If anyone read the lyrics... I honestly don't think you guys realize what they're trying to say. It's not all about brutal and heaviness, it narrates certain parts of the Bible, New World Order, a new Anti-Christ soon to come. It's truly deepening that a Death Metal band would do such a thing... in every single song. It's all connecting, and you guys should seriously inspect the lyrics and compare it to the Revelations.
@luke7137 im pritty sure if they refuse to beleive in jesus then they dont beleive in the big ol scarry devil :3, im teasing haha srry, but ye the skull is probs just like thier mascot, Ex, iron maiden.
This sounds almost like a Black Dahlia Murder song, or at least that first riff. Haha, hope I don't get flamed too bad for making that comparison... :P
I was about to flame you but it appears your are aware of your own error. However, I would be interested in what song you are refering to for the purpose of my making my own personal comparison.
@HereticNotions Almost a cross between "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" from Deflorate. That is, the pattern in "Denounced" and the notes from "Panorama." Haha, thanks for not just flaming me, by the way, although 3 thought that liking somebody other than JFAC and noticing a similarity is blasphemy. Also kind of sounds like "Worship Only What You Bleed" from Nocturnal.
@HereticNotions Well, first, thank you for holding back the fire until I state my case; but to elaborate, I think it sounds kind of like a cross between "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" from Deflorate. That is, to say, the pattern from "Denounced, Disgraced" and the notes from "Death Panorama." Also, it kind of sounds like "Worship Only What You Bleed" from Nocturnal, but that's an older album, so maybe "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" borrowed from that.
@MrShinanigans Can you maybe... Pull those words into a comprehensible sentence? I have no idea what in the hell you are trying to tell me.
By the way, just for shits and giggles, you go ahead and make 5 albums without repeating any single chord anywhere other than the album it first appeared in. There are only so many, you know.
@851852093114208513, im sorry i'll put it in lamens terms. first of all there are thousands of chords. second of all if you use one chord for each album, it has the same feel and sound. third of all a metal song played in Em will sound nothing like a country or folk song played in the same chord so shut the fuck up because you really dont know what you're talking about
@MrShinanigans That's because, rather than death metal, a country or folk song played in Em (Which you should have referred to as a key, not a chord, in that context), would be of the genres country or folk, respectively. You just destroyed any valid point you may have had when you began; way to go.
@851852093114208513 second that motion. really MrShinanigans, if you dont know your shit, which you obviously dont, dont try and argue on it. you could have just said that they lack variation enough to be interesting. good job making yourself look like a tard.
@851852093114208513 first of all i was wrong a song no matter what genre, played in the same key would have the exact same emotion in any other song played in the same key. second, i still dont know how to read music or anything about the music theory so stop trying to punk me for using the word key instead of chord.
@HereticNotions Well, first, thank you for holding back the fire until I state my case; but to elaborate, I think it sounds kind of like a cross between "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" from Deflorate. That is, to say, the pattern from "Denounced, Disgraced" and the notes from "Death Panorama." Also, it kind of sounds like "Worship Only What You Bleed" from Nocturnal, but that's an older album, so maybe "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" borrowed from that.
@HereticNotions Well, first, thank you for holding back the fire until I state my case; but to elaborate, I think it sounds kind of like a cross between "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" from Deflorate. That is, to say, the pattern from "Denounced, Disgraced" and the notes from "Death Panorama." Also, it kind of sounds like "Worship Only What You Bleed" from Nocturnal, but that's an older album, so maybe "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" borrowed from that.
Lamb Of God and Job For A Cowboy sound nothing alike dude, Im not going to shit on you for your opinion, but Job For A Cowboy has been around way longer than Lamb Of God, theyre both great but neither of them are sound anything like each other.
actually Lamb of God started almost a decade and a half before JFAC. JFAC isn't as bad as I had always thought, but they're still pretty dull and unoriginal. Lamb of God definitely slays them in any case.
k all the people wondering about the album cover, it represents how one man can control the world with one hand hence pointing at the moon and how one man can destroy it with his other hence pointing at the fiery hell, and how he exploits it.
it's all good, deathcore deathmetal, black metal, thrash metal , hair metal (just kidding but if you like it i don't care), british invasion , punk rock, i'm sick of people picking sides....
The dude below me is correct, musical taste is pure opinion. I enjoy listening to a Dodge pickup idling with no muffler, does anyone have a problem with that!?
Deathcore sucks to some people. These people like me don't need a reason to say why THEY think it sucks. Music taste is 100% opinionated. You don't need a reason to dislike something.
@MrShinanigans What does that have to do with anything? If you don't like something then you don't like it, simple as that. Take some of the most mainstream, popular bands out at the moment. They obviously have potential, and have reached that potential, but I still hate it. I don't need a reason to hate it, I just do.
DUDE THANK YOU!! finally a good comment on one of this kick ass videoss. I love thiss! HIT ME UP, me and my friend are going to be coming up wif sum songs later on in the month.
Explain what REAL music is, because if it's Death Metal, these guys are playing it, but whatever, judging by your account it's obvious your using a troll account.
But whatever, bashing on JFAC doesn't make you any more cool or metal or manly, it just makes you look ignorant. Its a trend that will die out sooner or later once people actually start listening to music rather than bitching about genres.
samus uses triggers. Wanna know whose better Flo from Cryptopsy, or Derek Roddy, Or George from Nile. Or maybe Romain from Necrophagist. Or Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater.
Speed doesn't matter by the way. But this drummer is average. Its pretty much expected in death metal now a days. Samus is meh. He's good but i don't like how he used triggers.
George Kollias and pretty much all those other drummers you listed uses triggers...
George Kollias not only said that he doesn't think triggers is cheating, but he recommends them...
You NEED triggers to distinguish the individual bass drum beats after about 200 ish bpm..
Triggers isn't cheating unless you manipulate the sensitivity to make even the slightest tap sound like your slamming on the drums. Thats the only way you can cheat with triggers..
dude triggers dont do anything to help drumming, they just make it more defind, and hes in a black metal band. triggers on drums are almost a need for black metal
drum triggers mute the over all ringing sound of the bass drum, and instead makes it sound more like someone punching a leather seat, (ALLOT of bands do this)
you know triggers dont make people better right? they make people sound worse most of the time because if you mess up even a little people can tell so if he is playing this dead on live(which he does) id say hes a damn good drummer
JFaC are hardly deathcore in this album... they sound more like Lamb of God did on 'As the Palaces Burn', in other words; fuckin' awesome!
The3rdStrikeIsOnYou 1 month ago
How about we stop bashing other metal bands and unite to bring down the true enemy!!!JUSTIN BIEBER!!!>:-D
jackrussel20000 2 months ago 2
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jackrussel20000 2 months ago
This isn't deathcore though.
Lgmetl123 2 months ago
BASSET HOUND
XXAlexDaXX 4 months ago
I don't give a f*ck what "core" it is, this shit rocks and that's all that matters. F*ck metal classifications. Metal is metal period.
ektj 4 months ago
If anyone read the lyrics... I honestly don't think you guys realize what they're trying to say. It's not all about brutal and heaviness, it narrates certain parts of the Bible, New World Order, a new Anti-Christ soon to come. It's truly deepening that a Death Metal band would do such a thing... in every single song. It's all connecting, and you guys should seriously inspect the lyrics and compare it to the Revelations.
hercludes 7 months ago 6
@hercludes their not anti christ though right? they just talk about it
luke7137 3 months ago
@luke7137 Not at all
hercludes 3 months ago
@luke7137 im pritty sure if they refuse to beleive in jesus then they dont beleive in the big ol scarry devil :3, im teasing haha srry, but ye the skull is probs just like thier mascot, Ex, iron maiden.
awesomolopolis64 1 month ago
like if you bobbed your head to this song :D
IamR00FIES666 11 months ago 6
I fucking hated job for a cowboy.
But this entire album is great.
Since when did job for a cowboy rule? Whaaaaat?
DrGand 11 months ago
its beeing more bruthal and more deathmetal tahn before but sound great as hell :D
mattbigbangflx 1 year ago
what the fuck since when does job for a cowboy kick fucking ass
sheetstain69 1 year ago 3
i like how this video only has 3 dislikes.
Musicbook101 1 year ago 4
2 people are suffuring Bieber Fever
MrNecro1995 1 year ago 2
@MrNecro1995 agree
Prepayingpingas 1 year ago
JOB FOR A COWBOY SHALL NEVER DIE
inshane1 1 year ago 3
ruination is not the best to me. i think genesis is the best
swisscheeseiswhite 1 year ago
their best album is ruination, but best song i think is knee deep. its just amazing
Itachi2336 1 year ago
@Itachi2336 I AGREE KNEE DEEP IS INSANE
inshane1 1 year ago
0 dislikes FTW
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shakesulla123 1 year ago
Zero dislikes. Shit THUMBS UP FOR THAT!!
utubesgreat7777 1 year ago 3
This is what im playing at my funeral.
Disturbed2102 1 year ago 6
1:58-2:01 Scooby Doo!
drummakid101 2 years ago
This sounds almost like a Black Dahlia Murder song, or at least that first riff. Haha, hope I don't get flamed too bad for making that comparison... :P
851852093114208513 2 years ago
I was about to flame you but it appears your are aware of your own error. However, I would be interested in what song you are refering to for the purpose of my making my own personal comparison.
HereticNotions 1 year ago
@HereticNotions Almost a cross between "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" from Deflorate. That is, the pattern in "Denounced" and the notes from "Panorama." Haha, thanks for not just flaming me, by the way, although 3 thought that liking somebody other than JFAC and noticing a similarity is blasphemy. Also kind of sounds like "Worship Only What You Bleed" from Nocturnal.
851852093114208513 1 year ago
@HereticNotions Well, first, thank you for holding back the fire until I state my case; but to elaborate, I think it sounds kind of like a cross between "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" from Deflorate. That is, to say, the pattern from "Denounced, Disgraced" and the notes from "Death Panorama." Also, it kind of sounds like "Worship Only What You Bleed" from Nocturnal, but that's an older album, so maybe "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" borrowed from that.
851852093114208513 1 year ago
@851852093114208513 HAHAHAAAA. Damn this is fucking good.
DENOUNCED, DISGRACED, DEATH PANORAMA, DEFLORATE.
HAHAHAHA
ThaSars0 1 year ago
@851852093114208513
THE DAHLIA MURDER SUCKS
THEY USE THE SAME FUCKING CHORD FOR EVERY ALBUM
DON'T EVEN TELL ME NONE OF THE SONGS SOUND THE SLIGHTEST BIT FAMILIAR
i honestly thought they would change and progress as a melodic death metal band. clearly, they didn't.
MrShinanigans 1 year ago
@MrShinanigans Can you maybe... Pull those words into a comprehensible sentence? I have no idea what in the hell you are trying to tell me.
By the way, just for shits and giggles, you go ahead and make 5 albums without repeating any single chord anywhere other than the album it first appeared in. There are only so many, you know.
851852093114208513 1 year ago
@851852093114208513, im sorry i'll put it in lamens terms. first of all there are thousands of chords. second of all if you use one chord for each album, it has the same feel and sound. third of all a metal song played in Em will sound nothing like a country or folk song played in the same chord so shut the fuck up because you really dont know what you're talking about
MrShinanigans 1 year ago
@MrShinanigans That's because, rather than death metal, a country or folk song played in Em (Which you should have referred to as a key, not a chord, in that context), would be of the genres country or folk, respectively. You just destroyed any valid point you may have had when you began; way to go.
851852093114208513 1 year ago
@851852093114208513 second that motion. really MrShinanigans, if you dont know your shit, which you obviously dont, dont try and argue on it. you could have just said that they lack variation enough to be interesting. good job making yourself look like a tard.
896748rhjbasgjjgankl 1 year ago
@851852093114208513 first of all i was wrong a song no matter what genre, played in the same key would have the exact same emotion in any other song played in the same key. second, i still dont know how to read music or anything about the music theory so stop trying to punk me for using the word key instead of chord.
MrShinanigans 1 year ago
@MrShinanigans Why are you talking about The Black Dahlia Murder? This is a Job For A Cowboy video.
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@HereticNotions Well, first, thank you for holding back the fire until I state my case; but to elaborate, I think it sounds kind of like a cross between "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" from Deflorate. That is, to say, the pattern from "Denounced, Disgraced" and the notes from "Death Panorama." Also, it kind of sounds like "Worship Only What You Bleed" from Nocturnal, but that's an older album, so maybe "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" borrowed from that.
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@HereticNotions Well, first, thank you for holding back the fire until I state my case; but to elaborate, I think it sounds kind of like a cross between "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" from Deflorate. That is, to say, the pattern from "Denounced, Disgraced" and the notes from "Death Panorama." Also, it kind of sounds like "Worship Only What You Bleed" from Nocturnal, but that's an older album, so maybe "Denounced, Disgraced" and "Death Panorama" borrowed from that.
851852093114208513 1 year ago
Damn bro! AWESOME! and yes Suicide Silence is cool too.
Stormblast1993 2 years ago
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sounds like a half-assed shitty rip-off of lamb of god to me... I actually hate even comparing these douche-nuggets to lamb of god.
Panasper 2 years ago
Lamb Of God and Job For A Cowboy sound nothing alike dude, Im not going to shit on you for your opinion, but Job For A Cowboy has been around way longer than Lamb Of God, theyre both great but neither of them are sound anything like each other.
LukeMaynorTV 2 years ago
actually Lamb of God started almost a decade and a half before JFAC. JFAC isn't as bad as I had always thought, but they're still pretty dull and unoriginal. Lamb of God definitely slays them in any case.
Panasper 2 years ago
oh yeah sorry i forgot about burn the priest sorry
LukeMaynorTV 2 years ago
k all the people wondering about the album cover, it represents how one man can control the world with one hand hence pointing at the moon and how one man can destroy it with his other hence pointing at the fiery hell, and how he exploits it.
odinseye00 2 years ago
I thought they meant heaven with him pointing up
LukeMaynorTV 2 years ago
did u figure that out by yourself?
arrestedshrimp 2 years ago
album cover is demonic as hell....literally
cheesed4 2 years ago
fuck they need to put it on a shirt so i can blow 20$ of my crack money.
specificxboat 2 years ago
it's all good, deathcore deathmetal, black metal, thrash metal , hair metal (just kidding but if you like it i don't care), british invasion , punk rock, i'm sick of people picking sides....
raymonddessoffy 2 years ago 5
HAIR METAL :D hahahah youre the best
luishomeroremohsiul 2 years ago
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aww, luck they are trying to be death metal!
judasiscariot3 2 years ago
The dude below me is correct, musical taste is pure opinion. I enjoy listening to a Dodge pickup idling with no muffler, does anyone have a problem with that!?
Hyenashowl 2 years ago 4
i agree with both of you.
neverlessemo 2 years ago
excellent
arvigarus 2 years ago
FUCK YEEEEAH
oscarsverycool 2 years ago
Burns: Summon the hounds.
Smithers: Excuse me, sir?
Burns, angrily: SUMMON THE HOUNDS!!
Hyenashowl 2 years ago 12
NOW THIS IS BRUTAL!
Q8BrutalRocker 2 years ago
that's like one of the most awesome songitles i know =P
Metalscavenger 2 years ago
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XxNecrOtorturexX 2 years ago
No, because pig squeals suck.
aarongtr180 2 years ago 3
lol yea they do
metlhead23 2 years ago
cause thats how we can tell if its good or not...
Just listen to the fucking album; if you like it, good. If not, who cares? =P
WilliamBonneau 2 years ago 2
I agree with ya!
adolesfoles 2 years ago
nope. just a pure dose of awesomeness
macadoolahicky 2 years ago
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doom is best album. my opinion. but ruination is still great. genisis is good. but i think doom tops.
freerice9595 2 years ago
the drummer is fukin insane
GeneralKillswitch 2 years ago
hell yeah man! he is fucking crazy as hell on the kit. you can tell he has gotten tons better since the first album too
gravybiscuits57 2 years ago
if you mean the EP. he didnt drum on the EP. only Genesis and Ruination : D
BringJakeTheHorizon 2 years ago
@BringJakeTheHorizon I could be wrong, but I heard Jon Rice joined RIGHT AFTER Genesis...?
Azria032 1 year ago
none of u have a legit reason to say why deathcore sucks, you all just say it sucks. Music needs breakdowns in order to mosh properly.
objective33 2 years ago
Deathcore sucks to some people. These people like me don't need a reason to say why THEY think it sucks. Music taste is 100% opinionated. You don't need a reason to dislike something.
Kristoffa80 2 years ago 38
well said
loopyrider 2 years ago 2
@Kristoffa80
yea but theres a difference between something that is obviously good and something that has no potential whatsoever
MrShinanigans 1 year ago
@MrShinanigans What does that have to do with anything? If you don't like something then you don't like it, simple as that. Take some of the most mainstream, popular bands out at the moment. They obviously have potential, and have reached that potential, but I still hate it. I don't need a reason to hate it, I just do.
Kristoffa80 1 year ago
@Kristoffa80 But, some music does just suck regardless.
LastRowKid 1 year ago
@LastRowKid To you, maybe. There's always going to be people that like it.
Kristoffa80 1 year ago
@Kristoffa80 Since I was given a calm response, I will cease to argue my point.
LastRowKid 1 year ago
@Kristoffa80 so you like or dislike job for a cowboy?
starfry25 1 year ago
@starfry25 I don't mind them. I've bought their albums and enjoy listening to them, but they're nowhere near my favourite.
Kristoffa80 1 year ago
@Kristoffa80 Well not 100%, there are objective factors to everything. The majority of it is opinion, though.
CyberdarkVenom 2 months ago
1:42 = sex
GamerJamer 2 years ago
the charn. hes fucking good
pokemustaine 2 years ago
And fucking awesome outro. So intense
270bpm 2 years ago
1:29 - 1:43, fucking LOVE that bit
270bpm 2 years ago
I think all their albums are fucking great.
analchorus 2 years ago 3
DUDE THANK YOU!! finally a good comment on one of this kick ass videoss. I love thiss! HIT ME UP, me and my friend are going to be coming up wif sum songs later on in the month.
bumblebag96 2 years ago
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the new album sucks
Doom is still the best
xfghk 2 years ago
thank you. these fucking posers dont understand. they all think suicide silence is some godlike band and just listen to whats playing at hot topic
ZebraExperience 2 years ago 2
Suicide Silence IS a good band, but it isn't like they're gods, there ARE many other swell bands :)
ISkateZeroDecks 2 years ago 4
Suicide Silence aint that bad
LukeMaynorTV 2 years ago 3
Ruination is the Best Album by JFAC! Its so damn catchy!
spectre9137 2 years ago
Great song, what does the cover mean though.
I want to know.....
wombo334 2 years ago
it means fuck the scene kids... Its fucked up and ruined :D
goalieshiv 2 years ago
fuck yeah! can he get a witness???
thrashboss 2 years ago
idk...that cow skull guy seems to be there mascot, it seems like he resembles the anti-christ or somthing...idk....
the bacjground is just depintions of war and coruption
steaminghotnoodles 2 years ago
i think one world government
thrashboss 2 years ago
Job For A Cowboy i think has changed for the better because this is (in my mind) their best CD out of the 3 of them.
Frank1040 2 years ago 33
i liked genesis cause of the crazy chords they used on embeded and reduced to mere filth
steaminghotnoodles 2 years ago
@Frank1040 but it sucks because the vocalist is the only original band member now
MrShinanigans 1 year ago
@Frank1040 They have changed, thats a good thing get a different sound which means get different people who like the new style \m/
pimpinkid92 8 months ago
in my unimportant opinion this one was the only track off Ruination that seemed a bit rushed.
eat4bitch 2 years ago
That was fucking balllllllllllllin, they did it again, those crazy sons of bitches!!!
LAKFX 2 years ago
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Faggot scene metal for 15-year-old posers who can't appreciate REAL music.
noneofyoucanspell 2 years ago
Explain what REAL music is, because if it's Death Metal, these guys are playing it, but whatever, judging by your account it's obvious your using a troll account.
But whatever, bashing on JFAC doesn't make you any more cool or metal or manly, it just makes you look ignorant. Its a trend that will die out sooner or later once people actually start listening to music rather than bitching about genres.
KioMetalFan 2 years ago 8
like what
shandreez 2 years ago
Flo From Cryptopsy OLD (Best Drummer)
Quo Vadis ALL (BEST all around death metal band)
Suffocation (no comment)
Suck IT
R3Xx3sX3R 2 years ago
dude i love this album cover its gay
alexnisaac 2 years ago
What?
WhoaDudeMan 2 years ago
cover is badass!
PzVIE43 2 years ago 2
lolwut?
ISkateZeroDecks 2 years ago
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StokeMidget 2 years ago
Oh, and Ruination is sick! Saw these guys live and they were impressive!
KioMetalFan 2 years ago
If anyone of you out there have the skills necessary please write a guitar tab for this one.
Can't get enough of the intro!
KitaniiHaki 2 years ago
same here dude!
log7871 2 years ago
i seen this album out at target for 10 dollars now i have to get it it is amazing.
acdcfan10 2 years ago
really, because I got it at hottopic for 5 .__. all you have to do is but a tshirt and you get a free poster :D
Zavexavexarou 2 years ago
Wow! Their new stuff is amazing. They have really changed. I'm gonna miss their old stuff though, but this is great.
SkyPhyre2 2 years ago
I like Job for a Cowboy way more now that their drumming has got better
good192kbps 2 years ago
Their drummer has always been beastly.
ISkateZeroDecks 2 years ago
some 1 needs to make a vid samus vs jon rice well any way whos better in u guys opinion
GuitarFlamez22 2 years ago
samus uses triggers. Wanna know whose better Flo from Cryptopsy, or Derek Roddy, Or George from Nile. Or maybe Romain from Necrophagist. Or Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater.
Speed doesn't matter by the way. But this drummer is average. Its pretty much expected in death metal now a days. Samus is meh. He's good but i don't like how he used triggers.
EliteBeast 2 years ago
How about Gene Hoglan?
sawilikes 2 years ago
it dosent matter vitek is the greatest.
RIP vitek
whiteboy420pothead 2 years ago 2
George Kollias and pretty much all those other drummers you listed uses triggers...
George Kollias not only said that he doesn't think triggers is cheating, but he recommends them...
You NEED triggers to distinguish the individual bass drum beats after about 200 ish bpm..
Triggers isn't cheating unless you manipulate the sensitivity to make even the slightest tap sound like your slamming on the drums. Thats the only way you can cheat with triggers..
Its just an amp for drums really..
KioMetalFan 2 years ago
dude triggers dont do anything to help drumming, they just make it more defind, and hes in a black metal band. triggers on drums are almost a need for black metal
xxxskat34lifexxx 2 years ago
drum triggers mute the over all ringing sound of the bass drum, and instead makes it sound more like someone punching a leather seat, (ALLOT of bands do this)
steaminghotnoodles 2 years ago 6
you know triggers dont make people better right? they make people sound worse most of the time because if you mess up even a little people can tell so if he is playing this dead on live(which he does) id say hes a damn good drummer
xxxskat34lifexxx 2 years ago 6
f*ck you youtube how dare you censor yourself
pokemustaine 2 years ago
they completely ditched the jfac classic sound and just went straight to set the new standard for metal.
coheed0000 2 years ago
hell yeah
moodo12345 2 years ago
FUUUUUUUUUCK
job for a cowboy steped it up!!!
glbrt541 2 years ago 4
grruhhhhruuu
i just came.
lol
shredtilimdead 2 years ago
this makes me horny.
fuckyougeorge 2 years ago
this is very attractive to me
pokemustaine 2 years ago
lmfao same dude, every song on the album is sexy like this :|
BringJakeTheHorizon 2 years ago