@frederico4d They renamed that art eventually to escrima/arnis hundred of years later. But it's actually Southeast Asian art and one of the Asian arts of stick fighting, the other is Silambam from India copied by the Potuguese.
portugal was not always the small cousin of the EU. they brought back so much knowledge from around the world and it became part of their culture. even if this style of combat incorporates foreign elements, it is impressive in its own right. these guys remind us that combat skills are not exclusive to east asia.
Wow this is a great sport. I like the "aggresive" feel to it. The loud noise and the power and agility altogether - excellent! Sadly there is no Jogo Do pau in Germany I suppose...
@dipidulor Wirklich? Das wäre ja 'mal ne Lücke die man füllen könnte! Ich kenne genug Leute, die im Ausland "Jogo-do-Pau" unterrichten könnten! Ich hätte gedacht, dass die portugiesischen Gemeinde im Ausland so etwas anböten, aber wenn nicht, könnt' man's ja nachholen!
Portuguese were the first to colonise india - Vasco Da Gama . The landed on kearal and they colonised places on kerala and northern tamil nadu.They named Madras(now Chennai).constructed the sacred Santhome Basilica Cathedral at 1575.From there they learnt the techniques from the locals and when returning to home they introduced it to the Portuguese.
@bostafffighter History shows that at the time the portuguese where better at close combat, if you read books the 16 century from Portuguese or indiam autours you will find out that the portuguese often defeted indian armies 10 times more numerous and most of the figting was in close combat, so i see no reson for the portuguese to adopt indian techniques.
@galgo1510 Silambam was not found throughout india. It is found chiefly in Tamil Nadu and Kerala. It is not to say even at that time all miltiias used silambam. Only a few like the poligars used it effectively in battles.There was no India at that time only small petty kingdoms(about 560 in number)and excepting a few most never had a professional standing army only militia.Even the few relied on the french and other foreign allies for training their troops.
@bostafffighter Yes, i know that India at the time was not a unified state and most of the fighting of the Portuguese in India was against the turks and the malemuks with the technic assistance of the republic of Venetia and not agaist the kingdoms of India. Becouse Portugal is a small country and at the time had a population of one million people our soldiers had to be very well trained and they mostly conquered costal cities and fortress where their competence in close combat was crucial.
@galgo1510 just out of curiosity.why the portuguese did not conquer whole of India? since they were the first they had the advantage against the dutch, french and british who followed them.
@bostafffighter Becouse of the lack of enough man power, Portugal had just one million people at the time and an impire that included parts of south America, Africa and Asia . At late 18 century and 19 century when the technic advantage of European armies was enough to outbalance the inferior numbers Portugal was no longer a major power in the area and was concentraded in is Brazilian and African colonies.
@bostafffighter History shows that at the time the portuguese where better at close combat, if you read books the 16 century from Portuguese or indian autours you will find out that the portuguese often defeted indian armies 10 times more numerous and most of the figting was in close combat, so i see no reson for the portuguese to adopt indian techniques.
I swear to God that jogo do pau is a copy of silambam.Quarterstaff and with some reservation the french la cane are the original western stick or staff arts. English Quarterstaff is hundred percent without foreign influence.If jogo do pau people have further doubts let them challenge a real silambam master from tamil nadu, malaysia for a unarmoured stick combat.
@bostafffighter I would love to have any kind of proof of that, it would be great to have more research made, since your swearing by itself doesn't work very much as evidence. would also love to see some good silambam fencing videos, I can't find anything very good in terms of fencing.
@frederico4d search "mgr traditional fight""real silambam fight" "indian stick fighting" the first result shows good silambam fencing but although i have to admit that their t choreography fells below yours.please all the three videos before coming to a conclusion.
@bostafffighter nice videos bostafffighter, the styles are not very different, both grab the weapon on one side and hit with the other, but that is pretty much how most weapons of the kind are handled, the parries and strikes are technically different from what we do. I would say, that even if it was influenced 500 years ago from the indians, (i’m not very convinced off), even so, it would have then developed separately.
@frederico4d about your challenge, we don’t do choreography, it is all random freeplay and as always been like that between different schools in the country, there would be no problem if a foreign from any style would try to practice with a jogo do pau group, unless he couldn’t defend himself properly, and that would not be something new.
@frederico4d Ok, but in future if by fortune i am well to do to come portugal, i will do it , demonstrate them it is indeed an tamil silambam. Yes I am overreacting but this silambam i learned with all passion, i know all the moves of it and when seeing some others doing it with a different name i can't help it. No western art has the turning and striking with weapon it is uniquely the esoteric eastern arts do it. The turning of body and striking with weapons definitely not belongs2 portugal
@bostafffighter I don't think there is something so esoteric in turning and striking, it is an essential part of fighting in outnumbered situations, that is the most traditional part of jdp, and the turning and striking you do are quite different from what we do. this kind of things are hard to discuss online, it would be nice to meet you. but be more modest, no one would be afraid of a visit from you and your group, on the contrary.
@frederico4d Also please see all the videos of the youtube user named medicinekarate88, their silambam fight is better choreographed and ignore their making karate noises, silambam practitioners don't shout but those people obviously imitating karate, since they are basically karatekas.
@gs032009 This is definitely not original to Portuguese.This is imported from India(silambam) or Egypt or indonesia(silat). I strongly suspect that this is nothing but silambam.It almost 100% resembles it.
@temmy9@temmy9 A real Long sword can't be used like that as show in this video it is too heavy no technique of original western martial art shows turning the body and striking and that too with one hand it is too difficult and dangerous for the pracitioner silambam uses it often as a stick (even though bamboo sticks are havy they are not as heavy as long sword) is more conveniently used this way.Please See various silambam videos on youtube for instance "original silambam".
Longswords aren't at all heavy. They weight between 2.5 to 3.5 pounds. I don't know anything about Silambam, but 2hand JDP looks alot like longsword fighting. JDP developed in the Rural areas of northern portugal. If it was based on Silambam it would have emerged first in the cosmopolitan cities where foreign influences were greatest.
@101ers77 even worse, in one french western martial arts website they posted the video of silambam practitioners & claimed they are copying jogo do pau such is their arrogance.Truth be told west has no martial arts of its own what they claim as their own are earlier copies from mixing with Asian cultures & the arrival of Hindu Gypsies.This is not an offensive as Western way of Systematic thinking, as opposed to Eastern intuitive, is conducive to developing science but not art like martial arts.
@bostafffighter There was martial arts in iberia, now portugal, even before the romans, the romans were actually defeated often by iberian tribes that were, as reported by roman historians of the time, great at one on one combat. Your statement is completely absurd, you don't make any sense. there is no art whatsoever in European Culture? you are filled with prejudice and ignorance.
@bostafffighter Standing armies have existed in the west for as long as they've existed anywhere and while they may not have had names for their efforts at the time I assure you when people get together to prepare methods, strategies and sequences used to kill a heap of other people it becomes a martial art. The beginning of martial arts can legitimately be traced back to early apes, there's a reason we call groups of simians and primates 'Troops'.
@psychedashell Army logistics and strategy are completely different from martial arts.That's why the Indigenous armies like those of Tippu Sulthan that opposed the British during colonial time were trained by the French.From the times of Greeks till the modern period west has been successful not only due to the technological superiority but also due to drill ,discipline and better army maintenance.But in modern period every one knows everything.
@bostafffighter Swordplay, wrestling and bashing your neighbour on the head with a stick can be considered martial arts. The thing that makes a martial art different from just fighting is remembering how you did it and considering it as a good way of doing it again POSSIBLY teaching it to others. Like I said, monkeys fill those criteria, so there really is no human origin to martial arts. It pre-dates the human species.
@psychedashell No European swordplay has such vast unarmed technique as in Asia.Europe has had sword play wrestling but martial art is the superset of wrestling that contains innumerable techniques in which a human body can move.Martial arts is very related to yoga. To better illustrate boxing is not a martial art it is just a prize fight albeit the bare knuckle boxing being effective in one on one weaponless combat .
@bostafffighter...the technical superiority of European swordsmanship was evident throughout European conquests during the Age Of Discoveries... the Ottoman Turks were outclassed by Portuguese soldiers in numerous battles in the Indian Ocean, during the 16th century...also, Japanese pirates who were trained in the art of the Samurai, were cut to ribbons by Portuguese soldiers on more than one occasion in the Indian Ocean and Pacific...Portugal didn't create a Global Empire by being wussies...
@bostafffighter Yes they do. There are many many many forms of wrestling, and grappling techniques are totally into weapon use. Just look up harnischfechten for an example.
@psychedashell Ofcourse, martial arts,yoga, tai chi has been copied from animals by meditatiing people.But in Europe animals were not copied but hunted down(Caspian tiger!) it all boils down to the cold snow clad harsh climate of the Europe and the tropical forest with abundace of flora and fauna in Asia.The techiniques illustrated in the medieval manuals are borrowed from trade interaction with China and India.If you see in some of the manuals there are bearded Indians with head cover.
@bostafffighter Where the hell did you get that bullshit? The Europeans learned their weapon arts the same way everyone else did..by fighting and applying what they learned.
Agreed.By the way, the English have quartersfaff watch how it differs from eastern stick figting in that it derives the movement from the elbow unlike silambam wich uses wrist motion.The quarterstaff is huge and wieghtier than silambam , a blow from it would be very difficult to block.
This is exactly a copy of silambam. The portuguese ruled tamil nadu they were the first to rule india.If you doubt it try to find the evidence of jogo do pau beforerthe year 1500 AD which was when vasco da gama set his foot on india.There is hardly an historic evidence regarding this art before 17th century at most.
@bostafffighter that's certainly possible, but keep in mind that there was also a a stick fighting form in many other regions, Egypt is a good example. I believe that the style itself came from Africa instead of India since the Canary Islands called Juego del Palo. However, several countries n Europe have had long centuries use of pole-arms and spears used in combat, I can imagine this art developing from small feuds at home during peace item for none lethal goals, like German shield duels.
Cool! I didn't even know that a Portuguese stickfighting art even existed. Were those fights in the video choreographed? It didn't look like they were. If they were not I have to say that it's better than most of the kendo matches I've seen.
Portuguese have been long staff world champions due to this secular art! Techniques from standing, sitting and lying down, against 1 and multiple atackers! The art's fundament is centuries of thieves jumping on a sole person with no other weapon other than his long staff which helped him to gather cattle and on long journeys. Very nearly went into extinction! Re-appearing now. Not bad, hem?
I love it. I study western longsword and I can definitely see the similarities. I would imagine Jogo Do Pau as stickfighting art evolved out of western longsword.
@acho93 Portuguese Stick fighting was born hundreds of years ago, amongst shepards and peasents, because in those days, only the noble were alowed to own weapons (before fire weapons were developed). Obviously, nowadays it wouldnt be very efective against a gun... but in a fight betewen a stick fighter and a guy with a knife, i would bet my money on the guy with this stick...
@acho93 Obviously you don't know a think about Luta do Pau .IT is the most efective and letal technic with a stick (long or short) in the world , and it is Portuguese .In fact , in 2000 there was a international meeting and contest with all hte stick technics in the world , and Luta do pau won all combats .
Great Masters practice it in Portugal since long and only two stick fighters , could put an angry and violent crowd running way . There's a lot of news about popular fightings like those in Portugal with a lot (in fact you coulfd have 50 , 60 even 100 men trying to destroy to the stick fighters) of blood and broken bones , only with
I practice AIKIDO, but i would love to practice Portuguse Stickfighting too.
My grandfather knew people who practiced it for the money, no armor, he says that times were difficult and only the best fighters went into combat, because the weak would probably lose at the first battle.
Some battles were made upon the edge of a bridge and the loser if he was lucky he just, probably broke a bone, had bad luck, got a bone broken or more, and he fall from the river .
@skraddypoo google for collegium in armis, they are studiyng jogo do pau under Luis Preto (on of the guys in this video) they are at a beginners level but in the lack of a present master it is the best option to learn in Australia. They are located in Brisbane
Unlike Philipino styles like kali, JDP does not incorporate any form of hand slaps, or grappling. The primary purpose was to knock out your opponent, and to stay as far from him as possible. Often, you would be fighting off more than one attackers, and this made distance a key component of this fighting style. Close contact, grappling, wrestling would be suicidal, and therefore, running from attackers and counter attacks is common with JDP, with the aim of always keeping a comfortable distance.
@MrGondomil kali developed in jungles where such long movements would get caught up in tree branches and such things. each art is a product of the environment that demands its evolution.
@MrGondomil ulike jdp, filipino martial arts are more lethal, effective and allows a majority of the people to use it instead of having certain people with muscle. filipino martial arts has more range than jdp does and jdp doesn''t go to cover all ranges compared to eskrima or kali. jdp is more of a certain place than anywhere in the world which makes jdp useless in most places.
@MrGondomil The battle of Mactan (1521) showed Escrima/Arnis fighters scoring victory against JDP practitoners. Besides this is not even a Portuguese martial art, this was just copied from India's Silambam stick fighting.
awesome armour! the single stick portion looks very similar to Filipino arts, amazing! Thanks for sharing. I thought I knew everything about the martial arts: Obviously not!!! Peace.
maybe i dont know enough about kungfu and fighting styles but they seemed very skilled and i would love to see more if i could get some keywords to look up off someone that would be great
Jogo do Pau is a real and old Western martial art, the stuff they show in this video is modernized, though, but that might be good or bad depending on what you want...
But yeah, just put the style's name in Google, I doubt there are any other keywords if you specifically want Jodo do Pau material, and not other kinds of stick fighting.
I LOVE THE ARMOR! Nice demo. Very practical. No fancy moves. I find this art very realistic. Having to wield heavy swords and even broad swords this is the art to use. Excellent.
woooow i've heard of western fencing, kendo, filipino stickfighting, georgian fencing... but now this?! this looks like the most badass of all of them, besides georgian. i like how they have a little shield. but wow this looks so cool.
no this 'looks' cooler. but yeah, i totally agree, this blow exchange seems like it's just a test of who can just hit harder and wear out the opponent.
Let's not confuse a basic strike and parry drill (which is what 0.09 to 0.23 secs looks like) with free-fencing. I understand that in JdP multiple attack combos (with broken rhythm) are used to overcome an opponent when appropriate. Drills such as seen here are used to build foundational technical skills in transitioning from attack to defence to attack again. Most martial arts have drills (or kata) that progress from basic to advanced and free-form and JdP is no different.
I remember my grand father telling me ,when I was a kid ,about the fights that the young men of his day had ,mostly over girls that were being courted by blokes from other villages.The rivalry was based on the fact that those villages had people from different backgrounds,Moors and Christians ,most likely,if not even Celts,who would fight just for the pleasure of the fight it self.40 years or so ago in some areas in the centre of Portugal ocasional fist fights occured when youg bloods met in ma
rkets,train stations etc.According to my G.dad,the best wood for fighting stiks came from the "marmeleiro" fruit tree,and the best fighter was a man called Lucio.
arnis could have possibly be derived from this. like shaolin is to kungfu, jogo do pau is for arnis hehe....but no denying the 'sword and dagger' of arnis come from european swordmanship.
Arnis was not derived from jogo do pau. The ancient Filipino warriors used blade in combat. When the Spaniards occupied the Philippines, they outlawed all weapons. The Filipinos substituted sticks for the swords and Arnis was born. I agree with you on the sword and dagger. The Filipinos adapted some Spanish swordsmanship. When the Filipinos saw something that waw effective, they adapted it and made it their own.
I don't recognize the bogu-like armor worn by the fighters starting at 0:25. Do you have any information that would help me source it? What art/system is it intended for, if any? Thanks in advance.
It is, and I've since learned that it was, for a time, the standard issue training gear at a fight school in Portugal. The person I spoke with said they don't use it anymore, and he didn't know who the manufacturer was. Again, if anybody has that information, I'm very interested in trying to track down a suit.
Wow Asians and Europeans kick ass! Sorry Africa and The Middle East but you guys suck a lot of dick...like wtf is wrong with your intelligence and progress??? It seems that White and Yellow people know what the fuck is going on. Im Korean btw and i admire you white europeans for your fighting styles and technology. Its so interesting. =)
the spanish and portugese did alot of trading with southeast asia. so generally swords were influenced by them. japanese arts became popular in phillipines after war. so thus including jujitsu methods of fighting and disarming
Why would anyone with anything serious to say attack people of other races and, cultures just to make themselves look better? This video doesn't put anything forth to support your ideas either.
neste caso não se estão a tentar matar um ao outro, nesse sentido não é a"sério", mas não é combinado,é jogado, mandas para onde ele tiver mais aberto, se ele conseguir defender, óptimo e continua, ou sai ou faz outra coisa qq(se vires q ele n consegue defender tentas controlar claro..em princípio :p). a velocidade atingida depende da qualidade dos praticantes, só c mt pratica se consegue jogar a máxima velocidade sem ninguém se partir todo, com armaduras claro,n ha esse problema
Eu gostaria de deixar bem claro, que a minha falta de educação com vosso país foi porque nos provocaram primeiro. Eu sou um estudandte das artes marciais e aprecio combates com bastões, como por exeplo canne de combat,eskrima e "jogo do pau". Gostaria de deixar minhas sinceras desculpas a quem se ofendeu. Um abraço.
that was great. i can never see a real stick fight hear . i challenge u!!! .....u could teach me a few things. cause u can never master it until you fight with that style or any style at that. and i can never fined some one who is willing to fight. i really want it as my basic instinct.
Brasileiros e Portugueses não acham que já chega de ódio? Tanto português para lá foi durante tantos séculos e ainda hoje vão, isso devia dar-nos alguma plataforma de comunicação amigável não!? E aos portugueses que ainda não engoliram a queda do império, acordem por favor o Brasil é independente desde 1822, Goa desde 1961 e a muito custo o resto desde 1974. Estamos em 2009 Portugal já não é Angola e Moçambique...
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E ao portugues burro q falou q nós nem sabemos axar eles no mapa, digo a você seu burro q a geografia é uma das materias maims importantes em nosso país, ja não basta vocês terem nos pilhados por muito tempo e agora depreciam nossa inteligência. Se vc quiser conversar educadamente e ebertamente, use palvras da qual eu possa entender.
nice
wanderingapprentice 1 week ago
Awesome armor! It looks like Samurai armor exept for the helmet.
Michel0555 3 weeks ago in playlist Can, Jo, & Other Fighting Sticks
I WANT TO TRAIN !!! WHERE IN AUSTRALIA ???
GoxtA 1 month ago
Putz muito mas muito legal mesmo!!! qual e o parentesco do jogo do pau com o Kali Silat?!
fabiomeneguinisp 2 months ago
Escrima/Arnis kills Jogo Do Pau. Did you know that Lapu Lapu killed the Portuguese Magellan using Arnis de Mano?
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frederico4d 2 months ago
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@frederico4d They renamed that art eventually to escrima/arnis hundred of years later. But it's actually Southeast Asian art and one of the Asian arts of stick fighting, the other is Silambam from India copied by the Potuguese.
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abusabaya1925 2 months ago
where can I get the safety equipment they wear?
Bammx2 3 months ago
if only those assholes would add this as a sport..
I would be a star already.
SpicyHam 4 months ago
I hope this is a routine because they're slow.
TeMpi 5 months ago
lmao, 0:37 was the best
Erilis666 6 months ago
Good brutal fight!
Please tell more about your armor. Who manufactures it and how can i get one?
Schildschmied 6 months ago
@Schildschmied if you still interested pm me I can give you contacts.
frederico4d 2 months ago
portugal was not always the small cousin of the EU. they brought back so much knowledge from around the world and it became part of their culture. even if this style of combat incorporates foreign elements, it is impressive in its own right. these guys remind us that combat skills are not exclusive to east asia.
rothkoaintdead 6 months ago
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rothkoaintdead 6 months ago
Onde eu posso praticar Jogo do Pau no Porto??
Popotao 7 months ago
love the padding you guys wear. Where did you get this from ?
winstons01 7 months ago
@winstons01 You can buy that in any japanese store! The padding isn't european, it's japanese!
Rotebuehl1 3 months ago
Where would I get the Armor?
KodieDaBear 7 months ago
Freaking faggots trying to speak smoothly... -_-
gokharol 7 months ago
Wow this is a great sport. I like the "aggresive" feel to it. The loud noise and the power and agility altogether - excellent! Sadly there is no Jogo Do pau in Germany I suppose...
dipidulor 8 months ago
@dipidulor Wirklich? Das wäre ja 'mal ne Lücke die man füllen könnte! Ich kenne genug Leute, die im Ausland "Jogo-do-Pau" unterrichten könnten! Ich hätte gedacht, dass die portugiesischen Gemeinde im Ausland so etwas anböten, aber wenn nicht, könnt' man's ja nachholen!
Rotebuehl1 3 months ago
Portuguese were the first to colonise india - Vasco Da Gama . The landed on kearal and they colonised places on kerala and northern tamil nadu.They named Madras(now Chennai).constructed the sacred Santhome Basilica Cathedral at 1575.From there they learnt the techniques from the locals and when returning to home they introduced it to the Portuguese.
bostafffighter 9 months ago
@bostafffighter History shows that at the time the portuguese where better at close combat, if you read books the 16 century from Portuguese or indiam autours you will find out that the portuguese often defeted indian armies 10 times more numerous and most of the figting was in close combat, so i see no reson for the portuguese to adopt indian techniques.
galgo1510 9 months ago
@galgo1510 Silambam was not found throughout india. It is found chiefly in Tamil Nadu and Kerala. It is not to say even at that time all miltiias used silambam. Only a few like the poligars used it effectively in battles.There was no India at that time only small petty kingdoms(about 560 in number)and excepting a few most never had a professional standing army only militia.Even the few relied on the french and other foreign allies for training their troops.
bostafffighter 9 months ago
@bostafffighter Yes, i know that India at the time was not a unified state and most of the fighting of the Portuguese in India was against the turks and the malemuks with the technic assistance of the republic of Venetia and not agaist the kingdoms of India. Becouse Portugal is a small country and at the time had a population of one million people our soldiers had to be very well trained and they mostly conquered costal cities and fortress where their competence in close combat was crucial.
galgo1510 9 months ago
@galgo1510 just out of curiosity.why the portuguese did not conquer whole of India? since they were the first they had the advantage against the dutch, french and british who followed them.
bostafffighter 9 months ago
@bostafffighter Becouse of the lack of enough man power, Portugal had just one million people at the time and an impire that included parts of south America, Africa and Asia . At late 18 century and 19 century when the technic advantage of European armies was enough to outbalance the inferior numbers Portugal was no longer a major power in the area and was concentraded in is Brazilian and African colonies.
galgo1510 9 months ago
@bostafffighter Please see the ( Great Portuguese military victories part-3 ) video.
galgo1510 9 months ago
@bostafffighter History shows that at the time the portuguese where better at close combat, if you read books the 16 century from Portuguese or indian autours you will find out that the portuguese often defeted indian armies 10 times more numerous and most of the figting was in close combat, so i see no reson for the portuguese to adopt indian techniques.
galgo1510 9 months ago
I swear to God that jogo do pau is a copy of silambam.Quarterstaff and with some reservation the french la cane are the original western stick or staff arts. English Quarterstaff is hundred percent without foreign influence.If jogo do pau people have further doubts let them challenge a real silambam master from tamil nadu, malaysia for a unarmoured stick combat.
bostafffighter 9 months ago
@bostafffighter I would love to have any kind of proof of that, it would be great to have more research made, since your swearing by itself doesn't work very much as evidence. would also love to see some good silambam fencing videos, I can't find anything very good in terms of fencing.
frederico4d 8 months ago
@frederico4d search "mgr traditional fight""real silambam fight" "indian stick fighting" the first result shows good silambam fencing but although i have to admit that their t choreography fells below yours.please all the three videos before coming to a conclusion.
bostafffighter 8 months ago
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frederico4d 8 months ago
@bostafffighter nice videos bostafffighter, the styles are not very different, both grab the weapon on one side and hit with the other, but that is pretty much how most weapons of the kind are handled, the parries and strikes are technically different from what we do. I would say, that even if it was influenced 500 years ago from the indians, (i’m not very convinced off), even so, it would have then developed separately.
frederico4d 8 months ago
@frederico4d about your challenge, we don’t do choreography, it is all random freeplay and as always been like that between different schools in the country, there would be no problem if a foreign from any style would try to practice with a jogo do pau group, unless he couldn’t defend himself properly, and that would not be something new.
frederico4d 8 months ago
@frederico4d Ok, but in future if by fortune i am well to do to come portugal, i will do it , demonstrate them it is indeed an tamil silambam. Yes I am overreacting but this silambam i learned with all passion, i know all the moves of it and when seeing some others doing it with a different name i can't help it. No western art has the turning and striking with weapon it is uniquely the esoteric eastern arts do it. The turning of body and striking with weapons definitely not belongs2 portugal
bostafffighter 8 months ago
@bostafffighter I don't think there is something so esoteric in turning and striking, it is an essential part of fighting in outnumbered situations, that is the most traditional part of jdp, and the turning and striking you do are quite different from what we do. this kind of things are hard to discuss online, it would be nice to meet you. but be more modest, no one would be afraid of a visit from you and your group, on the contrary.
frederico4d 8 months ago
@frederico4d Are jogo do pau people can fight without armour and most importantly wrist protection?
bostafffighter 8 months ago
@bostafffighter that is how we do it, yes, you are most welcome!
frederico4d 8 months ago
@frederico4d Also please see all the videos of the youtube user named medicinekarate88, their silambam fight is better choreographed and ignore their making karate noises, silambam practitioners don't shout but those people obviously imitating karate, since they are basically karatekas.
bostafffighter 8 months ago
Love the armor!!!!
tganzrussell 9 months ago
Portuguese Staff Combat. Better than Stick. Stick is not exactly staff.
gs032009 10 months ago
@gs032009 This is definitely not original to Portuguese.This is imported from India(silambam) or Egypt or indonesia(silat). I strongly suspect that this is nothing but silambam.It almost 100% resembles it.
bostafffighter 10 months ago
@bostafffighter
It looks exactly like western longsword fighting, which is ultimately what JDP ultimately descends from
temmy9 9 months ago
@temmy9 @temmy9 A real Long sword can't be used like that as show in this video it is too heavy no technique of original western martial art shows turning the body and striking and that too with one hand it is too difficult and dangerous for the pracitioner silambam uses it often as a stick (even though bamboo sticks are havy they are not as heavy as long sword) is more conveniently used this way.Please See various silambam videos on youtube for instance "original silambam".
bostafffighter 9 months ago
@bostafffighter
Longswords aren't at all heavy. They weight between 2.5 to 3.5 pounds. I don't know anything about Silambam, but 2hand JDP looks alot like longsword fighting. JDP developed in the Rural areas of northern portugal. If it was based on Silambam it would have emerged first in the cosmopolitan cities where foreign influences were greatest.
temmy9 9 months ago
@bostafffighter Portuguese copying Asian art then renaming and claiming them. ROFL!
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@101ers77 even worse, in one french western martial arts website they posted the video of silambam practitioners & claimed they are copying jogo do pau such is their arrogance.Truth be told west has no martial arts of its own what they claim as their own are earlier copies from mixing with Asian cultures & the arrival of Hindu Gypsies.This is not an offensive as Western way of Systematic thinking, as opposed to Eastern intuitive, is conducive to developing science but not art like martial arts.
bostafffighter 2 months ago
@bostafffighter There was martial arts in iberia, now portugal, even before the romans, the romans were actually defeated often by iberian tribes that were, as reported by roman historians of the time, great at one on one combat. Your statement is completely absurd, you don't make any sense. there is no art whatsoever in European Culture? you are filled with prejudice and ignorance.
frederico4d 2 months ago 2
@frederico4d Actualy, romans only conquered Lusitania because they assassinated our chieftain. Not because they won a battle.
Temos tanto de nos orgulhar do nosso povo ( :
bdrferreira 2 months ago 3
@bostafffighter Standing armies have existed in the west for as long as they've existed anywhere and while they may not have had names for their efforts at the time I assure you when people get together to prepare methods, strategies and sequences used to kill a heap of other people it becomes a martial art. The beginning of martial arts can legitimately be traced back to early apes, there's a reason we call groups of simians and primates 'Troops'.
So Africa is Martial Homeland.
psychedashell 2 months ago
@psychedashell Army logistics and strategy are completely different from martial arts.That's why the Indigenous armies like those of Tippu Sulthan that opposed the British during colonial time were trained by the French.From the times of Greeks till the modern period west has been successful not only due to the technological superiority but also due to drill ,discipline and better army maintenance.But in modern period every one knows everything.
bostafffighter 1 month ago
@bostafffighter Swordplay, wrestling and bashing your neighbour on the head with a stick can be considered martial arts. The thing that makes a martial art different from just fighting is remembering how you did it and considering it as a good way of doing it again POSSIBLY teaching it to others. Like I said, monkeys fill those criteria, so there really is no human origin to martial arts. It pre-dates the human species.
psychedashell 1 month ago
@psychedashell No European swordplay has such vast unarmed technique as in Asia.Europe has had sword play wrestling but martial art is the superset of wrestling that contains innumerable techniques in which a human body can move.Martial arts is very related to yoga. To better illustrate boxing is not a martial art it is just a prize fight albeit the bare knuckle boxing being effective in one on one weaponless combat .
bostafffighter 1 month ago
@bostafffighter...the technical superiority of European swordsmanship was evident throughout European conquests during the Age Of Discoveries... the Ottoman Turks were outclassed by Portuguese soldiers in numerous battles in the Indian Ocean, during the 16th century...also, Japanese pirates who were trained in the art of the Samurai, were cut to ribbons by Portuguese soldiers on more than one occasion in the Indian Ocean and Pacific...Portugal didn't create a Global Empire by being wussies...
conni70 2 weeks ago
@bostafffighter Yes they do. There are many many many forms of wrestling, and grappling techniques are totally into weapon use. Just look up harnischfechten for an example.
And boxers kick ass in weaponless combat.
temmy9 2 weeks ago
@psychedashell Ofcourse, martial arts,yoga, tai chi has been copied from animals by meditatiing people.But in Europe animals were not copied but hunted down(Caspian tiger!) it all boils down to the cold snow clad harsh climate of the Europe and the tropical forest with abundace of flora and fauna in Asia.The techiniques illustrated in the medieval manuals are borrowed from trade interaction with China and India.If you see in some of the manuals there are bearded Indians with head cover.
bostafffighter 1 month ago
@bostafffighter Where the hell did you get that bullshit? The Europeans learned their weapon arts the same way everyone else did..by fighting and applying what they learned.
temmy9 2 weeks ago
@101ers77...last i checked, the Tras -Os-Montes region in North Eastern Portugal were Jogo Do Pau originated, isn't in Asia....but nice try, pal...!
conni70 2 weeks ago
Agreed.By the way, the English have quartersfaff watch how it differs from eastern stick figting in that it derives the movement from the elbow unlike silambam wich uses wrist motion.The quarterstaff is huge and wieghtier than silambam , a blow from it would be very difficult to block.
bostafffighter 10 months ago
This is exactly a copy of silambam. The portuguese ruled tamil nadu they were the first to rule india.If you doubt it try to find the evidence of jogo do pau beforerthe year 1500 AD which was when vasco da gama set his foot on india.There is hardly an historic evidence regarding this art before 17th century at most.
bostafffighter 10 months ago
@bostafffighter that's certainly possible, but keep in mind that there was also a a stick fighting form in many other regions, Egypt is a good example. I believe that the style itself came from Africa instead of India since the Canary Islands called Juego del Palo. However, several countries n Europe have had long centuries use of pole-arms and spears used in combat, I can imagine this art developing from small feuds at home during peace item for none lethal goals, like German shield duels.
vguyver2 10 months ago
lol that looks like ancient chinese armour
theaviribidityofwtr 10 months ago
perfect style of fight for hewing spear
Nebelung13 10 months ago
GOOD
mihailime 11 months ago
where did you get that armor?
100dakine 11 months ago
Nice fighting style!
Nightmonkey17 1 year ago
What make is that armor?? It looks awesome!
HalfLifeAMD 1 year ago
great video . luv to see stick fighting being kept alive . i do Irish stick fighting myself so i can see the resemblance in the two arts .
vikingproducts 1 year ago
Cool! I didn't even know that a Portuguese stickfighting art even existed. Were those fights in the video choreographed? It didn't look like they were. If they were not I have to say that it's better than most of the kendo matches I've seen.
gungnir2357 1 year ago
@gungnir2357 they're not trying to kill each other. just practice i think...don't think its choreographed.
ipedros7 11 months ago
that was super awesome
fodakahn 1 year ago
Looks full-on. Good stuff!
Kyuudousha 1 year ago
Portuguese have been long staff world champions due to this secular art! Techniques from standing, sitting and lying down, against 1 and multiple atackers! The art's fundament is centuries of thieves jumping on a sole person with no other weapon other than his long staff which helped him to gather cattle and on long journeys. Very nearly went into extinction! Re-appearing now. Not bad, hem?
ipedros7 1 year ago
@ipedros7 Great to see some traditional European fighting arts still surviving.
Kyuudousha 1 year ago
what was that armor can somebody send me a link?
vx3proteus 1 year ago
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dangel6667 1 year ago
isto deve de ser uma das poucas coisas em que gosto de dizer que sou Portugues!
PS: Awesome!! =D
Silveriolol 1 year ago 8
@Silveriolol Bem, sou brasileiro e acho que vocês têm muito do que gostar em Portugal.
frammeproducoes 6 months ago
I love it. I study western longsword and I can definitely see the similarities. I would imagine Jogo Do Pau as stickfighting art evolved out of western longsword.
temmy9 1 year ago
guess this is useful for Portugal, considering they cant afford guns
danegilbert 1 year ago
@danegilbert We could afford you're mother, we can afford some guns... asshole
Oimae 1 year ago
Tiro meu chapéu para saudar Portugal!!!!!!!!
regisaugusto1 1 year ago
Portugal Não está esquecido =PP
FORÇA!!!!!!
caspromVX 1 year ago
FORÇA PORTUGAL!
haliloa 1 year ago
i like the armor, i wanna have a pair....
punongbayan4492 1 year ago
Imagine what you could do with an extendable baton with these skills!
Please start a Jogo do Pau school in Texas!
Nightmonkey17 1 year ago
incrível
TedBoyRomarino 1 year ago
damn this has got to be some of the most exiting sword fighting I've ever seen! none of this "maybe I'll wait" bullshit.
myshoescramp 1 year ago
this is fun, i had it in a p.e. class last year, along with sword fighting and archerey:)
kelseyisreptar 1 year ago
This is how you would fight with lightsabers if lightsabers existed.
rht808 1 year ago
how are you guys supposed to fight off robbers with a piece of damn wood floor?
p.s: do u guys think cristiano ronaldo stick fights? "Peek Uhp, Your Wepone!!"
acho93 1 year ago
@acho93 Portuguese Stick fighting was born hundreds of years ago, amongst shepards and peasents, because in those days, only the noble were alowed to own weapons (before fire weapons were developed). Obviously, nowadays it wouldnt be very efective against a gun... but in a fight betewen a stick fighter and a guy with a knife, i would bet my money on the guy with this stick...
andregeo13 1 year ago
@acho93 What about Extendable baton?
GilleanFreire 1 year ago
@acho93 Obviously you don't know a think about Luta do Pau .IT is the most efective and letal technic with a stick (long or short) in the world , and it is Portuguese .In fact , in 2000 there was a international meeting and contest with all hte stick technics in the world , and Luta do pau won all combats .
Anglosaxoesdatreta 1 year ago
@acho93 (cont) V
Great Masters practice it in Portugal since long and only two stick fighters , could put an angry and violent crowd running way . There's a lot of news about popular fightings like those in Portugal with a lot (in fact you coulfd have 50 , 60 even 100 men trying to destroy to the stick fighters) of blood and broken bones , only with
2 men with sticks .
Anglosaxoesdatreta 1 year ago
nice
MayaAsakura 1 year ago
I'm portuguese...
eduardodc3 1 year ago
I practice AIKIDO, but i would love to practice Portuguse Stickfighting too.
My grandfather knew people who practiced it for the money, no armor, he says that times were difficult and only the best fighters went into combat, because the weak would probably lose at the first battle.
Some battles were made upon the edge of a bridge and the loser if he was lucky he just, probably broke a bone, had bad luck, got a bone broken or more, and he fall from the river .
I think the sport has changed since
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eduardodc3 1 year ago
1 05 pure orgasmic awesomeness
lopytube 1 year ago
paulada!!! aha I'm Portuguese but had never heard of this martial art, i'll definately look it up.
DVAFP 1 year ago
men ari!
tortelli 1 year ago
This would be so awesome for use with the goedendag.
halfassedfart 1 year ago
Muito bom, sou portugues e desconhecia isto
MrPIROCAS 1 year ago
Wow! Great stuff! The true art of fighting with the quarterstaff!
kozushi 1 year ago
was the part from :35-:39 a real battle? cause that was some perfect timing
soadas 1 year ago
man that armour looks so fuckin awsome.
KaysianRainWatUp 1 year ago
From which sport did they borrow those asian-like protections, and/or where can you get them?
duran3d 1 year ago
@duran3d that was produced from a company that developed hockey equipment.
They are no longer in development, there is new equipment in use now.
frederico4d 1 year ago
MAN, I wish they taught this in Australia :(
skraddypoo 1 year ago
@skraddypoo google for collegium in armis, they are studiyng jogo do pau under Luis Preto (on of the guys in this video) they are at a beginners level but in the lack of a present master it is the best option to learn in Australia. They are located in Brisbane
frederico4d 1 year ago
Unlike Philipino styles like kali, JDP does not incorporate any form of hand slaps, or grappling. The primary purpose was to knock out your opponent, and to stay as far from him as possible. Often, you would be fighting off more than one attackers, and this made distance a key component of this fighting style. Close contact, grappling, wrestling would be suicidal, and therefore, running from attackers and counter attacks is common with JDP, with the aim of always keeping a comfortable distance.
MrGondomil 2 years ago 10
@MrGondomil wow that's really cool. I like that there is a martial art that tells you to run.
soadas 1 year ago
@MrGondomil kali developed in jungles where such long movements would get caught up in tree branches and such things. each art is a product of the environment that demands its evolution.
MrCarloArellano 6 months ago 4
@MrGondomil ulike jdp, filipino martial arts are more lethal, effective and allows a majority of the people to use it instead of having certain people with muscle. filipino martial arts has more range than jdp does and jdp doesn''t go to cover all ranges compared to eskrima or kali. jdp is more of a certain place than anywhere in the world which makes jdp useless in most places.
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@MrGondomil The battle of Mactan (1521) showed Escrima/Arnis fighters scoring victory against JDP practitoners. Besides this is not even a Portuguese martial art, this was just copied from India's Silambam stick fighting.
abusabaya1925 2 months ago
@abusabaya1925 JDP didn't exist during the battle of mactan....
temmy9 2 weeks ago
i like the technique
phoeniximperator 2 years ago 2
awesome armour! the single stick portion looks very similar to Filipino arts, amazing! Thanks for sharing. I thought I knew everything about the martial arts: Obviously not!!! Peace.
sbrosales 2 years ago
wow look at the crazy looking Bogu !
DEKA1 2 years ago
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frederico4d 2 years ago
Just ignore my comments, sorry.
Lee94503 2 years ago
Portugal's only martial art!
Learn it and love it!
Im'm portuguese, by the way...
jackdanteband 2 years ago
Sweet. Check here the venezuelan martial art called "El juego del garrote venezolano", similar to this. both are awesome arts. :3
VegaEtereo 2 years ago
0:29 - Head shot! hehe
viniciusvideobox 2 years ago
people i know hands on on how to do this
its actually really fun but also very tiring with all of the armor
heck just the other day i gave my friend 2 head shots during combat (ps quarter staff is also another type of stick fighting)
1234daisybaby 2 years ago
total head shot
reebokgoalie88 2 years ago
maybe i dont know enough about kungfu and fighting styles but they seemed very skilled and i would love to see more if i could get some keywords to look up off someone that would be great
steveo9001 2 years ago 4
Jogo do Pau is a real and old Western martial art, the stuff they show in this video is modernized, though, but that might be good or bad depending on what you want...
But yeah, just put the style's name in Google, I doubt there are any other keywords if you specifically want Jodo do Pau material, and not other kinds of stick fighting.
The100thAttempt 2 years ago
thanks a bunch man
steveo9001 2 years ago
This looks awesome :) I really love the armor they wear :D
IrisWatcher 2 years ago
Great way to smash someone's skull!
Fuchizaa 2 years ago 2
hurt to get one of those at ya hand
Noahwig 2 years ago
I LOVE THE ARMOR! Nice demo. Very practical. No fancy moves. I find this art very realistic. Having to wield heavy swords and even broad swords this is the art to use. Excellent.
coolwaterdvr 2 years ago 26
woooow i've heard of western fencing, kendo, filipino stickfighting, georgian fencing... but now this?! this looks like the most badass of all of them, besides georgian. i like how they have a little shield. but wow this looks so cool.
welcomegohome 2 years ago 20
Kalis Illustrisimo is better looking. This is two parry/counter parry really. Real fighting shouldn't be so blow exchange based.
NoelShrike 2 years ago 2
no this 'looks' cooler. but yeah, i totally agree, this blow exchange seems like it's just a test of who can just hit harder and wear out the opponent.
welcomegohome 2 years ago
Let's not confuse a basic strike and parry drill (which is what 0.09 to 0.23 secs looks like) with free-fencing. I understand that in JdP multiple attack combos (with broken rhythm) are used to overcome an opponent when appropriate. Drills such as seen here are used to build foundational technical skills in transitioning from attack to defence to attack again. Most martial arts have drills (or kata) that progress from basic to advanced and free-form and JdP is no different.
CollegiumInArmis 2 years ago 3
Is this just portuguese kendo?
YoureGoinOverboard 2 years ago
Nope, it's a Portuguese martial art using sticks.
Gmmof 2 years ago 7
I remember my grand father telling me ,when I was a kid ,about the fights that the young men of his day had ,mostly over girls that were being courted by blokes from other villages.The rivalry was based on the fact that those villages had people from different backgrounds,Moors and Christians ,most likely,if not even Celts,who would fight just for the pleasure of the fight it self.40 years or so ago in some areas in the centre of Portugal ocasional fist fights occured when youg bloods met in ma
tugadmundo 2 years ago
rkets,train stations etc.According to my G.dad,the best wood for fighting stiks came from the "marmeleiro" fruit tree,and the best fighter was a man called Lucio.
tugadmundo 2 years ago
uma paulada dessa na cabeça de um maluco, faz um tremendo estrago
wtaguia 2 years ago
im Portuguese,very cool
PlayerSpartan55 2 years ago 2
arnis could have possibly be derived from this. like shaolin is to kungfu, jogo do pau is for arnis hehe....but no denying the 'sword and dagger' of arnis come from european swordmanship.
YodaTheName 2 years ago
this kind of comments doesn't make any sense, this, or the other way around. Please, stop it, everyone:\
frederico4d 2 years ago
Arnis was not derived from jogo do pau. The ancient Filipino warriors used blade in combat. When the Spaniards occupied the Philippines, they outlawed all weapons. The Filipinos substituted sticks for the swords and Arnis was born. I agree with you on the sword and dagger. The Filipinos adapted some Spanish swordsmanship. When the Filipinos saw something that waw effective, they adapted it and made it their own.
Tawalisi 2 years ago
I don't recognize the bogu-like armor worn by the fighters starting at 0:25. Do you have any information that would help me source it? What art/system is it intended for, if any? Thanks in advance.
PDXOutsider 2 years ago
That is some awesome armor isn't it?
Makusa423 2 years ago 4
It is, and I've since learned that it was, for a time, the standard issue training gear at a fight school in Portugal. The person I spoke with said they don't use it anymore, and he didn't know who the manufacturer was. Again, if anybody has that information, I'm very interested in trying to track down a suit.
PDXOutsider 2 years ago
Das ist einer der wenigen guten Europäischen Kampfsportarten TOP!
V3nomLusitano 2 years ago
Sweeet!
Zovex11 2 years ago
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Wow Asians and Europeans kick ass! Sorry Africa and The Middle East but you guys suck a lot of dick...like wtf is wrong with your intelligence and progress??? It seems that White and Yellow people know what the fuck is going on. Im Korean btw and i admire you white europeans for your fighting styles and technology. Its so interesting. =)
Ivamionwarrior 2 years ago
i am russian, i appreciate both european and asian styles of fighting.
eizehore 2 years ago
it was actually the Portuguese that brought some forms of this art into Asia, such as the art of Kali
mrme1010101 2 years ago 3
Kai existed in Southeast Asia before European contact.
I might believe that it influenced Kendo...
chr15pinoy 2 years ago
the spanish and portugese did alot of trading with southeast asia. so generally swords were influenced by them. japanese arts became popular in phillipines after war. so thus including jujitsu methods of fighting and disarming
YodaTheName 2 years ago
Why would anyone with anything serious to say attack people of other races and, cultures just to make themselves look better? This video doesn't put anything forth to support your ideas either.
MrPotatoesLatkie 2 years ago 3
you are cool
OECV 2 years ago
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eu não acho que os portugueses são bixas , so acho que são complexados , naum aceitam perder pra os brazucas
rogeriopazduarte 2 years ago
e assim que se deve ser
OECV 2 years ago 2
Nice!
where can I get the protective gear?
I could use it for medieval-european martial arts.
Dracoti 2 years ago
Cest superbe !
Jaime se que vous faites !
armaetemporis 3 years ago
Nice... Interesting sword art
superlinkinboy 3 years ago
isto é ensaiado ou a serio?
Is this staged, or is it for real?
Kiddomato 3 years ago
neste caso não se estão a tentar matar um ao outro, nesse sentido não é a"sério", mas não é combinado,é jogado, mandas para onde ele tiver mais aberto, se ele conseguir defender, óptimo e continua, ou sai ou faz outra coisa qq(se vires q ele n consegue defender tentas controlar claro..em princípio :p). a velocidade atingida depende da qualidade dos praticantes, só c mt pratica se consegue jogar a máxima velocidade sem ninguém se partir todo, com armaduras claro,n ha esse problema
frederico4d 3 years ago
Eu gostaria de deixar bem claro, que a minha falta de educação com vosso país foi porque nos provocaram primeiro. Eu sou um estudandte das artes marciais e aprecio combates com bastões, como por exeplo canne de combat,eskrima e "jogo do pau". Gostaria de deixar minhas sinceras desculpas a quem se ofendeu. Um abraço.
pepinogrande 3 years ago 4
that was great. i can never see a real stick fight hear . i challenge u!!! .....u could teach me a few things. cause u can never master it until you fight with that style or any style at that. and i can never fined some one who is willing to fight. i really want it as my basic instinct.
CocoJohnR 3 years ago
Precisamos de nos elevar outra vez e não é a chorar o passado que vamos lá.
Uroboro0 3 years ago
Brasileiros e Portugueses não acham que já chega de ódio? Tanto português para lá foi durante tantos séculos e ainda hoje vão, isso devia dar-nos alguma plataforma de comunicação amigável não!? E aos portugueses que ainda não engoliram a queda do império, acordem por favor o Brasil é independente desde 1822, Goa desde 1961 e a muito custo o resto desde 1974. Estamos em 2009 Portugal já não é Angola e Moçambique...
Uroboro0 3 years ago 2
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E ao portugues burro q falou q nós nem sabemos axar eles no mapa, digo a você seu burro q a geografia é uma das materias maims importantes em nosso país, ja não basta vocês terem nos pilhados por muito tempo e agora depreciam nossa inteligência. Se vc quiser conversar educadamente e ebertamente, use palvras da qual eu possa entender.
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