1983 Roosevelt International Trot - Roosevelt Raceway

[xXeMokiDXxMCRXx]

Idéal Du Gazeau is my trotter Grandfather :D I couldn't believe it when i found out! Idéal is so beautiful and just amazing!

[lgla]

A magical race that brings back so many memories - I was back home in Sweden listening to the broadcasting of the race - supporting Legolas :)

[all4pharlap]

I didnt think they had Harness racing in france??

do they have harness racing in japan

[SteveSparx]

Savoir w Del Insko!!!!

[raygordon2]

The horse was parked ALL FIVE TURNS ON A HALF-MILE TRACK.

He sat there, stalked, and won when asked. Push-button horse with a lot more in the tank than he needed to show, hence the slow time. The French aren't obsessed with time, and the track was a highway the next year.

If the field was so weak, why did Ideal pay 9-2?

[Wallyhorse]

Again:

"Ideal" would likely have not been able to deal with the faster paces of Lutin D'Isgny in the 1984 and '85 Internationals or Reve du'Don in 1990 or '91 when the International was at Yonkers.

[raygordon2]

When a horse wins, you can never be sure how much faster it could have run.

Ideal won too many races, in places where time does not matter to trainers and drivers, and where every horse in a race is running stratgically rather than tactically.

[Bemmsheini]

the last commends shows me that the americans do not have much kompetence...

even the commentator can speak the name of ideal du gazeau correctly .....and lutin disigny...hahaha ... maybe ourasi

[SteveSparx]

Jack E Lee is one of the best track announcers EVER in US History. Do your homework b4 embarrassing yourself w/ pronunciation issues. Been 2 Roosevelt Raceway 1000s of x. Take it 2 the bank.

[televin]

I stand corrected...Ideal de Gazeau was nothing but an overrated C-2 trotter...

[Wallyhorse]

I never said "Ideal" was an overrated C-2 trotter. What I did say was simply that "Ideal" would have had a hard time if he had to face Lutin D'Isgny in the 1984 or '85 Internationals (again, the two fastest ever at Roosevelt), Meadow Road in the Statue of Liberty across the Hudson at The Meadowlands in 1985 or Reve du'Don in the 1990 or '91 Internationals at Yonkers (which were both trotted in then-world record time of 2:28 3/5 for 1 1/4 miles).

[Wallyhorse]

And of course, I forgot to mention Peace Corps, who beat Reve du'Don in the '91 Internation with a much easier trip.

[Wallyhorse]

And of course, I forgot to include Peace Corps, who beat Reve du'Don in the 1991 Internation with a much better trip (as Reve du'Don was parked the whole way in the '90 International and parked for a mile in the '91 International).

[blcfny98]

the driver also showed great patience and confidence in his charge. awesome driver! what's his name?

[RooseveltRaceway]

Ideal du Gazeau is one of the greatest trotter's ever. His driver/trainer was Eugene Lefevre

[blcfny98]

ideal du gazeau was the real deal. parked most of the mile and a quarter. talk about class...

[Wallyhorse]

Except for one thing:

The fractions of the 1983 International were ridiculously slow (three-quarters in 1:36, the mile in 2:06). Even parked the entire mile and a quarter, he would have had no excuses in that International (and I was at Roosevelt that night). C-2 (or today NW $2,000 in the last six) trotters could do the parked-out bit with those fractions.

"Ideal" would have had a hard time the following two years when Lutin D'Isigny.

[blcfny98]

This horse won the thing three times, Bridger, Bobbo, and Yankee predator, were hard knocking free for allers. The horse was a true champion, and the driver deserves some credit as well.

[Wallyhorse]

I'm sorry, but I think Lutin D'Isgny was a FAR superior trotter to "Ideal", trotting the two fastest Internationals ever at Roosevelt (2:30 in 1984 and 2:31 in '85). While there were faster Internationals after the race moved to Yonkers in 1988, "Lutin's" at the time were the two fastest ever. "Ideal" would have had a very hard time with "Lutin" if they had faced each other.

[televin]

so what excuse did the leader 2nd over and pocket horse have? silly statement

[Wallyhorse]

The pace of the 1983 International was so slow that sitting in the pocket or second over would not have mattered.

You should take a look at the 1990 and '91 Internationals and a trotter named Reve du'Don (correct me on the spelling). He had the trip as "Ideal" and yet trotted a then-world record 2:28 3/5 for 1 1/4 miles, and then almost did it again the following year in the same manner, only being caught late by Peace Corps, one of the great trotting mares of all time.

[televin]

Hit post too soon , I will say that the 1991 International by Reve du Don was spectacular getting parked and almost holding off peace corps who had a much better trip.

I notice times seem to be a big factor for you but the final time of any race has far more to do with the track surface and weather than the actual animal. Using time the great Cam fella , for example , would be quite ordinary by todays standard.

[Wallyhorse]

I know the tracks were considerably faster later on (and of course are FAR faster now than they were even in 1990-'91), however, they were MAYBE a second or so faster in 1990-'91 than they were in 1983-'84, so that's why I said that I did earlier.

I seriously doubt "Ideal" would have been able to win had he had to deal with the faster paces of the 1984 or '85 Internationals against Lutin D'Isgny or the 1990 or '91 Internationals against Reve D' Udon and Peace Corps.