Pul - India's relationship with Afghanistan

[komodo8887]

20 percent of pakistani budget goes to military,it has only 2.6 percent GDP growth,

India's defence budget is more than the entire pakistani budget,if we want to attack them ,

we aldready would,we do not want war,we need peace,good economy,prosperity not for India alone ,but also for Pakistan,Afghanistan,Srilanka,­Bangladesh,Most Indian's prefer a European union kind of relationship with our nehibours,NOT war.

[hashpuppy101]

guys. stop chasing eutopia. no one is gonna leave palestine, kashmir and all muslim lands coz there are legitimate claims from either sides. the terrorists cannot take the position that unless "every one" leaves,this Jihad will continue.thats way too idealistic for the world to deal with.Jews got a raw deal in WW2,we dun see them bursting german bakeries.The key is to engage the enemy and negotiate.Gandhi is still relevant.

[ashrafpopal1]

gener, canada is very active in afghansitan in all fields especially malitarily. the were the main combat force in kandahar for years.

[fcgfgcfg]

Everyone wants to go to war, very few want to be part of nation building.Nation building is the future of diplomacy, invading countries with military no matter how complex your weapons are has FAILED. The Americans will vouch for that. I am not sure if it will boost the millitary image of a country but let's hope it brings something positive for Afghans. They truly deserve it after 2 decades of violent war.

[BCAlison]

Unfortunately, India hasn't done anything other than 'pledging'. These pledges were made in 2005-2006 and no development or plans have been put forward since then. I was reading on Asia Times that India does not support UN/US efforts of rebuilding Afghanistan on the ground, only on paper and for PR. That makes me wonder why are we throwing so much money at Afghanistan problem when no one else seems committed.

[sulfunn]

@BCAlison may be bcoz it's ur government which has destroyed afghanistan for decades to use it against ussr...its ur government which gave birth to binladen n his al-queda....u retard !! its us and pak which destroyed the morale of afghanistan and turned it into a barbaric state.....and now u r paying a nice price for dat ......goddame fuckers!! n never expect others to pay it for u........

[BCAlison]

@sulfunn 1. You do know I am Canadian, rite? So please show me how my government has 'destroyed Afghanistan for decades'?

2. Assuming you are correct, which you aren't, how does it help in the current situation? India is a member of UN and UN is leading the developmental efforts in Afghanistan. By not supporting UN resolutions for development, India is maliciously sabotaging the efforts.

3. Swearing isnt going to change the reality either :)

[sulfunn]

@BCAlison 1. Sorry if u r a Canadian

2. U r wrong, India is playing a constructive role in rebuilding Afganistan. It cannot afford to maliciously sabotage the developmental works in Afghanistan. get ur facts right !

3. If u r referring to the delays in the 'monetary aid' plz bear in mind dat India is not a rich country.

[BCAlison]

@sulfunn 1. Thanks.

2. Facts? Here's an analysis piece by Peter Lee from AsiaTimes (bit.ly / nT34Au). It details the prevailing mentality among Indian diplomats. They're hoping to use Bollywood to influence Afghanistan. Seriously? People of Afghanistan need more movies & music? Why did US ever went to war? They should've just used Hollywood! India's relations with Karzai regime are on the rocks and Karzai has embraced Pakistan as a result. Sad!

3. Poor? India's GDP is above $1.4T.

[sulfunn]

@BCAlison 1. nice of you

2. India believes in winning over the peoples hearts. In case of Afghans it is not so easy for India considering the fact that the people of Afghanistan were exposed to long term anti-Indian sentiments by Pak backed Taliban. Indian embassy in Afghanistan was bombed twice recently. So naturally India is concerned such attacks may increase if it started any projects on the Afghan land before the root cause of the attacks which is active in Pak is eliminated completely.

[BCAlison]

@sulfunn 2. This doesn't help the cause of rebuilding Afghanistan. And it simply proves the point that I made earlier i.e. India is hesitant to make a move in Afghanistan which is strengthening Pakistan, that certainly isn't good.

India is simply playing a PR role in development of Afghanistan and nothing more. You seem to agree yourself.

[saptarsidas]

@BCAlison what is wrong with you lady? seriously!! have you ever heard of soft-power? oh wait you wouldn't understand. i pity you for not being an Indian. i did not want to become an Indian either. i just got lucky. and before you write a rebuttal, note that i am not going to argue with you. you don't deserve to be in a rational argument/debate (and about foreign policy of the world's largest democracy no less).

[BCAlison]

@saptarsidas Does soft-power solves the problem of an average Afghan? Can it provide food? How about shelter? or security? What about education?

India uses its soft-power as a diplomacy tool and there is nothing wrong with it. However it doesn't solve real issues.

My objection is simply that India should be doing real work than playing a PR role. India claims to be a regional power so its only natural that more is expected but India is missing in action. Too difficult to understand?

[generalkunal]

@BCAlison ha ha ha....man...... education....security.....are u here to crack jokes? In my city alone, there are like 1000's of Afgan students pursing their education in various fields,my tiny little city. And u know India is 7th largest country. I got my friends in the military academy,when i check their pics, i see many Afgan youths training with them..... No we dont do anything. Thank you Canada!!!! Actually i didn't here a single act done by Canada,its just usa,uk,Germans,etc.

[generalkunal]

@BCAlison U think setting up vocational training institutes for women is easy in a place is where terrorist are threatening u all the time?Are parliaments built in few days?karzai going close with pakistan?Pakis have had relations with afgans for decades.In what way did they help Afghanistan develop?Its just been 3 yrs Afghans have come close to us and there are news of development programs popping up.U think Karzai and Afghans will abandon us for helping them develop?

[BCAlison]

1. You think going to the moon was easy? Do you think deciphering the human genome was easy? Hate to break it to you but nothing in our Adult life is easy unless you think otherwise.

2. So you are saying that India isn't prepared to face challenges in Afghanistan? Because Canadian soldiers are risking their lives everyday to make Afghanistan a better place, by stalling you're giving the destructive elements in Afghanistan a golden opportunity.

3. Sadly, Karzai already has.

[generalkunal]

@BCAlison Candian risking there lives?will canadians go in afganistan if there are two neighboring countries ready to wage wars, at a least opportunity they get?How many terrorists attacks had canadians faced?How many enemies does canada have who'll go to any extent to break down and divide that country?how many terrorist infiltration's does canada face every year?how many illegal immigrants come to canada every year?

[BCAlison]

@generalkunal Canadians are already in Afghanistan risking their lives and developing communities unlike Indians who are sitting on the sidelines.

All your questions are deflections from the real issue which seems to have angered you, little man. Truth simply can't be hidden behind un-intelligible questions. I like to post my questions:

Have you taken your meds?

[generalkunal]

@BCAlison u won!!!!! What do u want now? How bout a dick?Not!!!!! I don't let shadow of dumb cunts fall on me.Sorry but thats the way iam,canadian "super girl". Now fly and kill the Taliban,we'll do as we wish. Got a problem?do something about it.

[BadAss708]

@BCAlison

Canada is more active than Indian in Afghanistan.

LOL nice joke

[diabolikalmistry]

@BCAlison Its because india dont stick their noses into other peoples business, we have our own problems to deal with first and foremost plus their are American/British/French and Canadian forces in Afghanistan from what i hear now, HOW MANY MORE DO YOU NEED?!!!! ITS COMMON SCENE

LIVE AND LET LIVE!!! FFS

[generalkunal]

@BCAlison We are helping afgans in every possible ways we can and if there was a problem,it will be the afgans complaining.

[BCAlison]

@generalkunal There are problems you are just suffering from conformation bias, hence anything said is quickly reject as a defense mechanism. Sure you can live with your delusion, just don't start believing in them.

[generalkunal]

@BCAlison Bollywood?There are plenty of Asian and mideast countries who love bollywood movies.U think we try to influence them too.Even pakis watch bollywood movies?can u answer why they do so.We have come out to be among'st top 5 donors who help rebuilding Afghans with donating almost 2 bill $ even with we,our self suffering terrorism and threats from chinese and pakis.Did canada ever go to war on its land?It is u who is fooling urself or ur one of the person who doesn't wanna see us succeed.

[BCAlison]

@sulfunn 4. India is more concerned with geo-politics than Afghanistan's development. India pledged back in 2006 to rebuild Kabul's parliament, staff doctors, build schools etc. As of 2011, nothing has started. As a matter of fact, no plans have been put forwards and construction haven't started on any project. Where as US, Canada, etc. have finished their construction programs.

India is situated in close proximity to Afghanistan and yet nothing has been done. Let's not fool ourselves. :)

[sulfunn]

@BCAlison 3. India's GDP may be $1.4T but its per capita income is not that of a developed country. it is still a developing country. It can hardly afford any large scale rebuilding projects outside India..a cause of delay.

4. A better Geo-Polical strategy is necessary for the stability of the whole region. It needs to act with strategies else everything may end up a fiasco for India which it cannot let happen.

[BCAlison]

@sulfunn 3. $1.4T is a lot of money, its not chum change. Second, India voluntarily pledged billions in development for Afghanistan. Now if it couldn't build what it has pledged than simply let everyone know so others can pickup your slack. By delaying what India has pledged your playing into the hands of Taliban.

4. If you don't want a 'fiasco' then perhaps you should start the pledged developments instead of stalling them. Unless, India isn't interested in stabilizing Afghanistan.

[sulfunn]

@BCAlison 5. Any increase of Indian involvement in Afghan will intimidate Pak and they may use ISI-Taliban links to organize more deadly attcks against Indians and hamper developmental works. Even NATO is not immune to such attcks

6. Despite the continued attcks on Indians, India still has a number of engineers, doctors, teachers working in Afghanistan as part of its rebuilding process. Maybe dat's d reason average Afghan people voted India as their favorite in a pole conducted back in Dec-09.

[BCAlison]

@sulfunn 5. Bullocks. The pledges that India made are in NATO controlled territory so shifting the blame on Taliban is nothing but an excuse.

6. Yes and those engineers and doctors were recalled back to India making the situation worst. If you read the article published at AsiaTimes you'll see it specifically credits India for its early help and notes a complete withdrawal in the last 3 years. At the moment, India has *NO* humanitarian missions in Afghanistan.

[sulfunn]

@BCAlison I don know if Afghan people are complaining against India as much as you do. But any way I don' want to reiterate the same points again. Please consider yourself reading this article 'Afghanistan: India's Uncertain Road' which appeared on Monday, Apr. 11, 2011 in time(dot)com.

Also to know how our neighbor is concerned about india's involvement in their 'strategic depth'(afghanistan) read the article 'India to help Afghanistan build 12 dams on Kabul River' in thenews(dot)com(dot)pk

[BCAlison]

@sulfunn The articles you posted are a series of excuses for NOT HELPING AFGHANS. I read through them carefully and they are nothing but rants.

So the Indians don't want to help Afghans because of a retired general?? That's childish.

[sulfunn]

@BCAlison Those losers think that by building hydro-electric projects in the Indian side of Kashmir, India is diverting the water flow to their country. And they are applying the same logic in Afghanistan also.

And to know even more pls visit

rtn(dot)asia/(452_indias-full-­military-plans-afghanistan-hol­d-over-us-sensitivities)

As long as ur mention of moon mission is concerned, some scientists believe that it is the biggest hoax of the 20th century. Google moon-hoax / conspiracy theory

[BCAlison]

@sulfunn 1. What are you talking about? The project is for Afghanistan which has been all but abandoned, where does Kashmir come into this??

2. If you believe in Hoaxes then you are an idiot. I repeat, IDIOT.

[generalkunal]

@BCAlison I don't understand what do people like u achieve by defaming us.India has completed the road connecting Afghanistan with Iran.11 Indians and 130 Afghans lost their lives while doing so. Every year there are 500 Afghans who receive scholarships to study in top most institutes of India.We train Afghan nationals in our military academy and there are plenty of them in our management institutes and top colleges.U think development program in a war tore country is easy?

[BCAlison]

@generalkunal 1. No one is defaming India. I'm simply pointing out the obvious and if you feel otherwise than there is nothing I can do about it.

2. I'm pointing to the fact that India has been stalling developmental efforts in Afghanistan and only 'pledging' billions. Sure it made strides but India has gone cold turkey on Karzai after the outcome of second elections which is kind of stupid because its the people that you are helping, not Karzai. Stating the obvious again.