Israel does not need this system, it needs to go back to the stone age where they at least let their neighbours in the next cave live in peace. a wise man hizbolla fighter fighter says" even when the most modern equipment is used by IDF" his shit still smells the same when he runs (if he is not killed by us).
No problem. There's no point in wrangling over something so "international" that neither of us can control. In the end, we can only strive to be our brother's keeper and perform acts of loving-kindness. If we can't live in peace with our family or our neighbors, then we can move away, they can move away or we can live in conflict. Personally, I'd rather live in peace.
sure, but there are still many problems remaining, and as far they haven't been resolved, it's important to use Iron Dome with it's highly sophisticated technologies.
First, I was a great fan of MTHEL, too, but they have to develop it to a really effective standard, and now, we need the best system currently available, in Israel.
And MTHEL seemed to be too expensive, as I said allready.
here some possible countermeasures against MTHEL for you:
Reflective coatings which attempt to reflect a large proportion of the incident radiation which is incident upon the aimed projectiles. This would not necessarily reduce the absorbed incident radiation to such an extent that the projectile is not destroyed - but in combination with other types of countermeasure, reflective coatings would feasibly ensure that target kill is achieved despite the use of THEL.
Why don't just kill everybody else, for example all muslims?
I see you would like it, isn't it?
So why the hell do you live in the USA, and then you tell the Israelis,what to do. Come on, go to Israel and blow yourself up in Rafah, for example, you are on the same level as every dumb camelfucking terrorist...
Where I come from, we call people like you cowards.
And especially people with "arguments", like you have...
Oh yes, because I would prefer tohave at least one terror attack a weak in my country, so that everyone of my potential voters see tht I can't offer them security, instead oft telling some ultraorthidix rabbis how the world is running.
Tht's not only the words of a coward, that's the logic of an idiot, every child would see this.
Come on, wirte a book about conspiracies, you would make a million, I guess, but politically, you're totally incorrect.
Modification of projectile geometries to take into account the possibility that laser light radiation might be used to neutralize the projectiles. Such geometries might also be concomitant with the purpose of improving the aerodynamic properties of the projectile - thus ensuring that it can travel faster (and, conceivably, would thus be able to rely upon the increased convective dissipation which is associated with heat transfer between the air and the projectile).
Note: This includes the possibility of using projectile shapes which are NOT cylindrical. A different missile form would help to ensure that a minimum cross-section surface area is exposed to laser light.
As is the case in "hyper-planing torpedoes", which envelope the torpedo in a gaseous envelope so that they may travel at supersonic speeds underwater, it is also found that the use of similar (supersonic) gaseous envelopes around a missile would ensure that a sufficiently cool gas will carry away proportion of the incident radiation energy which is incident upon the missile by both convective and diffusive effects (ie: partial reflection,
partial expansion upon being heated by the laser radiation and partial convection due to the temperature increase, though the latter two could arguably be considered as being of similar affect).
This would thus also have the effect of a countermeasure to the THEL system. The enveloping gas/substance can be modified so as to consist of fine droplets which carry away a significant proportion of incident radiation and heat on the projectile as they are
vaporised (provided, of course, they are chosen so as to absorb the heat radiation corresponding to the frequency of the incident radiation). Note, the larger the gaseous diameter around a cylindrical projectile (measured in terms of its cross section), the disproportionately larger the amount of incident radiation required by the THEL laser to destroy the projectile (consider the volume of the envelope and the highest level of heat dissipation which this corresponds to).
An oscillating or chaotic trajectory (one which is difficult to predict, but which will still ensure that the target is killed) will increase the difficulties in the use of the THEL system due to guidance. If guided into windy or turbulent environments, such a chaotic trajectory would also ensure that there more of a turbulent gaseous flow around the missile (though this
In a similar vein to the above, a rotating missile will halve the effective area over which the radiation is incident, yet another countermeasure technique or method. This occurs as it is assumed that there would only be one direction from which the THEL radiation would be incident but this technique has a countermeasure affect even when there are multiple THEL laser radiation sources pointed at the same projectile
attempt to avoid too much heat causing guidance system malfunction or propellant autoignition within the THEL countermeasure projectile. However, in the case of HRCLs, internal capillaries/coolant mechanisms can be built quite simply into a projective design (consider wrapping the exterior of the projectile in a series of hollow air-pipes which allow air to flow parallel to the fast-moving projectile, but in a manner which does not impede air flow around the projectile -
but in a manner which does not impede air flow around the projectile - perhaps even aided via the use of a simple internal refrigeration system). Of course the notion of using an internal refrigeration mechanism within a small projectile system is, a priori, not something which seems sensible (though it might very well be economically feasible in the realms of missile design).
However, the use of a 'disposable' interior to a THEL type system would ensure that excessively large amounts of heat which are generated due to incident radiation on the missile could be dissipated via the use of 'fall away' layers
such as occurs with the NASA space shuttle as it re-enters the earth's atmosphere (within this type of a design, what occurs is that ceramic heat blocks at the base of the shuttle become red to white hot and are designed to fall off the shuttle, carrying away excess heat with them as they fall this is clearly a heat dissipation strategy which could be applied as a countermeasure to the THEL type system, and, due to the way in which the heat blocks dissipate large quantities
of heat, this method could be applied to artillery as only a thin heat dissipation based ceramic layer would be required for the purposes of carrying away incident heat energy).
Advanced warheads can be protected against almost any atmospheric laser system; but such measures prove increasingly difficult to integrate. As stated above, the intended targets of this missile system will be small, low cost, and low tech devices like shells and improvised rockets.
"(Iron Dome's) interceptors will cost vastly more than the very low-tech homemade Qassam rockets from Gaza and multiple-launch rocket mortars from Southern Lebanon."
"50,000 rocket projectiles are currently targeted at the Jewish state... Even if Iron Dome works perfectly, it is never going to have the firepower in interceptors to credibly intercept most, let alone all, of that ordnance." UPI 12 March 2009.
Each interceptor costs $3,500-$5,000. MTHEL costs $3,000 per kill.
If you would like to notice, I'm not taking about money...
But ok, now let me ask you sth.
How do you imagine that???
Iron Dome is fully developed and tested, while the MTHEL programe was cancelled a decade ago, so how should Israel restart this programe, regarding the development costs as well as the necessary time, which we don't have, with repsect to our current situation???
The MTHEL is bullshit, guy, and the US army stopped the financial support.
In addition, it's not only very expensive but not mobile enough and, furthermore, everytime you use it, more and more Hydrogen fluoride get in the air.
So it's not possible to use it in highly populated area.
IO really don't understand what you're talking about, in 2010 Israel will be capable to line it's borders ith Iron Dome, which is more effective and far less expensive...
Well, at least it's a fact that there are various countermeasures against MTHEL, which would make it quite sneseless, and furthermore, what does this have to do with the Trophy active protection system, which is the best of it'S kind, btw...?
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Israel does not need this system, it needs to go back to the stone age where they at least let their neighbours in the next cave live in peace. a wise man hizbolla fighter fighter says" even when the most modern equipment is used by IDF" his shit still smells the same when he runs (if he is not killed by us).
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codej0 2 years ago
says the one who wants to deport all palestinians...
Gu, so I finish my discours with you, as you can only drive in a cicle I learned to brake out off....
no offense
shalom
-Rain Man
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
No problem. There's no point in wrangling over something so "international" that neither of us can control. In the end, we can only strive to be our brother's keeper and perform acts of loving-kindness. If we can't live in peace with our family or our neighbors, then we can move away, they can move away or we can live in conflict. Personally, I'd rather live in peace.
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sure, but there are still many problems remaining, and as far they haven't been resolved, it's important to use Iron Dome with it's highly sophisticated technologies.
First, I was a great fan of MTHEL, too, but they have to develop it to a really effective standard, and now, we need the best system currently available, in Israel.
And MTHEL seemed to be too expensive, as I said allready.
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codej0 2 years ago
here some possible countermeasures against MTHEL for you:
Reflective coatings which attempt to reflect a large proportion of the incident radiation which is incident upon the aimed projectiles. This would not necessarily reduce the absorbed incident radiation to such an extent that the projectile is not destroyed - but in combination with other types of countermeasure, reflective coatings would feasibly ensure that target kill is achieved despite the use of THEL.
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
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codej0 2 years ago
Why don't just kill everybody else, for example all muslims?
I see you would like it, isn't it?
So why the hell do you live in the USA, and then you tell the Israelis,what to do. Come on, go to Israel and blow yourself up in Rafah, for example, you are on the same level as every dumb camelfucking terrorist...
Where I come from, we call people like you cowards.
And especially people with "arguments", like you have...
"deport them", and that from a Jew...
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
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codej0 2 years ago
Oh yes, because I would prefer tohave at least one terror attack a weak in my country, so that everyone of my potential voters see tht I can't offer them security, instead oft telling some ultraorthidix rabbis how the world is running.
Tht's not only the words of a coward, that's the logic of an idiot, every child would see this.
Come on, wirte a book about conspiracies, you would make a million, I guess, but politically, you're totally incorrect.
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
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codej0 2 years ago
Modification of projectile geometries to take into account the possibility that laser light radiation might be used to neutralize the projectiles. Such geometries might also be concomitant with the purpose of improving the aerodynamic properties of the projectile - thus ensuring that it can travel faster (and, conceivably, would thus be able to rely upon the increased convective dissipation which is associated with heat transfer between the air and the projectile).
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
Note: This includes the possibility of using projectile shapes which are NOT cylindrical. A different missile form would help to ensure that a minimum cross-section surface area is exposed to laser light.
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
As is the case in "hyper-planing torpedoes", which envelope the torpedo in a gaseous envelope so that they may travel at supersonic speeds underwater, it is also found that the use of similar (supersonic) gaseous envelopes around a missile would ensure that a sufficiently cool gas will carry away proportion of the incident radiation energy which is incident upon the missile by both convective and diffusive effects (ie: partial reflection,
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
partial expansion upon being heated by the laser radiation and partial convection due to the temperature increase, though the latter two could arguably be considered as being of similar affect).
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
This would thus also have the effect of a countermeasure to the THEL system. The enveloping gas/substance can be modified so as to consist of fine droplets which carry away a significant proportion of incident radiation and heat on the projectile as they are
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
vaporised (provided, of course, they are chosen so as to absorb the heat radiation corresponding to the frequency of the incident radiation). Note, the larger the gaseous diameter around a cylindrical projectile (measured in terms of its cross section), the disproportionately larger the amount of incident radiation required by the THEL laser to destroy the projectile (consider the volume of the envelope and the highest level of heat dissipation which this corresponds to).
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
An oscillating or chaotic trajectory (one which is difficult to predict, but which will still ensure that the target is killed) will increase the difficulties in the use of the THEL system due to guidance. If guided into windy or turbulent environments, such a chaotic trajectory would also ensure that there more of a turbulent gaseous flow around the missile (though this
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
would be due to the nature movement of air due to the fast moving missile rather than any specifically designed affect as in the case of 3).
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
In a similar vein to the above, a rotating missile will halve the effective area over which the radiation is incident, yet another countermeasure technique or method. This occurs as it is assumed that there would only be one direction from which the THEL radiation would be incident but this technique has a countermeasure affect even when there are multiple THEL laser radiation sources pointed at the same projectile
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
(assuming that there is some outer boundary area of the missile upon which no laser radiation is incident).
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
Heat Resistant Coating Layers (HRCLs). These are similar to the use of a reflective coating in the sense that coating layers
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
attempt to avoid too much heat causing guidance system malfunction or propellant autoignition within the THEL countermeasure projectile. However, in the case of HRCLs, internal capillaries/coolant mechanisms can be built quite simply into a projective design (consider wrapping the exterior of the projectile in a series of hollow air-pipes which allow air to flow parallel to the fast-moving projectile, but in a manner which does not impede air flow around the projectile -
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
but in a manner which does not impede air flow around the projectile - perhaps even aided via the use of a simple internal refrigeration system). Of course the notion of using an internal refrigeration mechanism within a small projectile system is, a priori, not something which seems sensible (though it might very well be economically feasible in the realms of missile design).
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
However, the use of a 'disposable' interior to a THEL type system would ensure that excessively large amounts of heat which are generated due to incident radiation on the missile could be dissipated via the use of 'fall away' layers
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
such as occurs with the NASA space shuttle as it re-enters the earth's atmosphere (within this type of a design, what occurs is that ceramic heat blocks at the base of the shuttle become red to white hot and are designed to fall off the shuttle, carrying away excess heat with them as they fall this is clearly a heat dissipation strategy which could be applied as a countermeasure to the THEL type system, and, due to the way in which the heat blocks dissipate large quantities
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
of heat, this method could be applied to artillery as only a thin heat dissipation based ceramic layer would be required for the purposes of carrying away incident heat energy).
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
Advanced warheads can be protected against almost any atmospheric laser system; but such measures prove increasingly difficult to integrate. As stated above, the intended targets of this missile system will be small, low cost, and low tech devices like shells and improvised rockets.
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
you should better read this, before you start your awkward cospiracies...
And furthermore, don't forget the Hydrogen fluoride which would harm the own population, as I told you before
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
But I think we both aren't in the positions wheree we could really have the information to decide which one would be the best, now.
And that laser will be one of hte weapons of future and allready of today, is out of question.
But in Israel, we don't have so much money, hell, what have you thought...
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
"(Iron Dome's) interceptors will cost vastly more than the very low-tech homemade Qassam rockets from Gaza and multiple-launch rocket mortars from Southern Lebanon."
"50,000 rocket projectiles are currently targeted at the Jewish state... Even if Iron Dome works perfectly, it is never going to have the firepower in interceptors to credibly intercept most, let alone all, of that ordnance." UPI 12 March 2009.
Each interceptor costs $3,500-$5,000. MTHEL costs $3,000 per kill.
codej0 2 years ago
If you would like to notice, I'm not taking about money...
But ok, now let me ask you sth.
How do you imagine that???
Iron Dome is fully developed and tested, while the MTHEL programe was cancelled a decade ago, so how should Israel restart this programe, regarding the development costs as well as the necessary time, which we don't have, with repsect to our current situation???
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
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codej0 2 years ago
The MTHEL is bullshit, guy, and the US army stopped the financial support.
In addition, it's not only very expensive but not mobile enough and, furthermore, everytime you use it, more and more Hydrogen fluoride get in the air.
So it's not possible to use it in highly populated area.
IO really don't understand what you're talking about, in 2010 Israel will be capable to line it's borders ith Iron Dome, which is more effective and far less expensive...
shalom
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago
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codej0 2 years ago
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codej0 2 years ago
Well, at least it's a fact that there are various countermeasures against MTHEL, which would make it quite sneseless, and furthermore, what does this have to do with the Trophy active protection system, which is the best of it'S kind, btw...?
bittersweeteenspirit 2 years ago