Soit Le Canada devrai devenir 100% bilinque d'un cote a l'autre, soit le Canada et le Quebec devient deux pays independants. Pas d'autres choix. Les Quebecois on le doit d'etre un peuple francophone!
Ahaha! C'est sûr, qui sont fâcher les Anglais, il on vu que 1/4 de leurs population, 1/4 de leurs PIB... à été sauvé par un faible et minime 0,6% !
Il y a un jour ou on doit réaliser qu'on est assez vieux et qu'un jour on doit quitter la maison, tout en aimant tout de même notre famille!
Mais quelle avenir les jeunes Québécois on au sein du Canada? Un jour ou l'autre la violence éclatera, car un jour ou l'autre on fera ce que nos parents on eu peur de faire! Et nous le ferons avec fierté!
Il était à la tête d'un parti fédéraliste, le seul à défendre les intérêts des fédéralistes au Québec. Ça aurait été la consternation si ce parti fédéraliste avait fait l'indépendance !!
Je considère que Robert Bourassa a tout de même un rôle beaucoup moins funeste que PET & fils.
Voici un lien pour lire le discour de bourgoult. L'interprétatition personel de la lecture ajoute un quelque chose ! bonne journée a vous Gens du pays.
@Vineon «Le Québec est la plus improbable mais néanmoins la plus incontestable des 9 nations d'Amérique. Quels sont les peuples qui survivront à la 3e guerre mondiale ? Les Chinois, parce qu'ils sont si nombreux, et les Québécois parce qu'ils ont survécu aux derniers quatre siècles, ils peuvent survivre à n'importe quoi. Il est clair que les ...Québécois sont différents du Canada et bien entendu des États-Unis et de la France.»
Personnellement et vue de france (jsuis français) je pense que le canada anglophone a plus besoin des ressources quebecoises, que le quebec a besoin du canada anglophone, qui vous faits miroité un pouvoir qu'ils contrôlent sans partage. J'espère qu'un jour vous serez souverain sur vos terres, et que vous cesserez de vous faire dupés par les anglo-saxons qui ont très bien compris une doctrine "diviser pour mieux régner"... Bonne chance! et vive le Quebec libre! helas dernier pays defleur de lys
Votre fédération ne vous donnera jamais plus que la ration qu'elle voudra bien vous accorder. Mais votre NATION, elle, vous donnera tout ce qui vous revient de droit.
Je pense tout simplement qu'on s’est fait assez avoir au cours de notre histoire... On n'avons qu'à penser au temps de la Nouvelle-France lorsque nous nous faisions rentrer dedans par les Anglais. Les Français nous ont jamais envoyé de renfort et Voltaire aurait dit au roi de France une si belle phrase Roi: Devrions-nous envoyer des renforts, Voltaire: Pour de quelques arpents de neige ?..... Je pense tout simplement que le Québec n'est jamais reconnu à sa juste valeur. Merci.
Trudeau est un menteur, oui il a sauvé Cuba, oui il a donné. le droit aux gais de faire ce qu'ils veulent, oui il a maintenu l'accès à l'avortement à une époque ou les red necks anglais voulaient la criminalisé, oui il a rayonné les olympiques de 76 (mais avec des dettes immenses), oui grâce à lui le Canada a pris ses distances de l'Angleterre et des États-Unis... Mais pour son propre peuple, pour sa patrie Trudeau est l'un des hommes politique qui a eu le rôle le plus funeste de notre Histoire
Cette loi 101 a été amendé plus de 200 fois si je ne m'abuses par la cour suprême Canadienne, la dernière fois tout récemment dans la saga de la loi 104.
On peut bien prendre les moyens, ou du moins tenter de le faire.... il reste à savoir si on nous le permet.
Les études démographes des dernières années montrent un recul du français partout au Québec, particulièrement à Montréal.
7 millions sur 330 signifie que le français sera toujours menacé.
@caramelorb Si tu veux nous insulter parle donc notre langue. Pour ma part je n'ai aucune paranoïa mais un désir vif de voir mon peuple libre, fière et souverain.
I don't take orders from minority members. nlussierc, separate! Once and for all separate! Dispense with the childish referendums, declare independence, take up arms, defeat the opposing army, pay all debts, set up a treasury, print your own money, defend kweebek's borders, speak french until you choke, and revel in your precious ineffable "culture". Go ahead - JUST DO IT ALL! What are you waiting for? Aren't you real men? What's wrong with separatists? Are you all talk and no action?
@caramelorb Bien sur chère caramelorb avec toute ta diligence et ton respect j'apprécie tes encouragements! Tu ne connais pas celui que tu insulte. Mais je prend tes paroles sage comme un avertissement. Tu à raison su tu veux quelque choses tu doit agir en conséquence. Et c'est ce que je vais faire cependant sache que je ne ferais pas comme tu le ferais car je suis différent de toi.
@caramelorb we see very far in time, years of advances ... we prepare the indépence Quebec slowly, and the day when we will strike, canada as you know, will literally destroyed before your eyes ...
Cette loi 101 a été amendé plus de 200 fois si je ne m'abuses par la cour suprême Canadienne, la dernière fois tout récemment dans la sage de la loi 104.
On peut bien prendre les moyens, ou du moins tenter de le faire.... il reste à savoir si on nous le permet.
Les études démographes des dernières années montrent un recul du français partout au Québec, particulièrement à Montréal.
7 millions sur 330 signifie que le français sera toujours menacé.
Félicitations pour ce montage vidéo!!! Vraiment très bien fait.... la musique qui joue en arrière-plan est vraiment efficace avec le propos et les images.
@imgonnakickyourface J'acquiesce mon cher. J'ai vu des vidéos de cela sur YouTube et JE ME SOUVIENS, même si je ne suis né qu'un mois et demi après. Sérieusement, j'avais envie de pleurer et de vomir en voyant l'hypocrisie du Canada. En plus, ces temps-ci, il y a une annonce sur l'hitoire du Canada dans laquelle on affirme que nos racines sont les Anglais
Vos yeules les anglais avec tout le respect que j'ai pour vous en tant que bon voisin. Vous êtes même pas capable de comprendre le vidéo et ce que je dis.. Je ne me forcerai pas pour vous l'écrire en anglais parce que vous ne le faites pas pour nous. Le Québec a besoin plus que jamais de son pays avec la mondialisation.
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You'll never be winners. Losing is part of your heritage and history. It's in your blood. You'll never be as good as the English. And you will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
"NOTHING short of a bullet or rope will shut you up - we both know it! "
Right. You quoted someone, show me what he actually said. That alone will make me shut up.
You won't for a simple reason : you cannot show me something you've distorted beyond recognition. You can't show me a lie. This is the sole reason you aren't showing me anything, not because "that won't make me shut up anyway".
Are you kidding?? Support was over 60% in the polls!
"and most other economists have stated - that without Canadian money, quebec as it is now is not financially viable."
That's wrong. If there is debate whether or not independant Québec is better suited than inside Canada there is really not really one about if it is 'financially viable' or not. We have our own very federal Premier claim there is no doubt Québec is viable.
"Why do you think the various separatist gvts refused to separate once they achieved power? "
Twice they've held a referendum with it in mind should they get a majority. Twice they had their best representative militate actively to promote the idea.
"Why do you think the Conservative party has written off quebec? "
Because Québec doesn't think much of their right-wing approaches especially when it comes to social issues?
"The quebec nationalist mythology is too strong right now so every politician has to play into that! "
Because you know nothing about the Québécois and do not realize that by every dictionary definition of the word 'nation' they fit it, also because you are a racist bigot, I'll let it slide.
"The Conservatives have written off quebec because no matter how much federal money is poured into quebec, it's never enough. "
Because doesn't give a rat's ass about the ex Reform Party's gang whose ideology on many things is roughly the opposite of what most Québécois believe.
"If they won the election, there's no need for a referendum! "
Elections are never won with a 50%+1 majority of VOTES in Québec. I certainly wouldn't object a declaration of independence if the election campaign is centralized around the unity question and if the sovereignists make it clear thats what a vote for them would mean.
To have any chance of getting any sort of international recognition (including Canadian recognition!), you would need that.
No, it's not a question of votes, it's a question of who gets elected to the Provincial gvt!
If the separatists believed in independence, the minute they won a Provincial election, they could declare quebec independent!
As for the question of whether or not an election would be about separatism, that's part of the pq and bq! Everyone already knows a vote for them is a vote for independence, except the pq and bq don't want it - they just want the money being elected gives them.
If you can't tell when a politician is telling you only what you want to hear, then no wonder you're a separatist!
They sold you on the idea of a strong quebec, and you're so desperate to belong - ground we've already covered because you're not pur laine and will never be seen as a true quebecker - that you believe anyone, anywhere, about anything so long as it ends with quebec can be independent!
I won't ever believe that idea coming from the mouth of someone that promotes federalism. That is promoting a weak Québec, unable to properly shape its path.
Finally! You agree that nothing short of a bullet or rope will shut you up.
You framed this quest you're on, and I refuse to participate. You played your hand too early by already showing how you were going to frame your interpretation...
"So, let me understand this, you want me to give you the quote exactly as I wrote it, but in french, otherwise you'll accuse me of your separatist revisionist history?"
Yeah.
Considering I am convinced you botched the 'translation', prove me wrong.
Considering you are trying to buy time right now, I'd say this pretty much proves my saying.
Pitifully, you can't escape the fact that one of your separatist leaders crowed about how no other premier dared repress one public's rights to preserve the french language. It's in the National Assembly's records, yet you refuse to find it yourself!
Instead, you're trying to denounce me for not quoting it exactly! I'm not going to be forced into your game of semantics. We BOTH know what was said, but YOU are choosing to attack me for saying it.
Robert Bourassa was never a 'separatist leader', I find it amusing to see you refer to him as such : he was not a Québec sovereignist to begin with. If he were, he would have launched a referendum right after Meech's failure and Québec would have seceded by now.
Says how little you know about someone you think you are quoting.
We still haven't seen that quote. All I'm asking is for you to copypaste it here, something I would have no problem doing. When I'm asked to give a source about something I've said, I feel it is my responsability to do so.
But I know why I wont ever see it : it does not exist as advertised and you know it all too well.
It does exist, it is a matter of public record, and I refuse to play games of semantics and translation with someone who is so passionately devoted to revisionist history and separtist mythology that nothing will deter you.
"and I refuse to play games of semantics and translation with someone who is so passionately devoted to revisionist history and separtist mythology that nothing will deter you."
The ACTUAL quote should be in french, you have NOTHING to translate, just something to copypaste.
If it existed, you could have easily shut me up yet you refuse to and continue to run. You are a coward, Philip, and a hypocrite of enormous proportion considering your revisionism accusations.
NOTHING short of a bullet or rope will shut you up - we both know it!
And since I have no interest in dirtying my hands, that means no matter what is said, you'll keep posting your bullshit separatist victimization mythology talking points.
Yes, he was. Just because he was the liberal leader does not make him a federalist.
Do you really think secession would have succeeded?
Then once again, you're too far gone to be worthy of life in Canada. Just remember, you don't get to keep the land - the ROC will make sure any separation will look like St Pierre and Micquelon.
Yet he didn't launch a referendum when he was certain to win it? At the very peak of Québec sovereignty support in the province?? Even after a commission recommended to launch a referendum????
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Yes he was a ardent supporter of Québec being nation, yes he seeked for it more autonomy, yes he backed Bill 101 (as did Stéphane Dion whom nobody could call a sovereinist).
He wasn't certain he could win it, and as I've previously mentioned - and most other economists have stated - that without Canadian money, quebec as it is now is not financially viable. Without federal money, Bourassa would have had to scale back the social support network, in addition to the many industries and companies that FLED quebec during the 80's, 90's, and are only now keeping a minimal presence in quebec.
"Bourassa would have had to scale back the social support network"
Assuming this is needed, that in no way insinuates Québec isn't viable because it would need to rethink some of its priorities.
Most companies that wanted to leave, did after the burgeonning of Bill 101 in my book. I'm talking about the Cadburys of this world. Nothing of the sort happened in 95.
Québec doesn't tax private corporations all that much and this is little base to any insinuation an independant Québec is less equipped to keep companies or attract new ones.
I can't imagine the major banks leaving Québec and leaving the entire territory to les Caisses Desjardins, for example.
What ends up shaping the economy remains the offer and the demand.
"You're doing what separatists always do, attempting to rewrite history."
Confused aren't you?
"In 1987, Robert Bourrassa said what I said he said - it's a MATTER OF RECORD. IT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED, IDIOT! "
Find me the exact quote, which is very much likely in FRENCH. It better be literally exacly what you said it is. Nothing should be easier for you to do if it is a documented fact. You better come back to me on this.
You want to talk about revisionism? Misquoting would be exactly it.
So, let me understand this, you want me to give you the quote exactly as I wrote it, but in french, otherwise you'll accuse me of your separatist revisionist history?
Yeah, once again, a separatist is trying to control reality to fit a narrow-minded agenda.
"And btw asshole, the education system in quebec is skewed to give those statistics, because all non-anglos are counted as francos... "
Uh? Start off by learning to control your frustration, child.
The education system does not make statistics on Québec's demographics to my knowledge. If you do not believe Québec is 80% born french and that 95% of the province speaks it, all you have to do is look up stats on the Statistics Canada website.
The only revisionism is yours. Uneducated fool, learn your history, and learn Quebec history... you obviously missed a huge part of it... i'd say about 95% of it, is completly unknown to you.
The only info you get, is from your quebec-hating biased medias (National Post, Toronto Sun, Montreal Gazette), which tell you crap to maintain your angst against Quebecois.
Soon enough, Dirty WASP, we'll kick you out of our country, Québec.
This was written in english, to make sure you get it, dumbass.
"The quebecois OWE every inch of quebec to CANADA. They don't own any of it. The borders will be reshaped, the transfer of property and funds will proceed, the borders with what quebec will become will be shut."
Not only Canadian laws but even international laws make this sort of partition illegal should Québec secede. When Kosovo did, its serbian-inhabited northern region seceded with it. The same applied to the russian-inhabited region of Ukraine when it did.
"You believe in quebec? That's a result of propaganda"
And you later dare talk about bias.
"Your "common sense" is the common sense of a brain-washed separatist who thinks its acceptable to suspend the civil and human rights of non-francophones."
Like what, many dispositions of Bill 101 target everyone BUT the english Canadians.
"You don't know what you're talking about because if the separatist leaders wanted to, they could separate because they elect a separatist provincial party and a majority of federal separatist leaders."
It takes more than being elected, to insure international recognition, you need 50%+1 of the population to agree with Québec sovereignty, hence the referendums.
Do you really think that just because certain aspects of Bill 101 don't target anglophones that it's okay?
Funny how Robert Bourassa was proud and the legislature was clapping and cheering when he bragged that no other premier had ever been so bold as to violate anglophones' human rights.
OOPS. Once again, you've been shown to be an idiot.
"when he bragged that no other premier had ever been so bold as to violate anglophones' human rights."
That is your way to word a non-reality.
Roughly all anglos have to cope with is mandatory french on commercial signs. Stop right there, that's your idea of a breach of human rights? What WAS appalling was when most commercial signs in Montréal were in english when its population was mostly french, before Bill 101.
Let's not forget french being mandatory on signs doesn't make english illegal on them. All languages are allowed, as long as a french is also one of them. I'm sorry if this makes no sense for you, but 80% of the province is a born francophone and 95% can speak it.
What makes no sense is that businesses are not allowed to advertise as they see fit - English can only be half as large as french, and only half as many signs as french.
And btw asshole, the education system in quebec is skewed to give those statistics, because all non-anglos are counted as francos...
"The mood of Canada simply would not allow quebec to separate without severe consequences. We're sick of your bullshit and brainwashing."
Yet Ontario sells more to Québec than it buys from it, it is dependant on the St-Lawrence waterway and a part of it on our electricity. Québec cuts the maritimes from the western provinces. Canada has doing to gain whatsoever from boycotting Québec after its secession.
Je n'ai pas l'intention de continuer à discuter sur un sujet ou il est question d'opinion et non de faits. Je crois au Québec. Et surtout n'oubliez pas qu'avant le Canada c'était la Nouvelle-France donc si vous êtes là c'est un peu grâce aux expéditions françaises. Ceci était mon dernier mot.
No... It's because the ENGLISH colonized what is now the United States and its population grew.
Combine a growing English population in the south with a war-starting french monarchy, and it was inevitable that at some point, the English would migrate North.
You believe in quebec? That's a result of propaganda, but that's a freedom given to you by CANADA.
Je ne sais malheureusement pas où les trouver, car nous avions abordé le sujet à l'occasion d'un cours de sciences humaines où le thème était la place du Québec dans le Canada...
Des études ont prouvé que l'économie du Québec surviverait et serait comparable à celle des pays scandinaves (Je ne me rappelle plus exactement lequel) qui ont, la meilleure qualité de vie au monde tout en ayant une population semblable à celle du Québec. De toute façon tu ne peux pas imposer ton opinion, plusieurs personnes croient encore et on sait bien que rien n'est irréversible dans un sens comme dans un autre ;) techniquement le Québec n'est pas dans la constitution Canadienne.
Lorsque l'on cite des études, cocochanel, il faut être en mesure de les trouver et de les montrer.
Il est vrai que le Québec est sur plusieurs points, particulièrement démographiquement et géographiquement semblable aux pays scandinaves mais je ne me rappelle pas d'une étude y faisant la comparaison.
Canada will not allow quebec to separate and not get back the money we spent developping it.
The infrastructure around the St Laurence Seaway will be owned by Canada, the hightech/aerospace in Montreal will come back, all the federal jobs will be lost and the lands/buildings will be sold at a profit to us.
Wrong, all paid by Québec via its share of federal taxes thus all those Canadian assets should normally be transfered to it after a secession. The same goes for the national debt.
Not understanding this puts into light your ridiculous bias and unability to properly understand the situation.
Everything you say you've already said a thousand times and it's been wrong a thousand and one times.
Very simply put, and you can't argue with this because it's a truth, that should quebec separate, the fact that it has been recieving disproportionate federal money will mean it will have to repay those amounts.
The mood of Canada simply would not allow quebec to separate without severe consequences. We're sick of your bullshit and brainwashing.
La guerre est loin d'avoir été pedue ou vaine, parce que tant qu'il y aura des personnes pour croire à notre identité y'aura l'espoir que d'autres reconnaissent la valeur du Québec en tant que pays! Et surtout ne dites pas qu'il n'y a pas d'espoir, parce qu'on se bat contre l'assimilation depuis des siècles pour parler français et vivre libre et que selon moi on se débrouille pas mal du tout, malgré notre minorité!
If separatism was a good thing, you've had separatist gvts provincially and most of your federal representatives have been separatist.
So why haven't they separated? It's because they know the minute they do, their economy will TANK. That's the ugly truth, quebec's economy will tank. Canada will demand renumeration for all the development it's poured in, and the money will stop.
First off, the only renumeration Canada will get from it is a part of its debt transfer to Québec. That % of the debt will be the same as the % of all Canadian assets that will ALSO be transfered to Québec.
The sovereignist leaders have held 2 referendums on the unity question. If they believed it would 'tank', they wouldn't have bothered.
Let's hear why you think Québec's economy will 'tank'.
NO, the country will DEMAND it get back every fucking penny from quebec, not to mention the land CANADA paid to develop.
We've covered this ground before, and you're just some ideologically-fucked separatist.
BTW, THAT is why the politicians have the referendums - because you're fucking stupid and they throw you a bone in order to get your votes! They are TERRIFIED of actually winning.
NO, the country will DEMAND it get back every fucking penny from quebec, not to mention the land CANADA paid to develop."
Damn me again. The Québécois will democraticly vote to secede. Those are the same Québécois that have paid federal taxes all their lives that contributed to whatever the federal invested in Québec, they thus owe every inch of it.
The quebecois OWE every inch of quebec to CANADA. They don't own any of it. The borders will be reshaped, the transfer of property and funds will proceed, the borders with what quebec will become will be shut.
The country will demand it, and that's why separatist leaders are scared of actually separating. They know as soon as they get their independence, they are fucked.
"We've covered this ground before, and you're just some ideologically-fucked separatist. "
That has nothing to do with being ideological and all about common sense. I would actually find very few to disagree with this besides you.
"They are TERRIFIED of actually winning."
If they were, no referendum would have happened, we've had two, with sovereignist leaders heavily campagning in favor. You don't know what you are talking about.
Your "common sense" is the common sense of a brain-washed separatist who thinks its acceptable to suspend the civil and human rights of non-francophones.
You don't know what you're talking about because if the separatist leaders wanted to, they could separate because they elect a separatist provincial party and a majority of federal separatist leaders.
Haha!!! You've fear. Près de 300 ans après la conquête des plaines d'abrahame, la culture française domine sur le téritoire québecois. Qui est assimilé? C'est au peuple d'écrire leur histoire. L'indépendance du Québec est aussi prévisible que la mort. Ont sait pertinament que cela arrivera. nous vaincrons.
I was recently at the Plains of Abraham. Then I strolled to a nearby McDonald's for a quick bite, then a nearby Second Cup for a coffee, and then walked by Harvey's to go to a Ben & Jerry's ice cream stand for some dessert. All the while, I heard Michael Jackson songs being played in restaurants and store fronts. Haha!!! Congratulations on your big cultural conquest. It's not Canada that will overwhelm french kweebek-province "culture", it's North America. It's called gobalization pal.
You went to places that all had a french only menus behind the counter. You even went to a McDonald's, which serves poutine... no less.
MJ? You'd be surprised, the Québécois culture does not shun other cultures. We'll gladly listen to good music, whoever made it but our local products will still always feel special to us.
Very glad you aknowledge there is no such thing as a Canadian culture and rather make it clear, it is North American culture.
McPoutine actually. The great bastion of kweebekwaa culinary culture, alongside maple syrup and Pepsi-May-West. Glad you acknowledge that poutine is what all the fuss is about -- I mean separation from Canada and all. Separatist proclaim their "culture" is in peril, but when challenged, can't really define their "culture" beyong language. Yet separatists have no qualms about banning other languages (let alone shunning them). Globalization will ensure the demise of french in kweebek-province.
You are talking about a broad term and I've answered you on this many times and have seen other people answer you.
You just don't accept the answers because of their ties to the language. Nobody will deny a great deal of Québec's diversity spawned directly from speaking a different language. As soon as that is understood, and when put in a demographic and geographic context, language protectionism makes sense.
Québec, while at the same time embracing a lot about american culture, holds a huge spot for local products. Be that music, movies, tv shows, theatre, comedy acts, name it.
If it were limited by language only, France shows & movies wouldn't have so much of a hard time to sell here.
The Genie Golden Reel award generally goes to a french Québec production. That is even considering the thing roughly won't be shown in the 9 other provinces.
The 15 most watched shows on Québec tv are Québec productions, the 15 most watched shows in the rest of Canada arent.
You have the nerves to doubt its importance because you've heard Michael Jackson touring Québec. Have you seen how many countries had countless people grieve his death??? Cultureless? All of them?
A chaque fois que je vois Trudeau dire qu'il mettait son siege en jeu.. argh.. montrez le ce video.. montrez qu'il a menti.. qu'il NOUS a menti. qu'il nous a trahi....
c'est le gouvernement canadien qui l'a nommée.. des traites de mettre le pire premier ministre qu'on n'a jamais eu en lui donnant le nom de notre aéroport dans notre métropole dans notre pays !" Devenir un pays pour éviter toutes ses aliénation et encannadianisations. Je suis d'accord avec toi. Vive le Québec libre.souverain. Les Québécois doivent être chez eux et pouvoir s'épanouir sur la scène internationale.
Les Chinois lancèrent 2 de leurs divisions (la 190e et la 191e) environ 14,000 hommes, en contre-attaque sans succès. Léo Major faisant preuve de courage et de détermination donna l'exemple et permit à son peloton de résister et de repousser une attaque chinoise venant des 4 directions pendant 3 jours avant d'être remplacés par d'autres troupes canadiennes. Un soldat avait été blessé et Léo Major le descendit de la colline sur ses épaules, il avait eu le dos brisé en Hollande!
wow je meur d'envie d'en savoir plus sur se vraie héros Québecois. dire qu'ont s'identifie plus a Maurice Richard qu'a ce mr Léo Major.... j'ai la rage de voir que notres vraie histoire nous est pas enseigné dans les écoles public & privé (gérer par le gouvernement canahien?)
Léo Major c'est vraiment un héros, une légende et une fierté pour tout les Québécois !!! Au états- Unis, il y aurait eu au moins trois film sur la vie de l'homme impossible à tuer !!!
Le colonel demanda à Léo Major s'il pouvait faire quelque chose. Léo Major demanda qu'on lui laisse carte blanche, qu'on lui laisse choisir ses hommes et que chaque homme après cette mission recevrait une bouteille de rhum et une permission. Le colonel accepta et Léo Major partit à la tombée de la nuit avec un peloton qu'il avait lui-même entraîné. Au matin, la colline était aux mains de Léo Major et son équipe.
En Corée, les Américains avaient perdu une colline importante (la 355) lors d'une attaque. La 5ieme division Américaine forte d'environ 10,000 hommes, s'étaient repliés en laissant une très importante quantité de matériel derrière eux. Ils tentèrent sans succès de récupérer la colline et finirent par demander l'aide de l'armée canadienne. Le colonel demanda à Léo Major s'il pouvait faire quelque chose.
deuxième DCM : lors de la guerre de Corée, l'armée canadienne demanda à Léo Major s'il serait volontaire pour aller en Corée et qu'il serait le millième soldat à s'enrôler pour cette guerre.
Il arriva au quartier général des SS, tua 4 soldats et mit les autres en fuite. Il mit le feu au QG de la Gestapo. Au petit matin il se rendit compte que les troupes allemandes avaient fui la ville (ceux qui n'avaient pas été capturés par Léo). Il se mit à cogner à plusieurs portes mais les gens étaient trop effrayés pour sortir.
Une dizaine de fois il surprit et captura des groupes de soldats allemands (il les capturait et les dirigeait hors de la ville près des positions du régiment et les remettait aux soldats canadiens français et retournait vers la ville pour continuer sa mission).
Il prit la décision de continuer la mission seul. Il entra dans la ville de Zwolle la nuit et il se mit à attaquer les patrouilles allemandes et à courir dans les rues de la ville en lançant des grenades dans les maisons vides afin de faire croire à l'invasion de la ville par les troupes canadiennes. Quatre fois dans la nuit, il dut forcer quelques portes de maison pour pouvoir se reposer et faire le point.
Willie Arseneault perdait la vie en traversant une voie de chemin de fer. Les Allemands avaient installé un nid de mitrailleuses en direction du chemin de fer et aussitôt qu'ils entendaient du bruit, ils ouvraient le feu. Willie Arseneault fut atteint de plusieurs balles et mourut dans les bras de son ami Léo Major. Furieux Léo Major décida d'attaquer ceux qui venaient de tuer son ami. Il tua deux soldats allemands et mit en fuite le reste du peloton.
Afin de connaître la force de l'ennemi le commandant du régiment demanda deux volontaires (on doit savoir que durant les semaines de mars et avril, 50 soldats canadiens perdaient la vie chaque jour). Léo Major et son meilleur ami, Willie Arseneault, furent immédiatement volontaires.
Il s'échappa de l'hôpital lorsqu'il apprit qu'il serait rapatrié en Angleterre. Il s'échappa de l'hôpital et fut reçu par une famille hollandaise (les Slepenbeck). Il habita quelques jours avec eux avant de partir rejoindre son bataillon.
Quelques semaines plus tard, son régiment était à proximité de la ville de Zwolle en Hollande. Cette ville était sous la domination d'une forte résistance allemande.
Son histoire continue en 1945 alors qu'il assistait l'aumônier du régiment à récupérer les corps de soldats tués lors d'une bataille de chars d'assaut, son véhicule (un Bren Carrier) passa sur une mine antichar. L'aumônier et le conducteur furent tués alors que Léo Major fut grièvement blessé. Il fut placé derrière un camion, reçut plusieurs doses de morphine et fut conduit dans un hôpital militaire située à environ 100 km à l'intérieur des lignes alliés.
Le Général Montgomery devait lui remettre cette décoration, mais Léo Major, qui le jugeait militairement incompétent, la refusa. Il captura à lui seul plus de 150 soldats ennemis lors de la libération de la ville de Zwolle au Pays-Bas.
La première journée du jour J il fit la capture d'une unité blindée allemande (un Hanomag Sd.Kfz 251). Il a capturé 93 soldats allemands lors de la bataille de l'Escaut mais a refusé d'être décoré.
Pourquoi une légende ? Avec 4 autres soldats du Régiments de La Chaudière il capture la plage de Juno en Normandie (alors que les troupes anglo-canadiennes étaient en train de se faire massacrer par les soldats allemands). Léo Major a perdu un œil peu de temps après le débarquement et a refusé une évacuation médicale.
oui le Canada vous encules bien profonds les Québécois le pire c'est que vous vous laissez faire. Comment vous pouvez n'être pas fier de qui vous êtes jusqu'au bout ête vous des laches ou une vrai nation ???
Je relance la question et la demande aux fédéralistes qui tremblent devant le risque. Les pires d'entre eux d'ailleurs passé maître dans l'art de s'auto-dénigrer.
Soit Le Canada devrai devenir 100% bilinque d'un cote a l'autre, soit le Canada et le Quebec devient deux pays independants. Pas d'autres choix. Les Quebecois on le doit d'etre un peuple francophone!
davidnhvtme 5 months ago 2
Le poil qui lève mon gars !
Cedric27Qc 6 months ago
Ahaha! C'est sûr, qui sont fâcher les Anglais, il on vu que 1/4 de leurs population, 1/4 de leurs PIB... à été sauvé par un faible et minime 0,6% !
Il y a un jour ou on doit réaliser qu'on est assez vieux et qu'un jour on doit quitter la maison, tout en aimant tout de même notre famille!
Mais quelle avenir les jeunes Québécois on au sein du Canada? Un jour ou l'autre la violence éclatera, car un jour ou l'autre on fera ce que nos parents on eu peur de faire! Et nous le ferons avec fierté!
afterbal2011 11 months ago
C'est tu moi, ou Robert Bourassa est carrément viré séparatiste après les deux accords ?
killerguitar44 1 year ago
@killerguitar44
Bourassa aurait put faire la souveraineté s'il l'aurait voulu et il ne l'a pas fait.
Vineon 1 year ago
@Vineon
Il était à la tête d'un parti fédéraliste, le seul à défendre les intérêts des fédéralistes au Québec. Ça aurait été la consternation si ce parti fédéraliste avait fait l'indépendance !!
Je considère que Robert Bourassa a tout de même un rôle beaucoup moins funeste que PET & fils.
killerguitar44 1 year ago
@killerguitar44
Sauf qu'il avait un prétexte pour le faire, les conclusions du rapport Allaire, et il avait un certain appui en ce sens dans son propre parti.
Il m'apparait comme un lâcheur, capable de ne faire les choses qu'à moitié.
Vineon 1 year ago
@Vineon
Il aurait été un lâcheur s'il s'était engagé à tout faire en son possible pour faire l'indépendance. Il s'est plutôt engagé à ne pas la faire.
killerguitar44 1 year ago
Voici un lien pour lire le discour de bourgoult. L'interprétatition personel de la lecture ajoute un quelque chose ! bonne journée a vous Gens du pays.
brous001 1 year ago
haha lol, quebec will never be a nation, english rules
rennychj 1 year ago
@rennychj
I'm afraid Québec is de facto a nation as would tell you most sociologists.
It is also something your own country, starting with your PM and the house of commons with their MPs recognizes now.
American Joel Garreau said of Québec that it was "the most improbable yet most undeniable nation of North America".
Vineon 1 year ago
@Vineon «Le Québec est la plus improbable mais néanmoins la plus incontestable des 9 nations d'Amérique. Quels sont les peuples qui survivront à la 3e guerre mondiale ? Les Chinois, parce qu'ils sont si nombreux, et les Québécois parce qu'ils ont survécu aux derniers quatre siècles, ils peuvent survivre à n'importe quoi. Il est clair que les ...Québécois sont différents du Canada et bien entendu des États-Unis et de la France.»
-Joel Garreau, chef de pupitre au Washington Post
patrI0t3qc 1 year ago 7
@rennychj ... You just watch us ...
ticuldeboisbriand 1 year ago
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@rennychj ... You just watch us mon ami.
ticuldeboisbriand 1 year ago
J'ai des frissons quand j'écoute ce vidéo
CedricQuebecLibre 1 year ago
Personnellement et vue de france (jsuis français) je pense que le canada anglophone a plus besoin des ressources quebecoises, que le quebec a besoin du canada anglophone, qui vous faits miroité un pouvoir qu'ils contrôlent sans partage. J'espère qu'un jour vous serez souverain sur vos terres, et que vous cesserez de vous faire dupés par les anglo-saxons qui ont très bien compris une doctrine "diviser pour mieux régner"... Bonne chance! et vive le Quebec libre! helas dernier pays defleur de lys
mouackito 1 year ago 4
Votre fédération ne vous donnera jamais plus que la ration qu'elle voudra bien vous accorder. Mais votre NATION, elle, vous donnera tout ce qui vous revient de droit.
Un cousin de France.
rocknsixties 1 year ago 4
Je pense tout simplement qu'on s’est fait assez avoir au cours de notre histoire... On n'avons qu'à penser au temps de la Nouvelle-France lorsque nous nous faisions rentrer dedans par les Anglais. Les Français nous ont jamais envoyé de renfort et Voltaire aurait dit au roi de France une si belle phrase Roi: Devrions-nous envoyer des renforts, Voltaire: Pour de quelques arpents de neige ?..... Je pense tout simplement que le Québec n'est jamais reconnu à sa juste valeur. Merci.
peanut141516 1 year ago
Trudeau est un menteur, oui il a sauvé Cuba, oui il a donné. le droit aux gais de faire ce qu'ils veulent, oui il a maintenu l'accès à l'avortement à une époque ou les red necks anglais voulaient la criminalisé, oui il a rayonné les olympiques de 76 (mais avec des dettes immenses), oui grâce à lui le Canada a pris ses distances de l'Angleterre et des États-Unis... Mais pour son propre peuple, pour sa patrie Trudeau est l'un des hommes politique qui a eu le rôle le plus funeste de notre Histoire
CedricQuebecLibre 1 year ago 4
Vive le Québec libre et prospère !!!!!
Max122187 1 year ago 5
on fait meme pas parti du Canada alors pourquoi nous sommes encore là
davd2468 1 year ago 5
Vive le Quebec libre et Francophone !! La France reconnaissante !!
Grimgor2a 1 year ago 5
Le ciel est notre seul drapeau, vive le québec!
CedricQuebecLibre 1 year ago 3
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Ils auront eu tort de ne pas nous prendre au sérieux.
Ils paieront le prix de leur arrogance.
Ils reculeront doucement, la peur plein les yeux.
Commes des soldats terrifiés par l'indiférence.
Nous nous leverons, tous ensemble, instinctivement.
Nous les tiendrons adossés à la côte.
Nous nous prendrons bientôt en main.
Le jour J approche, d'une façon ou d'une autre.
Vive le Québec Libre!
DiscipleDeNemesis 1 year ago
Québec, Québec, Québec je veux mon vrai pays le Québec !!!!
humanaredumb12 1 year ago 5
Cette loi 101 a été amendé plus de 200 fois si je ne m'abuses par la cour suprême Canadienne, la dernière fois tout récemment dans la saga de la loi 104.
On peut bien prendre les moyens, ou du moins tenter de le faire.... il reste à savoir si on nous le permet.
Les études démographes des dernières années montrent un recul du français partout au Québec, particulièrement à Montréal.
7 millions sur 330 signifie que le français sera toujours menacé.
Vineon 1 year ago
What a paranoid little man you are...
caramelorb 1 year ago
@caramelorb Si tu veux nous insulter parle donc notre langue. Pour ma part je n'ai aucune paranoïa mais un désir vif de voir mon peuple libre, fière et souverain.
nlussierc 2 months ago
I don't take orders from minority members. nlussierc, separate! Once and for all separate! Dispense with the childish referendums, declare independence, take up arms, defeat the opposing army, pay all debts, set up a treasury, print your own money, defend kweebek's borders, speak french until you choke, and revel in your precious ineffable "culture". Go ahead - JUST DO IT ALL! What are you waiting for? Aren't you real men? What's wrong with separatists? Are you all talk and no action?
caramelorb 2 months ago
@caramelorb Bien sur chère caramelorb avec toute ta diligence et ton respect j'apprécie tes encouragements! Tu ne connais pas celui que tu insulte. Mais je prend tes paroles sage comme un avertissement. Tu à raison su tu veux quelque choses tu doit agir en conséquence. Et c'est ce que je vais faire cependant sache que je ne ferais pas comme tu le ferais car je suis différent de toi.
nlussierc 2 months ago
@caramelorb we see very far in time, years of advances ... we prepare the indépence Quebec slowly, and the day when we will strike, canada as you know, will literally destroyed before your eyes ...
Bouddh4 1 month ago
je suis un quebecois et un canadien et je suis fiere:)
vraiment fiere.
le francais n'est pas menacer parce qu'on a deja pris les moyenne de le proteger avec la loi 101, etc.
c'est temps de parler choses
je vous aimes tous!!!!!!!!!!!:)
sergioapuzzo 1 year ago
@sergioapuzzo
Cette loi 101 a été amendé plus de 200 fois si je ne m'abuses par la cour suprême Canadienne, la dernière fois tout récemment dans la sage de la loi 104.
On peut bien prendre les moyens, ou du moins tenter de le faire.... il reste à savoir si on nous le permet.
Les études démographes des dernières années montrent un recul du français partout au Québec, particulièrement à Montréal.
7 millions sur 330 signifie que le français sera toujours menacé.
Vineon 1 year ago
Félicitations pour ce montage vidéo!!! Vraiment très bien fait.... la musique qui joue en arrière-plan est vraiment efficace avec le propos et les images.
salvador1983 1 year ago
Les ti calice d'anglais qui sont vnus nous rire dans la face 3 jours avant " We love you Québec " méritent tous d'aller en enfer
imgonnakickyourface 1 year ago
@imgonnakickyourface J'acquiesce mon cher. J'ai vu des vidéos de cela sur YouTube et JE ME SOUVIENS, même si je ne suis né qu'un mois et demi après. Sérieusement, j'avais envie de pleurer et de vomir en voyant l'hypocrisie du Canada. En plus, ces temps-ci, il y a une annonce sur l'hitoire du Canada dans laquelle on affirme que nos racines sont les Anglais
2VtEAf 10 months ago
@2VtEAf totalement d'accord.
zacodaco12345 7 months ago
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HabsfanCed 1 year ago
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HabsfanCed 1 year ago
Plus que Jamais
Cemet78Nosce 2 years ago
À bas les fédéralistes!
Vive la démocratie!
Vive le Québec libre!!!
GauvinMTL 2 years ago
Vos yeules les anglais avec tout le respect que j'ai pour vous en tant que bon voisin. Vous êtes même pas capable de comprendre le vidéo et ce que je dis.. Je ne me forcerai pas pour vous l'écrire en anglais parce que vous ne le faites pas pour nous. Le Québec a besoin plus que jamais de son pays avec la mondialisation.
hootchee22 2 years ago 3
You losers can't even win a referendum of your own devising. Now you want to resist globalization? What lunkheads.
caramelorb 2 years ago
@caramelorb
said the guy who live in a country that no one care
libreqc 2 years ago
il faut se séparer!rassembler les troupes!!!!
jcberard 2 years ago
Yeah, right. Assemble the troops. Be sure to have enough poutine, Pepsi and May Wests to nourish them too.
caramelorb 2 years ago
@caramelorb
that just so much out of nowhere. can't you think of real insult. oups, that right, no you can't
libreqc 2 years ago
VIVE LE QUEBEC LIBRE!!!!!
Un cousin de France...
superchameau 2 years ago 38
@superchameau
Pas les cousins, les frères.
DuPuieproductions 1 year ago
Un jour...
LQueb 2 years ago 3
... mybe in your dreams. But in the real world? Never. You'll die a Canadian, just like ti-poil.
caramelorb 2 years ago
@caramelorb
and you die like a stupid loser
libreqc 2 years ago
@caramelorb
a and i forgot, you will also die as a canadian, a clone of an american but weaker and less important
libreqc 2 years ago
hahaha dans tes dents caramelorb bravo libreqc ca lui apprendra à cette trace de merde...
assfingerprints 1 year ago
c est impressionant la haine du peuple qui nous a coloniser
c est impressionant le nombres de commentaires d anglais plus nombreux que ceux des francophones
un jour ou l autre notre peuple seras debout souverain ni mieux ni pire que les autres
ecureiljaune 2 years ago 26
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You'll never be winners. Losing is part of your heritage and history. It's in your blood. You'll never be as good as the English. And you will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
caramelorb 2 years ago
@caramelorb Ve te pendre avec tes couilles !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ENCULÉ DE MERDE
phlippe3660 1 year ago
@phlippe3660 Speak white.
caramelorb 10 months ago
Vive le Québec libre, libre le Québec vivre
lionqc 2 years ago 4
"NOTHING short of a bullet or rope will shut you up - we both know it! "
Right. You quoted someone, show me what he actually said. That alone will make me shut up.
You won't for a simple reason : you cannot show me something you've distorted beyond recognition. You can't show me a lie. This is the sole reason you aren't showing me anything, not because "that won't make me shut up anyway".
You are not even man enough to admit it.
Vineon 2 years ago
"He wasn't certain he could win it"
Are you kidding?? Support was over 60% in the polls!
"and most other economists have stated - that without Canadian money, quebec as it is now is not financially viable."
That's wrong. If there is debate whether or not independant Québec is better suited than inside Canada there is really not really one about if it is 'financially viable' or not. We have our own very federal Premier claim there is no doubt Québec is viable.
Vineon 2 years ago
Oh yeah, NOW you're going to claim to believe politicians!
Why do you think the various separatist gvts refused to separate once they achieved power?
Why do you think the Conservative party has written off quebec?
The quebec nationalist mythology is too strong right now so every politician has to play into that!
You fucking idiot! The goal is to get elected, no matter what party you're from, so if that means pretending quebec is strong by itself, then DUH!
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
"Oh yeah, NOW you're going to claim to believe politicians! "
When a militant federalist admits Québec is without a doubt viable on its own, yeah I give it some credence.
Besides, you claim the opinion of many economists, could they be named, could those articles be traced back, can they be shown to me?
Vineon 2 years ago
"Why do you think the various separatist gvts refused to separate once they achieved power? "
Twice they've held a referendum with it in mind should they get a majority. Twice they had their best representative militate actively to promote the idea.
"Why do you think the Conservative party has written off quebec? "
Because Québec doesn't think much of their right-wing approaches especially when it comes to social issues?
Vineon 2 years ago
"The quebec nationalist mythology is too strong right now so every politician has to play into that! "
Because you know nothing about the Québécois and do not realize that by every dictionary definition of the word 'nation' they fit it, also because you are a racist bigot, I'll let it slide.
Vineon 2 years ago
If they won the election, there's no need for a referendum!
No, the separatists crave a referendum simply because it gives the illusion that they want to separate but they know they'll never win!
They just need to make it look close, so there are shenanigans galore to make it look like there's more support than there is.
The Conservatives have written off quebec because no matter how much federal money is poured into quebec, it's never enough.
So, fuck 'em!
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
"If they won the election, there's no need for a referendum! "
Yet we've had two of them!
"They just need to make it look close, so there are shenanigans galore to make it look like there's more support than there is."
Of course, there is that massive organized movement to keep the results close. Do you realize how silly you sound?
Vineon 2 years ago
"The Conservatives have written off quebec because no matter how much federal money is poured into quebec, it's never enough. "
Because doesn't give a rat's ass about the ex Reform Party's gang whose ideology on many things is roughly the opposite of what most Québécois believe.
Vineon 2 years ago
"If they won the election, there's no need for a referendum! "
Elections are never won with a 50%+1 majority of VOTES in Québec. I certainly wouldn't object a declaration of independence if the election campaign is centralized around the unity question and if the sovereignists make it clear thats what a vote for them would mean.
To have any chance of getting any sort of international recognition (including Canadian recognition!), you would need that.
Vineon 2 years ago
No, it's not a question of votes, it's a question of who gets elected to the Provincial gvt!
If the separatists believed in independence, the minute they won a Provincial election, they could declare quebec independent!
As for the question of whether or not an election would be about separatism, that's part of the pq and bq! Everyone already knows a vote for them is a vote for independence, except the pq and bq don't want it - they just want the money being elected gives them.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
blah blah blah "reform party"
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
Tell me they are not the remnants of the Reform Party, I dare you.
Vineon 2 years ago
The Conservative Party is not the remnants of the defunct Reform Party.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
If you can't tell when a politician is telling you only what you want to hear, then no wonder you're a separatist!
They sold you on the idea of a strong quebec, and you're so desperate to belong - ground we've already covered because you're not pur laine and will never be seen as a true quebecker - that you believe anyone, anywhere, about anything so long as it ends with quebec can be independent!
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
"They sold you on the idea of a strong quebec"
I won't ever believe that idea coming from the mouth of someone that promotes federalism. That is promoting a weak Québec, unable to properly shape its path.
Vineon 2 years ago
"You fucking idiot! The goal is to get elected, no matter what party you're from, so if that means pretending quebec is strong by itself, then DUH!"
Getting elected promoting FEDERALISM. Wouldn't the goal be to make it clear Québec couldn't possibly survive without Canada?
Wouldn't it make sense to say "don't vote for the sovereignists, as a secession would inevitably spell doom for Québec"?
Vineon 2 years ago
Finally! You agree that nothing short of a bullet or rope will shut you up.
You framed this quest you're on, and I refuse to participate. You played your hand too early by already showing how you were going to frame your interpretation...
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
"So, let me understand this, you want me to give you the quote exactly as I wrote it, but in french, otherwise you'll accuse me of your separatist revisionist history?"
Yeah.
Considering I am convinced you botched the 'translation', prove me wrong.
Considering you are trying to buy time right now, I'd say this pretty much proves my saying.
Vineon 2 years ago
No, what you've just done is reinforce my belief that no matter what I post, you're going to accuse me of distortion.
It's a shame though, that such hardened separatist as yourself refuses to accept what has been said, or to research it yourself.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
Trust me, if I aim to change anyone's beliefs, it isn't yours. I know that can't be done.
You still haven't shown me this quote, I suppose the only conclusion is that if it exists, you distorted it to your advantage, to use your expression.
Prove me wrong.
You state something, it falls onto you to prove it, not me. It is clear you cannot prove anything.
Vineon 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Listen dummy, it's common knowledge, and you're just trying to do damage control by attacking me into finding some mistake in the translation.
But I'm sure, if you went online into the archives of the national assembly, and looked through the speeches from 1987, you'd find it.
But we both know you won't. We both know I did. Just because I refuse to play your game doesn't detract from what was said in the National Assembly.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
Damage control???
I'm asking you to quote him, I am giving you tools to pin me to the fence and have me admit I was wrong. You are not jumping on the occasion, why?
Because you pitifully can't.
I'm sure Bourassa said something, just as sure as you've distorted it. Apparently, you are scared to death of copypasting the quote.
It is "my game" to ask you to directly show me the quote you refer to? Could you be backpedalling even faster?
Vineon 2 years ago
Pitifully, you can't escape the fact that one of your separatist leaders crowed about how no other premier dared repress one public's rights to preserve the french language. It's in the National Assembly's records, yet you refuse to find it yourself!
Instead, you're trying to denounce me for not quoting it exactly! I'm not going to be forced into your game of semantics. We BOTH know what was said, but YOU are choosing to attack me for saying it.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
Robert Bourassa was never a 'separatist leader', I find it amusing to see you refer to him as such : he was not a Québec sovereignist to begin with. If he were, he would have launched a referendum right after Meech's failure and Québec would have seceded by now.
Says how little you know about someone you think you are quoting.
Vineon 2 years ago
We still haven't seen that quote. All I'm asking is for you to copypaste it here, something I would have no problem doing. When I'm asked to give a source about something I've said, I feel it is my responsability to do so.
But I know why I wont ever see it : it does not exist as advertised and you know it all too well.
Vineon 2 years ago
Oh, it's your "responsability" eh?
It does exist, it is a matter of public record, and I refuse to play games of semantics and translation with someone who is so passionately devoted to revisionist history and separtist mythology that nothing will deter you.
Admit it, you're fucked.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
"and I refuse to play games of semantics and translation with someone who is so passionately devoted to revisionist history and separtist mythology that nothing will deter you."
The ACTUAL quote should be in french, you have NOTHING to translate, just something to copypaste.
If it existed, you could have easily shut me up yet you refuse to and continue to run. You are a coward, Philip, and a hypocrite of enormous proportion considering your revisionism accusations.
Vineon 2 years ago
NOTHING short of a bullet or rope will shut you up - we both know it!
And since I have no interest in dirtying my hands, that means no matter what is said, you'll keep posting your bullshit separatist victimization mythology talking points.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
Yes, he was. Just because he was the liberal leader does not make him a federalist.
Do you really think secession would have succeeded?
Then once again, you're too far gone to be worthy of life in Canada. Just remember, you don't get to keep the land - the ROC will make sure any separation will look like St Pierre and Micquelon.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
Yet he didn't launch a referendum when he was certain to win it? At the very peak of Québec sovereignty support in the province?? Even after a commission recommended to launch a referendum????
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Yes he was a ardent supporter of Québec being nation, yes he seeked for it more autonomy, yes he backed Bill 101 (as did Stéphane Dion whom nobody could call a sovereinist).
Vineon 2 years ago
He wasn't certain he could win it, and as I've previously mentioned - and most other economists have stated - that without Canadian money, quebec as it is now is not financially viable. Without federal money, Bourassa would have had to scale back the social support network, in addition to the many industries and companies that FLED quebec during the 80's, 90's, and are only now keeping a minimal presence in quebec.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
"Bourassa would have had to scale back the social support network"
Assuming this is needed, that in no way insinuates Québec isn't viable because it would need to rethink some of its priorities.
Most companies that wanted to leave, did after the burgeonning of Bill 101 in my book. I'm talking about the Cadburys of this world. Nothing of the sort happened in 95.
Vineon 2 years ago
Québec doesn't tax private corporations all that much and this is little base to any insinuation an independant Québec is less equipped to keep companies or attract new ones.
I can't imagine the major banks leaving Québec and leaving the entire territory to les Caisses Desjardins, for example.
What ends up shaping the economy remains the offer and the demand.
Vineon 2 years ago
"Finally! You agree that nothing short of a bullet or rope will shut you up. "
I said if you were to quote Mr Bourassa (the real quote, which I could then easily find) and if it turned out to be legit, I would of course shut up.
You would have done it ages ago if you could. Reality catches you however, you realise you can't find a source for something that doesn't exist.
Vineon 2 years ago
"You're doing what separatists always do, attempting to rewrite history."
Confused aren't you?
"In 1987, Robert Bourrassa said what I said he said - it's a MATTER OF RECORD. IT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED, IDIOT! "
Find me the exact quote, which is very much likely in FRENCH. It better be literally exacly what you said it is. Nothing should be easier for you to do if it is a documented fact. You better come back to me on this.
You want to talk about revisionism? Misquoting would be exactly it.
Vineon 2 years ago
blah blah blah
So, let me understand this, you want me to give you the quote exactly as I wrote it, but in french, otherwise you'll accuse me of your separatist revisionist history?
Yeah, once again, a separatist is trying to control reality to fit a narrow-minded agenda.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
"And btw asshole, the education system in quebec is skewed to give those statistics, because all non-anglos are counted as francos... "
Uh? Start off by learning to control your frustration, child.
The education system does not make statistics on Québec's demographics to my knowledge. If you do not believe Québec is 80% born french and that 95% of the province speaks it, all you have to do is look up stats on the Statistics Canada website.
All non-anglos are counted as non-anglos.
Vineon 2 years ago
Separatist scum like "vineon" engage in just about the most blatantly dishonest revisionist history that has ever been seen in the 21st Century.
Iran anyone?
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
The only revisionism is yours. Uneducated fool, learn your history, and learn Quebec history... you obviously missed a huge part of it... i'd say about 95% of it, is completly unknown to you.
The only info you get, is from your quebec-hating biased medias (National Post, Toronto Sun, Montreal Gazette), which tell you crap to maintain your angst against Quebecois.
Soon enough, Dirty WASP, we'll kick you out of our country, Québec.
This was written in english, to make sure you get it, dumbass.
qchumour101 2 years ago
blah blah blah
You're boring.
Remember, you learned english from necessity, I learned french from curiousity!
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
So what ! You're still a fuckin troll.
qchumour101 2 years ago
blah blah blah
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
Typical WASP lack of argument... bla bla bla idiot...
qchumour101 2 years ago
I agree, separatists have no argument worthy of anything more than "blah blah blah, idiot".
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
May I note that all countries have language legislation? May I note that at least half the states in the US have some as well?
This is all only a problem from rednecks like yourself when Québec does it.
Vineon 2 years ago
"The quebecois OWE every inch of quebec to CANADA. They don't own any of it. The borders will be reshaped, the transfer of property and funds will proceed, the borders with what quebec will become will be shut."
Not only Canadian laws but even international laws make this sort of partition illegal should Québec secede. When Kosovo did, its serbian-inhabited northern region seceded with it. The same applied to the russian-inhabited region of Ukraine when it did.
Vineon 2 years ago
"You believe in quebec? That's a result of propaganda"
And you later dare talk about bias.
"Your "common sense" is the common sense of a brain-washed separatist who thinks its acceptable to suspend the civil and human rights of non-francophones."
Like what, many dispositions of Bill 101 target everyone BUT the english Canadians.
Vineon 2 years ago
"You don't know what you're talking about because if the separatist leaders wanted to, they could separate because they elect a separatist provincial party and a majority of federal separatist leaders."
It takes more than being elected, to insure international recognition, you need 50%+1 of the population to agree with Québec sovereignty, hence the referendums.
Vineon 2 years ago
You idiot!
Do you really think that just because certain aspects of Bill 101 don't target anglophones that it's okay?
Funny how Robert Bourassa was proud and the legislature was clapping and cheering when he bragged that no other premier had ever been so bold as to violate anglophones' human rights.
OOPS. Once again, you've been shown to be an idiot.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
"when he bragged that no other premier had ever been so bold as to violate anglophones' human rights."
That is your way to word a non-reality.
Roughly all anglos have to cope with is mandatory french on commercial signs. Stop right there, that's your idea of a breach of human rights? What WAS appalling was when most commercial signs in Montréal were in english when its population was mostly french, before Bill 101.
Vineon 2 years ago
Let's not forget french being mandatory on signs doesn't make english illegal on them. All languages are allowed, as long as a french is also one of them. I'm sorry if this makes no sense for you, but 80% of the province is a born francophone and 95% can speak it.
Vineon 2 years ago
What makes no sense is that businesses are not allowed to advertise as they see fit - English can only be half as large as french, and only half as many signs as french.
And btw asshole, the education system in quebec is skewed to give those statistics, because all non-anglos are counted as francos...
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
blah blah blah
You're doing what separatists always do, attempting to rewrite history.
In 1993, the UN ruled that Bill 101 was against the UN Charter of Human Rights.
In 1987, Robert Bourrassa said what I said he said - it's a MATTER OF RECORD. IT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED, IDIOT!
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
"The mood of Canada simply would not allow quebec to separate without severe consequences. We're sick of your bullshit and brainwashing."
Yet Ontario sells more to Québec than it buys from it, it is dependant on the St-Lawrence waterway and a part of it on our electricity. Québec cuts the maritimes from the western provinces. Canada has doing to gain whatsoever from boycotting Québec after its secession.
Vineon 2 years ago
It's all liberal party politics. That's it.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
Je n'ai pas l'intention de continuer à discuter sur un sujet ou il est question d'opinion et non de faits. Je crois au Québec. Et surtout n'oubliez pas qu'avant le Canada c'était la Nouvelle-France donc si vous êtes là c'est un peu grâce aux expéditions françaises. Ceci était mon dernier mot.
cocochanel14 2 years ago
No... It's because the ENGLISH colonized what is now the United States and its population grew.
Combine a growing English population in the south with a war-starting french monarchy, and it was inevitable that at some point, the English would migrate North.
You believe in quebec? That's a result of propaganda, but that's a freedom given to you by CANADA.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
Je ne sais malheureusement pas où les trouver, car nous avions abordé le sujet à l'occasion d'un cours de sciences humaines où le thème était la place du Québec dans le Canada...
LoupdesSteps 2 years ago
Des études ont prouvé que l'économie du Québec surviverait et serait comparable à celle des pays scandinaves (Je ne me rappelle plus exactement lequel) qui ont, la meilleure qualité de vie au monde tout en ayant une population semblable à celle du Québec. De toute façon tu ne peux pas imposer ton opinion, plusieurs personnes croient encore et on sait bien que rien n'est irréversible dans un sens comme dans un autre ;) techniquement le Québec n'est pas dans la constitution Canadienne.
cocochanel14 2 years ago
Lorsque l'on cite des études, cocochanel, il faut être en mesure de les trouver et de les montrer.
Il est vrai que le Québec est sur plusieurs points, particulièrement démographiquement et géographiquement semblable aux pays scandinaves mais je ne me rappelle pas d'une étude y faisant la comparaison.
En gros, j'aimerais bien la (les) voir.
Vineon 2 years ago
blah blah blah
Canada will not allow quebec to separate and not get back the money we spent developping it.
The infrastructure around the St Laurence Seaway will be owned by Canada, the hightech/aerospace in Montreal will come back, all the federal jobs will be lost and the lands/buildings will be sold at a profit to us.
That's just what the ROC would DEMAND.
Separatist idiot.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
Wrong, all paid by Québec via its share of federal taxes thus all those Canadian assets should normally be transfered to it after a secession. The same goes for the national debt.
Not understanding this puts into light your ridiculous bias and unability to properly understand the situation.
Vineon 2 years ago
Everything you say you've already said a thousand times and it's been wrong a thousand and one times.
Very simply put, and you can't argue with this because it's a truth, that should quebec separate, the fact that it has been recieving disproportionate federal money will mean it will have to repay those amounts.
The mood of Canada simply would not allow quebec to separate without severe consequences. We're sick of your bullshit and brainwashing.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
"Everything you say you've already said a thousand times and it's been wrong a thousand and one times."
I'll say it again a thousand times more if need be because nobody else but YOU seems to believe otherwise.
Québec paid its due part of all what Canadians have and this fraction belongs to it. It includes the Canadian debt as much as all the Canadian assets.
Vineon 2 years ago
No, you couldn't be more wrong, and with every post you only serve to reinforce just how delusional the separatists are.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
La guerre est loin d'avoir été pedue ou vaine, parce que tant qu'il y aura des personnes pour croire à notre identité y'aura l'espoir que d'autres reconnaissent la valeur du Québec en tant que pays! Et surtout ne dites pas qu'il n'y a pas d'espoir, parce qu'on se bat contre l'assimilation depuis des siècles pour parler français et vivre libre et que selon moi on se débrouille pas mal du tout, malgré notre minorité!
cocochanel14 2 years ago
Every year there are fewer and fewer separatists.
If separatism was a good thing, you've had separatist gvts provincially and most of your federal representatives have been separatist.
So why haven't they separated? It's because they know the minute they do, their economy will TANK. That's the ugly truth, quebec's economy will tank. Canada will demand renumeration for all the development it's poured in, and the money will stop.
No, you've lost.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
Wrong.
First off, the only renumeration Canada will get from it is a part of its debt transfer to Québec. That % of the debt will be the same as the % of all Canadian assets that will ALSO be transfered to Québec.
The sovereignist leaders have held 2 referendums on the unity question. If they believed it would 'tank', they wouldn't have bothered.
Let's hear why you think Québec's economy will 'tank'.
Vineon 2 years ago
YOU AGAIN?
NO, the country will DEMAND it get back every fucking penny from quebec, not to mention the land CANADA paid to develop.
We've covered this ground before, and you're just some ideologically-fucked separatist.
BTW, THAT is why the politicians have the referendums - because you're fucking stupid and they throw you a bone in order to get your votes! They are TERRIFIED of actually winning.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
"YOU AGAIN?
NO, the country will DEMAND it get back every fucking penny from quebec, not to mention the land CANADA paid to develop."
Damn me again. The Québécois will democraticly vote to secede. Those are the same Québécois that have paid federal taxes all their lives that contributed to whatever the federal invested in Québec, they thus owe every inch of it.
Vineon 2 years ago
FINALLY! We AGREE on something!
The quebecois OWE every inch of quebec to CANADA. They don't own any of it. The borders will be reshaped, the transfer of property and funds will proceed, the borders with what quebec will become will be shut.
The country will demand it, and that's why separatist leaders are scared of actually separating. They know as soon as they get their independence, they are fucked.
Deal with it.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
"We've covered this ground before, and you're just some ideologically-fucked separatist. "
That has nothing to do with being ideological and all about common sense. I would actually find very few to disagree with this besides you.
"They are TERRIFIED of actually winning."
If they were, no referendum would have happened, we've had two, with sovereignist leaders heavily campagning in favor. You don't know what you are talking about.
Vineon 2 years ago
Your "common sense" is the common sense of a brain-washed separatist who thinks its acceptable to suspend the civil and human rights of non-francophones.
You don't know what you're talking about because if the separatist leaders wanted to, they could separate because they elect a separatist provincial party and a majority of federal separatist leaders.
Seriously, you really are blind and brainwashed.
PhilipJFry72 2 years ago
Vive la démocratie! Vive la justice! Vive la liberté! Vive l'indépendance!
Vive le Québec libre!!!
GauvinMTL 2 years ago 3
nous vaincrons!!! je suis prêt mettre autre chose en jeu qu'un siège. Nous vaincrons!!!!!
Loukapy 2 years ago
You've already lost the war. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. Your future has been written, and it is in English.
caramelorb 2 years ago
Haha!!! You've fear. Près de 300 ans après la conquête des plaines d'abrahame, la culture française domine sur le téritoire québecois. Qui est assimilé? C'est au peuple d'écrire leur histoire. L'indépendance du Québec est aussi prévisible que la mort. Ont sait pertinament que cela arrivera. nous vaincrons.
Loukapy 2 years ago 2
I was recently at the Plains of Abraham. Then I strolled to a nearby McDonald's for a quick bite, then a nearby Second Cup for a coffee, and then walked by Harvey's to go to a Ben & Jerry's ice cream stand for some dessert. All the while, I heard Michael Jackson songs being played in restaurants and store fronts. Haha!!! Congratulations on your big cultural conquest. It's not Canada that will overwhelm french kweebek-province "culture", it's North America. It's called gobalization pal.
caramelorb 2 years ago
It's called 'globalization'.
You went to places that all had a french only menus behind the counter. You even went to a McDonald's, which serves poutine... no less.
MJ? You'd be surprised, the Québécois culture does not shun other cultures. We'll gladly listen to good music, whoever made it but our local products will still always feel special to us.
Very glad you aknowledge there is no such thing as a Canadian culture and rather make it clear, it is North American culture.
Vineon 2 years ago
McPoutine actually. The great bastion of kweebekwaa culinary culture, alongside maple syrup and Pepsi-May-West. Glad you acknowledge that poutine is what all the fuss is about -- I mean separation from Canada and all. Separatist proclaim their "culture" is in peril, but when challenged, can't really define their "culture" beyong language. Yet separatists have no qualms about banning other languages (let alone shunning them). Globalization will ensure the demise of french in kweebek-province.
caramelorb 2 years ago
You are talking about a broad term and I've answered you on this many times and have seen other people answer you.
You just don't accept the answers because of their ties to the language. Nobody will deny a great deal of Québec's diversity spawned directly from speaking a different language. As soon as that is understood, and when put in a demographic and geographic context, language protectionism makes sense.
Not a single language is banned in Québec.
Vineon 2 years ago
Québec, while at the same time embracing a lot about american culture, holds a huge spot for local products. Be that music, movies, tv shows, theatre, comedy acts, name it.
If it were limited by language only, France shows & movies wouldn't have so much of a hard time to sell here.
Vineon 2 years ago
The Genie Golden Reel award generally goes to a french Québec production. That is even considering the thing roughly won't be shown in the 9 other provinces.
The 15 most watched shows on Québec tv are Québec productions, the 15 most watched shows in the rest of Canada arent.
You have the nerves to doubt its importance because you've heard Michael Jackson touring Québec. Have you seen how many countries had countless people grieve his death??? Cultureless? All of them?
Vineon 2 years ago
*arent Canadian productions
Vineon 2 years ago
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hootchee22 2 years ago
va chier
peppino1961 2 years ago
A chaque fois que je vois Trudeau dire qu'il mettait son siege en jeu.. argh.. montrez le ce video.. montrez qu'il a menti.. qu'il NOUS a menti. qu'il nous a trahi....
Auditornight 2 years ago 2
Alors voici une bonne idée : nommons notre plus gros aéroport en son nom.....
Vineon 2 years ago 2
c'est le gouvernement canadien qui l'a nommée.. des traites de mettre le pire premier ministre qu'on n'a jamais eu en lui donnant le nom de notre aéroport dans notre métropole dans notre pays !" Devenir un pays pour éviter toutes ses aliénation et encannadianisations. Je suis d'accord avec toi. Vive le Québec libre.souverain. Les Québécois doivent être chez eux et pouvoir s'épanouir sur la scène internationale.
hootchee22 2 years ago
Les Chinois lancèrent 2 de leurs divisions (la 190e et la 191e) environ 14,000 hommes, en contre-attaque sans succès. Léo Major faisant preuve de courage et de détermination donna l'exemple et permit à son peloton de résister et de repousser une attaque chinoise venant des 4 directions pendant 3 jours avant d'être remplacés par d'autres troupes canadiennes. Un soldat avait été blessé et Léo Major le descendit de la colline sur ses épaules, il avait eu le dos brisé en Hollande!
saitasser 2 years ago
wow je meur d'envie d'en savoir plus sur se vraie héros Québecois. dire qu'ont s'identifie plus a Maurice Richard qu'a ce mr Léo Major.... j'ai la rage de voir que notres vraie histoire nous est pas enseigné dans les écoles public & privé (gérer par le gouvernement canahien?)
stefall27 2 years ago 2
Léo Major c'est vraiment un héros, une légende et une fierté pour tout les Québécois !!! Au états- Unis, il y aurait eu au moins trois film sur la vie de l'homme impossible à tuer !!!
saitasser 2 years ago
Le colonel demanda à Léo Major s'il pouvait faire quelque chose. Léo Major demanda qu'on lui laisse carte blanche, qu'on lui laisse choisir ses hommes et que chaque homme après cette mission recevrait une bouteille de rhum et une permission. Le colonel accepta et Léo Major partit à la tombée de la nuit avec un peloton qu'il avait lui-même entraîné. Au matin, la colline était aux mains de Léo Major et son équipe.
saitasser 2 years ago
En Corée, les Américains avaient perdu une colline importante (la 355) lors d'une attaque. La 5ieme division Américaine forte d'environ 10,000 hommes, s'étaient repliés en laissant une très importante quantité de matériel derrière eux. Ils tentèrent sans succès de récupérer la colline et finirent par demander l'aide de l'armée canadienne. Le colonel demanda à Léo Major s'il pouvait faire quelque chose.
saitasser 2 years ago
deuxième DCM : lors de la guerre de Corée, l'armée canadienne demanda à Léo Major s'il serait volontaire pour aller en Corée et qu'il serait le millième soldat à s'enrôler pour cette guerre.
saitasser 2 years ago
Il arriva au quartier général des SS, tua 4 soldats et mit les autres en fuite. Il mit le feu au QG de la Gestapo. Au petit matin il se rendit compte que les troupes allemandes avaient fui la ville (ceux qui n'avaient pas été capturés par Léo). Il se mit à cogner à plusieurs portes mais les gens étaient trop effrayés pour sortir.
saitasser 2 years ago
Une dizaine de fois il surprit et captura des groupes de soldats allemands (il les capturait et les dirigeait hors de la ville près des positions du régiment et les remettait aux soldats canadiens français et retournait vers la ville pour continuer sa mission).
saitasser 2 years ago
Il prit la décision de continuer la mission seul. Il entra dans la ville de Zwolle la nuit et il se mit à attaquer les patrouilles allemandes et à courir dans les rues de la ville en lançant des grenades dans les maisons vides afin de faire croire à l'invasion de la ville par les troupes canadiennes. Quatre fois dans la nuit, il dut forcer quelques portes de maison pour pouvoir se reposer et faire le point.
saitasser 2 years ago
Willie Arseneault perdait la vie en traversant une voie de chemin de fer. Les Allemands avaient installé un nid de mitrailleuses en direction du chemin de fer et aussitôt qu'ils entendaient du bruit, ils ouvraient le feu. Willie Arseneault fut atteint de plusieurs balles et mourut dans les bras de son ami Léo Major. Furieux Léo Major décida d'attaquer ceux qui venaient de tuer son ami. Il tua deux soldats allemands et mit en fuite le reste du peloton.
saitasser 2 years ago
Afin de connaître la force de l'ennemi le commandant du régiment demanda deux volontaires (on doit savoir que durant les semaines de mars et avril, 50 soldats canadiens perdaient la vie chaque jour). Léo Major et son meilleur ami, Willie Arseneault, furent immédiatement volontaires.
saitasser 2 years ago
Il s'échappa de l'hôpital lorsqu'il apprit qu'il serait rapatrié en Angleterre. Il s'échappa de l'hôpital et fut reçu par une famille hollandaise (les Slepenbeck). Il habita quelques jours avec eux avant de partir rejoindre son bataillon.
Quelques semaines plus tard, son régiment était à proximité de la ville de Zwolle en Hollande. Cette ville était sous la domination d'une forte résistance allemande.
saitasser 2 years ago
Son histoire continue en 1945 alors qu'il assistait l'aumônier du régiment à récupérer les corps de soldats tués lors d'une bataille de chars d'assaut, son véhicule (un Bren Carrier) passa sur une mine antichar. L'aumônier et le conducteur furent tués alors que Léo Major fut grièvement blessé. Il fut placé derrière un camion, reçut plusieurs doses de morphine et fut conduit dans un hôpital militaire située à environ 100 km à l'intérieur des lignes alliés.
saitasser 2 years ago
Le Général Montgomery devait lui remettre cette décoration, mais Léo Major, qui le jugeait militairement incompétent, la refusa. Il captura à lui seul plus de 150 soldats ennemis lors de la libération de la ville de Zwolle au Pays-Bas.
saitasser 2 years ago
La première journée du jour J il fit la capture d'une unité blindée allemande (un Hanomag Sd.Kfz 251). Il a capturé 93 soldats allemands lors de la bataille de l'Escaut mais a refusé d'être décoré.
saitasser 2 years ago
Pourquoi une légende ? Avec 4 autres soldats du Régiments de La Chaudière il capture la plage de Juno en Normandie (alors que les troupes anglo-canadiennes étaient en train de se faire massacrer par les soldats allemands). Léo Major a perdu un œil peu de temps après le débarquement et a refusé une évacuation médicale.
saitasser 2 years ago
Léo Major, le petit gars de Montréal qui est devenu un franc tireur, un éclaireur et -une légende- avec le régiment de la Chaudière.
saitasser 2 years ago
aucun peuple et aucune nation ne renoncerais à ce qu'ils sont !!!
humanaredumb12 2 years ago
oui le Canada vous encules bien profonds les Québécois le pire c'est que vous vous laissez faire. Comment vous pouvez n'être pas fier de qui vous êtes jusqu'au bout ête vous des laches ou une vrai nation ???
humanaredumb12 2 years ago
Je relance la question et la demande aux fédéralistes qui tremblent devant le risque. Les pires d'entre eux d'ailleurs passé maître dans l'art de s'auto-dénigrer.
Vineon 2 years ago
J en Pleure CRISS on cest faite Niaiser on se fait tjrs Niaiser ou Backstabber
KAMORoadRunner 2 years ago
Je t'aime Lucien :) lol à partir de 8:00 minutes c'est débile ! Quand on voit ça, c'est sûre qu'on a le goût de le faire NOTRE pays.
hootchee22 2 years ago 2