The steel helmets in the modern era (say WW1 through to Korea/Nam) were designed in the main to protect the head from "shrapnel". Shrapnel shells act a bit like shotgun shells in that they incorporate a tube-like barrel that shoots lead balls downward over the battlefield from a predetermined height. Shrapnel balls and 'shell splinters' are not the same thing. Shrapnel would usually be stopped by a steel helmet whereas splinters typically penetrate, depending on the range.
The helmet is steel with a fiberglass liner. Neither are made to stop bullets in any way shape or form.
It's the same helmet used in ww2. It was designed to protect against fragmentation. A real kevlar helmet is roughly 1 centimeter thick and a lot heavier and actually stops pistol rounds. Not sure about the 17 though. I actually doubt it does simply because of the nature of the round.
Besides the bolt vs semi, the .17 is also a narrower round, making it a better candidate to penetrate a piece of metal. Try sticking a needle in your arm, then trying to stick a pencil in. Which was easier? Now do it through ballistic material, and tell us what you learned.
Really, the standard .22 mag flying at about 2300 ft a sec would be more of a fair contest. Also, the .17hmr is lighter than the .22lr for the loads that they have. Cause, a standard .22lr flys at a little under 1200 ft a sec. The standard .17hmr is like 2250 ft a sec. Also, different barrel lengths can produce different muzzle velocitys.
@OperationOverlord644 wouldnt happen thats just a basic helment he prob bought from an army surplus place. i doubt he found it in an attic or bought it out of a collection.
interesting. dont let all the negativity get u down... i appreciated the video, thank you... also i have shot both at steel from 100yards and had to stop with the .17 hmr because it was leaving craters in my steel gongs, its a very nasty little round and i have had friends say they will take out coyotes with it.
well the one thing that turns me off about 17 hmr is you really need to have a good day for shooting, that small bullet flying so fast is easily effected by wind. They are both great little calibre rounds... Im sorry to say I am still bias torwards the 17hmr.
Yeah, you should have compared it to a .22 magnum. It would be more comparable than a .22LR. Or at least a .22LR CCI Stinger which is more powerful than a Mini-Mag. Still, good information on that .17HMR.
Yeah, good video. I have a 10/22, fun round! The 17hmr is around like 3000fps I believe, .22 had no chance.. Now... If we shot it with my AR... then we'd have a different story.. :)
Helmets are not worn to stop bullets in previous wars (can't speak about modern helmets, know nothing about them), they were designed to stop or minimize injury from shrapnel...a direct hit from any rifle round would penetrate, glancing or indirect hits might be minimized by the old steel helmets.
this guy is a retard...why would u destroy a nice old helmet like that with a vintage ww2 liner...plus he cant say liner.....''linal''... LMFAO DUMB ASS
@gpfwestie Not true about the armor. Tungsten tips defeat armor. Small rounds were chosen because both US and UK research independently showed that the average shooter could put more rounds on target faster with a lighter lower recoiling round. Smaller rounds also allow for less weight per bullet and therefore you can carry more rounds total.
These smaller rounds are really losing favor in the US, however, because of their range/penetration/damage disadvantages.
So what vel. and weight 22LR ammo was that? High Vel.? How about the 17hmr? You should try that with CCI Velocitors 40 gr. 1435fps/174 lbs of energy or Aguila Supermaximum 30 gr. 1750fps/205 lbs of energy! They both have way more energy that a high vel. 36 or 40 gr. The 17hmr's run 230lbs to 260lbs of energy. Although 22 LR is 1/2 to 1/5 the price.
17hmr is great for edge-of-town coyote control. relatively quiet. haven't retreived a dead one yet, they all yelp and run off. definitely dead out though, just don't know where the body is.
Not only did you fuck up a nice helmet, you FUCKED UP a nice Korean war M1-C paratrooper helmet which values around 100-300 bucks! Nice job stupid spik.
What .17 hmr were you using? A lot of .17hmr ammo out there is designed to 'explode' as soon as it enters a target, thats why you found all those pieces in there. If you test this out on organic materials in some cases the .22lr will have more penetration than the .17hmr.
Good test. Only its a little unfair. The 17 hmr is a magnum cartrige whereas the 22 long riffle is not. Try a re do only use a 22 mag. I have a savage 22 so i do know what im talking about. They need to start making pistols in 17 hmr. That would be sick.
the .17 shot was a direct hit on the blunt part on the helmet, but the first .22 shot ricocheted off the top,and the second shot was was a little lower ,but still not a direct blunt hit ...
I dont know of any semi auto 17 hmr rifles. So in a gunfight, the semi auto 22lr would have an advantage by firing more rounds. Only if the 17 hmr first shot is not fatal.......
The 17HMR is moving at a much faster speed than the 22lr. What would be a closer comparison is to see the 22lr Agulia Super Maximum Vs that helmet. I'll be willing to bet that it would penetrate just as good as the 17HMR at a lower cost per round.
.22 didn't do much, but that .17mhr can move at like 775m/s. So that will penetrate right through. From this, one can extrapolate that the .223 would fly right through that <= 880-1140 m/s. Helmets are useful for digging, covering one's head from over-head fire and shrapnel and eating soup out of.
Cool video 22lr most ammo about .03 cents 17hmr about .28 a round which means 17 hmr rough 9 times a better round in the price scale it would need to beat like a 300 winchester round in price value so is the 17hmr up to taking on a 300 winchester for price value
I was going to say ,'your target'sells for around £35.00. (US$45.00) in the UK . But it looks like the 'Airborne' version (?) which would be considerably more....who'd live in the UK eh? 8/
17hmr are supersonic rounds (~2500fps) and copper jacketed. they weight less than a 22lr but have greater kinetic force and longer, flatter trajectories (flat out to 120 yards). most assume because the 22lr is 'bigger' it's more powerful, when in reality the 17hmr ballistic profile makes it a far superior round in terms of accuracy, range, and penetration. yes, it is much more expensive, but you're paying for a more superior ammunition
@asciiavatar A lot of 22LR rounds are supersonic too. Anything over 1250ish fps... Aguila makes a 1750fps 30-grain 22LR round, I bet that would go through the helmet...
Here's what I'd like to see, a video about a helmet that can easily defeat most rifle rounds used in common service rifles. I see a lot of videos showing off how the examined rounds can punch through army helmets, while I keep reading about how they are usually meant to just protect against debris, and aren't built with stopping bullets as a priority.
Well I guess they never figured the helmet to stop gun fire but more so to help prevent against grenade fragments and other flying dabree but yea it would be nice to know that the thing on your head would stop a bullet but that's not the case
Well I have never seen a 22lr take down a coyote but I have seen a 22lr subsonic kill a deer I wasn't the one who pulled the trigger for I believe that's wasn't right but I shit you not that deer hit the dirt freak of nature I guess, but yes I have killed 2coyotes at a range of about 120yards with the 17hmr both were headshots, though the 17hmr isn't my first choice for yotes but if your a good enough shot then yes it can be done
@yotekiller21 i live next to a indain reservation and all the indians use to kill deer is 22lr rounds tthey use 22's to save more meat they drop the deer 90% of the time in one shot
It also makes a difference on where the round hit on the steel pot. The more "squared up" the hit, the less effective the protection. I would like to see a similar vid on a flat plate steel.
higher velocity + smaller diameter = more penetration
that 17 hmr hornady 20grain is designed for penetration whereas the .22lr CCI Mini mag is only lead round nose copper plated, it would be a better comparaison if there were similar bullets but no doubt the .17hmr is more powerful.
17hmr in alaska is so damn expensive to buy and the 22 lr are very cheap can get 7 boxes of 50 rnds 22 lr as buying only 1 box of 17 hmr so expensice 22.50 for 17 hmr and 3.25 for box of cci blazzer ammo
@HammeredAndHorny It protects you from low velocity fragmentation and debris. When a bullet hits an object, say a tree or a truck or wall etc. then it will splatter and fragments of the bullet will fly everywhere and it could penetrate your skull and kill you, the helmet prevents that.
I have dropped a 12 point mule deer at 58 yards with my 17HMR. One shot to the ear-hole & he fell right over. Little bullet is fierce, and does a whole lot of damage.
@leachim0 17hmr has between 17 to 20 grains of powder and a 22lr has 40 grains. It just the fact the the bullet head on the 17 weighs alot less than the 22lr bullet head so the 17 moves faster
@zyx12345678ful not grains of powder. its bullet weight. the 17 hmr has a 17- 20 grain bullet and more powder than a 22lr. and you aren't getting 40 grains of powder in a 22lr, a .270 for instance has 54 grains of powder.
Not sure why you are shooting 22lr out of an AR to see damage potential. That is only used in an AR for range practice for guys who want to save money shooting the super cheap 22 ammo. Anyone who would choose to shoot 22lr out of an AR in a armed conflict is an idiot. It would have been more interesting to see normal ball, steel-core, and ballistic .223 rounds hitting the helmet.
Not sure why you are shooting 22lr out of an AR to see damage potential. That is only used in an AR for range practice for guys who want to save money shooting the super cheap 22 ammo. Anyone who would choose to shoot 22lr out of an AR in a armed conflict is an idiot. It would have been more interesting to see normal ball, steel-core, and ballistic .223 rounds hitting the helmet.
@kirkdean1 I think you missed the point. He is comparing 22lr to 17hmr. 223 is a completly different ball game, where here the comparison is between rimfire rounds. The 17 is much faster than the 22 but both get the job done as they were designed to do. Good vid
@yotekiller21 thanks for posting. I think midwayusa sells a 17hmr full metal jacket. do you think that could give better results? i get my 22 ammo from them. The aguila supermax solid is what i use its hotter than the ol mini mag. i dout it will make much difference but thanks for the vid.
@yotekiller21 17hmr being slightly superior, because it goes faster. Some guy, not sure the vid, tested a 22 Mag, and 17HMR on a war helmet, and the 22 mag left a big dent, and the HMR 17 went clear through it. 22 mag, heavier bullet, 17HMR is twice the speed, and has more gun powder, but it's a lighter bullet. But I'd prefer the gun that generally is more accurate and has a bigger impact (HMR)
The steel helmets in the modern era (say WW1 through to Korea/Nam) were designed in the main to protect the head from "shrapnel". Shrapnel shells act a bit like shotgun shells in that they incorporate a tube-like barrel that shoots lead balls downward over the battlefield from a predetermined height. Shrapnel balls and 'shell splinters' are not the same thing. Shrapnel would usually be stopped by a steel helmet whereas splinters typically penetrate, depending on the range.
Boutiquez 5 hours ago
fmj will go straight through! 17 is the shit!
ljalaska 9 hours ago
ever use the 22lor for yotes????
chraw1983 1 day ago
steel target vs. live target/body tissue
i doubt the .17HMR will penetrate further than the .22lr on soft targets!
on hard ones, the small/fast round will always have an advantage.
Downarrow2 1 day ago
.22LR's velocity is around 1,200 fps while the 17hmr round travels at around 2,500.
llamaslyr 2 days ago
you got to hit the helemet in the same spot to do the test right.
bikerminio 4 days ago
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Beautiful shooting range you got there!
pv107 5 days ago
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pv107 5 days ago
The helmet is steel with a fiberglass liner. Neither are made to stop bullets in any way shape or form.
It's the same helmet used in ww2. It was designed to protect against fragmentation. A real kevlar helmet is roughly 1 centimeter thick and a lot heavier and actually stops pistol rounds. Not sure about the 17 though. I actually doubt it does simply because of the nature of the round.
I own both.
OspreyKnight 1 week ago 2
How about .22WMR vs .17HMR?
SeriesOfTubes101 1 week ago 3
Steel outer shell, the inners were a few different types of material depending when it was made.Look up "M1 Helmet" for details.
heliarche 1 week ago
Besides the bolt vs semi, the .17 is also a narrower round, making it a better candidate to penetrate a piece of metal. Try sticking a needle in your arm, then trying to stick a pencil in. Which was easier? Now do it through ballistic material, and tell us what you learned.
twistedcross 1 week ago
good thing squirrels around here aren't wearing helmets :)
Trobbins86 2 weeks ago 2
Also, depends on the bullet type.
RotaryLover87 2 weeks ago
Really, the standard .22 mag flying at about 2300 ft a sec would be more of a fair contest. Also, the .17hmr is lighter than the .22lr for the loads that they have. Cause, a standard .22lr flys at a little under 1200 ft a sec. The standard .17hmr is like 2250 ft a sec. Also, different barrel lengths can produce different muzzle velocitys.
RotaryLover87 2 weeks ago 2
the cci stinger .22lr jacketed round, would of pierced through it no problem
Nwest82 2 weeks ago
Wow, I wouldn't have thought that.
edgybob1 2 weeks ago
@OperationOverlord644 wouldnt happen thats just a basic helment he prob bought from an army surplus place. i doubt he found it in an attic or bought it out of a collection.
carlingbusch 2 weeks ago
At 50 yards the 22 mag would own the 17 hmr
Hillbillyoo7 2 weeks ago
Wouldnt a 22mag been more logical to use then the 22lr against a 17hmr or what about a 223 versus the 17hmr
Hillbillyoo7 2 weeks ago
interesting. dont let all the negativity get u down... i appreciated the video, thank you... also i have shot both at steel from 100yards and had to stop with the .17 hmr because it was leaving craters in my steel gongs, its a very nasty little round and i have had friends say they will take out coyotes with it.
funkzilla420 2 weeks ago
a i would have paid $20 for that helmet. Watch it turn out to be some rare Nazi one lol.
MrBeast758 3 weeks ago
well the one thing that turns me off about 17 hmr is you really need to have a good day for shooting, that small bullet flying so fast is easily effected by wind. They are both great little calibre rounds... Im sorry to say I am still bias torwards the 17hmr.
mskiUSMC 3 weeks ago
Yeah, you should have compared it to a .22 magnum. It would be more comparable than a .22LR. Or at least a .22LR CCI Stinger which is more powerful than a Mini-Mag. Still, good information on that .17HMR.
Grogz40 3 weeks ago
Yeah, good video. I have a 10/22, fun round! The 17hmr is around like 3000fps I believe, .22 had no chance.. Now... If we shot it with my AR... then we'd have a different story.. :)
bironmiller4330 3 weeks ago
That was average
Gamonater 3 weeks ago
Nice video. F these haters making negative comments.
ForneyRider 3 weeks ago
Helmets are not worn to stop bullets in previous wars (can't speak about modern helmets, know nothing about them), they were designed to stop or minimize injury from shrapnel...a direct hit from any rifle round would penetrate, glancing or indirect hits might be minimized by the old steel helmets.
wolfie83 3 weeks ago
.22lr - 1:36
.17hmr - 2:53
azbrc1984 3 weeks ago 27
@azbrc1984 Thank you for saving my time.
zelts 2 weeks ago
I would like to see you do this again with a .22wmr compared to the .17hmr.
gdeisig 4 weeks ago 3
good thing there aren't 22 lr in the army
bitey2k 4 weeks ago
this guy is a retard...why would u destroy a nice old helmet like that with a vintage ww2 liner...plus he cant say liner.....''linal''... LMFAO DUMB ASS
DUD306NOTCH 1 month ago
@DUD306NOTCH LMFAO DUMB ASS you can get one at the army navy store for $20
ROBEESHAKE 1 month ago
Both would have gone straight through whatever animal you were shooting at as they don't tend to wear helmets.
Small callibers defeat armour, this is why .308 eventually got changed to .223
Pretty certain our (UK) military wanted an even smaller caliber, but the .223 is what we use as we got overruled.
gpfwestie 1 month ago
@gpfwestie Not true about the armor. Tungsten tips defeat armor. Small rounds were chosen because both US and UK research independently showed that the average shooter could put more rounds on target faster with a lighter lower recoiling round. Smaller rounds also allow for less weight per bullet and therefore you can carry more rounds total.
These smaller rounds are really losing favor in the US, however, because of their range/penetration/damage disadvantages.
Abaddonseven 1 month ago
why don't you try a better matched comparison. .22 WMR FMJ vs .17 HMR. if you want to compare a .22 LR to a .17, and be fair, try .17 HM2
BigRed30378 1 month ago
its not really a fair competition because the 22 will lose some of its power when it resets.
MrOutdoorsman1001 1 month ago
I think that's a old helmet. The newer ones are much much stronger and a lot thicker.
likasombodeeee 1 month ago
After seeing this I would look like a dork but i would strap a few steel plates on the forehead of my helmet :)
toob247 1 month ago
im not surprised
TheMatm12345 1 month ago
So what vel. and weight 22LR ammo was that? High Vel.? How about the 17hmr? You should try that with CCI Velocitors 40 gr. 1435fps/174 lbs of energy or Aguila Supermaximum 30 gr. 1750fps/205 lbs of energy! They both have way more energy that a high vel. 36 or 40 gr. The 17hmr's run 230lbs to 260lbs of energy. Although 22 LR is 1/2 to 1/5 the price.
TSFG
Thestealthfighterguy 1 month ago
how many footpounds in the 17hmr?
tomterahedrob 1 month ago
Blowback action .22LR vs bolt action 17hmr... The .22 is already as a disadvantage, losing much of it's power to reset the action.
PS: a much more fun test is 1/2 steel plate, shot with 22-250, .308, .338, 45-70. That gives a show!
Sabertoothpython 1 month ago 11
you also hit the 22 bullet on top so it had a greater chance to Rickashay.
jpickles1596 1 month ago
17hmr is great for edge-of-town coyote control. relatively quiet. haven't retreived a dead one yet, they all yelp and run off. definitely dead out though, just don't know where the body is.
dog22boy 1 month ago
what about the bullet type? Obviously for the lr it'll be soft cast lead, but there are many kinds of bullets loaded into .17 cases.
JesusDillinger 1 month ago
Steel helmet, with a fiberglass liner.
TrueBlueJMS 1 month ago
you should do the same test but with a .22mag I hear that the .22mag has some decent penetration
Theenemy38 1 month ago
22lg stingers r awsome.
Worley1971 1 month ago
Nice vid.
For those haters.
Who cares if the comparation is fair or unfair. To me is good knowledge. At least I know what those rifles are capable of doing!
831sabino 1 month ago
17 more penetration , 22 lr more impact , try with a 50 cal
kikecaza01 1 month ago
cci and hornady!
way off on that, good ammo and bad
sillybandhaha 1 month ago
First off the 22lr was in semi which will lose velocity off the bat. Put the 22lr in a bolt action then you will see a hole.
robbase54 1 month ago
Not only did you fuck up a nice helmet, you FUCKED UP a nice Korean war M1-C paratrooper helmet which values around 100-300 bucks! Nice job stupid spik.
bargunner18 1 month ago
@bargunner18 I was thinking the samething! LOL...what an ass
17plasticman 1 month ago
@bargunner18 and what his purpose anyway? Why didnt he just shoot a piece of steel plate? Was a nice hemet
17plasticman 1 month ago
nice ruin a historical helmet from vietnam
infantryfilms2nd 1 month ago
"gee, I wonder which is more powerful, a .22 LR or a .22 magnum necked down to .17". . . derp.
BillyBadasssssss 1 month ago
What .17 hmr were you using? A lot of .17hmr ammo out there is designed to 'explode' as soon as it enters a target, thats why you found all those pieces in there. If you test this out on organic materials in some cases the .22lr will have more penetration than the .17hmr.
a2redneck 1 month ago
Well I guess you could answer that without even firing mate. A 17hmr is a necked down wmr round and a .22lr is a lot smaller firing a heavier bullet.
CHOPERUS23 1 month ago
Lol video paused for me after you said its going to be a penetration test LULULUL.
Pallyforyou 1 month ago
Good test. Only its a little unfair. The 17 hmr is a magnum cartrige whereas the 22 long riffle is not. Try a re do only use a 22 mag. I have a savage 22 so i do know what im talking about. They need to start making pistols in 17 hmr. That would be sick.
TheRatboy09 1 month ago
@TheRatboy09 they do make .17hmr pistols.
KyleNobes 1 month ago
@TheRatboy09 ruger makes some nice ones.
KyleNobes 1 month ago
the .17 shot was a direct hit on the blunt part on the helmet, but the first .22 shot ricocheted off the top,and the second shot was was a little lower ,but still not a direct blunt hit ...
agent1up 1 month ago
.22lr has more stopping power, .17hmr has more penetration power, simply put.
Supra7887 2 months ago
Great video.
Shooter12point7 2 months ago
it'd be nice to see it on a more modern military helmet
TheAlexagius 2 months ago
I dont know of any semi auto 17 hmr rifles. So in a gunfight, the semi auto 22lr would have an advantage by firing more rounds. Only if the 17 hmr first shot is not fatal.......
KESEDTUBE 2 months ago
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MrAmptech 2 months ago
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KF7MGT 2 months ago
coo
davidkrod 2 months ago
and thats why hmr is more expensive lol
jewpowers 2 months ago
@jewpowers but in Israel they got so much ammo they don't know what to do with all of it
xxxpaintbal 2 months ago
@xxxpaintbal lol they would make a fortune selling it to us thats for sure
jewpowers 2 months ago
@jewpowers lol
xxxpaintbal 2 months ago
The 17HMR is moving at a much faster speed than the 22lr. What would be a closer comparison is to see the 22lr Agulia Super Maximum Vs that helmet. I'll be willing to bet that it would penetrate just as good as the 17HMR at a lower cost per round.
waltknob 2 months ago
.22 didn't do much, but that .17mhr can move at like 775m/s. So that will penetrate right through. From this, one can extrapolate that the .223 would fly right through that <= 880-1140 m/s. Helmets are useful for digging, covering one's head from over-head fire and shrapnel and eating soup out of.
PatVRulz 2 months ago
17hmr travels at a higher velocity too.
Dtac25 2 months ago
Cool video 22lr most ammo about .03 cents 17hmr about .28 a round which means 17 hmr rough 9 times a better round in the price scale it would need to beat like a 300 winchester round in price value so is the 17hmr up to taking on a 300 winchester for price value
blkwulff 2 months ago
the .17hmr is a much hotter round ... no surprise here
MadsenModel1990 3 months ago
How is this helmet supposed to take a 7.62 round if it can't even take a damn 17.hmr, it's sad to see this...
TheXJthatCould 3 months ago
@TheXJthatCould Thats why this Helmet was replaced with Kevlar in the 80's
ShaiqNBaiq5464 2 months ago
quit bitching about the helmet its his too do with as he pleases, nice test what kinds of ammo did u use?
rjvanhecke 3 months ago
Thank you!
1joshjosh1 3 months ago
Man that was a nice helmet :(
rubbindubbin4life 3 months ago
try the fmj...it will go all the way thru!
ljalaska 3 months ago
I was going to say ,'your target'sells for around £35.00. (US$45.00) in the UK . But it looks like the 'Airborne' version (?) which would be considerably more....who'd live in the UK eh? 8/
theoutremerlibrary 3 months ago
Nice test but what a waste of a piece of history,would have been very happy to have that helmet in my collection.
Marlever357 3 months ago
it would b cool if you had something to shoot the 22 mag and compare with the 17hmr
cool video!
freestylmx311 4 months ago
@freestylmx311 agree
HillbillyWhisperer 3 months ago
but did it go onto the other side...
MrPapapineapple 4 months ago
Dear God, what kind of crap was standard issue in Vietnam?
MrPoroPoro 4 months ago
17hmr are supersonic rounds (~2500fps) and copper jacketed. they weight less than a 22lr but have greater kinetic force and longer, flatter trajectories (flat out to 120 yards). most assume because the 22lr is 'bigger' it's more powerful, when in reality the 17hmr ballistic profile makes it a far superior round in terms of accuracy, range, and penetration. yes, it is much more expensive, but you're paying for a more superior ammunition
asciiavatar 4 months ago
@asciiavatar A lot of 22LR rounds are supersonic too. Anything over 1250ish fps... Aguila makes a 1750fps 30-grain 22LR round, I bet that would go through the helmet...
ambientflier 1 month ago
unfortunate choice of helmets. that was a nice paratrooper rig worth 50-100 on ebay. you couldnt have used a cheap euroclone?
thurin84 4 months ago
Here's what I'd like to see, a video about a helmet that can easily defeat most rifle rounds used in common service rifles. I see a lot of videos showing off how the examined rounds can punch through army helmets, while I keep reading about how they are usually meant to just protect against debris, and aren't built with stopping bullets as a priority.
wikieditspam 4 months ago
fill a 22 hollow point with jb weld and you'll get penetration
9mmlugers 4 months ago
@9mmlugers wtf would be the point? just buy solid rounds instead
lexmark136 4 months ago
@lexmark136 JB weld is a steel epoxy and is harder then lead therefor it has better penetration.
9mmlugers 4 months ago
i want a helmet like that
demaskater25 4 months ago
helmets arent made to STOP DIRECT incoming fire. More like ricochets and stuff hittin your head
imaddictedtowow112 5 months ago
Well I guess they never figured the helmet to stop gun fire but more so to help prevent against grenade fragments and other flying dabree but yea it would be nice to know that the thing on your head would stop a bullet but that's not the case
yotekiller21 5 months ago 11
Well I have never seen a 22lr take down a coyote but I have seen a 22lr subsonic kill a deer I wasn't the one who pulled the trigger for I believe that's wasn't right but I shit you not that deer hit the dirt freak of nature I guess, but yes I have killed 2coyotes at a range of about 120yards with the 17hmr both were headshots, though the 17hmr isn't my first choice for yotes but if your a good enough shot then yes it can be done
yotekiller21 5 months ago 4
@yotekiller21 i live next to a indain reservation and all the indians use to kill deer is 22lr rounds tthey use 22's to save more meat they drop the deer 90% of the time in one shot
realogre32 1 month ago
ok Mr Yotekiller... do you, have you or would you use either to take down a yote?
Joinoh 5 months ago
.22 lr is dirt cheap and fun to shoot. .17 hmr is expensive.
andrewsheldonreeves 5 months ago
I loooooove my Savage 17, especially with the accutrigger
Xlr8torZ28 5 months ago
Doesn't instill confidence in the G.I's does it when the V.C had AK47's
vultee1956 5 months ago
This video could have been 30 seconds long.
toxtoad 6 months ago
Comparing the .17hmr to .22wmr is a more apt comparison since the .17 is a necked down .22 magnum.
jimp817 6 months ago 3
It also makes a difference on where the round hit on the steel pot. The more "squared up" the hit, the less effective the protection. I would like to see a similar vid on a flat plate steel.
soonerpgh 6 months ago
Just where a sandbag as a hat XD
frewen15 6 months ago
higher velocity + smaller diameter = more penetration
that 17 hmr hornady 20grain is designed for penetration whereas the .22lr CCI Mini mag is only lead round nose copper plated, it would be a better comparaison if there were similar bullets but no doubt the .17hmr is more powerful.
ak47proshooter 6 months ago
@ak47proshooter you got that right.
RECOILJUNKIE38 6 months ago
Well i can tell tht u hunt
Ramdog1546 6 months ago
17hmr in alaska is so damn expensive to buy and the 22 lr are very cheap can get 7 boxes of 50 rnds 22 lr as buying only 1 box of 17 hmr so expensice 22.50 for 17 hmr and 3.25 for box of cci blazzer ammo
Canaragimuk 6 months ago
The .17 HMR isn't a sharper round... Its ballistic velocity is 2550 FPS as opposed to the .22's 1600 FPS..great video
powersm16 6 months ago
17 hmr isn't more powerful , its just a sharper round
TheMotodude13 6 months ago
@TheMotodude13 the 17.hmr is actually a lot more powerful then the .22lr... how sharp the round is has a very little effect on penetration
bowman580 6 months ago
Glancing of is the reason they were helmets a strait on shot will kill ya but better hope for a glance but modern helmets are much thicker
deathbutt09 7 months ago
@deathbutt09 they're not really for stopping a bullet, they're for stopping shrapnel.
pixuma 6 months ago
Not Nam only. These lids were all the way back during WWII .
TR5T 7 months ago
can u imagine the ringing that would make if you were to have it on and that happened oly crap
dalesfirearmservice 7 months ago
@dalesfirearmservice at least you're not dead
combatReady1538 6 months ago
is that a real helmet? i have a replica german helmet im pretty convinced the 22 would penetrate it
RcUniverseGuy 7 months ago
@HammeredAndHorny obviously because as you can see a 22 bullet cannot penetrate the army helmet and the hmr can, it's a penetration test
EliT3man 7 months ago
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try it with a cci stinger?
backburnerart 8 months ago
try it with a cci stinger?
backburnerart 8 months ago
What the hell is the point of the helmet?
HammeredAndHorny 8 months ago
@HammeredAndHorny It protects you from low velocity fragmentation and debris. When a bullet hits an object, say a tree or a truck or wall etc. then it will splatter and fragments of the bullet will fly everywhere and it could penetrate your skull and kill you, the helmet prevents that.
grobo11 8 months ago
@HammeredAndHorny see if it could kill someone in combat
adamclark94 7 months ago
I have dropped a 12 point mule deer at 58 yards with my 17HMR. One shot to the ear-hole & he fell right over. Little bullet is fierce, and does a whole lot of damage.
eric72265 9 months ago
what type of ammo did you use. if you were using 17 grain v-max then 20 grain fmj might dent the back of the helmet
orangecake124 11 months ago
it seems that the 17 has more power, but it's unfair for there is more gun powder in the 17hmr then is a 22LR.
it would a more fair if it was the 22mag vs 17hmr for they use the same amount of gun powder and but bullets are the same length.
if you do it this way then the 22mag is more powerful.
leachim0 1 year ago
@leachim0 17hmr has between 17 to 20 grains of powder and a 22lr has 40 grains. It just the fact the the bullet head on the 17 weighs alot less than the 22lr bullet head so the 17 moves faster
zyx12345678ful 10 months ago
@zyx12345678ful The hmr has much more powder then the .22 lr.
benchmadebob 10 months ago
@zyx12345678ful not grains of powder. its bullet weight. the 17 hmr has a 17- 20 grain bullet and more powder than a 22lr. and you aren't getting 40 grains of powder in a 22lr, a .270 for instance has 54 grains of powder.
9010814r 10 months ago
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Not sure why you are shooting 22lr out of an AR to see damage potential. That is only used in an AR for range practice for guys who want to save money shooting the super cheap 22 ammo. Anyone who would choose to shoot 22lr out of an AR in a armed conflict is an idiot. It would have been more interesting to see normal ball, steel-core, and ballistic .223 rounds hitting the helmet.
kirkdean1 1 year ago
Not sure why you are shooting 22lr out of an AR to see damage potential. That is only used in an AR for range practice for guys who want to save money shooting the super cheap 22 ammo. Anyone who would choose to shoot 22lr out of an AR in a armed conflict is an idiot. It would have been more interesting to see normal ball, steel-core, and ballistic .223 rounds hitting the helmet.
kirkdean1 1 year ago
@kirkdean1 I think you missed the point. He is comparing 22lr to 17hmr. 223 is a completly different ball game, where here the comparison is between rimfire rounds. The 17 is much faster than the 22 but both get the job done as they were designed to do. Good vid
Sukpad89 10 months ago
Good demonstration! You should try using cci stingers or velocitors, and see if those will penetrate.
teknic111 1 year ago
great video, always wanted to know how much power is delivered by each. Good example.
sqc281 1 year ago
A 17hmr is much louder then a 22lr but the 17hmr and 22mag are about the same
yotekiller21 1 year ago
@yotekiller21 thanks for posting. I think midwayusa sells a 17hmr full metal jacket. do you think that could give better results? i get my 22 ammo from them. The aguila supermax solid is what i use its hotter than the ol mini mag. i dout it will make much difference but thanks for the vid.
mark3smle 9 months ago
@yotekiller21 17hmr being slightly superior, because it goes faster. Some guy, not sure the vid, tested a 22 Mag, and 17HMR on a war helmet, and the 22 mag left a big dent, and the HMR 17 went clear through it. 22 mag, heavier bullet, 17HMR is twice the speed, and has more gun powder, but it's a lighter bullet. But I'd prefer the gun that generally is more accurate and has a bigger impact (HMR)
KyleSurette13 6 months ago
@yotekiller21 bull shit did u c that? he fuck that helmet with a small cal. not bad at all
dontlike2bfedwith 6 months ago
how loud is a 17 hmr compared to a .22 lr? its hard to tell by the vid. Also how loud is it compared to .22 mag?
coltt218 1 year ago
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That will give you a headache. Great Video!
IIJasonSII 1 year ago
very interesting... good demo
sackman1886 1 year ago
Nice vid!
bananrepublik8 1 year ago