirFroggyDoped???
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103
No, I meant it for you, but I had to delete your name to fit my comment!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--That's impossible. Because you just used made that comment on the 'Trinity is a False Doctrine' video while you were arguing with a trinitarian. I'm oneness, remember. On top of that, you can go down to where it says [View all Comments], click on it and go study where you abandoned these issues before. Then explain why you're trying to use them when you never resolved them before--and why you're wasting my time and yours...again.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@dariusdise
I can use it for both!!! It applies to both Oneness and Trinitarian!!!
What you fail to realize is, Jesus is not the Most High GOD!!! Because Jesus made clear that the One that sent him is our GOD!!! Jesus said, when you pray, pray to our Father(Yaweh) who are in heaven, hallowed be His name!!! In other words, hallowed be the name of the Most High Father(Yaweh).
Jesus prayed to the same GOD that Moses prayed to!!! Jesus worshiped the same GOD that Abraham worshiped!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--***yawn***Read your past comment and explain to me why you're trying to lecture me on plural majesty/trinity. Or explain why you're trying to use your same script for them on me. Or explain why you ran from those topics before and have the nerve to re-use them.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--As for everything else in your last comment--once more, you're not introducing anything new. You've already abandoned those topics before, too! Again…and again. Wow. Go study why you ran each time. You know the routine.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--So what's the next set of recycled and abandoned topics you're going to re-try unsuccessfully? Do I need to tell you beforehand to go and study those too before you even post them?
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--All right--see ya tomorrow, then.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@dariusdise
Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto his GOD and Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Rev.1:5,6
And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our GOD which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Rev.7:10 - OUR GOD is the Father(Yaweh), not Jesus!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--You brought nothing new to the table. Either you're hoping I forgot or you can't remember and you need to go back and see how you couldn't defend your arguments. Get a new script of responses. Good night.
dariusdise 1 year ago
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@dariusdise
LOL!!! Nice try, but you are the one who is running, not me!!! I keep using the same Scriptures because you can't answer them!!!
All you do is take verses out of context!!! Look at 2Peter.1:1,2 in context!!! This shows a distinction between Jesus and our GOD!!! Verse 2 says, Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of GOD, and of Jesus our Lord. 2Peter.1:2 - (shows a distinction)
Also, 2Peter.1:17 shows Jesus received power from GOD our Father!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--The suffix "hovah" is No. 1943 in Strong's Hebrew Dictionary and has the meaning of "ruin: mischief." It is another form of No. 1942, havvah, which is translated "calamity, iniquity, mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, noisome, perverse thing, substance, very wickedness. Embarrassing, indeed.
dariusdise 1 year ago
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epic103 1 year ago
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The bottom line is, Jesus taught that the true GOD is the Father(Jehovah), and that the Father alone is OUR GOD!!! Jesus prayed to GOD(Jehovah).
Jesus calls the Father(Jehovah) the Lord of heaven and earth. In the Old Testament the Lord of heaven and earth is Jehovah(Yahweh).
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth. Psalm.83:18 - (King James)
There is one GOD(Jehovah) and Father of all, who is over all, and who is in all. Eph.4:6
epic103 1 year ago
LOL!!! 1Tim.3:16 and 2Cor.6:16 doesn't prove GOD became a man!!! That is only according to your interpretation!!! But that would be out of harmony with everything else!!! We have to read Scripture as a whole and not cherry pick verses!!!
GOD made clear over and over again that He's not a man or a son of man!!! THAT ENDS ANY CONTROVERSY!!! Man is not GOD, and GOD is not Man!!!
Jesus has a GOD, and his GOD is OUR GOD!!!
End of Story!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--'...LOL!!!…'--epic103
Nervous laughter. You're having great difficulty reconciling this issue. How embarrassing.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…1Tim.3:16 and 2Cor.6:16 doesn't prove God became man!!! That is only according to your interpretation…'--epic103
I can understand your frustration. These passages won't let your theology stand(denial is a powerful force to be reckoned with). Perhaps you can give me your alternative JW-style interpretation of what they mean since you disagree. What else would scripture say He became then? Good luck.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…But that would be out of harmony with everything else!!!…'--epic103
That's out of harmony with YOUR flawed theology that cannot stand to scrutiny. I've defended mine very well. As for you--go to where it says [View All Comments], click onto it and pick out one topic you held ground on in the last 3 months. Just one
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…We have to read Scripture as a whole and not cherry pick verses!!!…'--epic103
Pay attention to your own quote when you get frustrated with scripture that won't let your theology stand
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…God made clear over and over again that He's not a man or a son of man!!!…'--epic103
Go study how I answered this topic you abandoned more than once. Then explain to me why I ended up saying, 'Duhhhh'! Think about this stuff before you post.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…Man is not God, and God is not man!!! Jesus has a God, and his God is OUR GOD!!!…'--epic103
This is the part where you not only explain away prophetic scripture and entertain me with alternative JW interpretations that deal with I Tim. 3:16 and II Corr. 6:16--and show who else God manifested Himself in the flesh as if not as Jesus. Can't wait to hear it. Again…good luck
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--By the way, explain why you re-use this topic when you never took care of it successfully at any time before. What makes this current failure of an attempt any different before you run to the next set of recycled topics?
dariusdise 1 year ago
@dariusdise
Your answers are RIDICULOUS!!!
You are basing your whole theology on 1Tim.3:16 and 2Cor.6:16. Neither of these verses proves Jesus is literally GOD Himself!!! Nice try though!!!
So did GOD lie the other 20 times where He said that he is not a man or a son of man??? GOD many times in the Old Testament said that He's not a man or a son of man!!! GOD is not Man, and Man is not GOD! His(GOD) way's are not our ways!!! GOD changes not!!!
According to Jesus, GOD is a Spirit!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--'…Your answers are RIDICULOUS!!!…'--epic103
That sounds funny coming from someone who can't defend any topic well.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--I'm sure you're tired of me poking fun at you. And I'm sure you're tired of me insisting you do what we both know you can't deliver on or explain why so. You should be de-sensitized by now, especially if you insist on debating with me for another year or two.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…You are basing your whole theology on I Tim 3:16 and II Corr. 6:16…'--epic103
Go down to where it says [View all Comments], click onto it, go back 3 months and study every argument from then to now. Compare this topic to every other topic you were stumped on(all of them). Explain why you just lied to yourself :]
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--Why is it every time when you get frustrated you have a tantrum about passages that won't let your flawed theology stand, including these? Who else did Yaweh manifest Himself in the flesh as according to these scriptures if not as Jesus? Answer the question
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…Neither of these verses proves Jesus is literally God Himself!!! …'--epic103
Again, what does your Watch Tower sources say to explain away these passages and dismiss prophetic scripture? All you have to do is properly address the question you keep avoiding since you disagree :]
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--You're saying everything except what's required to refute it. Your evasion is understandable. There's no shame in you losing this
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…Nice try though!!!…'--epic103
Speaking of nice tries--why are you trying to pretend you don't have to answer the question since you disagree with it and how it causes problems for your theology? You put yourself into a position where you have to enlighten me with some alternative explanation of those passages. Or explain why you're losing. Sorry.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…So did GOD lie the other 20 times where He said that he is not a man or a son of man??? …'--epic103
As I said before, why would He say in the OT He's in the flesh if His prophetic promises don't occur until the NT era???? What would He have to lie about??? Duhhhhhhh! Do you even think before you re-post your recycled and abandoned topics??? Let's say it again--duhhhhhhhh!
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…GOD is not Man, and Man is not GOD! His(GOD) way's are not our ways!!! GOD changes not!!…'--epic103
Once again, God is the I AM whether He manifests Himself in the flesh or as spirit to walk among us and dwell within us according to His prophecies He made in the OT
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'...According to Jesus God is a Spirit…'
And since Yaweh manifested Himself in the flesh according to prophetic scripture, your point is what? An incarnation usually does involve becoming something fleshly material from something divinely immaterial, correct? Duhhhhhh!
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--Beyond John 4:24--in verse 26, Yaweh in the flesh says, 'ego eimi, ho lalon soi'--identifying Himself as the I AM(ego eimi) of the OT
dariusdise 1 year ago
@dariusdis
The bottom line is, Jesus taught that the true GOD is the Father(Jehovah), and that the Father alone is OUR GOD!!! Jesus prayed to GOD(Jehovah).
Jesus calls the Father(Jehovah) the Lord of heaven and earth. In the Old Testament the Lord of heaven and earth is Jehovah(Yahweh).
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth. Psalm.83:18 - (King James)
There is one GOD(Jehovah) and Father of all, who is over all, and who is in all. Eph.4:6
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--'…The bottom line is, Jesus taught that the true GOD is the Father(Jehovah), and that the Father alone is OUR GOD!!! Jesus prayed to GOD(Jehovah)…'--epic103
These re-used and abandoned topics you never took care of before aren't anything new. Go study why you ran from them. Then explain why you have the nerve to re-introduce them.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--Maybe the reason why you keep doing that is because your scripted responses are so limited and you don't know what else to do when they're easily refuted.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--Which abandoned topics are you going to re-try and repost for next time? Maybe I need to play a game--guess which ones you'll try in the next rotation. Don't forget to also mention how one of them will supposedly 'end all controversy' :]
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…Jesus calls the Father(Jehovah) the Lord of heaven and earth…'--epic103
If you're referring to the topic of prayer from Matt. 11, go a month back and study why you ran from that topic and never resolved it.
dariusdise 1 year ago
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@epic103--'…That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth. Psalm.83:18 - (King James)…'--epic103
And since Yaweh is the same Most High that manifested Himself in the flesh, walked among the people and dwells within us according to His prophetic promises fulfilled in the NT--your point with this scripture against me was what again???
dariusdise 1 year ago
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@epic103--'…There is one GOD(Jehovah) and Father of all, who is over all, and who is in all. Eph.4:6…'--epic103
I'm actually surprised you would go anywhere near Eph. 4 where I'm sure I've touched base about a month or so ago on Eph. 4:9,10 in particular.
dariusdise 1 year ago
The context of John.4:23,24 is the Father(Yahweh). In other words, our Father(GOD). Jesus said to worship the Father(GOD) in spirit and in truth!!!
According to Jesus, our GOD is the Father, and He alone is Lord of heaven and earth!!!
Jesus said, that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but only the Father knows. Mark.13:32 - only the Father is the Most High!!!
Jesus ascends to his GOD and to our GOD!!!
That ends any controversy!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103---Who exactly was your comment aimed toward?
dariusdise 1 year ago
You, or anyone else!
The LORD GOD is the Father(Yahweh), not Jesus! Jesus is a servant of the LORD!!!
The LORD GOD will give him(Jesus) the throne of his father David. Luke.1:32
Salvation belongs to OUR GOD who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb(Jesus). Rev.7:10 - OUR GOD and Jesus are distinct!!!
Jesus never said he was our GOD, he taught that OUR GOD is the Father(Yahweh), and that we must worship the Father in spirit and in truth!
Jesus taught that his GOD is our GOD!!! Jesus has a GOD!!!
epic103 1 year ago
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dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--Wouldn't it be convenient for everyone to know the hour so they could sin as much as they want and then repent and accept salvation the day before? The point is to live Godly lives and not let your guard down. Read the parable of Matt. 25:14-30
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--I can't help but notice how similar Mark 13:32 and Matt. 24:36. In the NKJV Matt. 24:36 doesn't have the 'nor the Son' part--but Mark 13:32 does. This seems like an awkward situation. What's interesting is how John 16:30, 21:17… Matt. 24: 29-35 support Matt. 24:36 very well
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--Strong's Greek Dictionary breaks down the word 'knoweth', which is 'eido' in Greek--used only in certain past tenses, the others being borrowed from the equiv. G3700 and G3708; to know:--be aware, behold, X can (+ not tell), consider, (have) known (-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wist, wot
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--Yaweh-Yasha(Yaweh in the flesh) spoke of both natures(Father/OT nature and that of the Son/incarnation) in the 3rd person. The nature of the flesh is always subject to the divine, made little lower than the angels and the Son manifestation makes it clear that the hour will not be revealed
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--Yaweh-Yasha(Yaweh in the flesh) did not want His disciples to be ignorant of the last times, focused more on how to keep from being deceived. He would not reveal the precise time of His return to His disciples, but in Matt, 28:20 He did make it clear that the end would not come immediately.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--In relative passages to this topic He described many of the signs that would precede His return to the earth. If the disciples listened carefully to His words they would know the "season" of His coming and all the signs that lead up to it.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--It would make no sense for Yaweh in the flesh to be ignorant about the end times and yet be so specific in giving details of the signs of the end times. The point of His teaching in Matthew 24 was to be ready.In this Matt. 24, He speaks of the signs and says when in v. 33 it's 'at the doors.'
dariusdise 1 year ago
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dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--Because they did not know the precise time of the Lord's return they were to be watchful and attentive. The disciples had a fixation on knowing the exact time of our Lord's return. Yaweh-Yasha is saying, in effect, "It is none of your business. Don't be disobedient and try to predict my coming. Be about the business of growing in holiness so that you'll be prepared."
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--As for your other recycled and abandoned topics, you know the routine--go back and study why you couldn't hold ground on these topics before. Enjoy the rest of your weekend, see you next week.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@dariusdise
The bottom line is, Jesus Christ has a GOD!!!
Jesus made clear that he ascends to his GOD and to our GOD!!!
Jesus said, eternal life is to know the TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, the One that He(GOD) sent forth!!! That is what Jesus TAUGHT!!!
That ends any controversy!!!
To teach anything else is heresy!!!
Jesus said, only one is your Father(GOD), and He is in heaven!!! GOD was not on the earth, the TRUE GOD was in heaven!!! Jesus has a GOD, but GOD doesn't!!!
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103--Every topic in your last post--go down to where it says [View All Comments], click onto it and go study why you abandoned these topics multiple times over the course of the 3 months we've been debating--then explain why you're wasting my time and yours when you never reconciled them before
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--Do you keep doing that because you can't remember where else or who else you used them on to where you forgot you've already used them on me? Or are you hoping I forgot you did? Keep up with that.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--And by the way, you've yet to answer my question about who else Yaweh manifested Himself in the flesh as according to I Tim. 3:16 and II Corr. 6:16 if not as Jesus.
dariusdise 1 year ago
SIMPLE / REAL : the messiah was great. he spoke in metaphors that were taken literal. he was a human like you and i. he was not god. the reason why he's considered a deity is because FAITH can make a people / beleif system believe in an idiom of the scriptures without understanding that it's a idiom. if one ever read poetry, one MUST understand that the type of language can not be taken literal. why? because the reader will miss the writer's point and message. it's that simple.
afterray 1 year ago
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If Jesus is the true GOD, why did all the Apostles start their letters giving thanks to GOD our Father? GOD is always recognized as our Father!!! Nowhere is Jesus called GOD our Son. Only the Father is clearly called GOD!!!
That the GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him. Eph.1:17
It's all about knowing Him(Father). The Father(LORD) is the true GOD!!! That is what Jesus preached.
epic103 1 year ago
LOL!!!
1st. The Most High GOD never literally became a man! That's according to your interpretation!
2nd. You are totally distorting Mark.10:18
3rd. Jesus said many times that the true GOD was in Heaven!!! Jesus said, when you pray, pray to the Father who is in Heaven!
4th. When Jesus was baptized and the voice of GOD came from Heaven, who's voice was this??? Obviously the voice was the Most High(Father). Unless Jesus is a ventriloquist???
epic103 1 year ago
@epic103---Well, Happy NewYear. Let's start this week off.
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…LOL!!! 1st. The Most High GOD never literally became a man! That's according to your interpretation!…'--epic103
Very bold--and you've yet to answer who else Yaweh manifested Himself in the flesh as according to I Tim 3:16 and II Corr. 6:16 if not as Jesus. Who else did He walk among the people and dwell within us as?
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--By saying He didn't do so, you have to call Him an incompetent liar and offer an alternative for who else scripture would say He was manifested as. And when you can't reconcile this with your own interpretation backed by scripture, explain why. :]
dariusdise 1 year ago
@epic103--'…2nd. You are totally distorting Mark.10:18…'--epic103
This one's hilarious. You seem to not like how I easily handled this passage and cited an official source. Again, I have the edge. Since you disagree, this is the part where you offer your alternative social-science interpretation based on agonistic ancient Hebrew culture that supports your claim. Good luck--can't wait to hear it :]
dariusdise 1 year ago