"Free Tibet"! Proof, What has China done to the Tibetan Culture!---Protect Tibtean Culture!

[DieHardDalaiFan]

Liars always lose, and His Holiness is a big fat juicy Liar.

[paszompa]

and i am die hard fan chinese government......

get a life

[DieHardDalaiFan]

Hmm, a fan of the Chinese government? Good for you!

I'm a die hard fan of HH.

Squirt Squirt....

[shyamranger]

Me toooooooooo ........ i love there govt. system.

[OwenLJN]

Canada stands with China!

[ardordong]

Proof! Premier Wen Jiabo gave proof that Dalai Lama is lying again!

Premier Wen Jiabo gave a new example with details that Dalai Lama is lying again!

Wen said, the Tibetan leader was now claiming that he never asked for removal of Chinese troops from Tibet. This was a lie because the Dalai Lama had said as much in writing in the United States and in Europe in 1987 and 1988.

From The Times of India

watch?v=HfeRu6quHwc

watch?v=2uOi08Fppt4

[ardordong]

No, it just is a place of China, with good culture and nice view to common people. To political, it is special and important place. To understand this, you need to read: Google: The Tibet Myth By Michael Parenti

It is written by a western famous person.

[ardordong]

Common Chinese think Tibetan culture is supernatural.

As to Tibetan history, some Chinese dosen't know it very clearly and they only know it belongs to China. So some young Chinese student can not say too mcuh to you.

But educated person will tell you detailedly.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

supernatural? in a good or bad way.

[ardordong]

good way.

something you only can find in heaven.

Have you ever listened real Tibetan music, not the garbage music about free Tibet(That is not Tibet tone).

[FreeSecularIran2009]

yeah i have listened to tibetan music its very peaceful and relaxing to hear.

so are tibetan cultural influences(music) popular in china?

i thought dalai lama said china wanted "wipe out tibetan" culture.

like i said i dont want to judge neither side but its fascinating to hear from both sides and both ppl.

[ardordong]

Read White Paper

Tibet -- Its Ownership And Human Rights Situation google it. Then you will know what China do.

Chinese like tibetan music very much, it is perfect.

When you went to Tibet, Such as Potala Palace and some temples, you wil find it is always repaired and painted. Check a Chinese movie A World Without Thieves

in 2003, you will find it.

[ardordong]

Frist, you need to know, Tibet is a part of China historically. If you have trouble with this, you need to read history.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

yeah i hear both arguments for this.

Is is it true then that most Tibetans in Tibet dont consider themselves chinese?

[ardordong]

In the history, Tibet is a part of China. This is definitely right. Not both side, only one said is right.

But Tibet had its autonomy for more than 600 years.

But this 14th Dalie Lama, supported by UK, wants independence when the new China was born. So Chairman Mao send army to Tibet even Tibet is tough to arrive at that time. In 1951, Mao won and Dalie Lama surrendered. But Tibet still got autonomy. But in 1959, supported by CIA of USA, Dalie Lama wants independence again and exiled.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

So why do so many tibetans(exiles) live in india?

why cant they return to their homeland? does china allow them?

So do chinese consider tibetans to be "chinese" aswell?

[ardordong]

India has some territory problem with China, so it support exiles tibetans to get point.

why cant they return to their homeland?

Because Dalie Lama never give up the dream of free Tibet. Dont you see it in internet? And the western conturies still support their anti-China action.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

have you ever been to tibet? if so what was it like?how were the ppl there to you?

would you go again?

how would you personaly feel or most chinese if tibet was ever split from china?

thank you for answering my questions so far btw.

[ardordong]

I stayed in Tibet for 3 months.

It likes heaven.

You will have no worry in heaven.

The only thing you can do is to enjoy heaven life.

The people are rich and so nice and so pure.

In this internet, such as youtube, there is so many exiles Tibetan who never know how Tibet likes and only want to anti China. They cant tell you a real Tibet.

They like me too and we made good friends. I will go back to see them and drink Tibet alcohol when i go back China.

[ardordong]

White Paper

Tibet -- Its Ownership And Human Rights Situation

Google it, the1st result.

[blaindis]

this is so ridiculous! this is chinese television so its broadcasting what is right for china... a propaganda to persuade chinese people their goverment is doing everything just fine...

[FreeSecularIran2009]

lol that is probally is true

[ardordong]

Ok. blaindis,

Give me your proof that China damaged Tibetan culture or the problem in this vedio, PLZ.

[baisuskentas]

what proof do u need?u cant even talk about Dalai Lama when ur in tibet or u will be punished.. do u call that freedom? if there is no freedome of word how can u talk about culture?

stop reffering the information from china cuz its controllled by its government and dont waste your time replying to me cuz anyway i won't believe the bullshit u claim

[ardordong]

Sorry.

THERE IS NO NEED to open media to FUCKING DISTORTION WESTERN MEDIA.

COZ they can not give out an OBJECTIVE report. They will only see China with their FUCKING DISTORTION eyes.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

so how do most tibetans IN tibet feel?

do most support the dala lama?

most want independence from china? do they carry carry the same anti-chinese sentiment as the exiles?

how do the chinese feel about tibet and tibetans?

I wonder...

ah who knows

[FreeSecularIran2009]

I think only tibetan ppl can decide whats best for them.

[ardordong]

It is definitely TURE that common people in Tibet dont care who will govern the Tibet, they only care their common life.

That is what I get from the talk with people when I was in Tibet.

Ony exile Tibetan is so worried to go back for their control serf dream.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

so what do chinese think of tibet and tibetans?

[ardordong]

At first, 20more than years ago, Han people don't have a good image to Tibetan. Because they are very poor, dirty (they dont take bath often), barbarism, no education, aggressive with a sword. Han people are not happy to Tibetan, especially when Chinese government put huge money on Tibetan and their economy.

[ardordong]

Because Tibet is the poorest province in China and China always give privilege to Tibetan, such as low requirement to college, tax deration, and more subsidies. They think government spoil Tibetan.

[ardordong]

But this image is not right, the problem is not so many people went to Tibet and only some Tibetan came for business. But when the railway reached Tibet 2006, with more people visiting Tibet, Han people know well about Tibetan. They are friendly. And they understand the government policy of Tibet.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

Do chinese and Tibetans get along in China?

What is the chinese view on tibetan culture and history?

i saw one chinese man say he waited 8 years for the railroad to be built so he could see "blue tibet sky".

so do many chinese like to visit tibet?

[ardordong]

"see "blue tibet sky"." That was my dream many years ago. I believe that is a dream of many Chinese.

I cant agree him more.

Why, Tibet is called the last place where there is no industry.

In fact, the sky is "fantastic" blue.

I often go over my photo in Tibet grassland.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

so tibet in some ways is in the heart and loved by many chinese and tibetans.

this is interesting.

now i wont go into history or make judgements on either side. but one thing I can gather is that land(tibet) is most dearly cared and loved by both chinese and tibetans. in than case its such a pity both sides still conflict over it and their is dispute and agitation which i dont think the west helps. when its clear you both love the same thing.

you both have more in common than you think.

[ardordong]

You are right.

Now you know Dalie Lama "wipe out tibetan culture" is lying. How come China do that?

In this situation, China want Dalie Lama come back to enjoy Tibet. But Dalie lama curse China on Cuture damaging to get back autonomy. But China wont give him now.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

so to most to chinese tibet is a special and important place in china that they love?(or is that being a bit dramatic)

How would you personly or most of china feel if tibet was ever severed from china?

do u think that this is a western tactic of "divide and conquer" here by supporting the Dalai lama?

[ardordong]

But not many Chinese want to be involved in political.

[ardordong]

Yes, I think it is a intrigue to Anti China, last year, and the western media distortion is so obvious.

Now, in China's BBS, news and reviews from USA media has already been labeled as RED: "News from US with political goal, please discern it yourself". OR "NO NEWS FROM USA". That means CNN has already been dead in China and Chinese all know they have a intrigue.

[ardordong]

It is a pity that western people were Cheated by western media and Dalai Lama.

I ask you a question and you can also ask other people, including your friends. What does the title "Dalia Lama" means? Since it is a title for caesaropapism authority, how does it come?

[FreeSecularIran2009]

havent got a clue what does it mean?

[ardordong]

Dalai means"Ocean", Lama means "teacher".

Since you even did not know the meanings, I dont think you know how it becomes a a title for caesaropapism authority, right?

[FreeSecularIran2009]

No like i told you before, this whole "free tibet" thing all i know is what i hear from both sides.

[ardordong]

Like i told you before, you were cheated by that side.

How do I know?

I can check and find the stuff from the western writer which will not be taken by western media coz it will discover the long time lying.

I dont need to find Chinese material to expatiate it and I already give you western one before.

Also you can see some different sounds form western

watch?v=n2Ul-no_Ugg

watch?v=uLTm0xrG-v4

[FreeSecularIran2009]

Yes well i do believe the who slave thing was true. The more i think about it the more it worries me and makes me think what kind of man the dalai lama really is and what these "Free tibet" ppl really want.

it scares me. its like thinking you knew a person's intentions and character then to find out otherswise its like being cheated and decieved.

it makes you think...

what else dont i know?

[ardordong]

right, it is bad to know being cheated.

But, as a commno people, what do you think of dalai lama before you know more?

[FreeSecularIran2009]

but that being said there are still some concerns i have with china's policies.

pollution,enviorment,labour and the whole taiwan issue.

Tibet i think i am beging to realise what that really means when they say "Free tibet".

Its not "free tibetans" its "Give tibet to lama and the monks". There is one thing I hate is theocracy!

Nothertheless i see china in a more open mind and new light now.

[ardordong]

Yes, monk really support Dalai Lama.

But only in Buddhism branch which Dalai Lama is in.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

Well to be honest I didnt know much about the dalai lama only what was portray of him.

which was a peaceful,pacifist,selfless man being persecuted by "ruthless communists" they make it out. That tibet is now one big concentration camp or something. That chinese hate and persecute tibetans.

well you get the picture. Trying to make him the next Ghandi but I dont remember ghandi charging over $1000 for a ticket in his audience. asking $200,000 a year US gov 4 personal expenses.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

This american guy also makes some good points.

watch?v=e6QTb35douw

[ardordong]

Yes, you get some different sounds.

The more u know, the clearer itis.

watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY&feature=re­lated

[FreeSecularIran2009]

yeah but can i ask your opinion on one thing, was the whole "human skin" thing true? what was that about?

[ardordong]

human skin, Dalai lama use it in their stuff. He also need bone, blood. It is ture and written in white paper. Their is a letter showing Dalai lama ask for this before their religion stuff.

Because, Tibetan believe religion and they are serf, they probably has no chioce. Personally, I have no opinion on it, coz it has religion reason.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

Also before once Rupert Murdoch whoses wife is chinese. said this about dalai

a very political monk running amok in Gucci slippers'

Ofcorse the liberals and his supporters had

a shit fit when he said this.

I thought little of it at the time but now i know were that comment was coming from.

This from one of the richest men in the world thinks the dalai lama is a sham.

[ardordong]

It is lucky that you realize that Dalie Lama is lying.

As I mentioned before Tibet is a part of China but Tibet is autonomy before. The thing is Dalie Lama never admits this and advocates the western that Tibet is an independent country and China invaded it. He cheated for many years without talking their cruelty stuff in his THEOCRACY. This made the whole western countries think Tibet and China is totally different and opposite two things.

[ardordong]

The public of the western world was cheated. I must say Dalie Lama won in the international public voice and China lost.

But who will lose at last? Dalie Lama, definitely will.

1. He is lying and the western heat the cheat and being cheat;

2. He can not forget the THEOCRACY and it is garbage in the history;

3. He cant live for ever and he is already 75;

4. China freed the serf and is supported the most of Tibet people;

[ardordong]

5. China developed the economy and Tibet people lead a satisfied material life;

6. Most of Tibet people don't care who will govern them and they only care the good life today.

[paszompa]

keep on leing................

tibet is independent country and chinese government should give freedom

free tibet

[shyamranger]

Fuck your Freedom.

[paszompa]

i will you don't have to worry.

what is your problem? you are Nepali so why barking in some other people business. today i am not gonna slack you cuz i leave in nepal as well.

[alakepiopio]

he s just a wanker and a puppet of the west who are scared of china's military and economic muscle. i remember the 'peaceful' protest as mentioned in the western media. but what i saw on tv was some tibetans beating up policemen, destroying and looting shops. i f that was classified as peacful protest, then shame on the west. they are scared of china that s all. maybe china should start telling US to leave irag, afghan and UK should let northern ireland, scotalnd, wales be independent.

[FreeSecularIran2009]

if chinese dont like tibetans and think the province in china is poor and thinks its a burden,

why dont they do themselves a favour and

give Tibet sovereignty to tibetans?

[ardordong]

I need to say, there are still some gulf between Tibetan and Han people. But that is not a big deal.

[ardordong]

What kind of language are you speaking?

It is so tough to understand.

[pelzZypelzZ]

i luf my country n ma people^^

may GOD bless dem..

FREE TIBET FROM da hell wea monsters live**

pelzZ>33

[ardordong]

What kind of language are you speaking?

It is so tough to understand.

[ardordong]

I am putting the vedio about Tibetan culture here. Why will you go to tianmen journalist?

Too far away.

Talk abot Tibetan culture here. I have already give the proof. If you think this vedio is lying like Dalie Lama, give me proof, PLZ.

I dont understand ur "So tell me if tibet is free, why china put journalists in the prisons?" Do you mean China  put journalists in the prisons because of Tibet. Give me details.

[schoeni199]

sorry ardordong, but this is a big lie!!

a VERY VERY big lie!!

So tell me if tibet is free, why china put journalists in the prisons?

Tibet is not free!

Dont believe this shit, thats the only way to save the tibetian culture!

AND CHINA ISNT FREE TOO!!!!

For exampl: Last year a journalist reported about the "accident" at the tianmen square!!

HE WAS 5 TIMES IN PRISON AND IS OBSERVED BY THE CHINESE POLICE!

[custno08]

You don't lie also, You think you fucking journalist are 'clean' & 'good' person either? who doesn't know the motive behind your tactic?

[schoeni199]

it was a chinese journalist!

[anoneagle]

Nice video. Beautiful people!

[ardordong]

Yes, it remind me of my nice memory in Tibet. I like the feeling and the culture in Tibet.

I will go there again when I go back China.:)