I think I know the answer to your question. Well maybe because Thaksin gave them money to buy all these tents and generaters. The farmers couldnt effort it so it must be thaksin. Everything was set up by Thaksin. Please reply!
@sunglassesgirls845 That's probably true. Although a lot of the red-shirt leaders are rich men too, so I don't think Thaksin was the only one paying for food, equipment, weapons, and signs.
I think there's a big difference between the red-shirt farmers/workers (and what they want) and the red-shirt leaders (and what they want). The farmers want social justice and a more democratic share of Thailand's wealth, but the leaders just want Thaksin back in power at all costs.
@brownhoneyz Sperle2009 wasn't affected in a negative way. I think he was getting 1000 or 2000 a day, better than his 200 baht a day mopping floors...
VERY good point! One that I missed entirely. That certainly adds a new perspective on things. While the reds continue to be brainwashed and fed sugar-coated lies on their beloved VOICE TV channel, it gives me hope that videos and opinions like this might find their way into the minds of those that can comprehend.
Unfortunately, many Reds are fueled by hatred and greed, and this is why they do what they do -- no amount of truth and reason can fix these people.
you know what makes me think about all that? what you think - how much you have to pay a farmer till he stand proude in the first lines of a mob and let shoot himselve ? you know to me the answer "all cause thaksin" is too easy.......sure he invest in this movment NO DOUPT but does this answer now makes thailand better ?
@sperle2009 Look, I hear you saying "It's not just about Thaksin", to which I'd agree.
But what I'd like to hear you say FIRST, is that the reds need to take responsibility for what they did, and that includes Thaksin.
We can address the root of the problem in due time, but just because the reds were "wronged" that doesn't mean they get to run around town burning down other people's shops. No farmer should be proud of that kind of action, ever.
@pudgimelon THEY ARE NOT WRONGED; THERE ARE 2 Class Conditions............ they had their RIGHTS and if noone listen......then even the right to di what they did because NOONE LISTEN THE SCREAMS...........dont point to red.........move your govermant to move on become realy democratic soon ;)
@sperle2009 "Don't point to red?" Are you kidding me? Who should I point at? Mickey Mouse? Doreamon?
No matter how bad their situation is, that doesn't justify them coming into Bangkok and burning down someone else's home or shop. Thousands of people are out of work right now. How will they feed their families and pay their rents? Do you care about THEIR rights?
@dariusolivia That's the problem of over-generalizing and political polarization. Some people think that since the Red's STATED goals are worthy, that somehow excuses ALL of their actions, even when they do terrible things to innocent bystanders.
@brownhoneyz agreed. The red leaders generated a conflict for their own cynical political gain, and the chucked these poor people into the woodchipper just so they could make the army look bad for doing their jobs.
You can't set an angry mob loose on a city and then blame the government for being heavy-handed with them.
8 jurnalist where 7 shoot by army .4 armys died but 3 cause friendly fire....... there was 11 civils (gov. guessing) and the rest was all RED SHIRTS . the data sayes it all.......there was only one terrorist on the street and that was high professional trained and equikt Army Soldiers
@brownhoneyz aha.............so you search for excuses for the military her.............you know how many weigh i give your comment? NOONE since you are the payed worker have to write here............. in case show me any video where i see a red one kill someone........i wonder if you can proof something here :)
@sperle2009 No videos of Reds shooting people because they were shooting the journalists and photographers who tried : P Ok... bad joke, but probably true.
But I'm sure you Reds were very well debriefed on how to take videos of only the other side shooting and not your own.
it was effected ineed.............but i dont saw any terrorists (wikipedia for the word before you use it) - so letz face the problem men there are red farmers lose their lifes.......Gov. say cause 500 bath but i bet even the most stupid get that this is only a funny fairytail (noone die for that less cash) ......... i got terrorised yes but only over a govermant dont listen the needings of red ... they walk everywhere and ask for new vote.. terrorist? yes abisith, write this on your flag
@sperle2009 Yes, it was 2000 baht. Sorry you weren't one of the Reds receiving this amount. Apparently there were many "DOUBLE STANDARDS" that the Reds had in place -- especially when it came to paying out its own people. Some received 500 a day, some 1000, some 2000, oh, your Red Leaders got a couple million baht though... can you say TRIPLE STANDARDS?
Isn't there enough pro-government propaganda in the mainstream press already? Unless they hired a PR agency to work the foreign audience guerilla style.
If you believe the government, they were armed to the teeth. On the other hand, not a single soldier got killed. Read the Nick Nostitz report on New Mandala to get a different perspective.
One parting thought: the reds won the last 3 elections and are still out of power. I find they've been surprisingly peaceful.
@peterdemaeyer Well, when you send people armed with sticks and slingshots up against guys armed with machine guns and APVs, the result is going to be tragically lopsided. That does NOTautomatically mean the people on the losing end of that equation were right in the first place. Stupidity does not equal righteousness.
Red shirts unit has opened the school for them to teach and give information. They dare not to touch Paragon because the palace office have the partnership in here and Paragon's land is belong to monarchy office as well. If they burn here, they'll make Thai people know the truth. Because in fact, they don't want to have monarchy in their new Thailand if they win this rally, they have all these plans, step by step.
the government should have made the red shirt leaders do community service by cleaning up all these mess on the street.. the red shirt just thrashed the place and left... so bad..
@KhaoJaiDee1 I think if you had a better grasp of the English language, you would have understood what I was really saying. Oh well.
I consider myself to be "orange". Which means that, yes, I'm going to actually criticize people for burning down 40+ buildings, terrorizing neighborhoods, and putting thousands of people out of work. Perhaps that makes me "yellow" in your eyes, but it may just be that I'm not as color-blind as you.
@pudgimelon How quickly you forget "Bloody October" and the PAD seizure of Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang airports that caused 210 billion baht in losses and the GDP to slide off the charts. Not to mention the PAD's blockade left some 350,000 visitors stranded and prevented 3.4 million tourists from visiting Thailand. They also put thousands of Thai people out of work as well there Mr. Orange.
@KhaoJaiDee1 Who's forgetting about the airport seizure? This is a video about the red camp and the arson attacks downtown. Just because I don't go into detail about every complex flucuation of Thai politics doesn't mean I'm "forgetting" it or excusing those actions.
Let's focus on THIS action for a few seconds before you go shifting the blame to someone else.
@pudgimelon I do not condone the arsonist actions by some of the rouge Red Shirts. However, you keep going on and on defending Abhisit and the Thai army's aggressions in this video. It was their attacks along with their assassination of Seh Daeng that pushed these people into the "buzz saw" as you put it. Those actions made the military look like the "bad guys". That is color-blind if you ask me.
@KhaoJaiDee1 you talk about the assassination of Seh Daeng as if you know all the fact already, are you one of the investigators? Or are you just making assumptions & accusations based on your own prejudgices?
I'm talking about FACTS. Someone throws a molotov cocktail into CTW, & you immediately point at the Army and blame them. That's as partisan as it gets.
@pudgimelon I have a very firm grasp of the English language with a master's degree in education. I own a school up here in Buriram and I will ensure that my students (children of farmers) spell "verasity" with a "c" versus an "s". If you want to portray yourself as a pseudo intellectual by using certain vocabulary, you really should learn how to spell.
@KhaoJaiDee1 A Master's Degree from Khao San Road is hardly anything to be proud of.
The Reds have a valid bone to pick -- yes, they've been ignored, but by WHO? How has Thaksin helped them IN THE LONG RUN? All that time in office, and what does he have to show for it? Seems that Thaksin only wanted to help the Reds out for as long as he was in power only. Any second less, and it's a no-show.
@KhaoJaiDee1 Will you also ensure your students will be able to make their own choices and formulate their own views and not just go with the guy with the biggest wallet?
i really dont think they are as poor as you think they are man. sure they're poor farmers, but i think they have a small extent of affordability to some of the equipment and fixtures found there.
@ping1219 actually, they are unbelieveably poor people. Which is why I actually sympathize with the Red's desire for a fairer share (I do not, however, agree with their support of Thaksin. Just because he helped them for his own gain, that doesn't make him a great guy). These people live in shacks without running water or electricity. So there is NO WAY they could have funded this protest on their own.
@lnbt1 I'm pretty sure I've got a very good idea about what happened and why, but you're right, it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. So thanks for watching!
Thai gov. call them terrorists.....see the data......90 death all together ...8 jurnalist where 7 shoot by army .4 armys died but 3 cause friendly fire....... there was 11 civils (gov. guessing) and the rest was all RED SHIRTS . the data sayes it all.......there was only one terrorist on the street and that was high professional trained and equikt Army Soldiers kill in order of some army general is close to abisith .... terrorists kill civilans
@sperle2009 Pointing the finger of blame at the army or the government doesn't absolve the Reds of their own actions. It wasn't the army that firebombed Central World or targetted buildings across town for arson and looting. You cannot justify that no matter what the army or government did in response. Period.
@pudgimelon its the army that let explode everything........ALL WA PEACEFULL .. no broken window, no grafitti on CW.........all was good till the day the stupid army move forward to kick them out. the mistake of the govermant is that they not controll the army, its may not abisith but some essentual mistakes in leading this crisis.....till today gov. close the eyes in front of still existing problems
@sperle2009 it's nice to know that no matter how badly people behave themselves, there will always be someone who is willing to justify their actions & point the finger of blame at someone else. I never said that the govt/army are blameless in this situation, but at the merest suggestion that the reds should take SOME responsibility for their own actions, you get upset
Are you really so color-blinded that you think it's OK to burn someone's home/shop just because you're mad at someone else?
@pudgimelon no sir, my GF and me have or had a shop in siam center so, we are somehow directly effected by it even the main income we still crate in europe BUT, i dont point to the farmers now, i try to find out WHY they are on the streets, WHY they do demonstrate i indeed not say that this was good, i loved CW and hate its burned but i dont want be one sided and point to RED now.... there was an biger reasons make the angryness imagin yourselve you ever saw thai´s that angry before?
@sperle2009 well, then you're not looking deep enough or you're only choosing to look at half the problem. The reason people are so angry is because one group of elites stirred them up and set them loose on a different group of elites. What the reds actually want is FAR different from what their leadership wants.
Basically the red leaders said, "Don't look at us!! Get mad at THEM!!" While failing to acknowledge that they are also elites who regularly abuse and misuse the poor.
@sperle2009 They are that angry because they were brainwashed and fed lies from their "leaders". It was an easy thing to do and the government's fault was that it didn't try to counter the lies with better education.
If you weren't so one-sided yourself, you might be able to see this.
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lovelovelove833 1 year ago
I think I know the answer to your question. Well maybe because Thaksin gave them money to buy all these tents and generaters. The farmers couldnt effort it so it must be thaksin. Everything was set up by Thaksin. Please reply!
sunglassesgirls845 1 year ago
@sunglassesgirls845 That's probably true. Although a lot of the red-shirt leaders are rich men too, so I don't think Thaksin was the only one paying for food, equipment, weapons, and signs.
I think there's a big difference between the red-shirt farmers/workers (and what they want) and the red-shirt leaders (and what they want). The farmers want social justice and a more democratic share of Thailand's wealth, but the leaders just want Thaksin back in power at all costs.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
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lovelovelove833 1 year ago
@brownhoneyz Sperle2009 wasn't affected in a negative way. I think he was getting 1000 or 2000 a day, better than his 200 baht a day mopping floors...
theanimaster 1 year ago
VERY good point! One that I missed entirely. That certainly adds a new perspective on things. While the reds continue to be brainwashed and fed sugar-coated lies on their beloved VOICE TV channel, it gives me hope that videos and opinions like this might find their way into the minds of those that can comprehend.
Unfortunately, many Reds are fueled by hatred and greed, and this is why they do what they do -- no amount of truth and reason can fix these people.
theanimaster 1 year ago
@theanimaster I mean... a point I missed entirely, UNTIL NOW. XD
theanimaster 1 year ago
is still there right lol not like central world :L
rawrKRIS 1 year ago
@rawrKRIS yep, paragon is fine. not a scratch on it
pudgimelon 1 year ago
@pudgimelon oh ok good something to look forward to next yr lol
rawrKRIS 1 year ago
@rawrKRIS Yeah, I was a bit worried about my favorite book store, Kinokuniya, but Paragon is OK. In fact, it already re-opened.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
you know what makes me think about all that? what you think - how much you have to pay a farmer till he stand proude in the first lines of a mob and let shoot himselve ? you know to me the answer "all cause thaksin" is too easy.......sure he invest in this movment NO DOUPT but does this answer now makes thailand better ?
sperle2009 1 year ago
@sperle2009 Look, I hear you saying "It's not just about Thaksin", to which I'd agree.
But what I'd like to hear you say FIRST, is that the reds need to take responsibility for what they did, and that includes Thaksin.
We can address the root of the problem in due time, but just because the reds were "wronged" that doesn't mean they get to run around town burning down other people's shops. No farmer should be proud of that kind of action, ever.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
@pudgimelon THEY ARE NOT WRONGED; THERE ARE 2 Class Conditions............ they had their RIGHTS and if noone listen......then even the right to di what they did because NOONE LISTEN THE SCREAMS...........dont point to red.........move your govermant to move on become realy democratic soon ;)
sperle2009 1 year ago
@sperle2009 "Don't point to red?" Are you kidding me? Who should I point at? Mickey Mouse? Doreamon?
No matter how bad their situation is, that doesn't justify them coming into Bangkok and burning down someone else's home or shop. Thousands of people are out of work right now. How will they feed their families and pay their rents? Do you care about THEIR rights?
pudgimelon 1 year ago
@sperle2009 Erm...it was the reds who almost set my house on fire though. What have I ever done to them?
dariusolivia 1 year ago
@dariusolivia That's the problem of over-generalizing and political polarization. Some people think that since the Red's STATED goals are worthy, that somehow excuses ALL of their actions, even when they do terrible things to innocent bystanders.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
@brownhoneyz agreed. The red leaders generated a conflict for their own cynical political gain, and the chucked these poor people into the woodchipper just so they could make the army look bad for doing their jobs.
You can't set an angry mob loose on a city and then blame the government for being heavy-handed with them.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
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8 jurnalist where 7 shoot by army .4 armys died but 3 cause friendly fire....... there was 11 civils (gov. guessing) and the rest was all RED SHIRTS . the data sayes it all.......there was only one terrorist on the street and that was high professional trained and equikt Army Soldiers
sperle2009 1 year ago
@sperle2009 I wouldn't be surprised if it were the reds shooting those journalists. Who can really tell?
theanimaster 1 year ago
@brownhoneyz aha.............so you search for excuses for the military her.............you know how many weigh i give your comment? NOONE since you are the payed worker have to write here............. in case show me any video where i see a red one kill someone........i wonder if you can proof something here :)
sperle2009 1 year ago
@sperle2009 No videos of Reds shooting people because they were shooting the journalists and photographers who tried : P Ok... bad joke, but probably true.
But I'm sure you Reds were very well debriefed on how to take videos of only the other side shooting and not your own.
theanimaster 1 year ago
it was effected ineed.............but i dont saw any terrorists (wikipedia for the word before you use it) - so letz face the problem men there are red farmers lose their lifes.......Gov. say cause 500 bath but i bet even the most stupid get that this is only a funny fairytail (noone die for that less cash) ......... i got terrorised yes but only over a govermant dont listen the needings of red ... they walk everywhere and ask for new vote.. terrorist? yes abisith, write this on your flag
sperle2009 1 year ago
@sperle2009 Yes, it was 2000 baht. Sorry you weren't one of the Reds receiving this amount. Apparently there were many "DOUBLE STANDARDS" that the Reds had in place -- especially when it came to paying out its own people. Some received 500 a day, some 1000, some 2000, oh, your Red Leaders got a couple million baht though... can you say TRIPLE STANDARDS?
theanimaster 1 year ago
@sperle2009 ....and I quote Chris Rock: "YOU ain't SEEIN' shit, coz YOU was DOIN' shit!!"
theanimaster 1 year ago
Isn't there enough pro-government propaganda in the mainstream press already? Unless they hired a PR agency to work the foreign audience guerilla style.
If you believe the government, they were armed to the teeth. On the other hand, not a single soldier got killed. Read the Nick Nostitz report on New Mandala to get a different perspective.
One parting thought: the reds won the last 3 elections and are still out of power. I find they've been surprisingly peaceful.
peterdemaeyer 1 year ago
@peterdemaeyer Well, when you send people armed with sticks and slingshots up against guys armed with machine guns and APVs, the result is going to be tragically lopsided. That does NOTautomatically mean the people on the losing end of that equation were right in the first place. Stupidity does not equal righteousness.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
Red shirts unit has opened the school for them to teach and give information. They dare not to touch Paragon because the palace office have the partnership in here and Paragon's land is belong to monarchy office as well. If they burn here, they'll make Thai people know the truth. Because in fact, they don't want to have monarchy in their new Thailand if they win this rally, they have all these plans, step by step.
johnatbkk 1 year ago
the government should have made the red shirt leaders do community service by cleaning up all these mess on the street.. the red shirt just thrashed the place and left... so bad..
impreza4me 1 year ago
@impreza4me Nope, instead they sent them to a country club to relax. No kidding.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
Why don't you just paint your schools yellow and stop beating around the bush?
KhaoJaiDee1 1 year ago
@KhaoJaiDee1 I think if you had a better grasp of the English language, you would have understood what I was really saying. Oh well.
I consider myself to be "orange". Which means that, yes, I'm going to actually criticize people for burning down 40+ buildings, terrorizing neighborhoods, and putting thousands of people out of work. Perhaps that makes me "yellow" in your eyes, but it may just be that I'm not as color-blind as you.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
@pudgimelon How quickly you forget "Bloody October" and the PAD seizure of Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang airports that caused 210 billion baht in losses and the GDP to slide off the charts. Not to mention the PAD's blockade left some 350,000 visitors stranded and prevented 3.4 million tourists from visiting Thailand. They also put thousands of Thai people out of work as well there Mr. Orange.
KhaoJaiDee1 1 year ago
@KhaoJaiDee1 Who's forgetting about the airport seizure? This is a video about the red camp and the arson attacks downtown. Just because I don't go into detail about every complex flucuation of Thai politics doesn't mean I'm "forgetting" it or excusing those actions.
Let's focus on THIS action for a few seconds before you go shifting the blame to someone else.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
@pudgimelon I do not condone the arsonist actions by some of the rouge Red Shirts. However, you keep going on and on defending Abhisit and the Thai army's aggressions in this video. It was their attacks along with their assassination of Seh Daeng that pushed these people into the "buzz saw" as you put it. Those actions made the military look like the "bad guys". That is color-blind if you ask me.
KhaoJaiDee1 1 year ago
@KhaoJaiDee1 you talk about the assassination of Seh Daeng as if you know all the fact already, are you one of the investigators? Or are you just making assumptions & accusations based on your own prejudgices?
I'm talking about FACTS. Someone throws a molotov cocktail into CTW, & you immediately point at the Army and blame them. That's as partisan as it gets.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
@KhaoJaiDee1 Seh Deang was killed by his master. He didn't do his job, and he knew too much. He was written off. Funny these conspiracy theories eh?
theanimaster 1 year ago
@pudgimelon I have a very firm grasp of the English language with a master's degree in education. I own a school up here in Buriram and I will ensure that my students (children of farmers) spell "verasity" with a "c" versus an "s". If you want to portray yourself as a pseudo intellectual by using certain vocabulary, you really should learn how to spell.
KhaoJaiDee1 1 year ago
@KhaoJaiDee1 aaahhh, a spelling-nazi on the internet, how droll, but you know that correcting a typo is not actually a rebuttal of a valid point
You say I am defending Abhisit & the army in this video, but I never said that, hence my comment that perhaps your English skills need work
pudgimelon 1 year ago
@KhaoJaiDee1 A Master's Degree from Khao San Road is hardly anything to be proud of.
The Reds have a valid bone to pick -- yes, they've been ignored, but by WHO? How has Thaksin helped them IN THE LONG RUN? All that time in office, and what does he have to show for it? Seems that Thaksin only wanted to help the Reds out for as long as he was in power only. Any second less, and it's a no-show.
theanimaster 1 year ago
@KhaoJaiDee1 Will you also ensure your students will be able to make their own choices and formulate their own views and not just go with the guy with the biggest wallet?
theanimaster 1 year ago
i really dont think they are as poor as you think they are man. sure they're poor farmers, but i think they have a small extent of affordability to some of the equipment and fixtures found there.
ping1219 1 year ago
@ping1219 actually, they are unbelieveably poor people. Which is why I actually sympathize with the Red's desire for a fairer share (I do not, however, agree with their support of Thaksin. Just because he helped them for his own gain, that doesn't make him a great guy). These people live in shacks without running water or electricity. So there is NO WAY they could have funded this protest on their own.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
You just don't have a clue about protest! Any how, it is your opinion.
lnbt1 1 year ago
@lnbt1 aha........i was inside there and i live in bangkok now 9 years lol..........i think you dont have arguments :)
sperle2009 1 year ago
@lnbt1 I'm pretty sure I've got a very good idea about what happened and why, but you're right, it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. So thanks for watching!
pudgimelon 1 year ago
Thai gov. call them terrorists.....see the data......90 death all together ...8 jurnalist where 7 shoot by army .4 armys died but 3 cause friendly fire....... there was 11 civils (gov. guessing) and the rest was all RED SHIRTS . the data sayes it all.......there was only one terrorist on the street and that was high professional trained and equikt Army Soldiers kill in order of some army general is close to abisith .... terrorists kill civilans
sperle2009 1 year ago
@sperle2009 Pointing the finger of blame at the army or the government doesn't absolve the Reds of their own actions. It wasn't the army that firebombed Central World or targetted buildings across town for arson and looting. You cannot justify that no matter what the army or government did in response. Period.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
@pudgimelon its the army that let explode everything........ALL WA PEACEFULL .. no broken window, no grafitti on CW.........all was good till the day the stupid army move forward to kick them out. the mistake of the govermant is that they not controll the army, its may not abisith but some essentual mistakes in leading this crisis.....till today gov. close the eyes in front of still existing problems
sperle2009 1 year ago
@sperle2009 it's nice to know that no matter how badly people behave themselves, there will always be someone who is willing to justify their actions & point the finger of blame at someone else. I never said that the govt/army are blameless in this situation, but at the merest suggestion that the reds should take SOME responsibility for their own actions, you get upset
Are you really so color-blinded that you think it's OK to burn someone's home/shop just because you're mad at someone else?
pudgimelon 1 year ago
@pudgimelon no sir, my GF and me have or had a shop in siam center so, we are somehow directly effected by it even the main income we still crate in europe BUT, i dont point to the farmers now, i try to find out WHY they are on the streets, WHY they do demonstrate i indeed not say that this was good, i loved CW and hate its burned but i dont want be one sided and point to RED now.... there was an biger reasons make the angryness imagin yourselve you ever saw thai´s that angry before?
sperle2009 1 year ago
@sperle2009 well, then you're not looking deep enough or you're only choosing to look at half the problem. The reason people are so angry is because one group of elites stirred them up and set them loose on a different group of elites. What the reds actually want is FAR different from what their leadership wants.
Basically the red leaders said, "Don't look at us!! Get mad at THEM!!" While failing to acknowledge that they are also elites who regularly abuse and misuse the poor.
pudgimelon 1 year ago
@sperle2009 They are that angry because they were brainwashed and fed lies from their "leaders". It was an easy thing to do and the government's fault was that it didn't try to counter the lies with better education.
If you weren't so one-sided yourself, you might be able to see this.
theanimaster 1 year ago
@sperle2009 It was the government's fault to let the Reds set up camp in Bangkok in the first place!
theanimaster 1 year ago