Re: MA man fired for belief in traditonal marriage

[stanleycupchamps2009]

bastard deserved it. i'm bisexual and christian but i'm starting to reconsider it ppl like that just piss me off.

[gene1536]

You tell him man!!! He deserved to be fired - dumb ass! I love it - you are so right! You are awesome!

[cjm608]

YOUR AWESOME DUDE!!!

[justtoexercise]

She didn't let him finish. Why is it wrong to say "Hey I'm sort of religious so I'd appreciate it you wouldn't talk about your fiance to me." Like you said no matter how he put it he would look bad, probably no matter how he put it,he would have gotten into trouble. It's funny how the work environment used to be geared towards making everyone comfortable but now just because somethings legal those that don't agree with it are supposed to bite their tongue? don't sound fair to me!

[justtoexercise]

Like I was saying, our faith is not something that we take to church and sunday's and then leave hanging on the coat rack when we go to work on Monday, Okay for some it might be that way, but not for everyone. We are people too, just like you don't deserve to be made to feel uncomfortable by religious talk in the work place, we shouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable about talk about athiesm, darwinism, or homosexuality. In the video he states that he was going to further explain himself but cnt

[justtoexercise]

That's right he can't say how he feel's either way. How is that fair. Faith goes beyond the church walls. Why should he be made to feel uncomfortable. I notice your what I like to call a Blame Athiest. You don't believe in god and so thus you condemn christians in your lifetime for everything that those before them did? How'd you like to get blaimed for all the rape and murder that other athiest have done, simply because your an athiest.

[badmojo19712008]

He didn't get fired from a job. It's called satire! The guy that made the "fired" video is a homosexual. The video was made for comedy purposes. Check out his profile and look at his other videos.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

@badmojo19712008 I dunno, sir. I was contacted by an alleged co-worker that validated the whole situation. As of now, though, I couldn't give a shit.

[MrTabby5000]

The WHO are homo sympathetic liars.

[MrTabby5000]

Gay is bad stuff,gay spreads HIV.

[Atatakaidan]

@MrTabby5000 - according to the World Health Organization - WHO - HIV is not spread by just homosexual people - there are far more people who are heterosexual with HIV than homosexual.

[FinalJusticeMovement]

But that's only by DEFAULT.

There are MORE heterosexual people IN POPULATION

than homosexuals. Basically, that means that what homosexuals

notoriously started is now being finished by everyone!

--The Final Justice

[Atatakaidan]

@FinalJusticeMovement If you would have checked the history of HIV/AIDS through the WHO, you would have learned that the first people who contracted the disease were HETEROsexual, not HOMOsexual. So NO, your assumption that homosexual people started it because they are the minority is neither fact nor practical.

[FinalJusticeMovement]

OK, so whether or not that is true doesn't explain

the fact that homosexuals blazed the trail, started the trend,

and are still the first to campaign against it and who otherwise

benefit from its research.

--The Final Justice

[Atatakaidan]

@FinalJusticeMovement If homosexuals "blazed the trail", as you said, then they would have been the first people to have contracted the disease. That is a fallacious statement. Heterosexual humans were the first, so they "blazed the trail" or "started the trend".

[mixxycan]

So, he insults the lifestyle of a person in management and then is surprised that he is fired? Hate to break it to him, but a private company can hire and fire whomever they want. Maybe if he was working in a public position, I could see his complaint, but what he did was totally moronic; he should have been fired for his poor judgment alone. I mean, imagine that woman having the gall to talk about her fiancee like a normal person! Outrageous!

[TheInfinite91]

Thing is, he didn't say that she shouldn't do what she was doing. He expressed his belief for sure, and by saying that he was a Christian, well, all the more reason for her to feel distaste towards him because of what she does. BUT, she expressed her belief first, and really in this context, their beliefs are just personal opinions. Everyone has opinions, many of them are bound to differ, so what's the problem? He should not have been fired, she just felt provoked and exercised her authority.

[Tsuruta1]

@TheInfinite91 Correct. He was not the one who brought it up, SHE did. Even if she announced that she was marrying a man, one can still say for whatever reason, "I don't think you're right for each other", or "You shouldn't be marrying anyone", people will THINK whatever they want. Not an HR issue. And although it's now legal in that state, there is NO law that says a person has to AGREE with it, and she did abuse her position, and HR didn't even hear his side. No he shouldn't have fired.

[Tsuruta1]

Pardon me, shouldn't have BEEN fired.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

@TheInfinite91 We weren't there to validate what opinion was spoken first. Your argument is flawed. It's more of a context vs. content in the workplace kind of thing, you know?

[NinjaGhostScorpion]

I don't believe he was fired for his belief. I believe he was fired for offending others.

Then again, Massachussetts is crawling with anal-retentive crybabies.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Yeah, that's entirely possible. I would say, however, the offense upon another was based upon a personal belief. But you're right - the belief itself wasn't what caused the termination; the reckless criticism of another employee with more political leverage was (in that case, anyway). And, anal-retentive people are everywhere.

[justtoexercise]

@TheInvisibleSkyDaddy It wasn't criticism I've listened to what he said twice and it wasn't criticism, he was trying to explain his religious beliefs and ask her to be respectfull of his religious beliefs but she didn't let him finish. Ahhhh I just don't get it! I don't get it! Why is something criticism just because it's legal. Further more who are you to judge his motives, you who have a username that mocks those of different beliefs than you. You name is an offensive criticism!

[GodCreatesGays2]

These so-called Christians demand special rights, like ramming their chosen religious lifestyle down everyone else's throats. Don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are "religious", but even they admit that it's a lifestyle which can cause great harm to society. It used to be that tolerance was enough, but now they want to promote their beliefs in school, to innocent CHILDREN! Enough is enough. They choose to be that way, there's no religious gene. Perhaps the answer is reparative therapy.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

in all fairness, it's not just Christians that demand special rights. EVERYONE seems to do that these days. It's depressingly tiresome. But I agree with the 'innocent children' bit. Kids don't have the cognitive developements to weigh abstract ideas such as religion and choose for themselves. It's indoctrination. It's wrong. But, if people want their kids to say prayer in school... send them to a religious school - or pray at recess. It's real easy. Keep public schools secular.

[GodCreatesGays2]

TheInvisibleSkyDaddy, that's the perfect solution: if parents want their kids to pray in class, send them to religious schools. Public schools should not be used to indoctrinate innocent children into that lifestyle. We can't stop certain people from targeting their own children, I suppose, but we darn well have the right to stop them from targeting everyone else's, too.

[MrTabby5000]

No buts,Im a proud homophobe christian and keep your homosexuality to yourself,jesus is lord,amen. I am also a fan of fred phelps.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Are you fucking serious? 'Proud to be scared of homosexuals..." That's what the 'phobe' means, you know. Fear. Good luck making a better world with that mentality. Jesus is Lord, eh? Then how come he isn't mine? I have no harsh words for you, Mr. Tabby, just pity. Hatred is never virtuous.

[ThisbeandPyramus]

It's an awful thing, in my opinion, when people SUPPORT the firing of those who express dissenting viewpoints, even if those opinions are obnoxious. I support full equality for gay/queers/transgenders - including marriage eqaulity - but - I don't support firing people because they disagree with me.

This firing in Boston is going to have a

backlash, imo.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

You're right, to an extent. In the workplace, however, there's a right and wrong way to disagree. I guess that's the main point.

[ThisbeandPyramus]

"right & wrong way to disagree"

-my standard for the height of the bar for the "wrong" way to disagree is probably higher than that which most people would hold. I DO NOT feel that the test should be whether someone finds a comment offensive. An opinion on gay marriage is WELL within the purview of a normal, involved citizen.

OBVIOUSLY- I disagree with the guy - but I find tattling offensive as well.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

I agree with you more than I don't. The only thing I would say is that differing opinions of lifestyles should probably stay out of the workplace as often as possible, just for the sake of common sense. But opinions can go over the line; when you tell someone that their existence is wrong, or that their tastes are against the world-creator's wishes, and even going so far to say that their lifestyle will bring them eternal TORTURE... well, that's no longer just a regular'opinion. It's an attack.

[ThisbeandPyramus]

thanks for the response..

I'm not validating the CONTENT of the guy's remarks. Only the fact that people say things ALL THE TIME that substantiate their own world view.

I suppose our disagreement boils down to defining the threshold where an opinion becomes "an attack" that warrants the interference of an established "overlord" (i.e. human resources).

I wish the woman had the personal POWER to rebuke him with her conviction -rather than use the company's fear of liability to punish him.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Those are very good points. Now that I think about it, it is kind of chickenshit to use company paranoia to 'get even.' As an atheist, if some fundamental nutjob started to berate me, I honestly don't think I'd use company policy to fight my battles for me. I'd tell them to shut up and get back to work, and offer a chance to debate later, over a pint or two during happy hour. I dunno. This video is getting old. There's more important things to argue about, but thanks again for the post!

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Holy shit. You guys are STILL dukin' it out in here? You guys aren't bored yet, on either side? Well, keep your gloves up, no hitting below the belt, and don't bite off any ears. *DING DING DING*

[DaughterOfYashua]

* St. John 3:16

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

That looks familiar... wait! I know where that's from! Sporting events!

[DaughterOfYashua]

No, I don't hate homosexuals, paedphiles, or those who engage in beastiality. My wish is that they will get saved and delivered from their perverse lifestyles, which I see as very possible through Christ. The TRUTH may be seen as offensive, however I will continue to tell it. Have a great day. :-)

[DaughterOfYashua]

Homosexuals will NEVER be married in the eyes of God. What next, man and dog? GROSS!!!! Anal sex is nasty, and results in grown adults wearing nappies. Do your research!

[TheManray05]

Blah blah blah blah blah blah. You're insane.  PLease, don'tprocreate. One of you is one too many.

[DaughterOfYashua]

Too late, too late. There are MANY of us. LOL!!!!!!!!!

Homosexuals can't procreate for a reason....

[TheManray05]

We can procreate if we choose, ignorant cow. Now take your magic Jesus and your religious voodoo and fuck off.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Well, they can adopt. And... lesbians can become pregnant, you know, artificial insemination (or however you spell it). And... what about all the various asexual animals in the world... are snails an abomination of satan, or what? Seahorses, too? Maybe God experiments. Expand your mind. Spread your cheeks!

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

You know, a lot of heterosexual people hit the shit-pipe, too. For all you know, it could be a natural form of birth-control. Just sayin.'

[DaughterOfYashua]

HOMOSEXUALS REPENT WHILST YOU HAVE TIME!!! Your lifestyle is gross and perverse. Homosexuality reduces man to a beast. Jesus can save you, if you want Him to. At. John 3:16.

And we CHRISTIANS will keep talking. No devil in hell can silence us. :-)

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Well, actually... I can always silence you with that nifty little 'block user' button over there... to the right of the comments. Just sayin.' As for being gross and perverse, you know... that's not entirely true. I'm heterosexual. I think men and women do just as many perverse things in a sexual fashion. Gender doesn't have anything to do with unusual or obscene sex habits, and I don't think oral and anal sex are taboo compared with double-fisting, or giving someone a "chilidog". Yikes!

[DaughterOfYashua]

The poster of this video is a MORON. Were you not listening? This lesbian hounded him numerous times in the day about her 'engagement.' He was there to work, her behaviour was harassment and innapropriate!

Regarding morality: Only GOD has the final say. Christians keep defending your faith!

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Moron, eh? Wow. Well, moving on... I'd like to point out something to you. 'This lesbian hounded him...' is hearsay evidence. We weren't there, and we don't have her video to represent her defense. With that being said, I'd like to point out that talking about one's spouse probably isn't considered harrassment to most people. And... if God has the final say on morality, why are you so sanctimonious? But by all means, continue defending the 'faith.' I think it's working. *snickers*

[TheManray05]

blah, blah blah. Defending your faith? We've had enough. You probably deserve to be fired, also. Your little bronze age book with it's violent little fables, keep them to yourself.

[DaughterOfYashua]

LOL. I am a successful entrepreneur, therefore am not a slave to a J.O.B. like some!!! :-D Further more on the day of judgement you will see... You are a child of the devil, I pray that you will one day open the "bronze age" book and inherit eternal life, otherwise HELL will be your portion. Where ALL unrepentant homosexuals will be.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Now that I think about it, how often do you hear about gay couples beating each other up, abusing their kids, or doing hate crimes? How does a different lifestyle directly affect YOUR life? I'm curious. You seem very hateful toward a lot of people you don't even know. That doesn't seem very nice to me. I learned about a pretty cool concept that might apply to people like you: cognitive dissonance. Oppositional views create a disharmony in your mind, and you will justify your view by any means.

[DaughterOfYashua]

It is funny you say that. You obviously don't READ much. Homosexual relationships have HIGH incidences of domestic violence actually. I have witnessed this myself from homosexual neighbours that I have had in the past... Homosexuals DO abuse children, gay men are known for abusing small boys. Many times they get away with it, because social workers don't want to be branded homophobic. There was a case in the UK like this a few months ago...

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Site your literary sources and I'll read them and produce possible counter-argumentation. As for my reading, well... I'm not sure I could cram in as much book time as a rich entrepreneur could while sitting about on their fat asses... but I do have quite a large collection of read books from a variety of subjects. And as for numbers, being that gays are a minority, my argument stands that more kids are beaten and abused in 'normal' heterosexual homes than gay homes. So... where's your point?

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Child of the devil? You watch too many movies. There isn't a devil, and if there were, he wouldn't be able to reproduce. According to the story, Lucifer was a former angel - angels could not reproduce. It is unlikely that your god would bestow breeding abilities to his own nemesis. As for homosexuality being wrong, explain homosexual animals. I don't know about you, but I've had a few gay rats, and I've seen male dogs hump other male dogs. Seems like if it happens in nature... might be natural.

[AIDurga]

Because for the life of me I would not see anyone talking to him unless they had too. Like someone was dying, and needed a kidney , and he matched. Like really he's that bad. I can not stress this enough. So all you people out there bitching about people being mean to Peter, let me tell you he deserves it and more.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Well, I'd have to meet him myself to make such a judgment. I believe he's definitely a candidate for 'douche-bag' status, but you know, just to be the devil's advocate in this instance, 'those hardest to love are the ones that need it most.' Hahaha... I couldn't even type that without laughing. Jesus Christ. But you know what I'm saying: the guy has some issues that need to be addressed. Someday, he might listen. Maybe his future children will be gay. That would force an ear open, wouldn't it?

[AIDurga]

Like I said in my message to you. I now work with this guy, and he did move to Texas. How funny. Really he is a jack ass, and likes to push what he thinks on others. Working with this man for the two months I can tell you how things went down. She said something to her friends at work, he over heard it made a smart ass comment, she that proceded to tell other people whom were here friends, maybe people that knew here that came into shop or something like that. And he decided to open his mouth.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Freedom of speech also includes hearing things you may not like hearing from other people that are freely speaking! That's why... people... shouldn't... talk... about... SERIOUS PERSONAL BELIEFS AT WORK! Unless, of course, there is a mutual agreement to disagree, and such conversations won't piss off any other 'ear-hustlers' in proximity. Just sayin.' We have to be somewhat responsible with what we say. It's all about euphemisms, semantics, rhetoric - communication is a game in itself.

[froggsrn]

Oh that was great. You rock. Seriously.

[Ryhla]

But by saying "I don't want to hear about your fiance" would still be sound like being a jerk, but he'd still have a job.

[marcusbelanger]

Kudos!

[rw5791]

There are a lot of people who don't like being oppressed with the gay agenda.Actually there's more of us than you,so when you star taunting people with your perverse lifestyle it makes us take action,like NOT shopping at brookstone anymore.

[bEEarCUB]

@rw5791

There are people in the world that are not you, and you just have to learn to live with that. If you start attacking, then your going to get fired. She did really nothing more than any heterosexual does ... mention their family.

I have plenty of people at work that talk all the time about religion, politics, etc ... which they probably shouldn't ... and I would probably fired for attacking them or their family for it outright.

[bEEarCUB]

@rw5791

PS: I do think the firing was, in this situation at least, quite overkill. But I tend to not agree with many HR firings in general.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Oppressed? Really? Can that word be used in this way, as a minority lifestyle vs. religious homophobes? I don't think 'the gay agenda' is anything more than asking for freedom. Remember interracial marriage? That was a hard fight, too. There's no oppression going on if someone wants freedom to live with another person for the rest of their life (in theory).

[williamsire]

There is no harm in that and the person can enthusiastically go on with their life as is their GOD given right. That is not what this woman wanted, nor is it what this ridiculous movement wants.

However what I want is to see if those women are hot and see that video of them getting their freak on.

[williamsire]

Where I personally have no issue with what two, or three people do because GOD created us with a free will to choose good or evil. I have no desire to embrace or celebrate choices made by others I dont agree with. Clearly that is what this woman, and the whole homosexual nonsense is all about.

If someone were to persistently tell me about their drinking or drug use I would respond in the same manner as he did over this gay issue. Simply expressing my disinterest in hearing about their it.

[williamsire]

If freedom was the issue the girl says he doesnt approve of my marriage, thats his problem, Im happy. Then she goes home and eats her girlfriends pussy, (making a video for me to see later if they are both hot) not to HR to report they guy and get him fired.

This whole gay movement is not about rights or freedom. I have long stood firmly on the observation that homosexuals want their choices to be accepted and celebrated among the general population as it they were normal.

[gothicsoul100]

there was a teacher that lost his job for saying the the holocaust never happened , and Jesus never called it a sin and it was not one of the ten commandments

[chiedu72]

TheInvisibleSkyDaddy ITA! The tool should totally be fired. Labor law is very explicit. If he had said "I really don't feel like talking about your personal life," he'd be within his rights. But to tell her that he disapproved of her sexual orientation is against almost every state's labor laws.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

I agree to an extent, as far as the law goes... but as a former manager myself - firing someone after a first offense isn't good practice - depending on the situation, of course. in this case, I'd tell him his rights, and document the incident. If it came up again, suspension. Third time, termination. I think that's fair. Sometimes people just aren't aware that they are being insenitive. A verbal warning should change that.

[Ratraccoon]

Actually he kept trying to change the subject but she wouldn't. It became unavoidable to tell her the reason why he was uncomfortable talking about her personal life. This woman was laughing on her way out to report him. Clearly this woman already knew he didn't want to talk about it and continued to harass him until he would say something to get him fired for not approving her lifestyle. Get it through your dumbass head people in Massachusetts have tolerate but they don't have to like it!

[phatxman4444]

The video this is refering to is hilarious. Some narrow-minded Christian gets fired for being intolerant, and he pisses and moans about it for 10 mins on youtube. Let me say this in terms conservatives will understand:

How about all of you right-wing Christian types suck it up... it's the free market, and his firing, having nothing to do with government intervention, shows how the market is being more efficient by getting rid of intellectual slow-pokes like that douche. Welcome to a new age.

[chiedu72]

Agreed phatxman4444! The lezzie is more important to the company than the nitwit Conservative. Welcome to the new age folks! It's happening and there's nothing the crazy Christians can do about it! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

I'm not so sure I agree with this statement... crazy christians are not to be underestimated. I don't think there's a new age at all - I think we're in the "calm before the storm."

[JenniJae5]

Followed this video from the dude who lost his job. He struck me as being a bit whiny, and I agree w/ some here, we don't know the full story.  I don't agree w/ gay marriage either, but really, are you going to start a conversation with how wrong you think it is? I don't think he should have been fired, but I doubt he'd be as worried if she lost her job because she told him she didn't want to hear about the Bible or something.

[TechnorockerMusic]

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dutchovenbaker]

This whole debate is ridiculous. I can't stand intolerant people. They should all be rounded up and put on an island. And then the island should be blown up. Don't believe in so-called "gay marriage"? You can fuck right off. Seriously folks, if we lose our moral compass, that's exactly what we'll have; loose morals.

And you know what else I hate, almost as much as intolerant douche-nozzles?

Jews.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

LOL. I'm not sure what to say in repsonse to this... I guess I would just say that people are typically intolerant of SOMETHING... and whine when someone is intolerant of something THEY do. Christians are famous for this, as well as other groups, religious and non-religious alike. I think being a hypocrite is almost innate to humankind; you have to fight against it, within yourself and be accountable for words and actions. That's pretty hard, sometimes.

[headhunterforlogic]

You're just as bad as the people that would fire a homosexual simply for their lifestyle, or someone who would fire a black because he's black, the same tired bigotted logic applies to you.

If you bring your opinion to the open don't get offended or butt hurt when someone has an opinion that's different than yours.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

I agree.

[headhunterforlogic]

I'm not about to argue with anyone on this video, but any sane person will see that the trash you spew is complete ignorance.

Although I disagree with Vanillakernels use of words I completely agree with him/her.

.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

'complete ignorance'? Interesting. Well, allow me to retort. Though I was wrong in successfully delivering a good argument and being slightly hypocritical in terms of free-speech, I would still argue my position that by telling someone at WORK that their lifestyle is WRONG is carte blanche for a negative response. Belief vs. Belief has no place in the working environment, unless you are a politician. Should he have gotten fired? No. Should he have worded his feelings better? Yes.

[filmstocker]

Thanks for this. Go, atheists. And Texas--as f'ed up as it is--is far too good for that guy. Oklahoma maybe? Iran?

[vanillakernel]

You're a fucking idiot, nobody deserves to loose their job simply for disagreeing with someones lifestyle.

Your line of reasoning is very troublesome and disgusting and has no place in our society or free speech

respect goes both ways not one

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

You know what? You're right. I apologize. I was wrong to say he 'deserved it.' Freedom of speech should come first. I was just angry, intitially. But after thinking on it, I believe there should have been some sort of mediation between the two employees, not an immediate termination. Belief in the work-place can get really emotional and out-of-control, for many people with different beliefs. But disagreement with a lifestyle can be said in different, more diplomatic terms.

[rockstarofredondo]

You also said something extremely ignorant when you said at the end that he should move to Texas, as if homophobia is rampant in Texas. Have you ever been to Texas? Probably not, but even if you have, homosexuality is as accepted here as it is anywhere else. I'm sure there is hatred of gays within some Texans but most of us really don't care who you're gettin it on with. If you want to appear credible I would avoid the pre-judgmental commentary, which is a behavior you're protesting, is it not?

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

i can't believe I didn't respond to this! Wow. Yes, I have been to Texas several times. The only reason I said Texas was due to the fact that there are a shitload of 'America FUCK YEAH!' types in Texas. They televise high-school football in Texas, and the last (homophobic) president of the United States was from Texas. What state was the only state to be its own sovereign country at one time? Texas. Just sayin.' Waco? Chick-O-Sticks? Grassy Knoll? Aww.. just kidding. I'm just fuckin' with you.

[rockstarofredondo]

The America Fuck Yeahs are everywhere, and yeah, there are a ton in Texas. But there are just as many in California.

& Bush is not from Texas. He's from Maine. He just pretended he was from Texas to trick dumb people into voting for him. He's a total poser and a fraud. Just sayin'. & I wish Texas would be the Republic of Texas again. That would kick assssssssssssss!

[whitefire64]

Bush was born in Connecticut and his family vacationed in Maine.

[rockstarofredondo]

He was raised in Kennebunk Port Maine.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

He was born in Conneticut and... here. I googled the som'bitch: "President Bush was born July 6, 1946, in New Haven, Connecticut..." but it says that in 1948 his family moved to Midland, Texas. Okay? He was TWO. He spent a lot of fuckin' time in Texas. Split hairs if you want, buuuut... as far as I'm concerned, the douche-bag is a Texan. But I don't blame anyone for not wanting their state affiliated with the man. Maybe he was...from... Guam? There. Everyone can be happy now.

[rockstarofredondo]

I'm not talking about born. Do you see born in my comment anywhere? Where you were raised is where you are from.

You're actually splitting hairs if you want to accuse me of it. & Texas isn't really my state--I just live here--I'm not from here. Get it? :)

Shall I give you a hug now?

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Talk about 'back-peddling.' It's all good though, we've kind of got way off track anyhow. It doesn't even matter.

[rockstarofredondo]

Back peddling? What are you talking about? & what on earth is an AFY?

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Oh. I coined the acronym A.F.Y., which stands for: 'American Fuck-Yeahs' , as in, overly patriotic nitwits that never studied unbiased American history. As for the back-peddling, I just thought it was funny that you said he wasn't Texan in a previous post, and then later said where you are raised is where you are from, and in Bush's case, that was Texas. That's all. No biggie.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

What do you think about the openly lesbian governor? What an odd coincidence, eh? :) And yes, there are a lot more A.F.Y.'s in California than most people think. I see stars n' bars and git'r'done stickers all over the place.

[rockstarofredondo]

I don't care if someone is openly gay, closet-ly gay, asexual or any other kind of sexual--my concern is government that is way too up in my life. If she proves to be a governor that will not steal from the people then she will be alright in my eyes (she can never be great because & I am a bit of an anarchist). If she proves to be what government always is--a lying, stealing, blood-sucking cancer on humanity--then her gay-ass is my enemy, period.

What's an AFY?

[Krazie316]

Wow you couldn'r possibly be more of a retard this man didn't push his belief on somebody else you idiot, she was bothering him about it and he told her to stop pestering him about her counterfeit marriage because he finds it unconfortable, you belong in a communist country such as Russia or North Korea they;re waiting for you and your intolerance.

[saze9y14]

You do realize that you are a total hypocrite, right? You are intolerant of homosexuals, not the other way around. Go back to thumpin' your bible and leave the discussions to people with an IQ above 5.

[Dreamshade4ever]

Disagreement is not intolerance learn the difference moron. Based off of this if we were to leave the discussion for anyone with an IQ over 5, you would be out of the discussion

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

wait a minute - you are in error; a person with an IQ of 5 would not be able to use a computer, let alone type. The individual of discussion would have to have an IQ of at least 75, based on the sentence structure. :)

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

The guy said: "Homosexuality isn't good stuff." He further told her that he felt it was wrong. Now, he had the free speech to do so - but I think that was pushing his belief, based on what he said. Also, remember, not too long ago... Someone somewhere would have said the same thing about interracial marriage. If someone said "marrying a nigger isn't good stuff..." they'd be tarred and feathered. Beliefs are powerful, and the freedom of speech is too... there has to be a middle-ground.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Oh. You called me a retard. You are pestering me, and... I'm uncomfortable now. Being accosted on YouTube is 'bad stuff.' I'm afraid for my life. Actually, now that I think about it, you called me a 'retard.' How insensitive you are to the mentally challenged. You should be reported. Just kidding. You have a few points, but they're not that good. Just remember, it takes at least two different directions to be in opposition. What if he talked on and on about HIS wife? I'm sure that's okay, right?

[starvis]

1. None of us knows what really happened. For all we know he could've been on warning before and this was the last straw. If he really had a case for wrongful termination he'd be filing a lawsuit, not recording a youtube video.

2. Why do Christians think they can make bigoted comments at work and get away with it because they can quote archaic texts in the Bible? It's the same BS they used to spout trying to keep segregation legal and banning bi-racial marriage.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

This is the best response, so far. Thank you for your insight! But don't forget - it's not just Christians that do that tactic. People just run their mouths when they believe they are right, and go apeshit when someone calls them on it, or gives an oppositional view. It's the 'Everything is fine unless I get offended' mentality.

[MrTouchShriek]

1) First of all, we don't know if what this guy says is true. Disgruntled employees claim stupid BS all the time. If it found to be true, of course, then the company is well in the wrong.

2) An employee in Georgia was fired for expressing his belief that Christianity was BS. Where was the faux FOX News outrage when they happened?

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Exactly. Or what if a Jehova's Witness told people at a company Christmas Party that he felt that celebrating Christmas was wrong, and that he was torn -spiritually - for even showing up. Or what if a fundamentalist Muslim freaked out if someone at work made a negative comment about Islam? There are so many examples... it's all bullshit. Thanks for the post!

[sonygvf]

I think you've missed the point here. The issue isn't whether homosexual marriage is legal or not. The issue is that he was fired for his expressing his "personal beliefs" as was she. It is illegal to fire someone because of his or her personal beliefs. That's Federal Employment Law. This is as ridiculous as firing someone because they're homosexual. If I were him I'd go file a complaint and claim with his local EEOC office. He has a good case as his letter of termination states.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

You are correct. As I said back there in the threads... I was wrong to get so worked-up over it. I didn't make the argument as rational as it should have been. The issue, I believe, is that freedom of speech was both delivered and violated. He should not have been fired, but it is unfortunate that this gentleman cannot see that free speech goes both ways. Also, it would be common sense to acknowledge that people often have oppositional lifestyles and views in our workplace. Discretion is good.

[sonygvf]

I agree. They could have discussed the issue (HR) and straightened out any bumps rather than just firing him, or for that matter a her if the situation was reversed. Diversity is supposed to be acceptance and I'm always amazed that someone gets rejected (fired) in reality because they might have a different point of view.

[translucentorb]

How is expressing his beliefes to someone PUSHING it on them.

Damn dude, you're seriously retarded.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Well, fellow retard, pushing can be synonymous with 'expressing.' It's a case-by-case issue, of course. Confronting someone and telling them they are wrong is pushing, is it not? One would be knowingly starting a debate, and putting someone on the defensive. If I told a Christian they were wrong to believe in a dogma that hasn't any evidence, making them complete idiots... how would that not be pushing my atheism, and creating a defensive reaction? A push gets resistence. Thanks for the post!

[cathlicscholboy4life]

Yesah, even though I completely agree with what you're saying, I'm gonna have to say swljcl has a point there. Lol you can't call another guy an asshole and tell him to go somewhere else while you're telling him that he should have been more sensitive and respectful : )

You still kick ass, though!

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Yes, i know. I will admit the error of my ways... I must make a note to wait a bit before posting a video response, and be more respectful. But isn't controversy fun?

[cathlicscholboy4life]

Why yes, yes it is.

[jan8605]

lol Texas.

I agree completely!!

[SWLJCL]

TISD - first of all...nice camera shot. The clorox wipes and air fresheners in the background are the perfect backdrop for your intelligent comments. Secondly, you sound like a genuinely sensitive guy, since you like to refer to others as "assholes". Way to prove your point. You must be an "open-minded" liberal.

[TheInvisibleSkyDaddy]

Alas, you have witnessed me during an irrational point in my thinking; not my best moment. But I won't back down from my content, even though the context wasn't very well delivered. First of all, you bring nothing to the argument but red herrings; clorox and being liberal have nothing to do with what I said. And, I applaud you for never calling anyone an asshole. You must be a 'close-minded conservative.' Way to repond to a response. See how sill that is? Keep things relevant. It's easier.

[rockstarofredondo]

I'm sorry, he had a point and the the sarcasm was a nice touch. :) Made me laugh. No hard feelings though right?

[rockstarofredondo]

Awesome!