WAR IS PEACE - Chapter III Part 1 George Orwell's '1984'

[g3rmz23]

Ha modern free society look up the ndaa dumbass

[TOMHYLE88]

"war is peace" just what I recall the prez claiming when the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Other video's comments are full of cops and cop lovers claiming that oppression is freedom. Anyone with the courage to stand up to oppression and abuse is labelled a coward. Anyone who stands up to the shock and awe is labelled a terrorist. Double speak. Constant observation. Disappearings by government. Torture. sycophantic Stockholm syndrome patriotism. hate of difference. Our world. It's all in 1984

[nerfmyaccount]

Reminder that Ronald Reagan literally ran on a platform of "Peace through Strength" and you idiots are trying to talk about 1984 and communism. You're the fucking proles in the book. Enjoy.

[Failcard]

Soviet Anthem

[nnlamb25]

How can you possible compare the things spoken in 1984 to things in this modern free society. The book was about a non-free society. You should re read it.

[ghfakar]

You people are all fools. Socialism, Fascism, half a dozen of one, 6 of the other. Two sides of the SAME DAMN COIN. There is NO discernable difference between either of these, NOT in a practical sense. When the government decides what portion of the money you earn is yours, what your profession shall be, where you can live and decides to become dadda and mama, your freedom is finished. If you are free, then YOU are responsible for your health, income etc. That is how the USA was meant to be

[cole3454657]

@ghfakar your an idiot. learn what those words mean. socialism, is putting an emphasis on nationalisation and the common good, COMMUNISM is this to the extreme. these 2 ideologies attempt to make everyone equal, its the basis of egalitarianism, while fascism is the complete opposite, the point of society is that inequality is emphasizied. they are opposite ideologies.

[ghfakar]

You people are all fools. Socialism, Fascism, half a dozen of one, 6 of the other. Two sides of the SAME DAMN COIN. There is NO discernable difference between either of these, NOT in a practical sense. When the government decides what portion of the money you earn is yours, what your profession shall be, where you can live and decides to become dadda and mama, your freedom is finished. If you are free, then YOU are responsible for your health, income etc.

[ghfakar]

You people are all fools. Socialism, Fascism, half a dozen of one, 6 of the other. Two sides of the SAME DAMN COIN. There is NO discernable difference between either of these, NOT in a practical sense. When the government decides what portion of the money you earn is yours, what your profession shall be, where you can live and decides to become dadda and mama, your freedom is finished. If you are free, then YOU are responsible for your health, income etc. That is how it was MEANT to be here> USA

[AryanKnight]

FYI: -there is nothing mystical about Geo.Orwell's book- "1984", --as it is a fact he socialized with these criminal-elite agents of Rothschild/Rockefeller's et'al Jew-Zionist Bank'sters, --and unlike patriots H.Ford, C.Lindbergh, St.Hitler, --whom tried to expose these jewZionist subversives, Orwell(Blair) simply wrote about their nearly completed sick-plan to enslave humanity via zealous control of all Banks (-his book is allowed because it dared not reveal the truth about the Jews)...!!!

[jamestargetedindiv]

Closely listen to a Pre-January the 8th of Inception dvd, particularly around,"Do It."

[Juanchonov1]

Both, communism and fascism condemn capitalism. When Orwell wrote the book que decides to use socialism cause that word used to refer to extremes. This is a book about totalitarism, but like all mortals, Orwell couldn´t swim against the daily mainstreams.

Not art, but very ilustrative and original.

Good words oceanicingsoc!

[marcotenshi]

There are also lots of things in 1984 that just aren't accurate but exist to make the 1984 world stand up:

-You cant control thoughts through language.

-Humans aren't infinitely malleable. We aren't blank slates.

-The monitoring in 1984 is beyond reasonable capabilities and creates a incompleteness paradox (you need more people to do the monitoring and then more people to monitor them). Not to mention the logic resources required for interpretation.

-Monoliths are inefficient.

[Suolperos]

@marcotenshi Very true. Especially the part about controlling thought with language. I think such a process would be working the other way around. It would be more likely that a given population would stop using a word over time because of lessened context to use it in.

[Suolperos]

@marcotenshi Like, let's say that over time speakers of Newspeak began associating the word "freedom" with the concept of slavery via the state motto. Humans are wired for language so the next gen might make a word like "unfreedom" to mean something like actual freedom.

Hell take a look at the shots in the new movie of closeups of newspapers showing Newspeak. It kinda reads like a pidgin. The next gen of speakers would turn that into a new creole and would essentially undo Newspeak's purpose.

[DickLodge68]

@marcotenshi Interesting thoughts but I disagree. Using language...if I say elephant, you already have an elephant in your mind. In a basic sense, I have altered your thought by a simple word. I believe humans can be "blank slates"...and that's the scary part. If I really wanted to, I could get you to hop on one foot for precisely three minutes...if I wanted to. I believe you fail to understand how vulnerable we can be. Through media, one can easily make you laugh or cry.

[marcotenshi]

@DickLodge68 You've only 'altered my thought' to the extent that I have thought about the thing you mentioned. Thats just imparting knowledge. Neuroscience is a lot more advanced than when the book was written. In 1984 the content of language itself is limited in order to make it impossible to *do* thoughtcrimes. That has no basis in fact. In fact the facts contradict it. The very idea controlling language (as someone else already pointed out) is nonsense too.

[DickLodge68]

@marcotenshi First up, I had no intention of altering your thoughts. The "mindset" is absolutely influenced through language. I see and hear it every day on television! Almost every moment is garnered and embellish your though process. For example..."illegal aliens" are "undocumented workers". I don't mean to get political, but it's an attempt to change your though on the issue. More than 4,000 troops have dies in Iraq...well over 6,000 troops died on D-Day. See my point?

[marcotenshi]

@DickLodge68 "it's an attempt to change your though on the issue." Calling someone an "illegal alien" is definitely using specific language to give a specific impression (more of a play on emotion though). Sure. But the point is that eliminating the words necessary to call "illegal aliens" anything else wouldn't eliminate the ability to *think* of them differently. If you did that all you'd do is cause people to perceive the phrase "illegal alien" differently. There are lots of similar examples.

[DickLodge68]

@marcotenshi You said, "But the point is that eliminating the words necessary to call "illegal aliens" anything else wouldn't eliminate the ability to *think* of them differently. If you did that all you'd do is cause people to perceive the phrase "illegal alien" differently

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Isn't that what we are talking about? How different is perception from one's thought process. You just proved my point!

marcotenshi 15 minutes ago

[marcotenshi]

@DickLodge68 No because I used perception and think to refer to the same thing. People from France are called 'The French'. If someone deleted the word "french" from our language and required everyone to refer to the french as "the criminals" that wouldnt achieve everyone being force to think French people are criminals. We have a perception of a thing, and a word to describe the thing. They are separate. After a time the phrase "the criminals" would simply mean what "the french" used to. 

[marcotenshi]

@marcotenshi Unless you had some consistent way to make people think that french people are criminals, but that would alter the perception directly and thered be no need to make us use a different word. If you could consistently amke people think the french are criminals you wouldnt need to replace the phrase "the french" with the phrase "the criminals".

[DickLodge68]

@marcotenshi Again you proved my point. "Illegal Aliens" has been replaced by "Undocumented Workers". In reality, that is the same thing. But the words alone have changed your perception. "French" compared with "criminals" to to far off the path here. But an "alien" compared to a "worker" holds merit. Don't lose the train of thought here!

[marcotenshi]

@DickLodge68 The 'french' thing is just supposed to be an exaggerated example. What you're saying (and what is said in 1984) is that if we had an issue with people perceiving migrant workers as non-human (a fairly realistic problem: dehumanisation) that banning the word 'alien'... hell, lets go the whole hog, lets make it illegal to refer to a migrant worker as anything other than 'human migrant worker'... that would stop people dehumanising migrant workers? No empirical evidence backs that.

[marcotenshi]

@DickLodge68 Its just not how the brain works. The brain works using a language that is conceptually totally different to spoken language. People who never acquired language can still form abstract representational thoughts. That alone blows the whole idea out of the water.

[marcotenshi]

@DickLodge68 "Again you proved my point. "Illegal Aliens" has been replaced by "Undocumented Workers"."

Also "illegal aliens" and "undocumented workers" dont mean the same thing. They both refer to different aspects of those people. They're just the choice to refer to someone by a different feature. Like "the girl with red hair" versus "the girl with green eyes". The concept of the girl is untouched and separate.

[DickLodge68]

@marcotenshi This is simply not true. A undocumented worker has no legal right to live or work in the country. Hence, illegal alien. The reason the PC crowd and the media use the phrase undocumented worker is because they either want to decriminalize the action or are afraid of offending someone. Black people are now African Americans. Someone found offense is "black". Well hell, I'm offended by white and want to be known as an Irish-Germanic American! Ridiculous!

[marcotenshi]

@DickLodge68 "This is simply not true." Eh? "Illegal alien" and "undocumented worker" clearly refer to different aspects of the individual. People being offended has nothing to do with this topic. The central idea is bollocks. The mental concept that those *can* refer to is entirely separate from the phrases. Simple.

[marcotenshi]

@marcotenshi Calling people "illegal aliens" or "evil invaders" only 'effects our cognition' to the extant that it provides us with information about them. Thats what language does. Someone tells you that a person is evil, you think they're evil. That doesn't mean that making it illegal to say "evil invader" would make it impossible (or even dent) your ability to think of them as evil.

[DickLodge68]

@marcotenshi Ignorance must be you Strength! 20 years ago know one ever heard of an "undocumented worker" but they sure in hell heard of an illegal alien! It's a phrase that was contrived simply not to offend people, whether they didn't like or "illegal" or "alien" or both. You don't have a homepage so I don't know your age. But you might want to do a little research and learn something instead of using your ideals as simple "facts"..

[marcotenshi]

@DickLodge68 Im not having a discussion about esoteric etymology. Im having trying to have a discussion about how brains work. And it IS A FACT that linguistic semantics and abstract cognition are separate. The concept in your head for a thing, and what word you use to describe that thing are separate. I dont know how i can make it clearer. And as Ive said, if you care to youll find studies (which are rare) that show ferrel children, without language, can do abstract representational cognition.

[marcotenshi]

@DickLodge68 The book says explicitly, and is based on the idea that, you can constrict what words people can use in order to *restrict* what they can think. Not bias their opinions... STOP them thinking something. The conclusion of that idea is that if you stop someone attaining language, you would severely limit there ability to think in abstract representations. That is empirically false. Not having the language of 'thought crimes' wouldnt stop you being able to do thought crimes.

[DickLodge68]

@marcotenshi I'm not talking about what the book says verbatim. Honestly, I care more about how language is used in modern society to influence people. Hence...the Politically Correct crowd! Going back to my earlier post....if someone says "illegal alien" then others think of a bad connotation. Where as "undocumented worker" is much more friendly, isn't it? That is my point... agree...disagree...whatever. I think you simply like to argue and obviously haven't the ability to see otherwise.

[marcotenshi]

First: we are VERY MUCH NOT in a situation where superpowers cannot be harmed by individuals. Our current problems are almost all to do with what 1 small group of nutters can do.

Second: Science progress is exponential (and often sited as a problem by sciencephobes).

Third: The internet exists as an expression of human nature and our innate need to communicate. Information is now entirely decentralised and cannot be controlled by anyone. In fact the FREEDOM of information is the problem!

[marcotenshi]

All confirmation bias. You're seeing what you want to see. There are as many, if not more things that are nothing like 1984 about the world today.

"The nature of war has changed" - followed by a pic of a modern jet? Gimme a break.

The president of USA points out that we have to prepared to do difficult things to achieve peace...therefor war is peace? Please. Grow up. If Orwell was wrong then peace would be achievable without any sacrifice?

[BiP0larBear23]

I <3 Big Brotha.

[marko0430]

We are all being lied too. This war on terror can never end until the Islamic dark age is passed. Your worth as a human being is already shackled to your economic value , there are lots of derogatory names to bestow upon others who stand outside the rhetoric you accept. You are used as a political pawn & you are part of the machine, like it or not. Others have made that choice for you. We are the dead.

[luiggighetti46]

the brazilian politicians, then, are making a nation of alienated idiots, a brand new but much smaller Oceania. Heil Dilma Rousseff!

[luiggighetti46]

even start my own business because i'll be bankrupt in months, thanks to the fact that 40% of my earnings have to go back to the government as taxmoney. 40-fucking-%!!!!!so we from the outside of the u.s. read your country's news everyday and from what we can tell the crisis isn't obama's fault, it's bush's. so my nation, which could be a real superpower and help you guys with the crisis is being governed by corrupt idiots who want to perpetuate themselves and their party in politics.

[luiggighetti46]

some here talk badly about obama, but please, i'm not trying to create any conflct, just trying to say that compared to luiz inacio lula and dilma rousseff, obama is a real saint. dilma is the current president of brazil, just like lula was from 2002 to 2010(you can tell now where i was born), and I say they have done more harm to my nation than any other president whose been in office. they have alienated my nation into thinking the history of brazil began in 2002, and now i can't

[televisionforfree]

Aspects of war and politics will be presented on my blog, as well as other issues as important. wakeuplikealion(dot)wordpress(­dot)com

[TFSTrader]

The only factor Orwell missed is FOOD scarcity...hence China (and others) buying vast amounts of farmland in Africa ans in SOUTH America (expanding its "sphere" into ours...conflict may yet exceed the "accepted" boundaries and a new realignment may happen...?

[MarcusCMarcellus]

What's great about Orwell's analysis is that Africa simply does not matter. And in fact, Africa is essentially outside of history.

[Noodles37UK]

The uploader doesn't approve of free speech. I think they have an eye on the cameras...

[Montops]

This is really just communism to the extreme. This is by no means NORMAL socialism.

[OceanicIngsoc]

@Montops So what is 'socialism', especially when you CAPITALIZE the word "NORMAL socialism"' to SHOUT DOWN Critical Perspective views of it ...? Isn't it just normal capitalism or National Socialism ...?

[Montops]

@OceanicIngsoc This is the socialism that Stalin created. This form of socialism is closer to fascism. The NORMAL socialism I am referring to is the seen at the start of the Russian Revolution and in the Communist Manifesto. The socialism seen here is like the one in the Soviet Union, like I mentioned before. Read Animal Farm and you will see that the animals couldn't make out who was who, the people and the pigs.

[OceanicIngsoc]

@Montops ...And of course Orwell was a democratic socialist who sold out his left-wing mates. Revolutionary period more correctly called: Bolshevism - not socialism...

[Montops]

@OceanicIngsoc What does Orwell selling out his "left-wing mates" have anything to do with our argument? All that I am saying is that socialism is, by definition, a down-graded form of communism, in essence. The NORMAL socialism I am referring to can be seen working at this very moment in Sweden. AB-NORMAL socialism is communism. Big difference. And shut up wether the Bolshevik movement was Socialist or Bolshevist.

[tmmcphex]

@OceanicIngsoc Eric Arthur Blair fully supported democratic socialism, in 1984 the regime is really totalitarian, but pretending to be, or stemmed from socialism

[rpifb18]

@Montops Those who still advance socialism, and communism, as a large scale reality frequently ignore Marx' belief in the dictatorship of the proletariat. That dictatorship and it's interaction with human nature is the reason why communism has not and likely will not advance past it's fascist stage. True diversity will prevent large scale ideological homogeneity, and this is something nature will applaud.

[rpifb18]

@rpifb18 *its (2X)!

[rimfa123]

@Montops I support your efforts at trying to educate this man that clearly knows nothing about leftist philosophy, but the chances are, he's white, middle class and American, probably been brainwashed from the time he was a baby to hate anything that doesn't perpetuate the system that exists for selfish, avaricious people like him.

[Montops]

@rimfa123 I appreciate your support, comrade!

[SokratesNamon]

@Montops

there is never just "a little" cancer..only cancer or no cancer.

there is no Normal Socialism. it always leads to more socialism. Trust me, I am from Europe.

[Suolperos]

@Montops Not even - Communism itself is the facade. Oceania poses as a Communistic society, and I would assume that Eurasia and East Asia pose as societies whose ideals all appear to oppose each other. But really, it's all part of a one-world Oligarchy. Have you ever heard of the Iron Law of Oligarchy? It basically states that all societies, regardless of how they were founded under or ideals they espouse, will always become Oligarchies, given enough time. Controversial idea, but interesting.

[Montops]

@Suolperos Yes, I have heard of the Iron Law of Oligarchy. All that I was saying is that Ingsoc stands for "English Socialism". Notice the "socialism" part. By definition, socialism is a down-graded form of communism, where the citizens are more free to do business and such. Socialism can be seen actually working right at this very moment in Sweden, and working not so well in America under the Obama administration. I recognize that at the inception of Ingsoc, it might have been socialist.

[marius4iasi]

Seriously, everything in 1984 screams of communism, stalinism in particular. Even the description of BB matches that of Stalin. 1984 is not happening, will not happen, but it already happen. It was called the Cold War, and all the Winston Smiths lived in Eastern Europe. Everything in this book so perfectly describes the communist regimes. This is not about interpretations and such, but literally, there were regimes in the world exactly the same as BB. History falsified, people dissapearing, etc

[Wolfen443]

@marius4iasi, the issues regarding 1984 are not wether it trepresents something taht already6 passed, is happening, or might happen again. Is it the fact that totalitarian were & are still succesful today that gives meaning to the film as a permanent warning.

[movieman1199]

I love 1984, but some people are idiots. Anything that has to do with 1984 on youtube has comments saying that this is the state of the world today, and I assure it is not. We have freedom, that means of thought, press, right to bear arms, petition, speech, religion, among other things. We can say whatever we want about out government and it's leaders, so please stop talking as if America is a totalitarian government.

[OceanicIngsoc]

@movieman1199 To demonstrate your lack of rights, we have just blocked you. Feel free? We ourselves have been banned, hacked and had our subs wiped by YouTube. Feel free? Have you considered that your pathetic diatribes are not worth banning or being eavesdropped upon by the government, Prole? Feel free?

[OceanicIngsoc]

@movieman1199 Did 1984 happen? Look no further than our fallen comrade and exposer of Iran-Contra, Gary Webb, suicided by the CIA with TWO gunshots to the head. See the well-known NBC report, 'A Crack in the Story' on this site. We do not forget our fallen Resistance members. We at the DRF remember and salute you, Gary Webb...

[BONOBOS48]

@OceanicIngsoc Or Paul Wellstone or Hale Boggs or John Tower et;al.

[OceanicIngsoc]

@movieman1199 Remember, Winston Smith (like ourselves and Webb) is a journalist. "...there are those thought criminals who maintain that the Resistance is not real ... Believe me, Winston: it is very real..."

[treetray100]

@movieman1199 I can't explain it all in 500 characters, but google zeitgeist and watch the 2007 movie. Let me know if you still think the same after you- watch it.

[fran86beta]

@movieman1199 Really ? So wha´t is all that censor with wikileaks ?

[OceanicIngsoc]

@fran86beta We fixed Assange accuser, Ms. Anna Ardin, good and proper - she'll be working in McDonalds now. "...there are those thought criminals who maintain that the Resistance is not real ... Believe me, Winston: it is very real..."



[rentintin2000]

"When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

[bloximonkey]

I didn't read it because it's soooo long and boring.

[OceanicIngsoc]

@bloximonkey Correction: you didn't read it because you are so stupid and purile, evidenced by your comment and the station you occupy in the System, Prole...

[VvAnarchangelvV]

Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. – ‘Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.’ – Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever

[OceanicIngsoc]

@VvAnarchangelvV Luther was a violent anti-Semite who laid the way for the Nazi and the Holocaust...

[SSTTEEAALLTTHH]

@VvAnarchangelvV

Don't compare Jesus or Luther to men like Galileo. Galileo sought after reason and logic, Jesus and Luther story-telling and superstition.

[VvAnarchangelvV]

took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

Self-Reliance

Ralph Waldo Emerson

Ralph is not the only person who finds that in the union of opposites lies wisdom. Buddhist Koans and Chinese proverbs and the I Ching and in fact any rhetorical speaker tell truths quickly that might otherwise take many hours to explain fully.

Anyone with fingers can copy-paste a quote & fancy that they understand it, when in fact they only understand the words, but not the meaning and the larger significance

[OceanicIngsoc]

BTW all you pseudo-intellectuals: for all that complained about the sound track for whatever reason thus far presented – the fact that less than one eighth of you stuck around for the final instalment of ‘Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism’ demonstrates overriding and gross political and literary LAZINESS AND INCOMPETENCE on all your behalves...

[VvAnarchangelvV]

@OceanicIngsoc Wrong. It is simple self-preservation. I have a hardy constitution and great staying power, so Orwell's odious and erroneous droning and drooling inconsistencies, his ignoring of the aspects of human nature that glaringly refuse to fit his depressing & libellous mould no matter how relentlessly or long he beats them down, pass away from me like water off of a duck's back. Humankind shall seek a better day, and Orwell's fearmongering will not stand in its way

[OceanicIngsoc]

@VvAnarchangelvV Try practicing anarchism as long as the DRF has before declaring us wrong, new fish...

[OceanicIngsoc]

"...there are those thought-criminals who maintain the Resistance is not real ... Believe me, Winston: it is very real ..."

[OceanicIngsoc]

THE DRF STRONGLY SUGGESTS YOU CUNTS WATCH THE ATTACHED VIDEO OF OURS ... OUR TURN ....

[finalturismo]

insanity 

[JibaroTruth]

True to the massage in 1984 is that you cannot love the party. Instead be independent and vigilant about preserving your freedom and liberties because as bad as Oceania so are Eurasia and East-Asia . So to all my American brother and sisters, we need to stop defending the party. I don’t have the power to take anything away from you. Only big brother does.

[LostFREEDOM]

America 2010 Life is much like this

[aperkausn]

Background music- National Anthem of the Soviet Union. Nice Touch.

[FoShoYo008]

two minutes o' hate a day keeps big brother away

[ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz]

@chikechild oh yes it was. Famines were widespread, state terrorism was conducted by the soviet gov. to keep it's citizens in check, stalin was their big brother with his own cult of personality, it was a totalitarian state where freedoms were non-existent, etc. 1984 also refers to ww2 and the great depression. How perpetual war keep the masses at bay and how wealth generated by technology is destroyed through warfare, rather than distributed evenly among society. It's a great novel.

[ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz]

@chikechild because the novel was an allegory for what orwell saw the soviet union was.

[deadkennedys555]

@Tomy0791 Again, 18th and 19th century scientific thinkers were contemplating this 'end of resources'. A good example is Thomas Malthus (17661834) who coined the Malthusian Disaster, Crisis, Check or Nightmare where civilizations would consume all their resources and crash to a subsistence level. It is similar to the Iron Law of Wages...

[Tomy0791]

@deadkennedys555 okay... well thanks cause in our history lesson nobody tells us about them... i will inform myself thanks again

[Tomy0791]

One day the war would end cuase there will be no more resources. But Orwell couldn't know this cause nobody thought about that possibility in the 40's and 50's

[johnwrogers]

Obama is a slick puppet, something that Bush was not. Obama words his actual meanings in code just like JoeQuark just exampled. Bush said things directly. Obama has a silk glove over the iron fist while Bush was just the iron fist.

[7zakaria7]

You idiot since when was "PEACEFUL" war is never peaceful.

war MEANS more money e.g oil in Iraq and war is used to extract

that oil and sell it .ALSO rights freedoms and liberty are are taken

away e.g war on terror 9/11 your house can be searched WITHOUT

A WARRANT.

[oneirishpoet]

@OECV unforunately most of this is true today...the elites rule and use propoganda and military force to get what they want...killing many, many people to get their oil/ gold/ diamonds, etc. is not a problem for them because they pay other people to do their dirty work while they enjoy the good life behind gated communities, yachts, country clubs etc.

[oneirishpoet]

yo dude, calm the fuck down would ya...and try spell check if you don't know you're english very well...no one can understand WTF you're trying to say anyway!

[SmokePropaganda]

one can see parallells between 1984 and our own society that is ran by Bankers, and not elected officials representing the voices of the people.

[fntime]

The bankers must go!

[SmokePropaganda]

id lock the fuckers in a pillory and let all the people they ripped off (which is all of us) and toss garbage at them. 

pelt them with coins since thats the only thing they give a fuck about, money.

[blaziermissy]

Venus project (dot) com for the world we ALL deserve

[glassman18352]

What the fuck, man!

[cosmicbuddha24]

Continued: This is clearly expressed in the novel itself. It appears as Emmanuel Goldstein's book 'The theory and practice of Oligarchical Collectivism' ... this postulates a society based not on communism but ummm oligarchy :) Communism aims to eradicate class division, it is based on Marxist theory and oligarchical collectivism is an ideology which attempts to reproduce and perpetuate class division... which is contrary to Marx. It's pretty clear. Read about it ;)

[globalchaos1984]

@malayneum 1984 is story about communism IDIOT!

[cosmicbuddha24]

@globalchaos1984 - The notion that 1984 is simply a story about communism is not only a gross over simplification of Orwell's intended meaning, it is also represents a misunderstanding of the man himself. 1984 is more specifically a story about totalitarian oligarchy by a ruling elite. In the story communist ideas are twisted in order to perpetuate the social class structure ad infinitum :) George Orwell was a socialist you IDIOT!!

[Creibold]

I didn't know Frank Muller did an audio version of this book....

[soyungatomontes]

videogamernubZ

Eres un ingorante.

[videogamernubZ]

la tuya buey

[Spaceparanoid42]

Holy crap! The ending scared me! The music cutting out, and the Ingsoc symbol appearing to the sound of sirens. It's like the thought police caught me watching this, and now they're coming for me!

[videogamernubZ]

is this the part of 1984 where winston reads "the book" man i remember that everyone in my class skiped that part because it was too boring and pointless....HA! think about it....your reading a book, where they are reading a book! its a book in a book!...soo weird! XD

[levogiro]

talking about doublethink... this is not double, nor single... this is plainly nonthink.. xD

[soyungatomontes]

@videogamernubZ Judging by your post, I assume you haven´t read much in your life. And that is not something to be proud of.

[lumpagogo]

No, Tarqi, Orwell gave us the mechanical drawing of what we see today: a linear pattern of Doublethink and drumbeating for war and simultaneous minor casualties--see Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somolia, the Sudan, Chechnya, Moslem 'unrest' in China, et al.

The Big Three of 1984 were never meant as literal superstates. Just listen to Obama, Brown, Khadafy and Ahmadinejad----Big Brothers to the max.

[k9thru12]

The puppets need to go back to

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School

Political education is scarce in Oceania

[Imthemaster22]

Orwell is not god or prophet. He just did his home work!

[lumpagogo]

Yup:

U.S. + E/U --Greater Spain/Latin America, Canada, Australia, NZ, Japan

Semi-Unified Islam (1.6,000,000,000+ individs)

Russia--China--India--

Africa is still nothing but a source of goods.

Big Islam, esp. Iran is the new faux-enemy, having replaced the USSR. 'Peace is (limited) War'. (Very limited) Death-by-Terror is working per blueprint to ensure continuation of the madness-as-genius status quo. Orwell saw it all. Every day is April Fool's.

[k9thru12]

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[joeQuark]

War is peace

Ignorance is strength

Freedom is Slavery

"waging wars so that we might know peace,

braving hardship so that we might know opportunity,

and sometimes paying the ultimate price so that, so that we might know freedom"

- Barak Houssein Obam

July 4, 2009

[andr0oS]

@joeQuark Yes, that is the foundation of American freedoms, the dead who waged war against the English and their compatriots.

[windrose94]

@joeQuark Essay made, thanks.

[KhemAndKurami]

@joeQuark Wow, nice man

[MegaBlackk1d]

@joeQuark yeah i dont like obama either he ruined america. Bush was good but not the patriot act

[fastLupus]

Sounds like a realy tricky way of self suggestion and manipulation. I salute you, well done.

[minilief]

there is an escape:)

[grahamkeithtodd]

old george orwell knew what was going to happen all too well...

history has proved him RIGHT!

[AlbertoLiebe]

So true, and so sad...

[americanpolitic1]

What's really scary is how true this is, despite the collapse of Eurasia around 1990. Now its coming back.

[Kungfaux88]

How on earth is this scarily true?

[americanpolitic1]

Orwell died in 1949, yet he talks about the "upheaval of the sixties" and other things. He did make mistakes with other points. Have you read the book?

[MCMOOGIE]

1984 is set in a dystopian FUTURE. It's not certain why he chose that title but he wrote the book in 1948 & may have been implying by 'flipping' 48 to 84, that although this novel was in the future it COULD happen sooner - if people were not vigilant to guard their freedoms. I've read the book several times, the first time in "the sixties" as a matter of fact. Sadly it always seems relevant. To answer your comment about "upheaval in the sixties" was a literary prediction, not a mistake.

[americanpolitic1]

Good prediction!

[flumoxed38]

@MCMOOGIE Never more relevant than it is today and in the not so distant future!!

[MCMOOGIE]

@flumoxed38 Very true. Sadly while scanning some of the comments I can see why it's so hard to sustain a lasting peace. People are so angry and sometimes they don't care who the target of their anger is.

[WizzRacing]

The rights of the One "Goverment", Take's away from the rights of the Many to keep power. No longer do you have one vote, one person. but rather courts decide now that the Bill Of Rights is of no concern. The right of the Goverment trump's them!!!

[luvupokes]

Down with the Goldstein Republicans; save us Barack, we love you, Big Brother.

[MegaBlackk1d]

@luvupokes Obama is a horrible president, and how could you like big brother if they control your thoughts and feelings and the way you live. hope your just kidding.

[woodmicster]

I think the fact that there is visual evidence playing helps you percieve that it is true. However what context is the video from?