A suspected VC sympathizer could be any rural South Vietnamese what-so-ever, and it was defined thusly on purpose. It was an excuse to exterminate the entire southern rural population, and carpet bombing was utilized to vaporize refugee camps full of villagers that had fled their habitation to undeveloped hinterland as combat had savaged their homes.
Phoenix was a damned good and a very effective program against the Viet Cong. If it had been started years earlier, it would have won the Vietnam War for South Vietnam and her allies. Komer and Colby knew what they were doing.
@talbot5445 If it had been started years earlier, there would not have been enough targets to justify such an effort.
For the years 58-63 the US Special Forces had to arm enough of the rebels and then sufficiently antagonize them (by slaughtering hamlets), to guarantee a sufficiently large enough target in the rural areas of South Vietnam to justify the full blown invasion of the south by 1965.
An INSURGENCY (meaning the border crossers from the north) did not materialize until 65-66.
In 71 the Media had there way, as is brought out in the R, that I mentioned below, but Phoenix was exonerated just a couple years later from the exagerated BS that anti-Americans still use? And it seems to still work. One could not just say "He's a commie"...or scratch their head. There were 3 tiers that needed to be past before the person was considered an enemy...and then the mission was to "flip" them, which wasn't hard to do, cuz f u left VC...you were marked for death. Is the BS funner?
Congrats...You've just been manipulated by the Media[GAG] Go over and click on "Vietnam War-Impact of the Media, for the truth." The removal of "bad people" [Vicious VC killers] is referred to as "Neutralization", BUT that did not equate with "Killing"! Yes...murdering vicious killers were executed. BUT again, ALL VC who gave up to Phoenix were returned or relocated. EVERY PRU indiginous soldier....and there were thousands...that helped the US, were EX VC!!
The Phoenix Program was shot through with enemy double agents. The CIA even admitted that it was so thoroughly penetrated by Communist agents that the program was useless.
@telfer880 That assumes that the objective was to pacify the south, to win the war against communism, and to leave behind an intact independent republic.
The aim of phoenix and the war at large was to depopulate vietnam, to utterly RUIN all of Indochina for the forseeable future, and to prolong the conflict at a maximum rate of carnage & destruction for as long as possible.
the rich sent the poor to vietnam, the rich kids protested the poor sent to vietnam,now they say things like this ,only a stupid fool would believe this ,and dont send me your mail i wont read it ,but you did read mine.
America, the biggest terrorist. They go into those countries and commit mass murder and destruction until they get a subdued population that will accept economic domination and exploitation of labour.
PRU advisors would have never been talking about Secret War, if they hadn't found out about War Criminal Kissinger's exterminations. What is the point of 4 SEALs +12 PRUs crawling 1 week into a VC basecamp in & out to capture VCI and get chased all the way out in a hair raising slaughter fest, if that sick-O pervert criminal is just going to carpet bomb, mass murder and spray with agents to slaughter every man, woman, child and farm animal in the RSVN?
rofl... what a fuckin jonke - this video.... hey asshole... quit reading off WIKIPEDIA ... ASS MUNCH!!!! Do your own research...... rofl,,,,,,, monumental fail......
A nationwide BackChannel Information Netwerk enables things like this to go on---Unqualified information is given to store employees and 'mystery' shoppers--to make the gangstalked individual look like a terrible person--or guilty of some crime. Padded files with false police reports--planted evidence, things stolen in their vicinity, and clogging the store line in front of them--are some Nazi tactics used against American citizens in the New Security Market---for Big Business--and CONTROL\\
Sorry kids but war has no rules other than defeat your enemy by any and all means available. This applies at all times. The only thing that changes is the names of the countries and generals. The Geneva Conventions are a thin facade of civility over the grim face of reality. Now go to bed.
@tubing1944 so sacrifice any moral integrity because it makes you a 'realist' and hardass. you must be a real cool dude. i wish i could be as hard as you. then i'd be a real man );
@tubing1944@tubing1944 so sacrifice any moral integrity because it makes you a 'realist' and hardass. you must be a real cool dude. i wish i could be as hard as you. then i'd be a real man );
The US is a vile & evil nation & this vid just exposes one of their many crimes. I read the comments & no American fuck is even denouncing his evil nations crimes.Ah Well.... what goes around comes around. Soon the americans will get theirs, for what they have done to the rest of the world
What abuot the North Vietnam did to our people and cilivans, also wha the other countries and the crimes they have committed like Russia, China, and Iran.
after 9/11 ,there's been over 100,000 deaths in the arab world ,gee i wonder why? in order to keep our homeland safe we must wreak havoc on somebody else's backyard ,i hope it's a good investment
Hey just because someone doesn't prefer premature death and toruture doesn't make them a pussy...check that motherfucker! Also you probably don't know what a liveral is...you might find out you are one !!!
So: the "big secret" is that we prosecuted the war in a similar manner as our enemy? some agents of Phoenix were trusted to engage in other secret ops too? my, how shocking. Every time there is a specific fact to be presented, people get rather vague and colloquial. Grow up.
The Army did not expose Abu Gharaib. Photos sent by soldiers back to friends and families in America. It was leaked by Americans back home to reporters. I suspect there is more of the same at other prisons but unreported.
You may be correct. I may be wrong. I just saw clips of Army spokesman announce the issue on CNN. (I realize that the Army asked one of the stations -- CBS? -- to keep it under wraps for a while.) Good for the honest soldiers.
This is the new warfare and war is hell. The idea behind mind control warfare is "it's non-lethal." There is going to be a moral battle here soon between those in power on the use of mind control and non-lethal warfare.
This narrator misses a vital point.
A suspected VC sympathizer could be any rural South Vietnamese what-so-ever, and it was defined thusly on purpose. It was an excuse to exterminate the entire southern rural population, and carpet bombing was utilized to vaporize refugee camps full of villagers that had fled their habitation to undeveloped hinterland as combat had savaged their homes.
centurion180ad 2 months ago
Phoenix was a damned good and a very effective program against the Viet Cong. If it had been started years earlier, it would have won the Vietnam War for South Vietnam and her allies. Komer and Colby knew what they were doing.
talbot5445 3 months ago
@talbot5445 If it had been started years earlier, there would not have been enough targets to justify such an effort.
For the years 58-63 the US Special Forces had to arm enough of the rebels and then sufficiently antagonize them (by slaughtering hamlets), to guarantee a sufficiently large enough target in the rural areas of South Vietnam to justify the full blown invasion of the south by 1965.
An INSURGENCY (meaning the border crossers from the north) did not materialize until 65-66.
centurion180ad 2 months ago
In 71 the Media had there way, as is brought out in the R, that I mentioned below, but Phoenix was exonerated just a couple years later from the exagerated BS that anti-Americans still use? And it seems to still work. One could not just say "He's a commie"...or scratch their head. There were 3 tiers that needed to be past before the person was considered an enemy...and then the mission was to "flip" them, which wasn't hard to do, cuz f u left VC...you were marked for death. Is the BS funner?
Pr1813 4 months ago
Congrats...You've just been manipulated by the Media[GAG] Go over and click on "Vietnam War-Impact of the Media, for the truth." The removal of "bad people" [Vicious VC killers] is referred to as "Neutralization", BUT that did not equate with "Killing"! Yes...murdering vicious killers were executed. BUT again, ALL VC who gave up to Phoenix were returned or relocated. EVERY PRU indiginous soldier....and there were thousands...that helped the US, were EX VC!!
Pr1813 4 months ago
The Phoenix Program was shot through with enemy double agents. The CIA even admitted that it was so thoroughly penetrated by Communist agents that the program was useless.
telfer880 4 months ago
@telfer880 That assumes that the objective was to pacify the south, to win the war against communism, and to leave behind an intact independent republic.
The aim of phoenix and the war at large was to depopulate vietnam, to utterly RUIN all of Indochina for the forseeable future, and to prolong the conflict at a maximum rate of carnage & destruction for as long as possible.
At this, phoenix was a remarkable success.
centurion180ad 2 months ago
Scumbags. Why aren't they in jail?
OrthodoxDarwinist 6 months ago
@OrthodoxDarwinist The names and faces in this video, are the disgusting minions of the mass murdering Debt Syndicate.
These Crime Against Humanity perpetrators, are above the law.
They ARE the law.
centurion180ad 2 months ago
the rich sent the poor to vietnam, the rich kids protested the poor sent to vietnam,now they say things like this ,only a stupid fool would believe this ,and dont send me your mail i wont read it ,but you did read mine.
troytblevins 9 months ago
was this made by a protest group,someone should tell them the war is over.
troytblevins 9 months ago
America, the biggest terrorist. They go into those countries and commit mass murder and destruction until they get a subdued population that will accept economic domination and exploitation of labour.
buddhasknowbest 9 months ago
@buddhasknowbest
Notice how whenever the US wants to illegally mass-murder a bunch of people, they FIRST label them "terrorists".
OrthodoxDarwinist 6 months ago
PRU advisors would have never been talking about Secret War, if they hadn't found out about War Criminal Kissinger's exterminations. What is the point of 4 SEALs +12 PRUs crawling 1 week into a VC basecamp in & out to capture VCI and get chased all the way out in a hair raising slaughter fest, if that sick-O pervert criminal is just going to carpet bomb, mass murder and spray with agents to slaughter every man, woman, child and farm animal in the RSVN?
South Vietnam was being exterminated.
centurion180ad 9 months ago
Ding wad YOU LIE it was mainly to get the vc tax collectors
binoculord 10 months ago
neutralization doesn't just refer to killing
Kochopsticks11 1 year ago
rofl... what a fuckin jonke - this video.... hey asshole... quit reading off WIKIPEDIA ... ASS MUNCH!!!! Do your own research...... rofl,,,,,,, monumental fail......
Sexxistentialist 1 year ago
Phoenix Program.... Excellent... FUCK ALL RAT EXCREMENT COMMIES!
Sexxistentialist 1 year ago
But at may have worked!
glenizett 1 year ago
This guy's voice is too annoying for me to keep my focus on the documentary!
wynhun 1 year ago
A nationwide BackChannel Information Netwerk enables things like this to go on---Unqualified information is given to store employees and 'mystery' shoppers--to make the gangstalked individual look like a terrible person--or guilty of some crime. Padded files with false police reports--planted evidence, things stolen in their vicinity, and clogging the store line in front of them--are some Nazi tactics used against American citizens in the New Security Market---for Big Business--and CONTROL\\
lifevorce 2 years ago
Sorry kids but war has no rules other than defeat your enemy by any and all means available. This applies at all times. The only thing that changes is the names of the countries and generals. The Geneva Conventions are a thin facade of civility over the grim face of reality. Now go to bed.
tubing1944 2 years ago
@tubing1944 how old r u?
attnevery1 1 year ago
@tubing1944 so sacrifice any moral integrity because it makes you a 'realist' and hardass. you must be a real cool dude. i wish i could be as hard as you. then i'd be a real man );
idavid24 1 year ago
@tubing1944 @tubing1944 so sacrifice any moral integrity because it makes you a 'realist' and hardass. you must be a real cool dude. i wish i could be as hard as you. then i'd be a real man );
idavid24 1 year ago
@idavid24
Tell me more about this "moral integrity" in war? Can you educate me on which country in history followed this theory?
MonsterMauler 1 year ago
@idavid24 I glad we'r not all as soft as you.
davetileguy 10 months ago
The US is a vile & evil nation & this vid just exposes one of their many crimes. I read the comments & no American fuck is even denouncing his evil nations crimes.Ah Well.... what goes around comes around. Soon the americans will get theirs, for what they have done to the rest of the world
drmnys 2 years ago
What abuot the North Vietnam did to our people and cilivans, also wha the other countries and the crimes they have committed like Russia, China, and Iran.
lovejen01 2 years ago
Malta control the CIA, much like they did the Nazis if Germany?
Plus, did not Jesus say this? "Pull out the two by four out of your eye,
leonvoltaire 2 years ago
@drmnys I doubt it...
HDiGITTY 1 year ago
after 9/11 ,there's been over 100,000 deaths in the arab world ,gee i wonder why? in order to keep our homeland safe we must wreak havoc on somebody else's backyard ,i hope it's a good investment
mytran80 2 years ago
Gravel Kucinich Paul Nader -
The truth is powerful.
ryanshaunkelly 4 years ago
Hey just because someone doesn't prefer premature death and toruture doesn't make them a pussy...check that motherfucker! Also you probably don't know what a liveral is...you might find out you are one !!!
dianeliebowitz 4 years ago
Thank you for this informative film short...I'm curious...what is your motivation and objective?
Don't these people still remain somewhat dangerous to civilians...I mean if they kill their own comrads...thats kinda psychotic wouldn't you say?
dianeliebowitz 4 years ago
are you suggesting just living quietly in fear until the next holocaust? -no where to run, no where to hide...
stemcellfilms 4 years ago
What do you know about war, loadeddiaper? Just another chickenhawk.
tigerone1970 4 years ago
So: the "big secret" is that we prosecuted the war in a similar manner as our enemy? some agents of Phoenix were trusted to engage in other secret ops too? my, how shocking. Every time there is a specific fact to be presented, people get rather vague and colloquial. Grow up.
kenfo0 4 years ago
The Army did not expose Abu Gharaib. Photos sent by soldiers back to friends and families in America. It was leaked by Americans back home to reporters. I suspect there is more of the same at other prisons but unreported.
whyicare 4 years ago
You may be correct. I may be wrong. I just saw clips of Army spokesman announce the issue on CNN. (I realize that the Army asked one of the stations -- CBS? -- to keep it under wraps for a while.) Good for the honest soldiers.
dilbertgeg 4 years ago
Couldn't have said it better, dilbertgeg.
SmokescreenNinjaz 4 years ago
Vietnam as the paradigm for the current program in the USA.
marsboy683 5 years ago
thanks, marsboy.
SmokescreenNinjaz 4 years ago
CIA deaths squads in Vietnam.... Iraq....Europe...USA?
CIA involvement in 9 11...
indulf 5 years ago
This is the new warfare and war is hell. The idea behind mind control warfare is "it's non-lethal." There is going to be a moral battle here soon between those in power on the use of mind control and non-lethal warfare.
cedarvalley 5 years ago
13 000 Terrorist poperation by CIA 1947-1987
3000 major one (SOURCE: CIA STATION CHIEF, JOHN R. STOCKWELL)
wwwPNACATTACKcom 5 years ago
USA? Look up COINTELPRO.
marisiriella 4 years ago