Sun in Murky Water? : Refuting Christian_Potato!

[kineticshadow]

1. there is a difference in someone claiming to see something and a metaphor so your comparison to the verses in the bible do not hold water. 2. you stated that the sun rises in the west? since when?

3. you state that the stars are smaller than the sun? uhm stars are suns and the sun is the star of our solar system. there are many much bigger than the sun in the universe so that's retarded too.

btw, you might want to learn the difference between then and than. just saying...

[pakmanjonez]

the fact that people even raise this issue shows their own ignorance and stupidity.

this was 1400 yrs ago, but most people had common sense in regard to how hot the sun was. im sure none of them believed that set somewhere on earth

[robinhossain]

Good job.

Christians are grasping at thin air - but they are effective at the art of deception. The bible is so full of terrorism, infanticide, racism, polytheism... that they are desperate to paint the quran in a similar light.

[theproudONE92]

@robinhossain theirs a hadith sorry i cant tell you from exactly where but maybe your familiar with it. Christians have no knowledge and too much action. Jews have knowledge and too little action. Muslims are alanced. it makes sense because you dont see jews making dumb claims like these christians try which obviously have no knowledge. and muslims have it both ways alhamdulillah

[SupportExtantDodo]

Eh?

You are not correcting anything, you have not read the thread!

[SupportExtantDodo]

3:31 RUBBISH!!!

Tafsîr Ibn says

(Till, when he reached the setting place of the sun) where the sun sets, (he found it setting in a muddy spring) a blackened, muddy and stinking spring; it is also said that this means: a hot spring, (and found a people thereabout) these people were disbelievers: (We said: O Dhu'l-Qarnayn!) We inspired him (Either punish) either kill them until they accept to believe that there is no deity except Allah (or show them kindness) or you pardon them and let them be.

[RefutingCP]

Your comment is rubbish

Tafsir ibn Kathir says more then what you say its 4 pages of a book and one line of this pages refutes this whole lie of the sun setting in murky water

'... As for the idea of his reaching the place in the sky where the sun sets, this is something impossible, and the tales told by storytellers that he traveled so far to the west that the sun set behind him are not true at all. Most of these stories come from the myths of the People of the Book....

[SupportExtantDodo]

RefutingCP

Here I'll make it easy for you

Google altafsir

Please tell me what I missed out in the quote I gave for 018.086

I searched the entire Tafsîr for all the phrases you used and all it did was say phrase not found

I stand to be corrected!

[jhertmar19]

note: Falling stars, are they stars? nope metiorites

[jhertmar19]

note: "BY THE WAY where the sun sets" meaning west

[zafthedon]

salaam

great refutation

peace.

[Ausaini17]

Also I mean no disrespect to you your religion or anything, I'm just curious about people how believe in God. I find your comments to be a breath of fresh air for me. I read ( when I can) all religious literature because their are so many similarities in all religion but it interest me that people only focus on the differences and the problem I have. Slightly varying beliefs are the cause of death for millions of people over time. Why can't people just focus on the many similarities?

[Ausaini17]

Look, don't get me wrong, I believe and God and I believe in his power I just don't think people, all people, all religions, have the right Idea of God's nature. We say we know God but no one's met God. Also it makes sense, you can move me from room 1 the room 4 but you can also kick me out the house. SO let's say God moves him from one part to another part and God's kingdom is his "house", he would then have the ability to kick him out of his house

[Ausaini17]

Didn't you just say " Why would God kill a human to show love for mankind? doesnt that contradict the act of love?" ? and the you say "Whats God does is protecting His Servants and Believers by killing those that reject Him and attack the ones who accept Him"? You've established God would not kill anyone to show his love because it contradicts the act of love. So why, now are you saying he kills those who do not believe? As far as I know God Loves everyone.

[Ausaini17]

if God has the ability to kick Satan out of Heaven to Earth, Why wouldn't he have the ability to kick him out he universe? He can do all!Kicking Satan out shows that God can kick Satan out of anywhere he wants but because of his mercy he banished him to Earth( where his children were).

[lnvestigatelslam]

Kick him to where?

Listen let me putt this where

If i tell you i own house with 6 rooms and i kick you from room 1 to room 4 does this mean you are kicked out of the house?

No your still in the house but a different room

same with satan he is kicked out of heaven to earth but not out of Gods Kingdom coz Gods Kingdom is every single sqaure inch of heaven universe moon earth pluto black holes ect ect

its impossible to be outside Gods kingdom coz he OWNS EVERYTHING!!!

[Ausaini17]

Also, I don't hink God can kill anyone, but What about telling someone to kill another? Abraham and Isaac? The 100 year war ( actually lasted 116)? The Crusades? Job? Now? God, may not kill people but he can influence people to kill others. To tell you the truth most of these aren't even God's fault! Most of them were performed by people who were driven by religious hatred and then told themselves they were doing God's work to justify themselves.

[lnvestigatelslam]

God is perfect and doesnt make faults

So its mankinds mistakes in killing

Whats God does is protecting His Servants and Believers by killing those that reject Him and attack the ones who accept Him

Its God who created death and life and its only Him who has the right to take it or give it

But you are rite most humans are driven by hatred and lust for power in killing others and claim its Gods work wich is wrong as God deosnt allow the killing of inocent

[Ausaini17]

God didn't kill Jesus. Jesus was left with the decision of whether or not to do what God has told him. He was told this when he was very young, about 13 yo. If you notice the bible goes from 13 yo to 31 years old, so 18 years are missing. During these 18 years Jesus contemplated whether or not to do it. He chose to. Also,God won't do certain things but he has shown he is capable of doing certain things. kicking some one out of his Kingdom? He did to Satan

[lnvestigatelslam]

Again in his last days he prayed to be saved

Oh father let this cup pass by me and he prayed

So God kicked satan out rite? to where? if God owns the WHOLE THING!!

God is the King Of this unverise! not a musterseed is not under his kingdom

not a ant!

You see satan is never been kicked out of the kingdom he was kicked out of heaven to earth

And earth is also a part of Gods Kingdom

So its impossible to be somwhere wich is not the kingdom of God!

[Ausaini17]

God can do all things, why can't he change his mind?Also from what I know you're right Jesus never says he is a saviour and he comes to die for everyone's sins. He dies be cause God Sacrifices him to to show his love for mankind.Jesus was left with the decision of doing nothing, but he does what God commands and sacrifices himself for the sins of others. Man has called him " Saviour" not him. Christianity is based on being like him. That's why you may hear people say "What would Jesus do?"

[lnvestigatelslam]

God does godly things not human things

Can God kick you out of His Kingdom if he owns everything?

can God lie? Can God sleep? Can God create a other but God is uncreated?

Why would God kill a human to show love for mankind? doesnt that contradict the act of love?

Again Jesus was not left with the decision why? because in the bible Jesus prayed to God to be saved from the cross rite? 3 times

So why didnt God save him if Jesus took the decision of praying the be saved?

[lnvestigatelslam]

Well who do you believe man or jesus?

Christianity is not based on being like Jesus it was untill his departe

The word christianity is a invention not made by Jesus ect

Jesus is a good example and if you examen Jesus you will see the things Muslims do today

Not eating pork praying to God with face down doing deeds fasting calling to One God no drunkeness ect.

So christianity is a religion ABOUT Jesus and not from Jesus thats the difference

[lnvestigatelslam]

God does things that suit God Things that make Him God not monkey tricks! So to say God can do al things is a insult to God The correct way to say this is God can do al things that make Him God God never dies we do God never sleeps we do God is uncreated whe are So there is a difference between the acts of the creation and the acts of God His acts are Godly our acts are human creation acts and not the same as His understand?

[Ausaini17]

What religion doesn't have double standards? any belief system has double standards.And can you please clarify this for me? Do you believe John Because he is a Prophet of God or because the Quran confirms him? I'm just trying to get it right.

[lnvestigatelslam]

I believe in John because he is mentiond as a Prophet in the Quran

I dont believe in the words of paul because paul is not mentiond in the Quran

and paul is proven to be a liar and guy who contradicts him self and the teachings of Jesus

With double standards i mean that christians claim the Quran says sun in murky water

but they never speak about the bible saying the sun sets in the land of the caanite?

Bot are not litteraly but the Quran is and the bible is not according to them

[Ausaini17]

Christianity is based on Jesus' life not based on the belief he is God. It would be rather hard to say someone is their own father wouldn't it. Also, It is possible for God to say he is the Saviour and for his son. It's called the Triune. Also, Can you please give me some links that aren't on that site? I have no problem with the site but site like these are prone to be biased.

[lnvestigatelslam]

Well then you follow a christianity other then the 2.0 billion

Every christian i have spoken to claims that this christianity but you have alot of sects inside christianity so i might be wrong about your beliefs,

well according to my knowledge Jesus never claimed to be the Savior or coming to die as a Savior

I know that the OT calls God the Savior and besides Him there is non

And God doesnt not chance His Mind rite?

[lnvestigatelslam]

The site i gave you is according to many even to the oriantelist and islamic critics one of the best website wich refutes arguments wich evidence from unbiased sources

Its a islamic site but if you read the articles of this scholars you will come to know that 99.9 % of there info is from unbiased sources and other nun Islamic Scholars

And also there is not much about this syraic theory on the net coz most scholars wave this away as a illogic and unhistorical thing

[Ausaini17]

So your saying the Sun which is a star and subject to the same rules as other stars will do something completely different? Instead of Growing and cooling, then violently exploding and leaving a white star it'll just shrink? In order to shrink it'd have to lose enormous amounts of energy in the form of heat and radiation, and as everyone knows hot helium and hydrogen does not shrink, it expands.

[lnvestigatelslam]

Again i really dont care what the sun does my friend

What i showed in my video is the double standards of some of the christians

And also if John said something and it turns out to be truthfull we dont reject that why?

because he is a Prophet of God

to reject him is leaving Islam as we Muslim believe in al the Prophets

But we dont believe in the bible to be completly truthfull as the Quran says

We believe in whats said in the bible and confirmed by the Quran

understand...?

[Ausaini17]

So far you have not proven anything about Jesus or Christianity. All you've done is bring up the same things you and others have said about Christianity. The biggest thing that you said was wrong is Jesus is not a God. No one ever said he was a God, He's God's SON! Second, no one even knew the sun's size until the 1600 and it was only an approx. size. So how would a man 2008 years ago know about something that was discoverd 1600 years after his death. Think!

[lnvestigatelslam]

I dont need to proof anything about christianity

Its the christians that have to proof christianity not me

Well the foundation of christianity is to believe Jesus is God and he is your savior rite?

The problem is God says many times in the OT im the ONLY savior

So for Jesus to be a Savior he must be God

if he is not God then he is not a Savior

Wich means there is no such thing as christianity rite?

And God son is not litteral as the bible is filled with sons of God

[lnvestigatelslam]

Also we Muslims dont reject John the Baptist or Jesus

We say they are prophets of God so if they said something and propeshied that and its in the bible we dont reject that!

What we reject is what the Quran corrects in the bible

But because the book revealtion said something and we Muslims say yes thats correct like the second coming of Jesus ect we believe that but it doesnt make us christians.

We believe in whats authentiek and not manmade and that wich is aproved by the Quran.

[lnvestigatelslam]

Also Muhammad (saas) spoke about hunderds of things wich are know today

Mobile Phone Sky Scrapers Sex changes Satelites Tv EarthQaukes ect ect hunderds of things

And also the Quran speaks about wormholes spacetravel universe birth of a baby and many other things

So how can a dessert nomad know althis? if he never wrote or read a book? and al this happend 1400 years after his death?

Think!

[lnvestigatelslam]

Here are the links wich destroy the theory of luxenberg

w w w . islamic-awareness . org/Quran/Text/Mss/vowel.html

w w w . islamic-awareness . org/Quran/Text/luxreview1.html

w w w .islamic-awareness . org/Quran/Text/luxreview2.html

ww w . bismikaallahuma . org/search/luxenberg

remove the spaces

Take time to read and see how luxenberg tries to decieve people in rejecting Quran and being a christian same as robert morey did

[Ausaini17]

The bible was often written in parables using metaphoric language so as the Quran its imaginative language is not to be taken literally all the time. Second,Revelation is an account of what John is shown of events that to pass. There is proof that when suns die the grow in size and once the sun does it will swollow the Earth and it would appear to a viewer on Earth that the sun is falling into th Earth.

[lnvestigatelslam]

Again some parts of the Quran are parables

i dont disagree with that.

And also sometimes its not ment literally.

And also the Quran knows verses wich are revealed only for the Prophet (saas) and his followers at THERE time like Surah 9

But i disagree with the theory thats its a syriac book! wich is against history and Quran and the scholars from day one !

And about the sun well it wil srink it will not grow in size

And also it will be a white dwarf like the Quran said.

[Ausaini17]

Also, the Quran was originally written in Syriac when Arabic was in it infancy, as was it's writing system. In it's infancy the Quran was then put into Arabic. The language at the time was so new that translating from one language to another would've been difficult thereby making the translation not as reliable as the original. depending on how well the text was translated one sentence has been known to mean upwards to 30 different things. So the Quran is God's word but it's could've been change

[lnvestigatelslam]

The Quran is never written in syriac thats what a CHRISTIAN named Luxenberg tries to make you believe and according to majority of the oriantalist thats a wrong idea

and also this according to this theory the Muslims must not be Muslims but christians!

The Quran its self says many times thats its in Arabic

The transmitting of the Quran is ARABIC the Language of Muhammad (saas) is ARABIC

The writting according to the first manuscripts is ARABIC

there is never been found a...

[lnvestigatelslam]

a syriac manucsripts wich is the Quran

infact al the manuscripts even the one before hijra are written in ARABIC

According to luxenberg because some words come from syriac this means the Quran is a sryiac writting wich is false

coz syriac arabic and armaniac are semtic languages wich are sister langaugses

You have to read the destruction of this so called theory of this lebanish christian on

ww w . islamic-awareness . org

typ in search luxenberg

The Quran we have today is the..

[lnvestigatelslam]

is the same as in the time of Muhammad (saas)

The only thing thats added are the dots to make it more easy for people with a different arabic dialect to understand it

Its never been written in Syriac thats a lie wich is made up by one person and repeated by luxenberg

And Arabic was NOT a new language 1400 years ago! who told you that??

The arabic language toghter wit aramiac are 2 of the oldelst languages ever!

I geuss you have read the book of luxenberg about the grapes ect ?

[lnvestigatelslam]

Not only do historical facts and evidence refute the theory of the christian luxenberg not even the Quran it self does it

Even the old church people knew this they said Muhammad (saas) was a arabic prophet send to the arabs !

Before i post some verses of the Quran wich tell us that the Quran is revealed to a arabic prophet

The reason why luxenberg wrote this book is to tell Muslims that if they understood Quran they would convertt to christianit!

what kind of bs is that!

[lnvestigatelslam]

He bases his book on couple words wich are according to him syriac !

Well because one language contains words of the other doesnt mean the one is the other!

Dutch is not the same as Deutsh but they contains same words?

Same as french and arabic are not the same but they contain same words!

So this whole theory is based on nothing more then a disere of a lebansh christian with small knowledge of syriac language in trying to discredit the Quran !

Read the articles on the link !!

[lnvestigatelslam]

The Quraish accused Muhammad (saas) of being taught by a person

The Quran refutes this and said

[016:103] And surely, We know what they allege! That a man has taught him (Mohammed, SAW)! The language of the one they allude to, however, is not Arabic, while this (Quran) is in precise and perfect Arabic.

Here the Quran says ITS ARABIC !! not Syriac but PERFECT arabic!

[lnvestigatelslam]

The Quran keeps reminding the Quraish thats its in there language ! ARABIC

[026:195] It is in a plain and pristine Arabic language.

[026:198] Even if We had revealed this (Arabic Quran) upon a non-Arab,

[026:199] And even if that non-Arab was to recite it to them (in Arabic), they would still not believe.

The whole theory of luxenberg is based nothing

Even he himself can not proof his points !

NunIslamic Scholars refute him ! and history and evidence and Quran!

[lnvestigatelslam]

The Quran keeps reminding the Quraish thats its in there language ! ARABIC

[026:195] It is in a plain and pristine Arabic language.

[026:198] Even if We had revealed this (Arabic Quran) upon a non-Arab,

[026:199] And even if that non-Arab was to recite it to them (in Arabic), they would still not believe.

The whole theory of luxenberg is based nothing

Even he himself can not proof his points !

NunIslamic Scholars refute him ! and history and evidence and Quran!

[lnvestigatelslam]

The Problem with people like the christians luxenberg is that they have nothing against the Quran

They can not find any errors or even in the history of it

So there tactic is trying to corrupt evidence and even twist around historical facts trying to lure people away from Islam!

Same is done by robert morey and his "moongod" theory!

This guy filled a book with misqouted qoutes and even fabricated evidence!

but forgots that the Quran forbids moon/sun worship!

Its deception!

[Ausaini17]

There is no doubt that Christian _Potato is wrong in a lot of cases but what religious person is? People get so caught up with what one books said compared to another. Nitpicking over the smallest details that they completely forget that the whole point is you believe. Why does it matter that I pray different than you but believe in the same God? If it mattered then why would God make it so that everyone's different? So we can do the same exact thing?

[thief1122]

Even today there is more than one version of Quran in circulation. How did that happen?

Take a look at this Islamic website which admits that fact. Also notice how this site identifies that Muslims have been lied to by their scholars:

submission org/quran/warsh.html

Religion of lies. Even theology in Islam is deeply corrupted with lies.

[lnvestigatelslam]

The texts is still the same

Show me ONE QUran wich a differtn text not the reading.

Show me ONE Quran where there is a differtn text in the Quran !

There is none and wars is not a differnt text

ww w.islamic-awareness. org/Quran/Text/Qiraat/

Religion of truth

I know IT HURTS you inside it eats you up

you cant find anything instead you try to find corrupton by not knowing what you talk about!

hahahahah you make me laugh

warsh a differtn Quran AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[lnvestigatelslam]

Whuahahahaha Islamic Website?

the false rashid khalifa s website hahahahahahahahaa

But this is what your website says son

We agree with the scholarly understanding that none of the differences, whether vocal (vowel and diacritical points) or graphic (basic letter), between the transmission of Hafs and the transmission of Warsh has any great effect on the meaning.

LOL differtn wording but the meaning is the SAME! SAME TEXT hahahaha

LOSER!

[thief1122]

Quran apparently was not corrupted. O.K. Show me where is the original copy of Quran so that I can convince myself.

[lnvestigatelslam]

The orginal Quran is in the heart and mind of the Muslims

The Quran was there from day one it was revealed

Thats the difference between the Quran and any other book its memorized by millions so any mistake can be picked out easly

And also the copies of the Quran came from one orginal copy and thts the copy in the heart and mind of the Sahaba (ra) The wifes of the Prophet (saaws) and the Chalips

The Orginal Quran is the memory of billions !

ww w.islamic-awareness. org/Quran/Text/Mss/

[thief1122]

This is exactly what I have thought. When I ask Muslims to show me the original to prove that the book has not been corrupted, they end up dancing around this issue like little ninjas.

I do not understand why the most important book in Islam went missing.

[lnvestigatelslam]

The orginal is in Instanbull with the blood of Uthamn still on it.

And also its in the memory of milliosn and is NEVER been missed and recited every month of ramadan by millions of imams treu out the world

lol i know it hurts you inside that our book is memorized and still in its orginal form like its was revealed

and bwt check out the link and see it your self manuscripts and also the Quran from uthman in Instanbull

You dont understand a thing son and never will

[lnvestigatelslam]

And the because of the memorazstion by milliosn treu out the world no falsehood can come to it

Its like countring from 1-10 its memorized by millions but what if somebody ounts like 1-2-3-4-5-7-8-6-10-9

Millions will say that he is wrong and thats the miracle of the Quran

But if you are interseted in the orginal opy go to turkey and see it your self from in museam of istanbul

[lnvestigatelslam]

The Quran is memorized from the mouth of the Prophet (saaws) to Sahaba (ra) and thats how its be untill today

I can ask you to show me a orginal written text of the counting of 1 till 10

You cant but how do you know that you have to count from 1 till 10 with out sayin 6-4-7-9-10 why 4-5-6-7-8-9?

Because millions treu out history know this

same goes for the Quran

End of story

So show us one Quran written down where one verse is different from the other

[thief1122]

Where did you get the "millions" of memorizers from? During the time of pedophile Muhammad' death and 25 years later when Quran was finally finalized, the number of Muslims was not more than a few thousands. How do you extract true copy from Millions. Why couldn't Allah use paper instead of questionable memories?

The copy located in Turkish Museum was written at least 100 years after the pedophile's death. It also does not contain gramma used in today's versions. Someone added the gramma later

[lnvestigatelslam]

The hafizs of today are 9-12 million

And that 1400 years do the math stupid

The Quran is NEVER finalized 25 years after him instead its was less then 2 years by Umar and Abu Bakr and also the Quran was written down by the Sahabas from leather to bones

and it was compiled in one book 1-2 years after the death of the Propeht

The treu copy was recited by the Prophet every year of ramadan and memrozied by the thousands same as today

Paper? or humanmind wich is better?

[thief1122]

That is not true. During the time of Uthman, 4 differing copies of Quran were collected and compiled into one final version (without gramma).

BTW. If human memories were so good, then why did Allah requested that his Quran be finally written down on paper as a book? I Guess stupid Allah could not know the future. Only after the fact did he realized the need for paper copy.

There is a hadith that states that on the day Muhammad was buried, a domestic animal ate pages of quran. LOL

[lnvestigatelslam]

4 differtn dialects with the same texts

Check link AGAIN

ww w.islamic-awareness. org/Quran/MuhBible.html

Again you can insult thats your knowledge lol

The Quran is written down to be send treu out the world

Its meant for mankind treu out the world and best way to do that is by written part

easy thinking so who is stupid now?

The hadith speaks about "a"Quran being eaten but like i said destroy every Quran and we still have it like it was

So LOL

[thief1122]

We are not talking about dialects. We are talking about different readings. If pedophile Muhammad finalized quran during his lifetime then there would not be numerous versions. Pedo did not have use for quran after his death.

[lnvestigatelslam]

The different readings are explained here

ww w.islamic-awareness. org/Quran/Text/Qiraat/

Nothing speciale the Texts is till the same

And also the Prophet Muhammad (saaws) said the Quran is revealed in seven differtn readings.

And also the dialect is differtn because of the differtn tribes

But the TEXT is still the same

And you are blocked from Insulting the Final Prophet (saaws)

[lnvestigatelslam]

The differtn readings are not in contradiction with the meaning!

The Quran was finalized 1 year before his death

And also the Quran is recited in a different way even in the life of the Prophet Muhammad (saaws)

Allow me to give you some hadith wich will totlally bury your hatefull infidel satanic mind

You can insult him but you cant take his status of the Leader of Mankind

You will die one day and Islam and his name will be mentiond after your death hahahaha jokes on you!

[lnvestigatelslam]

Abû Qilaba narrated:

It has reached me that the Prophet(P) said: "The Qur'an was sent down according to seven ahruf: command and prohibition, encouragement of good and discouragement of evil, dialectic, narrative, and parable."[

So the Prophet Muhammad (saaws) know about the differtn readings

its you that is stupid cunt :)

[lnvestigatelslam]

And this is the different readings

For example, the phrase 'alayhim (on them) was read by some 'alayhumoo and the word siraat (path, bridge) was read as ziraat and mu'min (believer) as moomin.[

You see cunt same words differtn reading

Quran UNCORRUPTED from DAY one till today still the same !

[lnvestigatelslam]

And for your insults of the FInal Prophet(saaws) here some Uncorrupted Quranic Verses

006:005] Indeed, they have already rejected the truth when it came to them. Soon, the very event they used to mock will land upon them.

[006:010] Certainly, many messengers have been mocked before you, but those who made fun of them were surrounded and overwhelmed by the very thing they used to mock.

Keep mocking you dirty cunt

but your arse got REFUTED AND DESTROYED

LOSER

ALLAHUCKBAR!!

[lnvestigatelslam]

The Prophet Muhammad (saaws) Leader of Mankind and al The Prophets the Final Prophet The one who Allah loved and held high the one we salute everyday The One wich his name is mentiond every minute on earth!!

The one who is blessed with a Ummah of 1,4 billion strong

Al read know about the different readings in the Quran read it

Here are some hadiths wich will confirm this and destroy your disere and hate towards the Word of Your Creator Allah wih you will meet after death jus be patient

[lnvestigatelslam]

Muslim :: Book 4 : Hadith 1782

'Umar b. Khattab said: I heard Hisham b. Hakim b. Hizam reciting Surah al-Furqan in a style different from that in which I used to recite it, and in which Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had taught me to recite it. I was about to dispute with him (on this style) but I delayed till he had finished that (the recitation). Then I caught hold of his cloak and brought him to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said...

[lnvestigatelslam]

Messenger of Allah, I heard this man reciting Surah al-Furqan in a style different from the one in which you taught me to recite. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) told (me) to leave him alone and asked him to recite. He then recited in the style in which I beard him recite it. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) then said: Thus was it sent down. He then told me to recite and I recited it, and he said...

[lnvestigatelslam]

Thus was it sent down. The Qur'an was sent down in seven dialects. So recite what seems easy therefrom.

You see you silly cuntface :)

The different readings of the Quran are known by the Prophet Muhammad (saaws) The Leader of Mankind the one loved by billions

Different reading SAME MEANING!! hahahahaha

LOSER got refuted

so now be a good infidel and go cry that you are refuted lol

Hate Islam but it will be far after your ass is punished in the grave lets see who can help you !

[lnvestigatelslam]

And listen to this exchristian speak about the Quran being compiled

watch?v=EYwvgXOU1e4 PART 1

And btw you are blocked for your useless insults

Insults and mockery wont make Islam go away smartty pants

The only defence of a destroyed infidel is mockery and insults and laughing

but again lets see who laughs the last

[lnvestigatelslam]

Thats not treu its a copy from Uthams Quran and Utham didnt life 100 years after him

And if you call the Prophet a pedofile you need to check my rebuttla to one christian

and do it again and your blocked

insults are easy lol

And also words and meaning are the same but the texts is differtn it changes nothing to it

Words like fro example apple is still apple and not banana

Again the Memory of the Muslims contains the orginal copy for 1435 years now

thats a miracle

[lnvestigatelslam]

Check out this link

ww w.islamic-awareness. org/Quran/

Keep your insult to your self infidel mockery is easy thats your only defence after being refuted

So again bring one copy in any Masjid that contains a differtn text then the other

Thats easy or bring one imam who recite a different Quran then the other.

Simple thing lol

[lnvestigatelslam]

The Copy in the Turkish Museum is a copy from the copy of the Quran of Utham (ra)

Uthman lived with the Prophet (saaws) and he was the one who brought every part of written Quran toghter and they check it by reciting it the way they memorized it

And made copies and sedn treu out the world and today we have 3 copys from that Quran wich are the same as any Quran in the Masjid

And also the gramma is differnt but the TEXT is exactly the same as today

so start insulting hehehe

[lnvestigatelslam]

And about the millions of memorizers

wel do the math 1435 years of Quran rectition how many people did memorize the Quran treu out history?

MILLIONS!! Today we have 9-12 million people whon know it from verse till verse

The Quran is recited every month of ramadan by millions treu out history

Ask how many people did memorize the bible?

Zakir NAik and Ahmed Deedat lol muslims btw

So the logic is that the orginal Quran is like the counting of 1-10 in the mind and heart of the Muslims

[lnvestigatelslam]

you christians always bring up the age of Aisha and you are ignorant about the Judaic Law and your gods mother and stepdads age lol you can only mock in ignorance and thats your ONLY way trying to disproof Islam same as using lies and trickery!

Christianity is NOT in the bible!

the foundation of christiainity is not in the bible but in the roman PAGAN history of Mitraishm

Mary married 90 year old man and God having baby with 10 year old God?

God and stepdad of God are PEDOS? hahaha

[kiddo500]

Now that I solved the whole age thing, at the end of the day it makes you a hypocrite. Not the Christian.

Muhammad married a 6 year old...a six year old!!!! Not to say the least he had several wives on top of that. If you dont believe this is perverted then youre just proving that Islam is a cult. Because even Jim Jones convinced his believers into everything what he believed was right.

[lnvestigatelslam]

The Prophet had more wises same goes for David Moses Soloman and even Abraham ahd more then one wife! whats wrong with that?

hmm hypocrisie?

Islam is not a cult its a way of life

infact its christianity thats a cult they al follow something wich is NOT proven or said by Jesus wich is called christianity

Christianity is based on the divinty of Jesus but thats false but they keep following it with blind faith making it a cult

Islam is proven and easy nothing is left unexplained!

[lnvestigatelslam]

After i refuted you at the end of the day it makes you a blind follower of a roman pagan myth of a mangod coming out of a 10-12 year old girl :)

And also at the end the Prophet Moses in your bible is orderd to rape of 3 year old girls by your Mangod Jesus who you claim to be God

NO WHERE IN THE QURAN IS RAPE OR MURDER of kids allowed but the bible is full of it

And lets not speak about the porn and hate inside of it the genocide ect

at the end of the day you are the hypocrite and a pagan

[kiddo500]

wow. Muslims really believed the sun goes down under water. In the bible, its not literly meant. SOry but you prove nothing.

[lnvestigatelslam]

Nopes Muslims dont believe that not a single muslim

Infact the Quran says the sun got its own orbit in outer space called the Solar Apex

And in Surah 18 it speaks about the view of DhulQarnain

And in the bible its not literly ment?hahaha ofcourse not hahaha talking about double standerd hahaha

I prooved something that is that christians are lying hypocrites :)

[kiddo500]

thats cute brother. So its us that are the hypocrites, but not muhammad who supposoply preached in the name of Allah but persecuted people that decided not to follow his religion. And who married a 9 year old girl. Please, donteven forget the self proclaimed prophet also stated humen being were 60 feet tall and got shorter as time passed. Talking about errors in the Koran.

[lnvestigatelslam]

Muhammad (saaws) never persectuted people for there believe

Infact the Muslims took a stand against violence for 13 years and after running away to Medina the pagans followed them thats when the sword was picked up and its called self defence

And also the Quran says it clear in 2:256 and in Surah 9

And after the conqeust of Mecca everybody was free to believe what he wanted the truth stands clear from error

But the bible ALLOWS killing other followers of any religion! read this verses..

[lnvestigatelslam]

Deuteronomy 17:12 ,Exodus 22:19 ,2 Chronicles 15:12-13 ,Deuteronomy 13:13-19,Deuteronomy 13:7-12 ,Deuteronomy 17:2-5,Leviticus 24:10-16 ,Romans 1:24-32 ,Isaiah 14:21 ,Ezekiel 9:5-7,

Jeremiah 51:20-26,Leviticus 26:21-22,Isaiah 13:15-18

This is just a fraction of the baby woman old men killing in the name of God!

this was also a excuse of the christians even today to kill others who dont believe in there pagan trinity!!

thats a historcal fact!

[lnvestigatelslam]

The verses above proof that the bible allows killing of kids woman and old men!

the Muslim only fought there enemies on the battlefield! childeren and woman are INOCENT and its forbidden to even kill a tree let alone a child!

Thats why in Iraq the christians are dropping bombs on childeren and planting bombs in markets ect coz there bible says its OKAY !!

[lnvestigatelslam]

And about the 9 year old girl thing se was in puberty and thats allowed even in Judaism the so called religion of your mangod Jesus

read it your self,

Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Mary the mother of your mangod Jesus was only 12 years when se got Jesus!

but was married year before that with Jospeh he was 99 !! and se was 10-12!!!

Check it on newadvent . com the chatolic encyclopedia website!

again HYPOCRITES!!

[lnvestigatelslam]

And about Adam being 30 feet is not in the Quran !! liar!

Its in the hadith and btw this can be right or wrong its still hadith and it might be a mistake by the narretor or maybe its right

have you ever seen the stones of stonehenge? according to sceintist for a human to build this without modern equipment he most be 19-27 feet long but thats fiction that say so they can not explain it!

So it might be right or wrong but its NOT in the Quran!

But your bible speaks about unicorns and dragons

[kiddo500]

Mark 3:31,

"There came then his [i.e. Jesus'] brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.

32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

From this some people THEORIZE that Jesus' step-father Joseph had died and that he was being informed of this. Rather than weep for the death of this righteous man(compare Matt. 8:22

[kiddo500]

Jesus questions the role of parents and blood family, pointing out that true family is the family of God.Again, this is theory, but it might arguably suggest that Joseph was much older than Mary, by perhaps as much as 30 years or more.

[kiddo500]

IF this THEORY is correct, Mary would have been say 13 and Joseph around 43. AGAIN this is conjecture only. The Scriptures really just don't say much on this topic.

ps- I forgot to quote this.

[kiddo500]

"When you confront Muslims about the fact that Mohammad married a 6 year old girl, they cry "BUT MARY WAS ONLY 12!" It's a hilarious rebuttal. I don't see anything in the Bible that talks about Mary's age, but I do see where Mohammad asked a little girl many years away from puberty for her hand in marriage. Then it says she got sick and her hair fell out. Sounds like a bad omen to me!"

[kiddo500]

"Lets assume Mary was 12, and had undergone puberty. At least God waited until Mary was able to bear a child. Marvelous. Now let's compare that to a 53 year old man who solicits a 6 year old girl for marriage and then has sex with her when she was 9."

"I don't see how you can compare the two situations for the sake of justifying one man's lust. God did what he did to fulfill prophecy."

[kiddo500]

"Mohammad did what he did to satisfy his sexual desires."

[lnvestigatelslam]

Muhammad (saaws) was not a pervert in fact

He was called the walking Quran and he held fierce on the Law of the Quran and the Quran says,

[023:004] Who are active in deeds of charity;

[023:005] Who abstain from sex,

He married a old woman as his first and widows and old woman some dont even had teeth! his only virgin was Aisha wich was legitmate according to the culture and the Talmud btw.

[lnvestigatelslam]

Muhammad (saaws) did not marry Aisha (ra) for sex you ignorant fool!

if you want sex read your bible

He married here because she was the one who will remember his sunnah and his way of doing things

If he wanted he coud had hunderds of young girls but instead he married old woman widows and slave girls wich where set free by him!

Its not like the Prophets of the bible who rape 3 year old girls in the name of God! or take 3000 virgins captive for sex

get real idoit!

[lnvestigatelslam]

And also according to the hadith books se was encaged with a guy named Jobr ibn AlMotam before marrieng the Prophet (saaws)

So according to many scholars this means that se got engaced at age of 9 and married at age of 11

encaged the other guy? 5? or 3?

According to some se whas 7 and some she was 9 and some she was 9 and 11

So its still not the command of your God allowing rape of 3 year old girls :D or having a baby with a 11 year old girl

funny isint? or hypocirsie?

[lnvestigatelslam]

Lets take a look at the life of Moses the by using Jewish books and the bible and ofcourse commentary of the Scholars and see if marrieng 9-12 year old girls is something forbidden!

[lnvestigatelslam]

According to the OT God (jehova orderd the mass rape of young girls )

And keep in mind that this is the father of your mangod Jesus who allows this !

........Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"

According to jewish/christian scholars this girls where 3 years old!!

read it your self...

[lnvestigatelslam]

"....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations."

Kuhn 1959, §157, 652f. My translation. In general, proselytes are not allowed to marry into the priesthood.

Ibid., §157, footnote 86, 653.

[lnvestigatelslam]

This is btw confirmed by the Talmud!!

Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

So according to Judaism ist okay and they did it them self lol!

So who is the hypocrite here?

[lnvestigatelslam]

No thats not treu he was 90 and se was 10-12 years old.

You are right the manmade bible doesnt say athing about christianity :D

Infact the whole teaching of christianity is not to be found in the bible let alone the age of mary!!

The foundation of christianity namely the divinity of Jesus IS NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE it even contradicts christianity

You see thats fucked up not the culture of the arabs and jews marrieng young girls like the stepfather of your god married a 10-12 year old girl

[lnvestigatelslam]

According to ww w.newadvent. org/cathen/08504a.htm

He was 90 ! and se was 12 and maybe youner and se got Jesus at age of 11 !

So he was 78 years older !!!

[lnvestigatelslam]

I love how claim that Mark 3 is talking about the death of Jesus step father

btw God got a step father LMAO!

[Derdedag]

Watch this video: Zakir Naik: Challenged Part 154 A

[TriumphOfTruth]

cont. It is permitted. Then it will prostrate itself again but this prostration will not be accepted. The sun then says, "My Lord, where do You command me to rise, from where I set or from where I rose?" Allah will order the sun to return whence it has come and so the sun will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the statement of Allah in the Qur'an.'"

[TriumphOfTruth]

Bukhari:V4B54N421 "I walked hand in hand with the Prophet when the sun was about to set. We did not stop looking at it. The Prophet asked, 'Do you know where the sun goes at sunset?' I replied, 'Allah and His Apostle know better.' He said, 'It travels until it falls down and prostrates Itself underneath the Throne. The angels who are in charge of the sun prostrate themselves, also. The sun asks permission to rise again.

[easyonetwothree]

(And He has made the sun and the moon, both CONSTANTLY pursuing their courses, to be of service to you) (14:33) // WIch means that the sun never stops in a hole in the sea.. !

[easyonetwothree]

Include this in the info box: Ibn Mas`ud and Ibn `Abbas, may Allah be pleased with them, recited this Ayah as: (وَالشَّمْسُ تَجْرِي لَامُسْتَقَرَّ لَهَا) (And the sun runs with no fixed course for a term,)and they said: meaning that it has no destination and it does not settle in one place, rather it keeps moving night and day, never slowing down or stopping! // WICH MEANS THAT THE SUN NEVER ACTUALLY SETS.. Salaam akhi!

[easyonetwothree]

Note what he sai "and it does NOT SETTLE IN ONE PLACE"

[muslimconvert1122334]

But those who disbelieve, dispute with False Argument, in order to refute the truth thereby. And they treat My Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), and that with which they are warned, as jest and mockery! Quran:Kahf:56

[lnvestigatelslam]

Or this one..

3:7...then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah...

[muslimconvert1122334]

remember Allah warns us about the ways of these kuffar...

Quran :Hajj - And among mankind is he who disputes concerning Allâh, without knowledge, and follows every rebellious (disobedient to Allâh) Shaitân (devil) (devoid of every kind of good).

[am1984ine]

Man, how can such outstanding videos be NOT frequently watched by Muslim youtubers???? To the Muslim who made this vid;May Allah grant you Djenna.

[mbczsfhkpiyrw]

as usual 5 stars!

[LetsDebate]

Mashallah bro!

[calista48]

excellent work...i am a little offended by calling him christian potato, though.... i happen to like potatos very much. potato is too good for him.

[TrustInIslam]

JazakAllah khair bro. Nicely explained.

:D

[xiaahmad]

i think those dudes never went to beech

and see(with the naked eye)

[spiritlite]

SalaamAlaikum, MASHALLAH,JAZAKALLAH KHAIR.

[OurBestLife]

great Job Brother masha'ALLAH

[BeMyBro]

Ma sha'a Allah the Quran is so perfect and unique

[Asiaofegypt]

Allah Akbar