Persian shut the Fuck up! Nobodody believes in your lies! Iran is the fiction of a sick and rascist murder named riza khan! he was a traitor during the revulotion till his resignation! And his son the same shit! We have enough from persian administration! Everyone in Iran fight against you kurdas arabs baluc even lor! Iran gets Viran my People gets atonomous an free! We have shown you with May Qiyamet what wie give about you! Yashasin Azerbaycan Milleti!
Persian! Shut the fuck up with your lies! Nobodody beliefes you! Iran get Viran! Azerbaycan gets autonomous! Iran is e fiction of a sick murder racist named riza khan a traitor during the revulition 1905 till his reisgnation an his son was the same! Enough form persian administration we want and we get free! my people have shwon what we give about "iran
A recent study of the genetic landscape of Iran was completed by a team of Cambridge geneticists. This group had done extensive DNA testing on different language groups, including Indo-European and non Indo-European speakers, in Iran. The study found that the Azerbaijanis of Iran do not have a similar FSt and other genetic markers found in Anatolian and European Turks. However, the genetic Fst and other genetic traits like MRca and mtDNA of Iranian Azeris were identical to Persians in Iran.
Your statement is borderline juvenile and genetics are irrellevent. Albeit, one can easily dispute statistical samples and methods, a quick study of cultural historical fact speak for themselves. The grievances are not with genetics but are cultural, its about the trampling of the rights of one minority by forbidding them to read write and study in their mothers tongue, its about creating division among a group of people, its about forcing them to abandon their cultural heritage.
Kamtrix- What you are saying is that statistics stands for nothing. We know that there are various tests devised in statistics that are normally used to validate the data and samples. However, you raise cultural differences which I dispute. For this you need to go back in time. Back to Meads which were the original tribe that migrated to Iran between 3000-4000BC. They called themselves Aryan (or noble) which is incorrectly mistaken with race an invention of west in 19th and 20 century.
As a professional scientist (mathematician), and a native of iran azerebaijan I know enough about the demographics of my people, not to mention statistics and genetics. The same history you are refereeing to, I too am familiar with, you'll be hard pressed to educate me on anyone of those topics.
Nor should you try to impress unsuspecting people with cut and pasted jargon. Having said that, this is not 3000 years ago, we are not talking medes or parthians, we are not talking genetics either, anyone one of those are topics far too deep for this conversation, I leave them to the anthropologists and social scientist and whoever else.
This is about our contemporary history, the people of Azerbaijan, should have the right to celeberate their heritage, their language and customs. As a native of iran and Azerbaijan, I can relate to what it is to be a Turk in a Fars society. To speak Turkish at home and be forced to speak Farsi at school. Its not acceptable when Tabriz university, the second oldest university in Iran, does not teach Turkish!
History matters. It matters as Iranians despite the invasion of Arabs and occupation of their land for 800-900 years managed to hold on to their identity. With your theory if US stays in Iraq for a few hundred years and their language changes to English, the Iraqi's would become Anglo-American culturally and their history irrelevant. Btw, you are not the only one with a PhD in this forum, I am not sure why you mentioned this?
You r not getting me.This is about embracing cultures, customs & heritage. "bani adam azay yek digarand , keh dar afarinesh zeh yek goharand" I am paraphrasing that line of poetry that speaks volumes. My point is not a diversionist one but one of recognition that we evolved differently with intermingled customs that has added to the richness of our society. Respect and celeberate the richness of heritage and stop this nonsense ignorant reactionary behavior. <EOM>
I suggest you read my posts again. I believe I have answered your concerns. Iran has never been about one particular culture, but in time it has evolved into one with minor differences amongst the Azari's Kurds, Blouch, Bakhtiyari, Pasri etc.. Within a family you have grievances! It's a norm, its human nature! But I insist that these are our internal issues. Rather than putting your emotional hat on, try your logical and you'll see the point I am trying to make.
Not to mention in Turkish! The people of Azerbaijan have a mixed rich heritage of thousands of years, from Persian, Greek, Arab to central asia and a major passage way on the silk road that brought people together from east to west. In shahnameh, Firdausi referred to them as the tourian, I suggest you read your shahnameh before coding genetics.
In Switzerland there are 4 distinct languages spoken in 4 corner of the land, each with their own distinct culture, each proud to be either swiss of French, german, Italian heritage. That's the difference between civilized people and barbaric people like us. One can learn so much from them, instead of creating division, they take the time to learn each others languages and customs.
...They were indo-European and Persians were their decedents. Azar Abadegan the region that Azari's occupied known as Aradbijan today spoke an indo European language known as Adhari up to and including the 17 century. However, Tabriz became the capital of Iran during the invasion and occupation of Moguls which later adapted Parsi as their official language throughout the empire.
Much of this influence came from Azari's as well as the rich Iranian culture which will never be tarnished by the last 30 or 300 years for that matter, given ancient foot prints of civilisations going as far back as 10,000 years enriching our land, culture. Azari's today hold key positions economically and politically and in the past (Safavied and Qajar dynasties). There is absolutely no cultural difference while Azari's continue to talk in Turkish.
...I am a few percent Azari (from grandmother-mothers side), and most of the friends I had while growing up and have today are Azari's. There is no patriot like Azari's as they have built Iran. How can anyone claim that they are culturally different is beyond me. Today however, US and west which look very decent and civilised, the colonial powers of not the so distant past, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombers, the mass murderers of Vitnam and Iraq, ...
...the creators of Ben Laden and Taliban, the conglomerates and corporate west, intend to take over ME oil resources. To this end they would like to install puppets in all major oil producing countries including Iran so that they could freely suck our countries dry. Iran is a difficult country to occupy, so they would rather fund separatist and thugs to destabilise Iran. And I agree with you, we should stand united, but by united we don't allow interference in our internal affairs. ...
The Swiss that you are so enthusiastically describe have taken care of funds belonging to many nasty regimes, individuals for decades including the Nazi Germany. I am sorry but we seem to be infatuated by all things western and I trace that back to Ataturk legacy. I come from a more ancient land that is proud of its many achievements and would like to resurrect and do them all over again and better.
Türkleri Altaydan gelmeyibler - Azerbaijan ve Avrupa erazisinin autoxton xalqlaridir!!!!! Burada baxiram ki, bezileri eskimish , indi ise artiq görkemli tarixchiler ve turkologlar terefinden "altay teoriyasi" ( TEORIYASI !!!) adlandirilan bir ferziyyeni aksioma kimi qeleme verirler. Getsinler bir az daha oxusunlar.
Azerbaycan en eski uygarlukların beshiyidir ve Türk ırkını temsil eder.Dünya yaranandan beri Azerbaycan Azerbaycandır..Farslarsa Hindistandan gelmishler..Siktir olup dönsünler Hindistana!
For great Azerbaijan...FUCK PKK AND ARMENİAN + PERSİANS FASHİZM..ALL ARİANS ARE THE SOLD..fUCK YOU ASS vAHAHA..Pkkının da amına koyayim senin de vahahaha!!!Azerbaycan İranda periadan daha buyuk anladınmı lan amcık?!
Samanmov99,watch out your ass,don't be so hostile to donkeys,because donkeys have monstereous-huge DICKS.You don't want your ass to be torn apart,who knows may be you like sucking donkey dick? You are sick,very sick man !!!
Cok gozel,dillerinize saglik.Allah her daim sizlerin yuzunuzu guldursun ,delikanli,yigit gardaslarim.Sizleri tarifsiz duygularla seviyoruz.Dogum buyuk olacak,bunlar dogum sancilari.Turk'un hakimiyetine az kaldi,gunes gibi dogacagiz cok cok yakinda...Kavusmamiza,vuslata ramak kaldi.
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Long live South Turk Azerbaycan!
Stop the Persian Crime to al MINORITIES in IRAN!!!
هارای هارای من تورکم
اوز دیلیمده مدرسه -مدرسه
تورک اولر اسیر اولماز
اوز الیمیز اوز باشیمیز. یاشاسین استقلالیمیز
Stop the Racism (Persian卍,Aryan卍,Pars卍)
eldirim 3 years ago
Persian shut the Fuck up! Nobodody believes in your lies! Iran is the fiction of a sick and rascist murder named riza khan! he was a traitor during the revulotion till his resignation! And his son the same shit! We have enough from persian administration! Everyone in Iran fight against you kurdas arabs baluc even lor! Iran gets Viran my People gets atonomous an free! We have shown you with May Qiyamet what wie give about you! Yashasin Azerbaycan Milleti!
Montblanc007 4 years ago
Persian! Shut the fuck up with your lies! Nobodody beliefes you! Iran get Viran! Azerbaycan gets autonomous! Iran is e fiction of a sick murder racist named riza khan a traitor during the revulition 1905 till his reisgnation an his son was the same! Enough form persian administration we want and we get free! my people have shwon what we give about "iran
Montblanc007 4 years ago
A recent study of the genetic landscape of Iran was completed by a team of Cambridge geneticists. This group had done extensive DNA testing on different language groups, including Indo-European and non Indo-European speakers, in Iran. The study found that the Azerbaijanis of Iran do not have a similar FSt and other genetic markers found in Anatolian and European Turks. However, the genetic Fst and other genetic traits like MRca and mtDNA of Iranian Azeris were identical to Persians in Iran.
zakzaloo 4 years ago
Mr. Zakzaloo,
Your statement is borderline juvenile and genetics are irrellevent. Albeit, one can easily dispute statistical samples and methods, a quick study of cultural historical fact speak for themselves. The grievances are not with genetics but are cultural, its about the trampling of the rights of one minority by forbidding them to read write and study in their mothers tongue, its about creating division among a group of people, its about forcing them to abandon their cultural heritage.
kamtrix 4 years ago
Kamtrix- What you are saying is that statistics stands for nothing. We know that there are various tests devised in statistics that are normally used to validate the data and samples. However, you raise cultural differences which I dispute. For this you need to go back in time. Back to Meads which were the original tribe that migrated to Iran between 3000-4000BC. They called themselves Aryan (or noble) which is incorrectly mistaken with race an invention of west in 19th and 20 century.
zakzaloo 4 years ago
As a professional scientist (mathematician), and a native of iran azerebaijan I know enough about the demographics of my people, not to mention statistics and genetics. The same history you are refereeing to, I too am familiar with, you'll be hard pressed to educate me on anyone of those topics.
kamtrix 4 years ago
Nor should you try to impress unsuspecting people with cut and pasted jargon. Having said that, this is not 3000 years ago, we are not talking medes or parthians, we are not talking genetics either, anyone one of those are topics far too deep for this conversation, I leave them to the anthropologists and social scientist and whoever else.
kamtrix 4 years ago
This is about our contemporary history, the people of Azerbaijan, should have the right to celeberate their heritage, their language and customs. As a native of iran and Azerbaijan, I can relate to what it is to be a Turk in a Fars society. To speak Turkish at home and be forced to speak Farsi at school. Its not acceptable when Tabriz university, the second oldest university in Iran, does not teach Turkish!
kamtrix 4 years ago
History matters. It matters as Iranians despite the invasion of Arabs and occupation of their land for 800-900 years managed to hold on to their identity. With your theory if US stays in Iraq for a few hundred years and their language changes to English, the Iraqi's would become Anglo-American culturally and their history irrelevant. Btw, you are not the only one with a PhD in this forum, I am not sure why you mentioned this?
zakzaloo 4 years ago
You r not getting me.This is about embracing cultures, customs & heritage. "bani adam azay yek digarand , keh dar afarinesh zeh yek goharand" I am paraphrasing that line of poetry that speaks volumes. My point is not a diversionist one but one of recognition that we evolved differently with intermingled customs that has added to the richness of our society. Respect and celeberate the richness of heritage and stop this nonsense ignorant reactionary behavior. <EOM>
kamtrix 4 years ago
I suggest you read my posts again. I believe I have answered your concerns. Iran has never been about one particular culture, but in time it has evolved into one with minor differences amongst the Azari's Kurds, Blouch, Bakhtiyari, Pasri etc.. Within a family you have grievances! It's a norm, its human nature! But I insist that these are our internal issues. Rather than putting your emotional hat on, try your logical and you'll see the point I am trying to make.
zakzaloo 4 years ago
Not to mention in Turkish! The people of Azerbaijan have a mixed rich heritage of thousands of years, from Persian, Greek, Arab to central asia and a major passage way on the silk road that brought people together from east to west. In shahnameh, Firdausi referred to them as the tourian, I suggest you read your shahnameh before coding genetics.
kamtrix 4 years ago
further....
In Switzerland there are 4 distinct languages spoken in 4 corner of the land, each with their own distinct culture, each proud to be either swiss of French, german, Italian heritage. That's the difference between civilized people and barbaric people like us. One can learn so much from them, instead of creating division, they take the time to learn each others languages and customs.
kamtrix 4 years ago
...They were indo-European and Persians were their decedents. Azar Abadegan the region that Azari's occupied known as Aradbijan today spoke an indo European language known as Adhari up to and including the 17 century. However, Tabriz became the capital of Iran during the invasion and occupation of Moguls which later adapted Parsi as their official language throughout the empire.
zakzaloo 4 years ago
Much of this influence came from Azari's as well as the rich Iranian culture which will never be tarnished by the last 30 or 300 years for that matter, given ancient foot prints of civilisations going as far back as 10,000 years enriching our land, culture. Azari's today hold key positions economically and politically and in the past (Safavied and Qajar dynasties). There is absolutely no cultural difference while Azari's continue to talk in Turkish.
zakzaloo 4 years ago
...I am a few percent Azari (from grandmother-mothers side), and most of the friends I had while growing up and have today are Azari's. There is no patriot like Azari's as they have built Iran. How can anyone claim that they are culturally different is beyond me. Today however, US and west which look very decent and civilised, the colonial powers of not the so distant past, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombers, the mass murderers of Vitnam and Iraq, ...
zakzaloo 4 years ago
...the creators of Ben Laden and Taliban, the conglomerates and corporate west, intend to take over ME oil resources. To this end they would like to install puppets in all major oil producing countries including Iran so that they could freely suck our countries dry. Iran is a difficult country to occupy, so they would rather fund separatist and thugs to destabilise Iran. And I agree with you, we should stand united, but by united we don't allow interference in our internal affairs. ...
zakzaloo 4 years ago
The Swiss that you are so enthusiastically describe have taken care of funds belonging to many nasty regimes, individuals for decades including the Nazi Germany. I am sorry but we seem to be infatuated by all things western and I trace that back to Ataturk legacy. I come from a more ancient land that is proud of its many achievements and would like to resurrect and do them all over again and better.
zakzaloo 4 years ago
tabriz-baku birolsu, turk yasasn
turanogli 4 years ago
Türkleri Altaydan gelmeyibler - Azerbaijan ve Avrupa erazisinin autoxton xalqlaridir!!!!! Burada baxiram ki, bezileri eskimish , indi ise artiq görkemli tarixchiler ve turkologlar terefinden "altay teoriyasi" ( TEORIYASI !!!) adlandirilan bir ferziyyeni aksioma kimi qeleme verirler. Getsinler bir az daha oxusunlar.
yojik1982 4 years ago
vahahaha senin amına koyiyim. unutma ki şimdiye kdar turk dunyası senin gibilerin yedi sülalesini sikmiş. bundan sonra da sikecek
falcon1xy 4 years ago
Azerbaycan en eski uygarlukların beshiyidir ve Türk ırkını temsil eder.Dünya yaranandan beri Azerbaycan Azerbaycandır..Farslarsa Hindistandan gelmishler..Siktir olup dönsünler Hindistana!
shoshubaba 4 years ago
For great Azerbaijan...FUCK PKK AND ARMENİAN + PERSİANS FASHİZM..ALL ARİANS ARE THE SOLD..fUCK YOU ASS vAHAHA..Pkkının da amına koyayim senin de vahahaha!!!Azerbaycan İranda periadan daha buyuk anladınmı lan amcık?!
shoshubaba 5 years ago
AzerbayDZan degil, AzerbayCandir
Persians are donkeys, just look at their small heads and brown skin.
BostonEm 5 years ago
Ya bu provokatörlerin amına koyayım ben. PKK'dan farkı yok bunların. Gitsinler Altay'a, Sibirya'ya o zaman. Burası 4.000 senedir İRAN toprağıdır !!!
geysar, you also lick my balls.
vahahaha 5 years ago
samanmov99, you fucker, suck my dick!
geysar 5 years ago
Samanmov99,watch out your ass,don't be so hostile to donkeys,because donkeys have monstereous-huge DICKS.You don't want your ass to be torn apart,who knows may be you like sucking donkey dick? You are sick,very sick man !!!
dieinferiordogs 5 years ago
Cok gozel,dillerinize saglik.Allah her daim sizlerin yuzunuzu guldursun ,delikanli,yigit gardaslarim.Sizleri tarifsiz duygularla seviyoruz.Dogum buyuk olacak,bunlar dogum sancilari.Turk'un hakimiyetine az kaldi,gunes gibi dogacagiz cok cok yakinda...Kavusmamiza,vuslata ramak kaldi.
dieinferiordogs 5 years ago
Pkkanunda amına koyayim...Vahahahanın da zaza pichidir kesin
shoshubaba 5 years ago