OK, I admit it, you got me, I'm an opus dei albino monk assassin Jesuit witch hunter from the knights of Malta. I'm here to terrorize the people from the shadows and kick puppies down stairs. All your paranoid fantasies are true, even if they don't make sense. you are so smart for having figured me out, you deserve a prize. when my secret monk militia takes over the world you may live, how about that? No? Oh well, I'd love to stay and chat but the world won't take over itself you know. bye bye!
Chick already was banned in 25 countries given the rest of his content he was taking no risk. Jack believed and still believes what Rivera said was true because it ties into his conspiracy theories. all Mr Rivera did was tell him what he wanted to hear, he conned him. jack found him credible because he heard what he wanted to hear and did not bother to check his sources. people like jack chick care less for the facts and more on their agenda and won't let details like research get in the way.
@DetectiveThursday "Chick already was banned in 25 countries given the rest of his content he was taking no risk.."
Right! Now, have you ever thought of publications against any Evangelical Church that can be or have ever been banned in any country? Why? Because we don't have any worldly power over any government or business. Yours has that power because it is a world power, a worldly kingdom. A clever system which is absolutely authoritive & totally controlling...
@DetectiveThursday They bark, & the world bows! Exactly what Rivera said. So do you expect Jack NOT to believe him? I just wonder, did Rivera sit down somewhere & formed a big story against the Catholic Church, looked for someone who would believe him, conned him (how? God knows) & that was it? A small question, did reporters ever tempted to e.g. investage the strangled babies theories in Spain & proved false, after all the year was given by River when Govt of Spain..
@bulyabalive I fully expect jack to believe him, and I'm sure Alberto was thinking the same when he was preparing his book deal. I'm sorry, I have no more time for ridiculous games. if you have any legitimate claim to make,you have the burden of proof for your view. Your evidence and it's lack of reliability. you have the onus now to present your case with something substantial. if you choose to continue to believe the conspiracy theories that is your business but please do so elsewhere.
@DetectiveThursday ..carried out investigations. Did Christian Today ever attempted to make that move to at least find such a simple thing for a reporter? No, but it found out bad check writings, closed A/cs, charges of a history of legal entanglements & court actions without specifics regarding complaints or police records! What about other former priests who testifies of almost similar things. Alberto just happen to have gone too deep. It is a miracle he lived to tell.
@bulyabalive you do know Alberto Rivera was exposed as a fraud 30 years ago. BY AN EVANGELICAL PROTESTANT please refer to the following articles "The Alberto Story," Cornerstone, vol. 9, no. 53, 1981, pp. 29-31. and Christianity Today, March 13, 1981.
@DetectiveThursday I read all of them, & it is amazing. Alberto's story remains intact. It is the man who is attacked in both magazines but not his story. His story is not even "investigated" by anyone these people. No. He is attacked in way to make people NOT believe him. An old dirty game.
@bulyabalive so despite the fact he's had warrants for his arrest involving check fraud, credit card theft, and charity fraud, that his claims of leaving the church shifted from 1952 to 1967, that he admitted to receiving his degrees from a diploma mill, that the church denies Mr. Rivera ever was a Jesuit, that he doesn't have a sister named maria who was a nun. and that his historical accounts are entirely off base, that you find him to be an entirely credible witness? How utterly unreasonable!
@DetectiveThursday Yes despite the "facts" because these "facts" have a lot of missing information since they are meant to present one side. Reporter are supposed to investigate & write stories to conclusions, not stopping half way! E.g. the allegations of police record, investment schemes, bad cheque-writing, fabricated education record, family abuse, etc all fall sort of any Court record location, dates, case numbers & charges filed, whether or not arrest was made & final outcome! Cont/
@DetectiveThursday Critics comment that "we are told that a minister of The Church of God of Prophecy had experienced embarrassment when Rivera allegeld had written a cheque on an already closed account.' The forget to mention location of the minister, of the banks concerned, of the locality of the airline desk complaining, whether the writers had ever seen a copy of the cheque, etc. They give a name, which can be any name, & nothing else!
@Detective Thursday In his comic Alberto, River reveals he went into the Seminary at the age of 7 in 1942. How could he have left the "Church" in 1952 at the age of 17???? And of course the what do you expect the RCC to say? That Alberto was telling the truth about them & their Jesuitical practices? Give me a break!
@bulyabalive I'll be honest, all of the supporters of Mr. Rivera I have ever encountered are willing to accept his story because it fits in with the wild eyed conspiracy theories. and from dealing with conspiracy theorists in my life I have come to the conclusion there is nothing I can say, no matter how perfectly logical that will convince them otherwise as conspiracy theorists are firmly in denial. Instead I rest my case having proved my point, may God give you eyes to see and ears to hear.
@DetectiveThursday I too will be honest. We are watching with interest what is happening to Churches like Church of England who gave RCC a just a piece & now are loosing the whole thing. Alberto warned about economic depression that will come, & indeed it happened. We have "Protestants" ministers "going back to maama Church", most are highly educated & they "read" their way to Rome, etc. Who is really fooling who? My question is, what would Alberto have gained in inventing such a story?
@bulyabalive the Church of England approached Rome 20 years before Anglicanorum Coetibus, and even further back was the Oxford movement in the 1830's which also was formed within the church of England. The church of England is in internal schism not from external pressure from the Catholic church, but from interior pressures between high church and low church Anglicans and Episcopals. let me pose you a question: If God is truth, how is it that you pose faith and right reason are incompatible?
@bulyabalive The Jesuit Extreme Oath Of Induction is a widely known fake. Rivera used it in his writings because a copy of it exists in the library of congress under congressional records. it lent him a veneer of credibility, but no scholar of any religious background ever considered it genuine. it is a fake created out of malice when Thomas S. Butler (Protestant republican) lost to Eugene C Bonniwell (Catholic democrat) and he submitted this oath as "proof" that his opponent was untrustworthy.
@DetectiveThursday Oh come on! Does Congress libraries keep fake things? Where did the library got it from & where did it originate from to find its way in a place like Congress library? You mean Thomas S. Butler is a the source? He is surely very imaginative, if he is! And what did the oath had to do with Eugene Bonniwell unless perhaps Butler knew he was Jesuit! This is becoming interesting.
@bulyabalive the congressional record is merely a recording of any and all material that is covered in a congressional session, just like in a court transcription there is no guarantee of the veracity of what is written, only that it is written as it was given. it is preserved like other congressional records for historical and archival purposes. regarding the politics, up until the election of kennedy there was often transparent bias against catholic politicians from both parties.
@bulyabalive incidentally, T. L. Eyre, owner of a local newspaper and associate of Thomas s butler is often credited as the source as his was the first and only publisher. both men were opposed to Bonniwell politically and religiously, and though the constitution cannot prohibit his opponent to engaging in a religious test for office and thus no catholic can be prohibited from running, he could create a libelous tract, associate it with him and attempt to sink his political opponent. that's it.
@DetectiveThursday The oath did not originate from Butler, and YOU KNOW IT. If you don't it is just like all romanists. you will rather look the other way hoping it will magically disappear. We are not all stupid.
@bulyabalive also, Mr Rivera has a lot to gain from making up a story, Jack Chick certainly gave him a lot of time, fame and money for his trouble, what more could a confidence man ask for?
@DetectiveThursday With the risk of banning all his publications in the countries? I doubt whether that was a very smart business move for Jack Chick. He achieved just the opposite (maybe after frevent intercession on RCC part), don't you think?
@bulyabalive as I said before, there's nothing i can say that would appease conspiracy theorists such as yourself. please spare me my wasted time and spare yourself further embarrassment and stop this madness. I say this with real concern for you, you need serious help.
@DetectiveThursday Then why waste your time? Do you expect me to just agree with you like a robot when you don't provide concrete evidence proving what I came to learn is false? What if the conspiracy is really true & is revealed? I know you love & are loyal to your Church, but what would you do inf your read such a Oath & its against your Church? What about the evidence of power control in business where these people have shares & influence? Are all fabricated? Come on!
We are saved by faith alone that sanctifies. That's the only kind of faith that saves us. If we had that true faith, that faith alone will bring us to our knees in repentance. If a Protestant or anyone else exhibits no good works (holiness) then that person can be assured that he/she has no faith that saves him/her.
The Secret Instructions were first discovered during the 30 Years' War when the Duke of Brunswick plundered the Jesuit's college at Paderborn in Westphalia and made a present of their library to the Capuchins of the same town. Soon after reprints and translations appeared all over Europe.
@bradleesargent You don't like the way the Holy Spirit translated it? Until you prove otherwize, I'll assume the Holy Spirit is smarter than you are. And certainly much smarter than an amillennialist who can't get the meaning in English (Strong).
Does Jack Chick hate Catholics? Quite the opposite. In the mid-1970' when he first began to understand what Roman Catholicism really teaches, he knew it was unscriptural. He also knew that to speak out against it would be unpopular and hurt his publishing company. After much prayer, he made the decision that, no matter what it cost him personally, he would publish the truth that Roman Catholicism is not Christian.
@noNEEDtoKNEEL Do you have any clue as to the word λειτουργέω? It is used in Hebrews 10:11, but also used when Acts 13:2 when Paul was sent to the Gentiles. It is strongs 3008 which is the word liturgy.
Let the Apostol Paul clarify your doctrinal question about salvation by Faith alone or by works: Eph 2:8-9 8) For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Gal 1:6-7 (6) I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: (7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
@noNEEDtoKNEEL If you want to understand, purchase the book "Jesus and The Jewish Roots of the Eucharist". When the messiah would come, it was expected by all Jews that he would reintroduce the manna from heaven to become available for everyone just as it was during Moses time in the Old Testament.
@noNEEDtoKNEEL So why did Jesus have the last supper then??? Please explain your reasons in detail. If there's no need for the last supper then why would Jesus institute it??? I don't understand why if Jesus institutes the Last Supper why you say it's not valid. Also, if you have any idea about the greek, then you need to understand how the word "in rememberance" IS ALWAYS USED WITH SACRIFICE!!!
@noNEEDtoKNEEL I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
@noNEEDtoKNEEL John 6:53 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
The Protestant revolt was the most catastrophic event in history. Hundreds of millions of souls were and are bound for hell because of it. They're raining into hell like snowflakes. The next most catastrophic event was World War III, otherwise known as the Second Vatican Council. Because of its Protestantization of the Church, many more are hellbound. Truly, the floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.
Does anybody know why Hitler was never ex-communicated? Wasn't he a Catholc all his life? There are pictures of him getting along with cardinals in the book "SMOKESCREENS." (can be googled and read on-line. Or, just look at the pictures)
PETER
I was never a blasphemous pope and I was never even in ROME! They found my grave in Jerusalem a long time ago.
PAUL
Look for BEREANbeacon and EXCATHOLICS on-line or on youtube
@cultrefuter32 Peter's bones were found in Rome. Go to catholic.com and search "Peter's bones" and click on the article about Peter being in Rome if you're interested.
Also, if you're interested in reaching people, you should try to provide more dispassionate sources than Bereanbeacon and excatholics. They clearly have an anti-Catholic agenda. Someone who looks at the issues dispassionately will get your point across much better. God bless.
I am a Evangelical protestant who is considering conversion to Orthodoxy. The cure to evangelical american christianity is studying church history, that simple.
This man thought about it and decided Catholicism was for him. I respect anyone's right to make the right decision for them. Once people start screaming, shouting and are abusive I switch off and I would not want to belong to their religion. I'm Catholic and I'm very comfortable with that and that is my choice. I read about all types of religion but I truly believe Catholicism is true.
@barrypatrickius - you appear to have a lot of hate inside. I'm a Catholic and am happy you've found Jesus in your life but you don't appear to practice His teaching. I'll keep you in my prayers.
@chase82 The psalms say " I love thy word, therefore I hate every false way"(The Roman Catholic Church being one of them)- the church as in the institution, not ndividual catholics whom I love and pray for that they find their way out of that false, satanic system and get their souls saved and go to heaven.
the HATE displayed by those who wrote against the Holy Church are so clear and there is no chance at all of not feeling it. let us pray that they have peace and both the initiative and capacity to search for the truth and not settle with hateful propaganda they obviously have gotten.
I DID learn catholic church doctrine, THAT was the problem:; I learned a bastardized form of Christianity which was mixed with superstition and Roman Empire PAGANISM!!!!!!!!
@barrypatrickius I am sorry but you are not being honest with yourself. I hope you looked up the scriptures in my last comment. Every day ask Our Lord and His Mother to lead you to the fullness of the Truth, and if you are honest with yourself I guarantee you, you will end up in the Catholic Church. God Bless!!!
@nacepf With respect, I don't think it is as simple as just asking Our Lord if the RCC is true and expecting an affirmative answer. The Mormons, the Muslims, etc., ad infinitum, say exactly the same thing and some people sincerely seem to believe that they have received an affirmative answer, one that would negate your own exorteric beliefs.
@bayreuth79 Not definitive answers exist thats wghy it is faith but any other faith are false they may have similar sentimets in relation to being kind or many things like that but that doesn't mean they are inspired by God. Frankly Islam can be refuted by looking at the Qur'an. It is peiced together and many othe things are added in to refute certain faiths. You must remmeber Mecca was a hotzone for religion. Abraham tries to sacrifice is other son or Jesus didn't die on the cross.
It would appear that you are not really happy with any church.
Your understanding of Catholicism is not complete, and I am stating this as a former Evangelical Pastor and bible college instructor who is now Catholic.
I am curious, for the sake of what you posted about Calvinism...what type of ecclesial community do you worship at now?
@baldonebear A bunch of us NON -Arminian Pentecostals(Pentecostals who DO NOT believe in the blasphemy of ''lose your salvation'' or salvation by WORKS instead of GRACE) -but a bunch of us NON -Arminian Pentecostals AND all NON -Calvinistic Baptists fellowship together. That would be Baptists who believe in eternal security or once saved always saved but don't believe in ANY of the five points of Calvinism
@baldonebear Oh, by the way, as I stated before I went through twelve GOD-FORSAKEN years of catholic school, my understanding of them is ALL too complete.
@baldonebear A free will eternal securitist is also non-arminian(Armenians are an ethnic group) the key of arminianism is the belief of the loss of salvation- at this exact monent, if you were to die, you would go to heaven but that might not be true an hour, a day, 4 months, or 8 years from now. That is the ESSENCE of arminainism. In ""grace"" out of ""grace"". There are non- arminians who repudiate the 5 points of ''blasphemy'''' that calvin and satan made up together(continued)
(continued) Also, the LAST thing roman catholics believe in is salvation by Grace; they believe in salvation by church membership, belonging to the church, church attendance, joining the church, rituals, sacraments, rosaries, scapulars, feeding the poor, donating money, giving blood, avoiding sins, avoiding drunkenness, stealing etc.(not that Christians should ever be doing these things and God will surely rebuke and severely chastise/discipline and wayward children He has(continued)
(continued) Grace come through FAITH and FAITH ALONE, for faith is the only thing that is NOT a work. Grace is a GIFT. Faith is receiving something as a gift, not doing anything for it . Faith is the pipe that the water of grace flows to us through. Simply believing in and receiving Christ as our Saviour without any obligation to do anything is what salvation and grace are all about.. Yes the Bible does mention belief WITHOUT salvation, modern fundamentalist (continued)
(continued)modern fundamentalists call it easy believeism. The Bible proclaims that with the HEART man believes unto righteousness(salvation)Romans 10:10 - so he CAN just know it in his head and not be saved, but then he needs to believe in his heart.. Salvation and Grace are NOT of works but FAITH Romans 11: 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise GRACE IS NO MORE GRACE . But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
1. I type fast, so do not choke on the bones if I mis-spell a word, e.g., Arminian.
2. I agree that works do not save us. We are saved through grace. However, faith and works go hand in hand. Our faith must have fruit.
There is a reason why Martin Luther denied the inspiration of James. It is also sad that so many Prots like yourself have a warped understanding of what a Catholic believes concerning the relationship between faith and works.
Realise that when reading Paul's letters, and his mention of works, he is referring to the works of the O.T. Law.
In most of Paul's letters he is refuting the diseased teaching of the Judaizers who taught that one must keep certain elements of the Law as well as accepting Christ.
James speaks of the fruit of faith...the fruit that shows our faith to be living.
The Catholic Church teaches that we are saved by Grace...the it is only through Christ. That Christ is the Way, Truth and Life, that Christ is the only Mediator between God and man.
(Mediator, Gk: mesites has two main applications semantically)
The CC also teaches that our faith must have fruit...it must be lived out. This is scriptural in accordance with James 2. It is also substantiated with the teachings of Paul. A good source is the book of Titus.
I suppose the millions of paople the catholic church murdered in Europe in the middle ages during their satanic inquistion wasn't hate?? I can here the liars now- just like the holocaust deniers-"that never happened!"
and they way you people say," the fullness of the Truth!" Are you kidding?? The fullness of BLASHPEMY is more like it !!!!!!
@barrypatrickius The Spanish Inquisition was NOT led by the Catholic Church . . . Nobody denies that it happened. But it was led by the Spanish Monarch NOT ROME. Blaming the Inquisition on the Church would be the same as blaming the Holocaust on ALL European Protestants. Just because the leaders CLAIMED to be one religion does NOT mean that they represented the faith as a whole
@barrypatrickius have you ever noticed that in Jesus's time there was slavery & they doesn't seem to be reference to slavery for a millienium about 500 to 1500 there was no slavery & in Catholicisms weakened state slavery flourished after 1500. for we have the former slave Bishop Onesimus to thank for gathering Paul's letters, for Paul's letter to philemon helped free that future bishop. that letter is what the"Catholic Empire" used to get rid of slavery. Peace Be With You My Brother In Christ
@barrypatrickius If you looked at the writings of the early Church fathers, what they believed, how they prayed, worshipped, you would see that they were Catholic. As far back as 110 A.D. . They believed in the real presence of Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist, about the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, about The Virgin Mary. Please, do some research and read for yourself. If you could take a time machine and go back a protestant would not see their church or beliefs, they'd see a Catholic Church.
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I went through twelve GOD-FORSAKEN years of satanic roman catholic school. They (the hierarchy not the common people) truly worship lucifer. Now I know salvation is by GRACE ALONE throUgh FAITH ALONE. I know I am ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED but calvinism is also devil worship!
@barrypatrickius I am sorry that you did not learn The Truths of the Faith when you went through Catholic School. Our Lord is waiting for you to return to Him in His Church through the sacrament of confession "who's sins you shall forgive are forgiven "John 20:23", who's sins you shall retain are retained., and the Holy Eucharist. "John 6"
@barrypatrickius You are saved alone, well no Jesus saves you. God does not only love you he loves all of humanity. He wants to insure that all humanity has a place to find him. To be catholic is to be giving your life to God. By following his edicts which the Catholic church enforce and expect their believers to follow.
You are not an indivdual you are a part of Gods people and God has set his church on the rock of St Peter
@barrypatrickius I am sorry to disappoint you, but salvation by GRACE ALONE IS A CATHOLIC teaching!!!! Dont believe me? Read this text by Pope Benedict - divineblessings.wordpress.(com)/?s=salvation+doctrine+revealed
Satanic Roman Catholicism??? What sort of rubbish is that? Have u ever heard that of Catholic Ritual of Exorcism? "city or household divided against itself will not stand" says the Lord in Mathew 12:25. You don't need to b a Catholic, but don't be such a hateful person either!
Yet again another former Protestant takes the courage to read the early church Fathers and finds the truth,many do not have this courage and continue on in ignorance.
steventhestudent, ``Amen I say to thee, thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing.'' (Matt. 5 :26), is Jesus speaking about Hell here?NO!
Where in the Bible does it say `Altar call? 'Personal' Savior? `Trinity? `Bible? `Scripture only? `Once saved always saved?
Here`s the painful reality,the Bible contains none of the above, try not to be so self righteous!
@newtochrist Welcome HOME!!! Jesus is waiting with open arms. He wants feed you with His own Body and Blood. "John 6". It is so great to have Christ with us. I pray He continue to lead you to Himself through His Church.
Jer 17:5Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
Here God condemns those who read too much into mans opinions and statements instead of reading their Bible and getting their knowledge from the Lord directly.
Joh 18:20Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world;.... and in secret have I said nothing.
peter keeft is amazingly gifted. his thoughts are profound, his books an extension of heaven. thank you mr. keeft. =) i am a devout Catholic and love every one of your books. i have almost every one of them. you are a gift to the Body, to the Bride, and to God! =) God bless you. i have been so blessed and fed by the Spirit writing through you.
I tried Fundamentalism for a little while. I just couldn't do it. I found it just a tad embarrassing singing songs that were cringing. But what I have gained from Fundamentalism is a love of reading the Bible and that need for a 'born again' experience and a personal relationship with Jesus. However, I believe Catholicism suits my personality and the Higher form of worship, especially the Latin Mass. And also I don't have to subscribe to creationism!!!
@nacepf I watched the video. Again I ask the question: Where does the Bible talk about Purgatory? And since all authority for Catholic clerics comes from Christ, do they get a free pass to sexually abuse children?
@steventhestudent 1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45
@steventhestudent WORCESTER, MA. A former pastor Andrew J. Bierkan, 54, at the First Congregational Church of Sutton who now heads a church in Ohio has been indicted here on charges of unnatural rape of a child and posing a child in a state of nudity. He is now pastor of St. Paul United Church of Christ in Cincinnati, according to Worcester District Attorney John J. Conte. (Worcester Telegram & Gazette, August 13, 2003)
Ex-Sutton pastor charged with rape of girl from church
@steventhestudent Eddie Thomas, pastor of St. Luke Baptist Church in Ringgold, LA., is arrested and charged with indecent behavior with a juvenile, aggravated incest and pornography involving a juvenile. (the Shreveport Times, July 17, 2003)
Police seize videotape alleged to show sex with child
@steventhestudent Lake Wales, FL. The pastor at the Church of the Nazarene has been charged with sexually assaulting a male 17-year-old youth leader three times in 2001. The Rev. Gene Francis, 52, of Lake Wales, was arrested Tuesday and charged with unlawful sexual activity with a minor. (Sarasota Herald-Tribune, June 4, 2003)
Lake Wales minister arrested in sexual assault case
@steventhestudent We would be naïve and dishonest were we to say this is a Roman Catholic problem and has nothing to do with us because we have married and female priests in our church. Sin and abusive behavior know no ecclesial or other boundaries." Rt. Rev. William Persell, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Chicago, Good Friday Sermon, 2002.
@steventhestudent This does not detract from the True Church Jesus christ established .Did not Jesus himself say in his net there would be good and bad fish?
Will you assume that because some apples on a tree are rotten the WHOLE tree is rotten?
@steventhestudent The point your attempting to make fails miserably .Are you aware That Dennis Rader aka BTK killer was also a member of Christ Lutheran Church, a Lutheran congregation of about 200 people, near his former high school. He had been a member for about 30 years and had been elected PRESIDENT] of the Congregation Council. He was also a Cub Scout leader.
@Gatta9 Im not attemtping to excuse the priest for their behaviour however make certain you are aware of all the abuses that occur in your protestant Churches before attempting to pinpoint this sex abuse scandal as affecting ONLY the CATHOLIC CHURCH .it is NOT only a CATHOLIC problem.Do research before trying to Obfuscate the TRUTH
@steventhestudent What else will you bring to the table let me guess the inquisition,Crusadesand other exaggerated anti-catholic hate propaganda to persuade yourself that you are the TRUE church of Christ?
@Gatta9 Well with all due respect stop the biggotry .I also want to remind you of over 10.000 Saints the Catholic Church has produced .Orphanages ,Anti abortion clinics etc etc.Why dont you mention those ?How old is your Church sir ?Mine is 2000 years old The lineage of Popes is there for all to see ..
@steventhestudent Again I am not excusing the catholic Clerics for their behaviour .Whether Catholic or Protestant they will have to answer to God and his judgement Im just curious since when did God give you the authority to JUDGE?
1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
@steventhestudent What an idiotic thing to say, since the percentages of sexual abuse of children is no lower in protestant churches. People who act against their faith's teachings are alone accountable, not the faith traditions they came from.
@mwoodward221 O c'mon do they have any proof of the Sexual Abuse cases. Its just an old and ancient method of Satan to use Atheist against the Catholics. Why all the fake sexual victims are Atheist????
@eraser695 You cant say they dont happen. Many cases happen. But more cases happen in the boy scouts. And more protestant ministers have affairs and hire prostitutes. We as catholics dont slam their pastors for these scandals .But it seems the other christians out there are too immature to just brush these few idiotic priests by.
@superdubman999 Yes but you cannot blame all the priests just because of the deed of one or two. This is an injustice to other priests. The cases dated are of 17th to 18th century not 21st century. Mind it also...
@eraser695 Thats exactly what im trying to say. Protestants love to bash us for sex abuse scandals. When the rate of priest to sex abuse is much smaller than protestant minister to adultery or hiring prostitutes is much higher
@superdubman999 Oh yes.... I have heard. Many Protestants' Pastoras ( Lady Ministers ) are prostitutes. Even I have heard and seen many Ministers referring Anal Sex. They also use inappropriate language with Bible in their hands. They also ask for money many times and force the people to give them donations.... Benny Hinn is a Great example...
@eraser695 Actually Paul says that women should not lead as pastors and such in a church. He said this not because women have a lesser place, but for exactly that reason of them acting as prostitutes. If you do some research into Pauls speaking against women as pastors you learn alot. But yes there is much corruption. Catholic or protestant, i just pray for it to end and for hypocrites to stop seeing the splinter in our christian brothers eyes.
@steventhestudent Where in the bible does it mentioned the Trinity? Not in there also. It was the Catholic Church which defines it.
But in any case, Read Maccabees to learn more about Purgatory.
By the way, it is not a good thing to generalize the whole population of the priesthood to be phedopiles, only 4% of whom betray the faith by engaging into sexual abuse....doing so, you might wanna judge the apostles by the action of Judas.
@steventhestudent It certainly mentions an intermediate state to which the soul of Christ went after His death on the cross. 1 Pet. III., 19. This state was neither heaven nor hell, but the Limbo of the Fathers of the Old Law. In addition to this, Scripture mentions the purgatorial state.
1-@steventhestudent In Matt. V., 26, Christ, in condemning sin, speaks of liberation only after expiation. "Thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing." In Matt. XII., 32, He speaks of sin which "shall not be forgiven either in this world or in the world to come."
2-@steventhestudent Any remission of the effects of sin in the next world can refer only to purgatory. Above all St. Paul tells us that the day of judgment will try each man's work. That day is after death, when the soul goes to meet its God.
3-@steventhestudent What is the result of that judgment? If a man's work will not stand the test St. Paul says that "he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire." 1 Cor. III., 15. This cannot refer to eternal loss in hell, for no one is saved there. Nor can it refer to heaven, for there is no suffering in heaven.
4-@steventhestudent Purgatory alone can explain this text As a matter of fact, all Christians believed in purgatory until the Reformation, when the reformers began their rejection of Christian doctrines at will.
5-@steventhestudent Prayer for the dead was ever the prevailing custom, in accordance with the recommendation of the Bible itself. "It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from their sins." 2 Mach. XII., 46. Prayer for the dead supposes a soul not in heaven where it does not need the help of prayer, nor in hell where prayer cannot assist it.
6-@steventhestudent Some intermediate state of purification and need, where prayer can help, is necessary. And the doctrine is most reasonable. "Nothing defiled shall enter heaven." Rev. XXL, 27. Yet not all defilement should cost man the loss of his soul.
7-@steventhestudent Even in this life human justice does not inflict capital punishment for every crime. Small offenses are punished by fines or by temporary imprisonment, after which the delinquent is liberated. Those who deny purgatory teach the harder and more unreasonable doctrine.
I believe that the Catholic Church is the true church of Jesus Christ. How else was it able to last and thrive for so long when empires and countries have come and gone. If you want to know more, you can watch the videos on my website stated in my profile.
@steventhestudent There are a lot of protestants , especially protestant ministers, converting to Catholicism. If they are truly open to the truth and study the early Church Fathers they would have no choice but to convert.
@nacepf I guess I have a problem with reconciling Catholicism's focus on grace through works with the Bible verse "It is not by works that you are saved but by faith" Martin Luther, as a Catholic monk, certainly studied the early Church Fathers.
@steventhestudent, What on earth are you reading that gives you the (incorrect) impression that the Catholic Church teaches savlation by works? Can I offer you a proper reading list? For something that is accessible online, consider reading: JOINT DECLARATION ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION (signed by officials from the Lutheran World Federation & the Vatican in 1999). Are you aware that the Christian Reform (Calvinist) profs at Notre Dame are now big fans of Aquinas' doctrine of grace?
@steventhestudent Most of the time when a Catholic converts it's because their strength in faith isn't with the Lord. Now they will probably argue with that, because as truly Christian as they are no one wants to hear something like that. But, when you break it down you have to look at why they are leaving: Chances are they aren't fully studied or aware of the Church, The Roman Catholic Church has a ton of history and is very complicated, something most people don't like to dive into.
@steventhestudent So it would be very easy for a "Bible Christian" to come along and thwart their perspective on how Christianity "should" be, at least through their eyes. But again this isn't about opinions from different "men", it's about what God wills and what Christ handed down to us through his apostles. Secondly the people I have met that left home (Christ's Church) were bored and tired of going to mass. This just shows that they are at Church for the flesh, for the people not for God.
@steventhestudent For if you were truly involved in your Faith you would have no problem sitting through a Mass and devouring anything taught that week or simply accepting the Eucharist. I mean come on it's a true Miracle experienced every week so that we can be filled with the Holy Spirit and not lose sight of God's path for us. Plus the Protestant approach to worship has a more free spirited feel to it 9 times outta 10. If someone leaves home because they are bored or side swiped by biased
@KeenanxMhoon Martin Luther, as a Catholic cleric, felt no closeness to God during Mass or accepting Eucharist. He also did not like the Catholic Church''s use of indulgences to buy one's soul out of Purgatory.
@steventhestudent approaches to validate their leaving then they are losing sight that it's about being in the house of God, and not in the house of the flesh. Don't go to Church because of the people. Go because it's the house of God and we are here to worship him.
@steventhestudent James 2:24 Besides your seriously placing Martin Luther ahead of Christ? And the church he established that has lasted ever since? It was around for 1,500 years before Martin Luther came along and thought he could rebuild a Church of that Caliber. A single "human man" cannot and will not ever be able to "create" a Church of God that isn't from God, it's that simple. Martin Luther (or any descendant of Protestantism) never had/has a direct mission from God to rebuild his Church.
@steventhestudent No, Luther was all about miss interpreting the book of Romans and telling the entire Roman Catholic Church that they were wrong on the subject of Sola Fide. This one man seriously thought he could re-write God's law and commands because he saw them suiting to his personal beliefs. This is why there is only one church and anything outside of it is not only false but untraceable to Christ. The Roman Catholic Church is the only Church that can be traced back to Christ, period.
@steventhestudent...The question remains, who gave Luther the authority to reinterpret Christian doctrine regarding faith and morals? Are we to believe Luther just because he said so? I'll tell you one good thing about Luther. At least he had the decency to not elevate himself into a position of authority like King Henry VIII did with the Church of England. Instead, Luther placed authority on the Bible itself, and therefore giving rise to the weak doctrine of Sola Scriptura.
If you were referring to the 1980's then you would be right. Today it is the other way round, many protestants turn to the Catholic Church as they have found out that it is historically and doctrinally correct. I see it within my own Chuch too.
Something Protestants often forget: they keep harping on a "transcendent God" but they destroyed all of the Catholic-Orthodox spiritual and liturgical practices to move man/woman to transcendence which is hard to do with a barren builiding with a Cross-if you are lucky--with a guy reading the Bible to you, preaching and singing hymns--and that's it.
@steventhestudent not true, look at all the anglicans, methodists, and lutherans who are joining the catholic church. Parts of the Anglican and Lutheran Churches themselves are even seeking full communion with Rome. I myself am a catholic convert from protestantism.
@steventhestudent, raw numbers don't tell the whole story. Evangelical Christian scholar Mark A. Noll, in his influential book, THE SCANDAL OF THE EVANGELICAL MIND, lamented that while the conversion number ratio strongly favors evangelical Protestantism, the conversion quality ratio greatly favors Catholicism. He spoke of a brain drain of the best & the brightest (intellectuals, academics) in the Evangelical world in favor of Catholic Christianity, a phenomenon which continues unabated.
@steventhestudent .it's other way around brother. only those weak in their faith went to protestants. anyone truly seeking for the truth with no bias and invoke God's enlightenment will surely find himself in the Catholic Church.throughout history,catholics were persecutd,beheaded and many more in order to give up the faith but it only increases the faith because Jesus warned us that what happend to Him will also hapen to us.who are persecuting the catholics now? i gues u knw wat i mean.
OK, I admit it, you got me, I'm an opus dei albino monk assassin Jesuit witch hunter from the knights of Malta. I'm here to terrorize the people from the shadows and kick puppies down stairs. All your paranoid fantasies are true, even if they don't make sense. you are so smart for having figured me out, you deserve a prize. when my secret monk militia takes over the world you may live, how about that? No? Oh well, I'd love to stay and chat but the world won't take over itself you know. bye bye!
DetectiveThursday 1 month ago
Chick already was banned in 25 countries given the rest of his content he was taking no risk. Jack believed and still believes what Rivera said was true because it ties into his conspiracy theories. all Mr Rivera did was tell him what he wanted to hear, he conned him. jack found him credible because he heard what he wanted to hear and did not bother to check his sources. people like jack chick care less for the facts and more on their agenda and won't let details like research get in the way.
DetectiveThursday 1 month ago
@DetectiveThursday "Chick already was banned in 25 countries given the rest of his content he was taking no risk.."
Right! Now, have you ever thought of publications against any Evangelical Church that can be or have ever been banned in any country? Why? Because we don't have any worldly power over any government or business. Yours has that power because it is a world power, a worldly kingdom. A clever system which is absolutely authoritive & totally controlling...
bulyabalive 1 month ago
@DetectiveThursday They bark, & the world bows! Exactly what Rivera said. So do you expect Jack NOT to believe him? I just wonder, did Rivera sit down somewhere & formed a big story against the Catholic Church, looked for someone who would believe him, conned him (how? God knows) & that was it? A small question, did reporters ever tempted to e.g. investage the strangled babies theories in Spain & proved false, after all the year was given by River when Govt of Spain..
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DetectiveThursday 1 month ago
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@bulyabalive I fully expect jack to believe him, and I'm sure Alberto was thinking the same when he was preparing his book deal. I'm sorry, I have no more time for ridiculous games. if you have any legitimate claim to make,you have the burden of proof for your view. Your evidence and it's lack of reliability. you have the onus now to present your case with something substantial. if you choose to continue to believe the conspiracy theories that is your business but please do so elsewhere.
DetectiveThursday 1 month ago
@DetectiveThursday ..carried out investigations. Did Christian Today ever attempted to make that move to at least find such a simple thing for a reporter? No, but it found out bad check writings, closed A/cs, charges of a history of legal entanglements & court actions without specifics regarding complaints or police records! What about other former priests who testifies of almost similar things. Alberto just happen to have gone too deep. It is a miracle he lived to tell.
bulyabalive 1 month ago
Alberto Rivera long ago said this will happen. No surprise.
bulyabalive 2 months ago
@bulyabalive you do know Alberto Rivera was exposed as a fraud 30 years ago. BY AN EVANGELICAL PROTESTANT please refer to the following articles "The Alberto Story," Cornerstone, vol. 9, no. 53, 1981, pp. 29-31. and Christianity Today, March 13, 1981.
DetectiveThursday 2 months ago
@DetectiveThursday I read all of them, & it is amazing. Alberto's story remains intact. It is the man who is attacked in both magazines but not his story. His story is not even "investigated" by anyone these people. No. He is attacked in way to make people NOT believe him. An old dirty game.
bulyabalive 2 months ago
@bulyabalive so despite the fact he's had warrants for his arrest involving check fraud, credit card theft, and charity fraud, that his claims of leaving the church shifted from 1952 to 1967, that he admitted to receiving his degrees from a diploma mill, that the church denies Mr. Rivera ever was a Jesuit, that he doesn't have a sister named maria who was a nun. and that his historical accounts are entirely off base, that you find him to be an entirely credible witness? How utterly unreasonable!
DetectiveThursday 2 months ago
@DetectiveThursday Yes despite the "facts" because these "facts" have a lot of missing information since they are meant to present one side. Reporter are supposed to investigate & write stories to conclusions, not stopping half way! E.g. the allegations of police record, investment schemes, bad cheque-writing, fabricated education record, family abuse, etc all fall sort of any Court record location, dates, case numbers & charges filed, whether or not arrest was made & final outcome! Cont/
bulyabalive 1 month ago
@DetectiveThursday Critics comment that "we are told that a minister of The Church of God of Prophecy had experienced embarrassment when Rivera allegeld had written a cheque on an already closed account.' The forget to mention location of the minister, of the banks concerned, of the locality of the airline desk complaining, whether the writers had ever seen a copy of the cheque, etc. They give a name, which can be any name, & nothing else!
bulyabalive 1 month ago
@Detective Thursday In his comic Alberto, River reveals he went into the Seminary at the age of 7 in 1942. How could he have left the "Church" in 1952 at the age of 17???? And of course the what do you expect the RCC to say? That Alberto was telling the truth about them & their Jesuitical practices? Give me a break!
bulyabalive 1 month ago
@bulyabalive I'll be honest, all of the supporters of Mr. Rivera I have ever encountered are willing to accept his story because it fits in with the wild eyed conspiracy theories. and from dealing with conspiracy theorists in my life I have come to the conclusion there is nothing I can say, no matter how perfectly logical that will convince them otherwise as conspiracy theorists are firmly in denial. Instead I rest my case having proved my point, may God give you eyes to see and ears to hear.
DetectiveThursday 2 months ago
@DetectiveThursday I too will be honest. We are watching with interest what is happening to Churches like Church of England who gave RCC a just a piece & now are loosing the whole thing. Alberto warned about economic depression that will come, & indeed it happened. We have "Protestants" ministers "going back to maama Church", most are highly educated & they "read" their way to Rome, etc. Who is really fooling who? My question is, what would Alberto have gained in inventing such a story?
bulyabalive 1 month ago
@bulyabalive the Church of England approached Rome 20 years before Anglicanorum Coetibus, and even further back was the Oxford movement in the 1830's which also was formed within the church of England. The church of England is in internal schism not from external pressure from the Catholic church, but from interior pressures between high church and low church Anglicans and Episcopals. let me pose you a question: If God is truth, how is it that you pose faith and right reason are incompatible?
DetectiveThursday 1 month ago
@DetectiveThursday But of course, it is internal schism. That is what it is meant to be! The oath says it all, doesn't it?
bulyabalive 1 month ago
@bulyabalive The Jesuit Extreme Oath Of Induction is a widely known fake. Rivera used it in his writings because a copy of it exists in the library of congress under congressional records. it lent him a veneer of credibility, but no scholar of any religious background ever considered it genuine. it is a fake created out of malice when Thomas S. Butler (Protestant republican) lost to Eugene C Bonniwell (Catholic democrat) and he submitted this oath as "proof" that his opponent was untrustworthy.
DetectiveThursday 1 month ago
@DetectiveThursday Oh come on! Does Congress libraries keep fake things? Where did the library got it from & where did it originate from to find its way in a place like Congress library? You mean Thomas S. Butler is a the source? He is surely very imaginative, if he is! And what did the oath had to do with Eugene Bonniwell unless perhaps Butler knew he was Jesuit! This is becoming interesting.
bulyabalive 1 month ago
@bulyabalive the congressional record is merely a recording of any and all material that is covered in a congressional session, just like in a court transcription there is no guarantee of the veracity of what is written, only that it is written as it was given. it is preserved like other congressional records for historical and archival purposes. regarding the politics, up until the election of kennedy there was often transparent bias against catholic politicians from both parties.
DetectiveThursday 1 month ago
@bulyabalive incidentally, T. L. Eyre, owner of a local newspaper and associate of Thomas s butler is often credited as the source as his was the first and only publisher. both men were opposed to Bonniwell politically and religiously, and though the constitution cannot prohibit his opponent to engaging in a religious test for office and thus no catholic can be prohibited from running, he could create a libelous tract, associate it with him and attempt to sink his political opponent. that's it.
DetectiveThursday 1 month ago
@DetectiveThursday The oath did not originate from Butler, and YOU KNOW IT. If you don't it is just like all romanists. you will rather look the other way hoping it will magically disappear. We are not all stupid.
bulyabalive 1 month ago
@bulyabalive also, Mr Rivera has a lot to gain from making up a story, Jack Chick certainly gave him a lot of time, fame and money for his trouble, what more could a confidence man ask for?
DetectiveThursday 1 month ago
@DetectiveThursday With the risk of banning all his publications in the countries? I doubt whether that was a very smart business move for Jack Chick. He achieved just the opposite (maybe after frevent intercession on RCC part), don't you think?
bulyabalive 1 month ago
@bulyabalive as I said before, there's nothing i can say that would appease conspiracy theorists such as yourself. please spare me my wasted time and spare yourself further embarrassment and stop this madness. I say this with real concern for you, you need serious help.
DetectiveThursday 1 month ago
@DetectiveThursday Then why waste your time? Do you expect me to just agree with you like a robot when you don't provide concrete evidence proving what I came to learn is false? What if the conspiracy is really true & is revealed? I know you love & are loyal to your Church, but what would you do inf your read such a Oath & its against your Church? What about the evidence of power control in business where these people have shares & influence? Are all fabricated? Come on!
bulyabalive 1 month ago
@noNEEDtoKNEEL
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fespinoza287 2 months ago
We are saved by faith alone that sanctifies. That's the only kind of faith that saves us. If we had that true faith, that faith alone will bring us to our knees in repentance. If a Protestant or anyone else exhibits no good works (holiness) then that person can be assured that he/she has no faith that saves him/her.
Celestiaetterra 2 months ago
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@Celestiaetterra Secret Instructions of the Jesuits - Revealed at Last!!
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The Secret Instructions were first discovered during the 30 Years' War when the Duke of Brunswick plundered the Jesuit's college at Paderborn in Westphalia and made a present of their library to the Capuchins of the same town. Soon after reprints and translations appeared all over Europe.
EllenGouldWhite 2 months ago
@bradleesargent You don't like the way the Holy Spirit translated it? Until you prove otherwize, I'll assume the Holy Spirit is smarter than you are. And certainly much smarter than an amillennialist who can't get the meaning in English (Strong).
CarefulKaren 3 months ago
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re: JACK T. CHICK PUBLICATIONS
Does Jack Chick hate Catholics? Quite the opposite. In the mid-1970' when he first began to understand what Roman Catholicism really teaches, he knew it was unscriptural. He also knew that to speak out against it would be unpopular and hurt his publishing company. After much prayer, he made the decision that, no matter what it cost him personally, he would publish the truth that Roman Catholicism is not Christian.
CarefulKaren 3 months ago
Jam 2:14 ¶ What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
bradleesargent 3 months ago
@noNEEDtoKNEEL Do you have any clue as to the word λειτουργέω? It is used in Hebrews 10:11, but also used when Acts 13:2 when Paul was sent to the Gentiles. It is strongs 3008 which is the word liturgy.
Guess which church performs liturgy?
bradleesargent 3 months ago
@noNEEDtoKNEEL
Let the Apostol Paul clarify your doctrinal question about salvation by Faith alone or by works: Eph 2:8-9 8) For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Gal 1:6-7 (6) I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: (7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
cagh51 3 months ago
@noNEEDtoKNEEL If you want to understand, purchase the book "Jesus and The Jewish Roots of the Eucharist". When the messiah would come, it was expected by all Jews that he would reintroduce the manna from heaven to become available for everyone just as it was during Moses time in the Old Testament.
bradleesargent 3 months ago
@noNEEDtoKNEEL So why did Jesus have the last supper then??? Please explain your reasons in detail. If there's no need for the last supper then why would Jesus institute it??? I don't understand why if Jesus institutes the Last Supper why you say it's not valid. Also, if you have any idea about the greek, then you need to understand how the word "in rememberance" IS ALWAYS USED WITH SACRIFICE!!!
bradleesargent 3 months ago
@noNEEDtoKNEEL I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
nacepf 3 months ago
@noNEEDtoKNEEL John 6:53 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
nacepf 3 months ago
The Protestant revolt was the most catastrophic event in history. Hundreds of millions of souls were and are bound for hell because of it. They're raining into hell like snowflakes. The next most catastrophic event was World War III, otherwise known as the Second Vatican Council. Because of its Protestantization of the Church, many more are hellbound. Truly, the floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.
Google for this:
Open Letter to Confused Catholics
Jitpring 5 months ago
Do 1000 Hail Marys twice a day
Pope Rats
Does anybody know why Hitler was never ex-communicated? Wasn't he a Catholc all his life? There are pictures of him getting along with cardinals in the book "SMOKESCREENS." (can be googled and read on-line. Or, just look at the pictures)
PETER
I was never a blasphemous pope and I was never even in ROME! They found my grave in Jerusalem a long time ago.
PAUL
Look for BEREANbeacon and EXCATHOLICS on-line or on youtube
cultrefuter32 5 months ago
@cultrefuter32 Peter's bones were found in Rome. Go to catholic.com and search "Peter's bones" and click on the article about Peter being in Rome if you're interested.
Also, if you're interested in reaching people, you should try to provide more dispassionate sources than Bereanbeacon and excatholics. They clearly have an anti-Catholic agenda. Someone who looks at the issues dispassionately will get your point across much better. God bless.
cburton103 4 months ago
I am a Evangelical protestant who is considering conversion to Orthodoxy. The cure to evangelical american christianity is studying church history, that simple.
Raokenx 7 months ago 2
I used to be anti-Catholic. Now, after a turbulent spiritual journey(even considering other religions) I am on the way into the Church.
Herdewelle 7 months ago 26
@Herdewelle Praise the Lord!!!
nacepf 7 months ago 4
@Herdewelle welcome home brother..
MrEpitome888 6 months ago
@Herdewelle ..Stop, while there's time.
bella50008 2 months ago
@bella50008 No, I love Truth. I pray that you find the humility to accept it even when it is very painful.
Herdewelle 2 months ago
@Herdewelle
Welcome Home, God Bless you
shronemor 3 weeks ago
@Herdewelle Your Mother Church has been waiting for your return, child. Welcome home, Herdewelle.
rocky60191 2 weeks ago
@Herdewelle God bless you on your journey. may God guide you on your way home
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niwanthiumara 10 months ago
This man thought about it and decided Catholicism was for him. I respect anyone's right to make the right decision for them. Once people start screaming, shouting and are abusive I switch off and I would not want to belong to their religion. I'm Catholic and I'm very comfortable with that and that is my choice. I read about all types of religion but I truly believe Catholicism is true.
modomnoc1010 10 months ago
@barrypatrickius - you appear to have a lot of hate inside. I'm a Catholic and am happy you've found Jesus in your life but you don't appear to practice His teaching. I'll keep you in my prayers.
God bless you and your family,
chase
chase82 11 months ago
@chase82 The psalms say " I love thy word, therefore I hate every false way"(The Roman Catholic Church being one of them)- the church as in the institution, not ndividual catholics whom I love and pray for that they find their way out of that false, satanic system and get their souls saved and go to heaven.
barrypatrickius 9 months ago
the HATE displayed by those who wrote against the Holy Church are so clear and there is no chance at all of not feeling it. let us pray that they have peace and both the initiative and capacity to search for the truth and not settle with hateful propaganda they obviously have gotten.
gi2bull 11 months ago
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I DID learn catholic church doctrine, THAT was the problem:; I learned a bastardized form of Christianity which was mixed with superstition and Roman Empire PAGANISM!!!!!!!!
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
@barrypatrickius I am sorry but you are not being honest with yourself. I hope you looked up the scriptures in my last comment. Every day ask Our Lord and His Mother to lead you to the fullness of the Truth, and if you are honest with yourself I guarantee you, you will end up in the Catholic Church. God Bless!!!
nacepf 1 year ago 3
@nacepf With respect, I don't think it is as simple as just asking Our Lord if the RCC is true and expecting an affirmative answer. The Mormons, the Muslims, etc., ad infinitum, say exactly the same thing and some people sincerely seem to believe that they have received an affirmative answer, one that would negate your own exorteric beliefs.
bayreuth79 1 year ago
@bayreuth79 Not definitive answers exist thats wghy it is faith but any other faith are false they may have similar sentimets in relation to being kind or many things like that but that doesn't mean they are inspired by God. Frankly Islam can be refuted by looking at the Qur'an. It is peiced together and many othe things are added in to refute certain faiths. You must remmeber Mecca was a hotzone for religion. Abraham tries to sacrifice is other son or Jesus didn't die on the cross.
TheMaskhadov 10 months ago
@barrypatrickius
It would appear that you are not really happy with any church.
Your understanding of Catholicism is not complete, and I am stating this as a former Evangelical Pastor and bible college instructor who is now Catholic.
I am curious, for the sake of what you posted about Calvinism...what type of ecclesial community do you worship at now?
baldonebear 1 year ago
@baldonebear A bunch of us NON -Arminian Pentecostals(Pentecostals who DO NOT believe in the blasphemy of ''lose your salvation'' or salvation by WORKS instead of GRACE) -but a bunch of us NON -Arminian Pentecostals AND all NON -Calvinistic Baptists fellowship together. That would be Baptists who believe in eternal security or once saved always saved but don't believe in ANY of the five points of Calvinism
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
@baldonebear Oh, by the way, as I stated before I went through twelve GOD-FORSAKEN years of catholic school, my understanding of them is ALL too complete.
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
@barrypatrickius
Non-Armenian is Calvinist. Perhaps you have the linguistics mixed up.
Catholics believe we are saved by Grace. That is one point that you missed in that 12 years.
I too was a Pentecostal Charismatic. A pastor as I stated.
baldonebear 1 year ago
@baldonebear A free will eternal securitist is also non-arminian(Armenians are an ethnic group) the key of arminianism is the belief of the loss of salvation- at this exact monent, if you were to die, you would go to heaven but that might not be true an hour, a day, 4 months, or 8 years from now. That is the ESSENCE of arminainism. In ""grace"" out of ""grace"". There are non- arminians who repudiate the 5 points of ''blasphemy'''' that calvin and satan made up together(continued)
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
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barrypatrickius 1 year ago
(continued) Also, the LAST thing roman catholics believe in is salvation by Grace; they believe in salvation by church membership, belonging to the church, church attendance, joining the church, rituals, sacraments, rosaries, scapulars, feeding the poor, donating money, giving blood, avoiding sins, avoiding drunkenness, stealing etc.(not that Christians should ever be doing these things and God will surely rebuke and severely chastise/discipline and wayward children He has(continued)
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
(continued) Grace come through FAITH and FAITH ALONE, for faith is the only thing that is NOT a work. Grace is a GIFT. Faith is receiving something as a gift, not doing anything for it . Faith is the pipe that the water of grace flows to us through. Simply believing in and receiving Christ as our Saviour without any obligation to do anything is what salvation and grace are all about.. Yes the Bible does mention belief WITHOUT salvation, modern fundamentalist (continued)
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
(continued)modern fundamentalists call it easy believeism. The Bible proclaims that with the HEART man believes unto righteousness(salvation)Romans 10:10 - so he CAN just know it in his head and not be saved, but then he needs to believe in his heart.. Salvation and Grace are NOT of works but FAITH Romans 11: 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise GRACE IS NO MORE GRACE . But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
@barrypatrickius
1. I type fast, so do not choke on the bones if I mis-spell a word, e.g., Arminian.
2. I agree that works do not save us. We are saved through grace. However, faith and works go hand in hand. Our faith must have fruit.
There is a reason why Martin Luther denied the inspiration of James. It is also sad that so many Prots like yourself have a warped understanding of what a Catholic believes concerning the relationship between faith and works.
baldonebear 1 year ago
@barrypatrickius
Part 2.
Realise that when reading Paul's letters, and his mention of works, he is referring to the works of the O.T. Law.
In most of Paul's letters he is refuting the diseased teaching of the Judaizers who taught that one must keep certain elements of the Law as well as accepting Christ.
James speaks of the fruit of faith...the fruit that shows our faith to be living.
baldonebear 1 year ago
@barrypatrickius
Part 3
In reality, you are not faith alone.
It is by Grace that we are saved...through faith.
Faith without works (fruit) is dead.
James 2:24 tells us that we are justified by our works and not by faith only (alone). That means both go hand in hand.
Note: This is the only place in scripture where "faith alone" is mentioned.
The work James speaks of is not what Paul is dealing with. These are fruits of the faith, not "works" if the Law.
baldonebear 1 year ago
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baldonebear 1 year ago
@barrypatrickius
The Catholic Church teaches that we are saved by Grace...the it is only through Christ. That Christ is the Way, Truth and Life, that Christ is the only Mediator between God and man.
(Mediator, Gk: mesites has two main applications semantically)
The CC also teaches that our faith must have fruit...it must be lived out. This is scriptural in accordance with James 2. It is also substantiated with the teachings of Paul. A good source is the book of Titus.
baldonebear 1 year ago
@barrypatrickius
What you learned was anti-Catholic doctrine. Do you realize that if I believed what you believe about the RCC I would have jumped ship long ago.
Maratom1 1 year ago
I suppose the millions of paople the catholic church murdered in Europe in the middle ages during their satanic inquistion wasn't hate?? I can here the liars now- just like the holocaust deniers-"that never happened!"
and they way you people say," the fullness of the Truth!" Are you kidding?? The fullness of BLASHPEMY is more like it !!!!!!
barrypatrickius 10 months ago
@barrypatrickius The Spanish Inquisition was NOT led by the Catholic Church . . . Nobody denies that it happened. But it was led by the Spanish Monarch NOT ROME. Blaming the Inquisition on the Church would be the same as blaming the Holocaust on ALL European Protestants. Just because the leaders CLAIMED to be one religion does NOT mean that they represented the faith as a whole
omGOP3 9 months ago 2
@barrypatrickius have you ever noticed that in Jesus's time there was slavery & they doesn't seem to be reference to slavery for a millienium about 500 to 1500 there was no slavery & in Catholicisms weakened state slavery flourished after 1500. for we have the former slave Bishop Onesimus to thank for gathering Paul's letters, for Paul's letter to philemon helped free that future bishop. that letter is what the"Catholic Empire" used to get rid of slavery. Peace Be With You My Brother In Christ
laffiteaumusic 7 months ago
@barrypatrickius If you looked at the writings of the early Church fathers, what they believed, how they prayed, worshipped, you would see that they were Catholic. As far back as 110 A.D. . They believed in the real presence of Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist, about the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, about The Virgin Mary. Please, do some research and read for yourself. If you could take a time machine and go back a protestant would not see their church or beliefs, they'd see a Catholic Church.
ultimouomo11 8 months ago
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I went through twelve GOD-FORSAKEN years of satanic roman catholic school. They (the hierarchy not the common people) truly worship lucifer. Now I know salvation is by GRACE ALONE throUgh FAITH ALONE. I know I am ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED but calvinism is also devil worship!
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
@barrypatrickius I am sorry that you did not learn The Truths of the Faith when you went through Catholic School. Our Lord is waiting for you to return to Him in His Church through the sacrament of confession "who's sins you shall forgive are forgiven "John 20:23", who's sins you shall retain are retained., and the Holy Eucharist. "John 6"
nacepf 1 year ago 9
@barrypatrickius You are saved alone, well no Jesus saves you. God does not only love you he loves all of humanity. He wants to insure that all humanity has a place to find him. To be catholic is to be giving your life to God. By following his edicts which the Catholic church enforce and expect their believers to follow.
You are not an indivdual you are a part of Gods people and God has set his church on the rock of St Peter
TheMaskhadov 10 months ago
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@barrypatrickius I am sorry to disappoint you, but salvation by GRACE ALONE IS A CATHOLIC teaching!!!! Dont believe me? Read this text by Pope Benedict - divineblessings.wordpress.(com)/?s=salvation+doctrine+revealed
Satanic Roman Catholicism??? What sort of rubbish is that? Have u ever heard that of Catholic Ritual of Exorcism? "city or household divided against itself will not stand" says the Lord in Mathew 12:25. You don't need to b a Catholic, but don't be such a hateful person either!
Clipwizards 6 months ago
@barrypatrickius Don't confuse human error with the Church. But easier said than done.
22grena 4 months ago
Yet again another former Protestant takes the courage to read the early church Fathers and finds the truth,many do not have this courage and continue on in ignorance.
crafter111 1 year ago
steventhestudent, ``Amen I say to thee, thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing.'' (Matt. 5 :26), is Jesus speaking about Hell here?NO!
Where in the Bible does it say `Altar call? 'Personal' Savior? `Trinity? `Bible? `Scripture only? `Once saved always saved?
Here`s the painful reality,the Bible contains none of the above, try not to be so self righteous!
crafter111 1 year ago
I LOVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
newtochrist 1 year ago 13
@newtochrist Welcome HOME!!! Jesus is waiting with open arms. He wants feed you with His own Body and Blood. "John 6". It is so great to have Christ with us. I pray He continue to lead you to Himself through His Church.
nacepf 1 year ago 2
Jer 17:5Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
Here God condemns those who read too much into mans opinions and statements instead of reading their Bible and getting their knowledge from the Lord directly.
Joh 18:20Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world;.... and in secret have I said nothing.
shlukh 1 year ago
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@stevenestudent Jesus talks about Purgatory: the grinding of teeth, the fire never extinguishes, the worms never died, ... Gehana!
fancullo 1 year ago
peter keeft is amazingly gifted. his thoughts are profound, his books an extension of heaven. thank you mr. keeft. =) i am a devout Catholic and love every one of your books. i have almost every one of them. you are a gift to the Body, to the Bride, and to God! =) God bless you. i have been so blessed and fed by the Spirit writing through you.
loriperez2000 1 year ago
I tried Fundamentalism for a little while. I just couldn't do it. I found it just a tad embarrassing singing songs that were cringing. But what I have gained from Fundamentalism is a love of reading the Bible and that need for a 'born again' experience and a personal relationship with Jesus. However, I believe Catholicism suits my personality and the Higher form of worship, especially the Latin Mass. And also I don't have to subscribe to creationism!!!
modomnoc1 1 year ago
@modomnoc1
Ha! Good for you and Gob Bless His Church. Ave Maria
sonofmary1 1 year ago
Where in the Bible does it talk about Purgatory. I dont recall any passage that talks about going to Purgatory after death.
steventhestudent 1 year ago
@steventhestudent check out this video watch?v=7KjcHVwuxR4
nacepf 1 year ago
@nacepf I watched the video. Again I ask the question: Where does the Bible talk about Purgatory? And since all authority for Catholic clerics comes from Christ, do they get a free pass to sexually abuse children?
steventhestudent 1 year ago
@steventhestudent 1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45
nacepf 1 year ago
@steventhestudent You are deviating from the issue .I can ask exactly the same question here let me give you examples
Gatta9 1 year ago
@steventhestudent WORCESTER, MA. A former pastor Andrew J. Bierkan, 54, at the First Congregational Church of Sutton who now heads a church in Ohio has been indicted here on charges of unnatural rape of a child and posing a child in a state of nudity. He is now pastor of St. Paul United Church of Christ in Cincinnati, according to Worcester District Attorney John J. Conte. (Worcester Telegram & Gazette, August 13, 2003)
Ex-Sutton pastor charged with rape of girl from church
Gatta9 1 year ago
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@steventhestudent Eddie Thomas, pastor of St. Luke Baptist Church in Ringgold, LA., is arrested and charged with indecent behavior with a juvenile, aggravated incest and pornography involving a juvenile. (the Shreveport Times, July 17, 2003)
Police seize videotape alleged to show sex with child
Gatta9 1 year ago
@steventhestudent Lake Wales, FL. The pastor at the Church of the Nazarene has been charged with sexually assaulting a male 17-year-old youth leader three times in 2001. The Rev. Gene Francis, 52, of Lake Wales, was arrested Tuesday and charged with unlawful sexual activity with a minor. (Sarasota Herald-Tribune, June 4, 2003)
Lake Wales minister arrested in sexual assault case
Gatta9 1 year ago
@steventhestudent We would be naïve and dishonest were we to say this is a Roman Catholic problem and has nothing to do with us because we have married and female priests in our church. Sin and abusive behavior know no ecclesial or other boundaries." Rt. Rev. William Persell, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Chicago, Good Friday Sermon, 2002.
Gatta9 1 year ago
@steventhestudent This does not detract from the True Church Jesus christ established .Did not Jesus himself say in his net there would be good and bad fish?
Will you assume that because some apples on a tree are rotten the WHOLE tree is rotten?
Gatta9 1 year ago
@steventhestudent The point your attempting to make fails miserably .Are you aware That Dennis Rader aka BTK killer was also a member of Christ Lutheran Church, a Lutheran congregation of about 200 people, near his former high school. He had been a member for about 30 years and had been elected PRESIDENT] of the Congregation Council. He was also a Cub Scout leader.
Gatta9 1 year ago
@Gatta9 Im not attemtping to excuse the priest for their behaviour however make certain you are aware of all the abuses that occur in your protestant Churches before attempting to pinpoint this sex abuse scandal as affecting ONLY the CATHOLIC CHURCH .it is NOT only a CATHOLIC problem.Do research before trying to Obfuscate the TRUTH
Gatta9 1 year ago
@steventhestudent Whoah whoah from PURGATORY to SEX ABUSE how convenient.
Gatta9 1 year ago
@steventhestudent What else will you bring to the table let me guess the inquisition,Crusadesand other exaggerated anti-catholic hate propaganda to persuade yourself that you are the TRUE church of Christ?
Gatta9 1 year ago
@Gatta9 Well with all due respect stop the biggotry .I also want to remind you of over 10.000 Saints the Catholic Church has produced .Orphanages ,Anti abortion clinics etc etc.Why dont you mention those ?How old is your Church sir ?Mine is 2000 years old The lineage of Popes is there for all to see ..
Gatta9 1 year ago
@steventhestudent Again I am not excusing the catholic Clerics for their behaviour .Whether Catholic or Protestant they will have to answer to God and his judgement Im just curious since when did God give you the authority to JUDGE?
go to your bible PROTESTANT version
Gatta9 1 year ago
@steventhestudent Matthew 7 King James Version
1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Gatta9 1 year ago
@steventhestudent What an idiotic thing to say, since the percentages of sexual abuse of children is no lower in protestant churches. People who act against their faith's teachings are alone accountable, not the faith traditions they came from.
mwoodward221 1 year ago
@mwoodward221 O c'mon do they have any proof of the Sexual Abuse cases. Its just an old and ancient method of Satan to use Atheist against the Catholics. Why all the fake sexual victims are Atheist????
eraser695 1 year ago
@eraser695 You cant say they dont happen. Many cases happen. But more cases happen in the boy scouts. And more protestant ministers have affairs and hire prostitutes. We as catholics dont slam their pastors for these scandals .But it seems the other christians out there are too immature to just brush these few idiotic priests by.
superdubman999 1 year ago
@superdubman999 What sort of cases???
eraser695 1 year ago
@eraser695 Many cases of priests abusing boys.
superdubman999 1 year ago
@superdubman999 Yes but you cannot blame all the priests just because of the deed of one or two. This is an injustice to other priests. The cases dated are of 17th to 18th century not 21st century. Mind it also...
eraser695 1 year ago
@eraser695 Thats exactly what im trying to say. Protestants love to bash us for sex abuse scandals. When the rate of priest to sex abuse is much smaller than protestant minister to adultery or hiring prostitutes is much higher
superdubman999 1 year ago
@superdubman999 Oh yes.... I have heard. Many Protestants' Pastoras ( Lady Ministers ) are prostitutes. Even I have heard and seen many Ministers referring Anal Sex. They also use inappropriate language with Bible in their hands. They also ask for money many times and force the people to give them donations.... Benny Hinn is a Great example...
eraser695 1 year ago
@eraser695 Actually Paul says that women should not lead as pastors and such in a church. He said this not because women have a lesser place, but for exactly that reason of them acting as prostitutes. If you do some research into Pauls speaking against women as pastors you learn alot. But yes there is much corruption. Catholic or protestant, i just pray for it to end and for hypocrites to stop seeing the splinter in our christian brothers eyes.
superdubman999 1 year ago
@eraser695
"Many Protestants' Pastoras ( Lady Ministers ) are prostitutes."
Let's not get carried away. I am Catholic, but making statements like this is not right. I also doubt that you can substantiate this.
It is bad enough when the anti-Catholics present information that they heard or read from uncredible sources. Let's be better than that.
baldonebear 1 year ago
@steventhestudent Where in the bible does it mentioned the Trinity? Not in there also. It was the Catholic Church which defines it.
But in any case, Read Maccabees to learn more about Purgatory.
By the way, it is not a good thing to generalize the whole population of the priesthood to be phedopiles, only 4% of whom betray the faith by engaging into sexual abuse....doing so, you might wanna judge the apostles by the action of Judas.
Rethirnk your position.
nilofc 1 year ago
@nilofc Good Defended. Awesome Sire....
eraser695 1 year ago
@steventhestudent in the same chapter 5 verses down where it talks about the Holy Trinity
VWBORIQUEN 1 year ago
@steventhestudent
Purgatory is referenced explicitly in 1st Corinthians and our Lord hints at it a number of times
sonofmary1 1 year ago
@steventhestudent Jesus talks about Purgatory = grinding of teeth, where the fire never extinguish, Gehana, worms never die!
fancullo 1 year ago
@steventhestudent It certainly mentions an intermediate state to which the soul of Christ went after His death on the cross. 1 Pet. III., 19. This state was neither heaven nor hell, but the Limbo of the Fathers of the Old Law. In addition to this, Scripture mentions the purgatorial state.
Gatta9 1 year ago
1-@steventhestudent In Matt. V., 26, Christ, in condemning sin, speaks of liberation only after expiation. "Thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing." In Matt. XII., 32, He speaks of sin which "shall not be forgiven either in this world or in the world to come."
Gatta9 1 year ago
2-@steventhestudent Any remission of the effects of sin in the next world can refer only to purgatory. Above all St. Paul tells us that the day of judgment will try each man's work. That day is after death, when the soul goes to meet its God.
Gatta9 1 year ago
3-@steventhestudent What is the result of that judgment? If a man's work will not stand the test St. Paul says that "he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire." 1 Cor. III., 15. This cannot refer to eternal loss in hell, for no one is saved there. Nor can it refer to heaven, for there is no suffering in heaven.
Gatta9 1 year ago
4-@steventhestudent Purgatory alone can explain this text As a matter of fact, all Christians believed in purgatory until the Reformation, when the reformers began their rejection of Christian doctrines at will.
Gatta9 1 year ago
5-@steventhestudent Prayer for the dead was ever the prevailing custom, in accordance with the recommendation of the Bible itself. "It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from their sins." 2 Mach. XII., 46. Prayer for the dead supposes a soul not in heaven where it does not need the help of prayer, nor in hell where prayer cannot assist it.
Gatta9 1 year ago
6-@steventhestudent Some intermediate state of purification and need, where prayer can help, is necessary. And the doctrine is most reasonable. "Nothing defiled shall enter heaven." Rev. XXL, 27. Yet not all defilement should cost man the loss of his soul.
Gatta9 1 year ago
7-@steventhestudent Even in this life human justice does not inflict capital punishment for every crime. Small offenses are punished by fines or by temporary imprisonment, after which the delinquent is liberated. Those who deny purgatory teach the harder and more unreasonable doctrine.
Gatta9 1 year ago
@steventhestudent Do you believe in the TRINITY?Please refer me to scripture and verse where the actual word TRINITY can be found .
If its not in your bible then why do you believe it?
Gatta9 1 year ago
@steventhestudent Where does it mention The Trinity?
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newcovenantjournal 1 year ago
its more usual for a catholic to convert to protestanism.
steventhestudent 1 year ago
@steventhestudent There are a lot of protestants , especially protestant ministers, converting to Catholicism. If they are truly open to the truth and study the early Church Fathers they would have no choice but to convert.
nacepf 1 year ago
@nacepf actually i have gone through (part) of the process of converting to catholicism. but i am having a lot of doubts truthfully.
steventhestudent 1 year ago
@nacepf I guess I have a problem with reconciling Catholicism's focus on grace through works with the Bible verse "It is not by works that you are saved but by faith" Martin Luther, as a Catholic monk, certainly studied the early Church Fathers.
steventhestudent 1 year ago
@steventhestudent, What on earth are you reading that gives you the (incorrect) impression that the Catholic Church teaches savlation by works? Can I offer you a proper reading list? For something that is accessible online, consider reading: JOINT DECLARATION ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION (signed by officials from the Lutheran World Federation & the Vatican in 1999). Are you aware that the Christian Reform (Calvinist) profs at Notre Dame are now big fans of Aquinas' doctrine of grace?
vincet2009 1 year ago
@nacepf Haha in Pakistani the protestant factory has been cooled down. Now the people are reading Bible and coming back to the Holy Mother Church.
eraser695 1 year ago
@steventhestudent This is due largely in part to the fact that many, many Catholics are very poorly catechized.
agentjs09 1 year ago
@steventhestudent Most of the time when a Catholic converts it's because their strength in faith isn't with the Lord. Now they will probably argue with that, because as truly Christian as they are no one wants to hear something like that. But, when you break it down you have to look at why they are leaving: Chances are they aren't fully studied or aware of the Church, The Roman Catholic Church has a ton of history and is very complicated, something most people don't like to dive into.
KeenanxMhoon 1 year ago
@KeenanxMhoon Martin Luther's faith CERTAINLY was with the Lord. "By faith not by works"....
steventhestudent 1 year ago
@steventhestudent So it would be very easy for a "Bible Christian" to come along and thwart their perspective on how Christianity "should" be, at least through their eyes. But again this isn't about opinions from different "men", it's about what God wills and what Christ handed down to us through his apostles. Secondly the people I have met that left home (Christ's Church) were bored and tired of going to mass. This just shows that they are at Church for the flesh, for the people not for God.
KeenanxMhoon 1 year ago
@steventhestudent For if you were truly involved in your Faith you would have no problem sitting through a Mass and devouring anything taught that week or simply accepting the Eucharist. I mean come on it's a true Miracle experienced every week so that we can be filled with the Holy Spirit and not lose sight of God's path for us. Plus the Protestant approach to worship has a more free spirited feel to it 9 times outta 10. If someone leaves home because they are bored or side swiped by biased
KeenanxMhoon 1 year ago
@KeenanxMhoon Martin Luther, as a Catholic cleric, felt no closeness to God during Mass or accepting Eucharist. He also did not like the Catholic Church''s use of indulgences to buy one's soul out of Purgatory.
steventhestudent 1 year ago
@steventhestudent On his death bed Martin Luther confessed that he regretted leaving the Catholic faith.
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@steventhestudent approaches to validate their leaving then they are losing sight that it's about being in the house of God, and not in the house of the flesh. Don't go to Church because of the people. Go because it's the house of God and we are here to worship him.
KeenanxMhoon 1 year ago
@steventhestudent James 2:24 Besides your seriously placing Martin Luther ahead of Christ? And the church he established that has lasted ever since? It was around for 1,500 years before Martin Luther came along and thought he could rebuild a Church of that Caliber. A single "human man" cannot and will not ever be able to "create" a Church of God that isn't from God, it's that simple. Martin Luther (or any descendant of Protestantism) never had/has a direct mission from God to rebuild his Church.
KeenanxMhoon 1 year ago
@KeenanxMhoon Martin Luther was all about putting Christ and the actual doctrine of the Bible first.
steventhestudent 1 year ago
@steventhestudent No, Luther was all about miss interpreting the book of Romans and telling the entire Roman Catholic Church that they were wrong on the subject of Sola Fide. This one man seriously thought he could re-write God's law and commands because he saw them suiting to his personal beliefs. This is why there is only one church and anything outside of it is not only false but untraceable to Christ. The Roman Catholic Church is the only Church that can be traced back to Christ, period.
KeenanxMhoon 1 year ago
@steventhestudent...The question remains, who gave Luther the authority to reinterpret Christian doctrine regarding faith and morals? Are we to believe Luther just because he said so? I'll tell you one good thing about Luther. At least he had the decency to not elevate himself into a position of authority like King Henry VIII did with the Church of England. Instead, Luther placed authority on the Bible itself, and therefore giving rise to the weak doctrine of Sola Scriptura.
LatinRiteChristian 1 year ago
@steventhestudent
If you were referring to the 1980's then you would be right. Today it is the other way round, many protestants turn to the Catholic Church as they have found out that it is historically and doctrinally correct. I see it within my own Chuch too.
SolaCatholica 1 year ago
@SolaCatholica
Something Protestants often forget: they keep harping on a "transcendent God" but they destroyed all of the Catholic-Orthodox spiritual and liturgical practices to move man/woman to transcendence which is hard to do with a barren builiding with a Cross-if you are lucky--with a guy reading the Bible to you, preaching and singing hymns--and that's it.
RPenta 1 year ago
@steventhestudent not true, look at all the anglicans, methodists, and lutherans who are joining the catholic church. Parts of the Anglican and Lutheran Churches themselves are even seeking full communion with Rome. I myself am a catholic convert from protestantism.
willthacheerleader18 1 year ago
@steventhestudent, raw numbers don't tell the whole story. Evangelical Christian scholar Mark A. Noll, in his influential book, THE SCANDAL OF THE EVANGELICAL MIND, lamented that while the conversion number ratio strongly favors evangelical Protestantism, the conversion quality ratio greatly favors Catholicism. He spoke of a brain drain of the best & the brightest (intellectuals, academics) in the Evangelical world in favor of Catholic Christianity, a phenomenon which continues unabated.
vincet2009 1 year ago
@steventhestudent .it's other way around brother. only those weak in their faith went to protestants. anyone truly seeking for the truth with no bias and invoke God's enlightenment will surely find himself in the Catholic Church.throughout history,catholics were persecutd,beheaded and many more in order to give up the faith but it only increases the faith because Jesus warned us that what happend to Him will also hapen to us.who are persecuting the catholics now? i gues u knw wat i mean.
mrviray 1 year ago