Pro-life supports are always quick to defend the 'life' inside but they never actually think of the child that it will grow into. Its all good saying 'abortion kills' But if that child is born into a broken home then the chances are that child will die, not physically, but emtionally and will end up living a life of torment and saddness. I think its sick to wish that on a child. And 'women should have to live with their mistakes' . Do people really want that child to be seen as a mistake?
@MarvelousSeven So what if your mum got raped and had you? Oh but you dont care as long as your alive thats all that matters, who cares that your mums emotionally scard.
If I found out today that my father raped my mother and made me, I would feel just as worthy to exist as everyone else. I recommend you research the psychological effects of rape and compare them to abortion (your apparent "rape remedy"). They are VERY similar. Why put women through that?
Second, if the victim receives medical treatment w/in 96 hours, abortion isn't necessary.
@xxSophiexSmithxx Check into Planned Parenthood's own advertized numbers. According to them, the #1 profiteer of abortion, rape accounts for less than 1% of the reasons why women seek abortions. Why? See above mention of w/in 96 hours.
Might I ask what the child did to merit captial punishment? Yes, the mother is a victim of rape, but does that justify the child being a victim of murder? Pro-aborts always try to use the "rape card" to justify their monsterous institution.
@MarvelousSeven Yes the rape card how so like pro lifers to throw the truma away so easily, it may only be 1% but that could still include over a thousand women considering how large the population is, you just dont care about anything but the fetus, you people don't even care about the actual children, and Being forced into having sex is completely different than having a choice wether or not you want an abortion
@MarvelousSeven and I studied human behaviour for 2 years so dont you dare tell me to research the effects it has, I can't belive you have said rape is silmilar to abortion, you obviously dont have a clue about what you are talking about. Many women truly consider wether or not they can sustain a child and if they think they cant then they have the choice to reconsider, rape is detremental, being forced to do something that is intimate, while recieving abuse
@MarvelousSeven And the thing that trumps all pro-lifers is the fact that it is LAW that makes abortion legal, and if you think for some reason YOU are above the Law then you must have a brain made from cement. And you know what you can do if you dont agree with the LAW in your country... Get the fuck out and move to a country where abortion is illegal, then you'll be a happy chappy , but youll probably find something to whine about and fight against.
This is really sick. .00001 percent of the worlds population are psycopaths. If life is so horrible, which US statistics show that over half (50%) of us grow up in broken homes without one parent or another. We all choose the evils or good we commit. Using this argument for abortion is like saying that legalizing suicide will somehow help the murder rate. Need I remind anyone that Margaret Sanger, founder of PP, attended many Klan meetings, and 71% of PP abortion clinics are in black hoods.
She trolls abortion topic sites, uses cut and paste arguements that are essentially infantile, poorly spelled rants that will invariably end up comparing you to hitler, being "pro-rape", a coward (because she is REAL brave acting like a spoiled brat on the internet), etc, etc.
She does this because she knows abortion cannot withstand frank discussion. Rather than reason, she distracts & name calls. That is her modus operandi
@MarvelousSeven You're so big to sit and whine about it all, and even snap-off on my channel w/ your little 'last word i win!!' thing.
You failed to prove a single thing I said wrong, twisted what I had to say out of context SO your could argue against something I said when I NEVER even said it to begin w/-
Then tantrum'd and block'd me.
You have the nerve to piss like a bitch and try to get people to ignore me?
B/c I used 'dirty words' and called you out for your games?
You keep calling me a liar, yet you can't prove any of it. But that doesn't matter. Your desperation into internet yelling, name calling, and wild accusations will do you know good. I have frustrated you and your arguements with FACTS. Mission accomplished.
I am going to let you be angry one the internet by yourself, and know that you may one day find yourself on the wrong side of history next to those who supported slavery (another human right's injustice this country had).
I laughed at this stupidness. This video shows lack of integrity, humanity, dignity, and self-security. Anyone who agrees with this argument proves him/her-herself a coward. Killing an innocent life in fear that the child might one day become a terrorist shows that you have no courage or respect. Any man who believes in this argument or abortion is a living contradiction of what being a man means. For women, it shows that you don't understand human dignity or your own feminity.
I'm pro-choice myself, but this has to be one of the worst arguments I have ever seen. Any pro-life person can say that this fetus can become Albert Einstein just as much as the fetus can become Adolf Hitler. You just don't know. Compare anything to 9/11 and it looks bad.
Yeah, ending defenseless child's life based on hypotheticals of "WHAT IF they have a hard life" etc is a cop-out for cowards afraid to face the personal accountability of becoming parents. Its just insane liberals can justify abortion based on "what ifs".
@MarvelousSeven Like the morons who believe every single aobrted fetus was going to cute cancer, become president, or become a movie star?
..That game goes both ways- and you don't know everyone's reason for aborting. Also, it's very cheap, unimaginative, and, well, cowardly, that petty mockery and insults are all you have to defend your political stance. If you actually cared about whatever 'children get aborted, you'd show more respect for your own cause, and to others.
@ryddelwearsahat I'd rather give the child the chance to succeed by protecting their right to life rather than off them to protect my life style (which is really what is at stake). Rationalizing they could turn out bad in some way is doing mental gymnastics to justify homocide is the most cowardly thing I can imagine.
Respect? When I demonstrate within my rights, I am constantly cussed out, called everything under the sun by your so-called "rational and civil" pro-choicers.
@MarvelousSeven ....sad that you do not view women as people, or view their needs and desires and independence or rights or health as something worth protecting or ensuring.
Is a fetus a born baby?
..or is it inside of, attached to, and thus part of, the woman until born?
Can an embryo or fetus be adopted, or does that only work w/ bornc hildren?
Lastly- does pregnancy, or does pregnancy NOT, affect EVERY aspect of a woman's immediate life?
@ryddelwearsahat Oh here it comes. Now I am a "pro-life misogynist".
Based on 21st century medical knowledge of fetal development, I see a helpless, unborn child as being just as worthy of "personhood" status and certainly view their rights as independent, genetically unique human beings worth protecting. I stand to protect the innocent and defenseless.
Yes, a fetus is an unborn baby, and I sure as hell hope you are not one of those fools who thinks life begins only at birth.
@ryddelwearsahat Yes, an unborn child can be slated for adoption into a loving home. Go ahead, just you TRY to attack in institution of adoption.
Yes, an unborn child is just as human as a born one. What else would it be? Look at the scientific developments SINCE Roe v. Wade was passed nearly 40 years ago. Abortion supporters have to hide from modern science. How...sad, you might say that they do not see the unborn as human children.
@ryddelwearsahat "..or is it inside of, attached to, and thus part of, the woman until born?"
Let me ask you this: what about other people in our society who depend on others to survive? The handicapped and disabled. Are they less human than you or I? They ARE a burden aren't they? The DO effect EVERY aspect of men and womens' lives? They have human rights. Unborn children are likewise dependent on their mothers. Born children need attention too. What about them?
@ryddelwearsahat Yes, a pregnancy DOES EFFECT EVERY ASPECT of a woman's life. Regardless of outcome, irrevocably.
Nevertheless, the child's right to life is the paramount issue, and should not be extinguished at a whim to facilitate a parent's escape of accountability, nor because they kid might be burden some day or whatever elective excuse you wish to conjur.
You know, the very fact that you can read this means you weren't aborted. If anything, be greatful for that.
@MarvelousSeven Your rights stop where another's begins- and the woman was there first. Oh, you want me to be grateful that my mother was raped while she was physically handicapped, by her alcoholic and abusive husband, and was FORCED to ahve me against her will under threat of battery, getting killed or getting sent to a nursing home..?
...No, I wasn't aborted- and my mother wasn't ALLOWED to make a choice-
Careful who you talk to, and what you demand I be grateful for. -c
-c I'm NOT grateful to be a rape-product, or a product of slavery, abuse, and torture. My life is not a product of love, or life, or liberty, or humanity- it is a product of evil and fear and rape and human cruelty. I am a rape-product and I will NOT mock a victim of rape, or dehumanize them and take away their feelings. So fuck you, rape-loving sexist. Women don't have feelings and aren't worth protecting..?
Have you ever read your mother's suicide note? It's REALLY nice, -c
-c right, getting to read your mother's suicide note, and grow up getting to listen to, see her get beaten up by your dad, her rapist/abusive husband, and get beaten up yourself? Ever get to listen to your own mother get raped?
Ever got told to your face by your mother she didn't want to have you? Ever read her suicide note after living for 19 years and read that she loves you, ect- but wishes she'd aborted you?
I could not THINK or FEEL when I was an embryo or fetus. -c
-c I had no memory, opinions, self-consciousness, no self-awareness.. when I was in the womb, I, like you, her, everyone else, did not EXIST yet. I was a chunk of human meat ONLY. If my mother aborted me I'd never have known or cared, and it would not have mattered b/c all that mattered at that time was HER. I actually regret being BORN, for reasons aforementioned. I regret that her CHOICE was not allowed, even at the expense of my EXISTENCE, It is out of RESPECT. You are a -c
-c LIAR, you are SEXIST, you are a fucking NAZI- and so is literally every single one of your kind. Sorry, but you LIED- a born child can be adopted and is not dependent on the mother like a fetus or embryo is. Sorry, but you LIED- the elderly and handicapped are not FORCED on, dependent on, ONE person- instead people like ME, willing nurses, actively CHOOSE to care for them out of free will- they are only burdensome when FORCED and they are not FORCED on anyone. Also, you -c
-c have LIED again- I never said a fetus wasn't human, I said it wasn't a person- you are a liar, and/OR you just illiterate- human, fetus, person, embryo, baby, born, alive, and pregnant do not all mean the same thing- get a better education. OH WOW YOU LIED AGAIN- I had no idea a, embryo or fetus in the womb could be adopted and removed, and given, right then and there, from the womb to an adopted family- I thought adoption only worked AFTER it was BORN.. Now, stop playing -c
-c stupid, stop playing word/context games like a manipulative little coward, and tell me, honestly- whether or not you think rape is good or bad, and whether or not you think a woman's feelings and health are WORTH sacrificing for a 9month long RAPE.
You're talking to a rape-product, you're talking to a woulda-shoulda been-abortion.. You're talking to a mother, a nurse, a wife, a pro-choicer.
Hitler was wrong you know- the ends do NOT justify the means. Rape does NOT = life.
@ryddelwearsahat Wow, now you've broken down into the same name-calling angry rant you initially scolded me when we first started this discussion. :-)
First, Planned Parenthood's own figures show rape to be the reason behind less than 1% of abortions. But nice way to just yell loud enough and often enough about something about me that isn't true. But then again, like V.I. Lenin said "A lie told enough times becomes the truth".
You have my sympathy and condolences over your life experiences
@ryddelwearsahat Just remember that all people have a right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The unborn are, by modern scientific definition, as human as everyone else. As such they are entitled to life. Just as slave owners used arguements to justify their infringement on other human beings, so to do pro-choicers use theirs to justify the destruction of the unborn. Everyone deserves human rights.
It really is sad, and I hope you change your mind on the subject some day. Okay?
@MarvelousSeven By the way- no frustration- pretty much everything I say on here, about this subject, is pre-typed and copy/pasted. I pick out which way the message is delivered depending on how I am spoken to, and in what context... namely b/c I've yet to hear a single new, intelligent, or vaguely interesting argument, accusation, insult, or claim from a single pro'life'r. I do this to waste time while waiting for stuff IRL.
-c since I have a talent for linguistics most people in this game don't- it is VERY easy for me to convert people to the side that supports intelligence, freedom, and basic fucking dignity- the pro-choice side.. or at the very least batter away at their claims and points of arguement until they have self-doubt or are so mortified by the results of their own politicking that they never open their traps again... atleast not in public.
-c of the time? I've been doing this free-time for about.. 2 years now- maybe a little more. I've helped a lot of people and changed a lot of lives and converted many a politicker. If all i do is offend you and lose you, who cares? There are more I can reach and support and educate... I've convinced 9 women and 7 teens to abort, 4 tens to adopt, and counseled many women out of post-abortion grief and self-blame. I've also converted many out of their judeo-xtain faith. =)
@ryddelwearsahat Just so we are clear, you have been blocked. I win.
I'd rather not waste my time arguing with someone who resorts to seeking moral high ground by repetitive slander, pathetic attempts to discredit by cap typing the word "lie" without proof of dishonesty, and most laughably, comparing someone to hitler. All you've shown is how you yourself must resort to insults and mockery and what you have said, no matter how melodramatic, does not reflect credit to your cause.
@MarvelousSeven When all else faisl, covers your ears and say 'lalala i cant hear you'.
..nice.
Too bad that when faced w/ the direct and negative results of your own ideaology, you try to block someone after snapping off a curt little gripe about the way they communicate- all the while failing to bring anything of real value to the table, and beng incapable of proving a single thing they said to be false.
All I did was make you uncomfortable w/ the reality of YOUR ideals. -c
-c Until you can move one, and grow balls enough to face reality, and not the select parts of reality that you think are easy to deal w/ or photogenic, and until you can stop playing games w/ words, intent, context, and definition and therefore LYING by the act of manipulation, what you have to say will be regarded as lies-
..b/c I don't care how much you don't like the way the message was delivered- it's true- you're a liar and a coward to boot.
@ryddelwearsahat my desire to protect the helpless (elderly, disabled, unborn, etc.) makes me a nazi? The national socialists sorta did the opposite.
FYI, consult and adoption agency. Pregnant girls/women can make a deal to allow their child to be adopted into a loving home. They can changed their mind whenever, maintain contact, get full custody anytime they want, or even remain anonymous.
Glad to hear you are a nurse. That is an honorable profession.
@ryddelwearsahat Sounds like you need some counseling. Quit trying to sound like a martyr. I've seen and heard countless pro-choicers proclaim they wish their mothers had "made the choice". Its non-sense.
"when I was in the womb, I, like you, her, everyone else, did not EXIST yet"
Look up a modern book on fetal development. You'll be surprised.
@ryddelwearsahat "Women don't have feelings and aren't worth protecting..?"
Either your reading comprehension is lagging or you are just trying to be sensationalist. When did I ever say that? I believe all innocent human life is worth protecting, regardless of gender, age, etc. etc. etc.
@ryddelwearsahat be careful about outlandish internet claims. If true, you have my sympathies. A lot of what ifs arise reading your autobiography here, like why didn't your mother call the police or something at some point. I doubt he was omnipresent to stop her.
@ryddelwearsahat The right to life is the most fundamental human right there is, and despite what the modern scientific medical community has discovered since 1973, people like you ignore the humanity of the unborn. Everyone deserves protection my dear, especially infants. Their lives are far more precious and important than anything you can imagine.
One last thing. Have you ever researched the physical aspects of what abortion methods entail? Lets hear you try to defend those.
@ryddelwearsahat "mockery and insults" are a two way street, and I am not afraid of calling infantcide by its name to its face. I can blunt any pro-choice arguement you throw at me. I am not a religious nut, I am well educated, and can frustrate you terribly without resorting to "mockery and insults" if you like, though I get the feeling you're upset about being offended.
Something can be both offensive and true at the same time my dear.
@ryddelwearsahat You are right about one thing. No person can "know" every reason for aborting. But that is irrelevant. For virtually any reason, abortion is however wrong.
@MarvelousSeven 'cowards afraid to face personal responsibility' as oppossed to the parents/guardians who beat a child to death every 5 hours in the USA? It's not libs or repubs who justify abortion.It's the pregnant woman herself who makes that choice. based upon her self knowledge,and integrity. Wether abortion is legal or not has little effect upon what a pregnant woman decides to do with Her pregnancy,Her body and Her choice.
@dianalee84 Lets see some proof of your sensationalist statistic.
The problem is modern medical knowledge of fetal development indicates that the obsolete 1973 logic of Roe v. Wade was wrong, & that a fetus is indeed a person. Pro-aborts thrive on ignorance of modern understanding of pre-natal development and deliberately seek to keep women in the dark as they oppose all efforts to educate women as to what their fetus looks like. Babies life is of far greater importance than woman's lifestyle
@MarvelousSeven, you're wasting you're time despite your excellent writing & solid reasoning of your argument. dianalee & rydellwearshats are oddballs whose opinions are copious & overrepresented in DOZENS of videos relating, in any way, to the abortion issue. They completely disregard the 500-character limit, the reason behind it, the rights of other users by posting comments remotely related to a vid over & over & over again. They want it to seem like all utube is pro-bort.
@FlyUnicornsFly Thank you! I might be wasting my time, but on the outside chance of causing them to question their beliefs and find human respect for the unborn, I spell it out the way it is (it has worked before, even on the internet).
I am glad to see others on the good side. Good on you!
Not so clever. While it is logical to refrain from killing a baby because they might grow up to do great things, it is illogical to kill a baby because they might grow up to do bad things.
Do you know how many starving kids are in the adoption systems. Force the pregnant teens into births and let them become welfare leeches that you're always complaining about. Fucking pro-births..
it doesn't matter what a child will be, nobody can be condemned to death for possibilities! Anybody could become anything, we just can't know it! C'mon! This is pathetic! Pro-choice are ridiculous!
Wow, that's a great argument, we all know there's that 1 in a million chance the next baby born could potentially become the world's next Osama Bin Laden or Adolph Hitler, maybe we should pull the plug on every unborn fetus just to be safe, a world without people after all is a world without war, racism, drugs, and of course environmental degradation..
@Drooblemeister "A world without people?" What world are you talking about? Certainly not this one, as we're nearing a population of 7 billion! You're worried that abortions might cause a world without people? Go educate yourself on the issue of overpopulation..
LOL, I don't really think the world's population is going to seriously decline anytime soon. But the person who made this video obviously picked a weak argument to present his case, I was just applying his logic to any or all pregnancies; why did you or I deserve life but not the baby in the video? I'm not sure what overpopulation you're referring to, last time I checked, the Western world has a failing fertility rate, well below the replacement level. 'Overpopulation' is old news..
@Drooblemeister Last time you checked? Go check again, immigration from overpopulated regions is more than making up for any decline in western birthrates, nice try though. :P
Why did we deserve birth but not the baby in the video? It's nothing to do with whether we're "deserving" or not, it has to do with whether the women we were in carry us to term or not. Pretty simple. Don't worry about the fetus, it doesn't know, think, read the future, miss what is never knows, doesn't feel pain...
Let me ask you a simple, honest question, do you believe your life has more value than the last baby that was aborted or the next one that will be? There are plenty of mothers who kept their child but clearly don't want anything to do with their children, do they have not have any value because they are unwanted or neglected by their mother (or father)?
every unborn child is osama bin ladan and well someone is running out of excuses for pro choice what about all the aborted children who could have been the next peace keeper of the world
The irony is that you're advocating killing somebody based upon speculation about what they may become. It's a pre-emptive strike. It's like racial profiling, saying "because certain characteristics are true of you, you are more likely to turn out bad." Absolutely ridiculous. Why should babies pay for potential crimes, rather then the crimes they actually commit, which in utero is exactly zero?
@NormBetland says:"because certain characteristics are true of you, you are more likely to turn out bad." Absolutely ridiculous.
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PROOF: Kids of Teen mother: ONLY 1/3 get HS diploma. 80% will be on welfare, have lower birth weights, are more likely to perform poorly in school, do drugs, join gangs, be violent, and are at greater risk of abuse and neglect & are 13 percent more likely to end up in prison
@NormBetland says: because certain characteristics are true of you, you are more likely to turn out bad." Absolutely ridiculous
~~~~~~ Riduclous? Adopted kids: 44% of adopted males will be imprisoned, compared to 1% of the gen. public. 53 % of adults that were adopted are unemployed. 45% reported living on food stamps,Prevalence of PTSDamong Vietnam veterans: 15% - Prevalence of adopted kids w/ PTSD 25%.. 55% experience homelessness
@NormBetland says:characteristics are true of you, you are more likely to turn out bad." Absolutely ridiculous
~~~~~~~~ An unwanted child: can have negative health, social, and psychological consequences. including greater chances for illness &death for both mother and child, social problems, including divorce, poverty, child abuse, & juvenile delinquency, an insecure family life resulting in criminal behavior, being on welfare, and receiving psychiatric services.
@NormBetland says: because certain characteristics are true of you, you are more likely to turn out bad." Absolutely ridiculous.
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Poverty: because children are at such an impressionable age, the scars from experiencing poverty early in life inevitably carry on into their adult life. "Childhood lays the foundations for adult abilities, interests, and motivation." if they learn certain poverty-related behaviors in childhood, the behaviors are more likely to perpetuate and thats BAD!
@NormBetland says: Why should babies pay for potential crimes, rather then the crimes they actually commit,
~~~~~~~~~~ Why should poor, unwanted, children of teens, adopted kids and all the rest of the negative situations available, be given a life that will definately have a huge a RISK? Thats what I call CHOSEN child abuse.
@NormBetland "Why should babies pay for potential crimes rather then the crimes they actually commit, which in utero is exactly zero?" Babies should not have to pay for crimes, nor should they be forced upon unwilling people as punishments or burdens. Babies should have rights--to be wanted, loved, provided for, valued.....if these basic rights are not available while it's still just a fetus, there is no sense in forcing it into existence. This has proved more harmful than beneficial.
So we are to kill all babies who may end up in broken homes to be raised by a single mother? Sounds like King Herod's solution to the problem of a new King of Israel being born -- kill all children in Bethlehem under 2 years.
And your video portrayed Bin Laden as a poor kid from a broken home, which is the opposite of the truth. But, then again, isn't that what pro-abortion people do naturally, distort the truth? (Hint: the answer is YES)
I suppose all these poor innocent women are forced into sex and cant afford to go to the dollar store to buy a condom. Tell me the truth sweetie, are you a satanist. I bet you are. Im not scared of you, you only fight people to little to fight back. People like you dont have backbones. you just like ripping the back bones out of babies.
@mscheesymac Guess what happens with those dollar store condoms? They're cheap, they break! Blahhh! Dollar store condoms aren't infallible! Neither are the expensive ones. If only everything were so easy, hey.
Oh, and out of curiosity, her animals, what? At least finish your sentence.
Also I have know many kids growing up who were in broken homes, abuse, ect.....and because of their hardships they are some of the nicest, loveing, hardworking people i know today in my adult life, they say i want my kids to have what I didn't" and guess what? they do just that, give them what they didn't have" love, alife, a childhood. And most of them are some of the most respected ppl for instance BARACK OBAMA!!! He was one of those hardships now he is president! proved my point :)
@Diamondgruff says: have know many kids growing up who were in broken homes, abuse, ect.....and because of their hardships they are some of the nicest,
~~~~~~~~~~ This isnt about the handful of kids YOU know, you dumbass...its about the stats of hundreds of thousands. How old are you???
Ok well truth be known an abortion can be preformed through all 9 months of pregnancy and not just for medical reasons if you just simply don't want it by 8 months of prgnancy or even a week before the due date you can abort it, well the baby a week befor its born is no different then at the time of birth you ppl are saying it feels nothing until its unattached from its mom BS! unless medical resoning how can u justify aborting a 8 to 9 month pregnancy? u can't!!!
@Diamondgruff says: unless medical resoning how can u justify aborting a 8 to 9 month pregnancy? u can't!!!
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LOLO<, You dont know too much aboutt his subject do you? A women can say she is going to kill herself w/o an abortion and she can get one....and there dosent even HAVE to a reason. YOu have NO idea what goes on in the privacy of docs offices, do you? WOMEN WILL NEVER GO W/O AN ABORITON AT ANY TIME SHE WANTS ONE. You have alot to learn sweetie.
@Sueezee1 Women who abort pregnancies that far along are animals anyway, just go ahead and gut them on the table just like your doing their infants.. good bye good riddance
@mscheesymac says: Women who abort pregnancies that far along are animals anywa
~~~~~~~~~~~~ of course we are animals...we ARE the human animal. And, just like other animals who kill their undesirable offspring after birth...we do it before. So whats your point?
@mscheesymac says: You just proved my point, yuo admit your dogs.
~~~~~~~~~~ Always love hearing the deep, intellectual comments of probirthers...hahahahh! keep up the good work. By the way, what in the hell does "your dogs" mean??? I dont have a dog... so how can my dog be ANYhting?? How old are you? LOL
@Sueezee1 Your one of those hard core abortionists who have absolutely no conscience. If you will kill an infant with no remorse, you'll kill anybody. I bet you have wet dreams about killing people. Bet I see you on Nancy Grace one day.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever seen in my entire life. That baby has just as much of a chance of curing cancer than he does becoming a terrorist. Some of the most brilliant people in this world have had tough lives growing up and I'm sure they were happy their mothers chose life.
97% of all abortion are done in the first few months when the contents of an abortion are barely visible, and to see it on YT, type in "Early Surgical Abortion POC identification", and see how unlike these prolife vids it actually is..
@jlmknight you draw that line using science. Start with the first cell, because, prior to that, everything is just parts. "Pro choice" means that someone has the right to kill their child. Even California, which is probably the most pro-choice state in the Union, has a fetal homicide law which treats fetuses of any age as human -- except when they are being aborted by will of their mother. That means that mom can kill her child right up to the moment that the child emerges. Is it right?
Wow. So some people become bad people. We should kill them before they get a chance. It may be a joke and I wish the pro-choice idiots would run this on mainstream media but I'm pretty sure that the people who lost loved ones in those towers don't think it's very funny. Besides we are who we chose to become we are not born that already. He wasn't born a terrorist he chose to become one. As an adult not as an unborn baby.
im not prochoice bc my child might become a terrorist im pro choice because a fetus is apart of my body and i have a right to my body....this is silly
@PimpMyParadigm Actually it is not part of your body- the baby is genetically different from you. If you became pregnant with a boy- does that mean YOU are a boy?
@PimpMyParadigm Yes, a fetus cannot survive without the mother, but at the same time, neither can any baby out of the womb either. Just because something is not self-reliant, does not give the caretaker the right to kill that thing.
So, if you had a siamese twin, would you kill it? lolol jk that's a bit "irrelevant" I guess, but seriously, if you really didn't want to get pregnant, stop being cheap and buy some condoms and birth pills and shit or don't have sex. And, okay, if you got raped, It's still not the baby who raped you, my gosh. Plus, if you were at a party or something, it's most likely your fault you got raped in the first place if you were drunk or are known for wearing skimpy clothing. :D
@selinastormr Birth control fails, and sorry, but don't nazi other people's sex lives, pervert. Pregnancy is horrible, even when you WANT to have a kid. When it's an accident(god forbid it be a rape-product!) it is ten times WORSE when you don't want it. Adoption only works AFTER you give birth, before that, it's just 'sucks to be you' and then 'here let me pray for you' or 'let me 'counsel' you' or here 'let me pay some bills for you'.. and otherwise, fuck the woman's feelings.. Sorry, no. -c
what the fuck? no shit birth controls have a chance of failing, but just because you use protection and take extra precautions doesn't change the fact that you stuck it in there to begin with. which is why i was using an example of you lighting a candle on someone's front porch. It doesn't matter if you secured it with nails or hid it under a fucking box. It's still your fault you put it there to begin with.
And REALLY? calling me a pervert is the best you can do? dumbfuck
@selinastormr Consent to sex is not consent to reproduction, for humans. We aren't mindless mating animals, going into./out of heat like dogs. Sex is so much more for us- denying that, or turning an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy into a punishment for sex you deem irresponsible.. just defeats your whole argument, and is inhuman. Accidents happen, and we can fix those accidents. Well, what else ARE you, if you're so interested in other people's private sex lives and how/why/when they have sex? -c
-c You're like a peeping-tom, can't stay out of other people's bedrooms, b/c you want to nazi their reproduction. Lol, thanks for doing my thinking and my living for me, by speaking out for me as to why I had an abortion and how I felt about it. You REALLY know me, you know that?
...lol sarcasm. Sorry, it wasn't out of self-pity. It's alos NOT b/c i 'hate' kids or w/e, or was being selfish(even though you'll likely accuse me of it. I love being insulted and lied to/about by strangers!) or -c
-c anything like that. And lastly, no 'baby' is present during an abortion- it is a zygote, an embryo, or at worst, a fetus. Babies are BORN- why do you think we celebrate BIRTHdays, instead of sex-days? Why do you think all talk about pregnancy puts the 'baby' in future-tense? 'a bun in the oven' 'one on the way' 'were havING a baby'
Ever since language has been around, people have KNOWN it's only a potentiality, not an actuality. You're trying to re-write the english language, and history.
Actually, yes, that's one of the things that have been annoying me. Especially how they're labelled 0months old when they're first born because it gives people more of a reason to think that a fertilized egg isn't an actual baby. When really, what is a zygote or an embryo? a rock that's going to come to life, because, you know.. It's dead, right? Use scientific names all you want, I don't really care, but stop trying to change the fact that it IS a baby.
also, you're speaking as if you were a scientist. And c'mon, do you honestly believe that scientists are known to have good morals? Seriously though, do you think that, if abortions weren't so available to everyone and no one did it then tried to find reasons why what they did was okay, this argument would even be here? I mean, actually think about the whole situation WITHOUT USING ANY WORDS. None at all. Because words screw things up, yeah?
Also, now I'm kind of thinking that the only reason people DO side with pro-choice is because either them or someone close to them has or may one day need to get an abortion. Right? Tell me I'm wrong. For example, why do you think so many pro-life leaders are men? It's most likely both of the facts that men will never have to experience child birth and are usually less emotional. And frankly, the topic on what's wrong and right have NOTHING TO DO WITH EMOTIONS.
@selinastormr Sorry, but thinking about pregnancy being forced on someone makes me sick to my stomach. I'd rather die than go through an unwanted pregnancy.. literally. Scientifically speaking, abortion is perfectly moral. Sorry but facts outweigh opinions, and I don't care about the 'photogenic' quality of my beliefs or politics.. I care about their validity. Truth actually DOES matter to me. And truth is, a fetus is not equal in value to a born infant to an actual thinking, feeling person. -c
-c Until born, we are ALL parasites. Deny it, and you deny basic biological facts. And chances are, you will b/c you, like too many other pro'life'rs out there, are shallow, uneducated, human egoists. Get over your big bad self and accept your own damn biology. And biologically speaking, a zygote, an embryo, a fetus are NOT independent, thinking, feeling, conscious, separate and /born/ children.. they're developing human meat. Yeah, it's coldly put- but an ugly truth is better than a glorified-c
-c lie. Dude, TONS of pro-choicers are pro-choice for LOADS if different reasons, and one of them may just be that.. simply put, they, like me, think forced reproduction is WRONG. The ONLY way you can BE pro'life' and 'justify' the idea of FORCING that ideaology on others is to deliberately, openly LIE about women who have abortions- speaking, thinking, feeling, and experiencing it all FOR them, and REFUSING them their own reasons, and then denying/re-writing, or manipulating medical facts.
-c You have no right to judge strangers, or a woman who aborts, b/c you don't know ANYTHING about how she feels inside, or what will/won't happen- all you have is the HOPE it all works out... and then pity, condescension, insults, and mockery- if not all-out open hostility and hate for those who disagree w/ you or fail to live up to your standards. You are the main REASON women have abortions- you have nothing positive to offer, just disdain. 'its most likely your fault you got raped'. Evil!
oh ohohoh okay, wait! (I'm gonna use some imagination here btw LOL) so let's say you had a boyfriend and whilst you were gettin et ohn, you intended to tell him that you really didn't want his relatives to stay in your guys' house. However, you knew there was a slight chance he might not hear you, but you didn't really take the time in extra precautions and tell him later on aswell. So, one morning you wake up to find his relatives sleeping on your couch... continued
... continued and it turns out that his relatives had been welcomed in by him. (well, he may have not really liked the idea of them staying either, but it was kinda his fault that their house burnt down because he lit a candle on their front porch and the wind blew it over and burnt down the building [LOL]) SO, anyways, you really dislike them and YOU WILL HAVE TO BE STUCK WITH THEM for nine months while their house gets rebuilt... continued
... continued. So, you'll have two choices: when the nine months are up, they will be able to leave and then you can choose if you would like to continue seeing them or not. (You may get a little hurt helping them carry their stuff out and your house might get a little messy, but you can clean that up and they'll be gone at least). Or, before the nine months are over, you kick them out and they'll die because they have no one else to turn to.
@selinastormr And by the way, there are homeless shelters everywhere- so your story was just.. insulting. If you want to make fun of rape victims, go GET RAPED. I AM A RAPE PRODUCT. You made fun of my physically-handicapped, and abused mother. Thanks! You know she committed suicide, right? B/c she was FORCED to have me? Oh, she loved me, yeah- but being FORCED to go through it all and re-live it destroyed her INSIDE. I'd RATHER have been aborted, for HER sake. Rape=funny to you? Youre worthless.
HOLY SHIT IT WAS THEORETICAL NOT REALISTIC. WHAT THE FUCK.
And I never made fun of rape victims, but even if you did get raped, it still doesn't make it the baby's fault. It makes it the RAPISTS fault.
But even so, the only reason someone would want to kill their child is because they feel sorry for themselves and need to destroy anything to do with the rapist. Which, I mean is completely understandable, (going through such a traumatic event).. continued
but it doesn't change the fact that it's very wrong. (killing something because you're emotional) And I don't care what they're told for them to think otherwise. Because if you need someone to tell you why what you're doing is okay, then obviously it's not. For example, if no one had ever gotten an abortion before and no one knew what it was or if it was right or wrong, would you still get the thought of killing your baby and not thinking a thing was a bit off about it? fuck
@selinastormr I don't need someone to justify my actions. Your argument there is flawed- that hypothetical is just.. rediculous. If I didn't want to be pregnant, and I was, I'd find a way to be NOT pregnant, fast. Whether suicide, or the first abortion ever. People aren't stupid, stop pretending they all are. Also, your -killing b/c your emotional- thing.. is hilarious.. you DO realize rape does NOT kill, but you have a right to kill to stop/prevent a rape, right? It's just an 'inconvenience' ?
Uhm... We are debating what should be legal in AMERICA. Bin Laden was born in the middle east. I guess the pro-choice position is "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out." Brilliant ladies and gentlemen. Is that really the best argument you can come up with to support your position? Wow.
@propertyandlandsale says: I guess the pro-choice position is "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out." Brilliant ladies and gentlemen. Is that really the best argument you can come up with to support your position?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Abortion is legal...we dont need to come up with anything!
This is about as stupid as they come. Yeah let's kill someone so that they can't kill anyone! That makes perfect sense, huh?? And just as a PS for this BS, it's far more likely that Bin Laden had little or nothing to do with 9/11 which makes this even more ridiculous! This is only proof that the pro choice side is eyeball deep in morons and is loosing ground fast. This is the best you could come up with? Sorry, try again!!
Some argue against tough laws about proof in court cases becasue so many evil people get away with crime. But the US has always said it would rather that some evil people get away with crime than for innocent people to be unjustly punished. Would that kind of argument work here. Would it not be better to err on the side that we might be killing many great people by abortion than worrying about the bad ones?
YOU ARE SICK! Are you really implying that abortion is acceptable because terrible people exist? Terrible people will exist in this world with or without abortion, but we may have already eliminated the baby who would grow up to be the next great scientific or mathematical mind, or even the person who would grow up to cure cancer!
I didn't have my father in my life for a good number (perhaps eight or nine?) years of my life, my mother is single, and my family life may not be 'broken', but it sure isn't in a the greatest conditions.
Should I not be alive, then, according to this video? o_O
Now, if we could just tell who would turn into an Osama and who would end up a Martin Luther King Jr we could implement this wonderfully retarded idea!
Well Done,so many prolifers say'you maybe killing (NICE PERSON OF CHOICE) but it works bothways..it could've been Ted Bundy,Hitler,George W Bush...Abortions legal,don't like it? DON'T HAVE ONE
Pro-life supports are always quick to defend the 'life' inside but they never actually think of the child that it will grow into. Its all good saying 'abortion kills' But if that child is born into a broken home then the chances are that child will die, not physically, but emtionally and will end up living a life of torment and saddness. I think its sick to wish that on a child. And 'women should have to live with their mistakes' . Do people really want that child to be seen as a mistake?
xxSophiexSmithxx 1 week ago
@xxSophiexSmithxx what if, what if.
MarvelousSeven 1 week ago
@MarvelousSeven Yes because life is full of what ifs and people should think about every situation, not just ones that are black and white
xxSophiexSmithxx 1 week ago
@xxSophiexSmithxx I sure am glad no one tried to use "what if" about me to rationalize if I got to live.
MarvelousSeven 1 week ago
@MarvelousSeven So what if your mum got raped and had you? Oh but you dont care as long as your alive thats all that matters, who cares that your mums emotionally scard.
xxSophiexSmithxx 1 week ago
@xxSophiexSmithxx Oh, the ever-so-over-played "rape card"....
If I found out today that my father raped my mother and made me, I would feel just as worthy to exist as everyone else. I recommend you research the psychological effects of rape and compare them to abortion (your apparent "rape remedy"). They are VERY similar. Why put women through that?
Second, if the victim receives medical treatment w/in 96 hours, abortion isn't necessary.
MarvelousSeven 1 week ago
@xxSophiexSmithxx Check into Planned Parenthood's own advertized numbers. According to them, the #1 profiteer of abortion, rape accounts for less than 1% of the reasons why women seek abortions. Why? See above mention of w/in 96 hours.
Might I ask what the child did to merit captial punishment? Yes, the mother is a victim of rape, but does that justify the child being a victim of murder? Pro-aborts always try to use the "rape card" to justify their monsterous institution.
MarvelousSeven 1 week ago
@MarvelousSeven Yes the rape card how so like pro lifers to throw the truma away so easily, it may only be 1% but that could still include over a thousand women considering how large the population is, you just dont care about anything but the fetus, you people don't even care about the actual children, and Being forced into having sex is completely different than having a choice wether or not you want an abortion
xxSophiexSmithxx 1 week ago
@MarvelousSeven and I studied human behaviour for 2 years so dont you dare tell me to research the effects it has, I can't belive you have said rape is silmilar to abortion, you obviously dont have a clue about what you are talking about. Many women truly consider wether or not they can sustain a child and if they think they cant then they have the choice to reconsider, rape is detremental, being forced to do something that is intimate, while recieving abuse
xxSophiexSmithxx 1 week ago
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@MarvelousSeven And the thing that trumps all pro-lifers is the fact that it is LAW that makes abortion legal, and if you think for some reason YOU are above the Law then you must have a brain made from cement. And you know what you can do if you dont agree with the LAW in your country... Get the fuck out and move to a country where abortion is illegal, then you'll be a happy chappy , but youll probably find something to whine about and fight against.
xxSophiexSmithxx 1 week ago
So he will become the previous president...
demolishunDOTcom 2 weeks ago
This is really sick. .00001 percent of the worlds population are psycopaths. If life is so horrible, which US statistics show that over half (50%) of us grow up in broken homes without one parent or another. We all choose the evils or good we commit. Using this argument for abortion is like saying that legalizing suicide will somehow help the murder rate. Need I remind anyone that Margaret Sanger, founder of PP, attended many Klan meetings, and 71% of PP abortion clinics are in black hoods.
alielbaryeshua 2 weeks ago 5
@alielbaryeshua Right on! Tell it like it is!
MarvelousSeven 2 weeks ago
For future refrence everyone:
Ignore person called "ryddelwearsahat"
She trolls abortion topic sites, uses cut and paste arguements that are essentially infantile, poorly spelled rants that will invariably end up comparing you to hitler, being "pro-rape", a coward (because she is REAL brave acting like a spoiled brat on the internet), etc, etc.
She does this because she knows abortion cannot withstand frank discussion. Rather than reason, she distracts & name calls. That is her modus operandi
MarvelousSeven 2 weeks ago
@MarvelousSeven ....really?
You're that pissed b/c I called you out for your bullshit that you're trying to label me as a troll publicly?
ryddelwearsahat 1 week ago
@MarvelousSeven You're so big to sit and whine about it all, and even snap-off on my channel w/ your little 'last word i win!!' thing.
You failed to prove a single thing I said wrong, twisted what I had to say out of context SO your could argue against something I said when I NEVER even said it to begin w/-
Then tantrum'd and block'd me.
You have the nerve to piss like a bitch and try to get people to ignore me?
B/c I used 'dirty words' and called you out for your games?
ryddelwearsahat 1 week ago
im pretty sure this is a joke
t0nyram 3 weeks ago 8
You keep calling me a liar, yet you can't prove any of it. But that doesn't matter. Your desperation into internet yelling, name calling, and wild accusations will do you know good. I have frustrated you and your arguements with FACTS. Mission accomplished.
I am going to let you be angry one the internet by yourself, and know that you may one day find yourself on the wrong side of history next to those who supported slavery (another human right's injustice this country had).
Adios.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
"the ends do NOT justify the means"
Tell that to 50 million aborted american babies since 1973.
Really, you're calling me Hitler now? Wow, you've really sunk comically low.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
I laughed at this stupidness. This video shows lack of integrity, humanity, dignity, and self-security. Anyone who agrees with this argument proves him/her-herself a coward. Killing an innocent life in fear that the child might one day become a terrorist shows that you have no courage or respect. Any man who believes in this argument or abortion is a living contradiction of what being a man means. For women, it shows that you don't understand human dignity or your own feminity.
KAJN94 3 weeks ago
I'm pro-choice myself, but this has to be one of the worst arguments I have ever seen. Any pro-life person can say that this fetus can become Albert Einstein just as much as the fetus can become Adolf Hitler. You just don't know. Compare anything to 9/11 and it looks bad.
tuberpirate129 4 weeks ago
Or the child of a single mother with an abandoned father could become the doctor to find the cure to cancer-WHAT"S YOUR POINT??!!
gwhpfan23537 1 month ago
Yeah, ending defenseless child's life based on hypotheticals of "WHAT IF they have a hard life" etc is a cop-out for cowards afraid to face the personal accountability of becoming parents. Its just insane liberals can justify abortion based on "what ifs".
MarvelousSeven 1 month ago 3
@MarvelousSeven Like the morons who believe every single aobrted fetus was going to cute cancer, become president, or become a movie star?
..That game goes both ways- and you don't know everyone's reason for aborting. Also, it's very cheap, unimaginative, and, well, cowardly, that petty mockery and insults are all you have to defend your political stance. If you actually cared about whatever 'children get aborted, you'd show more respect for your own cause, and to others.
ryddelwearsahat 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat I'd rather give the child the chance to succeed by protecting their right to life rather than off them to protect my life style (which is really what is at stake). Rationalizing they could turn out bad in some way is doing mental gymnastics to justify homocide is the most cowardly thing I can imagine.
Respect? When I demonstrate within my rights, I am constantly cussed out, called everything under the sun by your so-called "rational and civil" pro-choicers.
MarvelousSeven 1 month ago
@MarvelousSeven ....sad that you do not view women as people, or view their needs and desires and independence or rights or health as something worth protecting or ensuring.
Is a fetus a born baby?
..or is it inside of, attached to, and thus part of, the woman until born?
Can an embryo or fetus be adopted, or does that only work w/ bornc hildren?
Lastly- does pregnancy, or does pregnancy NOT, affect EVERY aspect of a woman's immediate life?
ryddelwearsahat 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat Oh here it comes. Now I am a "pro-life misogynist".
Based on 21st century medical knowledge of fetal development, I see a helpless, unborn child as being just as worthy of "personhood" status and certainly view their rights as independent, genetically unique human beings worth protecting. I stand to protect the innocent and defenseless.
Yes, a fetus is an unborn baby, and I sure as hell hope you are not one of those fools who thinks life begins only at birth.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
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MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat Yes, an unborn child can be slated for adoption into a loving home. Go ahead, just you TRY to attack in institution of adoption.
Yes, an unborn child is just as human as a born one. What else would it be? Look at the scientific developments SINCE Roe v. Wade was passed nearly 40 years ago. Abortion supporters have to hide from modern science. How...sad, you might say that they do not see the unborn as human children.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat "..or is it inside of, attached to, and thus part of, the woman until born?"
Let me ask you this: what about other people in our society who depend on others to survive? The handicapped and disabled. Are they less human than you or I? They ARE a burden aren't they? The DO effect EVERY aspect of men and womens' lives? They have human rights. Unborn children are likewise dependent on their mothers. Born children need attention too. What about them?
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat Yes, a pregnancy DOES EFFECT EVERY ASPECT of a woman's life. Regardless of outcome, irrevocably.
Nevertheless, the child's right to life is the paramount issue, and should not be extinguished at a whim to facilitate a parent's escape of accountability, nor because they kid might be burden some day or whatever elective excuse you wish to conjur.
You know, the very fact that you can read this means you weren't aborted. If anything, be greatful for that.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@MarvelousSeven Your rights stop where another's begins- and the woman was there first. Oh, you want me to be grateful that my mother was raped while she was physically handicapped, by her alcoholic and abusive husband, and was FORCED to ahve me against her will under threat of battery, getting killed or getting sent to a nursing home..?
...No, I wasn't aborted- and my mother wasn't ALLOWED to make a choice-
Careful who you talk to, and what you demand I be grateful for. -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 weeks ago
-c I'm NOT grateful to be a rape-product, or a product of slavery, abuse, and torture. My life is not a product of love, or life, or liberty, or humanity- it is a product of evil and fear and rape and human cruelty. I am a rape-product and I will NOT mock a victim of rape, or dehumanize them and take away their feelings. So fuck you, rape-loving sexist. Women don't have feelings and aren't worth protecting..?
Have you ever read your mother's suicide note? It's REALLY nice, -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 weeks ago
-c right, getting to read your mother's suicide note, and grow up getting to listen to, see her get beaten up by your dad, her rapist/abusive husband, and get beaten up yourself? Ever get to listen to your own mother get raped?
Ever got told to your face by your mother she didn't want to have you? Ever read her suicide note after living for 19 years and read that she loves you, ect- but wishes she'd aborted you?
I could not THINK or FEEL when I was an embryo or fetus. -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 weeks ago
-c I had no memory, opinions, self-consciousness, no self-awareness.. when I was in the womb, I, like you, her, everyone else, did not EXIST yet. I was a chunk of human meat ONLY. If my mother aborted me I'd never have known or cared, and it would not have mattered b/c all that mattered at that time was HER. I actually regret being BORN, for reasons aforementioned. I regret that her CHOICE was not allowed, even at the expense of my EXISTENCE, It is out of RESPECT. You are a -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 weeks ago
-c LIAR, you are SEXIST, you are a fucking NAZI- and so is literally every single one of your kind. Sorry, but you LIED- a born child can be adopted and is not dependent on the mother like a fetus or embryo is. Sorry, but you LIED- the elderly and handicapped are not FORCED on, dependent on, ONE person- instead people like ME, willing nurses, actively CHOOSE to care for them out of free will- they are only burdensome when FORCED and they are not FORCED on anyone. Also, you -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 weeks ago
-c have LIED again- I never said a fetus wasn't human, I said it wasn't a person- you are a liar, and/OR you just illiterate- human, fetus, person, embryo, baby, born, alive, and pregnant do not all mean the same thing- get a better education. OH WOW YOU LIED AGAIN- I had no idea a, embryo or fetus in the womb could be adopted and removed, and given, right then and there, from the womb to an adopted family- I thought adoption only worked AFTER it was BORN.. Now, stop playing -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 weeks ago
-c stupid, stop playing word/context games like a manipulative little coward, and tell me, honestly- whether or not you think rape is good or bad, and whether or not you think a woman's feelings and health are WORTH sacrificing for a 9month long RAPE.
You're talking to a rape-product, you're talking to a woulda-shoulda been-abortion.. You're talking to a mother, a nurse, a wife, a pro-choicer.
Hitler was wrong you know- the ends do NOT justify the means. Rape does NOT = life.
ryddelwearsahat 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat Wow, now you've broken down into the same name-calling angry rant you initially scolded me when we first started this discussion. :-)
First, Planned Parenthood's own figures show rape to be the reason behind less than 1% of abortions. But nice way to just yell loud enough and often enough about something about me that isn't true. But then again, like V.I. Lenin said "A lie told enough times becomes the truth".
You have my sympathy and condolences over your life experiences
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat Just remember that all people have a right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The unborn are, by modern scientific definition, as human as everyone else. As such they are entitled to life. Just as slave owners used arguements to justify their infringement on other human beings, so to do pro-choicers use theirs to justify the destruction of the unborn. Everyone deserves human rights.
It really is sad, and I hope you change your mind on the subject some day. Okay?
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@MarvelousSeven By the way- no frustration- pretty much everything I say on here, about this subject, is pre-typed and copy/pasted. I pick out which way the message is delivered depending on how I am spoken to, and in what context... namely b/c I've yet to hear a single new, intelligent, or vaguely interesting argument, accusation, insult, or claim from a single pro'life'r. I do this to waste time while waiting for stuff IRL.
I have a lot of experience in this matter, and -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 weeks ago
-c since I have a talent for linguistics most people in this game don't- it is VERY easy for me to convert people to the side that supports intelligence, freedom, and basic fucking dignity- the pro-choice side.. or at the very least batter away at their claims and points of arguement until they have self-doubt or are so mortified by the results of their own politicking that they never open their traps again... atleast not in public.
My method actually works, around, oh, 60% -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 weeks ago
-c of the time? I've been doing this free-time for about.. 2 years now- maybe a little more. I've helped a lot of people and changed a lot of lives and converted many a politicker. If all i do is offend you and lose you, who cares? There are more I can reach and support and educate... I've convinced 9 women and 7 teens to abort, 4 tens to adopt, and counseled many women out of post-abortion grief and self-blame. I've also converted many out of their judeo-xtain faith. =)
Win.
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MarvelousSeven 2 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat Just so we are clear, you have been blocked. I win.
I'd rather not waste my time arguing with someone who resorts to seeking moral high ground by repetitive slander, pathetic attempts to discredit by cap typing the word "lie" without proof of dishonesty, and most laughably, comparing someone to hitler. All you've shown is how you yourself must resort to insults and mockery and what you have said, no matter how melodramatic, does not reflect credit to your cause.
Toodles.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@MarvelousSeven When all else faisl, covers your ears and say 'lalala i cant hear you'.
..nice.
Too bad that when faced w/ the direct and negative results of your own ideaology, you try to block someone after snapping off a curt little gripe about the way they communicate- all the while failing to bring anything of real value to the table, and beng incapable of proving a single thing they said to be false.
All I did was make you uncomfortable w/ the reality of YOUR ideals. -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 weeks ago
-c Until you can move one, and grow balls enough to face reality, and not the select parts of reality that you think are easy to deal w/ or photogenic, and until you can stop playing games w/ words, intent, context, and definition and therefore LYING by the act of manipulation, what you have to say will be regarded as lies-
..b/c I don't care how much you don't like the way the message was delivered- it's true- you're a liar and a coward to boot.
So run. =)
ryddelwearsahat 3 weeks ago
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MarvelousSeven 2 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat again, consult an adoption agency for the facts, othewise, stop typing.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat my desire to protect the helpless (elderly, disabled, unborn, etc.) makes me a nazi? The national socialists sorta did the opposite.
FYI, consult and adoption agency. Pregnant girls/women can make a deal to allow their child to be adopted into a loving home. They can changed their mind whenever, maintain contact, get full custody anytime they want, or even remain anonymous.
Glad to hear you are a nurse. That is an honorable profession.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat Sounds like you need some counseling. Quit trying to sound like a martyr. I've seen and heard countless pro-choicers proclaim they wish their mothers had "made the choice". Its non-sense.
"when I was in the womb, I, like you, her, everyone else, did not EXIST yet"
Look up a modern book on fetal development. You'll be surprised.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat You're not fully developed as a human until your early 20s. Whats your point?
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat even if you are a "rape product" you're still a valued human being entitled to human dignity.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat "Women don't have feelings and aren't worth protecting..?"
Either your reading comprehension is lagging or you are just trying to be sensationalist. When did I ever say that? I believe all innocent human life is worth protecting, regardless of gender, age, etc. etc. etc.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat be careful about outlandish internet claims. If true, you have my sympathies. A lot of what ifs arise reading your autobiography here, like why didn't your mother call the police or something at some point. I doubt he was omnipresent to stop her.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat The right to life is the most fundamental human right there is, and despite what the modern scientific medical community has discovered since 1973, people like you ignore the humanity of the unborn. Everyone deserves protection my dear, especially infants. Their lives are far more precious and important than anything you can imagine.
One last thing. Have you ever researched the physical aspects of what abortion methods entail? Lets hear you try to defend those.
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
@ryddelwearsahat "mockery and insults" are a two way street, and I am not afraid of calling infantcide by its name to its face. I can blunt any pro-choice arguement you throw at me. I am not a religious nut, I am well educated, and can frustrate you terribly without resorting to "mockery and insults" if you like, though I get the feeling you're upset about being offended.
Something can be both offensive and true at the same time my dear.
MarvelousSeven 1 month ago
@ryddelwearsahat You are right about one thing. No person can "know" every reason for aborting. But that is irrelevant. For virtually any reason, abortion is however wrong.
MarvelousSeven 1 month ago
@MarvelousSeven 'cowards afraid to face personal responsibility' as oppossed to the parents/guardians who beat a child to death every 5 hours in the USA? It's not libs or repubs who justify abortion.It's the pregnant woman herself who makes that choice. based upon her self knowledge,and integrity. Wether abortion is legal or not has little effect upon what a pregnant woman decides to do with Her pregnancy,Her body and Her choice.
dianalee84 2 weeks ago
@dianalee84 Lets see some proof of your sensationalist statistic.
The problem is modern medical knowledge of fetal development indicates that the obsolete 1973 logic of Roe v. Wade was wrong, & that a fetus is indeed a person. Pro-aborts thrive on ignorance of modern understanding of pre-natal development and deliberately seek to keep women in the dark as they oppose all efforts to educate women as to what their fetus looks like. Babies life is of far greater importance than woman's lifestyle
MarvelousSeven 2 weeks ago
@MarvelousSeven, you're wasting you're time despite your excellent writing & solid reasoning of your argument. dianalee & rydellwearshats are oddballs whose opinions are copious & overrepresented in DOZENS of videos relating, in any way, to the abortion issue. They completely disregard the 500-character limit, the reason behind it, the rights of other users by posting comments remotely related to a vid over & over & over again. They want it to seem like all utube is pro-bort.
FlyUnicornsFly 2 weeks ago
@FlyUnicornsFly Thank you! I might be wasting my time, but on the outside chance of causing them to question their beliefs and find human respect for the unborn, I spell it out the way it is (it has worked before, even on the internet).
I am glad to see others on the good side. Good on you!
MarvelousSeven 2 weeks ago
Not so clever. While it is logical to refrain from killing a baby because they might grow up to do great things, it is illogical to kill a baby because they might grow up to do bad things.
MARLONBART 1 month ago
this would be a pro life response....since the baby lived...yay
iluvsims288 1 month ago
@iluvsims288 Ah. But you admit it is a baby though....
MarvelousSeven 3 weeks ago
Do you know how many starving kids are in the adoption systems. Force the pregnant teens into births and let them become welfare leeches that you're always complaining about. Fucking pro-births..
TheCrippledCrow 2 months ago
IF OSAMA HAD BEEN ABORTED, HUNDREDS OF AMERICANS WOULD STILL BE ALIVE!
PALOMITA694 2 months ago
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Sueezee1 2 months ago
@PALOMITA694 says: F OSAMA HAD BEEN ABORTED, HUNDREDS OF AMERICANS WOULD STILL BE ALIVE!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HOW???
Sueezee1 2 months ago
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PALOMITA694 2 months ago
@Sueezee1 Hello, Sueezee. Wasnt Osama the one who send the terrorists to wreck the world trade center?
If he had been aborted, that event would not have happened.
PRO-CHOICE IS THE BEST CHOICE!
PALOMITA694 2 months ago
@Sueezee1 um because he was the one who made the plan to send the planes there? or do you not pay attention to anything?
redbutterflygarden 1 month ago
lol what stupidity! I think this is the most stupid video I have ever seen. lol
Resource777 2 months ago
You fucked that one up in the editing. Could have been good...
thebestofchip 2 months ago
umm ok that proved little or maybe nothing
lovelydia101 2 months ago
This is just stupid.
gracehi88 2 months ago
that is so urealistic and wrong
flipingjimmy123 2 months ago
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@flipingjimmy123 says: hat is so urealistic and wrong
~~~~~~~~~~~ Wrong according to whose idea of what right and or worng? Yours?
Sueezee1 2 months ago
this is so lame
rockandroll627 3 months ago
All false!
fintyrock 3 months ago
it doesn't matter what a child will be, nobody can be condemned to death for possibilities! Anybody could become anything, we just can't know it! C'mon! This is pathetic! Pro-choice are ridiculous!
mudra108 3 months ago
Wow, that's a great argument, we all know there's that 1 in a million chance the next baby born could potentially become the world's next Osama Bin Laden or Adolph Hitler, maybe we should pull the plug on every unborn fetus just to be safe, a world without people after all is a world without war, racism, drugs, and of course environmental degradation..
Drooblemeister 3 months ago
@Drooblemeister "A world without people?" What world are you talking about? Certainly not this one, as we're nearing a population of 7 billion! You're worried that abortions might cause a world without people? Go educate yourself on the issue of overpopulation..
loathedanabhorred 3 months ago
LOL, I don't really think the world's population is going to seriously decline anytime soon. But the person who made this video obviously picked a weak argument to present his case, I was just applying his logic to any or all pregnancies; why did you or I deserve life but not the baby in the video? I'm not sure what overpopulation you're referring to, last time I checked, the Western world has a failing fertility rate, well below the replacement level. 'Overpopulation' is old news..
Drooblemeister 3 months ago
@Drooblemeister Last time you checked? Go check again, immigration from overpopulated regions is more than making up for any decline in western birthrates, nice try though. :P
Why did we deserve birth but not the baby in the video? It's nothing to do with whether we're "deserving" or not, it has to do with whether the women we were in carry us to term or not. Pretty simple. Don't worry about the fetus, it doesn't know, think, read the future, miss what is never knows, doesn't feel pain...
loathedanabhorred 3 months ago
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Let me ask you a simple, honest question, do you believe your life has more value than the last baby that was aborted or the next one that will be? There are plenty of mothers who kept their child but clearly don't want anything to do with their children, do they have not have any value because they are unwanted or neglected by their mother (or father)?
Drooblemeister 3 months ago
@Drooblemeister says: why did you or I deserve life but not the baby in the video?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ None of us "deserved " it. NONE!
Sueezee1 2 months ago
What did we deserve then??
Drooblemeister 2 months ago
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@Drooblemeister says: What did we deserve then??
~~~~~~~~~~~ WHAT?? I say, we, as embryos, didnt 'deserve" life and you ask what we deserve?? Thats a senseless question!
Sueezee1 2 months ago
every unborn child is osama bin ladan and well someone is running out of excuses for pro choice what about all the aborted children who could have been the next peace keeper of the world
lovelydia101 3 months ago
The irony is that you're advocating killing somebody based upon speculation about what they may become. It's a pre-emptive strike. It's like racial profiling, saying "because certain characteristics are true of you, you are more likely to turn out bad." Absolutely ridiculous. Why should babies pay for potential crimes, rather then the crimes they actually commit, which in utero is exactly zero?
NormBetland 3 months ago
@NormBetland says:"because certain characteristics are true of you, you are more likely to turn out bad." Absolutely ridiculous.
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PROOF: Kids of Teen mother: ONLY 1/3 get HS diploma. 80% will be on welfare, have lower birth weights, are more likely to perform poorly in school, do drugs, join gangs, be violent, and are at greater risk of abuse and neglect & are 13 percent more likely to end up in prison
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@NormBetland says: because certain characteristics are true of you, you are more likely to turn out bad." Absolutely ridiculous
~~~~~~ Riduclous? Adopted kids: 44% of adopted males will be imprisoned, compared to 1% of the gen. public. 53 % of adults that were adopted are unemployed. 45% reported living on food stamps,Prevalence of PTSDamong Vietnam veterans: 15% - Prevalence of adopted kids w/ PTSD 25%.. 55% experience homelessness
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@NormBetland says:characteristics are true of you, you are more likely to turn out bad." Absolutely ridiculous
~~~~~~~~ An unwanted child: can have negative health, social, and psychological consequences. including greater chances for illness &death for both mother and child, social problems, including divorce, poverty, child abuse, & juvenile delinquency, an insecure family life resulting in criminal behavior, being on welfare, and receiving psychiatric services.
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@NormBetland says: because certain characteristics are true of you, you are more likely to turn out bad." Absolutely ridiculous.
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Poverty: because children are at such an impressionable age, the scars from experiencing poverty early in life inevitably carry on into their adult life. "Childhood lays the foundations for adult abilities, interests, and motivation." if they learn certain poverty-related behaviors in childhood, the behaviors are more likely to perpetuate and thats BAD!
Sueezee1 3 months ago 2
@NormBetland says: Why should babies pay for potential crimes, rather then the crimes they actually commit,
~~~~~~~~~~ Why should poor, unwanted, children of teens, adopted kids and all the rest of the negative situations available, be given a life that will definately have a huge a RISK? Thats what I call CHOSEN child abuse.
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@NormBetland "Why should babies pay for potential crimes rather then the crimes they actually commit, which in utero is exactly zero?" Babies should not have to pay for crimes, nor should they be forced upon unwilling people as punishments or burdens. Babies should have rights--to be wanted, loved, provided for, valued.....if these basic rights are not available while it's still just a fetus, there is no sense in forcing it into existence. This has proved more harmful than beneficial.
loathedanabhorred 3 months ago
So we are to kill all babies who may end up in broken homes to be raised by a single mother? Sounds like King Herod's solution to the problem of a new King of Israel being born -- kill all children in Bethlehem under 2 years.
And your video portrayed Bin Laden as a poor kid from a broken home, which is the opposite of the truth. But, then again, isn't that what pro-abortion people do naturally, distort the truth? (Hint: the answer is YES)
boleggs49 3 months ago
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@boleggs49 says: isn't that what pro-abortion people do naturally, distort the truth?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ if we didnt use the truth, abortion wold be illegal. Maybe thats why YOU cant make it illegal. Yes, lets debate distorted truths!
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@boleggs49 "So we are to kill all babies who may end up in broken homes to be raised by a single mother?"
We leave that up to that single mother, it is for her to choose what happens with her body, not up to you.
loathedanabhorred 3 months ago
Obama wasn't some poor street kid from the 'hood. He grew up in a middle class family and went to one of the best universities in the world.
katrinalisa2002 3 months ago
I suppose all these poor innocent women are forced into sex and cant afford to go to the dollar store to buy a condom. Tell me the truth sweetie, are you a satanist. I bet you are. Im not scared of you, you only fight people to little to fight back. People like you dont have backbones. you just like ripping the back bones out of babies.
mscheesymac 3 months ago
@mscheesymac Guess what happens with those dollar store condoms? They're cheap, they break! Blahhh! Dollar store condoms aren't infallible! Neither are the expensive ones. If only everything were so easy, hey.
Oh, and out of curiosity, her animals, what? At least finish your sentence.
loathedanabhorred 3 months ago
Also I have know many kids growing up who were in broken homes, abuse, ect.....and because of their hardships they are some of the nicest, loveing, hardworking people i know today in my adult life, they say i want my kids to have what I didn't" and guess what? they do just that, give them what they didn't have" love, alife, a childhood. And most of them are some of the most respected ppl for instance BARACK OBAMA!!! He was one of those hardships now he is president! proved my point :)
Diamondgruff 4 months ago
@Diamondgruff says: have know many kids growing up who were in broken homes, abuse, ect.....and because of their hardships they are some of the nicest,
~~~~~~~~~~ This isnt about the handful of kids YOU know, you dumbass...its about the stats of hundreds of thousands. How old are you???
Sueezee1 4 months ago
Ok well truth be known an abortion can be preformed through all 9 months of pregnancy and not just for medical reasons if you just simply don't want it by 8 months of prgnancy or even a week before the due date you can abort it, well the baby a week befor its born is no different then at the time of birth you ppl are saying it feels nothing until its unattached from its mom BS! unless medical resoning how can u justify aborting a 8 to 9 month pregnancy? u can't!!!
Diamondgruff 4 months ago
@Diamondgruff says: unless medical resoning how can u justify aborting a 8 to 9 month pregnancy? u can't!!!
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LOLO<, You dont know too much aboutt his subject do you? A women can say she is going to kill herself w/o an abortion and she can get one....and there dosent even HAVE to a reason. YOu have NO idea what goes on in the privacy of docs offices, do you? WOMEN WILL NEVER GO W/O AN ABORITON AT ANY TIME SHE WANTS ONE. You have alot to learn sweetie.
Sueezee1 4 months ago
@Sueezee1 Women who abort pregnancies that far along are animals anyway, just go ahead and gut them on the table just like your doing their infants.. good bye good riddance
mscheesymac 4 months ago
@mscheesymac says: Women who abort pregnancies that far along are animals anywa
~~~~~~~~~~~~ of course we are animals...we ARE the human animal. And, just like other animals who kill their undesirable offspring after birth...we do it before. So whats your point?
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@Sueezee1 You just proved my point, yuo admit your dogs.
mscheesymac 3 months ago
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@mscheesymac says: You just proved my point, yuo admit your dogs.
~~~~~~~~~~ Always love hearing the deep, intellectual comments of probirthers...hahahahh! keep up the good work. By the way, what in the hell does "your dogs" mean??? I dont have a dog... so how can my dog be ANYhting?? How old are you? LOL
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@Sueezee1 Your one of those hard core abortionists who have absolutely no conscience. If you will kill an infant with no remorse, you'll kill anybody. I bet you have wet dreams about killing people. Bet I see you on Nancy Grace one day.
mscheesymac 3 months ago
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Sueezee1 3 months ago
@Sueezee1 me and you are in full agreement that your animals
mscheesymac 3 months ago
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@mscheesymac says: me and you are in full agreement that your animals
~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahah .....animalS????? Just how many animals am I??
Sueezee1 3 months ago
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Sueezee1 3 months ago
Oh my god, so this is saying that if you don't get an abortion, your baby will grow up to become Osama bin laden. Very logical
nwtigerstrack1053 4 months ago
This is the dumbest thing I have ever seen in my entire life. That baby has just as much of a chance of curing cancer than he does becoming a terrorist. Some of the most brilliant people in this world have had tough lives growing up and I'm sure they were happy their mothers chose life.
sportsguy6543 4 months ago
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97% of all abortion are done in the first few months when the contents of an abortion are barely visible, and to see it on YT, type in "Early Surgical Abortion POC identification", and see how unlike these prolife vids it actually is..
Sueezee1 4 months ago
I like how the description says "Obama"
keilareadman 4 months ago
Well, I'm sold.
BunnyMan456 4 months ago
im pro life but can sympathize for those who are pro choice, its just where do you draw the line between moral and immoral , or fetus and human?
jlmknight 4 months ago
@jlmknight you draw that line using science. Start with the first cell, because, prior to that, everything is just parts. "Pro choice" means that someone has the right to kill their child. Even California, which is probably the most pro-choice state in the Union, has a fetal homicide law which treats fetuses of any age as human -- except when they are being aborted by will of their mother. That means that mom can kill her child right up to the moment that the child emerges. Is it right?
unclesmrgol 4 months ago
Wow. So some people become bad people. We should kill them before they get a chance. It may be a joke and I wish the pro-choice idiots would run this on mainstream media but I'm pretty sure that the people who lost loved ones in those towers don't think it's very funny. Besides we are who we chose to become we are not born that already. He wasn't born a terrorist he chose to become one. As an adult not as an unborn baby.
Riviliana 5 months ago
@Riviliana says:So some people become bad people. We should kill them before they get a chance.
~~~~~~~~~ Kill human beings?? No, what a stupid theory!!
Sueezee1 5 months ago
Wait- people should abort their babies so they will not become Osama bin Laden?
soapyjane 5 months ago
lmfao true dat
JuggaleteSarafina 5 months ago
im not prochoice bc my child might become a terrorist im pro choice because a fetus is apart of my body and i have a right to my body....this is silly
PimpMyParadigm 5 months ago
@PimpMyParadigm Actually it is not part of your body- the baby is genetically different from you. If you became pregnant with a boy- does that mean YOU are a boy?
soapyjane 5 months ago
@soapyjane yes it is genetically different but a first trimester fetus is attached and dependent on a woman's body
PimpMyParadigm 5 months ago
@PimpMyParadigm Yes, a fetus cannot survive without the mother, but at the same time, neither can any baby out of the womb either. Just because something is not self-reliant, does not give the caretaker the right to kill that thing.
soapyjane 5 months ago
@soapyjane says: Just because something is not self-reliant, does not give the caretaker the right to kill that thing.
~~~~~~~~~ Youre right, R v W gives us that right
Sueezee1 5 months ago
@Sueezee1 Yes, because the government has always been right when it comes to defining who is a person and who is not.
soapyjane 5 months ago
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@soapyjane says: ecause the government has always been right when it comes to defining who is a person and who is not.
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"right" according to whose idea of right or wrong?
Sueezee1 5 months ago
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@soapyjane says: Actually it is not part of your body
~~~~~~~~~ Right, but women OWN their fetuses. They are their own personal, private property do do with as they choose.
Sueezee1 5 months ago
@PimpMyParadigm says: im pro choice because a fetus is apart of my body and i have a right to my body....this is silly
~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you think rights are silly, you can always move to Iraq and have NO rights over your body.
Sueezee1 5 months ago
@PimpMyParadigm
So, if you had a siamese twin, would you kill it? lolol jk that's a bit "irrelevant" I guess, but seriously, if you really didn't want to get pregnant, stop being cheap and buy some condoms and birth pills and shit or don't have sex. And, okay, if you got raped, It's still not the baby who raped you, my gosh. Plus, if you were at a party or something, it's most likely your fault you got raped in the first place if you were drunk or are known for wearing skimpy clothing. :D
selinastormr 4 months ago
@selinastormr Birth control fails, and sorry, but don't nazi other people's sex lives, pervert. Pregnancy is horrible, even when you WANT to have a kid. When it's an accident(god forbid it be a rape-product!) it is ten times WORSE when you don't want it. Adoption only works AFTER you give birth, before that, it's just 'sucks to be you' and then 'here let me pray for you' or 'let me 'counsel' you' or here 'let me pay some bills for you'.. and otherwise, fuck the woman's feelings.. Sorry, no. -c
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat
what the fuck? no shit birth controls have a chance of failing, but just because you use protection and take extra precautions doesn't change the fact that you stuck it in there to begin with. which is why i was using an example of you lighting a candle on someone's front porch. It doesn't matter if you secured it with nails or hid it under a fucking box. It's still your fault you put it there to begin with.
And REALLY? calling me a pervert is the best you can do? dumbfuck
selinastormr 4 months ago
@selinastormr Consent to sex is not consent to reproduction, for humans. We aren't mindless mating animals, going into./out of heat like dogs. Sex is so much more for us- denying that, or turning an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy into a punishment for sex you deem irresponsible.. just defeats your whole argument, and is inhuman. Accidents happen, and we can fix those accidents. Well, what else ARE you, if you're so interested in other people's private sex lives and how/why/when they have sex? -c
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
-c You're like a peeping-tom, can't stay out of other people's bedrooms, b/c you want to nazi their reproduction. Lol, thanks for doing my thinking and my living for me, by speaking out for me as to why I had an abortion and how I felt about it. You REALLY know me, you know that?
...lol sarcasm. Sorry, it wasn't out of self-pity. It's alos NOT b/c i 'hate' kids or w/e, or was being selfish(even though you'll likely accuse me of it. I love being insulted and lied to/about by strangers!) or -c
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
-c anything like that. And lastly, no 'baby' is present during an abortion- it is a zygote, an embryo, or at worst, a fetus. Babies are BORN- why do you think we celebrate BIRTHdays, instead of sex-days? Why do you think all talk about pregnancy puts the 'baby' in future-tense? 'a bun in the oven' 'one on the way' 'were havING a baby'
Ever since language has been around, people have KNOWN it's only a potentiality, not an actuality. You're trying to re-write the english language, and history.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat
Actually, yes, that's one of the things that have been annoying me. Especially how they're labelled 0months old when they're first born because it gives people more of a reason to think that a fertilized egg isn't an actual baby. When really, what is a zygote or an embryo? a rock that's going to come to life, because, you know.. It's dead, right? Use scientific names all you want, I don't really care, but stop trying to change the fact that it IS a baby.
selinastormr 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat
also, you're speaking as if you were a scientist. And c'mon, do you honestly believe that scientists are known to have good morals? Seriously though, do you think that, if abortions weren't so available to everyone and no one did it then tried to find reasons why what they did was okay, this argument would even be here? I mean, actually think about the whole situation WITHOUT USING ANY WORDS. None at all. Because words screw things up, yeah?
selinastormr 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat
Also, now I'm kind of thinking that the only reason people DO side with pro-choice is because either them or someone close to them has or may one day need to get an abortion. Right? Tell me I'm wrong. For example, why do you think so many pro-life leaders are men? It's most likely both of the facts that men will never have to experience child birth and are usually less emotional. And frankly, the topic on what's wrong and right have NOTHING TO DO WITH EMOTIONS.
selinastormr 4 months ago
@selinastormr Sorry, but thinking about pregnancy being forced on someone makes me sick to my stomach. I'd rather die than go through an unwanted pregnancy.. literally. Scientifically speaking, abortion is perfectly moral. Sorry but facts outweigh opinions, and I don't care about the 'photogenic' quality of my beliefs or politics.. I care about their validity. Truth actually DOES matter to me. And truth is, a fetus is not equal in value to a born infant to an actual thinking, feeling person. -c
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
-c Until born, we are ALL parasites. Deny it, and you deny basic biological facts. And chances are, you will b/c you, like too many other pro'life'rs out there, are shallow, uneducated, human egoists. Get over your big bad self and accept your own damn biology. And biologically speaking, a zygote, an embryo, a fetus are NOT independent, thinking, feeling, conscious, separate and /born/ children.. they're developing human meat. Yeah, it's coldly put- but an ugly truth is better than a glorified-c
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
-c lie. Dude, TONS of pro-choicers are pro-choice for LOADS if different reasons, and one of them may just be that.. simply put, they, like me, think forced reproduction is WRONG. The ONLY way you can BE pro'life' and 'justify' the idea of FORCING that ideaology on others is to deliberately, openly LIE about women who have abortions- speaking, thinking, feeling, and experiencing it all FOR them, and REFUSING them their own reasons, and then denying/re-writing, or manipulating medical facts.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
-c You have no right to judge strangers, or a woman who aborts, b/c you don't know ANYTHING about how she feels inside, or what will/won't happen- all you have is the HOPE it all works out... and then pity, condescension, insults, and mockery- if not all-out open hostility and hate for those who disagree w/ you or fail to live up to your standards. You are the main REASON women have abortions- you have nothing positive to offer, just disdain. 'its most likely your fault you got raped'. Evil!
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
@PimpMyParadigm
oh ohohoh okay, wait! (I'm gonna use some imagination here btw LOL) so let's say you had a boyfriend and whilst you were gettin et ohn, you intended to tell him that you really didn't want his relatives to stay in your guys' house. However, you knew there was a slight chance he might not hear you, but you didn't really take the time in extra precautions and tell him later on aswell. So, one morning you wake up to find his relatives sleeping on your couch... continued
selinastormr 4 months ago
@PimpMyParadigm
... continued and it turns out that his relatives had been welcomed in by him. (well, he may have not really liked the idea of them staying either, but it was kinda his fault that their house burnt down because he lit a candle on their front porch and the wind blew it over and burnt down the building [LOL]) SO, anyways, you really dislike them and YOU WILL HAVE TO BE STUCK WITH THEM for nine months while their house gets rebuilt... continued
selinastormr 4 months ago
@PimpMyParadigm
... continued. So, you'll have two choices: when the nine months are up, they will be able to leave and then you can choose if you would like to continue seeing them or not. (You may get a little hurt helping them carry their stuff out and your house might get a little messy, but you can clean that up and they'll be gone at least). Or, before the nine months are over, you kick them out and they'll die because they have no one else to turn to.
soo, yep, that's all I wanted to say
selinastormr 4 months ago
@selinastormr And by the way, there are homeless shelters everywhere- so your story was just.. insulting. If you want to make fun of rape victims, go GET RAPED. I AM A RAPE PRODUCT. You made fun of my physically-handicapped, and abused mother. Thanks! You know she committed suicide, right? B/c she was FORCED to have me? Oh, she loved me, yeah- but being FORCED to go through it all and re-live it destroyed her INSIDE. I'd RATHER have been aborted, for HER sake. Rape=funny to you? Youre worthless.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat
HOLY SHIT IT WAS THEORETICAL NOT REALISTIC. WHAT THE FUCK.
And I never made fun of rape victims, but even if you did get raped, it still doesn't make it the baby's fault. It makes it the RAPISTS fault.
But even so, the only reason someone would want to kill their child is because they feel sorry for themselves and need to destroy anything to do with the rapist. Which, I mean is completely understandable, (going through such a traumatic event).. continued
selinastormr 4 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat
but it doesn't change the fact that it's very wrong. (killing something because you're emotional) And I don't care what they're told for them to think otherwise. Because if you need someone to tell you why what you're doing is okay, then obviously it's not. For example, if no one had ever gotten an abortion before and no one knew what it was or if it was right or wrong, would you still get the thought of killing your baby and not thinking a thing was a bit off about it? fuck
selinastormr 4 months ago
@selinastormr I don't need someone to justify my actions. Your argument there is flawed- that hypothetical is just.. rediculous. If I didn't want to be pregnant, and I was, I'd find a way to be NOT pregnant, fast. Whether suicide, or the first abortion ever. People aren't stupid, stop pretending they all are. Also, your -killing b/c your emotional- thing.. is hilarious.. you DO realize rape does NOT kill, but you have a right to kill to stop/prevent a rape, right? It's just an 'inconvenience' ?
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
....if any of that were true.....Osama had a RICH father.
kevinjjfr 5 months ago
Hitlers mother was advised to get an abortion by her doctor :o
GIRinDisguise 5 months ago
Uhm... We are debating what should be legal in AMERICA. Bin Laden was born in the middle east. I guess the pro-choice position is "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out." Brilliant ladies and gentlemen. Is that really the best argument you can come up with to support your position? Wow.
propertyandlandsale 5 months ago
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@propertyandlandsale says: I guess the pro-choice position is "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out." Brilliant ladies and gentlemen. Is that really the best argument you can come up with to support your position?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Abortion is legal...we dont need to come up with anything!
Sueezee1 5 months ago
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standupgirl 6 months ago
This is about as stupid as they come. Yeah let's kill someone so that they can't kill anyone! That makes perfect sense, huh?? And just as a PS for this BS, it's far more likely that Bin Laden had little or nothing to do with 9/11 which makes this even more ridiculous! This is only proof that the pro choice side is eyeball deep in morons and is loosing ground fast. This is the best you could come up with? Sorry, try again!!
ThePeopleStrikeBack 6 months ago
Some argue against tough laws about proof in court cases becasue so many evil people get away with crime. But the US has always said it would rather that some evil people get away with crime than for innocent people to be unjustly punished. Would that kind of argument work here. Would it not be better to err on the side that we might be killing many great people by abortion than worrying about the bad ones?
MrBlackhaw 6 months ago
YOU ARE SICK! Are you really implying that abortion is acceptable because terrible people exist? Terrible people will exist in this world with or without abortion, but we may have already eliminated the baby who would grow up to be the next great scientific or mathematical mind, or even the person who would grow up to cure cancer!
samtastic517 6 months ago
0:10
I didn't have my father in my life for a good number (perhaps eight or nine?) years of my life, my mother is single, and my family life may not be 'broken', but it sure isn't in a the greatest conditions.
Should I not be alive, then, according to this video? o_O
AmongTheDispersed 6 months ago
Now, if we could just tell who would turn into an Osama and who would end up a Martin Luther King Jr we could implement this wonderfully retarded idea!
departed402 6 months ago
Irrelevant video and pointless argument used by both Pro-Life and Pro-Choice.
Redbloodedsky 7 months ago
Well Done,so many prolifers say'you maybe killing (NICE PERSON OF CHOICE) but it works bothways..it could've been Ted Bundy,Hitler,George W Bush...Abortions legal,don't like it? DON'T HAVE ONE
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